veteran-class

[finite imp]

Your team sucks

And your fucked

[delicate estuary]

I wish chainaxe was as good as the mauler shitter

[nimble sentinel]

quick Q: can you parry the crusher OHK overhead attack?

[finite imp]

Yes

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[finite imp]

You can parry anything you can block

Which is just about everything

Except like

Fire

Bullets

Dogs

An 18 MAULAZ HELP ME UP

[molten dew]

is there a scoreboard plugin that can track accuracy?

wanna try getting that penance and just wondering if there was something that might help know when i need to pick up ammo to help my %

[delicate estuary]

you can parry 18 maulers

didnt you know

its called exit mission

[finite imp]

That's my favorite node

Behold azreal

He's like a vet scientist

I wouldn't accept drinks from him. But he's got good knowledge

One thing I'll tell you that video one

[midnight patio]

you can parry anything that doesn't put you into a stun (and gunfire)

[finite imp]

Wont

When you go to parry

[midnight patio]

so mutant grabs, dog pounces

[finite imp]

Parry the arms carrying the weapon

[midnight patio]

chaos spawn grabs

[finite imp]

Not the weapon

[whole moon]

Does the parry do a portion of their damage back to them?

[finite imp]

If that makes sense

[midnight patio]

nah

its just is a massive damage boost

[finite imp]

IT DOES MASSIVE DAMAGE

[sleek cairn]

how did u resist not doing the followup. it's like ingrained into my system

[ruby totem]

The best parry is a plasma round to the forehead

[nimble sentinel]

Y'ALL ARE STARS

CAPS LOC KMY B IM IN A GAME

[whole moon]

I must be missing heads as it was doing less than a quarter damage when I was pulling it off

[finite imp]

3k to the fucking noggin when you're a zerker is good fucking night

[midnight patio]

so yes you can parry chain a monstrosity if you're good enough

and take 0 damage

[finite imp]

I've done it before and people looked at meike what the fuck

Yeah you can 1v1 a monster with a dc

If you know it's animations you're fine

It's about studying when his hitboxes become ouchies hitboxes

[delicate estuary]

which axe

[midnight patio]

ever since the parry damage buff i've been loving the claw again

[finite imp]

I know I'm just saying a dc is a good way to learn

For bosses I prefer just bleed stacks on knife

[midnight patio]

i am personally a fan of staggerlocking them with a bully club

[finite imp]

The damage keeps following them even when the boss realizes it's not going to get shit out of you

And tries to focus on your teammates

Its too late to sun mister I already opened the Bleed

Run

[whole moon]

I can see I'm gonna need to finish my DClaw training. Admittedly I lost a lot of interest when Crab left.

[delicate estuary]

I doubt the perma stagger with slaps will remain in the game for long

[finite imp]

Become the samurai you never knew you were

[delicate estuary]

although

its extremely funny to see a daemonhost

get bitch slapped

[finite imp]

Bonk

Bonk

Bonk

Into a corner

[whole moon]

This should be ok yeah?

[midnight patio]

i'll enjoy it while I have it, i don't need to use the shovel for it anymore

[whole moon]

Oh shit wrong one

[daring nest]

Quick question: is grenadier tinkerer useless with krak grenade? I'm trying out in the psykhanium and I can still one shot maulers without it.

[finite imp]

Dude it's a meta sword of course that's gonna be fine

Brother

[delicate estuary]

fight back fight abck

[finite imp]

Just run into damnation with greys and no talent points spent

[lost shadow]

there's no wait to store a loadout?

[finite imp]

Free yourself

[whole moon]

Thought that was the wrong mark cat? Here's the one I thought was the good one

[hearty panther]

@formal lake do you happen to know if reduced sprint cost and sprint efficiency are two different effects or the same shit worded differently

[finite imp]

Lower end point buy but a good dump on mobi none the less.

Both swords are fine

[whole moon]

Cool, thanks Sunrise, I'll hit up Psyk tomorrow and practice

[finite imp]

The performance will be marginally different

Remember that the best blessings are ones that fit your playstyle

[terse idol]

Well

Barring the meta blessings

[finite imp]

Don't just go around slapping dum dum and fire frenzy

[terse idol]

I mean ahh, that's fair

[delicate estuary]

is the psychanium a local host

or do you still get the normal ping

[finite imp]

Get outta here you fun goblin

Don't make me throw peanuts at you

[delicate estuary]

I love running the hipfire while sprinting on staves

its extremely useful

[keen sedge]

can i get opinions on what is the worst gun and melee for vet so i can use them

[finite imp]

Okay look

[delicate estuary]

recon with chainaxe

[vague hull]

if only you could rmb during those, it'd actually be sick

[delicate estuary]

there you go

[finite imp]

If your playstyle is LOSE ON PURPOSE

Then yeah

ah yes my TROLL BUILD

[keen sedge]

Wait is chainaxe bad i never used it since chainsword exists

[midnight patio]

krak grenades mulch anything under monstrosity level, so it's only if you want the monstrosity chunking capabilities

[delicate estuary]

yes

[finite imp]

I always use kraks

[finite imp]

The burst damage answers so many things

[finite imp]

Dude

[vague hull]

i been told it'd good for the aoe around the nade to kill multiple crushers

[topaz lance]

My playstyle is smoke grenades with all of the grenade nodes

[finite imp]

You have a rubber chicken

[untold mulch]

Oh god wtf is that

[keen sedge]

Wtf is that gun I never seen that shit before

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/goblinbailando-gif-18392272

[delicate estuary]

man I need a fun braindead build with shout that is not plasma

[delicate estuary]

might need to cook up something colomnus

[whole moon]

Aaah the Sugma. Yeah hard to find, especially the Mk 420

[finite imp]

I think I'm gonna blow a gasket

[delicate estuary]

thats the hellbore with the weapon customization mod

homie cooked up

[finite imp]

"deadly accurate"

[delicate estuary]

something weird

[finite imp]

Lmfao

[whole moon]

I tried to consecrate my starting weapons but it won't let you so I did my lvl.2 weps instead

[keen sedge]

Can someone dm me to mod so I can download it after work

[topaz lance]

Those Sugma blessings look good though!

[delicate estuary]

go to DT modders discord

[finite imp]

Bro it's the ligma autogun

[whole moon]

I still haven't taken them out but was curious how bad a 'good' weapon can be. That's Sugma

Or how good a bad weapon...

