veteran-class

[dark flower]

no

[ruby hull]

final answer

[dark flower]

noop

[ruby hull]

which are you? poop or noop?

[languid escarp]

nah

[idle pecan]

what on this should i change

[mystic belfry]

ug, do I gamble 668 plasteel on this lmao

[dark flower]

zoot

yes

[celest vine]

Theyre good

[languid escarp]

perks

[celest vine]

But cost too much to get to

[mystic belfry]

If it's not brutal or cycler it's junk

[idle pecan]

which perks

[stray storm]

Change one of the perks to +Flak or manic

[celest vine]

No

Its done

Its over

[languid escarp]

carapace and maniac damage imo

[mystic belfry]

Perfect roll true

[dark flower]

you have the highest chance of t4 on orange

[languid escarp]

I cant live without those 2 perks

[dark flower]

so

roll it again

[celest vine]

If you take a power sword you should take krak grenades

[mystic belfry]

... Why?

[celest vine]

Gives you one hit on heavy enemies

[dark flower]

weird take

[stray storm]

Anti everything I guess

[mystic belfry]

my man

Power sword two-taps em

[stable goblet]

y'all say the weirdest shit here

[celest vine]

But at range?

[idle pecan]

so the blessings are good? like the best specific (not counting tiers) blessings i can get

[mystic belfry]

Why do I need to kill a crusher at ranger

[dark flower]

bro they just move out of the way

[mystic belfry]

What are they gunna do, yell at me?

[languid escarp]

no

[idle pecan]

oh

[celest vine]

Cause theres never less then 4

[dark flower]

and frags unironically are better vs groups of crusher

[celest vine]

Make it less than 4 at range

[mystic belfry]

I can handle like 6 crushers at once no problem

it's a pretty safe weapon

[celest vine]

Big boom

[mystic belfry]

Reduced block cost and you cancel the charge into a block

[languid escarp]

but your perks are not good and changing perks is more impactful than changing blessings

[dark flower]

ascend

[languid escarp]

it's not a good drop

[mystic belfry]

Ancient

[dark flower]

you can charge while blockef

blocking

[mystic belfry]

I just said that

[dark flower]

there is a fraction of s second

it's not a cancel

[mystic belfry]

Yeah it is

You can just be blocking first too and it auto-resumes

[dark flower]

it's literally charging while remaining blocked it's not a cancel

[mystic belfry]

The block stops for a brief moment then goes back up

[dark flower]

by brief you mean nearly 0 seconds

[celest vine]

It still takes time

[mystic belfry]

Brief, as in a short period of time

[celest vine]

[mystic belfry]

it's a cancel

[celest vine]

Time is time

[dark flower]

nope

[celest vine]

Yes

[dark flower]

nope

[mystic belfry]

Too late, you already got bonked

[grand sable]

Benis

[dark flower]

nah

[dark flower]

eepy

[delicate estuary]

dump stat on chainsword?

[mystic belfry]

Damage ||mobility||

[celest vine]

Shred

[dapper vessel]

Mobility

[celest vine]

Is good

Shoots well

[mystic belfry]

pew pew

[delicate estuary]

this is on my off vet what blessings do I yeet on it. Dont feel like rolling a good chainsword

[mellow grove]

oh god help me squaded up with 3 xbox psykers

[mystic belfry]

Savage sweep or rampage probably

[delicate estuary]

can roll both honestly

it rolled elites and maniacs

which covers all your melee bases

somewhat

[mystic belfry]

eh

[trim steppe]

Godspeed friend

[mystic belfry]

Cool beans

[golden axle]

Whoever advocated Raking Fire to me for the Columnus the other day, thank you cuz hooboy that's spicy.

[celest vine]

Rolled this a bit ago

Gotta change shred

[trim steppe]

I feel like bloodletter is good too... I have bloodletter on my zealot's chainsword that I haven't bothered to spend resources on yet. The bleed kills mutants immediately after a heavy special

[mystic belfry]

It's not

[trim steppe]

But I have tested it zero

[celest vine]

Bloodletter is fun

[golden axle]

how many hits does the saw apply before the final tick? (for the purposes of thunderous)

[celest vine]

Smoke grenades should be transformed into vortex grenades

[languid escarp]

smoke grenade should utilize white phosphorus

[trim steppe]

What's causing my chainsword to 1shot mutants if its not bloodletter?

[mystic belfry]

Moxie

[celest vine]

Bloodletter does that

Also good for scab captains

Cause bleeds retain through shields

So theyll still lose health

[languid escarp]

assassination missions are kinda easy anyway

[golden axle]

(screams in monstrosity maelstrom)

[delicate moat]

i love when my special action gets stuck on one single poxwalker instead of the target i want to hit

[odd summit]

Duck and Dive and Deadshot being on opposite sides of the tree pains me in ways i simply cannot describe

[paper whale]

is the deadshot talent useless if im using the recon lasgun?

[midnight mortar]

Yeah it's not a good idea to run deadshot on rapid fire weapons.

It's not "useless" but it isn't very useful.

Every shot is draining your stamina.

And each individual shot doesn't have that high of a damage ceiling with crits.

[paper whale]

alrighty ty

[hearty panther]

give me ten minutes and he's mine

[serene sage]

pop quiz: does anyone want to take a wild guess what weapon the two psykers are using?

hint: look at ammo count

[delicate moat]

columnus vs purg?

[serene sage]

no and no

[midnight mortar]

Revolver versus assail?

[serene sage]

assail yes

[delicate moat]

vraks?

[serene sage]

good job, no to revolver
also assail is not a weapon

[midnight mortar]

assail is not a weapon
It may as well be, let's be real here.

[serene sage]

vraks can do better than 11 small packs, 6 big packs and lowest damage

[steel quarry]

this worth buying will be almost 30 so it'd be sort of a starter weapon

[midnight mortar]

The numbers speak for themselves.

[serene sage]

pretty solid!

[delicate moat]

hey you never know, could be spamming hordes

[serene sage]

kek

it was recon

yall should have known

smh my head

[delicate moat]

oh i forgor psyker had access to it...

[midnight mortar]

Oh god

I forgot too.

Jesus.

[delicate moat]

never seen a psyker use it

[midnight mortar]

^

[serene sage]

the other psyker is trauma

who played very well

trauma assail

[serene sage]

well there's the reason why

[vale ledge]

FINALLY GOT THE SET

[midnight mortar]

Congratulations.

