veteran-class

[mystic belfry]

But either is nic

[bitter turtle]

are you really using it off cooldown constantly?

[mystic belfry]

Why wouldn't you?

[keen sedge]

I use them on any ogryns enemy or maulers

[mystic belfry]

Unless there's no gunners, shooters, or snipers spawned

[keen sedge]

Ok back 2 work

1 hour left

[bitter turtle]

well think of it this way

[mystic belfry]

if you're going to play infilitrate, you should be cleaning up any specials and elites that will do doing chip damage to your group, so you should be spamming your infiltrate and moving through the backline as much as possible

[bitter turtle]

wtih a 45 second cooldown, in the span of a 1 min window you get 2 uses

with the extra charge you get 3 uses

[jade night]

Debating how to refine this one

[bitter turtle]

assuming you didnt need it while moving through an area that's relatively uncontested

which happens often, even in auric

mael

that's just imo though

its not like enemy spawns are constant and continuous

they're more like spikes of activity

[forest blaze]

It’s good. It just depends on your weapon and playstyle. I’m considering switching from focus target to weapon spec. I use plasma, PS6, infiltrate, frag

[bitter turtle]

the breakpoint where no charges beat charges is 3min btw

[mystic belfry]

The times you need infilitrate most are when the spawns are constant for several minutes straight

[bitter turtle]

or rather, they're equal at that point

at 3 minutes

at 3 min they both see 4 uses

[mystic belfry]

Stacking it up helps less than having it up faster

Also, it costs a talent point

If you get equal use it wasn't worth it

[bitter turtle]

only at 3 min though

[trim steppe]

Playing with a vet in patch 15

[bitter turtle]

are they equal

if the engagement is shorter, the extra charge wins

[mystic belfry]

I don't think so

[forest blaze]

Infiltrate has helped me clutch more games than anything else.

[bitter turtle]

its not a think thing

mathematically that's how it works out

[mystic belfry]

If the engagement shorter you didn't need two ults

[bitter turtle]

not counting the -6 sec thing on specialist kill ofc

[mystic belfry]

lower cooldown helps more when you need it more, imo

[fast scaffold]

I didn't run two charges last patch, but I can see the merit of using one liberally and one as an oh shit button

[mystic belfry]

i.e. when you hav those long bursts an near constant spawns

But it's not a deal breaker (running infiltrat is on it's own :^), run what you want

[bitter turtle]

i think most encounters don't actually last 3+ minutes unless its the final holdout tbh

before you get a break i mean

[mystic belfry]

When you need it most, that's what I said

[forest blaze]

You can run one or two charges. I like double charge with damage boost so I can always have one in the pocket to clutch bad players and one in the pocket for damage.

I’ve dropped the second charge talent for other things and it plays fine, I just have to be much more conscious of how my idiot teammates are playing.

Two charge infiltrate is wasted with good teammates

[still flare]

This. Running one charge in solo basically makes you revive vet, or nobody does objective vet

That's where I get most value from it

I'm not great with stealth, but depending on how they've been playing I find myself being very conservative with it

[forest blaze]

I found that I like two charges for QP AM/AD. My success rate for missions is MUCH higher that way.

[fast scaffold]

Or run 2 charges to try to outpace the mobility zealot (and fail)

[forest blaze]

Kek

Having a charge on demand for the +30% damage boost is REALLY good imo.

[mystic belfry]

Eh

[tall warren]

Is bleed worth it for veteran? New to the class

[jade night]

fwiw, this is what I've been running and it is excellent

[static lily]

lol another one of my vet friends just stopped playing the class

[mystic belfry]

Like I said, if you like it run it, I just don't find it worth the cooldown and talent point

[nimble sentinel]

I'm still getting matched with dummies who don't understand the bad people with fire need to die first and I feel for Hadron in her mission briefings

[mystic belfry]

+9 stamina on shovel plasma? What are you doing with that much stamina

Do you just push non-stop

[fast scaffold]

It was sooo good last patch, because if you could afford the additional points to get to the fake keystones it was 60% damage

[jade night]

It started as a meme, now I can't live w/o it

[static lily]

man matchmaking still is bad, I do not know why lvl 25 people can play damnation maelstroms

[mystic belfry]

Release the crutch

I don't use that much stam on stamina-heavy builds

[static lily]

not abusing deadeye and autoguns

SAD

[mystic belfry]

The only time I could maybe see x3 stam is Deadshot, and plasma can't even use that

[static lily]

though tbf it feels like shit now

[fast scaffold]

If you queue with a level 30 it uses the highest level/they're the ones that press the queue button

[mystic belfry]

Deadshot, exectutionar, marksman is actually crazy

Just finnicky

[still flare]

Deadshot + all or nothing shovel 🫱

[static lily]

deadshot feels bad now just because it feels worse trying to get all of the perks I used to to have fun with autoguns on deadshot

[fast scaffold]

I am looking forward to playing this patch when I get home, vet has been too easy for too long

[mystic belfry]

It's not bad at all

It's quite good

[static lily]

yeah deadshot hasn't changed

just most perks aren't contusive to braced autoguns

[mystic belfry]

But it's specifically good in combo with executionars stance with marksman on columnus

Infantry

[static lily]

braced are cooler

but just suck ass

lol

[mystic belfry]

Hard disagree, in no context is ADS not better

[static lily]

yeah obviously normal autoguns are better

[mystic belfry]

It also just feels better

[static lily]

but braced autos are

COOLER

[mystic belfry]

Nah

Not at all, even a little

[static lily]

I like bullet hoses

and the graia mk4 is the best bullet hose in the game

[mystic belfry]

Which columnus infantry is

[jade night]

Fiiiiiine, I changed them

[mystic belfry]

That's not an ogryn LMG

[static lily]

I don't play ogryn

only class I do not play

[mystic belfry]

You said

In the game

[forest blaze]

I use plas and ps6 and I’m thinking of switching from focus target to specialist. Specialist helps a lot more in games with tons of hordes and bad players while focus target helps a ton against monstrosities.

[mystic belfry]

Don't to love auto correct changing hordes into horses

[forest blaze]

Lmfao

Shhhhhh

[mystic belfry]

:^)

[forest blaze]

BAD HORSSS

[mystic belfry]

It's all fun and games until the maulers and ragers turn into fucking calvary units

[forest blaze]

Dude for real tho

https://tenor.com/view/half-horse-run-gallop-gif-10468167

I found that I prefer having my build centered around bad matchups than anything else. I almost exclusively do QP AM and AD and it’s a real mixed bag of players.

[mystic belfry]

I just make a build for a concept i wanna play that I can make work with what talents we hav

[whole basin]

Very much so to help deal with monstrosities, and a knife with bleed can also deal decently with hordes (though not hold a chokepoint--you need to kite). Knives and chainswords with the bleed-on-special blessing chew through bosses.

[mystic belfry]

ATM, it's mainly support or bloody maniac with a knife

Bit of an weird duality of options, I know

[still flare]

Keystone-less revolver build, probably my overall favorite

[forest blaze]

Vet tree is 1-3 points too expensive to comfortably build. A setup like this should be within reach to have a keystone.

Looks good tho

[still flare]

I tried so hard to make keystones work for me, but I kept going back to this

[jaunty sphinx]

sorry to ask since I cant find anything in the pins, but should I put infested or unarmored (already rolled flak) on a chainsword? I dont really need it for maniacs since I run plasma and can headshot them p consistently

[mystic belfry]

He could take marksman here by dropping the top two perks on the lefthand sid

[still flare]

I like the reload :3

[frank ether]

probably the intention of the update anyways

[forest blaze]

I like unarmored/maniac or unarmored/flak

[jaunty sphinx]

ty!

