veteran-class

[junior needle]

Not sure if it still applies post talent patch, but it used to need +unarmored to one shot body dreg shooters on a charged shot

[cerulean void]

yeah, trying to build a weapon specialist lasgun build but brauto seems to be the best use for my purposes

[oak cosmos]

Passing ogryn player here.

1. You probably should never shoot goarners or poxwalkers with that gun since that guns about sniping elites
2. That weapon relys on chargeshot so sustained fire is bad on it

[finite imp]

We love you. Gtfo

[cerulean void]

doesn't it have innate cleave? I've seen it used to help crowd clear without eating ammo

[finite imp]

You innocent ogryns don't need to see this shit

[oak cosmos]

Im currently leveling a veteran as subclass

[oak cosmos]

Oh

XD

[junior needle]

Yes, they're all varying degrees of bad. 2 and 7a have way too low dps and ammo issues, and 6d can get "acceptable" dps but has even worse ammo issues. They also require strict talent taxes to make up for how shit they are baseline.

[frank gyro]

which perks and blessings would u recommend?

[hearty cove]

does no respite stack with falter?

[finite imp]

Enjoy your stable and well established combat roles were over here having an identity crisis currently

[oak cosmos]

From what I heard lasguns get like 0 cleave from 4+

[near sable]

woe upon ye,

12 g

[oak cosmos]

Except lucius which you shouldn't be aiming at horde anyways

[cerulean void]

not base lasguns sorry, the lucius patterns

[junior needle]

Falter is a waste of a blessing, the combo isn't worth it in the slightest

[oak cosmos]

No idea, but I think vs elite and vs carapace or flak might work

[cerulean void]

is there a way to pair a lasgun with a knife that doesn't gut your crowd capability?

[hearty cove]

it wouldn't be if it stacks with no respite meaning every headshots increased %dmg

[oak cosmos]

Also crit chance

Lucius goes well with that perk which refunds ammo when getting a crit

[hearty panther]

The problem is that headshots with a Helbore, especially the 3, usually mean the target is dead.

[novel moat]

Surgical and Onslaught are amazing on all the helbores. I use it on my MK 3 and it rips.

[oak cosmos]

And Lucius is actually one of the guns that can kill Crushers reasonably

Its just THAT strong

[novel moat]

Byeah

[oak cosmos]

I once saw a friendly veteran yell out Engaging Primary Targrt and double tap a crusher

[junior needle]

It technically stacks, but what you get from it is very low and not worth giving up the blessing slot for something that would be more useful. If you're consistently clicking heads, headhunter/deadly would be much more efficient at actually killing things. No respite also has a cap last I checked.

[oak cosmos]

While I was stopping them from getting into 15metre with my power bonk

Also, I missed the krieg skin offer so that scarred me for life

But I changed my mind and decided that my spirit shall be krieg

Not to forget that Steel Legion costume looks similar and just as cool

[novel moat]

Friendly Reminder for all passing classes:
Please cover your veterans, they need it when trying to snipe shooters and ranged specials.

[oak cosmos]

(Yes I bayonet charge reapers)

[oak cosmos]

Worry not, its ma life motto

Protect da li' uns

[novel moat]

Ogryns really are the best when it comes to this. Its the woeful circumstance that occurs when no Big guys are on the team.

[oak cosmos]

Ogryn class chat is basically general chat mk2 and I LOVE it

[frank gyro]

dumpstat on the lucius mkII was stability right

[junior needle]

Yes, and mobility

[oak cosmos]

Yeah

[frank gyro]

doesnt have mobility

[novel moat]

God I hope the next update adds a high capacity guardsman gun. I YEARN to be him. (He is just like me fr)

[junior needle]

[oak cosmos]

Stability is useless since even if you shoot it asap it takes one second per shot

Even with mk2 whose charge speed is fastest

[junior needle]

You're right, time to sleep

[frank gyro]

should i get a different one

before i waste my plasteel on this

[oak cosmos]

Ehhhhhh

[novel moat]

Try and get more stopping power, but it ain't a terrible roll.

Keep it in your backpocket.

[oak cosmos]

Im too used to ogryn weapons so I dont know

You can just get any weapon and make it work for ogryns

[junior needle]

Stopping power too low

[oak cosmos]

Because kick back with 27% damage modifier still gets 1300 damage per shot

[torn gorge]

focus on damage and stopping power first/ammo stability after

[cerulean void]

what's the go-to blessing set on a base lasgun anyways?

[torn gorge]

mk2 is very sensitive about higher rolls to hit the 1tap breakpoint

[oak cosmos]

Its best when your ammo gets divided perfectly by your charge shot ammo use

[tardy vine]

wich blessing do i want on vraks3?

[whole moon]

A don't know about THE goto blessing but headhunter and deadly accurate work on most

[torn gorge]

crit blessing+deadly accurate

[oak cosmos]

Like, mk3 uses 9 per shot so having 99 or 108 ammo is noice

[torn gorge]

usually headhunter

[novel moat]

yeah pretty much.

[keen sedge]

opinions?

[torn gorge]

ghost is also an option over crit blessing if you run with deadshot

[oak cosmos]

That doesnt look too good tbh

[novel moat]

Ghost is kinda slept on IMO. Drastically increases your survivability when in Exe stance. Especially with all the gunners running around on missions now.

[oak cosmos]

These heretics found a way to open portal to london and florida

[keen sedge]

then which would be better (im gonna replace that stamina shit for flak)

[novel moat]

Worse. They've opened one into Detroit.

[oak cosmos]

Chainsword looks better

[oak cosmos]

Dear god

[viscid sparrow]

there's more

[frank ether]

@frank ledge not amazing but also not that bad

[oak cosmos]

These hooligans can withstand my power maul

[frank ether]

could do without the crates but team was all psykers so I just greed ammo

[oak cosmos]

(They dont fall down from field)

[oak cosmos]

I know how that feels

Once had a dagger zealot and 2 psyker party

[frank ether]

I was testing deadshot bolter and how it feels with ammo econ

[atomic zephyr]

ive been having trouble not eating shit as a revolver/knife stealth vet, does anyone know some quick tips to...not die?

[oak cosmos]

So no one threw grenade

I was ogryn that game and had Ogpenheimer

Yes, I made Tertium into Japan in 1945

[novel moat]

Don't dodge like every .3 seconds.
Dodge when you need to, not because you can. I had to learn that the hard way. (Skull obliteration via Crusher.)

[atomic zephyr]

oh thats a good point

[oak cosmos]

Dodge when you hear wind sound

[atomic zephyr]

i got into the habit of spam slide dodging

[frank ledge]

Ammo usage wasn't that bad either

[oak cosmos]

That goes whoosh

[frank ledge]

[atomic zephyr]

yeah thats the melee from behind sfx?

