veteran-class

[mystic belfry]

It's always a great sign when you start a match and your entire team unload ammo on the first three pox walkers they see

You know it's going to be a dry run

[bitter turtle]

Do people like HH or surgical vraks7

[karmic musk]

I mean if nobody else is doing it...

[bitter turtle]

I'm running surgical

But I was wondering

[frank ether]

on 7 I prefer surgical

[mystic belfry]

I will sometimes shoot plasma at shooters. But I took smoke on that build for a reason

[delicate moat]

based

[forest blaze]

There’s normally enough specials in AM/AD that I’m naturally clearing the horde while taking out specials/elites

[frank ether]

vraks 7 doesnt get the massive 45 round mag like vraks 3

so I think surgical lets me make the most of its ammo

[bitter turtle]

Ye makes sense

[karmic musk]

I had a 3 Ogryn 1 Vet match once, guess who's shooting at the shooters

[forest blaze]

All of my ranged non special kills are simply collateral damage

[bitter turtle]

Just sometimes I do have to pump like 10 rounds

Like on crusher/maulers

So I wasn't sure

[frank ether]

yeah it goes from 0 to 100 its all down to crits

[mystic belfry]

Not the vet, he can't see shit past the wall of meat

[frank ether]

when its a crusher/mauler having surgical lets you just wait and hit crit after crit

[karmic musk]

Exe Stance and plasma ignores Ogryn, ez

[frank ether]

with HH you'd have to spam

[mystic belfry]

You don't need exe stance for that.

[bitter turtle]

I see

[frank ether]

which is K for spammy guns

like vraks 3 is a spammy gun

so is agri HH

[karmic musk]

I do, cuz I can't see shit without it

[forest blaze]

This. Ogryns drop to plasma without exec

[mystic belfry]

Just tag

[karmic musk]

Tag shooters?

[bitter turtle]

I'm always mashing that tag button

[mystic belfry]

Let the ogryns tank the shooters with their infinite toughness

[bitter turtle]

Lmao

[frank ether]

gunners even in the dark can be identified by their green helmet glow

their eyes glow

[mystic belfry]

Assuming theres three fucken ogryns

[karmic musk]

They tanking them on the floor you mean

[placid portal]

Green is only scab gooners but red for dreg gooners

[forest blaze]

You can normally just ignore the shooters with plasma tbh. Just use your sword and stick to cover

[placid portal]

[mystic belfry]

An ogryn can just tank five shooters by using heavy attacks on anything

[ruby hull]

Here is my dream, helbore special swaps between melee mode and ranged mode instead of a melee attack.

Ranged mode acts like normal
Melee mode let's try block with rifle, light and heavy attack and do a bayonet charge with sprint attack

Melee mode procs all melee feats
Maybe make equip time to rifle longer to balance the fact you have a second full melee weapon

[placid portal]

Feel no pain + 3 10% toughness resist

55% toughness res base

[mystic belfry]

And more than that, plus they get a ton back by just heavy attacking

[placid portal]

Ye 20% 25% per heavy

[frank ether]

I mean that'd be cool but it does replace your melee at that point, considering they havent done any dual wields it probably won't happen

[placid portal]

Super tanky

[frank ether]

I like the idea though

like it'd be cool

[mystic belfry]

Meanwhile, they had to nerf vet toughness generation

[ruby hull]

It could just take both slots

[mystic belfry]

🤔

[placid portal]

Lmao

[frank ether]

but I just accept reality and I'm happy with bromentum slicing for now

[placid portal]

When kill confirm is 10%

Bruh moment

What a kick in the nuts

[ruby hull]

I want a full kriegsman bayonet charge veteran

[forest blaze]

Personally… I’m ready for new weapons. Bolt pistol. Plas pistol. Hellgun.

[placid portal]

Esp when they didnt fix exhil takedown

[mystic belfry]

Why'd they have to nerf the instant heal so hard and not the heal over time

Fucken rude

[frank ether]

we just need ET fixed

[karmic musk]

Hellgun without power pack

[frank ether]

then it will be K

[placid portal]

No cap mk1 bayonet stabbing is fucking insqne

[placid portal]

Yea i need that fix ffs FS

Legit you kill faster stabbing certain enemies than shooting if close range

[forest blaze]

I wanna recreate Necromunda with dual plas pistol, no melee.

[placid portal]

Mk3 needs to fix its jank ass melee animation tbh

Or be stabby

[frank ether]

not the best roll but this was pretty good today

[mystic belfry]

when you load into a damnation match screen and there's a level 17 and a level 18 zealot with stealth

[placid portal]

Id say its very good

[placid portal]

[frank ether]

%10 elite is a respectable perk

[placid portal]

Truth

Maniac is not needed btw

[delicate moat]

8% elite however is despicable

[placid portal]

You already 1 shot most maniac specialists

Try carapace or flak imo

[delicate moat]

oh btw for mg 1a, do you still want the classic flak/maniac perks?

[placid portal]

Yep

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[placid portal]

Deadly plus headhunter

Git those lethal head crits

[delicate moat]

now if hadron would actually roll to those and not +1.5 stamina / 15% sprint efficiency / efficiency

[midnight mortar]

Yep, it's the same principle as the XII.

Deadly Accurate and Headhunter.

[frank ether]

yeah probably not

actually

good point

[marsh condor]

What's the maximum number of bleed stacks?

[placid portal]

Helbore with kantrael sights are goated ngl

[placid portal]

16

[midnight mortar]

16

[marsh condor]

Okay

[placid portal]

I tested helbore with accratan and kantrael and kantrael offers better target acquisition from experience

[marsh condor]

So Veteran's Serrated Blade + Lacerate Blessings...means only 4 hits to reach that max stat?

[placid portal]

Lacerate 4 gives 4 stacks

[delicate moat]

yeah

[acoustic wyvern]

i didnt know this was possible

[frank ether]

you're one point short of %20 ogryn/monstro

[marsh condor]

Imma be honest.

I prefer being a Grenadier.

So BOMBS EVERYWHERE AWAY

[acoustic wyvern]

ogryns and monstro gets targeted often, i'll leave it to the team if they're targeting it

[delicate moat]

the 2.5%? toughness replenishment node can go for 20% ogryn/monstro

[placid portal]

20% ogryn boost is so significant bc you 1 shot reapers with mk4

Mk3*

[frank ether]

I wish I could have the same confidence in my team lol

[placid portal]

Sadge moment

[placid portal]

If a chad ogryn with a club is soloing a boss then you're set

[acoustic wyvern]

sorry wdym?

[delicate moat]

wait what exactly does that 2.5% toughness replenishment node do?

[half wigeon]

Having lvl 30 in my Auric maelstrom 💀💀

[placid portal]

...

[acoustic wyvern]

oh the keystone?

