veteran-class

[glass pumice]

dont forget we need better Nails those bend

[odd sparrow]

Well maybe, corvus did so a fit of rage basically sacrificing his ego for the purpose of revenge.

While leman was looking to ressurect Big E so he might retain his form as hes still thinking a bit clearly

[astral blade]

Awkward yes but probably would’ve being for the best

[brisk umbra]

God why is the load in inside the ship so god damn long sometimes

[odd sparrow]

His appearance is different depending on the observers understanding of who Big E is

[tardy vigil]

well, the former is a bit awkward knowing what we now about how the lion returned lmao

[topaz lance]

DarkCache helps in my case

[pearl granite]

is this good? and if not, what to replace? 😄

[astral blade]

Pretty sure if big E could go back in time and tell his younger self all the fuck ups and future events that would happen

Do ya think he would do it

[odd sparrow]

Kind of a brick

[untold mulch]

50/50 he hears, or he does it again

[thick kestrel]

that would imply he thought he could make mistakes :>

[pastel geode]

Rate my Brauto

[glass pumice]

Timetravel only works rarely as there are atleast 5 Actors actively preventing it (the 4 Chaos Guys and Big E)

[junior grail]

Remember, its easier to note all this from our point of view. As a first person in that universe, things dont go your way.

Look at our own world, so many conflicts and travesties can be avoided by simply talking things out or listening to reason. Yet no such talks and the easily preventable disasters... happen anyway

[astral blade]

Truth that is

[tardy vigil]

Pretty sure the onlything he'd change, if any, is not forming the word bearers

[untold mulch]

Kills Erebus

[junior grail]

FEMALE PRIMARCHS WOULDS SOLVE EVERYTHING

[pastel geode]

I'm Alpharius

[junior grail]

(not asking because I want 10 feet tall waifus)

[untold mulch]

Awfully specific

[tardy vigil]

is it the chaos gods actively fucking with or just butterfly effect. not caught up on my adventures of trazyn and his annoyance of chronomancers

[odd sparrow]

Or the night lords
Or the world eaters

[astral blade]

Well this has honesty being a very insightful lesson/debate if ya can even call it a debate on 40k lore

[wheat violet]

There is this one, her name starts with S

[astral blade]

Applying real world logic to 40k that is

[untold mulch]

Exercise on madness

[junior grail]

Its always fun

[junior grail]

Orks be like, wots dat? Kanz we foitez it?

[topaz lance]

Doesn't Eisenhorn have a vision of a female Primarch who was dead on birth or something?

[pastel geode]

Orks vs Goku

that'd be a fight

[junior grail]

God save us if an Ork masters Ultra Instinct

[astral blade]

I’ll admit knowing all this lore is quite interesting but also very frustrating knowing that so many things the writers could have done or have retconned could be actually useful in the 40k lore development

[wheat violet]

Also who knows maybe the two lost legions had female primarchs and thats why noone speaks about them.

[odd sparrow]

Goku wins no questions. Orks cant resist a planet buster or anything of that kind

[untold mulch]

They only need to Waagh a bit more

[thick kestrel]

it's worth noting that a lot of the nature of the emperor and the imperium is sourced from the Dune series, in a lot of ways a criticism of those books with a significantly more negative and cynical vision of what a god emperor would mean (Dune is also this... but also has a lot of questionable interpretations of stuffery along with it).

the trick to remember is that 40k is intentionally bleak, everything continously gets worse because anyone who actively tries to improve/fix things gets killed or pursecuted. the imperium and humanity could 100% turn things around if they knuckled down and stopped sabotaging themselves but, and this is the importing thing, they don't WANT to...

because it's 40k and everything sucks... unless you're an Ork ^^

[untold mulch]

[astral blade]

Like filling in the blanks for example but it is maddening knowing how messed up the 40k lore is as well

[odd sparrow]

Altho some might become resistent over time

[junior grail]

I see 40k lore as this, all truths and all lies. Flexible for you to insert your own ideas and play around as you wish

[viral garnet]

Same with me but it'd be with knowing all the dope vet cosmetics that are in the game but not accessible

[river escarp]

So based on all this lore. Is it alright to worship slanesh ?

[junior grail]

The messed up parts is what got some of us into this haha

[untold mulch]

Yes

Now face the wall

[junior grail]

Commissar!

[tardy vigil]

Eh, night lords themselves weren't that bad, was more of curze being a shitter of a primarch which inevitably fucked the legion over. Same with world eaters, Angron's entire situation could have been massively improved had emps not fucked him over on their reunion

[wheat violet]

Depands, do you want an extra tentacle or two?

[junior grail]

Like who here would actually want to be isekaied into 40k universe?

[river escarp]

Can I choose where that tentacle grows ?

[wheat violet]

No

[river escarp]

Guess beggars can't be choosers

[astral blade]

Massive no

[viral garnet]

Right I'm getting the commissar

And the flamer for extra mesure

[wheat violet]

Chaos brings promisses but provides only ruin.

[odd sparrow]

True he just shouldnt have picked up curze and angron.

Angron he propably could have solved with some effort.

Curze was curzed from the start

[sharp ember]

I Reincarnated And For Some Reason I'm A Hormagaunt!

[topaz lance]

Night Lords are just too edgy inherently. The edge cannot be contained.

[astral blade]

Oi stop edging ya self

[viral garnet]

Still annoyed of knowing all the dope vet cosmetics in the game but just aren't accesable

[midnight patrol]

All the talk about the potential of Las weapons makes me want to try making my best rolled Helbore's work.

But gawd I really, really dislike the switch speed.

Or lack there of

[topaz lance]

That's more of an Emerors Children thing to do

[wheat violet]

Probably best place to live at is Tau controlled planets.

[viral garnet]

Helbore are good but ye the pull out animation is so slow

[untold mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584035661217136643/1168276208623038494/aBdZqq1_460s.png?ex=656cdc81&is=655a6781&hm=6236f6f178a6bace81e3d015091d7c14c3b67203f6b5348e2a1397aee30dda82&

YOU ARE IN THE GUARD NOW SON

[weak hamlet]

Night Lords, Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors > Black Legion, Death Guard, Emperor's Children, World Eaters, Thousand Sons, Word Bearers

Atheist gang

[junior grail]

Almost as bad as Detroit

[untold mulch]

Only almost

[wheat violet]

Well, i got my drip form the original penances. Going to wear that proudly as some of them were pure BS to do.

[astral blade]

Welp imma head off fellas y’al have a good one

[tardy vigil]

am i atleast in the artillery

[junior grail]

Nights Wolfy homie kissed

[untold mulch]

There is also this one
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584035661217136643/1168276307151429693/akRkdA13_700w_0.png?ex=656cdc99&is=655a6799&hm=f0851143ad3055801a67db6c2cfda6e505289af0e422e1ebfc6f8d4ad41525e2&

[weak hamlet]

You mean the redacted ones ?

[viral garnet]

So do i but the drip in the files is immense

[untold mulch]

[midnight patrol]

This goes hard tho.

[wheat violet]

Yes

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

[wheat violet]

My sanity left me

[junior grail]

How do you get those?

[untold mulch]

Dear lord

[wheat violet]

When i was doing them

[viral garnet]

Same but again the drip in the files is so immense

[river escarp]

Dune where crying is considered alpha. Truly a blasphemy

[thick rose]

ah shi. im hearing game noises after exiting the game... think I mighta played too much last couple days :/

[viral garnet]

I have a mod that allows me to view all cosmetics which for example allowed me to see the new steel legion stuff a week before they released

[weak hamlet]

I just did them all a few days ago (I now have all vet penances) and they weren't bad, but that's mainly because vet can turn off his ammo regen now, and guarantee to always be at 100% toughness

[wheat violet]

The numbers of times i got hit by sneaky poxwalker.

[viral garnet]

Oh god don't start

[untold mulch]

I have heard the pox flamer when I awkoe at midnight

Almost dodged out of bed

[junior grail]

Does it allow you to get those cosmetics client side?

