veteran-class

[slow spade]

Its for plasma

[stray storm]

Wtf did the ets do??

[serene sage]

im shooting ET on sight

[slow spade]

Be xenos lmao

[nimble sentinel]

Slaanesh

[astral blade]

very funny bro

[slow spade]

As if they needed to do more

[fast scaffold]

Left their goofy ass cousin on our planet

[serene sage]

thanks, your mom thinks so, too

[ivory rock]

Important reminder for all vets running focus target with the team damage buff modifier, please spam the everliving fuck out of it on enemies that you can ping 🙏 it resets the cd of the dmg and essentially means your whole team has +12% dmg (with the 8 stack modifier) as long as you keep uptime 🙏🙏 also please use it on bosses for the love of all that is holy even if it's one stack its still increased dmg and you can reset it once you reach your max 🙏🙏 thank you 🙏🙏🙏

[slow spade]

I'm unbinding my ping now

[stray storm]

Me tagging the everliving fuck out of a sniper my team fails to see

[astral blade]

in all seriousness those exil takedown is defs not gonna be my go to skill

[serene sage]

tell that to my teammates.
i have a dude who runs that talent, refuse to ping bosses
he pinged like twice in the game which is why i know he has it

[fast scaffold]

I feel like the ping ability should be a different color compared to exec stance highlight

[ivory rock]

Nah that's deadass why I'm sayin this cause I had multiple vets on my team only taggin like 3 times a game

[serene sage]

Auric Maelstrom is a shitshow right now

people dying left and right and it's 70% XB people

[civic bay]

I have a similar problem with Disrupt Destiny and Soulblaze both being blue

[ivory rock]

It's insanely good with the Stam n toughness modifier on top too, spamming it in a horde makes your team semi invulnerable

[slow spade]

At least its not actively hurting anymore

[nimble sentinel]

may I ask for your build? I have such a different view on it and wanna see where you're coming from

[ivory rock]

I tagged one on my zealot n no one would shoot the mf (I had flamer) so I ran all 70 m for his ass lmaooo

[slow spade]

They're using controller so their headshot rate is not going to be as high

[serene sage]

they are also using controller so there is that context.

[nimble sentinel]

ah yeh there you go

[mellow grove]

hell that feels like the game in general I get a lot of xbox players who play with their feet

[trim steppe]

Just curious, why krak over shredder with plasma?

[stray storm]

Me an semi decent Xbox player: 😶

[serene sage]

it's about time the weekend casual crowd hits level 30 and think they can tackle Auric

[trim steppe]

Monsters?

[serene sage]

so many 350s guns

[slow spade]

Crushers and bulwarks take a lot of ammo, best to save ammo with a regenerating instant kill

Maulers too

[serene sage]

so many 1 seal insignia (so they killed fewer than 10k enemies)

[nimble sentinel]

means I don't need plasma

[slow spade]

Krak does not replace plasma :p

[south garnet]

so what do you guys think part 2 of the update will be

[slow spade]

2nd Vet rework UwU

[serene sage]

remove crossplay

[nimble sentinel]

nobody's talking enough about lasguns in this channel and we're the only class with a talent that buffs lasguns specifically

[slow spade]

Also psyker nerfs for funnies

[south garnet]

fuck, if only

[trim steppe]

They will make the vet tree 10 nodes longer

[mellow grove]

make it opt in I'd say

[umbral scaffold]

That would be lame

[serene sage]

let the XB shitters hand out with each other

[slow spade]

Because all the lasgun talk ended quickly

[south garnet]

kek, that tree that's the same one copypasted 3 times

[umbral scaffold]

Salty boy

[slow spade]

MG la and MG4 are good, MK12 is good, Helbore users are crying

[stray storm]

I just want more toughness boosts

[slow spade]

Lmao Recon

[umbral scaffold]

Recon still fucks

[serene sage]

I am :<

[slow spade]

That's all the lasgun discussion

[south garnet]

I wonder if it's too early for them to consider opening up red gear

[quaint valve]

just not ammo efficient anymore

[ivory rock]

Ain't exil takedown still bugged?

[umbral scaffold]

I'm sending screencaps from my Xbox when I get the PC bundle

[quaint valve]

at least for auric

[slow spade]

Recon sucks ass

[nimble sentinel]

just patched today!

[umbral scaffold]

Never really was

[slow spade]

Columbus is just better recon now

[civic bay]

I think Vet tree will be soft reworked again and they’re holding off all changes until then but who knows

[ivory rock]

Wow only took em like

4 months

[umbral scaffold]

Unless you sink consistent crits but that's any lasgin

[serene sage]

Are you on Game Pass? Cause that's different

[tall torrent]

Nah
Prob new weapons

[ivory rock]

[nimble sentinel]

better late than never

[mellow grove]

shit man you cookin

[south garnet]

They will probably put out a new difficulty or mode along with red weapons so I imagine that's probably still a ways off

[stray storm]

Your opinion is invalid bcz I said so

Recon still best

[south garnet]

Like, 1 or 2 more years 'ways off'

[umbral scaffold]

I'm on PC and Xbox and I've been playing since before Nov 17th

So I should get it by what they said

[south garnet]

chaos wastes when

I'm done with your stupid story FS

I get it, heretics are snorting pixie sticks behind the bleachers

[stray storm]

Give be Uberseik 5 in Darktide fatshark

[south garnet]

^

[umbral scaffold]

Fuck really 😮

I want one

[keen sedge]

is dumdum with 5% more close range damage per hit still good?

[nimble sentinel]

check mate, heretic

[serene sage]

I mean I'm memeing.
I'm just a lil annoyed by the sheet amount of fresh 30s in Auric Maelstrom who actively make it harder to win by rushing forward triggering a bunch of stuff and die while hogging ammo.
Then again I'm a clown for not dodging the games with them on it.

[slow spade]

Yes

[umbral scaffold]

The big fix, make some friends and get private/mostly.private lobbies

[south garnet]

seen a straight up swarm of players hit auric recently who all use brautos on pox hordes

[serene sage]

I do. Half my games are with them. But sometimes you just want to soloQ

[stray storm]

Doc Holiday is that you??

[slow spade]

Just buff them so much that they become competent players UwU

[mellow grove]

I just think an opt in for crossplay would be preferable

[prime vault]

is it worth it to spend plasteel to roll blues for blessings to earn when you're starting out, or should I just stalk melk?

[south garnet]

interesting strat, using all the ammo and going red then pinging "I NEED AMMO!" over and over again when you've already picked all of it up, then used it on nothing

[candid bridge]

So just do regular damnation when solos? lol

[slow spade]

I had TWO plasma vets that mag dumped into hordes

I had to ammo gremlin the entire mission

[mellow grove]

hate that shit

[south garnet]

This is the only correct response, and in this context it's right and just

fuck em

[stray storm]

Wow everyone hates Plasma users

[slow spade]

At least they never complained when I take a mag in front of them on Orange ammo

[mellow grove]

nah just the horde dumpers

[slow spade]

I'm a plasma user lol

[serene sage]

I mean it's my normal soloq schedule. I run Maelstrom soloq all the time and win more often than not.
It's just that the last few days has been rough and I noticed a pattern.
It's just a rant, you can ignore it. Sorry.

[stray storm]

Noted

[midnight hare]

I'm on Xbox and about 60% of other Xbox players I come across are braindead, good 40% for PC

[slow spade]

Had a plasma user that kept using charged shots

[nimble sentinel]

dump in hordes responsibly, kids

[slow spade]

Like bro what are you doing

[south garnet]

The exception is if you're trying to pick someone up during a vital moment and you don't have time to clear them normally, sure go ahead and blast away

Unusual circumstances, etc.

[mellow grove]

if you blowin your shit at hordes when its not needed just to get more scoreboard credit you need to quit the game

[stray storm]

Aren’t you supposed to charged shots when the times calls for one?