[oak cosmos]

Yeah

[atomic zephyr]

the ol'bonk

[frank ether]

I had to kill a boss in there too

didnt want to wait for deadshot on boss

[oak cosmos]

You are small so you should have no problem dodging

[frank ether]

just magdumped

[nimble sentinel]

I got bored so I tried labeling bits of the tree, maybe this is useful idk

[frank ether]

trying to save a teammate

[oak cosmos]

Us ogryn still get hit after dodging

[frank ether]

they died anyways

[oak cosmos]

But its not an issue due to all the toughness and DR we get

We can take two shots from crusher and be perfectly fine

(Yes we block crusher attacks)

[novel moat]

Next thing: Make sure you are sticking with your team. If you use your speed and get into a crowd only you can get out of, it'll be harder to cover you when a special targets you.

[frank ether]

taking any kind of hit from crusher/mauler very not ideal on vet

esp overhead

[nimble sentinel]

forgot the auras

[frank ether]

but you dont want to get hit by other hits either because they spawn in packs and getting staggered means the others will likely hit overhead

[novel moat]

I've seen a lot of Vets (including me) Just get 100 - 0 in one crusher overhead.

They Hurt

[cerulean void]

so, exhilarating takedown is still bugged right?

[oak cosmos]

This

Very true

[patent valley]

how many % of brittle does supercharge 4 give per stack

[frank ether]

you can barely survive it with enough DR but not pleasant either way

[oak cosmos]

I cant remember how much Ogpenheimer I wasted to save field zealot or cloak vet

Except that zealot I met once

[stark hollow]

do i keep the left one or do i transfer surgical 4 to the right one

[oak cosmos]

She triggered every daemonhost we saw

But she one shotted every single one of them

[nimble sentinel]

I don't main revolver but I would take the right, wait for someone else to add input tho

[oak cosmos]

Right one

[cerulean void]

yeah the right one

[stark hollow]

crit bonus is a little low on right isnt it

[delicate moat]

You guys know the final section on Ascension Riser?

[oak cosmos]

Tbh blessing looks fine with the third keystone build

[oak cosmos]

Grab crystal and run?

[delicate moat]

Why do pub teammates dead on insist on holding in the dead center

[delicate moat]

yeah that

[oak cosmos]

Khorne worshippers

[delicate moat]

I typed in chat "pls hold in a corner so u don't get enemies from multiple sides" teammates proceed to hold in dead center

[cerulean void]

last stand go brrrrrr

[sour elbow]

I know that feel.

[novel moat]

Its fun

[delicate moat]

That center spot is awful, I had multiple wipes there

[oak cosmos]

I mean if you hold at corner you might get killed by random poxburster

[cerulean void]

we like to live a little sometimes tho

[delicate moat]

you don't need to hold like right next to a door

[oak cosmos]

The centre, where you press button right

[delicate moat]

yeah

[oak cosmos]

I mean, most people are lazy

And if your ogryn or zealot is decent you can hold there

[novel moat]

Anyone got any tips on building the Kantrael Combat Shotty?

[cerulean void]

open room means more room to move

[oak cosmos]

Tbh most people on pub considers veteran's entire purpose as toughness buffer and ammo supplier via survivalist buff

[delicate moat]

[oak cosmos]

I once played vet

Two zealot one psyker

I had lucius

[finite imp]

back on my knife grind

[oak cosmos]

And all the zealots had stub rev

And they took EVERY, SINGLE AMMO

[finite imp]

this is why survivalist is a must have. Stupidity

[oak cosmos]

like, why tf you complaining when you are taking all my job?

Give me ammo and Ill kill

[celest vine]

Zealots taking all the ammo only to miss

[oak cosmos]

I already have that XD

[celest vine]

[novel moat]

"You'd only misuse it."

[celest vine]

Whats worse is psykers taking ammo

[finite imp]

oh yeah watch this pulls out agri braced

[oak cosmos]

I myself is an ogrynplayer

[celest vine]

why the fuck do some psykers insist on guns their staffs are unlimited ammo?

[finite imp]

because psykers get the best gun rolls

[near sable]

all i hear is sneeding

[celest vine]

No you just have bad luck

[finite imp]

you trip over god rolls for vets all day long

[finite imp]

no such thing

[celest vine]

I have plenty

[stark hollow]

i swear i keep having to carry games while on no ammo as ogryn cause people somehow cant stand not having full ammo

[oak cosmos]

And I sincerely apologise for all people who have suffered from ogryns taking all the anmo and never taking their melee weapon out even when horde is coming

[celest vine]

See?

[near sable]

zealot guns:

veteran guns:

[celest vine]

Nah

You have bad luck

[near sable]

Nah

[nimble sentinel]

lasgun + shock trooper superiority

[finite imp]

see

[finite imp]

stats arent luck

[near sable]

post me your mkiv lasgun

[celest vine]

Bad luck

I dont use that toilet

[oak cosmos]

I just use whatever I have in my hand

[near sable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/369836244064272386/1108768132383920138/AAAAAA.gif

[celest vine]

It kills goof

Supression immunity means more hit shots

[near sable]

untrue

[oak cosmos]

Imagine having to consider damage which will one tap enemies

This post was made my heavy stubber and rippergun gang

[oak cosmos]

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/viktorbg-gif-25283495

[celest vine]

As an ogryn I dont use bullets

Shield bleeds for life

[near sable]

ogryn macrocannon when

[oak cosmos]

Shield makes the game unfun

[delicate moat]

vet needs a leash aura to hold pub teammates together

[near sable]

[celest vine]

It makes it unfun for snipers

[oak cosmos]

You can tank 4 mauler 3 crusher 3 gunner for 20 seconds and leave without a single scratch

[celest vine]

Outstanding then i can go revive the psyker who doesnt melee

[delicate moat]

i can handle them myself perfectly fine, but then a teammate could dodge into my position with a crusher overhead and suddenly i pancake

[cerulean void]

stance.exe is kinda shit?

[oak cosmos]

As an ogryn player we demand power fist and dual shield as our next weapon

[novel moat]

As an Ogryn and Vet player I NEED a Hotshot - Lasgun or LMG

There's one in the Artwork on Vets skill tree. I know they can do it.

Give it to us.

[oak cosmos]

I want a bolt pistol, sounds nice

Stub rev does the job but it lacks the feeling

[forest maple]

stub revolver is better than a bolter

which seems like a shame

[oak cosmos]

Bout volkite weapons XD

[oak cosmos]

Yes, but stub has one serious problem

IT IS NOT A BOLTER

[forest maple]

hahaha

Thats true

as fuck

[oak cosmos]

How do you use plasma gun

[near sable]

m1

[oak cosmos]

This thing is too hard to use even with my bone head enhancement

[near sable]

with blaze away n gits hot

[novel moat]

It's either High capacity Vet primary or dual wielding pistol and melee weapon

[nimble sentinel]

just click on their heads smh

[oak cosmos]

What do I m1

Big uns?