[viral garnet]

No sadly only view them on your character

[junior grail]

Ah maybe I want it anyway so I can save my Aquilas for what I really want

[junior grail]

Whats the mod name?

[viral garnet]

Was called view all cosmetics but was removed from the nexus

[midnight patrol]

I have grown to use VoC as ablative armour for my squad the moment I hear a boomer lol

[viral garnet]

I have the file though

@junior grail

[junior grail]

Know where I can get it?

[viral garnet]

I could give you or anyone else who wants it the file

[untold mulch]

I have grwon used to hear the poxburster and avoid where the sound comes from

Is the PUG problem now

too many times I go to push

and the random village idiot shoots it

with me clearly in the way

[midnight patrol]

Isn't it on Nexus or the Discord?

[viral garnet]

Got removed of nexus

[junior grail]

Yes pls

[midnight patrol]

I snapped at a new friend that shot one as I was sprinting to push it away lol

[midnight patrol]

DM it to me as well thanks

You'll get a fellow Vet's support .w.

[junior grail]

I'll even beg in uwu if you want

[untold mulch]

I get it in low levels

but holy fuck

if you reach level 30 without knowing to push them

what

HOW

[wheat violet]

I started playing the Beta 19th November 2022. Finished the veteran penances 22nd December 2022.

[viral garnet]

Anyone else want it while I'm here

[wheat violet]

It was a wild ride

[midnight patrol]

I see people panic hopping in place lmao

[untold mulch]

At this point

I could be in my house vibin

[barren saffron]

Anyone running Bolter these days? Trying to get back to it after playing with Plasma and Revolver, feels so clunky and slow now. I do run it with that Shout talent, auric only. I seem to be doing a lot of less damage then "back in the ol days" Where am I messing up?

[junior grail]

Shield Ogryn using weapon special

[untold mulch]

someone plays the poxburster noise

I am shoving the mf

by raw instict

[viral garnet]

Same with me but the chimera from stalker

[weak hamlet]

Watch Chocob's last video. The boltgun is still quite strong.

[tardy vigil]

i unbound my jump just to prevent this, and even still i fuck up the timing sometimes

[barren saffron]

I'll look for it, thanks for reply

[viral garnet]

Anyone else want the check cosmetics mod while I'm here

[stoic birch]

What's the good Catachan sword ? and what blessings does it take

[junior grail]

The madlad used Marksman Focus

[wheat violet]

Would you consider this good?

[weak hamlet]

Those blessings are dreadful but the rest is fine

[midnight patrol]

The blessings are antithesis to the Helbore lmao

[lone yoke]

yay or nay?

[wheat violet]

Making me wish i could reroll everything and not just two things. Atleast its not relying on the blessings that much.

[weak hamlet]

To be fair if you don't run crit on ads + onslaught you don't have a good lucius

[weak hamlet]

Ofc yes

Duh

[nimble sentinel]

mk II fires fast enough that onslaught isn't necessary but yeh, this

[weak hamlet]

You have an amazing stats one and the blessings on the PG don't matter so you'll be able to put whatever perks you want

Go for it

[midnight patrol]

Wait. His stopping g power is a bit oof.

[wheat violet]

Honestly i would rather have the reliable damage than having to rely on those two blessings.
But yeah atleast the ads blessings would be nice

[lone yoke]

I thought low stopping power is a deal-breaker

[weak hamlet]

Onslaught is mandatory for me. Lucius is unusable without it to me.

[viral garnet]

I had a good mk2 helbore then it gave me to shit blessing and I had already replaced one of my perks so I'm still looking for one

[weak hamlet]

Meh, I don't care about it too much on the PG since everything will be dead anyway

[wheat violet]

What about this one.

[weak hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[midnight patrol]

Bloodletter can be funni

[barren saffron]

I personally don't fancy Bloodletter since I don't find time to use shredder other than in specific rare ocasions

[midnight patrol]

Won't make or break some breakpoints?

[viral garnet]

Is it weird I havent been a fan of the chainsword recently

[wheat violet]

Makes it less likely to overkill

[lone yoke]

so uhm ... elite/carapace, right?

[weak hamlet]

I've used it a lot in patch 13 but eversince I've come back to a power sword. The MKVI is still the king of veteran melee IMO.

[viral garnet]

Still need to farm plasteel once I'm home keep running out

[dapper vessel]

stopping powers too low

[weak hamlet]

What does stopping power do again ?

[dapper vessel]

its your adm against armor types iirc

[viral garnet]

Love my catching blade but the power sword is also nice

[dapper vessel]

well there it is

[midnight patrol]

Hmm. Seems okay to me yeah

[wheat violet]

Its funny against monstrocities and chargers, crushers etc.

[dapper vessel]

you lose some breakpoints on it

but as for your perks

yeah Elite carapace on THAT plasma is fine

[weak hamlet]

I need to come back to the catachan blades yeah
What mark do you use ?

[barren saffron]

IV for me, horizontal swings

[lone yoke]

I is the same?

[wheat violet]

Imagine they added meltaguns.

[lone yoke]

what would be good on a better stopping power?

[midnight patrol]

Mk1 is the horizontal I think

[weak hamlet]

I thought stopping power was only stagger. Then yeah I guess it's still somewhat important. Still, the PG does so much damage I wouldn't worry about it too much

[midnight patrol]

But the third in the combo is a straight down strikedown

Which kinda sucks

[weak hamlet]

They will eventually

[dapper vessel]

Maniac and Elites.

[lone yoke]

[barren saffron]

I do light - heavy spam on horde with the IV. Actually never used the other ones since I got used to this one on zealot.

[untold mulch]

Stagger is collateral

[dapper vessel]

Plasma has a more varied perk recommendations and it comes down to what perks that helps with breakpoints

It can 1 shot Unyielding just fine without Unyielding 25%

I have Elites 10% on my Plasma and a locked reload speed perk

[weak hamlet]

Stopping power effects stagger as well though

[untold mulch]

Yep, but only stagger is Collateral

Why they are different stats? in that way

fuck if I know

[weak hamlet]

Anyway, at the end of the day a plasma gun is a plasma gun. One of the least stat/blessing dependant weapons in the game. It'll still kill everything. The only thing that really sucks on a PG to me is having a low charge rate or too little ammo.

[nimble sentinel]

are y'all forgetting that stagger...staggers? I'd ratehr deal with a crusher on its ass than one turning my insides into outsides

[weak hamlet]

Yeah sure but I'm a vet, it's not like I come into 50 metres of a crusher... ever

[vagrant narwhal]

Or well

Krak grande

[wanton dawn]

In general you dont decide 🤷

[vagrant narwhal]

Granade*

[weak hamlet]

And personally for carapace I usually don't bother and either krak them or pull out my mk6

[nimble sentinel]

I run frags on my plasma build, need something for the poxers after all

[weak hamlet]

Same but I still have my trusty power sword

With brutal momentum the push attack will mess up crushers

[paper anchor]

[versed osprey]

whats the best rapid firing weapon for veteran?

shredder?

[nimble sentinel]

Columnus AG is popular, I love the MG IV if your index finger can handle it

[weak hamlet]

None, be a real chad and use carpal tunnel guns

[versed osprey]

i use Revolver but i wanna test a rapid firing gun

[paper anchor]

Me full autoing Bolter

[midnight patrol]

MG IV suffers heavily against flak at short range

[paper anchor]

[midnight patrol]

You need to drop flak ragers fast at short range alas.

[nimble sentinel]

just parry bro

/uj headshots with the blessings still shreds them

[paper anchor]

Inb4 they don't use devils claw

[weak hamlet]

Power sword

[midnight patrol]

It's why I still use the IAG series when I feel like playing an assault rifleman

Those chew up maniacs and flak

Which is what you want to drop on their ass anyway

[celest vine]

Krak grenades stick to scab ragers

[nimble sentinel]

that too

hasn't let me down yet

[midnight patrol]

I just wish that infantry lasguns didn't have their weird assed reverse damage falloff

In a game where 10 meter guns fights are common.