[delicate moat]

yeah

[frank ether]

ogryn means more than %20 damage boost to me anyways

[placid portal]

Thats.... whats thr lvl

[frank ether]

since stunned boss = guaranteed weakspots

[placid portal]

Fair

[acoustic wyvern]

each stack of focus lets you regain toughness per kill

[frank ether]

but thats assuming best case scenario

[marsh condor]

How good is Mercy Killer?

[placid portal]

Wait wat

[delicate moat]

but it's "toughness replenishment" not toughness straight up no?

[placid portal]

I thought it was toughness replenishment

[delicate moat]

idk what that description means at all

[placid portal]

Not recover toughness

[acoustic wyvern]

tbh its kinda vague but i let it think what it does for me atm and sort it out later

it hasnt failed me yet

[placid portal]

Toughness replenishment affects mostly coherency regen speed and delay

[marsh condor]

Someone should damage themselves in the Psykarium and test it out

[south garnet]

Toughness regen = coherence, toughness replen = from talents, blessings, etc

[placid portal]

Oh

Thats nice

Thanking you

[acoustic wyvern]

oh that'll work with confirmed kill nicely then. thats even better

[unreal bone]

Mob is the dump stat you only want good mob after you get good damage and pen

[wanton dawn]

Damage = Damage. Base damage = Damage

[south garnet]

Thanks for naming everything distinctly so it's hard to get anything confused fatlard

I especially appreciate always prepared being distinguished from always prepared

[frank ether]

obese megalodon

[mystic belfry]

More like tasty soup tbh

[wanton dawn]

I still dunno what impact does

[mystic belfry]

bonk

[wanton dawn]

And i dont care tbf

[south garnet]

Stagger, that's it

[frank ether]

Idk something something stagger

[delicate moat]

emotional damage

[ruby hull]

oh

i just discovered something

the bayonet DOES trigger the 25% damage buff from getting a melee or ranged kill and swapping weapons

[south garnet]

Impact effects which teammates will congratulate you on your flashy looks and stylish Maneuvers during the match

[frank ether]

which melee weapons have bromentum besides pswords? I think axes do

I want to make a list of what I can pair with hb3

[wanton dawn]

Neato

[ruby hull]

free damage right there

[placid portal]

It would still count as ranged weapon kill so you will have the damage bonus on your melee weapon

[ruby hull]

nah

it works

ranged counts as ranged kill

[placid portal]

Wat

[ruby hull]

melee counts as melee kill

[south garnet]

Sounds like it should be that way, which means it's a bug and will be removed soon

[wanton dawn]

Then again, hb is not a great user of this node

[placid portal]

So helbore melee can give itself 25% ranged dmg

[delicate moat]

[ruby hull]

you can have both 25% buffs at the same time with hellbore

[frank ether]

it also triggers volley fire reset fyi

[placid portal]

If killing marked

[gleaming turtle]

And? Test it in the Psyk with the loadout config mod and see if it meets the breakpoints you need, if it does - then there isn't a problem.

[ruby hull]

which technically gives it a 50% damage buff after a melee and ranged kill in succession

[frank ether]

just not a great weapon in general for right tree

[ruby hull]

so uh

thats a thing

[wanton dawn]

"Technically"

[placid portal]

Helbore melee is still goatd

[frank ether]

It doesnt need right tree though

bromentum helps hb3 bayonet more than the entire right tree does

[wanton dawn]

Last time ppl tried the technically i was told that born leader is a good node

[delicate moat]

im still sad they made 15% melee speed to 10%

[placid portal]

How tf you use mk3 helbore melee feels weak

[frank ether]

bromentum works on bayonet

thats how

[placid portal]

Wat

[ruby hull]

yup, just tested it, killing an enemy with a bayonet stab, and then killing one with a shot gives the 50% damage increase to helbore

[frank ether]

yea

that makes bayonet viable

[wanton dawn]

Handcannon moment

[placid portal]

Weapon with bromentum applies to helbore?

[frank ether]

fatshark if you're reading

[placid portal]

Bruuuuuuhhh

[delicate moat]

[frank ether]

please dont take this away from me

[placid portal]

LMAOOOO

[south garnet]

They should remove the bayonet from helbore 3 and just make it whacking them with the heaviest rifle

[placid portal]

helbore mk3 needs to be stabby

[south garnet]

If you're not stabbing anyway

[frank ether]

I'll suffer emotional damage if bromentum gets axed to nerf power sword or some shit

my helbore depends on it

[placid portal]

Whack into stab combo

[south garnet]

Hell yea

[placid portal]

Like how real bayonet training goes

[south garnet]

That would make it actually fun so won't happen but would be wicked

[meager forge]

what are the chances of getting power cycler

[placid portal]

Yes

[south garnet]

Only took me 900 hours

[ruby hull]

i was not expecting them to actually code the bayonet to trigger the melee half of agile engagement

[meager forge]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-gif-18261463

[ruby hull]

im betting agile engagment doesnt even check for a weapon swap

[frank ether]

wtf lmao

[placid portal]

Lmaooo

[frank ether]

thats... okay

thats not bad

[wanton dawn]

That's fine cuz it is not "good" anyway

[frank ether]

probably doesnt work the same way for the keystone though

[ruby hull]

so uh yeah

[gleaming turtle]

^

[ruby hull]

helbore just buffs itself with agile

[placid portal]

Bayonet stab kills most specials in one or 2 hit anyway

[ruby hull]

neato

[meager forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/953162441288728586/1157870948641427519/1156895750911967292.gif?ex=651a2eda&is=6518dd5a&hm=e7a72aaec05d5640ca7ca9d6223fa62485a69e88d37ebb6e3d1adfe6289b0697&

[frank ether]

yeah its kind of a consolidation prize for having garbage swap speeds anyways but its nice

[gleaming turtle]

No offense to guys who like the Helbore, but it's bad. I get it. It's iconic, and neat, but it's also bad. We got so many bad weapons as a class.

[placid portal]

Even kills reapers in 6 stabs

[ruby hull]

i might actually take the mk2

[south garnet]

Too late, FS saw the post saying there's positive synergy, it will be gone next patch. Meanwhile exhilarating takedown will still be bugged

[frank ether]

Idk dude hb1-2 are pretty good

[ruby hull]

on a left tree build

[placid portal]

Mk3 needs proper adjustment

[ruby hull]

right tree

[wanton dawn]

Hb is not great this patch due to spawn change

[ruby hull]

mk2 on a right tree build

[delicate moat]

i hate that gunners and reapers still unleash bullet hose into you when you're literally in their face

[frank ether]

mk2 mows down gunners very fast

[ruby hull]

not right

[south garnet]

And no I'm not bothered by it at all, why would you suggest that

[frank ether]

probably the best this patch is mk2

[placid portal]

Mk1 is fun

[acoustic wyvern]

The great thing about the helbore is that its works super well against specials and elites. i get it, it might not be your playstyle and yea i agree that its not for me

[frank ether]

I prefer it to mk2

I feel like mk1 is fast enough for me

and I'm a little slow at aligning shots anyways

[placid portal]

Fair enough its carapace damage is same and mk2 shoots faster

[gleaming turtle]

Other guns do as well, without the terrible gimmick. The charge up right now, I can't explain it any other way, is just bad.

