veteran-class

[sharp ember]

do NOT remove my suppression node i need that for my meme suppression brauto

[serene sage]

We need the filler

Some nodes can die

I think the top filler can die

[bitter turtle]

also mid tree takes an entry pt to get to the keystone

because they kept born leader

[serene sage]

Born Leader can die

[bitter turtle]

so delete it

its only fair

[serene sage]

Suppression can die

[sharp ember]

NEVER

[serene sage]

Ogryn highlights can die

[wanton dawn]

Ammo reserve can die

[delicate moat]

Dead Leader

[serene sage]

Fuck ammo reserve

[wanton dawn]

Unborn follower

[serene sage]

I'd let it die so Born follower can die

[bitter turtle]

you know what

delete everything

[sharp ember]

they can merge suppression into one ultra node but that's the only compromise i'll give

[bitter turtle]

revert back to pre-skill tree

[topaz lance]

Over my dead body

[serene sage]

Yeah give us 30 mag bolter back

And Unwavering Focus

And 2% ammo regen

How did we go from 2% to 1% lol

And Survivalist is somehow still strongest despite 50% nerf

[topaz lance]

They could also convert some parts of the tree into a "twinned blast" situation to make it easier to get to the bottom.

No need to remove or merge anything this way

Easy.

[midnight patrol]

Bolt rifle or?

[urban steppe]

its bolter yes , if you about it

[urban steppe]

im always choose right side

more usefull

dont need to change there anything

[midnight patrol]

I don't have pics on my phone. But I made a few bolt rifle designs myself lol

It's a vibe

[bitter turtle]

knife is fun

can kill crushers

dogshit at hordes though

[wanton dawn]

🦌 🔫😢

[midnight patrol]

Catachan series of swords can be kinda funni to use

[brazen cradle]

You think guys I can do a rp navis imperialis with lasgun pistol ?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1012394614625423360/1176490628733997067/r3z563x9gkw41.png?ex=656f0f48&is=655c9a48&hm=46144f28b51196d7ab3d9388b8aed4a51e35e2d9d8879561c0c52da30237c3fd&

[gleaming turtle]

Las Pistol was pretty damn strong last patch, not sure now

[brazen cradle]

I want the boarding lasgun

[midnight patrol]

It's still pretty strong

[brazen cradle]

I want to do something like commissar but with a navis imperialis outfit

[midnight patrol]

It's arguably a better recon las now lol

[brazen cradle]

It's good in support ?

[wanton dawn]

That kinda is a low bar though

But yeah, is good

[brazen cradle]

I want play support lasgun pistol ?

[wanton dawn]

Though i don't think any lasgun are bonker strong right now. There is plasma, then revolver, then quite a gap imo

Though this is mostly cuz of elite density making plasma cleave invaluable

[brazen cradle]

Okay because I just want roleplay navis imperialis support with lasgun pistol ahah

[wanton dawn]

Like always: bunch of diehard fan. Rare in auric still

[midnight patrol]

It's actually a very good frontline precision capable combat pistol.

[topaz lance]

Columnus IAG slap too.

[midnight patrol]

You can be surprisingly aggressive. With the ability to still pull off one or two Tao headshots across rooms on weaker shooters

[brazen cradle]

Okay thanks I start a new vet ahah female this one

With a navis imperialis back story

[gusty bison]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aac2440-a88a-44ee-ba0d-4ddb7faab115/all-the-toughness

This build is silly fun

[midnight patrol]

I dare say the laspistol benefits from left tree keystone more than most

[gusty bison]

Its called ur team is at 100% toughness at all times. The only health damage I took was from facetanking a poxburster to get an ally out of a net, a sniper missing an ally and hitting me, and... thats it

[midnight patrol]

It allows you to one or two tap headshot at typical lasgun ranges

But you have the typical damage falloff of bullet guns

[umbral scaffold]

CANT SEE NAY OF THE PERKS

caps

[gusty bison]

Helbore

[tender pasture]

shock maul when

[gusty bison]

Its just the tree thats important

Use with a plasma gun

[midnight patrol]

So a proper navy marine soldier? Or an actual ship NCO/sailor?

[wanton dawn]

Same opinion

[brazen cradle]

Navy marine

good in boarding mission

[wanton dawn]

Lasgun lacks in cleave, and cleave is a big deal this patch

[fathom edge]

babe wake up, its farming for power cycler 4 time

[brazen cradle]

With short range

[midnight patrol]

Ahhh Navy Marine is good then

Also laspitol has cleave lol

[astral blade]

helbore 2 is the best one correct?

[midnight patrol]

All the lasguns except the mkIV have cleave

You shoot the laspitol at head level into horde and you clear as well as recon Las spam

[astral blade]

out of all the helbore's

[brazen cradle]

@midnight patrol I want the boarding lascarabine in game lol

[wanton dawn]

You shoot at horde now ? Isnt my point

[junior grail]

Honestly all helbores are great, its just up to preference

[wanton dawn]

Elite spam in group of 5+ this patch

[urban steppe]

show me later but what i can say blue version looks more good

[midnight patrol]

Well you asked about cleave, they have cleave. But only against soft targets

[astral blade]

i mean i'm using the full auto mod

[wanton dawn]

I did not ask though

[gusty bison]

Ngl i dont get that many elite collats

[midnight patrol]

Flak and Carapace stop cleave from all the lasguns

[gusty bison]

Usually its at most 2-3

And i can shoot a helbore twice per plasma shot

[midnight patrol]

Looks like a nice lmg looking build too

[junior grail]

I may want to turn off the Charged Attacks option. Helbores benefit GREATLY from Surgical

[wanton dawn]

I see 6+ shotgunner regularly in my kill feed

[midnight patrol]

Shame we don't have any good, punchy high accuracy high nagazine autoguns

[wanton dawn]

And not even talking about maniac

[gusty bison]

Ngl i have never gotten more than 4 shotgunners in 1 plasma shot

They spread out too much

[wanton dawn]

I got 6 with revolver a few times

[midnight patrol]

Shotgunners flank around a lot

Unless you shoot them straight out of spawn or in their patrol pattern squads

[gusty bison]

The only one that I regularly get 2+ collat in is ragers

[gusty bison]

Even in patrol pattern u need to be lucly

[midnight patrol]

Also I keep getting scolded by my friends for running plasma lol

[gusty bison]

If thet are patrolling perpendicular to you ya only getting 2-3

[junior grail]

Whats wrong with plasma

[midnight patrol]

They want me to take out the shooters 20 to 30 meters scattered around the room

[junior grail]

Do we need to beat someone up?

[gusty bison]

Melee time!

[midnight patrol]

Not go unga on the specials in the middle for alme reason

[gusty bison]

Ngl for regular dudes i just melee

[topaz lance]

With revolver I often get 2 shotties, ragers or gunners

[astral blade]

is the helbore 2 a good middle ground being charge speed and dps?

[haughty summit]

best blessings on plasma gun?

[gusty bison]

Helbore 2 is literally the fastest charger

[wanton dawn]

In any case, the point about cleave is about elite density. Not hordz

More bang for your bucks goes a long way

Plus plasma got terrific stagger if it doesnt kill outright

[gusty bison]

1 is the middle ground

3 is the slow one

[topaz lance]

The HHs should have more pen for sure.