[celest vine]

Lets me sneak attack ragers

[viral garnet]

MkIV

[celest vine]

Light attack power sword staggers ragers

[viral garnet]

Heavy are overhead then a slash from the left but lights work for hordes

[weak hamlet]

I tend to gravitate towards the single shot headhunter autogun for marksman vet now. Just use the weapon customisation mod to put a sight on it and you're good.

[paper anchor]

I prefer MkVII

Iirc for Devils claw

[viral garnet]

I love the green language forgot the mark

For my marksmen

[paper anchor]

Horizontal into Overhead for Heavies

My zealot has mkIV iirc

[weak hamlet]

The fact it doesn't have one in vanilla is baffling btw

[torn needle]

I want cadia vet to have pirate voice lines

[viral garnet]

I like the mkIV as the overhead is able to kill or heavily damage mutants

[midnight patrol]

My main service weapon is this puppy

[torn needle]

ONE BLAST O' ME MINIATURE GRAPESHOT AND THEY'LL BE WISHIN' THEY WERE IN ANOTHER LINE O' WORK

[viral garnet]

Might need to try the headhunters never used them apart from when leveling

[weak hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/orson-krennic-its-beautiful-gif-15243083

[midnight patrol]

Spess SVD

[thick rose]

hrmmm

[midnight patrol]

The latest mod of it has maniac instead of unarmored

Allows me to sometimes get hilarious two to three taps with accidental headshots on sprinting muties and ragers lol

[thick rose]

so many weapons so little credits to buy 314 greys

[viral garnet]

Think I need to try the headhunters never used except when was originally leveling up my vet

[thick rose]

except for everything about the way it reloads, the revolver is basically a semi auto rifle

[viral garnet]

I need to get more mats though I have enough diamantine but never enoguh plasteel

[weak hamlet]

The single shot one is probably my favourite DMR in the game. The only thing is you need to use the weapon customisation mod to put a sight on it or else you're missing out.

[viral garnet]

Before I give the headhunter rifles

[viral garnet]

As a vet that mods basically manditory

[paper anchor]

Me who spec'd my laspistol to be like a Carbine

[inland tide]

I didn’t even know that marksman rifle existed

(Not a vet main)

[midnight patrol]

Use that mod to stick a long barrel and sniper stocks too

[viral garnet]

Could do worse

[midnight patrol]

Make it look like it can dish out 1500 damage crit headshots

[paper anchor]

The ones that make me cringe are people putting stocks on bolters

[weak hamlet]

Nooooo it's cheating you can't just use a mod to do what the lazy multi million dollar game company didn't even bother to do my game integrity nooooooo

[viral garnet]

God yes cause where the stock is where the recoil spring js

[viral garnet]

Haha lagun scope go zoom

[midnight patrol]

Stuck a 24 inch barrel and a sniper stock on hers.

[inland tide]

Perks are for universal headshot dmg increase, ye?

[viral garnet]

Right plan is to farm mats once I'm home to give the headhunters a try and get a good mk2 helbore for my vet I hope

[lean light]

Why does your bolter even have a barrel, just have a hole.

[nimble sentinel]

I learned hellbore aiming before the mod existed, real talk you learn to aim with vibes

[lean light]

Iron sights enjoyer Vs scope fans

[nimble sentinel]

I might mod my install just to take the sight off my lasgun for the meme

[weak hamlet]

Not as weird as the plasma gun stocks on tempestus minis

[paper anchor]

Plasma it covers the vent button.. bolter it's mounted onto the recoil bolt

[weak hamlet]

If I wanna play a game with purposefuly awful WW1 aiming I'll just launch Isonzo

[bright coyote]

only noob need custom sight

[paper anchor]

I used hellbore lasguns before people liked them

[viral garnet]

Really

[bright coyote]

(joke)

[viral garnet]

Oh I just use it case drip and put sites on certain guns

[weak hamlet]

In a sane world this would be satire but you can't really be sure

[nimble sentinel]

I ain't committing no tech heresy if the hellbore sight STC doesn't exist then the God Emperor of Mankind didn't deem it necessary anyway

(or I am just too lazy to download 6 different files for 1 mod)

[bright coyote]

the sights are so bad but i personally can live without the mod

[karmic musk]

I mean it is cheating but everyone is using the "co-op so doesnt matter" excuse

[viral garnet]

Your name fits oerfectly

[bright coyote]

thankfully its satire this time

[midnight patrol]

Ease of use for crits

[viral garnet]

Wait how it the weapon Customization classed as cheating

[paper anchor]

[midnight patrol]

With Deadshot. And aiming for a single second. You basically get guaranteed crits

On a headshot you will dome anything human sized with one or two bullets.

On Damnation

[weak hamlet]

It's not cheating if it's a feature this #@*#*y game company called fatshark originally wanted to put in the game but didn't because they haven't been able to release a remotely full and finished game in decades

[nimble sentinel]

perhaps the hellbore (and others) having terrible sights is a balance thing? that's what makes the most sense to me

[karmic musk]

Mods that give you an advantage in gameplay over others, whether its vision, ease of use or other factors IS cheating. Like no need to self-delude on this lmao

Its only cause we aint a PVP game that the community overlooks it

[bright coyote]

I'm a salty Xbox player who can't get sights so I will agree

[torn needle]

It's cheating but an extremely light version of cheating so no one really cares

[nimble sentinel]

hot (or room temperature) take: if it can be replicated with a dry erase dot on your monitor, it should be alright to mod an in-game alternative

[junior needle]

The mods are approved by fatshark, just fyi

[turbid oracle]

Does the powderburn damage bonus actually work?

[weak hamlet]

It's not cheating because it was originally going to be in the game. Just like an actually compelling story.

[karmic musk]

sure bro

[torn needle]

There are plenty of programs that let you just overlay a crosshair on your monitor

[midnight patrol]

There are also crosshair mods

[nimble sentinel]

my monitor before immigrating had this built in too

[weak hamlet]

Fixing game dev incompetence/laziness isn't cheating, it's players taking game improvement into their own hands, bethesda style

[vagrant narwhal]

Are you talking about the weapon customisation mod?

[pastel geode]

All I see is the guy from goodburger when I look at this hat

[weak hamlet]

Yeah

[junior needle]

Game was supposed to have attachments, as stated by the devs multiple times prior to release

[vagrant narwhal]

In that case that is something they promised in the early stages of the game, not much else to it

[vagrant narwhal]

Exactly

[pastel geode]

https://tenor.com/view/frankt-gif-23053213

[vagrant narwhal]

So why not add it ourselves until they eventually do deliver

If they ever do

[fathom grail]

I don’t use mods but it’s nice to have them available

[weak hamlet]

And if there was a mod that utterly removed perk and blessing locks (like the game should be) you can be damn sure everybody would use it. One can only dream.

[torn needle]

Weapon attachments are cool and I like them, but they're still cheating

[vagrant narwhal]

Otherwise how the hell am i mean to competently use stuff like the hellbore 1 and 2 xd

[weak hamlet]

Insert the office thank you meme

[untold mulch]

Yeah, early game info is kinda different than what we got

Lights out in the middle of a mission

more sneaking out hordes

It sounded more like GTFO 40k

[nimble sentinel]

very carefully

[weak hamlet]

Nope, they're bringing the game closer to its intended release state

[untold mulch]

I wish we one day see a 40k gmae more like that, with a oh god oh fuck

[bright coyote]

arent customization mods client side only? thats a mod that is laughable to me, u still look like ur wearing rags to everyone else right?