[vale ledge]

I am SOOOO depressed

From having to get that On Overwatch penance

[midnight mortar]

It's been fixed.

[serene sage]

is this the full penance set?

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[serene sage]

sick!

[vale ledge]

And thank god too

I now never have to play on malice Difficulty again

Back to Auric for me

[serene sage]

i wish im not such a basic bitch this is vet since forever

[delicate moat]

i've went back to some of the very basic penance cosmetics with the scarves

[pure chasm]

hi, does this perk restore toughness on ranged kills too?

[serene sage]

yes, nade kills as well

[pure chasm]

wow that's kinda poggers

[tall torrent]

Wait so this skill is for every kill u get (no matter what source), u get 3.5% toughness?

[serene sage]

by the way with fire team you get unconditional +20% melee damage

[midnight mortar]

It's for Toughness Replenishment.

[serene sage]

yes sir it's really good

[midnight mortar]

Meaning it increases the amount of toughness you already earned from killing.

[delicate moat]

wait, what?

[midnight mortar]

You already receive x toughness replenishment on kill at base.

[tall torrent]

Damn gonna try it out then

[pure chasm]

HUH i want 20% melee damage from fire team

[tall torrent]

What?

[serene sage]

10 + 5 +5 = 20

quick maf

[delicate moat]

oh the connecting nodes

[tall torrent]

I can’t afford the 10% melee, so sad

It’s either 10% melee or field improv or tag keystone toughness refill

[dark flower]

field improv not worth it

my favorite image

[pure chasm]

is this node good

[dark flower]

depends

[tall torrent]

I found it very helpful personally

[wanton dawn]

Man i was gonna joke that you better not have field improv instead

[pure chasm]

would need a bleed build?

[dark flower]

no

[mystic belfry]

I do kinda like this scoreboard more tbh

[tall torrent]

Why not

[delicate moat]

super good on mercy killer knife

[dark flower]

just depends

do you melee focus or is this hybrid build

what melee do you run

[pure chasm]

oh
i see
im running weapons specialist with revolver and mk 4 devil's claw

[serene sage]

isn't it additive?

[dark flower]

take it

[serene sage]

with Out for Blood

without out for blood

[dark flower]

claw is fast and doesn't instakill everything so it gets significant use out of bleed damage

[dapper vessel]

I run it on my power sword

[wanton dawn]

Cuz 10% melee passively is as much of a "luxury" than field improv in my book.

[dapper vessel]

so I can pad my melee DAMAGE even more

[delicate moat]

[dark flower]

i unconditionally run it on melee builds anyway because it's

[tall torrent]

I could sacrifice the keystone toughness regen maybe

[dark flower]

free damage and onslaught

[mystic belfry]

Melee fun

[dark flower]

but

[serene sage]

ranged kill with Out for Blood

[wanton dawn]

Also for some reason all ppl that say they cant "reach" something all have field improv

[mellow grove]

man if it comes between plasma and boltor both really top tier roll I can carry my team better with plasma since I dont reload as much

[dark flower]

I guess they either don't play damnation or get extremely lucky

[delicate moat]

ngl that seems kinda sad

[serene sage]

no it's really not

out for blood is severely underrated imo

[mystic belfry]

it's quite good

[dark flower]

out for blood is good

[mystic belfry]

"kill"

There's no asterisk here

any kill

[dark flower]

ok no that's not what it does

[delicate moat]

[serene sage]

what does it do then?

[dark flower]

the asterisk is that the kill has to produce toughness

[mystic belfry]

Well yeah not poxwalkers

[delicate moat]

what

[dark flower]

any toughness regen at all is affected

[torn gorge]

your horde combo is a 2hit kill on everything that isnt an elite so bleed is kinda ehhh

[serene sage]

wait but I regen on ranged kills

[dark flower]

exhilarating takedown headshots
coherency

[pure chasm]

i have another question, are there any absolute must-have nodes for basically any build

[serene sage]

ranged kills don't give toughness normally

[delicate moat]

i love fatshark description

[dark flower]

confirmed kill

[dark flower]

you r dum

[dark flower]

it says the truth it's just not extremely indepth

let's put it this way

[dapper vessel]

confirmed kill

[wanton dawn]

Ck, survivalist, 6s ult on special kill

[torn gorge]

[dapper vessel]

I have since moved on from using Survivalist

[bold sierra]

[dark flower]

it is a flat 3.5% bonus to the value of toughness you receive

[bold sierra]

ok so i got power cycler

do I keep supercharge or rampage

[dark flower]

exhilarating becomes 18.5%

[dapper vessel]

I will now force everyone to adapt to a non survivalist Vet in the team

[mellow grove]

pain

[wanton dawn]

Well, surv is more of a wrapping skill

[dark flower]

do you understand now

[dapper vessel]

Keep rampage

[dark flower]

ramp

[mystic belfry]

I still only use ammo aura with my support builds

[bold sierra]

ok swag

[serene sage]

honestly I still don't

[mystic belfry]

I melee so much I don't ever run out of ammo regardless

[bold sierra]

when the power is cycled

[serene sage]

ranged kills will give you 3.5%
melee will give you extra 3.5%
nade will will you 3.5%

[wanton dawn]

I always run surv if there is no other vet with it

[dark flower]

if you regen 100 toughness normally in one kill
out for blood gives you 35 more

[hearty panther]

no

[mystic belfry]

No

[dark flower]

yes.

[serene sage]

so ranged kills give you no extra toughness?

[mystic belfry]

Its gives +3.5% of your max toughness

Regardless of what the effect normally gives

[hearty panther]

it is to be taken in its most literal sense

[dark flower]

do I have to pull up the math again

[wanton dawn]

Do it

[serene sage]

i really dont get it
im testing in the grinder right now,
everythign i do give me a flat 3.5% change toughness

[dark flower]

also i missed a .

[wanton dawn]

Yes you have

[dark flower]

Mobile typing sucks

[wanton dawn]

Yes it does

[dapper vessel]

lmao

I was so fucking confused

[hearty panther]

yea i dont care for field improve

now bacon of purity? i love my bacon

[wanton dawn]

Makes for fun final event for me

[hearty panther]

my sweet pure bacon

[dark flower]

if the number seems off in something that simple it's because phone keyboard eucks

sucks

[dapper vessel]

I run field improv always

[dark flower]

me hand ogryn size

[twilit kelp]

is Exhilarating Takedown finaly patched?