[slow spade]

I had a Zealot get dog pounced like 30m away from the team

So fucking lucky I know I can wall pen more with charged shots

[south garnet]

But generally if I even see your asshole twitch in anticipation of whipping out your rifle in the face of poxwalkers, I will pop your brain out of your skull

[slow spade]

Not for poxwalkers lmao

[stray storm]

Ahhhhhh

[midnight hare]

Me, using Recon Lasgun with covering fire

[south garnet]

if your teammates need covering fire to make it out alive they deserved to die in the first place

[slow spade]

Its just a lot of plasma users misuse the gun

Its very easy to run out of ammo and they use it like its some COD quickscope sniper

[prime vault]

I use it to soften up groups before engaging by picking off elites and for medium-long range elites during engagements

[placid solstice]

I remember when bolter magdumpers were in almost every match

5 poxwalkers? BAMBAMBAMBAM

[south garnet]

simpler times, 4 identical vets every match mk 3 PS + bolter

if you were truly radical maybe a tac axe

[serene sage]

now Bolter is in a good spot damage wise
too bad long draw time turns off a lot of people from using it

[placid solstice]

Lmao yeah

[serene sage]

and I don't blame them

[mellow grove]

I remember this one match where I had an easy 90 something elite and special kill count with the plasma and this zealot and ogryn kept suckin ammo like it was oxygen

[civic bay]

I can’t really stand Boltor or Helbore because of the swap times

[mellow grove]

without the survivalist I would have ran dry

[civic bay]

Helbore more manageable since the bayonet is nifty

but melee is so free

[placid solstice]

I havent used bolter since insta reload went away

I like plasma more, faster draw speed

[south garnet]

bolter does fairly well with both accurate shots where necessary plus being able to absolutely dump truck clumped nasties

[slow spade]

Exec stance is the only way to handle the long swap time sadly

[viral nacelle]

I’m actually really enjoying left branch vet with hellbore mk1

[civic bay]

Boltor itself feels great to shoot though

[south garnet]

But it doesn't have enough straight up specialization to make me want to use it over other stuff

[prime vault]

even if bolter's long swap time is 'fair', it's just long enough to be annoying, so I use plasma

[viral nacelle]

It’s very point and click with moments of shit your pants terror tho

[civic bay]

those shots are beefy Nd have great pen

[serene sage]

I learnt that I should let the bad teammates die so they can stop aggroing stuff

[south garnet]

I'm still open to using bolter, it's just not usually first pick for any particular play archetype atm

[viral nacelle]

Like even a pox walker group is a legit threat and needs to be reacted to instantly or boom down

[slow spade]

Yeah I need to stop being such a team player as well

[serene sage]

And just take the ammo and nades for yourself because they won't anyway

[slow spade]

So many unnecessary deaths and damage because I keep trying to help

[civic bay]

I usually stick with the slowest player

[slow spade]

I'm not even joking

[viral nacelle]

Compared to mid line vet which can just shrug off so many hits 😂

[mellow grove]

I know I should but I sometimes cant help myself suffering for their sins

[prime vault]

I did love bolter for a while there because I could just point it at something and delete it. very easy to just dump your mags by accident though

[tall torrent]

Is knife vet heresy?

[civic bay]

no

[serene sage]

No I feel ya. I need to do better in that, too.

[slow spade]

No it actually has its use

[civic bay]

you can run bleed talent for free mercy killer

[viral nacelle]

Revolver >>> dog turds >>> literally nothing >>> bolter

[tall torrent]

What’s the main purpose of it

[serene sage]

I take too much damage trying to save someone who doesn't know what they are doing.

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/rocky-drago-if-he-dies-dolph-lundgren-angry-gif-16346458

[civic bay]

and bleed procs Onslaught

[slow spade]

I lost a damnation because I tried to stop a poxburster getting close and they shot it lol

[south garnet]

this is how you approach pubs

[serene sage]

Bold take.

[civic bay]

*bleed ticks

[prime vault]

stacking bleed

[mellow grove]

keep cookin

[slow spade]

Super high dodge count and distance

[tall torrent]

Cuz so far I see it doing a lot of damage (just behind power sword) against most elites
But like the power sword it doesn’t stagger very well

[prime vault]

You can get blessings on it that do bleed on crits and non-weakspot hits

[viral nacelle]

I’m not worried, people malding about it will need five minutes before they can do anything

[slow spade]

Makes a lot of space + bleed dynergy

[civic bay]

So you stack bleed and brittleness with very high headshot damage

[viral nacelle]

Bolter is like a revolver used by a geriatric person

[serene sage]

nah like one or two weeks back most teammates are worth saving.
now most teammates are not worth saving.
things changed.

[civic bay]

without needing the bleed blessings or crits

[slow spade]

Vet is also squishier so rushing to save teammates costs a lot more

[serene sage]

eh I run it regularly
if you hate it that's your incentive.

[mellow grove]

I like the revolver but I get shit on because I dont dome the 35 regular ass shooters with it

[south garnet]

never thought I'd fantasize about the days of double damage during sprints

[midnight hare]

Usually run commando knife with Shredder/Kantrael shotty. Can't mag dump Crushers anymore since Rending talents got switched to brittleness

[slow spade]

I just get in close with them and melee

[slow spade]

Such is life

[prime vault]

Revolver is fun if you can consistently get headshots

[slow spade]

To be fair slide spamming worked back then and it works now

[mellow grove]

yea but I get peanut gallery teammates who expect me to be taking out every special elite and regular shooter with it and I just got tired

[tall torrent]

What do I change on this knife

[gusty sonnet]

The knife

[civic bay]

I would personally leave the bleed stacking Combat Knife to Zealot since they have more crits

[nimble sentinel]

I'm thinking flak and carapace and keep the blessings, what do y'all think?

[civic bay]

for Vet just take the bleed perk snd run Mercy Killer + Uncanny Strike

[south garnet]

make it longer, heavier, add a battery or maybe build in some kind of chainsaw

[tall torrent]

Chainsword mixed horde clear was meh for me

[south garnet]

Csword is very middle of the road for sure

[civic bay]

just change the perks imo

[tall torrent]

What do I change

[civic bay]

I would settle for level 3 of any best-in-slot option until luck blesses

[tall torrent]

Poxer to flak?

Keep the block efficiency?

[civic bay]

Not sure for Combat Knife specifically. The usual is Flak + Maniac

[gaunt hinge]

impact blessing

[civic bay]

o locked Blessing

[frank gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/death-korps-gif-27301605

am i doing this right

[tall torrent]

I can only change 1

[civic bay]

no idea about that one

can you one tap groaners on damnation in Meat Grinder?

[midnight hare]

I like the sound of Maniac + Carapace, you have Uncanny, delete Crushers and maulers with headshot stabs. But since locked I'd keep Pox dmg to help with horde clear

[civic bay]

If that perk is the difference then I’d keep it for horde clear

[keen sedge]

what blessing should i pair with dumdum?

[tall torrent]

Heavy atk yes
Light no

[nimble sentinel]

try this out slime

[zealous wyvern]

slime?

[nimble sentinel]

gif failed

[civic bay]

I would just keep the damage, personally

[nimble sentinel]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Slime

[zealous wyvern]

huh

[frank gyro]

this rocks

[gaunt hinge]

this stones

[civic bay]

then swap the other to Maniac, Flak, maaaaaaybe Carapace depending on your other weapon

[nimble sentinel]

We're rich!

[zealous wyvern]

i thought slime referred to someonee who throws dignity away to help someone on surface level and pays lipservice

while not being actually loyal

[frank gyro]

WE'RE RICH!

[civic bay]

can always adjust it anyway

[frank gyro]

what should i change

[civic bay]

maybe check your specific breakpoints in Meat grinder

[gaunt hinge]

that would probably be slimy

[civic bay]

see if you can reduce hits to kill by 1 on anything

Hard to tell in this game due to stat and skill variation

[quaint valve]

you'll want onslaught blessing at least, swap out no respite.

[frank gyro]

will do , is surgical worth it on mkI

[astral blade]

Well this was the final fragging score before my dumbsss got stuck in a wall

Literally

[quaint valve]

oh i didnt see mk1, im not as familiar with this one then

[frank gyro]

windows button, shift and S

to take a screenshot that u can strg+v into chats

thank me later

[nimble sentinel]

very worth, only one you can argue against is the II cause it's already so fast but I is plenty slow enougfh to get the bonus

[civic bay]

or just hit print screen
if on Steam, F12 is also screenshot by default

[astral blade]

my friend is this score any better?

[frank gyro]

nice, should i change the ranged weakspot or the damage to maniacs on the perks

@nimble sentinel

[nimble sentinel]

keep maniac, grab flak

[frank gyro]

will do

[nimble sentinel]

that right there is a good rifle

[frank gyro]

thank you!

time to bayonett into ragers

[astral blade]

@nimble sentinel

[frank gyro]

im ready

[astral blade]

this as well

[nimble sentinel]

yeh you look built for melee, or at least not specifically into ranged. ET is only gonna proc on guns

[midnight mortar]

Collapsed rebreather lung.

[frank gyro]

its so awful , why didnt they just made it sliiiightly flat

[midnight mortar]

Shrink z axis, done. Pay up.

That'll be 2500 Aquilas.

[frank gyro]

fr fr

[midnight mortar]

No we can't just use a preexisting asset that psyker already has.

[astral blade]

@slow spade my guy did i do any better

[whole moon]

bayonetting with the Mk II Helbore is a thing now right?