[karmic musk]

Some ppl really are allergic to the word cheating arent they

But they can gaslight themselves into believing they arent

I have Cthru Shield, literally straight up vision hack. I don't care

[torn needle]

Not in the game by default and it gives an advantage via injecting code or modding = cheating

Doesn't mean you can't use it or shouldn't

[untold mulch]

I am personally iffy about the shield mod

[karmic musk]

I am 50% more accurate with Reflex Sights Helbore than Iron Sights. I don't care

[torn needle]

This is it yeah

[vagrant narwhal]

Nah shield more is simply cutting XD

[viral garnet]

I was just curious but what you said makes sense I mainly use it to make the weapons look how I want to match the loadoutnits apart of

[untold mulch]

The sight mod should have been base, and is stupid it wasn't

[torn needle]

People just hate it being labeled as cheating but that's just what it is, and who cares

[viral garnet]

Ye like I said I mainly use it for looks

[nimble sentinel]

at the end of the day we're playing WITH people and not AGAINST them

[floral finch]

As long as it's not hurting the experience of other players then who fucking cares?

[nimble sentinel]

luv me coop

[vagrant narwhal]

I use wcm only cuz hellbore are a pain to aim otherwise

[torn needle]

Which is why it doesn't matter if you do it or not yeah

[weak hamlet]

No, you're throwing the word around but it doesn't make it true

[nimble sentinel]

yeh

if y'all really are that allergic to putting a sight on your hellbore, just don't. It's still usable, it was my main gun before the mod existed and it's not as bad as the doomsayers claim

[torn needle]

Stub ironsights my beloved

[fathom grail]

Just wait till we get some degenerate anime mods going

[viral garnet]

Ye

[fathom grail]

[karmic musk]

I use Crosshair Remap mod to put a chevron on that trash sight if I don't have the Reflex

[viral garnet]

Gos I hope not

[torn needle]

I want the slaanesh chaos warrior voice mod for crushers PLEASE PLEEAAAAASE

[mystic escarp]

Yo
Can someone show me a build to use Lasgun Ia that don't suck?

[karmic musk]

Waiting for Daemonhost waifu mod

[midnight patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1168063453416669284/1175114538169946322/image.png?ex=656a0db2&is=655798b2&hm=4dfeb7b1fcb589a7b1af6e1d7f61b8f378634d04bdf9d63333f4811489820123&

Meanwhile I'm making monstrosities like this lol

[mystic escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/maxwell-maxwell-spin-spinning-cat-maxwell-spinning-gif-27234188

Replace dh with this

[bright coyote]

yesss

[karmic musk]

holy chonker

[torn needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LPZjLERDA8

[weak hamlet]

Vermintide 2 and Darktide have kept their hardcore players this long because people have worked on fixing the games from all the oversights, dumb ideas and bugs that fatshark never bothered with, and implementing features that should have been in the game that never were. They're too busy pushing cosmetics with clipping issues for the price of whole indie games and having us have locks on our blessings to inflate play time. It's pretty telling fatshark never qualified any mod as cheating, because they're too happy players are putting in work instead of the company that should.

[midnight patrol]

Thanks lol

[mystic escarp]

So, if I replace DH with Maxwell the Cat it won't be a cheating?

[bright coyote]

its cheating because im jealous i can't mod on console 🤧

[fathom grail]

This is now part of history

[nimble sentinel]

this isn't even the only one

[weak hamlet]

You can very much try, I don't think you'll find a maxwell the cat asset in the game files though

[fathom grail]

Oh no

Ohhh noooo

[torn needle]

DO NOT THE DAEMONHOSTT

[mystic escarp]

The booba deamon host is real and it wiped my team yesterday

[untold mulch]

Why

[weak hamlet]

Like the fact you have to use a fcking mod to see which mission type you've done or not for the penance tells you everything about this game

[weak hamlet]

Or to see a player character's actual level

[weak hamlet]

Or to see a player's steam name

[bright coyote]

id do anything for scoreboard and actual level

[weak hamlet]

Or to block when you're writing

[midnight patrol]

There's mods for scoreboard and steam name lol

And actual level yeah

[fathom grail]

I’d love an official fatshark scoreboard only to laugh how bad it is compared to the mod version

[weak hamlet]

All of which are features of a game by the same company from 5 years ago

[weak hamlet]

Exactly what I'm saying

[bright coyote]

unless One Drive will let me mod darktide, im stuck with the base game on console

[weak hamlet]

Like, I can't stress this enough, you need A MOD to block when you're typing

[karmic musk]

Console

[fathom grail]

Fs scoreboard would be like “you killed 6” in a 30min dam game

[bright coyote]

Gotta represent

[karmic musk]

Hey you have people defending no scoreboard decision here

[weak hamlet]

Screw em

[timid otter]

I already know i have the highest damage

No need for scoreboard

[karmic musk]

based

[fathom grail]

Im making fun of fs competency

[weak hamlet]

And let me say it again because of how baffling it is, it was a feature in vermintide 2, all they had to do was to copy and paste some code

[weak hamlet]

Lack thereof

[untold mulch]

There is something seriously wrong in their offices

[bright coyote]

whats with all the typos???

in this game

and V2

[nimble sentinel]

swedes?

[weak hamlet]

I can't comprehend how they can simultaneously have some of the best mechanics and art direction of all video games ever, AND some of the worst polish and QoL of all video games ever

[steady marten]

It must spell a secret code if you get all the letters that seem wrong

[weak hamlet]

If you ever needed confirmation of which scandinavian country is the best :
Denmark : Ghost Ship Games
Sweden : Fatshark

[untold mulch]

No but seriously, I am not in the industry

so I have absolutely no clue what is failing

Only that something is

There is one or a few pieces in Fatshark chain of work that should be taken out and shot

Because is incredibly baffling

[bitter turtle]

scopes on vrak is fun

[nimble sentinel]

counter point:

Iron Gate
Paradox
Mojang

[weak hamlet]

Vermintide 2 has a nice little community but was never insanely popular as WH fantasy is not as popular as 40k (which is sad, the masses truly have horrible taste). They had the perfect opportunity to make a more polished game in a much more popular setting, and what did they release ? Darktide patch 0. I know for a fact some people were disappointed with Darktide and will never come back, however much they improve the game after ages like they did with VT2.

[untold mulch]

I only bothered coming back because the 40k name

[karmic musk]

Ah yes, DRG. The game I quit after a couple of rounds. So boring compared to Warhammer

[untold mulch]

40k IP did the heavy lifting in the entire year

[karmic musk]

Space Marine 2 incoming

[nimble sentinel]

https://youtu.be/VDHZ__kMhnM?si=z4nJcaczMUlnjh4K

[delicate moat]

[frank ether]

Me and my lot only bothered reinstalling because of the class rework and all the vet bugs have been straining my patiencce

[delicate moat]

imagine if this game also has modded difficulties like DRG

"Oops All Ragers"

[untold mulch]

Mhmmm

[frank ether]

VT2 still has many aspects aside from its setting thats superior to DT

but one aspect I'll give a hot take is random nameless husks over specific characters

[untold mulch]

I am waiting to see what Part 2 is gonna add, because is theo nly thing we getting until like february

So, I hope is good

[frank ether]

yes VT2 has very spicy main cast

[weak hamlet]

Meanwile I'm sitting at 1200 hours still discovering new ways of playing. Truly boring indeed

[karmic musk]

stfu Dorf Throws another Javelin in that bearded git's face

[frank ether]

but I find it easier to relate to my random ass loose cannon vet

[karmic musk]

Almost like ppl have diff opinions 🤔

[untold mulch]

Yeah, I really like the personalities

[frank ether]

just food for thought

[untold mulch]

I personally prefer DT way

because it allows multiple vets

[frank ether]

I appreciate that they have been adding more lines for the voicelines aswell

Its probably expensive for them

[weak hamlet]

Hey, I got you to say it, opinions !

[frank ether]

but its the right thing to do

and it makes me happy

[delicate moat]

does staggering trappers sometimes insta reset their net timer?