[finite imp]

Can't believe you never heard of sugma autoguns

[topaz lance]

It's the weapon types they're adding in part 2

[keen sedge]

Opinions on the columnus autogun cuz I use it a lot

[topaz lance]

vet exclusive too

[delicate estuary]

my opinion is yes

colomnus is good

and might get the recon treatment

[keen sedge]

which gun is recon again i barely use any guns besides columnus, helborne and plasma

[delicate estuary]

recon is the equivalent of the colomnus in gameplay minus the efficiency

[keen sedge]

Is it that famas looking las gun?

[delicate estuary]

yes

[keen sedge]

Ok yeah I remember trying it in meat grinder

Its like colmnus

But painfully low damage

[delicate estuary]

just click head

[tall torrent]

recon headshot dps is somehow still lower than columnus bodyshot

[keen sedge]

My dogshit aim of just shooting at the enemy anywhere but the head

[brisk umbra]

what's the good axe? tac axe 2?

[tall torrent]

combat axe 2, 5, 8
tac axe 7
haven't tried tac axe 2 so can't comment

[delicate estuary]

hellbore player makes sense jk hellbore is fun

if you want to get better at headshots try MGIA or MG12

[tall torrent]

if u want to get better at headshots u pull out mk3 / mk7 headhunter

[delicate estuary]

those work as well

same principle as MGIA and MG12

[keen sedge]

I use helborne for two reasons:
Good damage
Bayonet being better than my own melee at times

[nimble sentinel]

if you want to get better at headshots, use hellbore mk 2 exclusively with an unmodded client for a month

[umbral scaffold]

Mayonet

[nimble sentinel]

in time you will aim by vibes above sight

[keen sedge]

Bayonet + focus target = 2 shot 2/3 ogryn types

[delicate estuary]

fairly certain mk2 still body shot one shots stuff no ?

[umbral scaffold]

Fuck the helbore sights ngl

[tall torrent]

idk how the bayonet gets to infinite stagger ragers cuz that is crazy

[nimble sentinel]

not the big bois with big heads, and once you can aim reliably for them the smaller heads get easier too

[whole moon]

My advice for improving w headshots is install the weapon customisation mod and fit a reflex sight. Obv doesn't apply to weapons already with reflex sights

[delicate estuary]

yea but those are the exception rather than the rule

[vagrant narwhal]

been using helbore mk1, feels so much better than the 3 ngl bayonet is actually usefull against ragers and bounch of other shit

[brisk umbra]

what blessing do you use?

[nimble sentinel]

all I know is it worked for me

[umbral scaffold]

Helbore 1 is goateded

[nimble sentinel]

enough damage to be forgiving, enough reward to be worth the attempt

[keen sedge]

I prefer the helborne 2

[tall torrent]

combat axe 2
brutal momentum + headtaker

combat axe 5
brutal momentum + headtaker

combat axe 8
brutal momentum + headtaker/all or nothing

tac axe 7
brutal momentum + headtaker/shred (shred gets u smth like 50% melee crit chance if u build commando)

[nimble sentinel]

that there exist valid arguments for all 3 hellbores makes me so happy

[grand sable]

swap flak > carapace or
fire frenzy > no respite

[vagrant narwhal]

only issue I have with it is it shoots a lil too fast so I can't take full advantadge of stuff like surgical

there are other options sure but yeah I like surgical

[heavy birch]

bayonet slot is only cosmetic

[civic knot]

what part do I need to replace to use the bayonet on this gun? its not on there by default and this is using the weapon customization mod

[delicate estuary]

spams it twice

[vagrant narwhal]

special and bayonet to none (I mean is cosmetic once you add special attachment)

[umbral scaffold]

Penis

[whole moon]

Which is the one that drops all stacks on a missed attack?

[civic knot]

ah

wait why no bayonet

[vagrant narwhal]

nah no reason really, forget its only cosmetic since I enjoy using the bayonets on my guns

[civic knot]

what is the special called??

[whole moon]

Thanks!

[vagrant narwhal]

special slot XD

all of those are lanters or of the like

which in turn give you that as the special function

[civic knot]

dude i cant find bayonet there

[midnight mortar]

If you're trying to be able to use the bayonet special action on a gun that isn't a Helbore, I'm not sure if that's possible since that'd be more than just a client side change.

[vagrant narwhal]

these are for lanterns

[vagrant narwhal]

yeah

[midnight mortar]

You can swap to flashlights.

You can't swap in a bayonet.

[vagrant narwhal]

only the ones which first come with bayonets can use them

otherwise only cosmetic

[midnight mortar]

A bayonet would be dealing damage and interacting with enemies directly. That's more than just a client side interaction on a weapon.

Only the Helbores can use bayonets.

[vagrant narwhal]

I think there is an autorifle which can too? or am I suffering frmo brain rot

[keen sedge]

What does finesse even do

[forest scaffold]

[midnight mortar]

Inspect a weapon that has it listed as a stat bar and it'll show you.

Attack speed is also affected.

[forest scaffold]

It changes weapon to weapon

Ogryn Bully Clubs for example, it only affects attack speed

[topaz lance]

what weapons are you using with this setup? Wild!

[forest scaffold]

None of the stat modifiers are "truly" the same from weapon to weapon

[whole moon]

They do seem to have an issue with standard nomenclature

They aren't a native English speaking team tho are they?

[forest scaffold]

No, Swedish.

[topaz lance]

Interesting. Why smoke nades?

[forest scaffold]

But its been a consistent interaction since they've been a developer

[forest scaffold]

I wanted to try out Bio-Optic Targeting alongside them

since its the most intelligent use of smoke grenades

[tall torrent]

the finesse on 1 shot?

[forest scaffold]

Too bad that point tax ridden hellhole eats up all my talent points

Sorry, fatshark changed the name

[umbral scaffold]

Unironic decapitator usage?

[nimble sentinel]

smokes are amazing in the right hands which are sadly not mine but I am learning!

[forest scaffold]

Enhanced Target Priority

they patched it to work with teammates

[topaz lance]

Ah smart thinking, hadnÄt though of that

[forest scaffold]

Instead of just other veterans

So you can pop a smoke in front of an elite gunner line

[umbral scaffold]

I would decap if that didn't eat my shred slot

[forest scaffold]

press F
and

[knotty walrus]

which bolter?