[serene sage]

was the Ogryn using a kickback?

[nimble sentinel]

Steel Legion W

[midnight mortar]

Oh but don't worry, Vanguard Pack soon!!

[sour elbow]

either blessing worth it?

[astral blade]

Yes I believe so

[midnight mortar]

Nah.

[whole moon]

not really, Infernus sometimes but.. Headhunter/Deadly Accurate gets u more mileage

[midnight mortar]

You want Headhunter and Deadly accurate.

[junior needle]

It's on an infantry las, so infernus won't be doing much

[astral blade]

Both of them were using a kickback I think

[sour elbow]

Interesting. I was wondering if burning was better for the armoured things-let the dot tick through the armour, as it were.

[junior needle]

The dots are affected by armor, so it only ticks for a little on crushers

[sour elbow]

...welp.

[junior needle]

Dots can apply onslaught however

[sour elbow]

Another thing that's not explained

[junior needle]

But using infernus on an infantry las for onslaught stacking is a niche method to say the least

I tried it for a supreme lazyman bodyshotting setup and it went ok, but obviously one shot headshots are always better

[astral blade]

Let me guess getting outdone by an ogryn with a kickback is sad?

[tranquil comet]

so which veteran gun lets you melee the least

[whole moon]

No, the Kickback is a brutal weapon, if the Og is using it right I dont think any team member bar the old surge psykers are a match

[junior needle]

That setup is more workable on an mg4 though, which is the least good at precision

[serene sage]

Nope, it's par for the course. Kickback is insane, nothing can outdamage it if the Ogryn is decent.

[astral blade]

than yeah both ogryns were using it

[serene sage]

Yeah that's most Ogryns nowadays.
Honestly I don't mind the kickback being that powerful as long as they nerf the range a bit more. (they already nerf min pellet count)

[lilac kayak]

🤡

[junior needle]

It already has quite steep falloff at range

The pellet count was more than enough to halve its effectiveness at mid-long range

[astral blade]

well i didn't take as much damage as the first time and i was making use of both my melee and my ranged

[junior needle]

Was that an emps gift?

[lilac kayak]

from brunt

[junior needle]

Why would you upgrade a 25% stopping power columnus

[serene sage]

then even more. ogryns shouldn't be able to one shot a clump of poxes from 16m out
at say 10m then sure
right now you just kinda aim in the general direction of the horde and everything dies
that's why kickback damage is so high

[tranquil comet]

how is the antax mk v axe?

[astral blade]

although my damage taken would've being less if my teammates didn't leave me to deal with a fucking horde by myself

[lilac kayak]

why not

[serene sage]

it should one shot most elites/specialist at close range, that much is fair

[junior needle]

Stopping power affects your damage to various armor types

Low stopping power is a sizable reduction

[serene sage]

I think a good melee weapons is a lot more important than ranged for vet
maybe not even that hot of a take

[wise mesa]

what blessings am I looking for in mk1 devil claw?

[lilac kayak]

Yeah I see now...

[nimble sentinel]

gotta bring a little something for everything with pugs, you never know what role needs filling

[junior needle]

It only penetrates 4 poxes or two bruisers currently (won't even go through a naked rager). 16m isn't that long of a distance either, and poxes do not have that much health. Taking multiple shots to kill some poxes at what was formerly considered "close" range would mean the weapon is unusable for everything else.

[nimble sentinel]

but what the frag do you do when the plasma gun vet forgets to use their plasma gun when the team is charged by 6 crushers?????

[lilac kayak]

tbh I assumed it only affected stagger

[astral blade]

Why the heck do you think I have the Chainsword as my melee option

[lilac kayak]

[serene sage]

nah they didn't they just ran out of ammo after shooting the horde

[junior needle]

Collateral affects stagger and suppression. You can always use the inspect screen if you're uncertain.

[astral blade]

But seriously those my damage taken was 579

Most of that damage was from dealing with 2 horses by myself while teammates ran on ahead

[serene sage]

honestly if you aren't dying then it's fine, don't sweat it.

[south garnet]

Chaos horses

[lilac kayak]

monstrosity?

[terse idol]

PS is just too strong

[serene sage]

also I would highly suggest Tinkered Frag

[south garnet]

Always knew there was something fishy about unicorns

[serene sage]

It is. But I hate using it. Man my life would be so much easier if I just play PS Revolver

Like every game I use them I do so very well
But my soul dies a little every time.

[astral blade]

If I was to get tinkered frag I would have to sac onslaught

[serene sage]

what weapon set are you using?

[astral blade]

Columnus

[south garnet]

You already play vet, no need to keep a soul around

[lilac kayak]

Find it a bit harder to clutch with PS ngl

Feels like im always out of breath

[terse idol]

I wouldn't know, I'm a dclaw main

[midnight hare]

I'm a madman, 80% on Cleave dmg and targets with Wrath and Savage Sweep. Probably not optimal for the Mk 1 but it fun sword

[serene sage]

okay yeah. i personally would swap to shout with your build but then it's not the same build anymore.
sometimes you just need to hope your teammates are less clueless

[serene sage]

😔 slaanesh ain't getting this one yet
not today

I have like an A+ tier PSVI too

[nimble sentinel]

playing vet is all about suffering through doom posters and copium about the tree in equal amounts

we torture ourselves to do this

She who Thirsts already has us

[lilac kayak]

rampage and savage sweep is the most ideal blessings to get for Dclaw

[serene sage]

I just want to play my Bolter CAxe in peace man
they are not bad
they are just not S tier this patch

if FS change the tree such that those are S tier 👀

[astral blade]

i do have a shout vet build

[raw steppe]

Bolter just needs them to replace that one node on the bottom to instead say "using your combat ability reloads your gun"

And then bolter will be back

😂

[nimble sentinel]

speak for yourself homie MG IV slaps

[serene sage]

hell just faster swap speed will bring it back

[nimble sentinel]

just gotta treat shooting into hordes like eating the crust on your pb&j

[serene sage]

it is crazy how we don't have anything that affects swap speed (no exec stance is not swap speed)

[viral nacelle]

What’s the good traits for mg1?

[lilac kayak]

some say revolver vet is superior over bolter vet

[astral blade]

Literally just can’t be fucked using my shout vet build those because who gonna get the idiots who get downed

[viral nacelle]

Revolver is love, revolver is life

[serene sage]

Revolver PS is the S tier combo
Bolter in 90% of scenarios is a worse Revolver

but I like Bolter so sue me

[astral blade]

Hence why my stealth build is my go to build for pubs

[serene sage]

pretty close to what I run personally

[serene sage]

don't. screw them. clutch.

[nimble sentinel]

God Emperor forbid we turn our eyes to His holiest instrument used by His angels

[midnight hare]

Love it when I go relic Zealot and pop relic over a downed teammate and no one revives

[lilac kayak]

you'd think the bolter would just be a revolver with a belt fed magazine but no....

[serene sage]

Fat Shark has always been heretical, I knew it.

[west lantern]

Bolter can be made to perform very well for a certain playstyle. 1 shot gunners and shottys. 2 shot most everything else. Bolter is very good, just slow to pull out.

[serene sage]

Yep, damage wise there is no complaint.
But the revolver does the same (albeit with lower ammo res) and pulls out near instant.

[astral blade]

yeah seen it more than once generally tell the zealot dont bother wasting it just leave me to die anyways

literally expendable us vets are sadly

[raw steppe]

faster swap speed is a bad fix because it removes the weaknesses of the weapon

[bold ibex]

the big tradeoff i find with the revolver is its reload is SUPER obnoxious. It's great for melee users who kill something, instantly oneshot someone in the backline, and repeat. Also not bad if you go full in on reload talents but...

The boltor can reliably kill 15 things in near instant succession. Revolver can't.

[raw steppe]

I'd prefer FS to buff the strengths of the weapon rather than remove the weaknesses

[astral blade]

Which makes me sad to say that

[raw steppe]

otherwise it'll just homogenize everything

[bold ibex]

...when a weapon is too weak, you need to reduce its weaknesses usually. Especially when the Boltor can't do better at its job

[lilac kayak]

bolter is a pain to use since u need to wait a sec or two to wait for recoil to settle down before aiming those shooty fodders

[serene sage]

then explain how the plasma and revolver can do most of the same thing and pulls out much faster
what is the weakness of revolver then?