[untold mulch]

Yes

karking trappers

[delicate moat]

i saw a teammate get karked by a trapper that was staggered after jumping down and got insta trapped

[karmic musk]

SIGMA SOMETHING SOMETHING

[bitter turtle]

sigma balls

gottem

[weak hamlet]

I wish I'd chosen loose cannon

[paper anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/bardin-vermintide-dwarf-warhammer-gif-23354885

[untold mulch]

DELTATRON......THE FLAMEY ONE

[paper anchor]

FOR SIGMAR

[weak hamlet]

And FS will not let us change personalities because "muh character progression" as if anyone cared how ever so slightly the voice lines change

[untold mulch]

LC is so good

[nimble sentinel]

SAAAAAAAAAAAAME

[topaz lance]

Darktide is better by default since it doesn't have the Elf.

[viral garnet]

I use the cadian I like it but some of the loose cannon stuff is neat but I'm happy with my choice I like my angry tall cadian

[paper anchor]

Darktide doesn't have "these stairs go up" voice lines. Un-fucking playable. SMFH

[untold mulch]

My only peeve of LC

[weak hamlet]

This but unironically

[untold mulch]

is that his infiltrate lines imo kinda lack

[weak hamlet]

Female fanatic zealot is more annoying than Kerillian ever was

[untold mulch]

like, idk they need some deviousness in them

[viral garnet]

Ye I like my cadian she's professional but her personality and rage is still said with the lines

[paper anchor]

A female fanatic from cadia?

[weak hamlet]

Female judge is alright

Male judge is annoying too

Best voice savant, both genders

[nimble sentinel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/lg2S5BIuuDs?si=K_OpEgUIlumU9IHR

[untold mulch]

I find incredibly amusing the Seer

"No beloved, I think it doesn't wants to play" (poxhound spawn)

[crude wind]

Who is the savant

The seer is amazing

[valid apex]

Me

[untold mulch]

Is the arbites one

[paper anchor]

Meanwhile some meme vt2 video calling salty the "Racist"

[untold mulch]

THE ONLY STABLE PSYKER

[crude wind]

Oh I fucking hate the Savant

She just rabbits on about utter shite the whole time

[earnest lodge]

Savant gets stale very fast

[weak hamlet]

Already seen him. IIRC he's just imitating male judge as he only did male professional in the actual game

[crude wind]

Just shut the fuck up

[untold mulch]

I love the implication of the Seer

that that fragment of E is literlaly seeing a mutant dog and going PET HIM

[viral garnet]

I mean it's a fragment

[weak hamlet]

Savants are the only ones who don't talk like they're british "people" so they're the best, I don't make the rules

[crude wind]

Best voices in the whole game at the male loose cannon, the female agitator and the bully

[nimble sentinel]

different VA, this is the professional https://youtu.be/SJDXYHE22-o?si=lOturVi9ey5JL4NZ

[crude wind]

The savant is just annoying and unlikeable

[paper anchor]

Humanity: I can fix him.
Poxhound: grr

[topaz lance]

Honestly I don't mind n voicetype in Darktide nearly as much as Elf. Cadian is the only one coming close.

[weak hamlet]

Wait I thought this was alex jordan

[crude wind]

Female fanatic is great, she's good fun

[viral garnet]

Is it weird I like the female cadian vet voice

[crude wind]

Nah

[weak hamlet]

Oh wait they almost have the same name, no wonder I got em mixed up

[untold mulch]

"There is something horrible in the dark"

Bully: ME

[crude wind]

That voice is excellent

[nimble sentinel]

they have very funny names, Alex Jordan vs James Alexander

[viral garnet]

I just like how angry but professionally the voice is

[earnest lodge]

Savant is needlessly rude to Judge and is generally annoying.

[frank ether]

I love loose cannon, really resonates with me

[crude wind]

Yeah same

[weak hamlet]

Yeah

[frank ether]

had a few missions where I make the exact same commentary on some lines lmao

[crude wind]

He's my favourite of them all

[umbral scaffold]

Loose cannon wife

[weak hamlet]

Yeah but hearing something else than british accents is always nice

[crude wind]

"and that is how they died, waiting for a Bridge. Not very heroic"

[umbral scaffold]

Precious woman

[frank ether]

And If I lived in 40k imperium I'd also probably end up locked in a cell

[junior grail]

Trying out Recon with Marksman Focus and Exe Stance, is Camouflage recommended or LRAssassin?

[crude wind]

Always cammo

[umbral scaffold]

The inquisition would find my tau homework folder

[crude wind]

The extra stacks one is a trap

[weak hamlet]

Also zealots are massive assholes so it's only fair people are rude to them

[topaz lance]

But on the other hand Darktide is worse by default since it doesn't have Saltzpyre.
"Twice the glory!"

[umbral scaffold]

WAR FUNDING

[crude wind]

"YOU CANNOT ESCAPE JUDGEMENT"

[viral garnet]

I like the voice as it has the anger from her home world being dead but she still has some professionalism

[tardy vigil]

Interesting, im the opposite, i see the stacks as 5 extra seconds of uptime to move and as such, just keep moving and shooting until there's nothing left to shoot

[viral garnet]

Widh I chose the zealot voice that has the concerning quote forgot the namw

[frank ether]

If you're running a slower gun like helbore you really cant realistically keep it up without camo

[crude wind]

Having max stacks for consistently > a negligible amount of damage that likely doesn't matter imo

But that's me

[junior grail]

He's one of the Traitor Captains I suppose

[frank ether]

but then again I dont think you need the keystone for helbore at all

[nimble sentinel]

while I do agree, counter point: the lack of male Cadian's professionalism explains why he was a prisoner before inquisitor

[frank ether]

its only helbore mk3 that needs it to one shot crushers

on that note it does anger me I can't just reliably hit F and delete crushers on hb3 now

[crude wind]

It's way better than the male cadian who sounds like a monty python drill Sargent

[viral garnet]

Ye hence why my vets a women nicer voice and accent

[weak hamlet]

Yeah as good as the voice acting in DT might be, VT2 just blows it out of the water because it has actually written characters instead of random inconsequential MMO style characters with no story

[junior grail]

Im running Recon for now, its either that or Infantry Las

[crude wind]

Just better acted as well

[earnest lodge]

FemJudge is pure

[viral garnet]

Ye also somewhat like female loose cannon

[weak hamlet]

She's the least bad of all zealots

[frank ether]

I made a tasty kantrael las, I think I need the full auto mod though, I pity console joes who try that gun

[crude wind]

FemJudge or FemAgi

For sure

[umbral scaffold]

Female agitator can call me an imbecile anytime

[frank ether]

femagi also good yes

good taste

[crude wind]

The male zealot voices are all not really my thing

[crude wind]

She is legit fucking hilarious

[umbral scaffold]

DIDST THOU MEAN TO STRIKE THE HEAD

[weak hamlet]

They annoy me so much, especially male judge

I can't stand it

[viral garnet]

I forgot what voice I chose for my zelot but I do wish I chose the voices that has the skull for golden throne quitw

[crude wind]

"The master bade me take it!"

[nimble sentinel]

I am so happy I chose the khorn zealot first

[weak hamlet]

Male judge is lucky DT doesn't have friendly fire

[junior grail]

I have a well stacked MgIa ready to go, it has Flakiac 3 and HH4 DA4

[tardy vigil]

course thinking on it, heavily map dependent i suppose. Might make another preset just swapping LRA for Camo to use on maps where i know some safe zones to not get hit by poxwalkers

[umbral scaffold]

THE MASTER HATH PROVIDED STAIRS

[viral garnet]

Really wish we could change voices with the barber guy but farshark said no

[junior grail]

Remembers "These stairs go UP"

[crude wind]

That's a cool thing about Darktide, maps do really influence the effectiveness of a load out

[junior grail]

Can even call it Hypnotic Conditioning

[weak hamlet]

fatshark L number 546468

[viral garnet]

Yep I wanna switch my voices sometimes cause I might be in the mood for the different personalities but no

We are stuck with the voices we chose at the start

[frank ether]

I have flaniac aswell but HH/DA are only rank 3

I could do better but just dipping my toes into it for now

kantrael recoil doesnt feel horrendeous

but the clicking

its a lot of clicking

It starts to tire me after a game or two

[stray storm]

This worth the milk coins?