[delicate moat]

i want a m1 garand for vet

[acoustic wyvern]

is it the charge time thats mostly bothering you?

[frank ether]

thats odd

[meager remnant]

any thoughts on braced autoguns?

[frank ether]

charge is least of my worries with onslaught

without it, mk3 is slow I admit

[gleaming turtle]

It's the combination of the charge time with the lack of punch through.

[frank ether]

but I dont have onslaught on mine lmao

[meager remnant]

been trying them on aurics and bracing is a pain sometimes

[acoustic wyvern]

i love it but it doesnt have as much weakspot dmg

[frank ether]

bracing is a scam anyways, just run and hipfire

[placid portal]

Braced having no weakpoint is a turn off for me

[delicate moat]

feels like braced isn't as good as infantry AGs this patch

[meager remnant]

lmfao thats what ive been thinking

[placid portal]

Agreed

[frank ether]

braced is just executioner hipfire spam gun

executioner tightens your spread and recoil

[meager remnant]

I thought it was one of those git gud guns

[frank ether]

so its a big accuracy boost

[placid portal]

IAG is jus more reliable to ranged engagement

[wanton dawn]

Brauto lacks an easy build synergy

[frank ether]

take executioner and ignore the keystone I'd say

[delicate moat]

every time I run brauto there's always a sniper sitting 500m away

[meager remnant]

IKR?

[frank ether]

or maybe do a right build

if melee is your thing

[ruby hull]

wow

[delicate moat]

i wish i had a rock or something when i use brauto

[wanton dawn]

I aint taking exe stance

[ruby hull]

bayonet on mk2 is so nasty

[frank ether]

do stripped down brrauto, right tree gives you ranged damage immunity that way

[placid portal]

Mk1 and 2 is the same but yes

[meager remnant]

I mean brauto can be good with deadshot?

[placid portal]

So stronk

[placid portal]

Heck nah

[meager remnant]

but at that point take the infantry autogun

[frank ether]

nah its too inaccurate for that

[placid portal]

Waste stamina for 30% of shots to hit with 25% crit

[ruby hull]

the damage is the same but the attack speed feels faster

[meager remnant]

hmm ok thanks for the insight

[placid portal]

Same stabby speed iirc

[frank ether]

I think bayonets are identical for mk1/2

its only 3 that gets the quirky one

but if you do the bromentum no jutsu it shall work

[placid portal]

Mk3 needs a fix

[delicate moat]

what if we just stuck a dueling sword on the mk3

[placid portal]

Animation is too choppy

[wanton dawn]

That's because mk3 is top heavy so cannot stabby stab efficiently

[frank ether]

Just put bromentum into the base mk3, clean up animation a bit and you have yourself a lovely halberd

[placid portal]

Exactly

The swing delay makes it harder to manage even 5 bruisers

While stabby can handle twice the enemies

[frank ether]

stabby is insane at dealing with scary stuff

like ragers, muties, dogs

[placid portal]

Yee

[amber portal]

wait what

im confused

[placid portal]

Helbore stab

[amber portal]

uh huh

[sharp ember]

turns out you can just stunlock a mauler with bayonet chest stabs

[placid portal]

Can 1 shot dog in head

[placid portal]

Oh

Thats cool

[frank ether]

can two shot mutie which is absurdly good

[amber portal]

ah

[frank ether]

mk3 doesnt

but thats ok

[amber portal]

actually does something now

[frank ether]

mk3 has the drag thing

[placid portal]

Bayonet is strong as heck now

[gilded cobalt]

I really hope hadron dosnt mess this up

[placid portal]

Woe

[frank ether]

that looks lovely

[desert hawk]

hadron about to ruin your day

[frank ether]

good luck

[placid portal]

Punishing salvo upon thee

[gilded cobalt]

this is it so far

[ruby hull]

oh noes, mk2 is really good with a right side tree

[frank ether]

saved

[gilded cobalt]

its not a god roll, but I think its not gonna be bricked

[sharp ember]

i've started charging dogs because of that and it's hilarious

[placid portal]

Fun shit

[ruby hull]

it deals like 3k dps coming out of stealth with the bayonet

[placid portal]

Lol

[frank ether]

you got two 2/4 good already, it will be good

[sharp ember]

UNBRICKABLE

[gilded cobalt]

I can keep manic on there, and then whatever I get for the other blessing can be swapped ofr surgical and ranged crit can be swapped to something else

[placid portal]

Mk2 need maniac for bps iirc

[south garnet]

There will still be no worse curse than prepatch limbshitter in the mk 5 axe supremacy

[placid portal]

Lol

[frank ether]

you want surgical on the other blessing

even tho mk2 shoots so fast

[placid portal]

Still nicr

[frank ether]

no better alternative

[gilded cobalt]

yep. I need to get some more plasteel

[frank ether]

no competition for crit blessings on hb

I dont think hbs get headhunter

[placid portal]

Nope

[amber portal]

surgical onslaugt im pretty sure

[placid portal]

Lucius has not many blessings

[gilded cobalt]

what do I want on hel bore, maniac + flak?

[frank ether]

yea so surgical it is

[placid portal]

Elite is nice

[gilded cobalt]

Ill play around with it once I get the plasteel to get it to transcendant

[ruby hull]

jesus fucking christ

what is this bayonet made of

[placid portal]

Yep

[amber portal]

deez nuts

https://tenor.com/view/gotem-gif-18695498

[frank ether]

you can actually leave the %4 crit in there if you want

[placid portal]

Empra's wrath

Tru

[gilded cobalt]

oh really?

[frank ether]

because mk2 shoots so fast

if you want to go for crits

[placid portal]

Crit is always nice for helbore

[delicate moat]

gonna use gunker to farm plasteel for my vet

[soft solstice]

Is something up with weapon specialist and the tactical axe? Because I feel the attack speed is way higher than what I would expect from 25% attack speed

[gilded cobalt]

Yeah, then I can just use this forever really

keep it out the entire time and crit for free ammo

[ruby hull]

with stealth it one shots a mutant on a headshot

[gilded cobalt]

INFINITE AMMO

[placid portal]

Yep

Though mk2 barely uses ammo as well

[frank ether]

you'll lose ammo if you shoot fast but thats ok

with the amount you save it ends up not a problem

[placid portal]

2 to 4 ammo per shot

Not much

[frank ether]

shock trooper plus survivalist is too good

so what little you lose, ends up irrelevant

[gleaming turtle]

I will admit I've tried to make this thing work, but I can't figure it out. Maybe I am just using the wrong build, I don't know. I want to make it work so I can have a Steel Legion cosplay going on, but it just seems so finicky and I loathe the weapon swap.