[hearty panther]

very underrated

[dapper vessel]

yes

[hearty panther]

every time i bring up the pure bacon people just shit on it

[dark flower]

like

[hearty panther]

i am immensely saddened that there are individuals who think loner is better than bacon

theyre really missing out on that sweet meat

[dapper vessel]

now I just need to keep reminding people

That I can heal corruption

[dark flower]

let me retype the example with clear references and slower so i don't typo

[wanton dawn]

Never seen other ppl than me abusing it

[dapper vessel]

yet they still refuse to drop medipacks

REDVERSE YOU PIECE OF SHIT

[hearty panther]

you dont really need to make examples with Out For Blood

every kill gifts you 3.5% toughness regen

if you have other effects that also give you Toughness then it's just tacked on

it's not a boost or anything

[wanton dawn]

That's your fault for assuming ppl will play around field improv

[serene sage]

yeah doesn't it does exactly what it says on the tin?

[hearty panther]

yea

[swift ingot]

Big bomba for Ogryn is awesome but I prefer rock

[hearty panther]

which is strangely unintuitive

[swift ingot]

Love me rock

[serene sage]

kills give you 3.5% toughness back

[hearty panther]

but it really is just 'toughness on kills'

[dapper vessel]

Im trying to be a support player also

[serene sage]

idk why people are making the distinctions

[hearty panther]

people assume it means melee, some assume it only boosts toughness gained from other kills like melee or CK

but nope

[wanton dawn]

That is DEFINITELY your fault then

[hearty panther]

just 3.5% on a kill

[bright coyote]

if ur not on survivalist play a different class at that point idk

[mystic belfry]

if you get 10%, you get 13.5%

if you get 1% you get 4.5%

if you get 100% you get 103.5%

[delicate moat]

the best support player in pubs is the true solo player

[dapper vessel]

I dont play Survivalist anymore

Im FORCING everyone to adapt to having no ammo

[wanton dawn]

This but unironically

[hearty panther]

this message brought to you by a solo auric damn player

[mystic belfry]

Tough luck about the other vet in the lobby running it

[hearty panther]

it is and it isnt

[wanton dawn]

*the bot

[hearty panther]

two good players can snoozefest the game

[dapper vessel]

I run premades with Ancient. He can attest to having no ammo on during mid missions

[wanton dawn]

Or get ambushed by same sneaky crusher

[pure chasm]

why r crushers so quiet

[delicate moat]

they have stealth ability

[hearty panther]

theyre full of helium

[mystic belfry]

They oil and pad their armor

Stealth hammer zealot basically

[delicate moat]

i need to do this more

[fast scaffold]

It's the most effective way to increase your score

[delicate moat]

idk how i never thought of it in game

[serene sage]

i do this

just kd i dont

[mystic belfry]

The one thing that still gets me sometimes is when one crusher (that I can't see yet) swing their hammer through another crusher and bonks me

[delicate moat]

LOL

[fast scaffold]

Rage cage

[hearty panther]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PlainCrepuscularHamNotATK-70CtEdEZ2Fuw95zI

this kind of shit

[serene sage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164203072688509040/1173501192672919604/a.mp4?ex=656d69a6&is=655af4a6&hm=7359f894bd8ab24afba4f8cbb1327dcdc6cf417a2372007667cab0762bfebc3f&

[mystic belfry]

What happens if you put two psyker walls up at the same time you push a burster, without room to land

[hearty panther]

the above happens

[bright ocean]

Or a Mauler hiding inside a Crusher or Bulwark.

[hearty panther]

they just keep slip and sliding

[fast scaffold]

You shoot barrels to team kill, I get through 90% of the revive animation then drop you after everyone else moves on, we are not the same

[hearty panther]

for fucking ever

[mystic belfry]

Nice

[fleet garden]

oh ye hiding inside that crusher

[mystic belfry]

Nobody expects the chest burster attack

This move was invented by hook rats

[hearty panther]

yea i have

[mystic belfry]

On a side note

[hearty panther]

i like it but i mean

idk

[swift ingot]

Hey lads, how are y’all doing?

[hearty panther]

desperado yknow

[mystic belfry]

it hurts my eyes every time I see someone spamming slide to move forward in the map

Boys, this ain't warzone

[hearty panther]

just feels like other blessings still take it further

[gusty bison]

Iz good for ur stamina

[fleet garden]

did that all the time in destiny

[dapper vessel]

Desperado is slept on I feel

[wanton dawn]

15% corruption resist would have saved you

[serene sage]

I want to see an Auric game where 4 good players trying their harderst to be absolute dicks to each other

[fleet garden]

its ingrained

[hearty panther]

but i like walking cool 😦

[delicate moat]

iz good against the insta shooting sniper

[serene sage]

zealot said no

[mystic belfry]

They'll just shoot you when your slide is done smh

[hearty panther]

if you want 'slept on' the answer is Agile Engagement

[fleet garden]

hunter main represent

[delicate moat]

at least not always walking

[pure chasm]

im using this with weapons specialist big fan

[fast scaffold]

It's really fun if everyone is trying to be toxic, it's like in lfd2 when everyone trys to rush, or gunning each other down so only one of us escapes at the finale

[serene sage]

probaly just due to its location being sadge

[dapper vessel]

I dont run agile engagement

[dark flower]

i wouldn't have any issues in my runs with Mal except

[hearty panther]

not running Agile Engagement and Close and Kill throwing nocap frfr

[swift ingot]

Trying out something other than the Laspistol for once, this setup may be inefficient but it’s really damn fun

[hearty panther]

yeah bots actually stay in coherency

[wanton dawn]

Reaching agile is costly. Simple as that

[hearty panther]

pretty impressive

[fleet garden]

yep sure love two ogryns that will block everything

[hearty panther]

stop crutching on survivalist

[fleet garden]

especially when you press exe stance

[dapper vessel]

we love playing with randoms

[swift ingot]

What do y’all think?

[dark flower]

this motherfucker not only has bad ping

[dapper vessel]

oh fuck OFF

PERISH

DIE

!!!