[forest scaffold]

highlight all the gunners for your team

[topaz lance]

yeah, I think the refresh node needs to be rolled into the default node

[forest scaffold]

bro this whole tree is fucked

like, that's part of it yeah

but veteran has something like 12-15 more nodes

in total

than the other trees do

And you could probably bring that to 20 extra nodes total

depending on evaluation of specific nodes

This is untrue

Go look at ogryn

Or zealot

[topaz lance]

Well I don't disagree that it needs to be trimmed, 2-3 nodes per branch should do the trick

[forest scaffold]

They are objectively better than Veteran in every single way

I don't even use the two toughness regeneration talents on a couple of builds

[nimble sentinel]

here's a silly question:

If I have ES with Relentless, and my teammate has ES with Enhanced Target Priority + Counter Fire, would I be able to extend MY ES by shooting the shooters highlighted by THEIR ES?

[forest scaffold]

If that's what you're referring to

You still have a halo shield from coherency regeneration

and Confident Strike/Momentum

Ogryn isn't carried by FNP or Toughness Regen at all

whatsoever

They're strong

But they don't make what Ogryn is

[umbral scaffold]

I think counterfire doesn't add shooters to the highlight for teammates

[forest scaffold]

You're ignoring raw 66% damage reduction into toughness

and 36% damage reduction into HP

before curios

You're ignoring heavy attack damage

batter

You're ignoring Point Blank Barrage

You're ignoring literally all of his weapons and blessings

wat

wat

wat wat wat wat

Ogryn gets something like 60% heavy damage from his talents

on top of weapons that do 350 to 1000 damage

depending on target

What kinda crack are you smoking where ANYONE else even comes close

[rough igloo]

Steiner Math

[distant spruce]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[forest scaffold]

Literally the most braindead thing I've ever read

[rough igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/numbers-dont-lie-disaster-spell-gif-25561954

[mystic belfry]

I wasn't that impressd by ogryn weapon, it's not low damag per hit though

[forest scaffold]

Blaze Away and Gets Hot

Maniac, Flak, Elites, Carapace, Unyielding

[distant spruce]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[forest scaffold]

those are all the acceptable perks

any combination of those 5 is fine

this is the "Brunt's Basher" mk3b Bully Club

lets go over every damage node that ogryn gets

[mystic belfry]

I wouldn't put unyielding on plasma tbh

[forest scaffold]

And one of those is not like the others

[umbral scaffold]

Lol... where you might be doing that 800+ to one enemy, ogryn is doing that to 8 enemies

[forest scaffold]

And its implacable

[nimble sentinel]

but we all know the giant lump of space meat canonically stronger than He on Terra's Angels the Space marines < krieger teenager with a tin shovel

[forest scaffold]

While its not a direct damage buff, it facilitates using heavy attacks

[umbral scaffold]

When only thinking of single targets

[mystic belfry]

Is that a single target

[umbral scaffold]

Now multiply it by 8 enemies all getting hit in one swing

[mystic belfry]

In the video 🤔

[forest scaffold]

Vet has power sword, which gives Ogryn a run for his money

Combat Axes need to be nerfed

and should be more reliant their blessings for oneshot breakpoints

but they still don't give Ogryn a run for his money

[umbral scaffold]

Lol cope bro. Vet is not stronger than an ogryn

[mystic belfry]

So you're saying every ogryn melee needs to be nerfed? 🤔

[umbral scaffold]

You play a bad ogryn then

[mystic belfry]

That's an exaggeration

[umbral scaffold]

Pretty easy. Literally do the exact same thing with a shield

[nimble sentinel]

mfer show me ANY build killing 12 bruisers in 2 seconds with melee lol

[hearty panther]

but ogryn ... rocks 😎

[umbral scaffold]

Bash their heads

[nimble sentinel]

boutta block this baitin fool

[mystic belfry]

Ogryn melee does not take two seconds lol

[umbral scaffold]

They die instantly

[rough igloo]

Nice

[hearty panther]

tbh the only cope here is veterans wanting to be victims of their own class but ive already accepted this

[nimble sentinel]

ah yes, you just gotta push them together in 3 separate individual piles where they stand perfectly still and hit them with a single target axe while they're clipping into one another

[umbral scaffold]

That's definitely a cope too

[rough igloo]

Now show me that happening in an actual game

[mystic belfry]

The different piles doesn't change it, it does the same on a full crowd

You just

Swing into the group

[rough igloo]

I just want the vet tree to not be psychotic that's it

[mystic belfry]

That's my issue yeah. It's not that vet is weak right now, it's that the tree is fucking weird

[umbral scaffold]

Never said vet was weak. Some dumbass just tried to compare them to an ogryn and that's simply laughable

[hearty panther]

it is laughable since vet is stronger

[zinc osprey]

An infiltrator vet with melee buffed, and swapping after shooting a shitton might.

But that's so niche bro

[mystic belfry]

Specific vet melee can outdo ogryn melee

[zinc osprey]

damn that's crazy

[nimble sentinel]

link?

[whole moon]

Use the search function?

He's already posted it

[nova bane]

Hey! I'm newish to the game at about 40 hours and starting to take crafting seriously. Any tips on a laspistol/chainsword build going down the middle tree?

[nimble sentinel]

I only see vids in the psykhanium for 7 pages

and I'm too lazy to sift through that

[wise harness]

is the new tree with less travel point live?

[nimble sentinel]

that's the psykhanium again

you said in-mission video

[whole moon]

I'll hunt out my laspistol but this is my chainword and it's loads of fun

[zinc osprey]

This is sounding more like a powersword problem than an ogryn problem

[nova bane]

Why the damage against Groaners/Poxers instead of Carapace?

[umbral scaffold]

Homie had to make a choice

[whole moon]

Ran out of changes. There's the pistol

You'll need young joints to get the most out of laspistol. Or the autofire mod

[nova bane]

I'm on Xbox unfortunately

[whole moon]

They not have controllers w autofire functions on buttons?

[nimble sentinel]

still waiting for the link, if you could find it please

I honestly want to believe you dude

[nova bane]

Not that I know of, but my joints are youngish at least xD

[forest scaffold]

I dunno man, Ogryn seems pretty fucking good to me

[gloomy kestrel]

is flechette good or is it mostly a meme?