The lack of punchthrough, the weapon swap, the charge time seeming almost server tick-rate dependent than anything else, I don't know.

[frank ether]

maniac is good on mark 3, drops shots to kill by one on certain stuff

yeah I'd say I also wanted more pierce out of mk3 charged shots

all the helbores only pierce one I believe

[placid portal]

What stuff specifically?

[gleaming turtle]

Allies, lmao

[placid portal]

Lol

[south garnet]

It helps to think of arming your helbore as doing your taxes. It prepares you for another year of success, but you must be prepared for it and do it on time

[gleaming turtle]

It would fix so many weapons, or at least make them viable.

If you could shoot through your allies.

[frank ether]

just try mark 1 or 2 they shoot very fast and have a strong bayonet that can even do bayonet charge

[gleaming turtle]

It's the biggest reason why I throw my hands up in the air and just use the Plasma half the time despite being utterly burned out on it.

[placid portal]

Mk3 has none of that xp

[dusk idol]

me > real asian robot

[placid portal]

But feels good sniping with mk3

[dusk idol]

i am truly the better asian bot

[placid portal]

Who is bot

Oh

The youtuber?

[dusk idol]

you never heard of the official darktide partner?

lmao yeah

[placid portal]

Ye lmao

Forgor

[desert hawk]

W H

[placid portal]

I see telo and chocob

Good shit

[dusk idol]

respecc

telo and choco got me into darktide ngl

[placid portal]

They are goated with sauce

[dusk idol]

watching them play was sick

[delicate moat]

uh oh 2 stealth zealots

[placid portal]

Rip

Tbh if they are worth their salt I say no offense to them

Until they get downed in 1 min from start

[wanton dawn]

I only know him cuz somebody linked his ps nerf complaint video

[frank ether]

every playstyle is fair game as long as they make it work

I think the stereotype is there cause a lot of the people just watch ''true solo'' videos and then try to be like that in a 4 man game lmao

[wanton dawn]

Btw, i said about a month ago that plasma is going to get nerfed

[placid portal]

Yep

Part 2 traitor xurse is gonna be epix

[fast scaffold]

You'll never be a better team player though

[wanton dawn]

Imagine needing only 1 game to realize that something is overtuned

[frank ether]

Vets: Please fix ET
FS: ok

the monkey paw curls

[placid portal]

Ie revolver

[mystic belfry]

One thing I will say about the ps6, it's a fun boss weapon

[fast scaffold]

I don't know what they nerf about plasma and make it feel good still

[mystic belfry]

I don't think plasma is in need a nerf

Like, it's strong, but it ain't breaking the game

[placid portal]

It is doing what it's made to do

[mystic belfry]

Maybe as some point in the future ,but there's way better things to buff or nerf atm

[placid portal]

Vaporize heretics

[wanton dawn]

It is p12 bolter popularity wise

[fast scaffold]

I don't think it need needs one, I think it's more of an issue that it takes advantage of the skill tree very well

[mystic belfry]

Why is that an issue

[fast scaffold]

Because the current tree is very meh feeling (from what I've heard)

[mystic belfry]

left and right skill caps are currently annoying as you have to constantly think about them, at least a bit

[ruby hull]

aight so, im goin deep down the bayonet rabbit hole now, helbore can proc both sides of agile engagment, desperado affects bayonet damage, trench fighter, exploit weakness, serrated edge and onslaught all work on bayonet as well as all the out of stealth damage bonuses, and skirmisher stacks while using baynonet sprint attack

[mystic belfry]

They damn well better work well with at least some things

[wanton dawn]

Cuz p12 bolter had like 50% game presence with more than 50% wr on auric

[placid portal]

Vet tree is jumbled and we make do with what we get

[ruby hull]

i can get bayonet to 2 shot a rager with headshots without stealth

[placid portal]

Wat

[fast scaffold]

Because survivalist still exists imo, until they kill it and bury it deep we won't have a healthy class

[placid portal]

Scsb ragers or dreg

[ruby hull]

scab and dreg

[mystic belfry]

Survivlist is strong, but it ain't ruining the game

[placid portal]

how?

For 2 stab kill

[wanton dawn]

It is the single most wrapping talent node in the game

[mystic belfry]

Indeed, but it's mostly just enabling having too much ammo

That's very strong, but it's not ruining the game

[fast scaffold]

Its strong, but it's more unhealthy than it is busted in the traditional scoreboard sense

[mystic belfry]

I wouldn't mind it being gone, honestly. I don't even run it outside of my support builds

[ebon umbra]

just make it innate

[ruby hull]

one half of agile engagment, 5 stacks of skirmisher (maybe 3-4 will have to test), serrated edge, close quarters killzone, and desperado

[placid portal]

Crit hits needed?

[ruby hull]

i dont even have 25% maniac damage on the rifle yet

[ruby hull]

no

[placid portal]

Nicr

[ruby hull]

just headshots

[dusk idol]

😔

[placid portal]

Amazing work

[wanton dawn]

Vet should have passive, NOT SHARED ammo regen talent

[mystic belfry]

Why

[ruby hull]

yeah the right side of the tree buffs the bayonet to absurd levels

[mystic belfry]

Guns should just be balance around the guns ammo pool

[placid portal]

Tbf team score is weird imo

[fast scaffold]

Vet would be better off if they instead just got more ammo out of map spawn ammo

[dusk idol]

defense score is weirder

you got more points for blocking enemy attacks

[placid portal]

That too

That is dumb

[dusk idol]

[wanton dawn]

You still have score on your scoreboard ?

[fast scaffold]

It is, if you press a button at the start of a match you have 400 vs 50 to everyone else

[dusk idol]

it's old scoreboard i never changed to ovens

[placid portal]

Lmao

[dusk idol]

or any of the others

[mystic belfry]

Vermintide had some interesting options, like crits regen ammo (Limited to deep in a tree, and only lasguns for some reason?) and headshots don't use ammo

Those are better options

[wanton dawn]

It can be removed on base

[dusk idol]

oh fr how do you do that?

[nocturne mulch]

https://streamable.com/6nn1qj

[wanton dawn]

Yeah

[nocturne mulch]

1 hit mutant with devil claw

[placid portal]

Nice

[wanton dawn]

Sir, use window alt R

[fast scaffold]

I think getting more ammo from map pickups as an ability or increasing ammo reserves across the board for vet would be better than survivalist

[nocturne mulch]

It's GeForce Now

[mystic belfry]

I still wanna know what was the though process for this

Why las weapons only?

[dusk idol]

ngl crit bolter with no ammo consumption woulda gone hard

[midnight mortar]

""""Flexibility""""".