[near sable]

'im

[oak cosmos]

Ah ok

Use sword

[near sable]

im

[oak cosmos]

And plasma the big ones or armoured ones

Oh the gunners ok

It feels so sad when I cant one tap crusher with full charge plasma

This thing should melt everything

Even the marines

Even myself

[delicate moat]

[wanton dawn]

Oh, here is an interesting one: I did same amount of melee damage than a PS PC4/SL4 with 20% less target killed on a PC4/Sunder. I don't have a single melee node (+10% +5%). I guess I picked my target "better"

[gusty spire]

https://discord.gg/KpCC8Mw4 goin for redacted penences

[delicate moat]

im still trying to farm a sunder ps3

[wanton dawn]

Is grenade counted as melee damage or ranged damage ?

[oak cosmos]

Boom iz boom

[atomic zephyr]

ogryn triggered daemonhost, then got mad at me for rushing despite the fact the zealot and eventually psyker were with me

"spawn wouldnt have spawned if you werent rushing" i was going around the host, you numbskull

[cerulean void]

any build recommendations for the base pattern lasrifle?

[frank ether]

lol no its the proper thing to quickly go past dh so it despawns

camping in front of it is very ogryn IQ move

so fitting for an ogryn player lmao

[near sable]

ignore ranged crit damage

blessings are for funny crit ws

use whatever model of las you like

[frank ether]

crit damage and ranged weakspot damage gotta be the worst traits ever

[near sable]

tragically

[frank ether]

why dont they just combine those two and call it finesse increase and be done with it

or increase the values so its worthwhile

[near sable]

fs things

[frank ether]

ppl would care a lot less about crafting rng

if most of the blessing/perk table were somewhat competitive against each other

[novel moat]

What're the specs on that shotty?

[near sable]

left tree is curiously strong with shotguns

as you don't even need to ads to keep up your stacks

[gritty mirage]

hmmm this one or this one

[valid apex]

That one

[gritty mirage]

i see i see

[valid apex]

The one on the left sucks

[gritty mirage]

noted

yea the dmg annoys me so much lol

that and the stopping power

my search for a good perfect plasma continues

[valid apex]

Idk why you are even asking

[balmy terrace]

The left one is far worse stat wise lol, but they are amazingly similar

[valid apex]

The one on the right is objectively better.

Same rolls

[balmy terrace]

Methinks it was a joke

lol

[valid apex]

[balmy terrace]

You're practically there. Any upgrade beyond what you have will mean nothing compared to getting practice with the weapon

[gritty mirage]

i mean im in auric damnations so its already practice :v

the true practice is high shock auric in carnival

[valid apex]

I think you want flak as one of the perks.

[azure gale]

Does anyone know the best blessings for the autopistol? Looks super fun to use and looking to gamble all my darktide dollars to get a good one

[valid apex]

Or make sure you have a tree that gives you 2 shots max (uncharged) on each type

[gritty mirage]

i usually 2 shot the gunners or whatever so it should be fine

[valid apex]

I think it’s important to be able to 1 type gunners/shooters and be able to 2 tap everything else

[gritty mirage]

hmmm point taken

[valid apex]

Think that’s why flak has more value

[nimble sentinel]

did my mans brunt bless me this day?

[wanton dawn]

I have carapace locked and unyielding on mi plosma

Mostly for boss

[near sable]

[balmy terrace]

It deletes gunners with talents/keystones, and you can always do the apparently taboo thing of charging the damn weapon for a second lmao

[valid apex]

Unyielding for bossing definitely seems good. Though new twin blast could help substantially

[delicate estuary]

brunt is not the hard part, hadron is

[valid apex]

Heresy detected

[gritty mirage]

decent shotgun, now pray to the omnissiah hadron doesnt kark it up yea

[valid apex]

Not really. Save resources imo

[gritty mirage]

depends on how much they have and if its a side project for alternative weapons i suppose

[nimble sentinel]

I am perpetually low as I try to find a vet build I can carry using and without wanting to tear out my fingernails and play zealot

and also rolling the cacha for zealot weapons

[gritty mirage]

[nimble sentinel]

so which shotty is the one we're fooling around with I forget their names

[frank ether]

I'd say brunt is not amazing either

just like hadron designed to be a resource sink

we've been eating good with all the overpowered builds making aurics super easy

[gritty mirage]

a coin toss in pubs

[frank ether]

I also feel like maybe they stealth nerfed brunt drops or I'm tripping

[near sable]

the director:

[nimble sentinel]

they're all melee builds tho and I came here to shoot gun and eat corpse starch

[frank ether]

Last few patches have been buffing difficulty

so your odds of carrying a dumpster fire team is a lot lower

I guess depends a lot on build

some builds are still pretty busted

[delicate estuary]

I mean if you need mats

get a premade group

[gritty mirage]

yea the ai director knows when a person is away from the team for a few seconds now

[delicate estuary]

and speedrun T3s

can finish them faster than aurics anyways

[frank ether]

I barely get anything from T3s

[delicate estuary]

you can get 400 plasteel in like 10-15 minutes

[gritty mirage]

yea it depends on the group

pubs usually takes 25-35 minutes depending, premade groups can easily 20 minutes if you pace yourselves.

[narrow laurel]

what do i reroll here?

[gritty mirage]

oh not bad

hmmm fair enough

[narrow laurel]

Flak -> maniac, Gloryhunter -> blazeaway?

[nimble sentinel]

alright shotgun nerds how do I save this

[stuck crystal]

Blaze away seems kind of a waste on a weapon that oneshots a lot

[narrow laurel]

i used to, then i got into my volver arc and havent touched plasma in a while

if shattering is better then i might reroll this instead

[nimble sentinel]

Hey Alexa play The Wall by Pink Floyd

[timber ivy]

What's the general opinion on recon lasguns? I like "haha gun go brrrrrrt" and this combination of blessings is very entertaining to me.

[nimble sentinel]

they stealth nerfed how it crits, sadly you gotta put it in cold storage

[gritty mirage]

yea

and its stopping power is...uhhhh its not stopping 10 crushers lol

[timber ivy]

I took this thing into the grinder and it still seemed to vomit crits a lot.

[gusty sonnet]

To put it on perspective, recon lasgun headshot dps is similiar to autoguns bodyshot dps

[narrow laurel]

cool ok like this then

[nimble sentinel]

and it procs shock trooper once every like 10 shots at best

[timber ivy]

Sadness

[marsh condor]

Wait

Is there Infernus on Recon lasguns?

[gritty mirage]

i believe so

[timber ivy]

Well there is on this one

[marsh condor]

Then how many crit-based blessings do they have?

Specifically, the ones that improve critical chances

[timber ivy]

The main one I've seen is headhunter but I'm not an officianado. If I was I wouldn't be asking stuff.

[forest maple]

All you need is headhunter

[keen sedge]

which one should i switch out for rampage?

[forest maple]

if there are others, they pale in comparison

[timber ivy]

Is the damage per shot in any way mitigated by fire rate and the talent that lets it not consume ammo on crit?

Or am I grasping at straws for my pyromaniac lasgun?

[marsh condor]

What about Talents?

[keen sedge]

roger

[atomic zephyr]

motherfucker i was finally getting into the groove of stealth vet and then i crashed

wont even let me back into the game

[marsh condor]

Is it just me or does the Veteran still do not have any new unique weapons and variants-

Oh wait.