[bold ibex]

...tbh, instead of faster swap speed, I wish they'd heavily reduce the Boltor's sway. It's awful at getting snipers without deadshot

[raw steppe]

chamber reload theoretically

[balmy flume]

Lots of players are too guilty of the thing called “too busy killing”

[serene sage]

you're insane. chamber reload is a massive buff

[balmy flume]

They outright lose situation awareness

[untold mulch]

Mah reload time

Not like there is a thousand ways to cheese it

[serene sage]

if every gun can have chamber reload I would take them

[lilac kayak]

weapon specialist

[slow spade]

Revolver should have speedloaders because it needs s buff

[untold mulch]

Guaranteed reload and crit

[vivid hill]

my veteran is the strongest - proof:

[nimble sentinel]

how would this work with las?

[untold mulch]

Damn

[slow spade]

Very carefully

[untold mulch]

Fill it with cells

A+

[split sapphire]

Which perks and blessings are better for the revolver, any suggestions?

[serene sage]

you see Ivan, this way you would not miss since you don't want to hurt your hands.

[astral blade]

hence why i said this last night a combat medic veteran able to use either a medi skull or a combat skull

[vivid hill]

in the grim darkness of far future there's only one way to keep your hands warm

[bold ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RJkkoMxuMQ

[midnight mortar]

Within cells interlinked.

[lilac kayak]

revolver has no weakness

maybe nerf the ammo reserve

[raw steppe]

the other weakness of the revolver is that it has very limited sustained DPS

[untold mulch]

I remember a Fallout laser weapon mod

where it had battery cells as *casings *

[astral blade]

for reviving teammates those the medi skull would have to use the resource ability literally thought of this last night and allot people present in this chat rn agreed it was a good idea

[serene sage]

You would gently sensually blow on the cartridge while making ASMR noise at the mic.
Your teammates can have a vote. If they like it you reload faster.

[untold mulch]

The amount of bitching any nerf to revolver will get

[nimble sentinel]

this is the correct answer

[raw steppe]

you can't just hose it if needed

like you can with an iag for example

[lilac kayak]

its seems like when ppl moan about something is op...

then FS will nerf it eventually

[untold mulch]

Idk, revolver is reeking of a cowboy fanboy on dev team

Because is only going up

[jaunty sphinx]

oops wrong chat

[astral blade]

What was that one game 40k game that made use of the skulls in combat

[serene sage]

okay and mag dumping on the Bolter is a totally viable strategy after PF nerf and no more insta reload
look, my point is why does the Bolter need to have this inherent weakness that is quite crippling while the other weapons are not judged by the same standard.
I think Bolter was very strong pre patch 13 but they forgot about it after indirectly nerfing the things it relies on.

[midnight hare]

Based?

[untold mulch]

Mechanicus?

[astral blade]

Wasn’t it daemon hunters or some shit like that

[whole moon]

I think it's the Mk4 u want due to the moveset

[serene sage]

Chaos Gate Daemonhunters?

Servo skulls are wargears

[astral blade]

Yes that’s the one

[untold mulch]

is there a gunskull therE?

I want to see one xD

[whole moon]

I was about to say Mechanicus but they used the mechadendrites instead I think

[serene sage]

there is no gun skulls, just servo skulls that provides utilities (i.e. combat scanner, healer, one lets you auto reload, one is a decoy that taunts enemies, etc.) they are quite useful

[midnight mortar]

Mechanicus had servo skulls you could use to damage enemies.

[raw steppe]

I think that bolter simply needs to have a damage and clip buff.
The drawbacks of having a dogshit draw time and a terrible reload time are not worth it right now

[midnight mortar]

Was just listed as combat protocols for them instead.

[untold mulch]

Sad

[raw steppe]

it just needs to be worth it

[astral blade]

Honestly we need those damn skulls in 40k darktide

[raw steppe]

it used to be that you could pull out a clip of bolter and delete a boss or delete a pack of 6 crushers

[astral blade]

Pretty sure vet and zealot would be able to make good use of them

[raw steppe]

if you could do that now, i think the shitty draw time and reload time would be worth it

[serene sage]

I think more damage is not what it needs though.
What are you killing more with more damage?
You can one mag monstros already.
Overkilling more doesn't help.

[raw steppe]

can you one mag monstro?

[serene sage]

You can with certain builds, they are quite viable, actually.

[raw steppe]

I thought monstro hp got buffed to the point where that's no longer possible

[astral blade]

Wait does vet and zealot seem like the logical choices to be able to use a servo skull that provides utility

[raw steppe]

I also thought that carapace HP got buffed to the point where you couldn't kill more than like 2 crushers with a reasonable amount of bolter fire

[serene sage]

No you can in this patch. It's technically more like 1.4 mag because you can't always land 15 headshots

[slow spade]

You say that as if a skull probe with a bolter couldn't exist

Brb writing a new codex

[serene sage]

But if you have teammates who can stagger you can.

or just 1.5 mag it, not big of a different, or your temamates can make up for the 0.5 mag of damage

[slow spade]

Skull probe with a volcano cannon in part 2

[whole moon]

If anything I'd say Vet due them maybe doing missions for AdMechs but probably more fitting for a non existent TechAdept

Or Skitarii

[slow spade]

Ogryn skull probe wrangler when?

[serene sage]

Okay I will conceit to you the Carapace damage. But buffing damage just to kill carapace seems like a bandage for the bandage.
(Btw Revolver has much higher TTK on Carapace than Bolter, so we are talking like mega mega damage buff which is also not the best way to go imo).

[raw steppe]

Yeah I think we differ here on our opinions

I think making the bolter less clunky would ruin the "feel" of the weapon

it should feel clunky as fuck, slow to reload slow to pull out

[astral blade]

I believe there is it’s called a guardian skull

[raw steppe]

and ABSOLUTELY BLAST

anything you shoot

[slow spade]

+125% damage

[serene sage]

it would still have the recoil, relatively low mag count.

[slow spade]

If surge can get it, why can't bolter UwU

[serene sage]

and im not asking for revolver kind of draw speed

[raw steppe]

I wouldn't like a more homogenized version which was easier to handle and simply did less damage

[untold mulch]

Nice

[raw steppe]

because in that case, why not just use a brauto instead

[serene sage]

just make it like plasma draw speed (+whatever time it needs to charge)

[astral blade]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Servo-skull

Here a link

[serene sage]

so bolter and plasma can have the same time to shoot

[untold mulch]

Ah, but I meant in a game

[astral blade]

Probably

[serene sage]

I think you are only thinking of weapon identity in term of weaknesses instead of strengths.
No one is confusing a Bolter with a Brauto or Plasma if the Bolter has the Plasma ready speed.

[slow spade]

Stray but with a skull probe

[urban adder]

best helbore rn? im assuming blessings are still onslaught+

[serene sage]

And if you spend enough time with the Bolter, the shooting on it is far different than the Plasma or anything else
there is enough difference that draw speed shouldn't be its identity.

[nimble sentinel]

the model is up to preference, onslaught for all but the II which already fires fast

[serene sage]

yknow that Journey or Flower game?

[nimble sentinel]

would go into more detail but I'm tied up at the moment

[slow spade]

Yeah

[sick marsh]

how's this?

[slow spade]

It needs a skull probe

[serene sage]

it does

[untold mulch]

Hadron did you dirty

[quaint valve]

2 bad rolls, hope for 2 good ones

[sick marsh]

it's from armoury.

[astral blade]

Oh well it’s probs a pipe dream anyways to get a servo skull as an ability for us vets

[slow spade]

Technically usable if the next 2 upgrades are both good

[sick marsh]

DW...

[slow spade]

Vet with a manticore skull probe pls

[untold mulch]

Quite the risk to take

[sick marsh]

do I buy it from armoury?

[slow spade]

Don't be poor

[nimble sentinel]

worth a gamble

[serene sage]

could be a fun idea for a necromancer/summoner type class

[slow spade]

If you do, upgrade to purple only

If its good, keep going

If its bad, ignore it and weep

[sick marsh]

ok it gave me wrath 3 on the transcendent upgrade...

[slow spade]

Rip

[dawn salmon]

what melee should i go for on vet?

[slow spade]

I'm sorry 😔

[nimble sentinel]

well that turned out well

[slow spade]

Psword if rich

Devil Claw for reliable

[serene sage]

PS6 is the best
Caxes are great
Chainsword, dclaw are good.

[quaint valve]

caxes need work

[junior needle]

Would very likely only be with a tech adept class

[hollow ibex]

Shovel

[slow spade]

Hab Dreyko mauler patrol -> teammates die to maulers instantly because of course they do -> skull probe swarm blasts them with plasma blasters

[sick marsh]

which power sword do I get?

[slow spade]

As intended

[hollow ibex]

Shovel should be in that list

[dawn salmon]

what am i looking for on the PS6?