[slow spade]

Imo no

[trim hemlock]

3 things need to be fixed in this HH, so I would pass

[whole moon]

Imo no

[slow spade]

I only buy lvl 4 blessings

Also the gun is pretty meh due to its burst

[trim hemlock]

But that’s not inherently a bad thing

[slow spade]

It is when ammo is limited

Burst fire has always been bad in games where ammo control is important

[frank ether]

nah it has very good recoil

[bitter turtle]

how do ppl run out of ammo in this game

do you like

not take survivalist

[slow spade]

Never mentioned anything about recoil

[bitter turtle]

and run only with gungryns

[delicate moat]

pew pew pew at trash

[trim hemlock]

Well then IDK what exactly are you shooting with it, but HH3 is one of the guns I wouldn’t even take Scavenger aura on. It’s very efficient with proper things on it.

[frank ether]

ammo is not a problem if you dont pew pew at chaff

[slow spade]

I use plasma

[delicate moat]

unload entire bolter mag into trash

[bitter turtle]

even more perplexing

[trim hemlock]

I don’t. Sometimes. Fight me.

[frank ether]

one burst at a gunner would be ammo for days

[bitter turtle]

i never ran out of ammo on plasma

are you shooting hordes or something

[nimble sentinel]

or if you take a lasgun with shock trooper

[frank ether]

you have 45 round mag even if you take an entire burst for each gunner you can fit 15 gunners in a mag

[bitter turtle]

i dont on guns that don't need it, but if ppl feel like they're running out of ammo its a no brainer

[slow spade]

Plasma always runs negative on ammo gain unless you inhale all the ammo

[nimble sentinel]

shoot the chaff, kill all the chaff, spend a total of 12 bullets

[bitter turtle]

idk i just melee things lol

[frank ether]

still inefficient

[bitter turtle]

i just use plasma like a revolver

[frank ether]

two three swings with a power sword

[bitter turtle]

i have 0 problems even when I tried

[delicate moat]

i am ammo vacuum cleaner

[stray storm]

Ooookey

[slow spade]

A vet that just melees things

Explains a lot

[nimble sentinel]

agree to disagree, constant and consistent damage > bursts of damage when they shamble close enough to kick in the kraks

[umbral scaffold]

Shock trooper helbore with survivalist, never run out of ammo, never pick up ammo

[bitter turtle]

im pretty sure meleeing hordes is more efficient unless you're usingm knife memes

what do you think the powersword is for

its good for more than stabbing crushers in the face

[candid tundra]

Do you guys prefer the headhunter mk 3 or 7?

[delicate moat]

7

[bitter turtle]

i like 7 a lot with my cheaty mods sticking a scope on it

[stray storm]

Smacking the Plague Ogryns

[bitter turtle]

so cheat, very wow

its fun as heck

[umbral scaffold]

Sconp

[delicate moat]

psword is to provide light in lights out

[slow spade]

Lol

[stray storm]

Heads will roll

[inland orchid]

So does ogryn’s mussel flash from the twin Stubba

[tardy vigil]

dont know how you're running plasma then. my shout vet which does not run surivalist only ever runs into problems if i have to delete multiple crusher/mauler swarms alone, otherwise not much is needed for ammo pickups

[bitter turtle]

unironically i hope you're not in my AM games if you're shooting plasma into naked hordes with no elites

[slow spade]

Uses 3 ammo per shot vs 1.29 ammo gain per kill

[slow spade]

Never said that

[bitter turtle]

then idk how you can run dry unless you're running with gungryns that inhale everything

i just use it like i do revolver

ammo is 0 problem

[tardy vigil]

^

[slow spade]

Lots of elites + specialists

Have to shoot them

Negative ammo gain per kill

[tardy vigil]

yeah, and its not that bad

[slow spade]

Not that hard to understand

[bitter turtle]

yes there are still ammo pickups on the map

its not that bad

its not liek taking one occasionally is "inhaling"

[slow spade]

Only gives roughly 20 ammo per pickup

[bitter turtle]

it all

lol

[nimble sentinel]

you can solve every ammo woe and stay competitive with a lasgun

[bitter turtle]

if you're using 3 per elite and get back 1.3 then that's literally 12 more elites you can kill

i dont think its a huge problem

[tardy vigil]

are you using plasma to deal with solo ragers/maulers/crushers?

[bitter turtle]

i never had the issue at least

ya probably

if they nose down at using melee on vet

lol

[candid tundra]

You run surgical and deadly accurate?

[bitter turtle]

yeah

its so fun

[tardy vigil]

because thats the only way i run into ammo issues

[bitter turtle]

i was thinking about headhunter but other ppl said surgical is prob better

and i dont want to huff my plasteel to try to make a HH one

got other guns to work on

[candid tundra]

Rn I haven't been able to get another one with surgical so my current one has headhunter 4 and deadly accurate 3

Spamming is sort of fun but

[slow spade]

Surgical is easier to use if its the 0.2 sec delay on

[candid tundra]

I'm trying to figure out if using surgical and waiting for crits is better

[strange grove]

gg

[bitter turtle]

i dont really wait for the crits

[slow spade]

If its the 0.3 sec one like Helbore, its a bit harder

[bitter turtle]

i just consider it as a crit bonus while im trying to get my aim

[candid tundra]

So 1 or 2 stacks is how much crit chanceM

?*

[bitter turtle]

ya something like that I guess

[slow spade]

No, only wait if you got the luxury

[bitter turtle]

some ppl said to wait on crushers

but i find it still too slow

so i just stab them with psword

[candid tundra]

Right

Cause yeah rn I have headhunter 4 on mine

[slow spade]

Carapace get blade

[candid tundra]

I could earn it just to have the tier 4 blessing for a mk3

[slow spade]

Its mainly for ragers and mutants where weakspot hits aren't very reliable

And gunners die in 1-shot + stand still

So headhunter doesn't have much value in practice

Surgical at least is consistent and doesn't need weakspot hits

[candid tundra]

I see

So would headhunter + deadly accurate be better on the mk3 than surgical + DA

Cause surgical +DA Makes more sense for mk7

[slow spade]

Spawn director sees Headhunter user

[inland orchid]

lol i feel ya on that sheo

For me and my boys we had the unlucky combo of chaos spawn and BoN

[frank ether]

who cares blame fatshark for not having scopes in the base game

consoles get aim assist they dont care

[bitter turtle]

ya i dont give a shit

it makes the gun like 10x more fun

[slow spade]

"Wow good thing I got Surgical so I can still get crits"

Spawn director:

[wise wren]

are there any good power sword boltgun builds? Im thinkiong of using weapon specialist

[inland orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-getting-out-of-hand-star-wars-viceroy-jedi-sith-gif-11488732

[frank ether]

good is subjective but I have one that uses focus mark (mid keystone)

[south spindle]

All my pugs have been people of this level for like the last week an its killing my motivation to play. This is Auric too.

[whole moon]

You wanting weapon builds or tree builds?

[cunning sandal]

Sane Player Test:
An Ogryn blocks your shots whilst they're in melee.
What do you do?

[quick burrow]

why does this gun suck tell me it was so lucky why do i hate it

[wise wren]

Tree

[cunning sandal]

[south spindle]

Shoot through them ofc, because Plasma gun

[inland orchid]

Join him in the melee, funny rag dolls are a cherry on top

[trim hemlock]

Well, what do you not like about it?