[delicate moat]

i won a AM just to immediately fail a normal damnation

[gusty bison]

Eh its also about rof

[fathom edge]

another 3 transcendant PSs, another 3 oranges with no PC4

:(

[midnight patrol]

The mk7 has none at all. Idk why it doesnt

[gusty bison]

If i can send two helbore shots downrange for every plasma shot

If my plasma is only killing 2 per shot, then it isnt beating the helbore

[wanton dawn]

Plasma got better agility than hb at mid and close range 🤷

[topaz lance]

To provide the Ogryn a comfortable back massage. But yeah it really should cleave at least through one shooter

[gusty bison]

Tbf helbore is one of the most agile guns

Sooo

Yea plasma is the creme la crem

For agility

But its not like helbore is bad at agility

[midnight patrol]

Helbore is definitely more flexible

You can pop individual shooters within feeling too bad lol

[gusty bison]

Dodges and dodge distance dont really matter on a gun

What matters is how much sway u get on a dodge

[wanton dawn]

I think you meant least

[gusty bison]

Nah most

Easily one of the best guns to shoot while in melee

[wanton dawn]

Hb is one of the least agile gun what

[gusty bison]

It has one of the best sway patterns on dodge and jump and movement

Combined with near perfect precision while maneuvering

Dodge count and dodge distance doesnt matter

Sway does

[wanton dawn]

One of the worst swap, terrible hipfire

[gusty bison]

It has a bayo and u dont hipfire

Why the fuck r u hipfiring a helbore

[brave verge]

you think I can get away with the shit reload speed by going Weapon Specialist and Always Prepared?

[gusty bison]

Just ads and dodge weave the crowd

[brave verge]

its 3 kills for 1 bullet

10 for 2

[midnight patrol]

I could only get the bayo to work on the asshole AI director spawning one or two poxes behind me when I'm doing marksman work lol

[wanton dawn]

You cant, thats the point

[gusty bison]

Helbore literally being able to pinpoint snipe a sniper 40m away while ur being attackrd by 3 ragers is something very few guns can do

[gusty bison]

Lol helbore is literally one of three guns that can do this

[junior grail]

Hipfiring a helbore? Huh?

[delicate estuary]

any of the infantry lasguns, headhunter guns, plasma, revolver 🤔

[gusty bison]

Infantry las cannot

[delicate estuary]

since when

[gusty bison]

It actually is horrible at that

Infantry las has one of the worst sways on dodges for a gun

So since always

[delicate estuary]

just shoot at the end of your dodge

very simple solution

[gusty bison]

It has a long reset

Thats the problem

The time it takes for an infantry las to return to neutral is terrible

[wanton dawn]

Calling hb agile to me is like calling bolter agile

[gusty bison]

And is one of the big weaknesses of the gun

[gusty bison]

Bolter has bad sway on dodge

[junior grail]

How long may I ask

[gusty bison]

So its not agile

[delicate estuary]

it is agile if you press exe stance

[gusty bison]

I never measured but its easily double the helbore

If not more

Helbore u can snap a shot off in your 0.2s dodge grace period

[delicate estuary]

the problem here is the context

if you have 3 ragers on your ass

[gusty bison]

Inf las cannot

[delicate estuary]

sniping a sniper

is not a priority

[gusty bison]

I mean it kinda is

[delicate estuary]

no

you just respect the sniper

kill the ragers

and move on

[gusty bison]

If u can dodge weave the ragers killing the sniper first gets pressure off the team

[delicate estuary]

trying to go for hero shots is pointless

[gusty bison]

Cos the ragers arent a major threat yet

[delicate estuary]

how are they not a threat

[astral blade]

brick or salvageable?

[gusty bison]

Thats the thing about the helbore.

Being in melee in a rager doesnt requure you to immediately deal with them

[gusty bison]

Because you can just avoid their attacks

While still shooting

[wanton dawn]

Hb is not better than half the gun cast at dealing with sniper anyway

[delicate estuary]

you can also just kill them with your melee which would alleviate more pressure than the sniper

[gusty bison]

Slower and not really

[astral blade]

brick or salvageable?

[gusty bison]

On an infantry lasgun yes, go kill the ragers

Because that shot cannot be made

On a helbore take the shot

[junior grail]

Hmmmm... brick

[delicate estuary]

you mean you cannot make it

[gusty bison]

Salvageable

[wanton dawn]

Best anti snipe is prob revolver due to quickswap being an option

[brave verge]

official petition to obesefish to add a clanging sound to the prosthetic leg skin when running

[delicate estuary]

either way regardless of weapon choice the 3 ragers take priority over the sniper

[midnight patrol]

.. Okay that I have to conced.

[delicate estuary]

if team doesnt realise you have ragers on you

then its unlucky

[gusty bison]

No because the time taken to reset dodge sway is longer than your dodge grace period.

So ur shot is snapping off at a weird 5 degree angle

[junior grail]

It won't be your best helbore but if you got none other then use it

[midnight patrol]

Only the Vraks mk7 can match the revolver in the ability of quickswap and just shooting a sniper in his bloody toes and he dies

[astral blade]

its the only one that i was able to get that was close to 370 rating

[junior needle]

3/4 bricked but onslaught is good

[junior grail]

Stick to it for now then

[delicate estuary]

I can click exe stance and instantly have it be a laser guided missile on that snipers forehead if I really need it

but regardless of weapon choice

[midnight patrol]

Actually come close is more accurate. It can't match a revolver

[gusty bison]

Swap groaner damage for maniac swap falter for surgical

[delicate estuary]

ragers are the priority over the sniper

[junior needle]

Oh I just saw the stats too, yeah that's not a great one

[gusty bison]

That requires exec stance

Helbore doesnt need it

[delicate estuary]

then why do you need to dodge the ragers

you have shout

[gusty bison]

Because I can

Because I dont need to pop it yet

[midnight patrol]

I would be more worried about the ragers than the sniper.

[junior grail]

Does bayonet stagger ragers?

[gusty bison]

If they cant hit you they arent a threat

[gusty bison]

Yes

[junior grail]

Neat

[delicate estuary]

we are both biased people so it doesnt matter

[gusty bison]

You can chain stagger a rager to death

With hb bayo

[midnight patrol]

.. well

[gusty bison]

And it kills pretty quickly too

[midnight patrol]

The damage the bayo does is about the same as the shovel poke

[gusty bison]

No. Way more

Way. WAY more

[midnight patrol]

On headshots?

[gusty bison]

Yes

[delicate estuary]

also why were the ragers allowed to get close in the first place with a HB btw

and shout

and nades

[junior grail]

I know you can one or two shot most grunts with bayonet now

[gusty bison]

Because with HB you wanna play aggressive and forwards

[delicate estuary]

shout and nades

[gusty bison]

Shout i reserve for when i take a hit

[delicate estuary]

bruh

[gusty bison]

Or when an ally takes a hit

[delicate estuary]

you hate group toughness and staggering everything for the team off a 10 second cooldown

or what

[gusty bison]

I only pop it when its needrd

[delicate estuary]

yea which is every 10 seconds

[gusty bison]

Ergo when an ally gets hit

The first hit is free

[junior grail]

Depends how much you like your teammates too hahaha

[delicate estuary]

it doesnt matter

whether you like them or not

you can spam it every 10 seconds

[midnight hare]

With shout I pop that shit at first contact, by the time we're in the shit it's back up, low af cr

[gusty bison]

I find that its better to pop after they take a hit than pre spam it

Except vs burster spam

[delicate estuary]

if you prespam it

they dont take a hit

cause its overtoughness

that regens

[gusty bison]

Until they take a hit that is 100% tou damage

[delicate estuary]

thats the entire point about shout

[gusty bison]

Then are open again

[delicate estuary]

means you didnt spam it enough

[gusty bison]

Sir.