[static lily]

yeah basically

they hate john darktide

[forest blaze]

Being able to special heavy one shot mutants is really nice

[frank ether]

I think vet is the most played class

[forest blaze]

As it should be

[still flare]

Nah they released stats showing it was psyker I believe

[frank ether]

and they kinda balance around popularity

[mystic belfry]

... They don't

[static lily]

when

[mystic belfry]

As a vermintide player, they really really don't

[forest blaze]

Vet tree is fine imo, it just needs a pathing fix to open up 1-2 points and it should be perfect

[static lily]

the last time they did it it was vet

[forest blaze]

And they need to fix their bugs 😂

[frank ether]

this isn't vermintide

[mystic belfry]

And they don't here either

[ebon umbra]

this isn't vermintide

[still flare]

As of patch 13 anyway

May not hold true across the board

[jaunty sphinx]

I just wish it was at 80% damage, even if it hits most breakpoints it BOTHERS ME 😭

[mystic belfry]

You'd need 80% pen then too :v

[forest blaze]

2:18 fastest wipe. Pretty sure that was my AM lights out run last week.

[jaunty sphinx]

aaaauuAAAAUGHGHGHGHG

[forest blaze]

You’re citing a literal meme…

[frank ether]

no

john darktide is canon

[jaunty sphinx]

I HATE STAT ROLLS I HATE STAT ROLLS

[frank ether]

you can't prove me otherwise

he's our idol

[shell widget]

I'm still mad at myself for taking The professional, dude's a twat with no reason to justify it

[jaunty sphinx]

so a guardsman.

[forest blaze]

Loose cannon best vet and I’m sorry for your loss

[umbral scaffold]

which ones better

[shell widget]

I realised this far too late into my vet grind. Just hit 30 yesterday and don't think I have the heart to make another one.

[mystic belfry]

Still stupid they don't let you change voices

[frank ether]

2 points would do a lot for me rn

[umbral scaffold]

vet tree needs a quarter of its nodes removed

[jaunty sphinx]

Loose Cannon my beloved

[frank ether]

helbore 3 no longer one shotting crushers on demand

[forest blaze]

I’d choose the right for the gets hot, glory Hunter, and base maniac.

Their base stats are comparable but seeing the low ammo stat on the right is questionable. The left will need you to swap sprint definitely and either carapace or a blessing.

Ideally you’ll want base maniac/unyielding/flak

[flint garden]

when theres 7-8 nodes to reach the keystones with 0 pathing

[umbral scaffold]

vets tree is just so one dimensional

[frank ether]

a lot of it is very very specific

[umbral scaffold]

theres barely any interlocking between the three types

[frank ether]

especially left tree

[forest blaze]

100%. I find myself 1-2 points short of having a solid build

[dusk jacinth]

what vet helmet is this

[umbral scaffold]

you either choose left, choose middle or choose right

idk what they were thinking

[frank ether]

I wouldn't say it would net me solid builds but add some bug fixes and it would make me play sharpshooter helbore 3 again

[umbral scaffold]

i dont think they were thinking when making it actually

[frank ether]

I will admit its partially a weapon issue though

[forest blaze]

Idk… the top half of my tree always looks the same. Frag. Scavenger. Infiltrate.

Frags OP

[umbral scaffold]

im talking about half the tree

aka the bottom half

[frank ether]

helbore 2 works a lot easier with the keystone than 3

[umbral scaffold]

vets tree has a total of 4 nodes that allow you to change between branches

[frank ether]

One thing that bugs me is melee kills doesnt work with it

like I'll do a bayonet headshot kill

it won't proc the keystone

[umbral scaffold]

these are all the nodes that allow you to change branches

dumb fucking shit

[frank ether]

just all around disappointment

[hearty panther]

cause its a melee kill

keystone = ranged headshots
volley fire = refresh when marked target dies

[flint garden]

the survivalist tax

[hearty panther]

not exclusive concepts in this case

[static lily]

could easily just have them all be a pick 1 option like the toughness perk before at the beginning

[forest blaze]

Survivalist tax is what kills me.

[midnight mortar]

Penance helmet you get from For the Emperor (2).

[hearty panther]

just dont run survivalist

join us in the chad close and kill world

[forest blaze]

Too many ammo eaters in QP to skip survivalist with plas

[hearty panther]

thats their problem

[dusk jacinth]

yuck penance hats

[umbral scaffold]

psykers tree is the ideal talent tree

[dusk jacinth]

thank u though

[umbral scaffold]

ogryns is second best

zealots is third

vets is abyssmal

[devout atlas]

yall told me demolition team was a meme, i had it trigger 3 times in a minute at one point

[nova bane]

Anyone think +25% Carapace is worth it on a combat knife versus Flak? Trying to build a melee weapon to compliment my Kantrael XII

[hearty panther]

nah flak always

[static lily]

they buffed the meme rune

dw

[frank ether]

melee kill refreshes volley fire.

[hearty panther]

uncanny strike for carapace

[hearty panther]

yes i said that

[devout atlas]

twin frags is still a meme though i only had it trigger 4 times last mission and it was useful once

[hearty panther]

there's not enough carapace in the game to really ever warrant +carapace on anything unless you have absolutely no other breakpoints to be reached

[forest blaze]

Vet just needs a base stat boost and a consolidation of the tree pathing to open up 1-2 talent points and it’ll be golden. Ideally, 2-3 talent points opened so we can use our keystones to their fullest

[nova bane]

Flak it is. I just worry about being useless against Crushers

[static lily]

it still is 2x as good now

which means it is like not even useful

but still

[nova bane]

Thanks guys, sorry to interrupt

[frank ether]

if a gunner is in my face and I bayonet it, it will refresh volley, but executioner will lose stacks

[static lily]

it is 20% instead of 10%

[hearty panther]

yea just get uncanny strike on your knife and youre basically golden

[nova bane]

Roger that.

[umbral scaffold]

vets tree needs to lock you down a tree less

[nova bane]

My other perk is against Elites. I reckon that's useful enough

[umbral scaffold]

like, just completely redesign the bottom half

[frank ether]

%10 elite is good depending on gun it can net you breakpoints

I run it with maniac on helbore 1

[devout atlas]

yea i played an auric damn with a meme grenadier build thinking "oh i will throw like 5% more grenades than usual" and now it's making me realize demolition expert might be a genuinely good talent because wtf it triggered so much on auric lmao

[frank ether]

the keystone made me drop helbore 3

its either 1 or 2 now

[sullen scarab]

Rolled this beauty. Better to keep Unarmored/Flak on it and swap out Rampage for T4, or swap unarmored for maniac? I use plasmagun half the time on maniacs so not sure if it's worth slapping maniac on it.

[umbral scaffold]

get maniac

[jaunty sphinx]

I am going to pray to the fucking omnissiah. As soon as im done grinding for more Plasteel because im fresh out.