[keen sedge]

shovel exisiting

[marsh condor]

I forgot about the other Power Sword.

[balmy terrace]

Shouts, frag grenades, toughness regen on elite kill, and the focus target keystone make for an incredibly versatile build capable of doing nearly every team-role well and stay alive. An ideal carry-build

[marsh condor]

I said new

[atomic zephyr]

new uniques?

[marsh condor]

Like the Zealot's Crusher.

[atomic zephyr]

i dunno, out of everything i feel like our weapon choice is pretty good

[keen sedge]

said deez nuts

[atomic zephyr]

a one handed power maul would be neat

[devout atlas]

shovel being buffed is yanno, kind of a new weapon lmao

[marsh condor]

Ogryn

[atomic zephyr]

i know

[nimble sentinel]

been rocking the same but with kraks and lasgun + shock troop, I do want to try out some more variety

[atomic zephyr]

but i dont have an ogryn so

[devout atlas]

idm vet not having new melee I want new guns

[marsh condor]

What about riot gear?

[polar kraken]

best blessings on a devil’s claw?

[atomic zephyr]

we're not arbites, fat chance at riot gear

[marsh condor]

Lawbringer-type shotguns are their signature weapons.

Besides, there are Enforcers, aka discount Arbiters.

[atomic zephyr]

fair

[strange grove]

Best setup for Columnus mk5? Or is that gun not good anymore?

[balmy terrace]

Kraks are great if you're being beset by a crusher or two, otherwise I'd rather have a frag imo.

Power swords are an ideal pairing with lasguns as they give you some armour-penetration to go alongside your very reliable ranged. Otherwise the chainsword is pretty good (and has been since release tbh)

[night sparrow]

dropped falter - what do yall recommend changing on perks? i was thinking unarmored to something else but idk what breakpoints look like for helbores

[finite imp]

what damage type is best against gunners

specialists?

[night sparrow]

elites but i'm pretty sure both gunners have flak body armor

i think dregs have unarmored heads though

[finite imp]

ok

[stuck crystal]

Unarmoured to maniacs, I think

[balmy terrace]

Gunners are Flak, except dreg gunners who have unarmoured heads

[stuck crystal]

Mk3 has no problems onetapping gunners and such with headshots

[balmy terrace]

So if you're specifically building for gunners flak is probably your priority

[cerulean void]

is it just me or is exe stance a bit lacking now?

[balmy terrace]

This is a fair point, forgot we were talking about helbores lol

[balmy terrace]

Compared to the crowd control and survivability offered by shout? I'd say so

[strange grove]

not bad

[frank ether]

I dont think I've seen a single person use Agri HH in forever

to the point

I forgot the gun exists

[stuck crystal]

I never see HH anyway

HH autoguns are just longer and slightly shittier revolvers

[frank ether]

At least vraks arent terrible

[devout mist]

anything i should change on this?

[stuck crystal]

Crucian to Hand Cannon

[devout mist]

and ranged for damage vs elites to like maniac right

[stuck crystal]

Yeah probably. I'd check breakpoints

[devout mist]

i like the crit perk probs just gonna slap handcannon and maniac on it

yeah

ppreciate it

[karmic musk]

Whats this show

[merry oak]

Hammer and bolter cadia stands and old bale eye

[near sable]

auld bale oye

[merry oak]

Mans a certified legend

[frank ether]

I think its just down to how certain talents and blessings work tbh

[umbral scaffold]

The vraks semi auto is an amazing gun

Not a fan of burst guns in general

[tranquil basalt]

The graia full auto is op too.

Like its so jacked for no reason

[frank ether]

vraks 7 is the best one rn because you can just slap deadshot and have it consistently critting

[umbral scaffold]

We should nerf every weapon into unusability and then have the CMs tell us we just neeed to get better at the game

[frank ether]

I think if headhunter was %25 instead of %20 it could be huge for burst HHs

or maybe if crucian was better

Idk crucian kind of a meme

[stuck crystal]

Crucian was best when it affected melee crit

[umbral scaffold]

If you’re talking about crucian roulette then yes it should be the case

Incentivizes mixed fighting styles

[forest maple]

Crucian was insane before the nerf

especially on headhunters

[stuck crystal]

That's what it used to do

That's why zealots ran around with an empty revolver

[frank ether]

where is that incentivization for marksman lmao ranged finesse my ass

I'm totally not mad

[untold mulch]

I mean what did he expect using the expensive shot at 100% heat

ain't rocket science

[umbral scaffold]

I’ve tried making the plasma blow up on me in the meat grinder

[stuck crystal]

Bro rolled a 1

[umbral scaffold]

I didn’t know how people would just explode on accident

[viscid dome]

yeah its plasma fission science so alot harder

[untold mulch]

Needs to do the charged shot at 100%

You kinda asking for it

99% of itme

[umbral scaffold]

Yes I now know what to do when I’m about to get surrounded

[frank ether]

turn yourself into krak grenade

[cerulean void]

is it just me or is right tree keystone just better overall than going focus keystone?

[untold mulch]

Yes

[forest scaffold]

hmm

[stuck crystal]

For you personally? Yes

[forest scaffold]

poor stats

[umbral scaffold]

The traitors get suicide bombers it’s about time the emprah got his own splodey soldiers

[stuck crystal]

For the team? Depends

[forest scaffold]

I guess I'm only missing 10% damage

fuck it

I'll throw plasteel on it

thanks emprah

very kind

[frank ether]

uncanny 4 tho

[delicate moat]

for the love of the emperor do not bind ping to LMB

[frank ether]

slurp that

[untold mulch]

Also goddamn plasma gun vent confuses my brain

I am expecting a soemwhat flat rate of reduction

not based on how much I had

[umbral scaffold]

I spam ping but I could never bind it to lmb

[stuck crystal]

Bind ping to LMB and run Focus Target

[frank ether]

feel like doing that for focus target honestly

[stuck crystal]

Terrible idea

Focus Target lets you SPAM PING

[delicate moat]

thats what the vet did

[stuck crystal]

Just rebind ping to an easy to reach button that's not MMB

[delicate moat]

i too like getting CLICK CLICK CLICK 10 times a second

[frank ether]

I feel like middle click for enemy mark is a dogshit default bind

moved that to Q

[stuck crystal]

Mouse side button is a great option

I personally use Z

[frank ether]

side button is used for weapon alternate

and the other button for push to talk

so Q it is for me

[stuck crystal]

Q is weapon swap, side buttons are weapon special and nade

[umbral scaffold]

I have 2 side mouse buttons that I can use for weapon alt and ping

[stuck crystal]

I just charge my hellbore and ping what I'm shooting at while aiming/charging

Works like a charm

[atomic zephyr]

me finishing stealth vet run

https://tenor.com/view/i-get-it-omg-danny-devito-oh-my-god-gif-15873107

[untold mulch]

ITS BEAUTIFUL

[atomic zephyr]

popping steath to run in and ninja revive saved the run like three times

[stuck crystal]

Heresy Hi STG with a level 25 and 29, let's go

[untold mulch]

its so good

[atomic zephyr]

first time in a while ive felt like the carry

idk why people ever run off into the distance while stealthing, the support value is insane

[nocturne mulch]

Is there anyone with the spawner mod who could spawn a group of 8 ragers and then capture a video of how good devil claw parry spam is against them?