Fire does not care about ur toughness amount

[junior grail]

One issue with prespam I find, is some teammates overrely and develop bad habits just soaking damage instead of dodging

[delicate estuary]

fire and taking a hit

is 2 different concepts

[gusty bison]

Fire is a type of taking a hit

[delicate estuary]

so you only pop shout when their toughness pops

which is silly either way

cause if you keep it up they never get their toughness popped

[midnight hare]

Shout while in fire to save you that one tick if you're low or just pop shout asap as soon as you're out of the fire

[gusty bison]

No i pop shout when their toughness drops

Could break

Could be a 50% hit

[midnight hare]

That leaves more to user error on your end

[gusty bison]

Doesng matter

[delicate estuary]

true

the stagger anything you want

[gusty bison]

But its more efficient

[delicate estuary]

does not matter

6 crushers coming your way

I will wait for the overhead

[gusty bison]

I use a shovel and a HB

So yea

The stagger is whatever

[delicate estuary]

yes

true

[gusty bison]

I literally already have stagger in spades

[delicate estuary]

so you use shout in a selfish way but you prioritise the sniper cause it puts pressure on your team

instead of shouting the ragers into submission

so your team wipes them

and you can deal with the sniper in peace

[gusty bison]

I mean I dont need peace to deal with the sniper

Its a helbore

Thats the beauty of the gun

[midnight hare]

You can shout while lining a shot up. Multi-task. If you can't get a shot, respect the sniper and deal with the ragers

[gusty bison]

Thing with the hb is I dont need to burn shout immediately in that situation

[delicate estuary]

Like I siad earlier completely biased argumentation line

[gusty bison]

I can. But i dont have to

[delicate estuary]

dont see a point

[junior grail]

If you catch a Sniper in melee, go full disrespect and push him to death

[delicate estuary]

like saying that shout stagger

is whatever

is just

[midnight hare]

Shout stagger is amazing lol

[gusty bison]

I mean I literally can push a button to stagger a crusher out of their overhead

[delicate estuary]

you could but you have your spade and hellbore for that

[midnight patrol]

I learnt to use shout stagger to save everyone's HP bars from the ragers lmao

[delicate estuary]

thats how it should be used

[gusty bison]

Aye ye if I see an ally getting mauled by ragers i pop shout

I dont pop shout if the ragers are going for me

[delicate estuary]

there is no need to minmax an ability that has a 10 second cooldown

[midnight patrol]

Toughness and three seconds to murder the ragers as they slowly wake up? Sublime

Honestly I use it before they get into contact range

Then ping them so the psyker or Oggy can turn and do their thing

Three seconds is enough in my voicecom squads

[midnight hare]

Shout to boost DMG if you have that talent, add a cushion to everyone's toughness, and create space.

And it's spammable as all hell

[grand sable]

should I just swap the perks and keep the blessings

[junior needle]

Surgical is too good to pass up on the 7

[midnight patrol]

Swap no respite for surgical

[junior needle]

Flak/maniac should do you fine

[midnight patrol]

The stat rolls are okay on the mk7

[delicate estuary]

pretty good roll

no respite to surgical and ranged crit damage to maniac

[midnight patrol]

Can always be better, but yeah it's workable

[grand sable]

cool

[delicate estuary]

its good

always be better is a miniscule percentage damage increase

xd

[midnight patrol]

This roll spoilt me lol

[delicate estuary]

could always be better

[grand sable]

[delicate estuary]

20% flak and only t3 deadly accurate

also

unarmoured enemies ?

just for dreg gunners ?

[midnight patrol]

This was an older roll before I found out maniac helped a lot

You can save one or two shots

Which is a massive TTK difference for the mk7

Now it has maniac and its a lot more reliable in dropping mutants and ragers before they even get into melee contact

[delicate estuary]

mutants ragers are one thing

[midnight hare]

So Flak and Maniac is what you're mainly looking for in Vet ranged weapons in general or?

[delicate estuary]

but trappers and flamers

[patent valley]

@river marten I heard from someone that u claim that fire stacks from infernus procs brittleness from onslaught on vet tree, does it work with kantrael shotgun dragons breath?

[delicate estuary]

depends on weapon but on average yes

[midnight hare]

Bet, ty

[midnight patrol]

Oddly enough, trappers and framers are quite easy to headshot

Their run cycles leave their heads quite open

[delicate estuary]

I dont always account for perfect gameplay xd

I might meme about headshots and just get good

but I value consistency

[grand sable]

kantrael shotgun's special apparently also applies brittleness from the thunder hammer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ylSJcD6ECk 9:27

[midnight patrol]

The most dangerous enemies that actively try to close the distance use those armor types

[midnight patrol]

Oh for sure, you can save a full on headshot or body shot with maniac

[delicate estuary]

then we should all run infested

💀

[midnight patrol]

Thankfully most guns do very well against infested as it is lol

[grand sable]

*when you swap back to the th after applying fire

[delicate estuary]

go into the psychanium and check the armor types of all the elites and specials

and you will have the answer

as to why

[midnight patrol]

Mutants taking 10 Vraks mk7 body shots

[grand sable]

this'll do

thank

[peak plinth]

can the brittleness from exploit weakness and onslaught stack and reset there debuff timer

[delicate estuary]

dunno I been getting weird stuff with my mk12

like one shot headshots on muties

[midnight patrol]

Mk12 has a massive bonus on maniacs

So I'm really not surprised there

Especially if you tap them at 15 meters plus

[delicate estuary]

I just took the 10% rending node on marksman focus and I can do like 500-600 per headshot on crushers

per crit headshot

[midnight patrol]

Before you hit that really painful reverse damage fallof

[midnight patrol]

Similar numbers to the mk7 with rhe same build

.. Wait the mk7 might do better

[delicate estuary]

same weapons honestly just different damage on armour types

[midnight patrol]

I was getting 700 ish without any rending

[delicate estuary]

ye autoguns have innate better armor pen no ?

well "armor pen"

you know what I mean

lower ammo pool but better damage on armour types

or at least thats how it has felt for me whenever I use them

[tame swan]

so change to flak/maniac + surgical/deadly accurate?

[midnight patrol]

Against flak and don't suffer reverse damage falloff

[delicate estuary]

yea been wanting to try a bunch of guns

but plasteel man

it doesnt grow on trees

[midnight patrol]

So they don't degrade at point blank, and get compensated by all the ranged passives Vet gets

So you get the gun behaving reliably from 6 to 60 meters.