[serene sage]

yeah, i meant as an archetype, the theme will probably be tech priest kinda vibe

[dawn salmon]

assuming something with cleave

[slow spade]

Here's mine

[quaint valve]

Power cycler and Brutal momentum or slaughjterer

[slow spade]

PS6 had like 12 cleave

[hollow ibex]

Power cycler 4 or nothing is worth

[slow spade]

Its fine

[hollow ibex]

IMO

[serene sage]

oh boy I hope you are ready for the grind
you kinda "need" Power Cycler IV
bonus if you have Brutal Momentum
and good stats

[slow spade]

Power Cycler is like a +300% damage boost

[hollow ibex]

PC3 is too much work

[slow spade]

Not having it is actually miserible

[mellow grove]

PC4 was hell for me to get

[hollow ibex]

And no PC is just trash

[dawn salmon]

welp.. now i have something to grind for so thats fun, already did it ones for the helbore

[brisk umbra]

if you only have PC3 i honestly think PS3 is better

[serene sage]

You technically don't "need" PC4
But by god you will have a better time playing something else

[untold edge]

Is bromentum better than bugged rampage rn

[brisk umbra]

either is fine

they do the same thing in the end

[slow spade]

Momentum is far superior

[brisk umbra]

but at least you can have a lvl 3 BM over geting lucky about getting both

[mellow grove]

chainsword was my go to fr until I got the golden PC4

[untold edge]

Yeah I havent used rampage yet on psword thats why I asked

bromentum goes hard

[mighty cedar]

that's some good stats for a 318 rated weapon

[bold ibex]

every time i get close to running wounds again, i get a team that despite me reviving them repeatedly, i get downed by BS and they run off to kill more elites.

like not even under fire, they just run off to go get elites

[quaint valve]

depends on what weapon, mobility at that level you lose dodges

[junior needle]

It's not a melee

So not exactly a big deal

[elder vessel]

PC?
As in power cycler?
As in power swords best must have blessing?

[junior needle]

He said no pc is trash, as in not having it is bad. I assume.

[untold edge]

He probably meant "not having PC" is trash

[forest blaze]

lmao I love this

"fuck mobility"

[round canopy]

......

[viral nacelle]

As a blind man what am I missing in this image?

The weird placement of the utility bags?

[lean light]

Uhhh

[viral nacelle]

I’ve never noticed anything in my life ever and by god I’m not about to start now

It’s why I play vet

[round canopy]

yes

the bag is going into his arm

[viral nacelle]

He’s just too swole to control

The bag is being ingested

To grow them guns

[quaint valve]

just for this we should get a reload debuff

[viral nacelle]

-50% toughness damage reduction when standing still

[mellow grove]

next update another vet nerf

[viral nacelle]

Best time to kick a man is when he’s down

[round canopy]

-99% TDR when NOT standing still

crabwalk gaming

[mellow grove]

the kicks that keep on kickin

[lean light]

Reload animation is changed to you hitting your gun against your chest

[west lantern]

It's a bit of a different useage. The revolver is better for straight anti-special / elite. Against an elite wave the bolter can have better utility if you slow down and aim. It's also an amazing stagger weapon for knocking back a horde to reposition. If you are in a bad corner you can just land a few rounds on the ground and run through. As a close range panic weapon for crushers and bulwarks it is very good -- if you already have it out. It can perform "grenade" duty for hordes if really needed, say to quickly clear trash out for a pickup. Against bulwarks it is extremely useful as it staggers on shield shots. Like anything weapon, you give certain things up and you get certain things. As a multi-roll utility weapon that can deal with literally everything decently well the bolter is very good.

[viral nacelle]

Against an elite wave I’m gonna whip out my good friend mr nade

[midnight mortar]

I think it's important to point out a revolver can 1 tap a crusher to the head.

[viral nacelle]

And then I’m gonna run like a bitch

[raw steppe]

I dont think this is true

[bold ibex]

just tried a focus/reload revolver build for the first time and even without a good one, it was disgusting. I'm just like... wtf

[midnight mortar]

Which significantly reduces the threat that elite waves pose.

[raw steppe]

what buffs do you assume

[viral nacelle]

It’s too bad we don’t have a speed boost in the gun tree so I can more efficiently run like a bitch

[hollow ibex]

Yes exactly

[mellow grove]

yea the revolver straight up fucks

[bold ibex]

I think it's not impossible wtih buffs, the ogryn talent, +25% carapce, and the rending talent

[raw steppe]

which buffs

[bold ibex]

there's a +10% from using an ability. +25% potentially from the other switch talent. Or you could be a weirdo and still run executioner stance for the huge boost to damage and weakpoint damage

[raw steppe]

got a video?

I'm very curious to see this breakpoint

[west lantern]

If you build around it you can probably hit the numbers required.

[bold ibex]

Maybe someone else does? I just think it's probably possible but don't have a good enough revolver yet.

Kinda like how you can one tap crushers with the Chaxe if you care enough to

[round canopy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/176ti2j/whats_the_point_of_the_plasma_gun_again/

just crits

[tall torrent]

Is it just me or the new map has bad plasteel payout

[viral nacelle]

Yeah but then you remember you’re using a chain axe

And you get bullied by pox walkers

[mellow grove]

god I hate the chain axe

[viral nacelle]

I use chain axe sometimes to make other vets mald

I’ve never not gotten a comment from other vets when using it 😂

[west lantern]

Chain axe is good. The heavy swing is for hordes.

[mellow grove]

I dont mald at others using it I just at them like they are some weird critters

[viral nacelle]

It’s ok to admit when you’re coping

[west lantern]

Push attack, followed heavy.

Nope, it works.

It's not as good.

[viral nacelle]

This is a safe space

[raw steppe]

This is before the crusher HP buffs; got one for after?

[mellow grove]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[viral nacelle]

You don’t have to lie to us

[west lantern]

It has a specific roll. You get a double tap damage on light swings to chew through flak dudes.

[viral nacelle]

Hi everyone welcome to the inaugural meeting of chainaxe users anonymous

[west lantern]

But you have to heavy for hordes.

[viral nacelle]

My name is oddball and I’ve been using chain axes off and on for a year now

It’s so bad for me but quitting is hard

[mellow grove]

Hi oddball welcome to the meeting

[strange grove]

I bet they buff em

[viral nacelle]

Sometimes I cry when I remember that literally an axe I could get from the local Walmart outperforms it

[whole moon]

I made a decent Chain Axe recently and it performed a lot better than I was led to believe. I still think it's outclassed by a decent Chainsword tho in every respect.

[bold ibex]

Hey oddball. Thanks for coming. My name is fool and I've started dabbling here and there over the last three or four weeks. Have four legendary Chaxe's. The grinding through crushers makes me feel all... great googly moogly

[bold ibex]

more srsly.... Chainaxe does really, really well in ogryn and boss killing. Special attack +bleed application +thrust. You do absurd amounts of damage. Against mobs it's only... mediocre?

I think either building all the attackspeed bonuses ever works. As does using it with a more mobby ranged weapon and using it for boss killing works

[strange grove]

Does a chaxe go good with a brauto?

[west lantern]

It's the sort of weapon you bring when you want to mess around with an anti-horde autogun.

[strange grove]

Or a chaxe and an autopistol?

[viral nacelle]

Yeah but you could also just bring any tac axe

And outperform it

[mellow grove]

hearing anti horde auto gun makes me think of all the ammo gemlins

[whole moon]

I don't remember it doing much in a boss fight but I'll give it another run or two

[bold ibex]

how do I take videos? Cuz I got onetaps on crushers

[finite imp]

Chainaxe answers armor so it can kinda go with anything

[strange grove]

Use autopistol to knock em all down. Chaxe before they get up

[whole moon]

There's loads of apps, Nvidia has Shadowplay thru GeForce Experience. There's also Medal which is quite cool. You can also use something like OBS and upload to whatever site you want

[bold ibex]

Well. Not /quite/ a one tap... but the weapon only has 20 carapace instead of 25%... and without executioner stanc or the 15 focus stack buff. with either it's a onetap.

[strange grove]

I’m going to try this build. Auric damnation, cuz I try all new builds there

[finite imp]

I just wouldn't recommend chainaxe in general due it it's restriction of movement

[west lantern]

You lose a dodge, this is true.

[finite imp]

Also your light attacks lock you in

As if it's activat3r

Unless they changed it

[west lantern]

It's not necessarily a bad thing. So long as it's not against hordes.

For flak it is still pretty reasonable.

[finite imp]

If you get swarmed with a chain axe you're pretty much done for

[midnight mortar]

That's still the case.

[midnight patrol]

Experiment was a success!