[atomic zephyr]

stab the big bads harassing your friends, literally so easy

[untold mulch]

I use it to get ap eak position to deal with all enemies taht are harrasing us

[nocturne mulch]

People on reddit aren't believing me that devil claw parry destroys rager hordes

[atomic zephyr]

that works too, but im using revolver so i try to conserve ammo

[delicate moat]

this is the THIRD LMB spammer i met today

thanks i hate it

[atomic zephyr]

the noob drip

[nocturne mulch]

I moved weapon swap to T and put tag on Q

[frank ether]

this looks better than a lot of stuff in cash shop lately

[atomic zephyr]

[frank ether]

Whoever is doing the penance armor stuff let them keep cooking

[stuck crystal]

Back to mission select because the level 25 thought pinging a DH meant 'ATTACK THIS'

[frank ether]

oh boi

[atomic zephyr]

LMAO

REAL AS FUCK

[frank ether]

this is why I bring shout ping

I had one that attacked two in a single game

guy aggro'd first DH, died

after getting revived went onto melee a second one

[stuck crystal]

Well, the Ogryn is still alive

[untold mulch]

Bruh

[stuck crystal]

But he has to go through an entire tunnel of crushers and bulwarks

I love the chaos of random pubs

[umbral scaffold]

I hate the cowards who’d let me die to a DH

[karmic musk]

We need voice lines when we ping to DO NOT ATTACK IT

[umbral scaffold]

When I’m the second one it aggros on after killing the first

[karmic musk]

Then you spam Ping on it ez

[stuck crystal]

I usually just try and nuke it anyway

[karmic musk]

Watches room temp iq goes in anyways

[merry oak]

Ive done it its funny

[stuck crystal]

If it's pulled it has to die

Headshots are easy when the first guy goes down

Can usually save the second

[umbral scaffold]

Yep exactly

Had a team run off on me after I fought the DH to a quarter of its health

[shell ginkgo]

[karmic musk]

Was a Psyker tanking it with Peril and dueling sword dodges, was like 2min before the team realised i wasnt dying and they could kill it

[fast scaffold]

If your team doesn't have the DPS, you are spending corruption hp and ammo, to potentially still lose that teammate, if it's in the middle of other problems, it's a rip bozo situation

[shell ginkgo]

Those aren't teammates, those are cowards for the firing line

[untold mulch]

There are some stupid people

[umbral scaffold]

The only reward for a coward is to live in fear another day

[fast scaffold]

I know that even if I'm the last one standing I have a decent chance of saving the mission, I don't know if ide say the same about some quick play bumpkins who aggro'd it in the first place. It targets the next closest person after killing the first, so I make sure that's not me.

[orchid nova]

So, does anyone actually like the old "keystones"/red talents that are still in the tree?

Personally I find them incredibly annoying

Just a huge tax that doesn't really benefit me

[untold mulch]

They are point tax

[orchid nova]

Esp since they got nerfed too

[shell ginkgo]

I'd prefer their un nerfed forms

[fast scaffold]

Left side is probably the only good one that leans into the build

[balmy terrace]

You could dump them and a lot of the operative buffs, and the skill tree would be much nicer to navigate

[untold mulch]

and it was nerfed ALOT

50 to 20

[balmy terrace]

Would help alleviate the whole point tax issue

[orchid nova]

Yeah

just measured

just going straight down costs vet 20 points

[fading grove]

I'm away from my computer. Does the right side tree with the weapon swap bonuses, do those bonuses time out or last until you finally swap weapons

[orchid nova]

Whereas psyker only pays 16

[tall torrent]

21 if u go middle

[untold mulch]

21 in one place

[orchid nova]

YUP

[tall torrent]

But

[untold mulch]

We are taxed to oblivion

[tall torrent]

Middle keystone is

Actually good

[orchid nova]

16 vs 21 is just

Ugh

[wise fossil]

Iirc you keep them till swap

[orchid nova]

And middle path is practically mandatory

[strange grove]

time to take this for a spin

[shell ginkgo]

Time to 1776 this guys

[strange grove]

in damnation as I only test new builds there

[untold mulch]

Isn't like a 5second timer?

[tall torrent]

Peak imperial guard experience where your home world has to pay tithes every year

[wise fossil]

What's the consensus on keystones? Seems to me like left key is meh while other two are okay

[orchid nova]

Competitive Urge, Rending Strikes, Iron Will, Tactical Awareness

[shell ginkgo]

I'm pushing these stimms into the harbor

[untold mulch]

[orchid nova]

They're all S-A tier

Other than For the Emperor and Born Leader, they're all golden

[wise fossil]

Yeah center tree has the good shit

[untold mulch]

No taxation without representation

Hellgun now

[balmy terrace]

Comp urge is skippable

Good, but skippable

[umbral scaffold]

Laslocking these bloody loyalists

[orchid nova]

It's near-permanent 20% damage most of the time

[umbral scaffold]

Because that’s what the chaos gods intended

[orchid nova]

It's skippable, but only because the investment to get it for anything but middle is so high

If it were anywhere else

It'd be a must-have

[fading grove]

Why is the columnus V liked so much over the other IAGs, also the emperor has only blessed me with decent braced versions, I like them ok. Anyone use them?

[tall torrent]

Left niche and needs a team that can deal with horde without u
Middle is good, strong and balanced on the fact that it costs like 24-25 points to make a decent build for it
Right is strong for revolver/shotgun and hybrid playstyle

[wise fossil]

Agri braced is meta

[orchid nova]

Left is uh

Left is good if you can land headshots and even then the keystone isn't really the main star

It's Shock Trooper and +25% ammo

[wise fossil]

Yeah right seems good for anything shortish range. What you said plus maybe recon

[tall torrent]

Recon is bad

[orchid nova]

+75% finesse power is nice but it's kinda situational

And the other benefit is uh

10% reload tops

[tall torrent]

Weapon specialist’s +crit chance for ranged weapon is only for the first shot

[sharp ember]

because dumdum builds per shot so it gets the massive damage boost the fastest and most efficiently

[untold mulch]

Also pretty much most console player is useless

[orchid nova]

Isn't it also only 3%?

[untold mulch]

to use it

[tropic imp]

First 2 shots on laspistol for some reason

[balmy terrace]

It's fast enough to justify the relatively low damage. Pair it with rending stacks in the right tree and it shreds

The graia used to be my favourite, but it doesn't fire fast enough compared to the Columnus to justify the slightly higher damage

[untold mulch]

Never noticed

[orchid nova]

Wait, does aim assist not go for the head lmao

[untold mulch]

Laspistol crits are 2 in a row

[tall torrent]

It’s first shot or chain

[orchid nova]

IIRC finesse power also affects crits

[untold mulch]

Hmm, never thought, then it may be better for them?