[delicate estuary]

what do you mean by this btw

[midnight patrol]

Mhmm! Also the IX is a good gun

[midnight patrol]

All infantry lasguns have this weird damage laoof mechanic where they do far less damage to armour types up close than they do at range

Vet has no passives that increase close damage reliably

So you get straight up Weaker when you fire your gun as close range

Boolet guns don't have that weird damage mechanic

[delicate estuary]

how easy is it to test this

[frank ledge]

Conclusion, use hh

[delicate estuary]

just go into psychanium

and go close and far and tap

[midnight patrol]

It's a very classic, full damage up close and tapers off at range

[midnight patrol]

Some folk just vibe better with the infantry lasguns, and that's completely okay

You use the gun that works best with you

[frank ledge]

Brauto

[midnight patrol]

If someone wants to use their Helbore for dodge sniping, again all the power to them lol

[frank ledge]

I mean Helbore is not that bad as a melee weapon

[midnight patrol]

Seen some people make those work surpringly well too, so again, if you can make it work I got no complaints

[whole moon]

I was playing with the mk2 and the melee charge, it's both insane how good it is and how much fun it is. Shame the 3 has a different melee

[midnight patrol]

What's the difference between the mk1 and mk2?

The former seems to have better base stats

[midnight patrol]

Lol hello there

[nimble sentinel]

GENERAL KENOB— sup

[nimble sentinel]

2 fires and charges faster, 1 hits more for each shot but afaik 2 technically has better dps

[midnight patrol]

The fact that the 2 charges faster might make or break it for me

Although the higher base damage on the 1 is very enticing for reaching cheap breakpoints.. Hm..

[astral blade]

sooo gave the helbore 1 a try

its a good gun but it defs requires me to be very passive

[midnight patrol]

The switch time is very painful yeah

[flint garden]

who designed these sights

[astral blade]

you mean the iron sights on the guns?

[strange grove]

all nonlasguns should have the same holo sight

[trim hemlock]

I wouldn’t want that, I like my iron sights

[astral blade]

my guy if you are pc xbox i'd advice doing mods if you're console well i pity you

[midnight patrol]

Helbore use gutter sights. Which are originally a gunsight for point shooting under 20 feet lmao.

Idk who at FS thought gutter sights are okay for a sniper rifle of a lasgun.

[delicate estuary]

I just wish they would add a basic system for adding sights and flashlights to weapons

we already played the game in a beta state for a year

I couldnt care less if it was half baked as long as it worked

[strange grove]

not to mention you have to fondle your helbore before you can even use it everytime you equip it

[delicate estuary]

yea you have to turn on your gun first

[astral blade]

heh fondle the helbore

[nimble sentinel]

To be fair it is battery operated

[hollow turtle]

Wondering if I should change that sprint efficiency to something else.

I mean.. Gunners are fricking deadly.. so maybe that.

[late dock]

Has exhilterating takedown been fixed?

[delicate estuary]

yes

[trim hemlock]

Supposedly yes

[trim hemlock]

I’d be fine with having Sprint eff., but you do you

At least 1 Gunner property is always right

[midnight patrol]

Our Veteran has religious level of gun safety training

[bronze atlas]

Its insane all the barriers in place to keep hellbores (3s at least) from feeling good

[astral blade]

this may sound kinda silly but i like sprint efficiency

[hollow turtle]

I have 2 sniper and 1 gunner property. I was thinking about increasing it even more.

All right. I'll keep it.

[midnight patrol]

No no I build for it too lol

Its very important for high mobility deadshot builds

[trim hemlock]

Sorry, what barriers?

[astral blade]

tbh its handy for us invis vets it is

[midnight patrol]

You save so much stamina with sprint mods

[bronze atlas]

"Heres a rifle but it's even less wieldy than using a bolter but you also cant hose with it and also the sights are bad"

[astral blade]

sprint mods?

do tell me more

[hollow turtle]

Probably means nodes

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/booo-gif-25966356

[hollow turtle]

Lol.

Hey. I'm not the one who misunderstood.

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-25423213

[bronze atlas]

Hellbore doesnt need to do everything but it's really hampered in the role its designed for by taking forever to draw and being unpleasant to aim

[trim hemlock]

IDK what people have against Helbro sights really

You can mitigate the swap with Exec Stance - it’s not a gun that you can just pull out and is immediately ready to shoot - that’s not the intention it’s been designed with

[gleaming adder]

I only agree with the part where your vet seems to take a 5 day vacation everytime they draw out the helbore

[astral blade]

mods my friend mods

[dusk idol]

confirmed yes

[astral blade]

auto fire mod solves the fire rate issue on helbore

[nimble sentinel]

The sights are pretty bad but not unusable, it was my fav gun when executioner stance still gave toughness damage resistance

[trim hemlock]

It literally kind of doesn’t matter - it’s not a gun that you have to constantly shoot with, as you typically place your shots. Does FA even work with Helbro in any way?

[bronze atlas]

Draw speed is the most problematic issue by far, especially on higher difficulties

[nimble sentinel]

You can “cancel” the draw by reloading the moment you swap, no time wasted on getting a full mag

[trim hemlock]

It’s not, if you play around it. If you don’t, just pick another gun.

[nimble sentinel]

(Yea i know it isn’t really an animation cancel)

[astral blade]

Yes it does

[bronze atlas]

"Hmm yes i will use a gun that takes longer to bring to bear than a bolter in damnation"

[trim hemlock]

Bolter has a swap delay too, and I use it constantly in Damnation. Why does this matter?

[bronze atlas]

"Surely no situation will arise in which a snapshot would be valuable"

[nimble sentinel]

grab shock trooper and you have infinite ammo on a carapace piercing sniper rifle that comes with a serviceable bayonet, there are worse choices

just gotta be smart on when you take it out

[dusk idol]

what if you're not smart

[sturdy crow]

Swap speed is incredibly important when choosing a gun

[nimble sentinel]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046914161923334214

[bronze atlas]

The problem is the right time to take it out is "nearly never" if you're actually using your melee

[trim hemlock]

Consider this: do you really need to constantly run around with your melee. If you anticipate a skirmish, why not swap to the gun in advance?

[bronze atlas]

Consider this: you are fighting a wall of walkers with someone else and snipers spawn

[nimble sentinel]

you can always shoot the incoming horde and bayonet the surviving stragglers since you have INFINITE AMMO

[whole moon]

playing Devils Advocate, there arent many levels where knowing that in advance wont make a melee bottleneck more effectivve, quicker per mob kill rate, less ammo used and for many melee weapons toughness regen baked in

[trim hemlock]

Your team can handle the melee, maybe, if you trust them. You can anticipate threats or remove them proactively - pick a spot, camp it, try not to get hit, pull out melee if you really need to defend yourself

[nimble sentinel]

also executioners stance, hellbore comes out instantly ready to rock and roll

[bronze atlas]

If i have most guns suited to killing snipers i can kill them and get back to melee in about 1 second, a hellbore its more like 4

[north raptor]

there's a TON of guns and weapons. is there some guide in an obvious place that breaks them down?

[bronze atlas]

Did they re-add this? it wasn't there when the skill update launched and they gave it to ogryn

[whole moon]

the Ogryn chat has the Ogrynomicon in pinned messages, none of the other classes have made an equivalent I'm aware of

[dusk idol]

that was auto reload

[bronze atlas]

I remember popping exe and doing the animation, and losing time to it, huh

[trim hemlock]

And I can’t reasonably discuss while considering every situation a reject can be in. If one picks the Helbro, one has to account for the consequences. If they don’t, they suffer.