[finite imp]

And in damnation you're always in something's face

[midnight patrol]

With Exhilarating Takedown and Confirmed Kill working together. I can finally make Ex Stance work in Damnation

[finite imp]

Nice

Can't believe how long it took to fix

[daring peak]

fuck me it's the bad charge %

[midnight mortar]

If you don't have OBS or Nvidia's replay feature, screenshots can work. Windows key + Shift + S if you're fast or a Steam screenshot.

[finite imp]

I guess I should check melks huh

[inland moat]

do i focus health or focus toughness on vet?

[midnight patrol]

Was in a full squad of Vets I had the most ranged units, elites and specialists knocked out

[daring peak]

win + prntscrn should also work

[finite imp]

To see if any knives or revs dropped

[midnight patrol]

.. also found out the magic of bleed nade spam

Had 150 kills due to just the bleeding alone lmao

[raw steppe]

toughness generally is better for vet, but you want some health to hit breakpoints; such as the 2x poxburster one

[finite imp]

I just wish the 10 percent melee speed was easier to get to

[zinc osprey]

2x pox?

Meaning not getting auto-downed by 2 bursters blowing up at the same time?

[finite imp]

Sigh

[bold ibex]

oneshotting crusher with revolver.

[finite imp]

Nice

[zinc osprey]

how did you do that? 😮

[bold ibex]

this is the revolver. Build is shout with focus. to get the oneshot with this gun w/o the 25% carapace, I needed to use 15 focus stacks

[finite imp]

Hand cannon and surgical

See

Called it

[quaint valve]

@raw steppe you were asking i think

[midnight patrol]

Also they're using focus tree

[raw steppe]

ye if you have 150hp, 2 poxwalkers will full kill you without downs from full hp iirc

[midnight mortar]

I'm not sure you need the keystone to pull it off.

[raw steppe]

if you only have 2 wounds

[midnight patrol]

Focus tree at 15 stacks, which is not easy to keep up compared to 10 stack with camo

[bold ibex]

Instead of focus tree you can use... executioner stance. or the middle tree for its +10% rending and +damage on ability use. I think that would also do it.

Or just the right's tree after a melee kill

[bold ibex]

i'll do it with ten stacks

[midnight mortar]

Don't forget the missing +5% to carapace perk.

[midnight patrol]

Yeah Ex Stance is more than enough to push it into one shot with focus tree

[midnight patrol]

Even less than 10 will do the trick

[quaint valve]

still impressive that all it takes is ability activation basically to 1 tap them

[midnight patrol]

I still find it funny that the Vraks mkVII with the right crit build can reliable 5 to 6 round a crusher

[tranquil comet]

ok i have two of these now, which is better/what do i do with them/should i keep fishing

[hybrid token]

damn, missing one dodge

[midnight patrol]

Being able to do that on Damnation across a room at a Crusher about to slam someone's butt is always nice

[midnight patrol]

This one is workable

It had dum dum already on it. Tier 4 too

[zealous wyvern]

my vote is on this one and change stripped down+sprint efficiency

[bold ibex]

I'm not gonna upload this because it'll take forever but... by using the +30% weakpoint one, I get like, 3400 damage? I'm pretty sure with +25% carapace instead of +20%, that'd be a OHKO

[zealous wyvern]

i dont like the 71 on damage

[midnight mortar]

That's the current power level of the revolver on display. Given that there's a thread on the forums about it, I'm expecting a nerf before Fatshark takes their Winter vacation.

[midnight patrol]

Probably!

[tranquil comet]

we really want 80/80 on damage/stopping power on the forever version of this gun right?

[brisk umbra]

I mean, they did buff for no reason whatsoever on patch 14

because it was already the best weapon, it needed some more

[midnight mortar]

Indeed.

[midnight patrol]

I don't think the revolver needs a nerf

[thick flint]

power cycler

finally got ir

it

[midnight patrol]

It's a very niche weapon as it is in a marksman's build

[tranquil comet]

should i take dum dum off of this one and put it on the other one?

[tulip condor]

What is the best talents for using plasma? Seen others melt crushers like nothing but I cant do the same

[midnight mortar]

in a marksman's build
Have you seen the builds using revolver and the people playing with them?

[midnight patrol]

I reslly recommend you work with this one. The second one you shared

[tranquil comet]

ok what changes should i make on it

[bold ibex]

actually here's it at 10 with that weapon.

[tranquil comet]

• why not just put dum dum on the better roll

[bold ibex]

is the tree. Obviously you could also make this work with the tag ability in middle tree... or after a melee kill in the rightmost tree in close combat.

[midnight patrol]

Some use funny right tree for railgunning whole hordes or that one Rager behind 10 poxes yeah I know

[zealous wyvern]

dumdum instead of stripped down and sprint to flak damage or maniac damage

[midnight patrol]

It's pretty specific a build so eh

[midnight patrol]

Swap out stripped down for raking fire and unarmored perk for maniac

You'll have a gun that can drop ragers and mutants in less than half a second.

And do 30k damage to a boss. In one magazine.

[tranquil comet]

i don't have a raking fire sitting around
what makes that better than taking dum dum from the other one and adding it + a perk?

[midnight patrol]

The first one has death spitter and stripped down. And shitty perks

So it's just a loss no matter how you look at it.

[tranquil comet]

they both have stripped down

[bold ibex]

question. How much of a damage increase is +10 rending? In this build I could swing more reload if I give it up

[midnight mortar]

It's 10%.

[midnight patrol]

But the second one already has a Tier 4 dum dum

[midnight patrol]

You only can swap out two perks or blessings. So the second one you sacrifice nothing

[tranquil comet]

that dumdum stays tier 4 if i remove it right

[midnight patrol]

Yes. But then you'll have to look for another ideal roll all over again.

Because the first Columnus you shared sucks compared to the second one.

[tranquil comet]

if im rerolling a perk + blessing on the one with worse stats anyway then why not just reroll perk + blessing on the one with better stats

isn't the 72 damage pretty sad

[bold ibex]

actually I made a bit of a mistake in the previous videos... I forgot the +20% damage from range is a thing. That alone is more or less enough to deal with the breakpoint on Crushers. It's honestly pretty fucking ridiculous to just oneshot multiple crushers from across the map

[midnight patrol]

It's only 2 less damage. It really doesn't matter with the perk and blessing combo and the better stability.

[bold ibex]

72 will get you where you wanna go with most weapons tbh. It only really matters on a couple for hitting breakpoints.

[midnight patrol]

I mean. If you just want to grab tier 4 dum dum because you're that hard up in it. Sure. But you won't reach the full potential of the dum dum and raking fire combo with the two rolls you shown so far

[tranquil comet]

so what do i do with the dumdum one do i take the blessing anyway and wait for a god stat roll

and what would an ideal stat roll on the columnus look like

[bold ibex]

looking at your weapons... I'd just use the dumdum one. Switch stripped down to something better unless you really like it. Then swap unarmored enemies to flak +25% maybe?

[midnight patrol]

That's what I recommended.

[bold ibex]

unless there's an unarmored enemy i'm not thinking of that would justify keeping that and giving up a general +weakspot damage. (which isn't /ideal/ but not garbage)

[tranquil comet]

flak or maniac are both fine right?

[midnight patrol]

Maniac is better.

Flak armoured enemies don't rush you like the existing maniac ones

[tranquil comet]

and i don't want crit chance?

[bold ibex]

I'd go maniac. It's very, very noticeable for mutants and flamers. where as the flak is... it's nice, but those enemies aren't gonna fuck up your whole day as quickly

[quaint valve]

flak enemies less chunky than maniac

[midnight patrol]

As the two above said.

[tranquil comet]

ok cool

[bold ibex]

you might want a crit chance blessing instead of stripped down

[tranquil comet]

i still want to keep rolling armory columnuses for a better stat spread but i'll use this one until i get a basically perfect one i guess?

[midnight patrol]

Replace Stripped Down with Raking Fire

You'll get the chance to use it often as a point blank Vet

Or infiltrate Vet.

[viral nacelle]

is there any recon lasgun people would say is the least bad?

[bold ibex]

just... just use that one and build up another weapon instead. 72 damage is /fine/ for a multishot weapon. Some singleshots need higher points to go through breakpoints, but a rapidfire weapon, you won't notice the difference between 7 bullets and 8

[midnight patrol]

40% more damage for just shooting something in the back with a gun that can shoot 7 bullets a second is nothing to sneeze at.

[whole moon]

Whole series I hear is getting reworked. Best alternatives imo would be laspistol or IA 1a

[midnight patrol]

I'll admit though. Psyker is the class that can really abuse the Columnus mk V the best

[tranquil comet]

ok thanks all
i still want to keep rolling for a forever columnus
what spread/perks am i looking for for the unicorn?