[dark flower]

but he drags me into suboptimal ping

and with randoms

then

he dies

[wanton dawn]

Stop trying to sell me not taking fire team

[dark flower]

and if he dies

[dapper vessel]

@dark flower taking away your cute privilege

[dark flower]

i have to pick him up

[fast scaffold]

I'm playing wifi, but I promise I'm sitting next to the router and it's not even that bad

[dark flower]

and you know

[hearty panther]

fire team is boss i aint gonna fault that ur ok

[dark flower]

it was fine when we duo queue

no problem there right mak

Mal

[dapper vessel]

mak

[hearty panther]

yea holy shit i thought i was misreading when i saw that node was 10% melee

"must be a typo"

nope

[dark flower]

the real problem Mal

[hearty panther]

actual fkn 10% for one point

[dark flower]

was when we. brought

[dark flower]

FUCKING REDVERSE

[wanton dawn]

The issue is mostly that if you wanna reach all the good stuff you have 0 spare at all

[dapper vessel]

"That healing will REALLY come in handy right now does it"

I fucking

RUN FIELD IMPROV FOR THE BOYS

[dark flower]

and if

[dapper vessel]

AND HE REFUSES TO DROP IT

[hearty panther]

what good stuff can you not get

[dapper vessel]

THAT PIECE OF SHIT

[dark flower]

FUCKIN REDVERSE

[hearty panther]

vet is hella cracked

[swift ingot]

Exactly

[dark flower]

didn't NOT use the medicae

not only would you not have died

[swift ingot]

Here’s hoping that the bolt pistol gets added sometime soon

[hearty panther]

im always wondering what bizzaro world vet people want to play and cant anymore

[dark flower]

i wouldn't have been so hurt

[steel quarry]

whats a good melee to pair with laspistol?

[wanton dawn]

And agile is also a point

[dark flower]

any

[mystic belfry]

ps6

[swift ingot]

Chainsword or ps6

[hearty panther]

and i assume this vet runs kraks, spare grenade, two grenade regens, survivalist, ck, iron will, rending, and trench fighter. somehow.

[dark flower]

any.

[dapper vessel]

@dark flower Funniest thing after I died is when he got pox hounded

[steel quarry]

thank yas

[dapper vessel]

and you have to SAVE HIS SORRY LITTLE ASS

running the entire fucking map

[mystic belfry]

I'm not a chainsword fan either

[swift ingot]

I’m a chainsword enjoyer

[dark flower]

i should have let him die

[mystic belfry]

It's good, it's just boring

[dapper vessel]

then he payed us both

BY LETTING US BOTH DIE

[dark flower]

so I could pick up the medicae

because he literally let me Go down

[hearty panther]

its true i once saw azreal spraypaint "chainsord sukz" on a bathroom stall

ok that mod autofilter is fair

[tardy vigil]

playing range CIAG vet and not being able to take any of the reload perks or nade regen* is pain

[dapper vessel]

Lmao this is true

[hearty panther]

how is it pain

[wanton dawn]

In any case, i am pretty much solo build this patch. Nothing like variety !

[dark flower]

and then mal

[hearty panther]

youre using one of the best ranged weapons in the game with the best ranged buffs

[fast scaffold]

Nuh uh it wins me the game it does that very well

[dark flower]

he did it again to me and onion

while we were laggy

thanks to u

[dapper vessel]

LMAO

[mystic belfry]

I like to run support so my teammates can let me down :)

[dark flower]

i hate REDVERSE

[swift ingot]

Even as an avid chainsword enjoyer, I can agree with this, but I still rock it nonetheless

[dapper vessel]

the fucking region reset is something I wasnt aware off

[dark flower]

by nature

[tardy vigil]

reload is just long enough that keeping that exec chain going can be tricky at times

[dark flower]

but Mal i hate you

because you are DUM

[dapper vessel]

Red is a good player

[wanton dawn]

I support my team by providing the most damage !

[dapper vessel]

Red isnt a GOOD TEAMPLAYER

[tardy vigil]

but with one of the reload perks, 100% uptime for aslong as there's shit to shoot

[wanton dawn]

Most of the time

[dark flower]

yeah in solo games

[gusty bison]

Uh. What are u taking atm

A reload perk should be 1 talent tops

[pure chasm]

i use revolver on 3 classes because of this 🫡

[swift ingot]

Me with Laspistol for the absolute longest fucking time

[dark flower]

the issue is that i literally built explicitly to support team

[wanton dawn]

I dont play melee vet rn

[hearty panther]

and you're only losing to kickback because you brought ammo regen to the fight

[dark flower]

and that doesn't happen when

[gusty bison]

Oh thats why

[vague charm]

yo is this worth?

[gusty bison]

Wait

[dark flower]

ur bitch ass

[wanton dawn]

I play CC vet

[gusty bison]

Ur running DnD and no deadshot

Why

[mystic belfry]

ye

[dapper vessel]

bitch

[dark flower]

is literally running off too and also speed boosting him

[dapper vessel]

you know that Field Improv is saving your ass

lmao

[tardy vigil]

hate the stam drain of deadshot

[dapper vessel]

I just fucking know that if Red's in the team

[pure chasm]

hmmm

[dapper vessel]

I have to keep up with this guy's W key

[gusty bison]

Also thats srsly too much damage boosting for a CIAG ngl

[dark flower]

yeah when i have 700ms ping on asian server it is saving me

[dapper vessel]

or else he malds over his team not keeping up

[dark flower]

no you just let him mald

[swift ingot]

This is the setup I’ve been rocking with Laspistol as of late

[serene bough]

trusty lasguns my favorite

[dapper vessel]

this is tempting

especially after that last time

[dark flower]

he literally built for maximum speed and runs off without a care

let him

[dapper vessel]

ye of little faith in me tanking a Daemonhost

[dark flower]

yeah

[swift ingot]

EXE stance is yucky, VoC for life

[hearty panther]

5k laspistol shots will never not make me laugh

[tardy vigil]

it deletes range from existence which is exactly what i needed it to do

[gusty bison]

Frankly you can literally shave 8 talent points off the left tree and you wont even notice

[hearty panther]

32 reapers per magazine

[gusty bison]

You already do without needing that much investment

Like this is the definition of overinvestment in one area

[swift ingot]

Love me middle keystone

Aka Blessed Combat

[hearty panther]

goofy fun shit you can do with right keystone and a fast draw weapon

[wanton dawn]

It was p14 all along

[hearty panther]

deadshot, take the stam regen on melee specialist proc, kill something, swap to melee then back to ranged, use the stam regen to keep juicing your deadshot lol

[wanton dawn]

Imagine the least gimmick tree being the strongest

[hearty panther]

tag keystone is incredibly strong

[wanton dawn]

Even with born leader

[fleet garden]

is this the columnus 5?