[mystic belfry]

meme

[forest scaffold]

Veteran is easily the worst class. Maybe tied with Psyker, but Psyker isn't even bad, just squishy because they're actually rewarded in their talent tree for power level

[zealous wyvern]

daemonhost spot without way around it

in hab dreyko (the plague tree scan)

[mystic belfry]

You can get around that

[forest scaffold]

None of those were done with the kickback

Not a single scoreboard

[mystic belfry]

There's another route

[zealous wyvern]

can you tell me how?

[mystic belfry]

Not really verbally

[zealous wyvern]

shame

[mystic belfry]

There's another route

[zealous wyvern]

my team did not let me look around long

[forest scaffold]

Because I don't have to

[mystic belfry]

Like to your left I think

[forest scaffold]

Because my guns outgun veteran

the gun guy

[zealous wyvern]

to your left is an abyss with a grid blocking you from falling

[forest scaffold]

https://streamable.com/sqdefd

[nimble sentinel]

is this the video?

[forest scaffold]

Also, here

Ogryn melee

[zealous wyvern]

youd need to go all the way around but i am unsure if that leads forward

[forest scaffold]

Totally weak

can't keep up

[zealous wyvern]

i kind of doubt it

[forest scaffold]

not worth using

But yeah, keep selling Ogryn short 🙄

[mystic belfry]

Vet guns are not that crazy unless you're using left capstone with the right guns

[gloomy kestrel]

ogryn atm is honestly probably somewhat over tuned

[vagrant narwhal]

don't compare XD psyker talents make sense, and I typically die FAR less often using psyker, except when in shitty melee situations (several ragers on me + cornered)

[gloomy kestrel]

vet isn't as bad as people are making out but it could do with more combined nodes/less nodes overall and maybe the keystones are a bit too finnicky

[hearty panther]

veteran can deal 19,208dps with a laser pointer

[mystic belfry]

Vet isn't bad at all, it's tree is just fucking weird

[nimble sentinel]

if azreal posts the video where they solo an auric with vet axe can someone ping me pls? I'm starting to suspect they blocked me

[vagrant narwhal]

my only issue is simply how the talents are wierdly spread out

plus weapon specialist doesn't let you make your bayonet weapons further synergize :(

[gloomy kestrel]

yeah, if they cut the amount of nodes on the tree by combining them (I think vets have like 100 nodes and most other classes have like 80?)

[vagrant narwhal]

someone did a good comparison of the amount of points it took to go straight down, (or how many points you had left) vet was like 8 left and other classes had I think 12/14??

something like that

[forest scaffold]

The first one isn't true

the second kind of is

You're just naysaying Ogryn because you're pissed he doesn't get power sword or axes

Both weapons which are objectively overpowered

and need to be nerfed

and brought in line with the rest of the options in game

[hearty panther]

why would we do that vet is bad

[forest scaffold]

Powersword has been braindead overpowered since release

And so have combat axes

No weapon should be measured against them

and yet, Ogryn weapons still come out ahead of combat axes

because they can cleave through ragers, maulers, nearly infinite bruisers

Cleave through infinite horde trash

[nimble sentinel]

funny enough I can't get into either, psword has no dodges and single target axe feels bleugh

[hearty panther]

what even is your argument lmao

[forest scaffold]

the achlys combat axe is awful

because its moveset is awful

It does not

They have 2400 HP

[glacial peak]

are you well?

[forest scaffold]

and 10 body mass

or something like that

combat axe has 2 cleave at best, 5 on a push attack

[glacial peak]

objectively false

[nimble sentinel]

I used to use this exclusively before they reworked brutal momentum

[forest scaffold]

Power sword CAN cleave through ragers

[zealous wyvern]

breathe deep and relax a moment

[glacial peak]

what the fuck competes with with mark 4 cleaver

[forest scaffold]

mk6 power sword

In terms of braindead gameplay, nothing.

[glacial peak]

powersword 6 is close amounts brain dead imo

[brisk umbra]

What stats do you need on the rashaad 2?

[terse idol]

Azreal with the God content

[forest scaffold]

That's not the heavy sword doing it

[brisk umbra]

i got this while trying to get Brutal Momentum xd

[forest scaffold]

that's piety and chastise the wicked

Which are also blatantly overpowered

oh, and the cooldown reduction talent

chastise isn't really OP

[brisk umbra]

i guessi should just get it and farm a better base

[terse idol]

I mean the heavy sword is doing some amount of lifting

[forest scaffold]

its just made OP by getting infinite of them

[glacial peak]

yeah

[forest scaffold]

thanks to piety and the CDR talent right above it

[glacial peak]

you literally gave yourself infinite cdr

[terse idol]

Frankly you can get that performance in regular games...

Because of the mass of some hordes

Yeah

[hearty panther]

pretty trivially too

[forest scaffold]

You could accomplish the same thing with an eviscerator, devils claw mk1, or crusher

[glacial peak]

^

[vagrant narwhal]

or the one where you get cooldown based on dmg you take which is insane against shit like ragers, literally used it 5 times in a row

[forest scaffold]

Its Piety and the CDR doing it

[glacial peak]

evis is fine

[terse idol]

I mean we can bring this to zealot chat

Evis has been told to be bad

[celest vine]

Brunt always gives me the best

[terse idol]

Its just general consensus stuff

[forest scaffold]

Evisc just has an awkward moveset

and weird damage caps

[terse idol]

And heavy sword is still a top performer

[forest scaffold]

But the actual killing power on it is fine

[glacial peak]

evis isn't heavy sword but like its perfectly servicable

[terse idol]

My man

I'm just saying what folks have been saying

[forest scaffold]

Power Sword yesn't

the other two no

[humble adder]

What are the "must have" talents for veteran in the talent tree? Im running a build with the lasgun and with voice of command

[forest scaffold]

Power Sword comes with real drawbacks

[nimble sentinel]

I don't know what Az is on about but all the proof uploaded is controlled encounters in the psykhanium and I don't trust that

[forest scaffold]

in dodge count and charge up time

[glacial peak]

power sword is the only thing ill except comes close to mark4 cleaver

[umbral scaffold]