[flint garden]

infinite revolver

[placid portal]

God

[south garnet]

Why not just a full free reload for each teammate per match ala killing floor, and passive regen for yourself

[vague forge]

Hallo everyone! I am fairly new to vet and in general don't look up a ton of builds so I was looking for some advice. Currently running a sort of (what I determine) to be a supportive carry vet build. I basically wanted to make a solid solo q build using the weapons I thought were cool and not neccesarily optimal. Is there anything incredibly op that I'm missing or anything super garbage that i'm specc'd into?

[placid portal]

Swap limb splitter for Uncanny

Really good shit

[mystic belfry]

... Supportive carry build with specialist and infilitrate?

[acoustic wyvern]

the top right node you can swap for the middle top

[mystic belfry]

Are you sure you said that right

[dusk idol]

support with stealth?

[junior needle]

Lasguns are the iconic guardsman weapon, so I assume that's why they get special treatment

[placid portal]

Revive

[nocturne mulch]

Shout instead of stealth

[flint garden]

get rid of twinned blast and bottom left specialist node and get agile engagement

[mystic belfry]

Like fam

That's not support at all

That's the opposite of support

[fast scaffold]

If we get rid of survivalist and smoke grenade, what would you replace them with?

[vague forge]

I guess maybe we just have different ideas of what support is!

[wanton dawn]

Stop being mean. You all look like beginner to me

[ebon umbra]

-lvl 1500 vet

[south garnet]

Peg leg and hand tremors

[placid portal]

Lol

[fast scaffold]

A bottle of amsec to stop the tremors would be better

[vague forge]

Good call. Have found both of those pretty mediocre.

[south garnet]

Let's not make the vet any more op OK?

[acoustic wyvern]

if you can free a node from twinned blast, you can either take the +dmg up node or the toughness node for infil

[shell berry]

You think this is worth the ride to orange or should I just earn bloodletter off it?

[fast scaffold]

Right now my vet is sober, I need him to be normal!

[mystic belfry]

Ditch it

[vague forge]

Stealth is just a lot more versatile to me. I enjoy the style a great deal more.

[mystic belfry]

If you need a chainsword to use at all, save it for the moment then ditch it when you get a better one

[dusk idol]

honestly if you use the build you linked and you like it, and it works for your playstyle

go ahead

[acoustic wyvern]

also since you're using krak, get the dmg upgrade for grenades

[mystic belfry]

You can run infilitrate if you want, it's your preference. But it's not a support build

[dusk idol]

make sure it does what it wants you to do and that you have some way to cover your weaknesses whatever they may be

[nocturne mulch]

They asked for advice lol

[mystic belfry]

Problem is, if you tell us you want help with a support build, and then show one of the least supportive builds in the game, how do we give advice?

[nocturne mulch]

Shout is OP for support

[mystic belfry]

Do you want a support build, or an infiltrate build?

[acoustic wyvern]

he has a different idea for support and has taken multiple support nodes. i think its great for him

[south garnet]

Vet ult "get my head straight"

[acoustic wyvern]

it is support carry right?

[nocturne mulch]

How advise 🥲

[mystic belfry]

What significant support does it have besides ammo aura

[acoustic wyvern]

leave no one behind

[mystic belfry]

Significant

[hollow solstice]

Infiltrate is a support ability lol

[acoustic wyvern]

nades for cc or dmg

[ruby hull]

wait a second, what if i added falter and no respite + 25% maniac damage to mk2

[mystic belfry]

Krak grenades are the least supportive nade

[ruby hull]

oh gods

the gears are turning

[south garnet]

The back of your shirt is a good place to wipe boots on before leaving for the next battle

[acoustic wyvern]

gives breathing room whn a wall of crusher or bulwarks appear

[mystic belfry]

This is what I would run for infiltrate, myself. If that helps

[frank ether]

its a solid tree I just wouldn't think of it as ''support'' in the traditional sense

[ruby hull]

this is your fault plush

you did this to me

[frank ether]

mm

[ruby hull]

i'm going all into making bayonet as busted as possible now

[vague forge]

If you play it it functions as a support build. Or the way I do. It's all about staggering and suppressing with shotgun, using infiltrate to do objectives or pick up downs or get to gunners. It's about moving where your team needs you and keeping the enemies from engaging you

[frank ether]

hdkgd, you rly dont have to

[ruby hull]

i can see it all fitting to gether

[acoustic wyvern]

i knew it you're using a shotty

[vague forge]

is it as supportive as other stuff? No of course not.

[frank ether]

but pair it with brutal momentum melee

[nocturne mulch]

That's nice, movespeed aura so they support faster!

[ruby hull]

y

explain

[frank ether]

it works on bayonet aswell

[ruby hull]

when the weapon isnt out

really

[dusk idol]

i would lose your reload node at your keystone and find somewhere else to put it, maybe field improv for some extra utility on your team

[ruby hull]

how.....interesting

[frank ether]

it makes bayonet gooderer

[mystic belfry]

If your main goal is keeping gun enemies off your allies, picking up smoke could help with that, and you have the nodes to switch to it without talent loss

[dusk idol]

you already have tactical reload and ammo regen node, so it's a tad redundant

[south garnet]

I support my team emotionally, from the next hab over, under my heated blanket

[dusk idol]

sorry, ammo from reserve*

[nocturne mulch]

I support my team from Hadron's bedroom

[vague forge]

this is what I have but open to suggestions. Again, this is just all based on my own experience and not a lot of... reseach. But this thing just stops people from doing anything and it rules.

[ruby hull]

well going down the right side tree i can ive gotten it up to one and two shotting every regular sized enemy except mauler, before adding weapon blessings or perks

[mystic belfry]

Getting the second reload talent from the top of the tree would help with loading your fire shells faster

[acoustic wyvern]

that shotty is a beauty, the blessings will have to change a bit

[dusk idol]

for what you're using it for i assume the kantrael is actually fine, since you're close range and that's where the kantrael operates best

[ruby hull]

if no respite and falter work on the bayonet the way i think it will, i might be able to make the bayonet into a horde clearing melee

[placid portal]

Speaking of which. Kantrarl incindiary + flechette witb weapon specialist for funny burn bleed combo?

[dusk idol]

also, @vague forge lose twinned blast as well

[south garnet]

Only reason to own one

[vague forge]

yes! I made both these swaps.

[dusk idol]

if you lose twinned blast and your last keystone reload node you can pick up confirmed kill

or anything else you might like

[vague forge]

I went for agile engagement

[dusk idol]

that's good

[vague forge]

since I swap a lot

but I'll keep messing with it.

[gilded cobalt]

the final blessing on it ended up being no respite

[dusk idol]

yeah, play around, see what works for you

[vague forge]

What would you swap?