[forest blaze]

Imo it’s just these tie points that need fixed. Correcting these areas can open up 1-3 points

[nova bane]

I've only gone for the keystones in one build, laspistol/chainsword. All my other Vets barely make it past 6s cooldown reduction

[frank ether]

It wouldn't have to come to this if they didn't nerf the %50 weakspot damage (which also applied to your melee)

I get the reasoning, but it still angers me

[umbral scaffold]

vets tree is just so ugly

it makes me not wanna play vet

[forest blaze]

Pathing node before AND after grenades is toxic

[umbral scaffold]

they literally put NO effort in making his tree

guaranteed

[devout atlas]

does Precision Strikes even work because I tried it earlier for my revy and it made no damage difference

[forest blaze]

Remove that one, and we are betters

[umbral scaffold]

not ONE developer cared when making vets tree

id pay money to be proven wrong

[frank ether]

oh yes let that be bugged too

what isn't fucking bugged in left tree at this point

[willow badger]

advice pls

[devout atlas]

Vet is missing insane amounts of damage rn cause of bugs lol

[frank ether]

I'll go test precision now I guess

[devout atlas]

Long Shot and Precision Strikes straight up don't work

It didn't work for me but eh idk

[willow badger]

bruh for real?

[devout atlas]

maybe revolver is weird

[tall torrent]

2nd

[frank ether]

I have to make a recording of it so I can catalogue

[forest blaze]

Remove that top node entirely and repath the ones after

[devout atlas]

yeah go check

ik for a fact PStrikes doesn't work for melee anymore

[frank ether]

I already have shredder frag and ET bugs on record

[tall torrent]

Poxer -> carapace/maniac

[willow badger]

thanks

[frank ether]

if its as you said we have 4 talents that straight up dont work on left tree

or well, 3 talents and a grenade

[devout atlas]

ngl I have found builds that I enjoy for Vet but the tree is a disaster and there are too many bugs

compress tree, fix bugs, tweak balance of shit talents

bobs your uncle good class

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure it still does

[frank ether]

there is also an elusive bug that disables infiltrate btw

[devout atlas]

that's good

[frank ether]

I'm trying to figure out what the culprit is but havent managed to

I think it may have to do with other class ability interactions

cause it happened twice in real games but not in meat grinder

[devout atlas]

I kinda removed it from all of my builds since it didn't seem to work on one of my builds

</3

[tall torrent]

It’s not as high dmg as u think it is

Depends on ur weapons I’d say

[devout atlas]

so the 30% isn't actually 30%

awesome thanks fartshart

[tall torrent]

It’s 30% of the base weakpoint%

[devout atlas]

weird

[tall torrent]

So if a weapon does 50 more dmg on weakpoint compared to bodyshot and u do +30% weakpoint

[frank ether]

yes weakspot and crit damage multipliers are a scam

[devout atlas]

Ah so in most cases you can assume 15% extra damage

meh

[tall torrent]

It’s +30% of 50 dmg which is 15 extra dmg

[frank ether]

also why the keystone isnt as good as people think

[devout atlas]

yea I guess it kinda fucks on laspistol but I can see how it isn't amazing on many other guns

[tall torrent]

If they made weakpoint dmg calculation like how it is in DRG, would be much nicer

[frank ether]

laspistol kinda fucks in general

[devout atlas]

DRG damage just makes Sense

[frank ether]

its also a very spammy gun

with insanely fast movement speed

swap speed

you will never not have in on your hand when you want it

[devout atlas]

left tree laspis goes hard since you can just . one shot gunners

[delicate moat]

oh wait this 30% wp bonus is a fking scam too

[devout atlas]

yum

[frank ether]

if the way marksman stacks expired worked on distance traveled rather than at a fixed rate it would solve a lot of problems for me

helbores are fucking slow

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s very dependent on the weapon ur using

[delicate moat]

the desc made me think that it was just 30% extra dmg

[slow spade]

yeah I only the weakpoint thing on guns like revolver and laspitol

plasma too mostly because fuck crusher

[frank ether]

precision strikes is a lot better than the keystone

[delicate moat]

i'm always like "i should not skip this node"

[frank ether]

because its up there, it works all the time and it works for all of your weapons

[austere mica]

except for enemy damage typing

[frank ether]

precision is good for vraks guns, good for melee of any kind

good on hb

laspistol

I'd probably swap to deadshot for iag or braced though if I had to flex points

[delicate moat]

left tree should just be made to work with melee too

[pale loom]

Hi guys I am having a little trouble aiming on console, does anyone have tips? recommended setting and other tricks that can help in the struggle

[trim steppe]

LOL peak game design

[gritty mirage]

this game relies on you turning on a dime, so maybe increase sensitivity or so

things like to bite your butt in this game

trappers, stealth crushers, ragers, tox flamers, doggos

[gray finch]

i did the no damage run

[gritty mirage]

congrats

[lyric drum]

Is Aura and Coherency the same thing ? like let's say I pick up the Charismatic node, does it also increase my coherency radius

[gritty mirage]

i dont have the patience to do the no dmg run lol, i tried and i got barreled by a teammate, pubs is suffering

[trim steppe]

yes

[forest blaze]

I wish that they had the L4D2 mechanic where if you hold space you don’t grab the ledge… it also means you could outright jump to your death like an idiot

[lyric drum]

cool ty

[gleaming turtle]

How did you have the ammo?

[fallen geyser]

What i don't get is why no one in Grendal's retinue can do even 1 pull up

[gray finch]

i replenish 219% of my ammo + big ammo 50%

[frank ether]

maniac/carapace helbore 3:
10 stacks of marksman

tox flamer:
(tap fire)

precision strike:679
deadshot non crit:625

crusher:
deadshot fully charged (non crit): 1316
precision strikes fully charged: 1383

thats the difference ''%30'' makes

[forest blaze]

Kek

I didn’t find weak spot talent to do much to my plasma for breakpoints.

[frank ether]

weakpoints being a scam on helbore 3 of all things

[forest blaze]

And deadshot doesnt work on plas either

[frank ether]

crits arent like this though

your damage will jump A LOT if you crit

[astral blade]

57 times comp urge proc

during 1 mission

[forest blaze]

Bananas. Is comp urge good?

I don’t like damage bonuses tied to randomness

[gleaming turtle]

This was Auric, right?

[plucky cosmos]

can i make this work?

[frank ether]

kind of a difficult one to work around even for the weapons it works with

[frank ether]

I would run at least two +3 stams for helbores for example

they have terrible base stamina

[gray finch]

hi intense auric lvl

[bright cliff]

comp urge procs off every enemy so at some point 2.5% stops being luck and starts being a statistic

[gleaming turtle]

Why did everyone else do so little damage and get so few kills?

[fallen geyser]

you can get +3 stams?

[astral blade]

i mean others would say its shit but the amount of enemies you have to kill is well a hell of allot

[frank ether]

they're a bit rarer but you can

[astral blade]

so its gonna proc often

[fallen geyser]

lol never seen one O.o

[mystic belfry]

Reacting to your own meme

[trim steppe]

Because pubs are a complete crapshoot

[bright cliff]

2.5% means about one in every 40 enemies so

[frank ether]

I have like 3

[autumn perch]

Yes

Now you do it

[mystic belfry]

no

[frank ether]

I could actually

hmm

what if I dump the keystone entirely

go for the middle +25 toughness

go deadshot

and take +3 stam curios

[bright cliff]

maybe dont take it on shock gauntlet but

[frank ether]

thats gotta be better damage than the silly keystone

[mystic belfry]

Nah fam don't go for that without the cap

[forest blaze]

Luckily there’s a shit ton of enemies in AM

[mystic belfry]

The middle keystone isn't for damage, that's a nice bonus

it's for this node

[forest blaze]

Middle keystone burns monstrosities big time too.

[mystic belfry]

5-25% toughness for every tagged kill, you don't need to be the one to do it

[forest blaze]

+32% damage while marked with 8 stacks? Bananas.