[tropic imp]

Gotcha didnt know

[untold mulch]

But only stacks with weakspots

if it could stack with crit kills

[orchid nova]

So it's +75% for Crit Recon builds if you can headshot

[untold mulch]

I karking wish

[orchid nova]

l m a o

TBF if you pick a Brrauto or recon,

[untold mulch]

And even then, is just meh

[orchid nova]

and just spray the head with a columnus

[untold mulch]

for Recon

[orchid nova]

it doesn't fall off

[tall torrent]

And somehow still gets lower dps than mk5 IAG bodyshots

[orchid nova]

like

1s of no decay for a random headshot, non-kill

[orchid nova]

Good. It's a bullpup

[untold mulch]

Only fatshark to make a marksman keystone

[orchid nova]

It deserves to suffer

[untold mulch]

that full auto magdump

is best

[orchid nova]

EYUP

[untold mulch]

[orchid nova]

if you had a ripper gun,

somehow

[untold mulch]

I will bullpup a bolter

[orchid nova]

It'd be Best in slot with the keystone lmao

like

[untold mulch]

I swear to emperor

[orchid nova]

no joke

[hearty panther]

i mean the big issue is that exhil takedown is still bugged

you arent really rewarded appriopriately for going full headshot marksman

[orchid nova]

Because triggering on "hits a head" is dumb as fuck

[sharp ember]

i want to use it so bad

[hearty panther]

so we're all compensating

which sucks

[shell ginkgo]

Say no more fam

[orchid nova]

Hey,

[untold mulch]

I wanted to leave the threat

[shell ginkgo]

We do not leave threats open. We act on them

[orchid nova]

You forgot the obligatory stupid bullpup side ejection port

[shell ginkgo]

😤

[orchid nova]

that blows hot brass into your face

[hearty panther]

but also the reason the columnus is still so stronk is because it did not get its crit chains nerfed

[orchid nova]

and then the gun explodes

[sharp ember]

i was flabbergasted when ET wasn't one of the things they fixed in that hotfix

[hearty panther]

expect that to happen soon

[untold mulch]

Imagine being left handed

smh

[orchid nova]

All guns in fiction are left handed

[hearty panther]

all cryptids are trans

[shell ginkgo]

Tbh, with that bolter you're first concerned shouldn't be where the spent casings go

[orchid nova]

True

[tall torrent]

Honestly though exhilarating takedown once fixed kinda sounds better than confirmed kill for sharpshooter style guns now

[shell ginkgo]

It's how the fuck do they get there

[untold mulch]

also, I saw today the Keltec bullpup taking a page of P90 making the casings fall down

[orchid nova]

The same way any other bullpup

[shell ginkgo]

Look at that shit

[hearty panther]

that's because it is, lol

30% TDR is baked into it

[left zephyr]

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[orchid nova]

Via an overconvoluted and fragile process that jams 3 times for every bullet it fires

[untold mulch]

Laspistol with shocktrooper is silly

I can shoot all match

[shell ginkgo]

There's no way a bolt round fits in that tiny connecting piece

[hearty panther]

pair that with the 25/37.5% toughness regen bonus the marksman tree can get

and like, damn, sure would be fucking nice if exhil takedown worked

[orchid nova]

There's no way a trigger assembly fits in there either

That's bullpups for you

[left zephyr]

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[shell ginkgo]

[orchid nova]

Frankly it's only slightly less practical than the AUG

[untold mulch]

I am maining it

Until Recon fixed or Hellgun drops

Sooo, I will be old and frail by then

[shell ginkgo]

Recon does good damage

[untold mulch]

with an awfully restrictive talent tax

and eating all ammo

[shell ginkgo]

You're just using a hellgun without a backpack

[left zephyr]

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[shell ginkgo]

Very canon

[orchid nova]

Personally

I just don't take keystones

My keystone is I spam grenades

[shell ginkgo]

[untold mulch]

Is slighly better for VId now

still you are deliberaly nerfing yourself

Laspistol with fullauto mod is a better one

[shell ginkgo]

Someone posted a video earlier with the keystone melting crushers again with it

[untold mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174487807511773224/image.png?ex=6567c602&is=65555102&hm=8b97509a791731212e5be4698a6a194734f5f93cb9912c7ba3479599925771b1&

[orchid nova]

My whole build

[untold mulch]

What the "keystone patch" does to a mf

[orchid nova]

My Keystone is double frags

Y'know they should just make Demolition Team a keystone lmao

Straight up

so it has the power budget to do what old demo team did

[untold mulch]

FR

[left zephyr]

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[wise fossil]

Honestly any agri brauto with decent base stats will do you fine for a while

[orchid nova]

yeah

Brrautos are busted rn

They're basically heavy stubbers with good accuracy and no sluggishness right now

and higher dps too

[untold mulch]

Columnus and Agri are good

Though good luck hitting crap

[wise fossil]

Gotta remember to not brace with agri brauto

[left zephyr]

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[wise fossil]

Braced autogun

[left zephyr]

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[untold mulch]

Brauto

[orchid nova]

THey go Brrrrrrr

[polar breach]

How do you get a full auto mod?

Just lucky draw instead of a flashlight?

[shell ginkgo]

Mods

[polar breach]

Ah.

Guess I'll pass then lol

[shell ginkgo]

Save your finger. FullAuto mod.

[polar breach]

Despite laspistol being basically my favorite vet gun

[karmic musk]

Sees low level Veteran with Recon Lasgun
Starts praying to the Emperor you can snag the ammo faster

[shell ginkgo]

Do they have the ammo aura at least?

[karmic musk]

Welp with the way they were spraying, it wouldn't matter

[shell ginkgo]

Ammo race simulator

Had a friend bring a braced autogun into a No ammo mission and neither of us were running ammo aura

He kept spraying into hordes and was out like 10 minutes in

[midnight patrol]

Huh. Lawbringer shotgun can truly do funny work on Damnation with the marksman keystones.

You just load the duck duckbill spread shot shell and click at head level

[orchid nova]

Morksmon

I love how the absolute most scuffed nonsense is marksman now

[midnight patrol]

And it'll delete even the heavier elites, especially if you run fletchette

[midnight patrol]

I came across a lvl 16 Vet using a bolter on full auto constantly in Damnation just only.

[orchid nova]

I saw a vet using bolter on hordes

[midnight patrol]

Thank God I was faster at sprinting lmao

[orchid nova]

literally yesterday

Luckily, I was using grenade build

and didn't care about my gun anyways

[midnight patrol]

Also shotguns seem to do a surprising amount of damage on bosses

It was keeping up with damage numbers my Columnus mkV dishes out with very specific perks

[untold mulch]

If you in pc, I heavily recommend it. But you do you

[orchid nova]

You can mod xbox too

it's harder

but you can

[untold mulch]

Fullauto mod name should be Carpal Tunnel saver

[polar breach]

Hm, full auto mod seems like it falls within fatsharks mod policy I guess.