Zealot crit builds are goated

[forest scaffold]

making it awkward in high intensity situations

[nimble sentinel]

dodge

[forest scaffold]

when there's 6 ragers, you don't have the time to charge it

[glacial peak]

6 i feel like i always have time to charge it with the block cancle

[sleek cairn]

u do, the charge goes straight to block since they implemented teh charge cancel

[vagrant narwhal]

I mean tbh, if you use helbores 1/2, the bayonet knocks them back all the time

and almost anything else

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, and power sword needs to be nerfed, nor is it indicative of "All the melee weapons outperforming ogryn"

[nimble sentinel]

I tend to need more than one dodge in auric

[vagrant narwhal]

(yes one specific gun but my point being I do not care about what melee I use that ebing the case)

[forest scaffold]

You've picked two

[glacial peak]

i feel like powersword 6 is an outlier tbh because its fucking insane

[forest scaffold]

1 on zealot

and said "These are all of the human melee weapons"

[sleek cairn]

wait somebody here was arguing Ogryn's melee dps? lol.... They're for control not dps

[forest scaffold]

Which is blatantly false

On three weapons

out of 40

That's not "human" dps

[sleek cairn]

the fuck, who actually thinks ogryn's melee dps can match psyker dueling sword or zealot or vet.

[forest scaffold]

that's three standout weapons that need to be knocked down some pegs

[glacial peak]

i mean i would have said dueling sword 4 too if were saying thing but like blatantly op weapons are blatantly op

[vagrant narwhal]

also, in actual vet discussion, is exhilarating take down still bugged??

[sleek cairn]

i believe so

[glacial peak]

yes

[forest scaffold]

me, actively walking through and clearing hordes while mashing mouse button one

[sleek cairn]

the bug is still active

[hearty panther]

i know his hair is fuzzy but he only pretends to be a clown

[forest scaffold]

with +80% damage and 80% brittleness

[nimble sentinel]

do you have an example of max ogryn melee dps? no hate I'm actually curious

[forest scaffold]

https://streamable.com/sqdefd

not even max

Just one example

I'm way too lazy to set up more

[hearty panther]

an incredibly mid example

[gusty sonnet]

Yeah, and funnily enough gunman ranged dps << ogryn ranged dps

[forest scaffold]

Ogryn shield can literally stagger an infinite amount of ragers

[sleek cairn]

that's not gonna impress us here...

[forest scaffold]

not just 8

[sleek cairn]

it's for control

[hearty panther]

so now we're about stagger and not dps

it's almost as if puri doesnt really have an agrument

[forest scaffold]

Its the best class

Hands down

Without a doubt

Not even an argument.

[sleek cairn]

we know ogryn's strengths but melee DPS is definitely not it

Or else ogryn's would whip out melee for bosses

[forest scaffold]

I do though?

[sleek cairn]

but you have a gun

why!

[forest scaffold]

Because perma stunlocking

[tight dragon]

ogryn perma locks bosses

[sleek cairn]

maybe i play mine wrong, i just really like shooting the boss

[forest scaffold]

https://streamable.com/vmd9xk

[hearty panther]

yeah but permastunlocking is comically slow in terms of damage

[forest scaffold]

Can't do that with a gun

[hearty panther]

but otherwise yeah

you wont die

you just arent doing it in 30s

[tight dragon]

Need some stupid slap heavy combo with weird timings afaik

[nimble sentinel]

so if I understand correctly:

Ogryn melee DPS = bad
Ogryn melee control = good
Ogryn ranged DPS = based
Vets shooting into hordes = bad
Vets melee DPS = best in class

[sleek cairn]

i guess it's a playstyle thing, i'll try melee boss sometime on ogryn instead of shooty shoot

[terse idol]

Well it is an example of an outlier weapon

[nimble sentinel]

and additionally, I am sleeping on axes?

[sleek cairn]

i think the pew pew on ogryn had me totally enamoured and i neglected melee'ing bosses on ogryn

[terse idol]

Ps6 is still great

[sleek cairn]

cuz im gonna be honest, it feels so good to shoot on ogryn lol

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, and Azreal is using:

Power Sword, Combat Axes, and Heavy Sword to say that ALL human weapons have greater DPS than Ogryn

which is patently false

[tight dragon]

i though gunluggers were bad

[forest scaffold]

Its those three outliers

[terse idol]

I mean

[hearty panther]

he didnt really say that to start

[wise harness]

what weapon makes vet melee op? i'm out of the oop

loop

[terse idol]

I'd say those outliers are exactly why they're better

[brisk umbra]

Should i keep upgrading, or take the brutal momentum for somethin else?

[hearty panther]

and like yea lmao

[nimble sentinel]

under best case scenarios, correct?

[terse idol]

Because yes thats how it being better works

[hearty panther]

turns out a vet-only melee weapon being really strong helps make a case for vet melee being strong

[golden axle]

nice bromentum

[hearty panther]

who would ever have thought

such a turn of events

[sleek cairn]

Vet melee is probably near the very top. im just a rashad caxe2 main tho

i dont give two shits about pswords but i acknowledge their OP ways lol

[whole moon]

I've found this discussion very enlightening, thank you both Puri and Azreal.

[brisk umbra]

still need to know if i need to trash it or not

[wise harness]

what weapons?

[brisk umbra]

no idea if 51% first target is enouhg, even though it seems to be 1.01 vs 1.15 at 80%

[sleek cairn]

even if we call it melee vet, let's be real, the talent points that reload Revolver for us is just.. oh my goodness

[golden axle]

first targets a bit iffy there, id probably scoop bromentum out of it and roll others but up to you.

[nimble sentinel]

psword and caxe from the examples given

[golden axle]

heavy sword 9 is 💦 💦 💦 💦

[wise harness]

wast heavy zealot only

[vagrant narwhal]

this any good?? (no plasteel left for upgrade XD)

[gaunt steppe]

yo anyone here know whether or not plasma gun coleteral kills give more accuracy per shot depending on how many kills you get?
trying to do Make Every Shot Count here lol

[hearty panther]

it's funny i use heavy hitter pretty much exclusively for the attack speed

once i throw those five heavies out i just light spam

[nimble sentinel]

what about hammer?

[midnight mortar]

They shouldn't. Accuracy is only measured by whether one shot hits a target or not. For shotguns, so long as one pellet hits a target it counts as a hit.