[mystic belfry]

It's a constant flow of tank

[mystic belfry]

Meh, 8 stacks isn't worth a talent, the redirect fire isn't either

[gleaming turtle]

I still think most people will drop it for ET since ET is better overall and just requires you to get the kill.

[trim steppe]

Does that fuel deadshot successfully too?

[frank ether]

this and +6 stamina

Idgaf about marksman honestly its shit on helbore

[mystic belfry]

Not wortyh 15% elite damage to drop the capstone + modifier

[devout atlas]

mother of god its worse than a 5% ranged damage node LMFAO

[forest blaze]

Marksman is too gimmicky for me.

[hardy comet]

isnt veteran suffering from lack of skill points

[mystic belfry]

Take middle cap and target down

[hardy comet]

because the skill tree takes more points to reach capstone than others

[whole moon]

Shit skill tree seems to be the way its coming across

[forest blaze]

Sort of. It cuts things close by 1-2 points, so you have to be very intentional with your build

[frank ether]

elite damage helps a lot on hb1 plus I get like %15 toughness DR on the path

[mystic belfry]

You should be able to hit 10% damage against important elites easily with the mark capstone

[gray finch]

if you playing lasgun and have the headhunter you dont need extra ammo

[forest blaze]

Vet tree you need to take a lot more attention to the details of your playstyle than say… Psyker where you can just say “click the stuff and go brrrr”

[hardy comet]

yeah, step one i think would just be remove the nodes above grenades and make them link directly to each grenade

[mystic belfry]

Target down also gives stam to help with deadshot

[forest blaze]

Fuckin AGREED

[hardy comet]

then maybe something like merg or remove a node or two in betwen the abilities and cap stones

[forest blaze]

Yas

[gleaming turtle]

Can I ask how you were able to get this to work? I can never make Executioner's work for me due to all the hordes, no time to stop and plink because three or four sluggers are suddenly in your face/behind you. Can I also assume you aren't running the keystone? And how are you dealing with stuff that the MGIa is just bad at hurting?

[forest blaze]

Freeing up 1-3 talent points with just a cleanup patch will be a huge QOL buff for vets.

[mystic belfry]

Just try this

it's good I promise

[astral blade]

i can see why others think comp urge is shit but that temp power boost is noticeable

[gray finch]

just play knife with trench fighter drill

[bright cliff]

I enjoy it it just sucks on stuff like shock troop gauntlet

[mystic belfry]

Knife has enough mobility to get you out of litterally any situation

[gray finch]

the shooter path is so bad that you never want to go there

[bright cliff]

because you never proc it unless you’re fighting the 40 shotgunner wave

[mystic belfry]

Especially if you're immune to suppression

If you want utterly insane mobility, be immune to suppression and also stun

Then even if you get tagged you'll still shmoove

[forest blaze]

STAMINA

[devout atlas]

dude. tac axe 2 on right tree. the attack speed actually makes it fuck so hard. I wanted to make a speed aura build just in case theres already a fire team/scav vet and I made a kantrael + tax2 with krak and infil build and this thing actually rips. the increased crits also let you doink Crushers at 1200 DPS somehow

[gray finch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa76c81-e2cb-41cb-9aa1-edbbe7b6d0b7/vet-for-all

[forest blaze]

I’ll be trying out weapon spec infil plasma tonight in AM. I think it’ll be a lot more comfortable than focus target

[astral blade]

well i ain't using comp urge now any suggestions on where i should place this final point

[forest blaze]

EXTRA GRENADE

[astral blade]

and i wont be taking suggestions from evil either

[devout atlas]

demolition expert funny

[forest blaze]

demolition is also good

In AM, demolition expert is silly

[devout atlas]

i thought demolition expert was a meme until i used it as a meme and realized it's actually good as fuck

[mystic belfry]

I’ll try it sometime

[frank ether]

the stam regen isnt as valueable as you think

[frozen moon]

Bricked or not?

[tall warren]

what's the best veteran ability?

[mystic belfry]

You don’t have to take it

[bright cliff]

smoke grenade

[mystic belfry]

Shout

[forest blaze]

Ability?

[astral blade]

any other suggestions?

[timber raven]

camo

[devout atlas]

smoke grenade with full grenade build

[sharp ember]

shout is easiest to use

[bright cliff]

actually I take that back it’s the ability to shoot your gun

[devout atlas]

also marksman with helbore

totally

[timber raven]

what are people running on their power swords now?

[devout atlas]

DOOM 2016

[timber raven]

idk how the power activation interacts with cleave stats..

[forest blaze]

Power cycler brutal momentum

[mystic belfry]

Cycler and brutal momentum

[tall warren]

Sorry I meant Stance, Voice or Infiltrate

[bright cliff]

shout

[sharp ember]

some freaks are using Sunder + Power Cycler so they can slash spam through crusher hordes

[trim steppe]

stam good for deadshot ya? or will i miss important breakpoints without a dam roll

[delicate moat]

imo it's actually better the harder the difficulty is

[timber raven]

momentum just for the weakpoint damage eh?

[forest blaze]

Infiltrate and Shout.

[bright cliff]

literally seen maybe two infiltrate users ever and stance kinda blows rn

if you’re gonna use infiltrate at that point just go zealot

[sharp ember]

momentum increases your kills per swing by like 4

[forest blaze]

Infiltrate is better the worse your team is, which makes it GOAT

[astral blade]

kill zone any good?

[timber raven]

i feel like slaughterer is better than brutal momentum?

[hearty panther]

nope

[timber raven]

huh. aight

[trim steppe]

I think not because 8m is huge and there's always something in there

[devout atlas]

yeah i tried a goofy grenade build on auric damnation and was astonished that demo expert gave me back like 3 grenades in a minute at one point

[sharp ember]

momentum gets a higher bodycount faster because headshot kills reset your cleave damage falloff, with an upper limit*

[delicate moat]

the +1 +1 from mutant or dog or pox burster trains are extremely funny

[forest blaze]

Demo is just waiting for that 15 shotty specialist spawn to give you all the grenades 😂

[trim steppe]

yeah slaughterer was displaced by BM. once BM procs your swing continues to deal full damage to everything else instead of like half damage

[viscid marlin]

Does the 5% chance accumilate or is it just 5% period?

[timber raven]

what are the dumpstats on power sword then? gonna do a full reroll

[trim steppe]

mobility, cleave targets to some extent

[devout atlas]

honestly think its better than field improv, i think doing boy math i got about 12 grenades back (that i noticed) from demo expert in a 20 min game

[delicate moat]

u guys know that moment when the pox burster train's 3rd poxburster has just somehow staggered enough distance to not die to first two but then still close enough to screw u over?

[forest blaze]

5% per instance, which means it can trigger multiple times in a row. In auric missions, it’ll trigger A LOT

[viscid marlin]

i dunno.. 5% is a really rng roll to not take the guarenteed nade

[forest blaze]

My favorite member of the conga line. The caboose.

[forest blaze]

You take both 😂

[timber raven]

ahhh shit okay. What about perks for powersword then lol

[bright cliff]

all of the “every time you kill an enemy have a 2.5% chance to do X” get so much better on AM

[devout atlas]

on auric damn it honestly seems pretty good, considering how anemic some other talents are (like how the 30% weakpoint bonus can be worse than a 5% ranged damage bonus on some weapons)

[viscid marlin]

maybe one day i'll find a way to make room for something like that

[bright cliff]

Like they’re terrible for like, heresy or regular damn but once you push aurics and the ai director starts punching you in the ass it gets weirdly much better

[viscid marlin]

that makes sense

[trim steppe]

unarmored/elite/flak/maniac imo. Blessings are more important

[devout atlas]

having a dozen extra grenades per game on auric kinda fucks

[viscid marlin]

ai director is on crack right now, not going to be a lack of elites..