[viral nacelle]

I hate it tho

[swift ingot]

Witch Hunter Captain maxing

[mystic belfry]

Damage, toughness, and stamina

What more do you need

[hearty panther]

the toughness and stamina is pretty mid tbh

[wanton dawn]

GIMMICKS

[hearty panther]

its the damage with redirect fire

it's wild

[gusty bison]

mIddLe KeYstOne iS SitUatIonAl

[serene bough]

gimmicks are fun

[viral nacelle]

Something cooler than spamming tag on everything

[serene bough]

extra effort for half the damage

[tardy vigil]

tried that and noticed a very strong difference between low, mid, and high stack on the keystone when dealing with crushers/maulers. with this setup i can very very efficiently melt them before they reach the frontline if i have the stacks set up

[mystic belfry]

gimmick is spamming mark nonstop to spam your allies with the ping noise

[dark flower]

channeling Darcy

[hearty panther]

i only take the regen node for deadshot

[dapper vessel]

lmao the only worthwhile thing from the weapon spec keystone is the keystone itself and the modifier that gives back ammo

[swift ingot]

Same

[dapper vessel]

everything else is not needed

[tardy vigil]

ye

[wanton dawn]

Middle is not a gimmick. Just play normally

[hearty panther]

what's funny is like, i hear people say that its not worth getting the keystones. but the keystones are really strong. but they also arent wrong, because veteran tree as a whole is fucking insane.

[dapper vessel]

if anything the Left keystone is more gimmicky

but tbf

[viral nacelle]

Yeah but it makes pinging awkward because you want to save it for stuff that you’ll get benefit from stack dumping on

[wanton dawn]

Left and right are gimmickd

[dapper vessel]

you dont need to stand still with it

[hearty panther]

anyway what im saying is yall arent ready for the nerfs that are coming

[tardy vigil]

you really dont, just run and gun with it and it works wonders

[dark flower]

is shooting things in the head really a gimmick

[wanton dawn]

Real talk though: only noob saves it

[gusty bison]

I mean. It still melts them regardless.

[dapper vessel]

"its rude to be me"

nah I still engage with Darcy, not by choice unfortunately

[gusty bison]

Like play whatcha wany but like, there deffo is a notable decision there in that tree to sacrifice flexibility for raw damage output at thr cost of everything else

[hearty panther]

darcy was never real

[viral nacelle]

What happened?

[dapper vessel]

Banned

[hearty panther]

nothing

darcy doesnt exist

[gusty bison]

Just dont be surprised that "at the cost of everything else" comes at the cost of... well... everything else

[dark flower]

banned for being a shitter and then catfish denied appeal

[hearty panther]

it was just some sort of weird collective hallucination

[viral nacelle]

How lol, the rules here are pretty loose

[dark flower]

exactly

[viral nacelle]

That must have been some incredible effort to get banned

[dapper vessel]

Lmao I was laughing at how strangely coherent the appeal is

not the usual weird talk

[hearty panther]

darcy flew too close to the stupid sun

[dark flower]

yeah she dropped the act

for a minute

[dapper vessel]

the dementia was cured

[dark flower]

because she was negatively affected

[dapper vessel]

before its overwhelming power took over again

[hearty panther]

and only using three weapons

pretty sure that qualifies as some sort of mental illness

[viral nacelle]

Ban for insane lack of grass touching

[dark flower]

didn't you notice the

[junior grail]

Darcy is like a faint memory now

[dark flower]

trauma dumping

[mystic belfry]

I envy that level of free time

[fallow beacon]

What are the blessings you want on a plasma gun?

[dapper vessel]

One thing I know for sure about her issues is her Father issues

[dark flower]

gets hot blaze away

[hearty panther]

the only person i miss who is gone is crab

crab was one of like six people who actually had useful shit to say that he could back up

[swift ingot]

I miss my pal Biff

[tardy vigil]

saving 8-12 rounds per crusher (not including rounds back from survivalist, so add 6) is pretty big imo for ammo eco when trying to maximize time shooting, not to mention the melting potential on bosses. I know where you're coming from though as this is a hyper-spec build

[junior grail]

Crab is gone??

[fallow beacon]

[dark flower]

crab left by choice he can come back at any time

[hearty panther]

yeah i know

and i miss him

come back, my egg-butt baby

[dapper vessel]

Crab was the best of us

[dark flower]

crab died for our sins

[gusty bison]

Ergo why it cant pick up rld speed

[devout atlas]

i wanna do an agri brauto build what should I do :P

[gusty bison]

Because its so hyperspec min maxed into one aspect

[junior grail]

You either leave like a Crab or get banned like a Darcy

[dapper vessel]

FRIENDLY FIRE

FRIENDLY FIRE

FRIENDLY FIRE

[dark flower]

why do you think i keep ignoring the server

[fading grove]

the amount of boneheaded five seconds which turn an easy damnation run into a total failure is pissing me off. Like I just turn around and everyone's dead

[junior grail]

Still awaiting the day we can have True Private

[dark flower]

this is mental illness

[gusty bison]

Imagine not using recon

[junior grail]

I heard there's a mod you can use your classes as bots?

[junior grail]

With Marksman Focus?

[dapper vessel]

YOU BITCH

PERISH

[gusty bison]

Of course

[dark flower]

I'm not wrong

[junior grail]

6d still,nI assume?

[gusty bison]

Yes

[junior grail]

I heard some advocate for dumdum instead of Infernus, not sure if better

[gusty bison]

Yes

[dapper vessel]

Dumdum

[junior grail]

Thankies

[viral nacelle]

I had a run today where team went untouched til we go cocky and someone tagged a barrel next to a ledge and KO’d half the team and sent the other two of us into an absolute lake of fire nades 😂 1 bonehead shot and the run is done

[gusty bison]

Its best with V7

Ciag doesnt like it that much but isnt bad at it

Only on headshot kills

So gotta spray horde for that

[viral nacelle]

The left side shooty tree has that nice lasgun benefit and I want to make it work with them but it just really doesn’t

[gusty bison]

It does stack fast with horde spraying ye

[dark flower]

my favorite thing is 2tapping crushers with the vraks 7

[gusty bison]

Its not

Its better if u can hit heads

Cos vet gets way more weakspot and finesse multipliers

And also crit chance

[torn gorge]

i wouldnt be so stoked about left capstone for spray and pray weapons ye

[dark flower]

wrong opinion

[fleet garden]

im not even using a capstone

[gusty bison]

Vet can get up there too.