[gilded cobalt]

I will get a tier 3 or 4 surgical to slap on there

and then thats gonna be good to roll

[mystic belfry]

Full bore is a pretty big one for shotgun

[dusk idol]

i love no respite and full bore on my shotguns

[hollow solstice]

Those blessings really shine on the agri

[placid portal]

No respite is nice

Fullbore do be a mandatory set on agripinaa

Slug is super easy to proc it

[dusk idol]

they shine on every shotgun tbh, except the kantrael does become a lot less effective at even medium range compared to the others

[acoustic wyvern]

this is for build tree, blessings i would go full bore and no respite

[dusk idol]

the spread compared to agri and lawbringer even while ads is huge

[hollow solstice]

well yes, but since the agri is a precise round its basically a sniper shot with those blessings

[dusk idol]

your budget sniper rifle at home lmao

[mystic belfry]

Something like this would probably be a bit more effective

[vague forge]

What does that Kantrael offer over the others? I've just been using it cuz I like it, but I truly don't know if its the best gun for my needs

[trim steppe]

I just played with a Recon vet who used 14 small ammo, 8 large ammo, and 2 crates, and did the least damage of anyone. The absolute state of it lol

[dusk idol]

the kantrael is the best at close range

[mystic belfry]

Depends on how often you're using your nades though

[dusk idol]

within 5-6 meters of targets

[placid portal]

Kantrael hits hard with base shot ngl

[acoustic wyvern]

big dmg up close, nice shot for headshots mid range

[mystic belfry]

Kantral does do fine at a distance with fire shells, if you're hitting a group

[placid portal]

Mid range is eh bc you lose dmg

[mystic belfry]

Kantreal altfire is a great way to soften incoming mixed hordes in particular

[gilded cobalt]

I just played a game of dammnation carnival with the helbore mark 2, grabbed no ammo the entire match, and only put my gun away to throw grenades.

We count our cartridges in my army

[flint lake]

I would build an alternative that didn't use survivalist in case you're ever in a group with another vet who's already got it.

[vague forge]

interesting, okay. I've mostly been using it at midrange to surpress and stagger

[hollow solstice]

Recon used to be my go to vet rifle, but then they absolutely ass fucked it into the ground

[midnight mortar]

Its TTK on mutants at optimal range is greater than 8 seconds if I remember correctly. Absolutely insane.

Ragers take at least 4-5 seconds per.

[dusk idol]

the lawbringer has many of the same breakpoints (or 1 bp higher) than the kantrael at close raange however

and decently surpasses it at all other ranges

[acoustic wyvern]

i like using the kantrael when enemies gets nearer then changing to melee then swapping again

[dusk idol]

but due to the ROF of the lawbringer the time to kill is actually pretty similar

[trim steppe]

That is very sad

[dusk idol]

however if you're using it at close to medium ranges and you're not picking up the extra ranged damage nodes on the left tree

stick to the kantrael

[trim steppe]

Its such a fun gun, that got about 3 days of finally being ok (not even amazing) before they decided to murder it

[vague forge]

yeah, I mostly use it as a softener. I get my 10 stacks with my shovel, then pop to the gun and fire off into the hoardes and then back to shovel

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, sadly recon basically just sits there as a downgrade from columnus

[dusk idol]

yeah, kantrael sounds like it'll serve you better

kantrael also has some soft target pen on primary shot

so still solid

[vague forge]

awesome!

This has all been very helpful

[flint lake]

This is my melee meme

[mystic belfry]

Good luck

[acoustic wyvern]

actually now i really wanna try the build i gave. hope it works

[vague forge]

I'll say, playing this style took me a little getting used to because it feels very differen't

but I really love it now

it's a lot of work but I always feel like I have tools

and I feel like I can handle almost anything the game throws at me unless I burn my resources irresponsibly

but if I play within my means it feels really good

just sucks to misposition without stealth or have a crusher hoard show up without nades etc

[dusk idol]

one of the limitations of relying on kraks, tbh

[vague forge]

yeah I agree.

[dusk idol]

unless you can get them stacked up on each other it'll blow a hole through one target and that's mostly it

[vague forge]

eh, stacking em isn't that hard I find? but it's map dependant

I feel like I can usually get 2

[bronze trout]

yeah I like grenades for getting some breathing room more then anything else

[acoustic wyvern]

you should try shreddder nades with bleed upgrades

[vague forge]

or at least kill 1 and knock two down

[placid portal]

Shredda nades my beloved

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, I've mostly stopped using kraks because I don't like relying on them for my armor/boss damage

[acoustic wyvern]

it'll destroy ragers in two throws

[mystic belfry]

as You're up shit creek when you

re dry

[dusk idol]

me throwing a krak out just for the plasma vet to kill all the armoured targets anyway 😔

[placid portal]

Lol

Thats why I use shredda over krak

[dusk idol]

same

[mystic belfry]

Right now my favorite setups is probably ps6+las pistol and shovel+plasma

[dusk idol]

just having a caxe means i don't need kraks and i love it

[bronze trout]

I switched to shredders and my 1a las for almost everything and my cara+unyielding antax for the heavies

[placid portal]

Antax really bops vs crushers

Esp with shred blessing

1 crit is 4 hit kill

[mystic belfry]

All the combat axes do tbh

[placid portal]

Combat axes are fun

[dusk idol]

i think if you have headtaker decimator it's also a 4 hit kill

[acoustic wyvern]

this is my beloved

[placid portal]

Rp as axe maniac kek

[dusk idol]

f to hordes though it kinda hurts

[placid portal]

A tad bearable with Brutal Momentum

[dusk idol]

yeah hordes are much better with bm

[bronze trout]

Yeah brutal mom is all you need and it deals with hordes fine

[mystic belfry]

On a side note. Just as a general thing. I really wish weapon charges functioned on something besides just pressing the special button and dealing with the animation. For both power and reving

Like, they're good abilities, it just feels ick when you can't cancel out of them or something

[radiant chasm]

rev'ing is meant to be risk vs reward single target

[mystic belfry]

mhmm

[placid portal]

The one poxwalker infront of elite

[radiant chasm]

you can make it a little easier with attack speed boosts, but vet doesn't get a lot of melee attack speed

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, I'm not saying it's really bad how it exists, it just feels really weird

[mellow lantern]

whats an alternative for the Columnus autogun, been having with it in damnation but I need more oomph

but almost same fire-rate

[placid portal]

Agripinaa IAG

more oomph

[mystic belfry]

Columnus is basically the best of that weapon type

[humble iron]

hey anyone have advice for the On Overwatch penance

[placid portal]

Or graia for accuracy

[hearty panther]

<.<

[mystic belfry]

Which one is that

[humble iron]

don't take melee damage

[placid portal]

Stay paranoid

[humble iron]

kinda been struggling with it

[mystic belfry]

There's no specific thing. Block constantly

[placid portal]

And pick your fights vs ragers

[mellow lantern]

I dont see alot of people using that one

how is it

[mystic belfry]

Play the lowest dif it lets you

[placid portal]

Fun stuff imo

[mystic belfry]

It's a dumb penance tbh

Not as bad as soloing 90% of a boss with brain burst though

[humble iron]

oh so blocking works ok thank you

[ruby hull]

waaaait a second

[placid portal]

I like it it gets jumpy but puts down enemies fast wirh the first 5 shots

[ruby hull]

does bayonet trigger covering fire

oh gods

[placid portal]

Dont think so.