[sharp ember]

i love grenade spam

[devout atlas]

im running demo on all my shredder builds now

i dont think it makes much sense on kraks

but more shredders mo fun

[forest blaze]

Carnival is the one that can fuck you hard. The first 1/3 of the mission is just horde and specials don’t normally spawn until the first main event. This is where the grenade every 60s is clutch.

[trim steppe]

What do?

[plucky linden]

i assume stopping power is important?

[trim steppe]

My green rolled well

[delicate moat]

still very good on kraks considering there is no lack of armor or bosses

[hollow turtle]

Show of hands. How many people have had memory crashing from a "lua_heap" error?

[devout atlas]

yea but u might be oki with 58%, press V to check

[bright cliff]

AWOOGA HOLY 80

[quasi glade]

you can inspect weapon with V and look at what each stat does

[forest blaze]

Kraks is for children

[quasi glade]

iirc stopping power is % of damage done to different enemy types

[hollow turtle]

Then I shall continue sniffing glue.

[plucky linden]

yes, which is why I'm asking here to double check, it looked important in there.

[forest blaze]

I’m kidding. Kraks are pogaf

[devout atlas]

I only use kraks on one build (my infil one) and I don't have the points to reach it so I use the lack of demo as cope

[sharp ember]

very nice, change both perks to your choice between Maniac/Unyielding/Carapace/Flak

[quasi glade]

okay that doesn't look too bad

[hollow turtle]

[plucky linden]

so i guess I'm skipping this gun.

[quasi glade]

it's low anyway, even at max

[plucky linden]

or not?

[trim steppe]

Ty sir

[viscid marlin]

i thought that was just impact and stagger?

[quasi glade]

but ask the others to be sure

i'd prob buy it, but I don't use that type of gun

[delicate moat]

I now perfer frags significantly more because how diverse the director likes to make the mixed hordes

[devout atlas]

sadly no stopping power affects damage, wait till you find out Defense sometimes (rarely) affects attack speed (like on Power Maul)

[viscid marlin]

the fuck, they still didnt change that?

[devout atlas]

they're fantastic when 15 ragers decide to spawn

[quasi glade]

that's collateral, isnt it?

[sharp ember]

collateral is impact and stagger and suppression (thus worse than stopping power)

[devout atlas]

collateral is quite possibly the worst stat in the game and on some weapons you literally want it at 0%

[viscid marlin]

I mean it literally says in the description "a measurment of impact and stagger on enemies", why does it do % damage

[quasi glade]

no clue

[delicate moat]

fatshark likes to fatshark

[quasi glade]

obese fish shenanigans

[forest blaze]

Frags are GOATed

[plucky linden]

so is that gun decent to buy or nah? haven't even played with Mk4 since release.

[quasi glade]

Maybe try a gray MK4 in the meat grinder first to decide if you even like how the gun works?

[delicate moat]

i tried mg4, not feeling it, need to try 1a

[devout atlas]

ngl I am a bit addicted to revy lately

its awesome that it only needs 1 talent to function

just grab Deadshot and rip+tear

[quasi glade]

personally all I run on Vet are Col MK V I.AG (Exec.Stance), Plasma Gun (Shout) and rarely a revolver

[delicate moat]

laspistol goes hard

[viscid marlin]

So is stopping power just % damage on.. everything?

[devout atlas]

for me its like 50% revolver, lawbringer/agripinaa/kantrael shotty build, laspis build, plasma build

i used to have iags but like

other classes use them almost as good or better

[quasi glade]

nah if you look at the screenshot above it's not on everything

[devout atlas]

😭

first target is damage on everything tho

first target is sometimes better than damage

[viscid marlin]

hmm

[devout atlas]

crayyyzyyy

[quasi glade]

I only use iag with exestance to clear out shooters ASAP

they get nasty on heresy/damnation maelstroms

[devout atlas]

columnussy on gazesyker goes crazy, their crit chance means you get smth like 80% effective crit rate with it, I recommend giving it a try

[quasi glade]

Don't have a Psyker

Well I do, but level 11

[delicate moat]

lmao i like col V on psyker more than vet too

[devout atlas]

gunsyker kinda fun I recommend forcing yourself to play it

and ever since gaze it's actually good too

not a lot of weapons that work reliably on them (mostly revy, lumnus, graia, laspis and other lasguns) but ye

[viscid marlin]

When all other things fail me, this is usually what i end up falling back to and it works for pretty much everything. With deadshot and duck n dive its a headshot lazerbeam of accuracy at pretty much all ranges and it has plenty of damage so i can take shout with it and not feel gimped.

[delicate moat]

mk1 iag is solid

[devout atlas]

agri goes hard i mostly use it on my zealot tho

[viscid marlin]

what how

[devout atlas]

basically what 40% crit chance does to a mf

[delicate moat]

col v with gaze and DD goes hard

[viscid marlin]

oh is it the crit chains?

i bet its the crit chains

[devout atlas]

yea 6 shots of crit chains

[viscid marlin]

SIX?!

jesus

[devout atlas]

and 40% crit chance with gaze up

[viscid marlin]

alright

i need that build

[devout atlas]

so your chanec of being in a crit chain is insane

[viscid marlin]

dm me that, i want that

gib

😄

[devout atlas]

uhh lemme get on my psyker and check

but yea its quite good

[viscid marlin]

wooo

[devout atlas]

i had a columnus with dumdum and raking and it 1 mag'd a slug boss on auric once 😭

[viscid marlin]

ive been trying to make a gun psyker work but i havent had much success

oooooooooof

[devout atlas]

prob other sources of damage but yea

[frank ether]

better than opening salvo for most guns

[devout atlas]

the health bar just . vanished

[frank ether]

opening salvo might be better on helbore though

in theory if you're always critting you'll always have opening salvo buff

but in practice you'll get a non crit at some point and lose the benefit

so both kill zone and opening salvo are unreliable damage buffs in their own unique way

[devout atlas]

This is what I usually run with deimos/dsword4 and columnus iag. i like deathspitter and dumdum on mine.

assail helps save ammo, anti-sniper, and provides increased horde-clear for free

you can go for smite if you want

[frank ether]

I dont take the bottom assail modifier

personally

[devout atlas]

its a lot better now tbh

[viscid marlin]

i'm putting it on now

[frank ether]

for me assail is just there when I want to stun stuff or save ammo

I guess it probably is better now

[sleek garden]

any lawbringer fans here

[devout atlas]

oh thats what u meant

the 30% helps a lot now since it regens very slow now

[frank ether]

thats for the better probably I had higher uptime on assail than my gun before the nerf

[whole moon]

If there are can they tell me how to use this weapon effectively pls 🙂

[devout atlas]

yeap. big fan. scattershot + flechette. grab deadshot then do anything u want

[sleek garden]

aim for the head

[devout atlas]

shoot things till they die

[sleek garden]

when a horde is running at you load special and don't aim

[devout atlas]

you can aim, the spread reduction is pretty small

[sleek garden]

The lawbringer tightens spread when you ads

[devout atlas]

yea it does, tested it and its not that significant

in most cases you'd prefer the deadshot buff

[frank ether]

shotguns are bizarre in this game

[whole moon]

I've got one with the scatter flechette as a pairing for a crit/bleed knife. Currently using it in an opportunist fashion and feel it's lacking. Where am I going wrong?