[nimble sentinel]

we should make our own Infantryman's Primer tbh, get the biggest brains here to collaborate

[north raptor]

thatd help bc you cant even test these guns without ordo dockets and you cant know if you have the appropriate roll for them to base an opinion on

and theyre named so similarly

[whole moon]

at least the Mk1 and 2 have a great melee fallback on the hellbore, you can stay in gunmode and still stab away

[north raptor]

pay a streamer maybe

xD

[trim hemlock]

That’s a good point, actually, I forgot that the bayonet attacks were buffed

[white minnow]

if you're in the middle of your swapping animation and you pop exec's stance, then you'll still be stuck in the swapping animation

[trim hemlock]

SO, defending you sorry bum without pulling out your melee is also somewhat easier than it used to be

[white minnow]

if you're holding another weapon and you press F, you'll insta-swap

it's a weird quirk

[bronze atlas]

I've been using shout mostly anyway

[nimble sentinel]

https://youtu.be/43j87Wkp0DE?si=HRS1szHqgzX34IhP

least based Hellbore user in Aegis Station

[bronze atlas]

Bonus toughness is cracked

[white minnow]

besides the overshield, the stagger and complete toughness refill is very nice

[trim hemlock]

IMO pairing shout and Helbro is asking for trouble, but you win some, you lose some.

[bronze atlas]

And i mostly play vet now when i want to play power sword

I don't pair shout and hellbore lol

[delicate moat]

weapon specialist helbore lets go

[bronze atlas]

I run an mg12 or a plasma depending on how i feel

[nimble sentinel]

I feel knocking everyone in front of you on their ass would pair well with the draw speed

[trim hemlock]

It’s an observation, not an assumption, but given that you have been typing about Helbro for the past couple of minutes I assumed you might have wanted to justify bringing it along with VoC

If that’s not the case, then shame on me

[trim hemlock]

Hm. Does WS attack speed buff speed up the charge time, I wonder?

[bronze atlas]

Exe does feel a little weird on hellbore 3 though since you don't really need its damage buffs to hit breakpoints and im not good enough to retime my charges based on if its active

So its more for pulling it out and highlighting?

[trim hemlock]

It’s still a wall hack. It’s still a potential damage boost against bosses or Carapace/Unyielding health type breeds (ragers/maulers too, probably)

[whole moon]

does it still have that weird bug where it fails to register the next click sometimes after a shot?

[bronze atlas]

I think they fixed that? Haven't been playing it much super recently

[whole moon]

same

[bronze atlas]

The new thing i get is kickbacks only pretending to fire

Plays the anim but spends no ammo, and i think it suppresses which is weird but i could be wrong

[midnight patrol]

The sprint reduction perks on the curios and the innate 20% sprint reduction in the tree

Sprint like you had a knife with your rifle out

[whole moon]

Now I've been using that fairly heavily recently and I cant recall experiencing that one. I seem to be lucky wrt to a lot of the issues though

[midnight patrol]

Can make a difference when you're keeping up with your headless zealots

[astral blade]

Awww and here I thought you meant like actual sprint mods

[whole moon]

you try to keep up w em? I generally let em get into bother, go down and then if they die outright before I get to em they have some time to reflect lol

[midnight patrol]

Nah lol

[midnight patrol]

You running lucky bullet?

[bronze atlas]

Idk the ogryn chat says its the current version of an ongoing issue with animation cancels

[midnight patrol]

Lucky bullet can trigger with the Kickback

Can lead to some really funny double barrel shotgun moments

[bronze atlas]

I definitely am not shooting for real

[midnight patrol]

Where you fire two shells instantly

[midnight patrol]

Ahhh right.

[bronze atlas]

No hamburger is being made

[midnight hare]

Had the same issue with the Kickback

Not running lucky bullet either. Animation plays out, no ammo spent, didn't actually fire but still suppresses

[bronze atlas]

Apparently it's caused by anything that cancels animations, and it did used to shoot a real free shell

They "fixed" your shots getting cancelled halfway and not consuming ammo by making the whole shot fake

Idk what kind of jank ass constraint keeps them from tying the ammo decrement to creating the hitscan zone

[whole moon]

so if its an animation cancel do you remember getting thwacked by a mauler or crusher cos I'm not sure much else is gonna stagger you w a single hit

[versed merlin]

for headshot, which one is better on vet vraks or shotguns?

[whole moon]

Theres no point in the Determined talent if you have Grenade Tinkerer? Or did they patch that out?

[midnight patrol]

Vraks mk7

[versed merlin]

ty

[midnight patrol]

Agripanaa shotgun can be built around the same builds too amusingly enough

[bronze atlas]

If your toughness breaks, or you start to sprint a little too quick, things of that nature

[versed merlin]

i just dont like the revolver gimmick else i would go with that

[tight dragon]

what blessings/perks do people take on bolter? was considering replacing pinning with cavalcade or go flak/unyielding

[midnight patrol]

The agri shotgun is the closest to those advanced long range shells and sports shotguns we have IRL

[bronze atlas]

Its probably been sprinting for me

[whole moon]

Some run surgical to give more variation to it

[strange grove]

Wow first game of the morning, some dude calling everyone *ags, always dying, I ask him to play lower difficulties and everyone calls me toxic...........

[versed merlin]

ohh kk thats nice to know

[hollow turtle]

Okay seriously, no joke. I'm about to switch to smokes because wtf.

[midnight hare]

Slugs

[midnight hare]

That's actually funny lmao

[whole moon]

report the lot and let the devs sort em out haha

[strange grove]

he even did the whole 'won't enter the elevator at the end bit'

thats a first

[midnight patrol]

Even the pellets are incredibly tight shooting

[bronze atlas]

I usually don't get chronic diers that's rare

Worst i get is trees usually

Sounds like he was a tree too though

[midnight patrol]

Only thing that holds the agri shotgun back is if you're the only Vet, you can get overwhelmed by the sheer number of shooters and specials everyone is begging you to murderize

Very tedious combat loop of shooting reloading and shooting and reloading

[crude wind]

I used to love the shotguns but I've really started to go off them these days

[bronze atlas]

That's a problem for a lot of guns unfortunately

[crude wind]

can't find a build with Lawbringer that I like

[midnight patrol]

But the ranged burst damage of the Agri shotgun is nothing to sneeze at

[topaz lance]

nothing gimmicky about the revolver. It's just strong.

[bronze atlas]

If you don't have one of the big mag workhorse guns, team play is real important for ranged defense

[midnight patrol]

You can drop sprinting ragers with two to three shells at pure body shots, one second ish TTK

If you land a headshot it's one to the head on a crit lol

[versed merlin]

yeah ik its headshot dmg is comparable to a plasma gun

[topaz lance]

I tried with the slug one, it just isn't the same.

[bronze atlas]

Revolver's biggest strength is just how fast you can snapshot

The only reason i don't use it on vet is its the only real gun i use on zealot

[midnight patrol]

I do wonder if manstopper giving massive cleave would allow the Agri pellets to railgun through multiple suckers.

I forgot to test it yesterday.

[whole moon]

I used the Agri shotty to get that accuracy penance, I've tried using the Lawbringer w a crit zealot build and I've tried using the Kant and it's fire shells.
I haven't been able to feel the love for any of em sadly

[topaz lance]

Agri shotgun was my main weapon in the time before trees.