[midnight patrol]

Because of how insane their innate crit chamce builds can get

But you can make it work on a Vet if you build right.

[bold ibex]

Do you already have a built out revolver? Power cycler for powerswords and a great one of those? How about laspistol for cheesing? Build out your selection and then go back for your favorites

[midnight patrol]

Basically you want high stats as possible, with the blessings of dum dum and taking fire

The perks maniac and flak

[tranquil comet]

i'm a onetrick in most games lol

[bold ibex]

I'd just recommend something like a Kantrael instead. From what I've seen.... recons are so bad that it doesn't matter they shoot a lot. Shooting fewer times will still do more

[tranquil comet]

are there good dump stats? and how much ammo/stability do i want

[strange grove]

get rekt nerds

[celest vine]

I hope it becomes a three round burst sort of thing

Would be cool

[midnight patrol]

Mobility is your dumpstat.

[quaint valve]

Cant get wrecked cause its not even 550 , also T3 blessings? Please

[strange grove]

if you round up it is

[midnight patrol]

Columnus recoils very violently. You want that stability lol

[celest vine]

No this is rhe one you round up

[quaint valve]

Now that is a beautiful boy

[bold ibex]

well, have you tried the braced autoguns yet? They're kinda in a similar vein of 'shoot lots of bullets' but do it a bit differently. The more cynical reason I'm suggesting you branch out is I did that with Boltguns. Just... literally 90 hours to get the best boltgun I could.

And then fatshark shit all over them and invalidated my style of play.

You never know when they'll have one of their ideas. and their ideas are usually bad

[celest vine]

Praying for your next roll

[midnight patrol]

Meanwhile I got this puppy

[whole moon]

Just initially and you can mitigate it by not moving and crouching but yeah. You gotta be aware of it

[midnight patrol]

I swapped unarmored for maniac because it's funni two to three tapping mutants in full sprint with crits

[tulip condor]

What is the best talents for using plasma? Seen others melt crushers like nothing but I cant do the same

[quaint valve]

This is mine, buts still a work in progress. Hunting deadly accurate t4

[quaint valve]

Going focus keystone in the middle helps melt things, you grab extra ogryn damage along the way too

[midnight patrol]

Meanwhile FS made the Headhunters stronger and stronger. Loving them on my end!

[nimble sentinel]

[bold ibex]

yup. I tried the Vrak since that was getting talked up a lot but... Headhunters do that but better

[midnight patrol]

I would say deadly accurate is better with a Deadshot build

Those crit damage numbers push up your damage so much its hilarious

[bold ibex]

getting +60% crit chance consistently from how the headhunter interacts with burst is silly

[tulip condor]

Got the extra ogryn dmg and elite dmg, still dont melt them

[midnight patrol]

The single shot nature of the Vraks is very much perfect for my playstyle

[celest vine]

I have been running an MG12 recently

[midnight patrol]

I do not like the IX and III headhunters.

[celest vine]

And a sword

[quaint valve]

Whats your plasma look like?

[quaint valve]

same, the burst still feels off even with the update

[midnight patrol]

They use up too much stamina for Deadshot. Terrible trigger reset between bursts. And the recoil pattern is not really good when you're headshotting 10 different enemies as fast as the gun can fire

[midnight patrol]

And the Vraks mkVII can shoot off two to three rounds a second. That's a lot of dead shooters

[bold ibex]

but with the headhunters, you get to stack and apply the headhunter skill bonus on the entire burst. So I find it much more reliable.

But it's possible my Vrak just isn't good enough yet.

[quaint valve]

Not sure how your not melting crushers.... this all seems pretty fine.

[tulip condor]

mmm alright. guess ill play around with it more

[bold ibex]

it's very mid. But it did so badly that I don't really wanna invest super hard in one yet.

[midnight patrol]

You don't really need that when aiming for 1 second guarentees a crit with the mk7 as it is with deadshot snrk.

And the mk7 does so much damage that you can even two tap tox framers. Who are maniac armoured mind you to the head

[bold ibex]

aiming for one second is a long time

[desert isle]

sup boys, is vet still fucked

[midnight patrol]

You don't really need the guaranteed crit often, but it allows you to do funny things like crit head shotting Crushers across the room

Save your nades for them when they're so close you can see the Crushers butt crack.

[bold ibex]

that and I guess... Revolver just onetaps everything Vrak is useful on, and with all the reload talents, its downtime isn't bad at all

[bold ibex]

Kind of. But it's enjoyable if you run the broken eapons like revolver, lapistol, etc

[quaint valve]

vraks is for if they nerf the revovler meta

[midnight patrol]

Yes and no. You cant really use the revolver to clear out 10-12 plus shooters in each firefight

[desert isle]

any good build i can just copy paste?

i have a mega cracked revolver

[midnight patrol]

The Vraks can and still be hilariously at 80% ammo reserves

I easily am second to first on numbers of lesser, elite and ranged specialists killed. Because I'm constantly murdering them in the dozens.

[quaint valve]

i put down the vraks for a bit, but now im going to get it going again

[desert isle]

what perks are you runnin with revolver

[spring spindle]

Just looked at the Vet tree for the first time. I hate this, really don’t wanna play Vet now

[desert isle]

real

[midnight patrol]

Do iiit

Master the designated marksman

[quaint valve]

main problem with vet tree is the node tax currently

[bold ibex]

this onetaps crushers

[desert isle]

mega horrendous taxes

[finite imp]

What's the blessings you want for vraks

[midnight patrol]

Make your oggys happy because they can do oggy shit without 12 gunners stun locking them

[desert isle]

thanks champ

[quaint valve]

oh i was loving it before everyone was saying use revolver

[finite imp]

Deadly accurate and opening salvo?

[quaint valve]

headhunter or surgical with deadly acfurate

[midnight patrol]

^

[bold ibex]

if i had the respecs I would either do +25% carapace for needing to not use an ability to ohko crushers. I wouldn't go +25% flak or +25% maniac for the second one, more elite/crit/etc damage... since you will just onetap everything if you shoot them in the face

+reload speed honestly wouldn't be bad as an option for a second perk

[midnight patrol]

The best blessing combos for the mk7 by far

[quaint valve]

whats the pen on the vraks? 3 enemies?

[desert isle]

how would that build work with a columnus V?

[brisk umbra]

ye around that

[desert isle]

also is there another pic you have for the middle part

[midnight patrol]

Vraks cannot overpen alas.

FS likely did that so it doesn't just outclass the other headhunters completely

[bold ibex]

you can use whatever you want for the middle since i get all the middle notes... if you went without survivalist you could even save a piont but I wouldn't recommend it.

I've never used the columnus so I couldn't give you recs there

[midnight patrol]

Although that said. It's not half bad at horde clear if you're truly forced to do it. Basically can guarantee a pox to die with one chest shot. You open up at max RPM and that's 20 or so dead poxes with one mag

[desert isle]

gotcha, thanks.

[glossy remnant]

Guys I just found the perfect Knife for me Vet. Hear me out.

[quaint valve]

i use fullautomod. feels great to me

[midnight mortar]

Ah yeah, good point.

[midnight patrol]

I do yes lol

[bold ibex]

You can also do some weird stuff. Like if you hate focus? This can still onetap Crushers with the tradeoff of slower reloads.

And if you wanna melee more... you can run the second tree... you'll 'only' two shot crushers but oneshot everything else and get full melee support.

oh, as a last lil thing i discovered... speccing into the reload on the ranged ability activation in the right tree? at 7 stacks or more, you reload two shots. any lower and you reload one. Because the switch is basically instant between revolver and melee?

In a horde situation you can just swap between each melee kill, not screw up your combos, and effectively never have to traditionally reload

should i switch maniac to flat crit chance? I really enjoy taking down mutants and flamers quickly but.... 5% is 5% more ammo, essentially

[viral nacelle]

Yes obviously but brrrrrrt

[untold mulch]

also, laspistol does silly crit damage

[viral nacelle]

I didn’t ask for “the actually good recon lasgun” I asked for the least bad 😂

[untold mulch]

VId is the least bad

[zinc osprey]

Nice

[viral nacelle]

Thx bro 🙏

[untold mulch]

I still heavily advice against it

even at its best

[viral nacelle]

Oh yeah I know it’s trash

[untold mulch]

is an ammo hog

[midnight mortar]

Don't do it unless you hate yourself.

[viral nacelle]

Jokes on you

[bold ibex]

...oh i'm stupid. I already had a better laspistol with +4% crit chance and a better dumdum.

[fleet garden]

what do you want on your shovel

[viral nacelle]

Laspistol is illegal on vet unless you are named Han Yolo

[fleet garden]

thrust and skullcrusher?