[orchid nova]

It's basically autoclicker

[midnight patrol]

A must with laspistol and mkIV lasgun

[untold mulch]

Its basically just click once

Like the fact that is not baked ingame is stupid

[orchid nova]

The kinds of guns they don't have full auto on rn is mindboggling

[polar breach]

No, the fact that it's not baked in is fatshark.
Which is synonymous for stupid sometimes

[untold mulch]

Single shot click should be for helbore/mg12 rate of fire

IV/Laspistol WITHOUT Autoclicker should be ocnsiderd a health hazard

[midnight patrol]

MG IV infantry lasgun not being a full auto is hilarious

[untold mulch]

[midnight patrol]

It's like Fatshark wants to get sued for medical damages lol

[untold mulch]

Fr

[polar breach]

How does the full auto work with the hellbore? It says firing a full charged shot, but then isn't it just the kantrael 12 but better? Or is it a slower RoF to accommodate for the "charge"

[orchid nova]

They still haven't fixed crosshair size btw

it's still busted on other FoVs without the mod

[untold mulch]

Fullauto mod doesn't activates for Helbore

[orchid nova]

I think it does now if you opt into it

[untold mulch]

Oh?

[polar breach]

The mod now features the ability to automatically fire fully-charged shots from the Helbore lasgun and the various Psyker staffs.

[midnight patrol]

. W.

I need lol

[polar breach]

Which I think would be a better way to do the hellbore

[untold mulch]

I need to update my mods

[polar breach]

Make it a much slower RoF for a lasgun, to offset the extra power

[midnight patrol]

Yeah now I'm actually interested proper too

[polar breach]

But I don't know how it works, I just read it

[midnight patrol]

The thing is the uncharged fire can be a bit viable on a high rolled mk1 Helbore

164 damage can hit some breakpoints with marksman tree

So you quickly click on trash shooters, charge for elites

[polar breach]

I mean I think the charge on a hellbore is goofy

Should just be a slower, harder hitting lasgun.

Isn't that what a hotshot Las is?

[midnight patrol]

How the fuck dod you do that with a revolver lmao

[gray finch]

rending on crit

[untold mulch]

Fatshark has kinda karked up making Lucius hit so hard

[midnight patrol]

No no I mean. You killed that many. With a Revolver.

Which is deffo not an add clear kinda gun

[untold mulch]

Lucius 3 at fullcharge is kinda hitting like a Hotshot for some reason

[polar breach]

Which one is the lucius?

[untold mulch]

At least better hope for a full auto hellgun

[midnight patrol]

The mk3 has improved finesse over the mk1 or something?

[untold mulch]

Just does a shit ton of damage

[polar breach]

Only ever really used a kantrael, recon, laspistol and revolver lol

[untold mulch]

Helbore

The charge one

[midnight patrol]

All the Helbores are Lucius patterns

[untold mulch]

Lucius pattern

Helbore looks like a nickname?

[polar breach]

But that's my point. It seems like the hellbore is just a hotshot las

[untold mulch]

ye, but it shouldn't

[midnight patrol]

Hmm, off the top of my head the difference between the mk1 and 3 didn't seem that much but I'll take your word on it!

[strange grove]

wow the columnus iag is great, is the braced good too or no?

[midnight patrol]

IAG is far superior

Mainly due to the ability to ADS

The braced is.. Horrible accuracy wise

[strange grove]

Braced is probably meant to stagger and wreck swarms of ragers and armor I think?

[untold mulch]

Just did a quick test, so shift the numbers up and down a bit

Mk1 6 headshots for a crusher
Mk3 3

[midnight patrol]

You just hols down the mouse button on the IAG one and reign in that recoil

[midnight patrol]

Lmao it's twice as effective

That's nuts

[untold mulch]

In exchange a lot more ammo and shoots considerably slower

[lean light]

You guys are using guns?

Just use power swords and shovels lol

[untold mulch]

as much as Fatshark doesn't want to

I refuse to abandon my lasguns

[midnight patrol]

Am a boolet Vet for the most part on my end

[lean light]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-gif-21644488

[untold mulch]

Then we are enemies 🗿

[midnight patrol]

Punchy headhunter mk7 headclicker sim .w.

[lean light]

Kantrael lasgun gang

[untold mulch]

I would use Mk3 Lucius more but the bayonet hurts me

[polar breach]

Give it a whirl with the full auto mod and tell me how it works with the helbore lol

[midnight patrol]

The fact that I can reliably one tap headshot at 5 to 50 meters at 3 rounds a second is extra funny

[untold mulch]

BAYONET SHOULD BE STAB

[untold mulch]

It shouldn't change the shots to kill

which was the important bit

also, I don't use lucius excerpt for memeing around

[midnight patrol]

I've killed squads of 6 to 7 scab gunners at speeds I can only dream of with a Kant mk12 or MG1a

[polar breach]

Yeah but I'm curious how it works. Like is it just a stronger kantrael, with a slower RoF?

[untold mulch]

too slow

[lean light]

Bayonet charge mfs when I start hitting them over the head with my bagonet

(what am I doing)

[midnight patrol]

A stronger Kant mk12 with a surprising amount of cleave

[untold mulch]

I would say you aim worse because you fire at end of charge nad not when YOU want to

[midnight patrol]

The cleave of the Lucius patterns are all quite funny

[polar breach]

Right but the full auto mod says it fires a charged shot

[midnight patrol]

You can literally railgun through entire hordes of poxes

[untold mulch]

Still needs to charge it?

[polar breach]

So does it bypass the charge time and just exchange it for slow RoF?

I haven't tried it

[untold mulch]

Nah, it would just shoot automatically when charge is full

doens't need to release

[midnight patrol]

Well you have the mod updated so give it a go man lol

[polar breach]

But that seems dumb lol

[untold mulch]

so you would have a delay in your first shot

[untold mulch]

Imo, agreed

[polar breach]

I'm at work, don't have the mod

[untold mulch]

I wouldn't use it

[lean light]

Where power cycle

[untold mulch]

Overall I recommen for everything like Ia above in ROF

to have FullAuto used

[kind musk]

Which one would you guys pick from these two?

[untold mulch]

Stopping power of first is not geat but having both maniacs and flak is good

Idk how much damage you lose iun that 7% stopping power

[bright coyote]

id keep rampage but i think u could go either way

[wooden oar]

What's people's opinion on marksman focus keystone?

[bright coyote]

maybe I'm noob but i hate the movement restriction so i dont use it

[untold mulch]

For some people is great

for some is basically worthless or decrimental

[kind musk]

Why that one?

[untold mulch]

Imo, I am in second camp, is a bad talent for the majority

[mystic belfry]

Marksman depends on weapon

[untold mulch]

Works better with fullauto

which is hilarious to me

Marksman keystone is better when you magdump

[mystic belfry]

There’s a few non auto it works for tbh

[untold mulch]

Yeah, but it still isn't great

[mystic belfry]

But yeah

[untold mulch]

Overall, imo everyone involved in marksman focus

kinda missed the point

[mystic belfry]

Yes

They tried to make sniper stacking like zero has in borderlands 2

But this ain’t it

[untold mulch]

If they wanted to make a "sniper" keystone

Easy

[kind musk]

You mean the left one then, not the right

[untold mulch]

Stacks for weak spot hits

Lose stacks when body shot/miss

thats it

[wooden oar]

Does focus target still apply if you one shot an enemy? For example with ''Target down'' If you one tap a enemy does it proc the toughness and stamina gain?