[umbral scaffold]

Born Leader works with Gloryhunter right?
If so this might just allow me to carry globe retacough friends even better

[cunning sandal]

[whole moon]

Keep hitting so they focus on me but strafe and dodge so they expose their back to the team

[cunning sandal]

[slow spade]

Yeah I've been using plasma shout builds to carry pugs

Its such a pain dealing with them

[quick burrow]

its stability seems bad 😦

[trim hemlock]

There’s nothing for Bolter in the right bottom tree IMO - I would just grab as many selfish damage nodes as possible and roll it without a keystone

[slow spade]

Stability is usually not an issue

Unless you use Opening Salvo

[inland orchid]

May ur purging be plentiful and your rations massive, glad u approve

[umbral scaffold]

Weapon Specialist sounds good on paper for Boltgun but then you realize it takes 3 seconds to take the bolter out

[slow spade]

Yeah weapon specialist is not good with bolter

[umbral scaffold]

Bolter could benefit from that brittleness thing that stacks a lot

[frank ether]

no

[whole moon]

Shattering Impact

[slow spade]

Plasma and revolver worked best imo

[frank ether]

get it from blessings

[slow spade]

But I use the plasma bug with Weapon Specialist

So idk if that counts

[umbral scaffold]

I'd say picking exec stance and the cooldown on taggable kills is a must

[frank ether]

spamming boltor isnt ideal because its weak point is ammo consumption

[umbral scaffold]

Onslaught would be useless for bolter.
You can't even get the maximum stacks from it because of 15 round mag.

[frank ether]

I'd say ideal way to play bolter is to go for deadshot surgical unironically

and dont shoot at poxwalkers

[umbral scaffold]

Unhinged

[frank ledge]

[slow spade]

Bolter is best played by unbinding your M2 and using 15 round bursts UwU

[umbral scaffold]

Okay that last one is really restricting me

[quick burrow]

tbh i dont even know what build to run on vet anymore haha to many talents

[trim hemlock]

I suppose there is one feat in the right tree that the Bolter would want - Duck and Cover for stamina replenishment, personal or for Deadshot

[umbral scaffold]

Always attack first was clearly cheating, inshallah

[spring cloud]

Dakka

[versed osprey]

what should i give my shreddeR?

[frank ether]

thats very up there, you can take it without investing deep into the tree.

yes it would pair well for deadshot

[slow spade]

Idk what you use but here's my plasma build

Ignore the red arrows

[frank ledge]

It's coming back

[umbral scaffold]

Hold [X] to barter

[frank ledge]

[versed osprey]

ha ha

[quick burrow]

i want to use some kind of autogun im tired of plasma is just so dam good

[bitter turtle]

columnus for pew pew

[frank ether]

also another note for you the focus mark keystone has a modifier that will replenish toughness and stamina

[slow spade]

Most the left's weakspot damage to Deadshot

[quick burrow]

maybe even lasgun but i guess i should play that vraks mk3 i got

[umbral scaffold]

Comp urge haters

[trim hemlock]

Pinning Fire, Blaze Away and Powderburn are all somewhat decent. Terrifying Barrage is hilarious if you want to have obscenely good control against shooters and groaners in its area of effect

[slow spade]

Its now an autogun build

[umbral scaffold]

Blaze Away + Cavalcade/Pinning Fire/Raking Fire, second blessing up for taste.
Could even go Inspiring but that's for zealot.

[slow spade]

To be fair, its a plasma build so the +20% damage is largely wasted

[versed osprey]

thanks for an actual answer

[quick burrow]

u take deadshot for auto guns?

wouldnt the bullets drain stamina to fast with rapid fire?

[bitter turtle]

iits an option

[slow spade]

I have the Ping Keystone that restores stamina on kills

[wise wren]

also best perks on power sword

[trim hemlock]

It’s not a bad idea, but you will be starved for stamina

[bitter turtle]

you can play around it with duck and dive

[wise wren]

I mean blessings

[bitter turtle]

and careful stamina management

it adds quite a lot of dps for them

[frank ether]

vet doesnt have many ways of getting high crit

[delicate moat]

imagine if u can bhop in this game

[bitter turtle]

you dont have to though

it soptional

[slow spade]

Ping keystone gives stamina on kills

[wise wren]

power cycler and rampage?

[slow spade]

Also I have a +3 stam curio

[frank ether]

you're glass cannon anyways

[slow spade]

199 base toughness so not missing it

[frank ether]

might aswell do good damage

[delicate moat]

triple +3 stam should allow u to bhop

[bitter turtle]

honestly i think everyone should run +3 stam

[umbral scaffold]

It does, deadshot is a meme because they can reach "big number in pksyhanium!!!" but in an actual game not having stamina will mean the 5 poxwalkers going for your ass will have a field day.

[bitter turtle]

i dont notice the difference dropping one of the 3 defensive ones lol

[frank ether]

I dont see a need for it on a lot of builds without deadshot in the mix

[nimble sentinel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa29726-c30a-4f57-ac9f-c429bc669d34/my-job-is-gun-lasgun-veteran?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

@quick burrow Specials die first especially flamers/bombers, otherwise you are ammo efficient enough to blast merrily into the poxwalkers

[slow spade]

In a perfect team, everyone would use only +3 stam curios because they'd never be hurt UwU

[frank ether]

I dont see what extra stam does for me most of the time

[slow spade]

Sprint more -> faster -> more plasteel

[umbral scaffold]

1 +3 stamina is pretty much mandatory on everyone except maybe Ogryn.

[delicate moat]

run further

zoomies

[slow spade]

The omnisssiah protects

[bitter turtle]

feels like it helps repositioning a lot

but that's just me

[delicate moat]

it also helps to pull some dumb revives off

[umbral scaffold]

More sprint, more push, more block, better stamina regen because it's % based.

[frank ether]

there is a point of diminishing returns for everything

[slow spade]

Also my base toughness with a +3 stam curio is 199

So I'm not missing much

[bitter turtle]

im mashing my sprint key like 80% of the time so maybe im just compensating for brainless stamina management

[slow spade]

Not if you use it UwU

[frank ether]

I like not dying in one mistake so I dont build a lot of stamina

[quick burrow]

isnt the mg1a considered the best lasgun now? mg1a > mk4>mk12 ?

or to close to matter haha

[umbral scaffold]

+3 Stamina + 40% health is what I run on my Vet. Never looked back.

[nimble sentinel]

in raw damage and one hit kills possibly, but the IV still does plenty of damage and has shots for days

[umbral scaffold]

12% stamina regen on all curios too.

[frank ether]

stam regen is good

[nimble sentinel]

just click the heads and you'll do fine

[sharp ember]

MG1a RISE

[quick burrow]

im running 1 of each 21% hp 17% tough and 3 stam

[bitter turtle]

i find gunners the easiest enemy to deal with tbh so i also run 40% hp

er wrong quote

[tardy vigil]

youve got it backwards, 1a has highest DPS, 12 has highest single damage

[frank ether]

I dont run two HP but I'll always at minimum have one

[nimble sentinel]

Ia hits the same break points as the XII now, and with a faster fire rate. You are correctn, I just ignored the XII

[frank ether]

even for deadshot

I do +6 stam

and %20 hp

[quick burrow]

dam why are all my lasgun frames stability dump wheres my mob dump at

should i aim to make a good mg1a over the mk4 then? im a vet newbie sadly

[slow spade]

Hp is useless stat imo

[quick burrow]

all i have done is run laspistol build before rework to get the sweet melkor bucks

[slow spade]

All the talents buff toughness

And higher toughness reduces chip damage which improves hp management

[nimble sentinel]

I love both but they bothb slap, go with your heart

[slow spade]

Even Ogryn shouldn't build hp

[nimble sentinel]

or whichever you already have a good role of

[quick burrow]

guess il get a good frame of each and test in the psk

[nimble sentinel]

IV is going to tax your finger more but it is slightly better with ammo and makes horde dumping viable

[quick burrow]

i mean i got this one but the low ammo feels bad

i actually run the full auto mod it makes these guns shoot like a dream

[frank ether]

I consistently see double digit IQ ogryn players finish damnation games because they can tank stupid amounts of damage

[candid tundra]

Full auto mod?