[viral nacelle]

Honestly trading the capstone for some melee power would probably be good

[gusty bison]

Deadshot. Reciprocity.

[fleet garden]

max left side, grabbing top nodes middle or right

[gusty bison]

I mean

Why not

Ur not gonna run out of stam

Duck n dive is right there

[torn gorge]

you are not shooting enough if that never happens

[hearty panther]

laspistol was made for me on psyker

so fun to chase those bluebois down

[junior grail]

Ah a fellow Destiny player

[hearty panther]

lmao

yes

[junior grail]

Ooo shiny

[devout atlas]

is this good for agri brauto?

[hearty panther]

wish it prioritized better but its very fun

[junior grail]

Adhd Psyker

[hearty panther]

like sometimes there's six gunners in front of me ripping my shit apart

and DD is like

"Check out this dude taking a smoke break in the next event"

[gusty bison]

Left side feels... redundant

Brauto doesnt want suppression immunity or 30% weakspot damage

[devout atlas]

ammo is nice

[gusty bison]

That being said ur melee does like it

[devout atlas]

but yea other than that ur right

[gusty bison]

Ye. But is this worth 5 talent pts?

[devout atlas]

idk

what should i run instead :P

[gusty bison]

Middle keystone is always nice

[devout atlas]

also maybe suppression helpss with brautos spread?

idk if it does i never run them lmao

[keen sedge]

which blessing should i switch out for dumdum

[junior grail]

Ppl brace their brauto?

[gusty bison]

Sustained fire

[golden axle]

salvo is blagh

[dapper vessel]

Sustained

[keen sedge]

aight then

[dapper vessel]

It doesn't fuck up your spread like it used to

[junior grail]

I'm still prepatch mentality

[dapper vessel]

It's accurate now and helps for when you're spraying down an enemy

[gusty bison]

Yea with 5 talents u can get the whole of the mid keystone

[devout atlas]

I actually dipped out the right side since Agri Brauto doesn't gain much from the brittleness

[gusty bison]

Its ok vs crooshers

But ye

[devout atlas]

I gots da psworddd

[gusty bison]

I would personally go toughness regen over 8 stacks

But thats reallt up to u

[serene sage]

what should my last 2 points be chat

[fleet garden]

exhilirating takedown since its fixed

[gusty bison]

I would try to squeeze out one more talejt point for toughness on swap

[gusty bison]

Honestly? Mid keystone

[serene sage]

I would skip demo team and field improve for 5% health and 10% melee

[gusty bison]

The two nodes are batshit good.

[sharp ember]

+1 grenade cap

[serene sage]

10% melee on PS will give you a few breakpoints

[serene sage]

tried that

i spam nade too often to be at cap

[sharp ember]

that's good

[serene sage]

yeah im thining redirect fire and 5% melee

ive been testing this for a while but can't really decide

[gusty bison]

Lastly i would go longshot + exhil instead of confirmed kill

Yes

[serene sage]

hmm confirmed kills is still more reliable imo

[gusty bison]

Well its good if u cant hit heads

For some weapons

And it gives more gen per elite overall

[whole pelican]

im slowly going insane...

[gusty bison]

But exhil is better for this cos tdr is nice and u have toughness on button push

[whole pelican]

Im rn doing the "On overwatch" pennance

[gusty bison]

CK is better for something like a bolter

[whole pelican]

Im going actually insane trying to get it, and theres one with 90% accuracy which seems doable after the fact.

[gusty bison]

Focus on ur melee game.

Learning to do well in melee is how u get that penance, (and do better in general)

Hiding in the back is not the way to do on overwatch xD

[serene sage]

just in case, you know you can take toughness damage right?

[gusty bison]

Shout helps a lot as well when doing that penance

[serene sage]

as long as it's not health damage

[whole pelican]

I did not,

[serene sage]

overshield from shout will let you tank 2 melee hits

[whole pelican]

that helps but yeah

[serene sage]

because overshield blocks health damage

[gusty bison]

Yea you get 1 free hit

[serene sage]

and 100% shield blocks another

[gusty bison]

Basically

[serene sage]

and stagger panic button

[whole pelican]

I just want the For the emperor 3 helmet.

[gusty bison]

And shout is a great safety cos u take a hit -> shout to go back to full, and suddenly u can take another hit

[whole pelican]

;c

[gusty bison]

But yea that penance is a good chance to focus on improving ur melee game

Thats the key to getting that penance

[serene sage]

just do it on Auric T5

[whole pelican]

I heard having a ogryn shield friend helps too

[serene sage]

very easy

[gusty bison]

A little

Ultimately its down to your personal skill

[serene sage]

honestly smite psyker is more help

[gusty bison]

Damn i only got mine on normal damnation

:c

[serene sage]

damn try better :<

[whole pelican]

tbh I dont get why they locked that helmet behind For the emperor 3.

[serene sage]

otherwise you can't brag about it here

[torn gorge]

at that point are you not banking on other people protecting you for you to clear the penance though? as opposed as working on your playstyle

[gusty bison]

Almost got untouchable in the same run. ONE sneaky shooter broke my toughness dammit

[serene sage]

I got Untouchable there too 😎

let's not mention i got carried by 2 surge psykers friend

[gusty bison]

shakes fist angrily at backspawn

[whole pelican]

Tbh I am not focussed much on my veteran gameplay usually more zealot w flamer and evicirator, I just wanna make a cool looking veteran class

[rugged sorrel]

I got untouchable in a quickplay where I had 3 Ogryns following me around calling me Sah and making sure I took 0 damage

[whole pelican]

So Ill have to just cope and get better

[dapper agate]

I thought of a way to help cut down on skill point tax for the bottom of vets tree, let us skip some of the stat nodes. An extra point or 2 would be so helpful. Although there's other areas the tree could be improved upon, like the grenade stat node tax.