[midnight patrol]

It works a bit better with left tree now

You can now reliably use pellets to headshot at rifle ranges lmao

[midnight hare]

I've been feeling Commando vet with Kant

[bronze atlas]

The kant is interesting and the fire is surprisingly useful vs hordes but the lawbringer is pretty sad

[midnight patrol]

Lawbringer really shines with scattershot and flechette with the special rounds

Discount Kickback on light infantry hordes

[bronze atlas]

Kickback is unbelievably based

[midnight patrol]

I haven't seen anything not a plasma gun make so much gore with one shot..

[whole moon]

You see this is my build and I'm just not feeling it.
In fairness, along w the Kant I may just need more trigger time w it

[midnight patrol]

It's kinda gross lmao

[bronze atlas]

Surgical charged now im ready to kill a sniper from 100 meters

[grand sable]

truly the emperor's gift of all time

[midnight patrol]

You need to keep your mag topped off and also run deadshot and the 10% more crit chance with a the top part of the magazine

I can reach crit numbers in the high 700's with it

[bronze atlas]

Yooo

Speedload on laspistol is so funny

[whole moon]

I'll try n remember when I'm next at pc, thanks

[bronze atlas]

The reload anim is like 2 seconds and gives you maybe 30 shots

[grand sable]

time to put on reload talents

[midnight patrol]

I keep getting scolded by my regular darktide friends for doing horde clear better than they can lmao

"You're a Vet shoot the specials and shooters reeeee"

[hollow turtle]

All right. I'm about to puke. I'm pretty sure my screen did not shake like this when firing before.
Even looking at recently uploaded Youtube videos of other people firing a Lasgun IA, and their screen does not shake like this.
Did I toggle something? Getting karking motion sickness.

[midnight patrol]

Holy mother of wounds

[hollow turtle]

Lol that's a mod for psyk/solo play. Don't worry about it.

[bronze atlas]

Honestly i rarely feel like shooters are a problem while im in melee but they're real mean in shooting gallery type areas

[forest maple]

Can't decide between deathspitter/fire frenzy/sustained fire. Anyone got any ideas?

[midnight patrol]

Carnival amphitheater

No other place I've seen more randoms die to 4+ gunner and sniper firing squads

[bronze atlas]

Carnival has several nasty shooter zones

[midnight patrol]

Hell even the normal shooters cut down newbs

[bronze atlas]

Gunners and snipers are always dangerous i was talking about shooters specifically

[whole moon]

Don't stress about it, you can change between them endlessly looking at your icons, try each out n see what u prefer

[hollow turtle]

Going to switch to vanilla real quick to confrim my suspicion.

[midnight patrol]

Carnival has some long streets full of mist too

And shooters happily spot and fire on you through it

[forest maple]

I've been running all three but i can't tell an obvious difference

how close is close range again? 8-10m?

[bronze atlas]

Carnival does have the great value ventilation purge going on i hate it

[midnight patrol]

8 meters if some of the others here are to be believed

[midnight patrol]

Yeah lol

[whole moon]

Yeah I think, that's IF that skills is actually accurate for it. E.g. DumDum apparently says close but doesn't actually care

[midnight patrol]

It's the one map where I've had surprising success with Ex Stance on Heresy and Damnation

[bronze atlas]

They shortened close range again iirc its really bad iirc? Like 5.5

[forest maple]

Hmm sustained fire might be the way to go

[bronze atlas]

Someone test it

[forest maple]

dumdum doesnt say close range?

oh no it does

weird

[gusty bison]

Vent purge carnival is something else

[whole moon]

Not weird... Fatshark 😉

[midnight patrol]

The one time I tried it I was on my assail disrupt destiny gunker

[strange grove]

lol a lvl 17 on hi int damnation

[midnight patrol]

The literally perfect class for it lmao

[dusk idol]

try a left/middle tree build with the lawbringer and bring full bore and no respite on it

[gusty bison]

Literally getting banged through the mist xD

[bronze atlas]

Fatshark maintain accurate tooltips challenge (impossible)

[dusk idol]

it won't be any revolver or plasma, but it will feel far more useful rather than just for chaff hordes

[bronze atlas]

"Make rending and brittleness different but switch the names around half the time"

[midnight patrol]

Don't sleep on the special shells for the lawbringer!

[dusk idol]

the flechette scattershot build isn't bad, but it starts to slide into kantrael territory with a less impressive primary shot

[nimble sentinel]

Lawbringer is the horizontal spread right?

[midnight patrol]

I tried the flame shells with bleed. I was missing the sheer 15 meter wide spread the lawbringer had lol

[dusk idol]

full bore no respite takes advantage of the extremely tight grouping and makes medium to long range feel pretty surprisingly good

[midnight mortar]

It's 8m the last time the lua was posted here.

[midnight patrol]

The Kant will drill an endless hole through that more circular column though

[dusk idol]

that it will

[midnight patrol]

The Agri shotgun likes full bore better

[nimble sentinel]

Ballin. I’ve been trying the slug shotty with a stealth build, ended up taking plasma in the end for the reliability. How do the other shotguns compare?

[dusk idol]

yes, it does, however lawbringer still uses it pretty great at close to medium distances

[midnight patrol]

.. Does also make it with a flechette build one of the most powerful boss DPS weapons you can bring.

Getting 50k damage from the front of a beast of nurgle lmao

Not including the 10k more in bleed

[dusk idol]

on a stealth build i'm not too certain, shotguns can pump out a very surprising dps number on bosses and other targets though

i'm at a 2 shot bp on reapers, 3 on bulwarks and 1 for most specials and elites outside of maulers and ragers

also, this

though, i don't actually bring exec stance in my games for the shotty

[midnight patrol]

I recommend VoC for the breathing room and survivability it affords

It's the perfect weapon for taking out a full squad of ragers you shouted onto their asses in a single mag

[nimble sentinel]

Fkin love VoC for all my builds though this is an attempt at getting gud with the whole vet kit

[midnight patrol]

Well, shotguns still work very well with stealth build too

Gives you time to reload manually if you're not running a funny right tree keystone build

[dusk idol]

personally, i do love the ability of loading shells in one at a time, especially when i just need that 1 more shell to take out a trapper - just top 'er up and blast em

the downside is that the full reload can take a while, especially in tight situations where you might need a lot of rounds

[midnight patrol]

I use my shotguns kinda like how competition shooters do, shoot one or three targets, reload

Few seconds before next contact? Reload

[dusk idol]

yeah, top it up as you go

you can even do it while ragers are charging at you, a good center mass shot knocks them on their ass

[midnight patrol]

Yush

[dusk idol]

gives you time to breathe and load in a shell or two

[midnight patrol]

Can have a very John Wick tactical shooting vibe when you get your grove

[dusk idol]

it is stylish

i think they're in a good place honestly, the shotguns

they're useful and don't feel overtuned

[peak plinth]

stopping power on a plasma good or na ?

[dusk idol]

it is good

affects your dmg modifers to armour types

[peak plinth]

wait what ?

[dusk idol]

stopping power affects your dmg % values to different armour types at ranges

[midnight mortar]

Inspect the weapon in your inventory.

Press V.

Hover over stat bars.