[humble iron]

honestly I think all the "requires private game" ones are stupid

[ruby hull]

i must test this

hmmmm

but how

[placid portal]

It has to be ranged kill no?

[austere mica]

I got on overwatch accidentally

[placid portal]

Same

[mystic belfry]

yes.

[placid portal]

[ruby hull]

im going off fatshark logic here

[mystic belfry]

Because people called them on the penances needing you to grief your team

[austere mica]

it was on a sub 30 vet too

[mystic belfry]

So they locked them to private matches lmfao

[radiant chasm]

a 10% node

[mystic belfry]

Actually pants on head

[placid portal]

On damnation run for me

Didnt know it until I got it

[austere mica]

malice

I saw the achivement pop up and actually had to stop for a second

[placid portal]

Me on damnation on overwatch clear

[chilly cobalt]

I got overwatch when it was no damage taken at all

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

[chilly cobalt]

I still remember that butt hurt when some random poxwalker spawned from below the floor and slapped me

[placid portal]

Lmao rip

[chilly cobalt]

Ruining my perfect run :(((

[ruby hull]

i did it by accident with stealth vet at level 15 on a damnation mission, i wasnt even trying to go for it

[placid portal]

Nice

You are the John darktide

[zealous wyvern]

John

[placid portal]

Now warhammer and cyberpunk genre mash would be funny

[austere mica]

necromunda

[chilly cobalt]

Warhammer is cyberpunk to a certain degree

[zealous wyvern]

necr

[placid portal]

Fair enough

That is very close

[zealous wyvern]

but without ai

and pcs

which is a big deal

[chilly cobalt]

Dataslates

[zealous wyvern]

c77 has a lot of technology 40k forbids

[junior needle]

cogitators are PC's aren't they?

[chilly cobalt]

They're computers in general

[ruby hull]

aight so, right side tree bayonet with a brutal momentum is a viable horde clear weapon

on damnation

[zealous wyvern]

they are computers 50 times the size

[ruby hull]

mk2 to be specific

[zealous wyvern]

its like saying a 60s office space is the same as a lounge with 3 tablets

[chilly cobalt]

And afaik there's no personal ones in the Warhammer 40.000(tm)
Because there's chances your cogitator could start another Age of Strive
Because AI and shit

[zealous wyvern]

still computers but you get my point

not very c77

[chilly cobalt]

They differ from large ones like administration uses to small ones like in tech priests brain

[zealous wyvern]

oh?

nevermind that does sound more fitting

but it is probably rather restricted to techpriests

c77 any kid can walk outside and buy a brain chip

holo clothing, ai billboards etc

[chilly cobalt]

Chances are they're going to fry their brains tho

[zealous wyvern]

yeah if he buys cheap

[inner canopy]

what should i swap out with the last edit i have

[zealous wyvern]

that looks like a bad roll

[arctic hull]

Plasma gun is still unrivaled in auric maelstrom

[zealous wyvern]

stats good

but all traits bad except hh

[chilly cobalt]

Oh no,it's the digits man

[inner canopy]

i swapped HH, I was thinking swapping OS for uhhh

Crit damage on headshot,

[zealous wyvern]

i would roll opening salvo to surgical probably idk

[inner canopy]

weakspot crit damage +100% because

well

[junior needle]

infantry las doesn't have surgical

[inner canopy]

crit sniper

[zealous wyvern]

What

I am surprised

ok

[inner canopy]

yeah you'd think

but no, infantry lasgun doesn't get surgical

[junior needle]

Only helbores out of the lasguns

They have headhunter instead

[inner canopy]

it'd be neat to have HH and surgical together but alas

[junior needle]

A lot of redundancy with that setup

[zealous wyvern]

both is redundant

but surgical beats headhunter on dmr guns

imo

[inner canopy]

i was thinking i'd swap the +stamina for +flak

[zealous wyvern]

i think i would go deadshot and keep stam

[inner canopy]

or the OS for deadly accurate

[zealous wyvern]

then swap yielding to flak

idk overall bad roll

probably would not invest much myself and just placehold it

[inner canopy]

good baseline stats, but i realy wish the +unielding was eitehr +flak or +unarmored

but the baseline stats fucking carry it too

like i can 1shot shooter trash

[junior needle]

You can get stamina from curios, but you can't get breakpoints from them

Just keep that in mind

[zealous wyvern]

true point

[inner canopy]

i was thinking yeah, swap stamina to +flak or or something

[zealous wyvern]

you got 4 meh things on this

rip

[inner canopy]

because it's not like doing more damage to ogryn reapers is bad

[zealous wyvern]

yeah that is true

[mystic belfry]

It's not bad, but it's also not very useful

I can't really think of a time when reapers ended a run for me

Maybe it's happened, but if so none come to mind

[inner canopy]

i wish it was unarmored so oi could more easily meme on dreg gunners

[bronze trout]

Reapers die to easily to ever be a threat to a vet

Pretty sure like 90% of my downs come from ragers

[inner canopy]

At least it's hypothetically useful on this instead of something like +carapace

🤔 I wonder if +elites or +specialists would work

[marsh condor]

Wait.

Speaking of, Elites apply to Ogryns too, right?

[shut vector]

i believe so yes

[inner canopy]

yeah

[shut vector]

at the very least reapers appy as elites (i think bulwark might be a special?)

[inner canopy]

if I went to +elites

[marsh condor]

Huh.

[inner canopy]

I think I could 1shot Dreg Gunners with no crit

You know what

I'll swap +stamina for +elite damage

And if that doesn't work I'll swap +elite to +flak

[marsh condor]

Would Stagger Blessings benefit the Catachan Devil Swords?

It's mostly because of the parry that I thought about it.

[delicate moat]

please, don't be carnival every single quickplay match

it gets old real fast with how long the map feels

[ruby hull]

aight so....... i want you to guess what melee weapon i used this match

[inner canopy]

me getting carnival again and again and again and again and[...]

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, they waited carnival crazy fucking high

It's new map, we fucking get it

[marsh condor]

A chain weapon? A knife? A potato sword?

[inner canopy]

they did the same thing with sychorax

[mystic belfry]

Bayonet

[ruby hull]

i just used the mk2 helbore bayonet the whole game

[marsh condor]

Oh yeah

[ruby hull]

i never used my axe

a single time

[shut vector]

wasn't there meant to be 3 variants of carnival cause i only get the one

[marsh condor]

So knife, but better

[acoustic wyvern]

@vague forge the build works and its alot of fun

[marsh condor]

We only have 1 Carnival

That's part 1

[shut vector]

ah

[ruby hull]

it just deletes hordes

[inner canopy]

we'll get part 2 later

[ruby hull]

its silly

[shut vector]

can i see this funny bayonet build

[marsh condor]

Speaking of, about the new cosmetics

[shut vector]

( i do not even own an mk 2)

[marsh condor]

Is there a specific?