[gusty bison]

Yea vet melee plays diff from zealot melee

[torn gorge]

with the advent of the recolor for dockets there are alternatives

[gusty bison]

Esp if u use an eviscerator

[torn gorge]

that are based on the same model from the penance

[whole pelican]

I was thinking to just suck it up and pay the kasrkin one

[torn gorge]

evi is so disappointing though as a weapon

[rugged sorrel]

Does the complete 15 runs without going down penance track across play sessions?

[rugged sorrel]

The Evis is incredible wdym

[serene sage]

if im completely honest, vet tree is long not because of filler nodes, you kinda need them as a base but because of the insane amount of sheet talents

[whole pelican]

true

[serene sage]

some of which are quite undesirable

[whole pelican]

Its just sadge it aint a black one

at that point buy the set right

[torn gorge]

[serene sage]

many vet filler nodes are solid, if not outright OP (looking at you 10% melee)

[torn gorge]

are you an evi fan or just have not tried other weapons?

[rugged sorrel]

I've tried'em all, what do you think the Evis doesnt do well?

[serene sage]

then again you have shit like suppression and team replen

[gusty bison]

Coff kill zone coff

[dapper agate]

Yeah, there is quite a few filler skills that seem bad.

Like this one lmao. I think Zealot has this skill, but his version is like 50% toughness for melee kills, which is actually useful.

[torn gorge]

bad vs armour, fine vs hordes but not above other options such as heavy sword

[hearty panther]

you uh

[whole pelican]

Personally enjoy Evis alot other zealot melee feels icky to me personally

[torn gorge]

revved hits still puts your camera on saturn

[hearty panther]

you dont know what out for blood does huh

[whole pelican]

Preference ig

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[torn gorge]

and overall its slower at activating compared to revved chainsword

[gusty bison]

Uh.

U realize this is better than 50% extra toughness on melee kills?

[torn gorge]

i like evi attack patterns

it just has so many downsides

[gusty bison]

Like strictly better

Im every way

[torn gorge]

for not really many upsides

[humble sparrow]

hm, any changes to my kantrael 12 i should consider?

[whole pelican]

but yeah Ima try later today again for "On overwatch" and "make every shot count"

[dapper agate]

How? It's 3.5% lol. Zealot one is way more.

[gusty bison]

Zealot one is 2.5%

Ya silly

U get 5% on melee kill. +50% of that is an additional 2.5%

Vet's one is 3.5% and works on all kills

[dapper agate]

?

[gusty bison]

Yep

Zealot one is WAY WAY worse

[torn gorge]

nade, ranged, melee kills

ye

[hearty panther]

Kills (no conditional, all kills) give you 3.5% toughness regen

[dapper agate]

That doesn't make sense but ok, whatever.

[torn gorge]

not sure about environmental kills

like barrels

maybe it works with those as well

[hearty panther]

barrels is a good question

[vivid bolt]

No. This node is literally better than the zealot one.

[dapper vessel]

Hmm

[whole pelican]

my plan for make every shot count is just shoot 1x melee the rest of the time

[gusty bison]

Zealot talent gives additional 50% bonus on the normal toughness u get on melee kills.

The normal toughness is 5%

[vivid bolt]

Zealot replenishes 2.5% extra

[dapper vessel]

IIRC barrels doesn't credit a kill feed for you

So it probably doesn't work on barrel kills

[vivid bolt]

tbh its

funny how vet got the better zealot talent

kek

[torn gorge]

its an equaliser

[gusty bison]

Zealot takes EWEW anyway

[torn gorge]

vs a class oriented on full melee

[dapper vessel]

Catch a break is basically vets Loner lmao

[hearty panther]

Every single Zealot ult refreshes Toughness, so

Plus Zealot toughness on dodge node is fkn cracked

[dapper agate]

Yeah and vet gets 3.5% extra, what's the difference? I don't understand. Like 50% is bigger then 3.5%.

[serene sage]

Which one

[hearty panther]

easily the best in the game imo if we're talking melee-based regen

[hearty panther]

It's flat.

5% + 3.5%

Not 5% x 3.5%

[dapper agate]

3.5% more toughness per kill?

[vivid bolt]

3.5%

its a better blood redemption

[serene sage]

Oh yeah lol

[vivid bolt]

yes and no

[trim steppe]

50% of 5% is 2.5%, so 7.5% total. Vet is 5% + 3.5% which is 8.5%

8.5% > 7.5%

[gusty bison]

Yes. Its better.

5% + 3.5% is 8.5%

5% x1.5 is 7.5%

[hearty panther]

Kills (no conditional, all kills) gives you 3.5% toughness regen

[vivid bolt]

Shroud does but if you are wasting 3 nodes on shroud, you are fuckin stupid

[dapper agate]

Wtf, why do they word things in such a stupid way.

[hearty panther]

It's the best possible wording lol

[vivid bolt]

no

[hearty panther]

Without making it hilariously wordy for people who can't get it.

[vivid bolt]

The base is 5%. 50% of 5% is 2.5%

[dapper agate]

They really need to work on uniform descriptions

[vivid bolt]

This

is

uniform

[hearty panther]

If you read it literally it is exactly what it says.

[vivid bolt]

Like its literally simple english descriptions

[gusty bison]

I mean the wording is deliberately different for the two talents to make this clear

[hearty panther]

Not 'melee kills'

Not 'increased toughness'

'kills provide 3.5% toughness'

[trim steppe]

Kinda how 3 classes have talents that increase coherency radius. They all do exactly the same thing and all 3 have different descriptions

[hearty panther]

it's as good as it can be

[vivid bolt]

Its obv that its 3.5% increase to 5% is 8.5%

[serene sage]

In what universe 50% toughness back on a single kill is okay

[gusty bison]

P12 confirmed k-

[vivid bolt]

instead of them saying

[gusty bison]

isshot

[dapper agate]

yeah but it makes it confusing when they use different terminology basically the same kind of the same skills. Like they need to elaborate properly.

[serene sage]

Shhhhhh

[vivid bolt]

"Melee kills generate 70% more toughness on kill"

[serene sage]

You shush

[vivid bolt]

No

it isnt

it is the same shit

except one states it at a flat rate because its diff

[hearty panther]

It's not specific to melee kills and it's not specific to other toughness regen.

It's exactly what it says it is.

Kills give you 3.5% toughness regen.

[forest blaze]

😂

[vivid bolt]

also this is better because it applies to EVERY FUCKING KILL

GRENADES COUNT

[hearty panther]

Pistol whip counts.