[midnight patrol]

I still wish Ex Stance fully topped off your magazine like it used to do

[dusk idol]

i would be okay without it if exec stance gave us a little dr

[midnight patrol]

Misses the glory days!

[dusk idol]

exec stance with 15% dr or 20% toughness dr and i would genuinely consider it alongside voc

[midnight patrol]

No flinch when taking damage would go with a bit of DR yeah

[midnight patrol]

I'm reminded that the Krieg RPing Vets I've come across are.. Not actually very good at their job lol

Least number of melee, ranged or specialist kills when compared to PS, plasma or headhunter equipped Vets

[wet moon]

[dusk idol]

it's because they're bayonet charging the monstros

[merry oak]

Just need more time with thier helbores to cook.

[midnight patrol]

They try to snipe with the helbores from what I noticed

[dusk idol]

nicely done

[midnight patrol]

And it severely reduces their killing speed

[dusk idol]

i tried being a krieg rper

[merry oak]

I've killed a few like that funniest shit

[dusk idol]

it made me realise i hate the hellbores

[strange grove]

how hard is this? Never done it

[dusk idol]

not that they're unusuable weapons

i just don't like them personally

[merry oak]

They aren't for everyone yea

[dusk idol]

pretty doable

[strange grove]

with randoms?

[dusk idol]

your mileage will vary

[merry oak]

I slap mine with a macro and hold the trigger on hordes

[strange grove]

joining a mission in progress, off to a great start

[wet moon]

(probably hi int) shock troop with weak bosses and flashlights will either be a nightmare or rlly fun

[dusk idol]

i think maelstrom is already histg

[sharp ember]

does monstro modifier still throw full-strength bosses at you 50% of the time

[merry oak]

I find MK3 users are the most agregious

[dusk idol]

so it's histg with more specials and more bosses

but you shouldn't struggle too much with a good team

[wet moon]

not that ive seen no, the full health ones just spawn kinda when they normally would

[dusk idol]

you get like 1 or 2 now, like in a normal auric

[sharp ember]

oh thank god

[merry oak]

Weaked ones are like half health not that it would matter if you have krak grenades

[dusk idol]

i don't even think it's like half hp

it's like ~10k

two ogryns and a half ogryns worth of hp

[merry oak]

Chaos spawn survived two of my kraken grenades so just above 10k

[wet moon]

had this happen

[sharp ember]

doing an interrogator objective and being attacked by a full chaos spawn and a weakened chaos spawn pair + horde was impossibly hard

[merry oak]

Shoot harder

[dusk idol]

the double spawn monstros are lovely

[placid portal]

krak epidemic have surged in the traitor legion since their upheval in the Carnival district

[merry oak]

Well yea have you seen the amount of scabs lol

[placid portal]

ye

[merry oak]

Prime krak territory

[wet moon]

focus target bolter builds:

[placid portal]

With those new stims are the only way to combat the krak addiction

[wet moon]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-shoot-guns-blazing-gif-23911535

[placid portal]

Boltgun slaps nice

vs Crusher imo it's kinda mixed bag

[merry oak]

My opinion of the boltgun in this game is still low, they take too much ammo.

[wet moon]

pre stacking pinning helps

[dusk idol]

you know, if they buffed the bolter even more

i wouldn't be complaining

[placid portal]

how to buff boltgun moar

more ammo?

[dusk idol]

just give it that little power boost so it can reach 700dmg per shot

[wet moon]

i hate THIS NODE right here

[merry oak]

5 more rounds in the magaxine and 3 more reloads and the bolt gun is golden

[wet moon]

without it i coukd get 25% ammo

[placid portal]

[merry oak]

The boltgun is already strong enough

Just needs more ammo

[placid portal]

5 more rounds sounds nice imo

[wet moon]

i could get it but id need to drop regen nades :c

[dusk idol]

i want the heretics to quake in fear of the sheer power of the boltgun

[placid portal]

they do

[dusk idol]

quake more

shit yourself more

[placid portal]

makes it harder to shoot cowering enemies

[merry oak]

New enemy, heavy bolter gun emplacement

[placid portal]

bc they crouch or lean downwards

[dusk idol]

jesus christ i would love a new enemy type

[placid portal]

That would be a nice mix of enemies

[merry oak]

Heretic weapon crews lol

[dusk idol]

when was chaos spawn released?

[placid portal]

yes

[merry oak]

Couple months ago now

[placid portal]

Like since Rejects unite?

[merry oak]

Yea

[dusk idol]

ugh

[placid portal]

or even longer ago

[merry oak]

Just around

[placid portal]

maybe they should add underhive gangs as enemies

[dusk idol]

they'd probably just reskin whatever they have now if they did that

[placid portal]

Ye fair point

Maybe more infested enemies

[dusk idol]

nurglings

[merry oak]

Cybermastiffs as a new boss

Hehehe

[midnight patrol]

.. Hmmm. Okay this could work

[placid portal]

one thing I find odd is how Boltgun's damage is abyssmal vs Infested

[midnight patrol]

Max power helbore is a literal railgun

Basically a laser revolver shot

[merry oak]

On macro my shots pen 2 enemies

[wet moon]

poopoo bayonet move tho :c

[placid portal]

I call Lucius patterns the Musket equivolent

[placid portal]

Big oof only cope with brutal momentum

[merry oak]

The laster Kar 98k literally

[placid portal]

no

Laser Black Bess

[versed merlin]

what blessing should i pair an power sword with power cycle?

ideally i would be using it as my all arounder weapon

[dusk idol]

sunder, brutal momentum or rampage/slaughterer

[midnight patrol]

A Columnus Vet and Gunker love each other very much..

[merry oak]

Inb4 they as Las muskets (yes an actual thing)

[dusk idol]

up to you really

[wet moon]

slaughter

[placid portal]

Kinda feels like it regardless

[versed merlin]

kk going to take a look at those, thanks vet frens

[wet moon]

i run a columnus weapons specialist vet w knife and it feels amazing

[placid portal]

Rampage is still bugged right?

[wet moon]

i just shit around w stealth and raking fire

[dusk idol]

yeah it is

[placid portal]

zamn

[arctic hull]

Holy shit

[placid portal]

nice

[dusk idol]

holy shit it's michael b jordan

[wet moon]

[dusk idol]

i loved you in basketball

[placid portal]

Now we pray for the hadron clowning fest

Lucius mk1 & 2 bayonet is kinda insane

Literally a Pseudo-melee weapon vs single target

[midnight patrol]

"Praise the Omnisiah!"

Shits out a brick from her synth-flesh bussy

[untold mulch]

.........

[placid portal]

[untold mulch]

Why is that the first thing I read at changing channels

[wet moon]

my best attempt at a heavy bolter

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/btas-batman-damn-bro-got-the-whole-squad-laughing-two-face-penguin-gif-3115247229411585733

[arctic hull]

Yeah man im the goat

[midnight patrol]

.. Huh. I didn't know the plugin had that stock as an option. Is it only for the bolter?

[wet moon]

its the recon lasgun one. Mk 2

also made an M16

and an attempt at an MP5 for a RE Hunk build. ehhh.

[mental parcel]

wooo 1k hours

[wicked niche]

is exhilerating takedown still bugged?