[quick burrow]

Why didnt they just make it stack on weakspot his lose stacks on weakspot misses not movement

[untold mulch]

Ask them

[mystic belfry]

Target down procs when anyone kills an enemy you marked

[kind musk]

Directionally challenged 😁

[mystic belfry]

This doesn’t work, because they designed capstone to work with different weapons

That would make it basically impossible to use with things like machine pistol or a shotgun

[untold mulch]

Then, the crabwalk node should have been "you don't lose stacks while moving and aiming"

"secondary action" better

[mystic belfry]

You can move around a good bit mid horde

You just lose stacks when progressing the map

[untold mulch]

I mean, I don't shoot at horde

Entire game ask me to conserve ammo and shoot important targets

Keystone ask me to waste ammo just to keep stacks

Overall, imo terrible design

[mystic belfry]

You don’t spray into the horde, you kill the high priorities in it

[untold mulch]

Idk about you, I blinked and lost pretty much all stacks

[mystic belfry]

I’m not saying I like the design, but it does work

[untold mulch]

It can work all it wants

If for most it feels terrible, you as game designer, failed

simple as

[timber ivy]

While this is true, it's not like the game doesn't have skill paths meant to clearly favor certain weapons.
Also they could probably do the Payday 2 thing with shotguns and make it so things only proc once per volley instead of every pellet.

[mystic belfry]

Marksman also favors weapons

[hollow linden]

damnit hadron. i should prob swap out volatile for something better yeah?

[mystic belfry]

But it doesn’t make some near impossible to use like losing stacks on body shot or miss would

[untold mulch]

gets hot, I believe

[mystic belfry]

I’d probably swap glory hunter

[hollow linden]

oh okay heard, the toughness regen not as good as the charge speed then?

[timber ivy]

Yeah, I'm not sure how I fully feel about the left keystones yet. I had gotten used to using a lasgun that set things on fire and I was used to letting that kill off a lot of specials but now the DoT don't get me stacks.

[hollow linden]

that's what i was thinking too ty. appreciate it

[mystic belfry]

Pretty much. Neither is ideal, but one helps more

[hollow linden]

alright agreed then. wasn't great perks either unyielding was good but it also had %20 sprint lel

[timber ivy]

What does rending even do? I feel like I can go without that keystone.

[devout atlas]

fuck it bro im tacaxe melee building rn

[mystic belfry]

Guy in psyker chat telling me mk4 claw is bad armor damage because he can’t test parry in psykanium 🤔

[untold mulch]

it reduces armor reduction

[mystic belfry]

You can go without that node

[untold mulch]

flak and carapace enemies will receive more damage in practical terms

[timber ivy]

Is a whole 10% gonna make or break any given interaction with armor though

[timber ivy]

Guess that answers that

[untold mulch]

depends on your weapon

[devout atlas]

That's not quite how Rending works

[untold mulch]

yeah, is a bit more complicated

[devout atlas]

10% rending can be huge or quite minor depending on what weapon

[mystic belfry]

Tac axe is aight, but I only use it on martyr zealot

[devout atlas]

Basically lets say your weapon only does 5% of its normal damage to carapace

[timber ivy]

Recon Lasgun but that is likely to change given when I got from this chat earlier

[devout atlas]

10% rending makes it do 15%

thats 3x the damage

[mystic belfry]

Take that node if you run recon

[devout atlas]

It can help a lot of guns but mainly Recon and Columnus IAG

it also affects your melee which is nice

[timber ivy]

Yeah I don't think Marksman focus is gonna help much in melee

[devout atlas]

I was thinking of Rending Strikes mb

I literally just joined in the convo lol

Yeah you only rlly want the 10% rend on a lasgun marksman build

[devout atlas]

I managed to make a not scuffed build that can take the Mk 2 tacaxe heavies into killing all horde including bruisers in 1 headshot always triggering BM

gonna try it out on Damn a few runs and if its good I'll take it on a Maelstrum

[mystic belfry]

The good news in you can run anything on auric

[devout atlas]

any reason or

[mystic belfry]

Tac axe just has some problems without sizable boosts

Make sure you have a good armor damage gun

[devout atlas]

rending revy so I'm alr

it's a melee Vet build so rending revy or plasma is a staple :P

surprisingly it can handle Crushers alright, not a DPS leader but 800~ with free stuns is workable

then again revy just deletes

[terse idol]

you need gets hot and blaze

[mystic belfry]

The special is a saving grace

[terse idol]

And... well, maybe Carapace and Flak?

Could you do with maniac...

[deep igloo]

LEFT

[hollow linden]

that would be ideal fml

[terse idol]

soooo

[devout atlas]

left but I'm unsure about that Infernus lol

[mystic belfry]

Plasma blessings arent nearly as important as a lot of guns

[terse idol]

You coudl swap glory hunter for....

[kind musk]

I like infernus, but I can swap that out to pretty much anything

[devout atlas]

I recommend this

[terse idol]

Gets hot?

Try to salvage it best you caan

[devout atlas]

Gets hot fucks a lot actually

[mystic belfry]

It’s nice

[devout atlas]

cus you can play on max heat very safely

[terse idol]

It would kinda go well with volatile

[forest blaze]

It sure does

[devout atlas]

cap to 100%, tap special, charge a full shot

lots of crits

[forest blaze]

I’ve been thinking of switching from focus target to weapon specialist with plasma. On AM, there’s tons of situations where there’s just massive amounts of hordes and having that auto reload and melee buffs plays really well

Focus target is absolutely ridiculous against monstrosities and the toughness regen for the whole party is clutch af…. But having your plasma topped off at all times and having really good melee buffs?

[devout atlas]

Plasma has such a big ass mag tho

[forest blaze]

If you keep swapping at 10 stacks, you’ll restore about 10 ammo per swap

[devout atlas]

I think too many people are force cooling it with reloads, you can special cool it very easily

I forgor how much 10 ammo is for plasma, like 2 charged shots?

[orchid nova]

Reload-cooling is fine if you have downtime

But that's about it

[devout atlas]

ye

[orchid nova]

It's a downtime thing

[forest blaze]

Yah it’s about 1-2 charged shots but it’s like 3 regular shots

[orchid nova]

You're out for 10s in total

[devout atlas]

I don't bother stacking reload on Plasma anymore

[devout atlas]

that's actually quite decent

[forest blaze]

Yah

[tall torrent]

Regular is 3/shot
Charged is 9/shot

[devout atlas]

huh nice

[forest blaze]

And you can stack super fast with PS

[devout atlas]

Yeah fuck it go for it

idk abt PS cus that dodge dookie

but thats just me

[orchid nova]

It's great

[tall torrent]

Charged is very situational, u don’t want to shoot it unless you’re fighting a bunch of elites grouped up