[frank ether]

on one hand they have very realistic damage over range

on the other hand adsing tightens pellets like wtf

[sleek garden]

I love the lawbringer it has good two shot range

I have no respite to make sure if the first shot doesn't kill the next one will for sure

[dusk jacinth]

should i pick this up

[frank ether]

I guess gameplay over realism

[devout atlas]

i used to use cknife on it but once you get your ass surrounded there isn't much you can do sadly

[frank ether]

nah

[dusk jacinth]

(and refine it)

[devout atlas]

idk what to tell you, just see big horde and delete it

use it like a kickback with more ammo

[frank ether]

very low mobility, no tier 4 perks, no power cycler, skip

[sleek garden]

Jesus I have max mobility and I get like 2 dodges

horrible

[umbral scaffold]

werent we getting comestics on the 17th ?

[whole moon]

I'll keep going w it, I'm sure I'll adapt. I'll find some love for it I'm sure 🙂

[umbral scaffold]

what happened to that ?

[dusk jacinth]

moblity is a dump stat

wtf

are u doing

[devout atlas]

not rlly on pswords

[sleek garden]

trying to keep up with the knife zealots

What do you think

[frank ether]

also dumpstat or not %20 mobility is terrible

[devout atlas]

their dodge is so ass and pcycler carries cleave targets/cleave damage that mobility is probably your 3rd highest demand stat

[frank ether]

it actually starts slowing you down at that point

and psword dodge is ass yea

[empty creek]

got on vet out of the blue w/ no warmup & beat the new map on auric damnation

we're back

[sleek garden]

It is pretty terrible but you take what you can get with 5 bars of stamina

[frank ether]

building for block is viable for psword 6

its pretty ok at blocking

[devout atlas]

just be a gigachad and use laspis as your dodge

[sleek garden]

It has block stamina reduction actually

[frank ether]

just some weird quirk if you block a hit from back angle it penalizes you

so keep that in mind

[devout atlas]

im not even kidding this works

[whole moon]

Just the Mk6 that has the block efficiency tho yeah?

[mystic belfry]

...My good man, that's every weapon

[frank ether]

people sleep on laspistol

[sleek garden]

it doesn't penalize you it just does the normal amount of stamina it takes to normally block from behind

[empty creek]

U make the joke but there R crazy powerful builds that abuse the weapon swap kill bonuses

[frank ether]

of all the las weapons

[sleek garden]

Because it has front block stamina reduction

[empty creek]

real as fuck

[frank ether]

pistol is very very good

[sleek garden]

So it feels worse

[frank ether]

but very few people use it

[mystic belfry]

All weapons take more stam if you block outside of your push/block angle

[devout atlas]

ps6 is the perfect compliment for laspistol builds imho

good horde-clear and anti-cara

[frank ether]

yea

[devout atlas]

laspistol perfectly compliments it with dodge

like bread n butter

[sleek garden]

They fudged up the other power sword

[frank ether]

run fast and pewpew with pistol

[sleek garden]

Why

What does the other one do now

[frank ether]

do a shout and kill whatevers you cant pew pew with ps

[devout atlas]

I do enjoy laspis ps6 a lot

actually fucks hard and once u get used to dodge swaps its fun asf

[whole moon]

I still have a soft spot for the Mk3, was my first ps and I still love it

[devout atlas]

its a good skill to learn too and its transferrable to other builds and characters

i dodge swap on cknife psyker caster builds a lot

its rlly useful

[sleek garden]

I haven't used the pistol in a while

It feels kinda weak to me

[frank ether]

I have one with random ass perks and blessings

it still fucks

[sleek garden]

But every weapon works

It's just preference

[devout atlas]

it fucks super hard, its bodyshot DPS is worse than the lasguns but its headshot DPS is nuts

[sleek garden]

I used to use it on psyker a lot

[mystic belfry]

Las pistol is a close range weapon

It's damage is awful at far range, don't do that

[devout atlas]

well ehh

[frank ether]

its not that bad at range

[devout atlas]

it's so accurate and it usually carries thru

[frank ether]

unless u mean like

super far off

[mystic belfry]

You can spam it for kills at a distance, if you need to

[frank ether]

then Idk

[devout atlas]

idk my aim is cracked so i can pop headshots at 100 meters with it since it has no recoil

[mystic belfry]

But don't make a habit of it

[sleek garden]

it's a weird laser gun variant where the damage scales down at range unlike the other laser cannons

I like sniping people with the rifles

[devout atlas]

also laspis has a rlly high crit multiplier

like stupid silly high

[mystic belfry]

It's a great gun

[devout atlas]

shit will go from 400 damage on a headshot and then boom 1700

[frank ether]

crits are op

[sleek garden]

But see I use my laser rifle at close range so I can fire indiscriminately into horses and trigger covering fire

[frank ether]

on some guns

[devout atlas]

yea laspis crits go so hard its actually the single highest DPS on psyker

[sleek garden]

Deadshot on Columnus autogun time

[devout atlas]

dollarstore gazesyker moment half joking

[frank ether]

ciag deadshot is shockingly viable

but like

[whole moon]

Oh, any DClaw fans able to parry about?

[frank ether]

honestly feels like hardmode gunpsyker

[devout atlas]

love me dclaw altho i use it mostly on zeal

i like my dclaw on plasma

good compliment

[sleek garden]

I haven't been able to practice on maulers/ragers

[frank ether]

a gunpsyker is tankier than you aswell cause they dont have to edge with +9 stamina

so deadshot ciag comes with many quirks

[devout atlas]

and are immune to ranged by just using their gun

cus crit ranged immunity for 1 second talent lmao

[sly haven]

hey can someone explain the charismatic node to me im a bit confused by it

[sleek garden]

Dude I used clmns auto with deadshot using weapons specialist and you immediately run out of stamina

Like instantaneously

[whole moon]

I was led to believe parrying the overheads does massive return damage so what am I doing wrong here? https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1EKiVmDAzZRGKV/d1337PQoxSQk?invite=cr-MSxQT2UsMjAwMzc3ODc2LA

[viscid marlin]

my favorite

[trim steppe]

it just increases your coherency radius

[sly haven]

is there some kind of visualization of how it works or if it's worth it

[frank ether]

I just think deadshot drain is still too much

[sly haven]

like does it make myself able to be in coherency easier or everyone else?

[frank ether]

but its very up there now so easy to reach for mid/right builds

[sleek garden]

It's a light attack, light attack damage is massively reduced against carapace

[devout atlas]

both

[empty creek]

whats the difference between the 2 powerswords

[viscid marlin]

that wasnt the head

[devout atlas]

it's alright but on higher difficulties you tend to play closer together so the aura radius is rarely worth it

[trim steppe]

your radius is increased, so its easier to overlap with your teammates. so, both

it also increases your shout radius if you use that

[sly haven]

so charismatic is kinda must have meta for melee vets?

[frank ether]

I never take it

[whole moon]

Wasn't it? Looked like I cracked top of the head both times

[frank ether]

I dont think it does that for shout

[devout atlas]

yea im like, pretty sure it doesnt do that

[sly haven]

i don';t think it increases shout...