Never heard of that

[delicate moat]

no full auto in the building

[slow spade]

Yeah through damage resist not hp

[nimble sentinel]

low ammo isn't the worst thing on a las luckily and if you alreayd have full auto the IV is gonna treat you nice

[candid tundra]

Is that just a glorified autoclicker

[quick burrow]

gota save the carple for work instead

ya its a great mod makes every gun full auto on hold

[nimble sentinel]

steak dinner with a $30 bottle of wine nice

[quick burrow]

no i just hold down teh mouse button and it fires full auto style

[candid tundra]

Yeah thats an autoclicker lol

[quick burrow]

now you make me want to try that mk4

[candid tundra]

It makes a semi gun auto

[frank ether]

they have 3-4 times the raw hp value of average vet

[slow spade]

Just get Shock Trooper and the lowered ammo is not much a problem

[nimble sentinel]

GOOD

[frank ether]

and no its not about just resist

[nimble sentinel]

this channel is sleeping on it

[frank ether]

they just take a lot of damage

wouldnt be as valueable if they had like 150 hp or something

[slow spade]

Then they're shit

[karmic musk]

I go 2x Toughness +3 Stamina on all classes, fk HP

[slow spade]

Toughness is damage resist too

[frank ether]

yes thats the entire point

I had an oggy yesterday

auric damnation

[slow spade]

Yeah so stack toughness and get more damage resist

[frank ether]

guy takes 2.2k damage

[candid tundra]

Btw @slow spade did you see my question earlier or no

[frank ether]

outdamages me and the other veteran

[slow spade]

Sadly no

[frank ether]

I did 700k and that ogy did like 750k

[slow spade]

Ok and? Doesn't change the fact toughness is better for survival

[candid tundra]

Here it is @slow spade

Not to bother you or anything lol

[slow spade]

I'd go Surgical, because headhunter is unreliable in practice and there's several enemies where Headhunter is unnecessary like gunners (because you should 1-shot kill on head anyways)

[slow spade]

Np comrade

[slow spade]

Also damage is the most obvious noob trap for tracking damage

You basically just said to me "so? I killed a lot of poxwalkers >:)"

I don't give a shit about hordes lmao

At least mention your elite and specialists kills or damage taken

[quick burrow]

dam the first good on bricked

[slow spade]

At least you got ghost if you want to meme

[humble nova]

Hadron taketh, and Hadron taketh

[candid tundra]

Gotcha

[quick burrow]

dems the breaks

[slow spade]

Yeah the main advantage of Surgical is its a 10% crit stacking that's reliable + easy to get

While headhunter gives 20%, that's literally just 0.4s or 0.6s for Surgical

[novel nimbus]

I'm away from home for 2 weeks, is veteran tree gonna be fixed by the time I'm back home?

[karmic musk]

No

[paper anchor]

No

[slow spade]

I'm dming Fatshark to remove Survivalist as we speak

[novel nimbus]

Damn 😔

[kind scarab]

Nah

[karmic musk]

Remove Grenade Stockpile too while you are at it

[kind scarab]

If anything, It's gonna be worse

[novel nimbus]

Oh emperor oh fuck

[kind scarab]

Nerfing middle tree next major patch

[frank ether]

if you don't have deadly accurate 4 siphon that 3, if not you can meme with ghost I guess

[kind scarab]

And indirectly nerfing right tree, by making it actually work the way it says it works.

[frank ether]

deadly accurate not a great blessing by just itself you need headhunter along with it

so its a brick because of that

[slow spade]

Left tree gets bugged Exhilarating Takedown again because funny

[slow spade]

Na surgical works with it too

[topaz lance]

I am for this

[frank ether]

on a kantrael...

I'll pass

[slow spade]

Ah thought this was for the Vraks dude

[frank ether]

oh for vraks hell yea surgical

[slow spade]

A shame only Helbore gets Surgical

[serene sage]

What is it this time?

[karmic musk]

Revolver

[quick burrow]

think this build is okay for the mk4 lasgun? or are keystones worth now?

[frank ether]

infantry las doesnt get surgical?

interesting

[slow spade]

Na it works fine now, but I don't like sharpshooters so they should get the bugged one again

[karmic musk]

Get Suppression Immunity

[thick rose]

rrrrrrr

[quick burrow]

id have to lose onslaught i suppose

[strange grove]

I know this makes me a shithead, but training poxbursters on people is hilarious

[karmic musk]

Don't really need it

Supression is real noticeable with standard las

[thick rose]

getting trash guns is starting to make me sad. gameplay so good. and still such unrewarding loot.

[frank ether]

we kick people who do that at the end of missions

[nimble sentinel]

with the gunner spam in aurics, you absolutely do need it

[quick burrow]

fair

[strange grove]

I try and only do it if I don't think I can push and I'm low toughness

[frank ether]

or people who shoot barrels near you on purpose, consistently

[karmic musk]

I don't cuz I'm a Helbore enthusiast

[quick burrow]

ok i dropped onslaught and went further down the middle to take the tag keystone

[nimble sentinel]

valid but this is an MGIV build

[strange grove]

or my shout is down, if shout is up then bursters are a non issue

[frank ether]

I dont rly care if its like low levels or tier 3 missions

[karmic musk]

You can just remove everything on the right and get middle keynode tbh

[frank ether]

but I dont appreciate tomfoolery on auric games

[strange grove]

I only play damn, standard tho auric too hardcore

[quick burrow]

thats what i did

no point keeping it without onslaught

[karmic musk]

Standard Damn is chill with the occasional hi-intensity, best gameplay

[nimble sentinel]

Marvelous, Now remember—despite what everyone here says—you have a fast firing lasgun with nearly infinite ammo if you click their heads

SHOOT THE HORDES

[frank ether]

please dont be the guy who magdumps at poxwalkers

[nimble sentinel]

See em at a distance? SHOOT

[sharp ember]

do it because it looks badass

[forest scaffold]

please don't shoot the hordes

[frank ether]

learn to use your melee

[quick burrow]

im gonna magdump 2 mags

[nimble sentinel]

Shambling up to you? SHOOT

[forest scaffold]

please don't shoot the hordes

[karmic musk]

I do that with Laspistol, real infinite ammo

[forest scaffold]

please don't shoot the hordes

[nimble sentinel]

Nearly up in your grill? SHOOT

[frank ether]

please don't shoot the hordes

[nimble sentinel]

You hear the sound effect from getting melee hit? THEN you swap to melee, clear them out, find the next group away from you, and SHOOT

[quick burrow]

dont worry i hit dem poxers i love this thing

[forest scaffold]

please don't shoot the hordes

[kind musk]

I don't take orders from you. You're not my real father. I'll shoot the hordes!

[strange grove]

braced auto has entered the chat

[forest scaffold]

Kinda funny, me saying this.

[sharp ember]

let them fall on your bayonet before you consider melee

[forest scaffold]

I regularly shoot hordes as Ogryn

Can't kill maulers without killing a few poxwalkers

[karmic musk]

infantry auto has entered the chat. Braced auto has left the chat.

[forest scaffold]

And jesus christ why are there so many fucking maulers

[frank ether]

as long as you do it with some clothes on

[sharp ember]

karking kickback grapeshot

[forest scaffold]

Or gorgo

with 6 cleave

[sharp ember]

it has WHAT

[nimble sentinel]

and if your teammates are running super duper ammo inefficient builds? SHit well I guess it's melee time cause you're not getting any more ammo

[quick burrow]

or.,...should i take this with the lasgun and become a meme ?

[kind musk]

Shoot the hordes and melee the poxbursters !!!

[forest scaffold]

You can shoot through dreg ragers with it

Let alone horde enemies

[sharp ember]

THAT'S THREE BRUISERS

[delicate moat]

i love when assail user assails the poxburster u are pushing

[frank ether]

remove assail

[empty heron]

This could be an option if you like tagging

[forest scaffold]

And now you understand why I'm magdumping mixed hordes as ogryn

[frank ether]

grr

[sharp ember]

stares at my mk3 helbore with like 2 cleave mass