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/my-descent-into-madness-is-complete-madness-going-insane-insanity-mental-gif-22579930

[placid portal]

finally fixed

[nimble sentinel]

nope

[placid portal]

since yesterday

[wicked niche]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-praise-gif-25000256

[placid portal]

Still probs useful for guns that can chain headshot kill reliably

Also the Kill Confirm Toughness regen is no joke

luv me Kill Confirm

[jolly hemlock]

how important is stability on a laspistol?

[placid portal]

Laspistol?

🤔

[midnight mortar]

If Vet didn't have all these fucking tax nodes, I could get confirmed kill too and finally have some decent toughness regen.

[sharp ember]

laspistol is basically recoilless to begin with

[jolly hemlock]

yea sorry typo

[sharp ember]

should be useable

[placid portal]

No I was jus thinking

[jolly hemlock]

kk

the stats and perk aint bad

to upgrade

[placid portal]

Given how much taxes vet pays at this rate vet mains prob do tax evasion

[nimble sentinel]

not so loud, the Adeptus Administorum is listening

[placid portal]

Screw em karkers we above the lex now since we're in Grendell's Warband

[nimble sentinel]

https://youtu.be/FATpoRUnoaU?si=du0JbC0FOi0Kc_5w

[placid portal]

god I hate how after investing into keystones I only have 5 points left to spare for anything else

[sour elbow]

I know that feel. I want to help team mates and give covering fire. :<

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/grenade-damko-free-bird-grenade-free-bird-meme-grenade-free-bird-gif-2990660250078728870

this is your solution

[wet moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1127111483264864336/1176791825147760640/ezgif.com-gif-maker_1.gif?ex=657027ca&is=655db2ca&hm=d13e5956111555f21e1442dbb4a99f901bf2ff1f42aebb7c32235c87b8e88eed&

[nimble sentinel]

MISSISSIPPI QUEEN!

[sour elbow]

yeah, but that doesn't give toughness and a damage bonus

[placid portal]

Brutal

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-sunny-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-it's-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-devito-gif-6070683544899901781

[covert beacon]

Got these two bolters, which one are we saying is the better one here?

[wet moon]

first one absolutely, can use volley adept for reload. put pinning and unyielding dmg on it

[placid portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174682244594552924/lus.png?width=1257&height=436

[nimble sentinel]

I mean, not entirely non-credible

[placid portal]

This kind of configuration will delete your forarm, your eyes, and your eardrum

the bullet probably sticks out at the end of it

[midnight mortar]

Sawed off Helbore - CQB Model

[versed merlin]

welp, emperor just gifted me this and i havent even bought a vraks or shotgun yet

[covert beacon]

Alright, thank you! Can't wait to try this one out

[wet moon]

do you want a build for it?

[tawny kraken]

I like putting the shotgun barrel on the revolver, call it the big iron, or the wrist deleter

depends on my mood

[covert beacon]

I already have mine but if you wanna drop one too so I can steal stuff from it go ahead

[wet moon]

here

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/this-cannot-continue-stinkbugs11number1smeck-fan-cat-cat-in-water-water-cat-gif-25921319

[wet moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1176004035707404381/1176295022325415966/trim.85AC16EA-80C9-43FC-854C-684DB77F8F9F.gif?ex=656e591b&is=655be41b&hm=2f1d9b02a8c1ad3ba9e139f00774656b4661ca23644d732d831d7e000977a280&

[placid portal]

kinda wish I can remove the stock for my lucius

[untold mulch]

The moment that trigger is pulled

funni will occur

💀

[wet moon]

you can

[placid portal]

Ah

newest patch?

[strange grove]

is the graie brauto viable on the harder difficulties?

[wet moon]

yaya

[strange grove]

I feel if I take it I would have no solution to snipers

[placid portal]

lazy to update it

[wet moon]

not rlly

[wet moon]

this new one is good, can put sights on sights now too

[placid portal]

[wet moon]

so a reflex on top a recon sight for an M16

etc

[placid portal]

I'll try to find it in the server

[wet moon]

#1168063453416669284 message

[sour elbow]

If fatshart were smart they'd fold the weapon customisation into the game, and have you find bits like blessings.

[wet moon]

latest plugin is in pinned too

[sour elbow]

So you don't pay for skins, you pay for lego bricks, basically.

[placid portal]

Ye found it thank goodness it just got pinned today

[pearl sapphire]

I love melk

[wet moon]

fantastic, but no bayonet charge. sad :c

[frank ether]

mk3 is not eating very good this patch

[pearl sapphire]

Eh, not that big of a deal, I get to slap tf out of people with a long knife that can shoot

[placid portal]

Nay the charge speed aint high

[placid portal]

mk3 do be suffering from this patch

[frank ether]

compared to mk1-2 at least

[placid portal]

mk1 and 2 melee is super versatile

XP

[pearl sapphire]

It charges fast enough, it doesn’t really matter to me

[placid portal]

Fair enough

[frank ether]

Its the keystone nerfs that took away its ability to delete crushers consistently on demand

[wet moon]

it's like. one of the worst moves in a tide game ever. of all time.

[frank ether]

you can still do it btw

if you really build for it

and stack up marksman all the way

[placid portal]

Ye I can't 3 shot crushers as easily

🤔

[frank ether]

but like

[wet moon]

more like 1 shot lel

[frank ether]

by the time I can volley fire nuke crushers

I give up on like

close order drill

confirmed kill

[pearl sapphire]

Fair, but if it can clear hordes semi decently then I don’t really care

[frank ether]

grenade regen

so you're giving up on a lot to do it

[wet moon]

it can't bc it doesnt have any cleave to speak of

bayo you can at least spam and poke kinda decently

the slap just....hurts...

[pearl sapphire]

Works fine for me

[wet moon]

and it sucks bc the III is my fav helbore otherwise

[frank ether]

I know a way to make mk3 bayonet cleave better

[placid portal]

mk3 base design is super clean

minus the bayonet slash

[frank ether]

but its a bugged interaction and I'm not sure whether it will remain in the game or not

[wet moon]

make it sideways

[placid portal]

the animation is jank

[wet moon]

it's slow, it's a bad angle, it has no cleave. like i dont get why it exists

[frank ether]

its workable with brutal momentum interaction

that lets you cleave as long as you only hit heads

[nimble sentinel]

just hold the gun sideways smh my head

[wet moon]

real

[pearl sapphire]

I feel like it would be better if they modeled the animation and cleave after German WWI and WWII bayonet training, stick into ribs and then rip to the side

[nimble sentinel]

and how'd that turn out for em, hmmmmmm?

[pearl sapphire]

That’s a pic from Japan but ok

Lol

[nimble sentinel]

and I'm Canadian lol

[pearl sapphire]

I get what you mean though

[nimble sentinel]

/uj that would be nice if it had cleave

[delicate estuary]

what tree homies run for exe stance colomnus

[wet moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1075727773009723422/1118482658364756080/caption-44.gif

[wet moon]

fellow leaf

[pearl sapphire]

I have a kar 98 and a bayonet, used it on a ballistic dummy a while ago, shit is mean

[pearl sapphire]

Then why were the Soviets allowed to exist after WWII

[wet moon]

dont use columnus for exe stance. only have a stripped down raking fire one i use w stealth, knife and weapon specialist

[pearl sapphire]

Lol