[viscid marlin]

the sweep comes from the bottom left and ends at the top right, i think you are htting somewhere near the collar

[desert hawk]

it only increases your ammo sharing / damage sharing / whatever the other aura is

[trim steppe]

I mean the toughness to teammates, not the stagger

[sly haven]

then it would be completely not optional lol

[trim steppe]

its to teammates in coherency

[frank ether]

Might be nice to have if you're going for a support focused vet with spot keystone

but even then

if ppl dont wanna stay in coherency let them be punished

[whole moon]

Ok, any tips on positioning to get the head hit?

[sly haven]

does charismatic increase revival radius if it increases the radius of which voc gives toughness boost?

[devout atlas]

no

[viscid marlin]

when you are that close, you will have to aim up and to the right a bit more to get the origin of the swing to hit it i think, it does take some finagling to get it right so just keep trying and you will get there

[devout atlas]

aura is smth . different to the shout

[frank ether]

the revive modifier reducing shout range is such a scam

[mystic belfry]

I'd rather the reduced ran than the reduced cooldown

[whole moon]

Cheers, I'll give that a go later, many thanks Volgona

[frank ether]

its one of those things where you're overly punished for a nice to have that you paid for

[mystic belfry]

I'd take it without the cooldown debuff

[sly haven]

what pairs well with onslaught, i feel like i've seen a lot of mention of something pairing well with it

[frank ether]

ciag or braced auto

[mystic belfry]

Anything with a fast firing rate goes well with onslaught

[frank ether]

onslaught is for spray n pray guns

[half wigeon]

Colomnus

[frank ether]

you get columnus iag dumdum

and you shred armor

[sly haven]

iag?

[frank ether]

infantry autogun

[trim steppe]

VoC has a radius of 9m for a stagger, 6m for revive and stagger if you take the revive talent. The toughness to teammates goes to any teammates in coherency so charismatic affects that

[frank ether]

also works well with braced guns if thats to your taste

[sly haven]

would onslaught also work with recon 6d?

[half wigeon]

Yeah

[frank ether]

yes but going recon with right tree doesnt sound very good

[mystic belfry]

Yes but recon is still meh

[half wigeon]

But Recon 6 IS shit

[frank ether]

cause recon is kind of shit atm

and you'd be better off going marksman keystone

since it has big ammo pool and high rof

[sly haven]

:(

[empty creek]

everybody online is saying the ps6 is dogshit compared 2 the OG ps3

[frank ether]

you'll constantly hitweakspots, keep 10 stacks of marksman and get the %10 rending that way

[sly haven]

it's kinda my best gun aside from bolter :(

and bolter ain't so good on my melee

[trim steppe]

OG ps3 was insane, literally infinite cleave you could just kill everything

[plucky linden]

speaking of marksman keystone, what's finese power ?

[empty creek]

how about currently

[frank ether]

I do surgical deadshot on bolter with a shout build

game from today

auric t5 on new map

[trim steppe]

And when the PS6 came out, PC was bugged to add like 55 powered swings so you could just charge once and swing forever, hilarious

[empty creek]

i know the 6 has that push attack but im not a dweeb so im never gonna use that

is there a tangible difference

[sleek garden]

if you play like me it's pretty simple, you actually have to click heads

[sleek garden]

The push attack is your most powerful tool

If you don't know how to use it then just use 3

[mystic belfry]

You just

[frank ether]

you take a spammy gun with fast mobility and keep racking headshot kills, or you take camouflage and put up a tent on sedition difficulty

[mystic belfry]

use push attack

[empty creek]

i know how 2 use it, it's just that the stamina it uses is a pain in the ass

[calm prairie]

if you're not gonna use push attack theres no point in using 6

[whole moon]

The PS6 moveset is superior (for what the PS do) and gives you the best lethality for the atk types, the 3 is reversed in that fashion

[trim steppe]

honestly I prefer the ps3 still right now, it keeps you more mobile while you charge it and has great horde clear, still damages armor pretty well

[mystic belfry]

Just hold block

And hold attack

[sleek garden]

okay in this case you take camouflage

[empty creek]

ahh so the it's the normal chains as well then

[sleek garden]

You get stacks for standing still

[empty creek]

im guessing it has better diagonals

[sly haven]

do all infantry autoguns share discovered blessings?

[empty creek]

ive been trying both these past few days after a conversation here but cant figure out which 1 is better

[tropic imp]

Yup

[empty creek]

my PS3 is mid

[sleek garden]

it increases range finesse which basically means increasing penetration/headshot damage

I'm not sure how helpful that is on a gun that one shots 89% of enemies

[sly haven]

bolter deadshot?????

[whole moon]

6 lights are sweeps, excellent for hordes 6 heavies are strikedown diagonals, good for everything else. 6 also has block charge atk that pierces bulwarks n wrecks crushers.

[trim steppe]

Im just a ps3 simp because I cant be bothered to learn the ps6 moveset, I just like to charge and spam lights into hordes and watch everything blend

[frank ether]

yes, deadshot bolter, with surgical

[sleek garden]

Bolter Deadshot is fun

That was my antitank build

[whole moon]

And this is why I still love the 3 too

[sly haven]

is deadshot a blessing or am i dumdum

[frank ether]

its a talent

[sleek garden]

Dude the left keystone actually would work so great with deadshot

And bolter

[gilded lynx]

surgical + shattering impact?

[empty creek]

im NGL i love horizontal heavies & i aim 4 heads regardless of what im doing in melee BC im usually using an axe

[sleek garden]

faster reload

[empty creek]

this hunk of shit won me auric t5 on the new map

[frank ether]

at some point its too much mental tax

[sly haven]

i only have a bolter with cavalcade and shattering :/

[whole moon]

6 also has a movement stagger on charge but you can avoid it mostly by dodging while charging

[half wigeon]

Is deadshot a meta now ? I've seen so many ppls using deadshot now

[empty creek]

the dodge was so ass i found myself hotswapping 2 the helbore i had equipped & just bayonet charging out of the way

[whole moon]

Think someone posted a vid showing the 6 charges just a shade quicker too

[gilded lynx]

Wouldn't the use of Surgical negate the use for Deadshot?

[sly haven]

where is deadshot

[frank ether]

nothing meta about deadshot but how else will you get faster crits on vet without fucking up your entire build

[empty creek]

define a shade

[frank ether]

you gotta do what you gotta do

[empty creek]

how itty bitty we talkin here bra

[frank ether]

and deadshot is like pick your poison kinda thing

[whole moon]

Looked to be less than half a second

[empty creek]

im sold

PS6 4 Lyfe

[gilded lynx]

Lower left talent tree just below Executioner Stance

[sly haven]

oh i found it

[sleek garden]

It's pretty passive idk

[sly haven]

deadshot doesn't seem good for melee vet tho

[sleek garden]

it just gives you buffs for landing headshot kills

[half wigeon]

Yeah idk xD

[frank ether]

I didnt ask for where it is bruh

read again

[gilded lynx]

Sorry I replied to the wrong person

[frank ether]

understandable

[mystic belfry]

Ya know, of all the silent enemy spawns, bursters have to be the most annoying

[sleek garden]

Deadshot isn't like de facto use with revolver?

what

[frank ether]

I mean... yea

[sleek garden]

did you forget silent crushers

[frank ether]

its also good on shotgun

[sleek garden]

At least you can tank a burster sometimes

[half wigeon]

Deadshot is fine on low fire rate guns

[frank ether]

anything you can quickscope and shoot with

[mystic belfry]

No, silent crushers are annoying ,but bursters at the wrong time I've seen wipe an entire team

[frank ether]

the per shot drain isnt terrible

but the per second drain is a lot

[trim steppe]

Trappers tho... ?!?!