[gaunt steppe]

lol i was already wondering why i didnt get the achiev after two rounds

ill try the shotgun xD

ty

[hearty panther]

brutal momentum should be infinite. it's called skill expression. come on fatshark

[forest scaffold]

No, even slaughterer pcycler power sword mk6 is out of this world overpowered

the whole power sword thing needs a complete ground up redesign

Axes need their damage halved

so they're forced to rely on crafting to reach one-shot breakpoints

[terse idol]

That might honestly kill axes

[forest scaffold]

to proc brutal momentum

[gaunt steppe]

im just spamming whatever gives most mobs

[forest scaffold]

Either you get lucky, or brick your weapon

[gaunt steppe]

and then melee around with the power blade in the end

[forest scaffold]

They do far too much damage.

[terse idol]

Would rather my weapon kinda work out of the box, because it's gonna feel worse for people who are just getting the hang of it

[forest scaffold]

They shouldn't naturally start with start with one-shot breakpoints

[gaunt steppe]

assassination was kinda meh cause i still had ammo towards the end

[terse idol]

Blessings seems to be the problem

[forest scaffold]

to immediately start proccing brutal momentum

[nimble sentinel]

I wanna know what y'alls melee vet builds look like cause I still feel better with my lasgun

[finite imp]

if I see one more vet come in here with a godrolled plasma gun and go "bricked" I'm going to officially shit my pants

[sleek cairn]

what does this channel think of the value of this node?

yay or nay

[low wadi]

what is hs9?

[forest scaffold]

its like one of four toughness regeneration talents on veteran

[bleak tendon]

yay

[terse idol]

When it rolls bad mods and bad blessings

But has good rolls

[umbral scaffold]

Bit of a nay for me, but I don't make enough use of it

[terse idol]

[finite imp]

When it has good rolls

[dusk idol]

hey azreal

[finite imp]

but bad rolls

[terse idol]

When it tolls

Rolls

Keep rolling

[finite imp]

When it doesn't roll

[tall torrent]

nade regen
tactical awareness (-6s CD on specialist kill)

[low wadi]

i have this but everytime its time to use it i die

[tall torrent]

are u sure abt decapitator on rashad over headtaker

[terse idol]

Grenade upgrade too

[sleek cairn]

has it really saved u ever

[tall torrent]

does that net better breakpoints

[humble adder]

I have them both, trying out the new build rn

[dusk idol]

i did some testing last night after we talked about the revolver doing good boss dps with the shotgun

[finite imp]

I am on acid so everything looks like comic textured to me right now

[dusk idol]

and turns out the shotgun might just be cracked

[low wadi]

what blessings for powersword 6?

[tall torrent]

wouldn't call it "must take every time"

[low wadi]

pc?

[umbral scaffold]

the elusive power cycler

[tall torrent]

needs 10% melee and desperado/precision strike though?

[bleak tendon]

i mean it keeps my toughness up and i rarely take health dmg, so ig but idk

[low wadi]

ok

[bleak tendon]

it does its job well tho

[finite imp]

it's unfortunate

but it is

[umbral scaffold]

El desesperado

[wise harness]

how is Graia Mk VIII Infantry Autoguns?

[finite imp]

imagine the untold potential that weapon COULD have if it wasn't held back by that

lol

[dusk idol]

you lose out on grenade regen and have to take exec stance, but otherwise it’s a viable build

[sleek cairn]

im not sure if that's cuz u play well or due to the node point

hard to say

[bleak tendon]

bro try it on a mission

then youll know

[sleek cairn]

i have been! i can't notice

that's why i asked

[bleak tendon]

you switch often?

[low wadi]

this ok or nah?

[sleek cairn]

of course i do, im revolver

i need to just to avoid reload lol

[tall torrent]

also, have u tried tac axes yet

[umbral scaffold]

My mind has been open to the possibility of exec stance and wepspec

[hearty panther]

taxes are fun

[umbral scaffold]

Once they are fixed to actually work together

[hearty panther]

they def do not compete with caxes on any level tho

theyre more about defensive control and single target on most elites

i fkn love

standing in front of a mutant

and just mashing the tac4 special

in his face

[umbral scaffold]

Taxe specials are goated

[hearty panther]

as he grunts repeatedly

"I GOTCHU NOW"

[finite imp]

How about you take this fucking knife and you run over there and jam it in to the side of that crushers helmet

and stop talking to me about math

[tall torrent]

tac axe 7's H1 is kind of similar to rashad L1

[hearty panther]

not at all in terms of damage

[finite imp]

holy fuck what is with this load time

[tall torrent]

sad

[hearty panther]

i still love my taxe4

[nimble sentinel]

tbh I am now very lost in how to best play vet

[hearty panther]

its great on a more shooty vet

its something like a shovel

just reliable

[dusk idol]

wait a minute

[finite imp]

omfg melk i swear to god

[dusk idol]

does explosions doing less damage to unyielding affect the bolter?

[finite imp]

3 minutes you better have something GOOD

Prove ME wrong

[dusk idol]

because I tested a mag dump last night on beast of nurgle and it only did like half hp

[finite imp]

whats the dump stat on agri' mk1

[autumn perch]

can i get someone to help me with a penance

[finite imp]

and tell me it's stability

[autumn perch]

it should be ez and quick

[dusk idol]

shotgun goated 😭

[finite imp]

Man shotgun is so fun

[silent silo]

is the mk 9 headhunter good

[finite imp]

send card

[dusk idol]

how does shotgun do better monstro damage than a bolter

I don’t get it

[strange grove]

Any1 here goes by Goatimus Maximus? Very good player

[finite imp]

because this game ignore the bolters lore to the maximum

[tall torrent]

bolter was never designed to kill monsters in the lore

[silent silo]

infantry bolters shells arent as impactful and are launched with less force, theyre not nearly as powerful as astartes ones

[finite imp]

a real bolter would do damage to you everytime you fucking fired it

nobody wins when that gun goes off

[dusk idol]

it doesn’t do anything better than any other weapon rn and that makes me sad

[silent silo]

opening salvo, headhunter carapace adn unarmored

[finite imp]

but the dude it's pointed at loses

[dusk idol]

except suppression maybe?

[low wadi]

is finesse important on mk6?