[gusty bison]

Plasma wallbanging through 20 poxwalkers count

[vivid bolt]

grenades counting for that is absolutely fucking cracked

[hearty panther]

Bleed kills count.

[trim steppe]

I get what Morbtide is saying. It seems like a different person wrote every single talent description in the game without coordinating with each other. The game is a mess with very few clear descriptions

[gusty bison]

Plasma with this btw is absolutelt cracked

[serene sage]

People still sleep on it

[forest blaze]

It sure is

[serene sage]

So

[forest blaze]

It’s so good

[vivid bolt]

honestly

that has to be

[gusty bison]

I would take exhil over it on a vraks 7

[vivid bolt]

The best

vet node

in the worl;d

for melee

[gusty bison]

But like

[forest blaze]

I just did a AM with that, confirmed kill and exhil and felt invincible with plasma

[gusty bison]

I would take it over exhil on plasma

Yea the (take all 3 toughness nodes and say fuck keystones) is a valid option

[dapper agate]

Well anyway, Fatshark should update the skills so it isn't worded differently. Make them work the same as well, then less confusion will happen.

[forest blaze]

Still had space for focus target

[gusty bison]

Exhil + Confirmed + 3.5% is the 4th vet keystone lmao

Lmao

[trim steppe]

I argued for ET on plasma this morning and then I ran it and I don't think I proc'd it a single time all run. Maybe I just suck but it doesn't seem good on plasma. The others are great tho

[forest blaze]

Shoot things in the head

👍

[gusty bison]

Et is great cos plasma wants headshots on some breakpoints

And u collat a lot of random heads when doing so

[gusty bison]

I have a glory hunter plasma

[forest blaze]

Just kinda aim at neck level

[gusty bison]

When I shoot. My toughness bar goes to full

[forest blaze]

Stonks

[trim steppe]

I am aware of this, Im just saying what I saw when I replayed my game footage, I never saw it proc

[gusty bison]

And all my teammates go up likr a huge chunk

Its hilarious

[forest blaze]

That’s hilarious

[serene bough]

i should try plasma

i havent since P12

how do people build their plasma

[whole pelican]

The plasma gun is very fun

[gusty bison]

Gloryhunter focus target born leader plasma is what let me carry a psyker who couldnt stop taking damage through Auric without them dying lmao

[torn gorge]

it is not really obvious, if you consider some similar nodes are listed as a 50% increase

[ruby hull]

OH MY GOD

[dapper vessel]

Besides for Breakpoints and toughness regen you can run Plasma with any keystone tbh

[torn gorge]

so in that sense using additive/multiplicative adjectives would clarify

[trim steppe]

I rebound tag to left click so plasma focus target isn't annoying asf. Now I'm just annoying asf to my team

[torn gorge]

if they do want to retain the current descriptions

[ruby hull]

they really need to go in and clean out all the delays on the helbore lasrifle, they are so jarring

[forest blaze]

Also iron will 😂

[vivid bolt]

oh my literal, im going to rip my eyes out

each one

is still basic addition and multiplication

I just think that more people would go wtf 70% increase?

if it was like the zealot node

[gusty bison]

Ah mine goes survivalist + shout

[forest blaze]

Totally valid

[stone birch]

man, i look at the gear on my zealot vs the gear on my veteran and I kinda cry. my revolver on my zealot is so bad lol

[serene sage]

frag grenade is the most OP grenade of the game

[vivid bolt]

Also the fact it literally states additional is wild

[serene sage]

that's all thank you

[torn gorge]

ye it is not really that transparent but again the baseline assumption is that players know that melee kills are a flat 5% thoughness regen

which is not reminded anywhere in the UI

[vivid bolt]

tbh revolver on zealot is still powerful

[forest blaze]

Frags are literally cracked

[vivid bolt]

this i do have to say

fatshark ignores

[serene sage]

not even krak are that cracked

[forest blaze]

Lol

[vivid bolt]

like i didnt know you regen'd on kill from awhile ago

[stone birch]

oh absolutely. the revolvers themselves is what I mean. my revolver on my vet is like, just shy of a genuine god roll revolver

[gusty bison]

Grenade regen is batshit insane

[vivid bolt]

certain game mechanics are def poorly explained

[stone birch]

zealot revolver? i need a new one lol

[vivid bolt]

lol what is your zealot rev?

[forest blaze]

It’s a meme in a good way

AM with grenadier build is ridiculously good

[serene sage]

nade focus builds are great

[vivid bolt]

cause a non-perfect but great roll revolver on zealot can still 1 tap crushers (in an exceedingly awkward way)

[torn gorge]

i think there are a lot of mechanics not obvious/obscure and a better onboarding would make things easier to understand, but at the same time it would lose the wonder of discovery

in a sense

[serene sage]

imagine if they buff demo team to 7.5% because people are not taking them

[junior grail]

Nade regen talent on VoC just seals the deal for me

[serene sage]

imagine the chaos

[stone birch]

handcannon 2/ surgical 4, perks are 8% specialists and 20% maniacs. 80% damage, mobility, and reload, 70something stability, and 69%(nice) crit lol

69%

not 89%

[torn gorge]

demo team is probably one of the highest value node when you crank the difficulty up

[gusty bison]

Yeet. Yeet. Yeet. Yeet. Yeet. Yeet. Yeet. Yeet. Yeet. Yeet.

[torn gorge]

yet people prefer to take other points instead

[junior grail]

Krak Grenades will like that

[gusty bison]

It competes with iron will

And its quite deep

[torn gorge]

i wouldnt call iron will an auto pick

[forest blaze]

Agreed

[serene sage]

20+ gunners will die in 2 nades

[vivid bolt]

oh lord.

[gusty bison]

Most people take grenade regen and so demo team isnt that needed

[serene sage]

if they stakc on top of each which is often

[delicate moat]

@serene sage u know how u complained about AM teammates yesterday? what kinda teammates am i getting today

[vivid bolt]

yea the HC being T2 is screwing you

[trim steppe]

I only don't take demo team because Iron Will is it's opposite and I always take that. And I don't have any extra points on Vet. And also I have demo stockpile already so I have extras

[stone birch]

as said lol, not the best.

[torn gorge]

if i had to choose between demo team and iron will on maelstrom i would generally lean towards the former

[serene sage]

my dear friend