[half wigeon]

Deadshot on laspistols

[sleek garden]

silent poxbursters aren't usually a problem I think, it's because they spawn at the doors people are in front of trying to kill through walls

[mystic belfry]

Trappers are still just one person

[quick burrow]

Its a cannon event that shotguns are the superior firearm

[mystic belfry]

I just had a silent burster wipe my team, that's why I'm bitching :v

[sleek garden]

Typical ogryn kickback user

[mystic belfry]

Just suddenly exploded and we all died lmao

[sleek garden]

Definitely a cannon event

[mystic belfry]

There was even the ticking noise when it goes green

[trim steppe]

Like 3 times in the past couple weeks I've been silent trapper pulled through a line of crushers or a monstrosity in a hallway, no way for my team to get to me and then they wipe with a man down

[frank ether]

I believe they aren't silent but they just spawn right next to people because of agressive AI director

[mystic belfry]

No, it was silent

It's a glitch that happens

[delicate moat]

can confirm a lot of things are silent

[frank ether]

a lot of things are indeed silent

[mystic belfry]

The ones that spawn close you will still hear the ticks when it goes green

[quick burrow]

Here is my evidence, this unaltered sequence that occurred during the HH to save the Emps bacon.

[sleek garden]

Okay new auric maelstroms you absolutely have to have someone with a power weapon

[frank ether]

but if you pay attention you'll see that they spawn like within 10 meters of players

[sleek garden]

Power maul or crusher

[delicate moat]

sometimes i just blast music while playing because i don't hear much anyway

[sleek garden]

like it's necessary

[quick burrow]

Now if u look close you see the shotgun

[trim steppe]

My favorite is the door at the top of the elevator in the commplex mission, every fucking time a burster just spawns leaping out of the door and kills everyone

[mystic belfry]

I've watched mobs spawn standing in arms reach directly behind people

[delicate moat]

don't have to, but having some form of CC is very valuable, like smite

[frank ether]

yes my theory is that AI director is plopping them outside of player LoS so you notice when you do a sharp turn the ''illusion'' is broken

[trim steppe]

Have you noticed that the Carnival arena chokepoint has a spawn point right behind where everyone stands? Bursters and trappers and bombers just appear 10m behind you and ruin your shit

[frank ether]

Honestly I feel like doing this is mostly ok but not for poxbursters

that can also be silent

[delicate moat]

stand at entrance

[frank ether]

it has the same vibes as

when you play a game

[delicate moat]

avoid button area

[frank ether]

go to a cutscene

and there is a sudden quicktime event

it has the same vibe

[trim steppe]

thats what im talking about, if you dont stand IN the corner of the entrance, it is a spawn point

[delicate moat]

buttom area has like 5 spawn doors and 2 stair cases

[trim steppe]

like if you stand just 5-10m forward of the L

[frank ether]

yes, correct

[atomic zephyr]

arena is the easiest part of carnival because you can shut the gates and camp the entrance

[frank ether]

they spawn behind you regardless

[delicate moat]

stand at very start, not towards center

[atomic zephyr]

the enemies behind aren’t so bad

[whole moon]

I haven't seen that yet if I'm honest and QP has been sending me to Canrival every game (actually getting sick of it now)

[delicate moat]

I've found if u hug the furthest wall away from arena it helps to mitigate thin air spawning

[trim steppe]

yes. people often move up to melee spam and then get ruined from behind

[frank ether]

its still best to stand at entrance but that didn't stop AI director from spawning like 10 poxbursters from behind during the course of the entire fight today

[frank ether]

maybe it has to do with LoS checks

[delicate moat]

i watched a bomber appear at a fixed spawn location

u have to hug the furthest wall

or it will spawn there

[frank ether]

I dont rly mind top side spawns and bombers throwing from out of LoS angles

but I do despise it when snipers go up t op

[delicate moat]

[frank ether]

and shoot you from like 1 pixel wide gaps of those fences

and you cant shoot back

I have never played a PvE game that actively tries to kill the player as much as this game does

and this is not a complaint

I love it

[half wigeon]

Laspistols dumdum & infernus ?

[frank ether]

please make me suffer more

[delicate moat]

ghost also good subject to preference

[sleek garden]

Crossing the throneside skyway

[half wigeon]

Ghost ?

Does it pair with duck and dive ?

[delicate moat]

oh yeah, that is awful with the tinest crack sniper LOS

[frank ether]

I like those two yes but you can play around with raking&dumdum for infiltrate builds aswell

[sleek garden]

The other place is probably the weird fences running across the smelter complex bridge halfway through the level

[half wigeon]

I've been using this idk if it's still okay

[mystic belfry]

Ghost, raking fire, and infernus are all decent options on las pistol to pair with dumdum, depends on what you want from it

[sleek garden]

Looks good to me

To be honest I have a build that doesn't even touch keystones

[hardy comet]

what is best shotgun?

[sleek garden]

It's pretty easy to pass up keystones for other perks

[mystic belfry]

You're way over invested in tag capstone

[delicate moat]

very normal

[mystic belfry]

Ditch the middle and right ones imo

[frank ether]

sometimes its better to not have one

[sleek garden]

My personal favorite is the lawbringer but many seem to like the slightest shotgun

Slug*

[half wigeon]

Yeah maybe better so i Can take range damage or onslaught

[mystic belfry]

Slug and fire shotguns are the best

Slugs actually do well with marksman

[sleek garden]

Is the lawbringer just lacking somehow

I feel like it works fine

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, it's just less damage and the special is nothing overly useful

[ruby fulcrum]

I really like the lawbringer now but it was really bad for a long time

[half wigeon]

Onslaught worth on laspistols ?

[mystic belfry]

It's not useless or anything

[frank ether]

P13 ammo nerfs were brutal for shotties

[mystic belfry]

Yeah onslaught is fine for las pistols

[sleek garden]

I really like loading the special shell in the lawbringer and then firing at an approaching horde

[ruby fulcrum]

Scattershot + flechette works real well on lawbringer

[frank ether]

if you use it for specials

[mystic belfry]

Fire shotgun is better at opening shots on a horde tbh ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frank ether]

build reload speed

[mystic belfry]

Infinite cleave

[frank ether]

there are multiple reload speed talents

for vet

[sleek garden]

It only clears the front lines, but it's not so much about efficiency

[mystic belfry]

Take both early on the tree for shotguns, yeah.

[sleek garden]

It's that they all explode in guts and gore

It's a show

you should try it

[mystic belfry]

I'll be covered in guts in melee regardless

[frank ether]

besides both %20 damage over range and %20 sprint cost reduction are good talents

kinda sleeped on but for deadshot shotgun it does make stamina management less pain

[hollow turtle]

Loads into lobby
2 zealots with knives
Immediately leave lobby

[mystic belfry]

it's not knife that's an issue

[delicate moat]

[mystic belfry]

It's infilitrate

[delicate moat]

stealth + loner = sus

[frank ether]

rush ahead of everyone and die to overhead vibes

[mystic belfry]

yep

[hollow turtle]

It's not even that. Just my experience when there's 2 zealots carrying high mobility stuff, its usually a sign they're speed running the map at the cost of the others.

[frank ether]

and then send 150 ragers and 50 crushers at team cause you aggrod the entire map

[delicate moat]

when they die alone 100m away

[mystic belfry]

Good practice for true solo

[delicate moat]

you're just like

[hollow turtle]

They will not revive you. Their goal is to get from Point A to Point B without you.

[rain crane]

is this garbage

w bad damage

[mystic belfry]

Yeah