[finite imp]

can you do deadly accurate

[waxen veldt]

Any links to a good plasma vet guide?

[finite imp]

Deadly acurrate will get you where you need to go

opening salvo

swap unarmered

[dusk idol]

ahhh calvacade pinning fire grenade

[finite imp]

put something in that answers a problem

[dusk idol]

mine had shattering impact

[finite imp]

What do you struggle with alot

[nimble sentinel]

worth taking from the melkman?

[finite imp]

that what you need to ask yourself

do you panic at zerkers or what

[finite imp]

no

Save your melkbucks

[finite imp]

the penetration is too low

[hearty panther]

riposte is a v nice blessing

[dusk idol]

I feel like this interaction sucks because you need a grenade for full stacks of pinning fire

[hearty panther]

pen is pointless since youre gonna get uncanny

[nimble sentinel]

||title of my sex tape||

[finite imp]

Shut your disgusting moth

[dusk idol]

or a horde but then you’ll be spending some of your ammo

[finite imp]

holy shit all of you give me a fucking lap

god damn

[finite imp]

uncanny is good but bleed stax is funny

and without bleed stax why are you even running a knife

[hearty panther]

tbh i have completely moved away from bleeds except on psyker

since knife is like ... sort of their only boss DPS, and only with bleed lmao

vet can just take serrated node

[dusk idol]

not with my build for the shotgun, that bitch got absolutely 0 grenade regen

[hearty panther]

ye

[dusk idol]

im saving them shits for the most dire circumstances

[hearty panther]

desperado gives you hilarious value on more crit

so riposte sees hella value

i have also recently opened my eyes to Duelist on Zealot

[nimble sentinel]

Az is you have a guide anywhere on what to do with patch 15 vet I would love to read it

[hearty panther]

is it

i have like

five fucking things going off on a dodge

i have not honestly kept perfect track

[hearty panther]

oh, thats not too bad then

[finite imp]

just popped on melk for me

[hearty panther]

im usually dodge dancing right in their faces

yeah

those two are uh

well shit even the recoil reduction one

i love everything going on there

dance of death

damn near everyone gets it yeah

[visual remnant]

[finite imp]

my current knife

[hearty panther]

i just rarely go down that way

[finite imp]

lemme reread that blessing at get back to you

ah i see why

i don't have that blessing

[whole moon]

Would Uncanny and Merry Killer be a good pairing for a knife?

Lol merry

[umbral scaffold]

It's aight

[whole moon]

Leaving it

[umbral scaffold]

One of the problems of mercy is you get it on your second hit

[whole moon]

Cheers!

[hearty panther]

the big reason i like riposte is because it lasts 6s

which is just

almost an enternity in this kind of game

[whole moon]

I need to sack my perks for more blessings.. MMOOAAAR

[hearty panther]

throwing knife 🙂

[golden axle]

if you had to keep decimator or headtaker on a Rashad which do you pick?

also what goes with the maniac perk on it, Flak? Crit?

[late ledge]

john warhammer at your service with his very unusual bolter

[delicate estuary]

I raise you this

[nimble sentinel]

anyone else having server issues just now?

[untold mulch]

I was having shitty server side info my last match half an hour ago

A LOT of missing audio cues, hits not registering

[torn gorge]

dont forget rending backstab

[nimble sentinel]

welp got no matches in game and az making me doubt everything I know about vet out of game

[keen sleet]

2 bursters and 2 trappers tried ganking me while I was slashing with a power sword in damnation ascension riser

In a large horde

No sound activation either

[untold mulch]

Yep, audio is terrible

[whole moon]

Lol that's like me every other day on this server. Thinking on it is good tho.

[nimble sentinel]

my takeaway is I need a melee build and have to find out how to make a single target weapon into a crowd clearing aoe monster

[keen sleet]

I’m mostly confident on how I play, I shoot things until they die with the plasma gun and don’t be silly

[nimble sentinel]

how the f do axes work

[kind edge]

fellas, what is the dumpstat on the XII again?

https://i.imgur.com/r6cqjRb.png

do i bother

[tight dragon]

i'm considering giving up on the keystone but what's the best value for those 2 points hypothetically

[nimble sentinel]

Ia hits the same break points as the XII now, and the IV is a lot of fun too

[valid apex]

Twinned blast and tink probably

But I wouldn’t.

The keystone is gucci

[whole moon]

Your Rashad or Antax (Atrox?) Might be the best option. Lights for horde clear, heavies for anything else?

Get mixed up w the CAxes n TAxes sometimes. I mean the CAxes

[nimble sentinel]

this one?

[whole moon]

Yeah. That one

[nimble sentinel]

I am having quite a time trying to get brutal momentum to proc

[balmy terrace]

It procs every time you kill a dude with a headshot. Basically it just makes it cleave much better, increasing the damage you can do to and through hordes

Push attacks are quite good for it, but you can definitely do it reliably by aiming above enemy heads

[whole moon]

Yeah I was gonna say aim high.. higher than usual for that head chop

[nimble sentinel]

what a wonderful time to have made my vet min height because I thought it was funny

[balmy terrace]

Meh, aim higher then. You're great at hiding behind boxes being short though, which is quite nice

Cover is actually cover to you lol

[nimble sentinel]

gonna give this a go unless someone wants to correct me

[whole moon]

Give it a go but also consider fucking off all the keystones as you can get more bang for your buck if you don't bother

[gloomy kestrel]

i would just use that until you get something 360+ i wouldn't bother upgrading it

[celest vine]

Which blessing gets swapped to power cycler?

I lean towards swapping supercharge

[dusty ferry]

Supercharge

Sunder will let you hit through shields I think

[celest vine]

Supercharge it is then

[whole moon]

Hope you have a lot of fun w that Bismarck

[celest vine]

I mean the perks arent the greatest

Sprint efficiency is nice to have since I primarily shoot

[ionic hull]

thoughts?

[celest vine]

Hit up unyielding samage then its godly

[ionic hull]

had a feeling that would the consensus

speicalist to Unyield and Shattering to Blaze away?

[nimble sentinel]

@formal lake so I just tried my old axe again in an auric, my teammates were pretty braindead but yeh that shit kinda slapped. My B for judging you too early

[ionic hull]

doesnt help im running Onsslaught as well

my build for referance feel free to pick it apart

[hearty panther]

dont listen to this fool there's actually infinite stacks of blaze away just keep pulling the trigger the trick is that before it forces you to vent you gotta do a charge shot and then you can blow past the limiter

[ionic hull]

oh hell yea

[hearty panther]

Deadshot doesn't do anything for you with Plasma Gun

Neither does Determined, for the matter.