[viral nacelle]

Sorry that’s what emprah said

[bold ibex]

now I just need to find ghost 4 and i'll be happy

1.2s ranged immunity on weakspot hit seems crazy

[untold mulch]

I run it a lot because is a poor man recon

that actually does shit

[whole moon]

What about Jan Polo? He's the one with the hole in.
I'll get my coat

[bold ibex]

all or nothing?

I'm thinking of trying it on an antax...

[viral nacelle]

Ayyyyyyyy

[bold ibex]

+35% power is a lot and it's stupid easy to knock out stamina.

[viral nacelle]

Fellow dads unite

[whole moon]

I'm of that age for sure 🙂

[viral nacelle]

Nice, I’ve got one on the way soon

I’m gonna make the world’s weirdest little girl blessed be but by god she’ll shoot like a god

[junior needle]

The stopping power is a bit yikes unfortunately

[finite imp]

No see cuz there is no yikes. Yikes would imply there's something scary going on which there isn't because this is a normal conversation

[whole moon]

Congratulations! One more for your clan, I wish her a healthy, happy life sir!

[fleet garden]

what do you think about this

cropping is shit but idc

[viral nacelle]

Indeed sah! Rashuns all around!

[whole moon]

Windows button + shift + S to take a crop from the screen

Will store in clipboard so just paste wherever

[fleet garden]

I am not playing in borderless fullscreen

hence I cant use the snipping tool

[whole moon]

It doesn't matter

[quaint valve]

stats are fine, blessings are meh

[river escarp]

Is this worth ?

[fleet garden]

what blessings do you want then

[spare geyser]

Guys, I need a melee weapon suggestion to pair with my Helbore 1. Something that clears trash zombies.

[brisk umbra]

i mean not really

[quaint valve]

stats are fine, but thats 3 items to reroll. Could be salvaged if your last blessing was onslught or surgical

[brisk umbra]

you really do need to hit an insane blessing on orange

(what voracious said)

[river escarp]

A Chainsword or a pretty good Combat Axe

[whole moon]

I've got DumDum and the other direct damage one but Raking Fire is great for in your face style play

[quaint valve]

Dclaw baby

[fleet garden]

ye sustained fire is probably not that good but raking fire seems good imo

so ye ill make another one with raking and dumdum or something else

[bold ibex]

i love this sword so much.

[quaint valve]

dum dum and fire fenzy or whatever are just easier to activate than raking

[river escarp]

Got Surgical

[brisk umbra]

you lucky sack of shit

[quaint valve]

swap no respite for onslaught. Hadron was nice to u

[river escarp]

As if. Ive been having bad rolls all day. Weapon Wise

[bold ibex]

Powersword with wrath and powercycler. The three hits of powercycler will build up wrath and cleave everything, then you can just keep cleaving. The benefit over purely dedicated crowd control tools is you don't sacrifice anti-armored damage by that much.

[quaint valve]

PS doesnt need cleave.

[fleet garden]

just need a butt load of plasteel

[quaint valve]

better get slaughterer or brutal momentum on powersword

[spare geyser]

What does the final tier of power cycler do?

[quaint valve]

2 hits instead of 1

[brisk umbra]

It's night and day

[bold ibex]

It does if you aren't charging up the sword consistently. Why would you go Brutal Momentum when it's conditional and generally worse?

[brisk umbra]

For ps6 mostly, since the 3 total hits really does help with killing crushers if your weapon isn't perfect and helps a lot with trash clear

[fleet garden]

id say brutal over wrath any day

[brisk umbra]

how is it conditional? >> Just aim at head and cleave infinite enemies >>

[quaint valve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggcSlbYWTn4&t=972s

[weak willow]

Hey r bolt gun builds still good?

[quaint valve]

also why use powersword if you arent charging up? its dps drops when you dont use charge strikes. But anyway that video explains

[bold ibex]

You're not guaranteed to get a head pop every swing. And 250% cleave puts in work.

[brisk umbra]

With a powered up* attack? It absolutely oneshots anything :v

[white minnow]

brumo's main benefit is against bruiser patrols

[bold ibex]

I explained why already. You get a solid mobbing weapon with three cleaves and some secondary blessing to help that mobbing. Then you still have a weapon that excells at killing heavies/armored/bosses.

[quaint valve]

Powersword already has high cleave and its way overkill to use wrath

[white minnow]

cleave is nice with specials

if only for rager/mauler patrols

[young sequoia]

it isnt meta anymore. ppl use plasma or even revolver for high single target now

[bold ibex]

this is da wae.

[white minnow]

which is why you would run Sunder

[bold ibex]

Oh yeah, Sunder would be the best choice.

[weak willow]

sigh all that work and resources gone

[white minnow]

because sunder gives 400% cleave and bypasses the cleave stop from carapace

[weak willow]

Uhhh I guess any new build recommendations for a vet?

Lvl 30

[young sequoia]

krak*, survivalist, shout, tag keystone. plasma and mkVI power sword w power cycling

[whole moon]

Columnus, Chainsword, Krak Grenades and Executioner Stance

[bold ibex]

For boltgun? You can use the focus keystone with the extra node to regen while standing in place. with executioner stnace it still puts in work.

If you mean more generally... revolver is Boltgun but better.

[sharp ember]

boltguns are just alright now

[whole moon]

He said new build. Powersword is an.... Investment lol

[warm schooner]

shovel uber alles

[weak willow]

Wait what

[bold ibex]

particularly because it gets +80% rending on crit, which stacks with what you have in talents, so you can oneshot every enemy in damnation if you feel like it. Then with all the reload talents you reload more or less instantly.

It's kinda like how boltgun used to be where you just chain onetapped every enemy and elite with the old pinning fire

[young sequoia]

;-; fair, don't remind me

[young sequoia]

sry what part is confusing

[weak willow]

Tag key stone

[young sequoia]

its the middle bottom

[strange grove]

bottom middle

[young sequoia]

have u played since the keystomes were added?

[quaint valve]

its just easy free damage for the whole team

[weak willow]

Alright and o assume just be line for the stuff

[weak willow]

No

[bold ibex]

should I switch weakspot damage to flak or unyielding? I'm a bit on the fence.

[weak willow]

It’s why I’m feeling all turned around

[young sequoia]

nah, survivalist is too good not to get unless you're super strapped for talents

[brisk umbra]

Honestly, get Focus Target it's the chilliest if you spam tag

[strange grove]

worth rerolling for dumdum?

[junior needle]

The base rolls are a bit weak, but yeah you’d want to do that

[sharp ember]

yeah slap on dumdum, it's too good

[junior needle]

Yes, bugged dumdum is consistent damage on most ranges

[strange grove]

fffffffffffffff there goes my plasteel and shit

[junior needle]

Stopping power is kinda low but the gun is so overtuned you should be fine

[strange grove]

or can I just change out fire frenzy for dumdum?

[hybrid token]

IIII TRIED SO HAAARDD, AND GOT SO FAAAR, BUT IN THE END

IT DIDNT E VEN MATTER

[craggy glade]

Does deathspitter stack?

[bold ibex]

i'll take a useful perk and blessing over slightly better base stats. trying for one with a bit higher first target just isn'tw orth my sanity.

also have that but i'm not sure what I want to do wtih it yet

[whole moon]

That weapon WILL make farming more a lot easier tho

[strange grove]

holy shit this is on melk right now

[whole moon]

Melk should be fkn stocking T4s but I understand you may want that

[tardy turtle]

swap flak for maniac or gloryhunter for volitile?

[bold ibex]

if you want to use that weapon type it's not awful.

[strange grove]

change to flak/maniac and g2g

[flint garden]

56 stopping power

[mystic belfry]

Just got decimater 4 fodder from a mission reward :)

[gritty dock]

Can anyone tell me what the 20% Corruption Resistance (Grimoires) gives and when it is useful?

[mystic belfry]

Resists purple permanent damage over time from holding grimm

And it isn't, unlike vermintide you can't easily farm missions with grimms

[bright cliff]

spooky book literally kills you if you read it for too long

[junior needle]

Keep in mind that you need to one shot headshot things to start the pain train with brutal, and low enough base stats will prevent you from doing that.

Headtaker can put you over the threshold depending on the stacks/stats but that’s a couple attacks where you aren’t actually cleaving shit while you stack it.

[thin kernel]

Hello Vet Enjoyers
What blessings am I looking for on Plasma gun?

[sour elbow]

It's niche but can be useful, depending on your build.

[craggy glade]

its worthlss as it only reduces the intital corruption not the dot corruption

never was patched

[flint garden]

prevent you from getting griefed by randoms with pick up grimoires