[inner canopy]

swapped +stamina for +elites, now 1shot dreg gunners

[mystic belfry]

Still hate that 15% of vets attack speed is in the capstone

[marsh condor]

Mk1 still works, since it's stabby too.

[inner canopy]

2shot scab gunners (with no crits)

[mystic belfry]

For reference: An 80% damage mk 1 helbore bayonet

[ruby hull]

i have no perks or blessings on the mk2 yet, with this build, and a blue axe with brutal momentum 4

[shut vector]

i will give this a go and report back

[mystic belfry]

Wouldn't it pair better with an anti-horde melee?

[ruby hull]

it doesnt need an antihorde mlee

it does anti horde melee

it kills like 7 things in a straight line every attack

it one shots all trash mobs with body shots

and ignores hitmass because of brutal momentum on the melee weapon

it also perma stuns maulers

and kills them in about 5 shots

[mystic belfry]

ngl, I didn't realize the bayonet thrust was this fast

[junior grail]

May be late but I counted, Vet tree literally has 3 unnecessary tax nodes it can remove to be the same min points to reach Keystone like other classes

[junior grail]

I just realised yesterday that you ran faster while holding the bayonet

[mystic belfry]

I knew that on actually

[ruby hull]

im am just coming to vet for the first time after spending 800 hours breaking apart psyker

so many things to break with this skill tree

heheheehhaahahahaahaaha

[mystic belfry]

:v

[junior grail]

It looks so much more neat without them too

[ruby hull]

only using the bayonet as melee is gonna be tough for a bit

my brain cant quite multi task it just yet and still shoot

which is why i only killed like 50 enemies with ranged

[mystic belfry]

Maybe just claw sword for defense with it, then?

[ruby hull]

well i need the brutal momentum for that extra headshot damage and cleave

hmmmm

[mystic belfry]

Ah, you're using it to amp the bayonet?

[ruby hull]

yea

im pretty much ignoring my melee weapon

[mystic belfry]

Power sword 6 for reduced block cost? :v

And carapace

[ruby hull]

tru

[marsh condor]

But seriously

Are Stagger Blessings good enough for Catachan Swords (Parry)?

[ruby hull]

i really want to get falter and no respite and see what they do with bayonet

[mystic belfry]

I just run rampage and savage sweep

[ruby hull]

but i have litterally 0 blessings for helbore since i just came to vet

#pain

[mystic belfry]

What helbore are you using?

[marsh condor]

I have 3 Catachan Swords

[ruby hull]

mk2

for stab

otherwise i would use 3

[marsh condor]

The sweepy one is where Rampage and Savage Sweep went, leaving me with a choppy one and a Bowie one.

[mystic belfry]

3 have a shit stab or just slightly worse?

[ruby hull]

its a slash

vertical slash

[marsh condor]

And it's janky

[mystic belfry]

Ah

[marsh condor]

Diagonal

[ruby hull]

its not gonna get headshots on like 4 things at once

its also slower

[marsh condor]

Anyway, it's janky, it deals more damage to unarmored, and poorer against anything above Flak.

And I don't think it staggers Ragers as much.

[placid portal]

Barely

[junior grail]

Imagine Helbore with Can Opener

[placid portal]

And they'll recover before next hit as well

[gilded cobalt]

sire melk is selling this. Is this any good?

[junior grail]

Does Falter affect bayonet stabs?

[placid portal]

You could salvage for surgical 4

[marsh condor]

We should get more bayonet weapons.

For Zealot, this time (optionally shared with Veteran and Psyker)

[lime field]

Does Deadshot affect ADS or the secondary ability?

[marsh condor]

ADS

[lime field]

Ty.

[mystic belfry]

Bayonet shotgun that automaticaly fires a shell when you land a stab on something that stops it's cleave

[marsh condor]

A boomstick.

Wait-

Double barrel boomstick?

[keen sedge]

or just add this fucking melee to the game

ok should i buy this for deadly accurate?

[mystic belfry]

Killing floor 2 time

[keen sedge]

i forgot the melee was from killing floor

still CAN WE GET A SHOTGUN HAMMER FOR VETERAN LIKE ZEALOT GETS A ELECTRIC HAMMER

OGRYN GETS A ELECTRIC CLUB

COME ON

[keen sedge]

also uh, should i still buy this

[mystic belfry]

We have a power sword

[keen sedge]

idk if i could transfer it to a columnus

[keen sedge]

ok but like, not as cool as a hammer that shoots shotgun rounds

[mystic belfry]

Do you have any idea what I could do with a power sword on zealot

[keen sedge]

yes, but its still not as cool

[mint raft]

Which one to upgrade?
I don't know if damage will matter that much but I'm tired of rolling and rolling with the shop

[mystic belfry]

Mk 2 hammer is one of my favorite weapons

[mystic belfry]

Uh, ouch. I guess #2, but I really dunno.

[feral jetty]

hey vets

how we doin gamers

good I hope?

[mystic belfry]

Sure

[mint raft]

I want to murder the shop

[feral jetty]

what happen with shop

[keen sedge]

is the vrakos headhunter in the same family as the columnus?

[mint raft]

it used to give me between 340-380 and now if I get anything above 330 it's a lucky roll

[shut vector]

alright bayoney build goes crazy hard

take on a squad of ragers by poking them in the eye till they all fall over

[junior grail]

Buy it to extract but its a HH autogun not Infantry Autogun, so you can't transfer to Columnus IAG

[karmic musk]

I swear damage shouldn't be one of those random stats on weapons

But the war was lost long ago

[keen sedge]

[shut vector]

reroll ghost to surgical and weak spot to maniac/unarmoured and you have an decent-tier headhunter

[marsh condor]

I want to bleed

[mystic belfry]

Melee build with bleed knfie will do the trick

[keen sedge]

i already traded it for the weakspot blessing, i dont like burst guns in this game

[shut vector]

why are you bothering to get blessings on guns you dont like?

it's not transferrable between weapon types

[patent slate]

is punishing salvo any good at all

[feral jetty]

I learned this the hard way

[keen sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/mirror-cat-hoecat-gif-24428321

[shut vector]

homie got trolled

[velvet glen]

What's the build people are running with columns iag?

[zealous wyvern]

dont buy from melk unless it has a IV blessing

[mint raft]

fucking finally brunt

[zealous wyvern]

57 mob ouch

better wait for a better one

[marsh condor]

Tried drawing the lasgun

[fathom edge]

hmmm

ok start

[opal loom]

What's the best blessings/perks for plasma gun? .-.

[opal loom]

Thanks

So Flak & Maniac on bascally every weapon?