[ionic hull]

ye i just miss out on a bunch of other stats

[ionic hull]

Deadshot and Determined are just perks to get the Ammo buff tbh

[hearty panther]

honestly, as far as plasma gun goes

[ionic hull]

if i could branch off middle tree to grab it i would

[hearty panther]

i just live with the fact that it's gonna hoover shit up

you're way better off speccing into other places cause you can take all the ammo and ammo regen you want

and you're still going to run out

[ionic hull]

thats fair i just like having that small buffer before needing to grab ammo

its the little things to help the team

[hearty panther]

those four points could get you some sexy nodes rn

Iron Will

Desperado

even the rending aint bad

also twinned blast is frankly a meme

i'd take the grenade regen every time

[ionic hull]

i love twinned blasts with the krak nades pretty funny to stick 3 of em to a demonhosts face

[thin kernel]

Is dis bad?

[hearty panther]

oh yea i forgot about that other regen

thats gud

i value ammo more than stab but its w/e

yeah

its just so i can squeeze out one more +crit chanced shot from opening salvo

like thats it lmao

thats the only use case

not worth crying over

[delicate estuary]

ammo

[thin kernel]

So it's worth getting ye?

[south prairie]

They shouldve given at least 1 more mag of plasma ammo, would improve the economy quite a bit

[delicate estuary]

mk12 is very ammo efficient and even if you have to magdump into trash shooters

which you should

[hearty panther]

idk with plasma it's already insanely strong

[delicate estuary]

there is ammo to go around

I usually go by an entire match at either maelstrom or auric iwth just a single ammo bag

[hearty panther]

and ammo economy as a whole is a farce

[delicate estuary]

mobility is nice on it for dodge distance

[ionic hull]

agreed thats kinda the main reaosn i grab the Ammo increase from left side

[hearty panther]

day 3## of waiting for survivalist to get deleted

[south prairie]

At least you wouldnt be fiending for ammo because the numbers get low after every other swarms

[delicate estuary]

it wont and I hope it doesnt becasue then I will have to rely on teammates to leave me ammo which never happens

or yea survivalist should probably be a node or something

[ionic hull]

Survivalist should be an innate vet thing like how Ogyrns can res downed players without getting interrupted now when it was a baked in passive before 13

its not stated anywhere in their trees

[fallow compass]

i love how the dark tide launcher still features the ranged stealth veteran build even though its impossible to use now. very cool reminder.

[ionic hull]

aye

funny but sad

[hearty panther]

I love how it features a guide video that's like 70% misinformation

[delicate estuary]

thats never happening with the amount of shooters that exist

[terse idol]

I would enjoy at least a few guns that the vet can use to mag dump into hordes

[delicate estuary]

also not sure why we are trying to turn darktide into vermintide

[ionic hull]

id agree but VT2 was alot heavier on the melee combat

[terse idol]

I mean survivalist is broke

That's the issue

And the other auras vet has is garbage

[hearty panther]

You gotta get rid of survivalist before anything else can get fixed

[tame lichen]

still dont trust vet in auric 5 anymore. Maybe I got too used to psyker in the past week post patch

[terse idol]

Really? I don't feel an impact 5% movement has

[hearty panther]

People asking for the other two auras to be buffed 'to survivalists level' are wild af to me

[ionic hull]

not exactly the Zealot has 2 unnique auras that werent in the game before 13

[terse idol]

And the question I ask I'd how many weapons get a break point on 5% more damage?

[patent slate]

which blessing should i take

im making a bolter build btw

just to get that out there

so shattering?

[ionic hull]

Shattering

[terse idol]

Honestly probably axe survivalist (or God forbid bake it into vet)

[patent slate]

should i have surgical for my second blessing then>

[hearty panther]

Vet can have ammo regen or some shit but it can't be an aura anymore

[nimble sentinel]

if vet really is best in class for melee, is there any class where the infantry lasgun isn't just good but optimal?

[hearty panther]

That's how you end up with bottomless kickbacks and shit

[ionic hull]

should look something like this

minus the perks that is

i jsut got an amazing roll with it lmao only thing i had to get rid off was the first blessing

ran this before the class reblance and the first Crafting changes

things my pride and joy tbh

[hearty panther]

and revolver in general lol

i legit hate when i dont have to even be considerate shooting it

[delicate estuary]

you just listed 3 broken weapons from the getgo

revolver should not be allowed to 1 to 2 shot a crusher

[hearty panther]

yea and they're made worse by a bottomless ammo well

you could have guns do insane shit like two shot a crusher ... at a cost

scavenger deletes the cost

[ionic hull]

wouldnt you have to have a perfect revolver to do that though?

[delicate estuary]

just a matter of time

[ionic hull]

touche lmao

[delicate estuary]

yea like how it was a mattero f time for me to get uncanny 4 on my shovel

4 million dockets and 40k plasteel

but I agree they need to make ammo aura a node in the tree

and remove some of the useless ones

[timid otter]

How so?

[midnight mortar]

Which talents are way too strong in your opinion?

[ionic hull]

while the other classes have very mid nodes that dont matter to builds like Ogryns AoE increase on explosions when the only things it effects are the Nade gauntlet and Nades themselves

[timid otter]

It also affects rumbler so…

That isnt a bad talent but a niche one.

[ionic hull]

thats my point though you only get 1 Nuke and you gotta find another or hope you have a Vet with Demo Team

[timid otter]

Much like the rumbler itself

[ionic hull]

thats what i mean Niche stuff like Rumbler and Nuke (evne tho tis best nade for Ogryns imo)

if you give something like Desperado to Zealot they'd be opaf

Vet needs it to keep up in melee even with PS

[midnight mortar]

Demo team only replenishes the vet.

[ionic hull]

then they havent fixed its text box in 3 patches lmaooooo

[timid otter]

Doubt that

[midnight mortar]

They did as of the last patch.

[timid otter]

Its also just a dumb statement

What vet build, what zealot build?

How do the classes affect bps?

[ionic hull]

[dusk idol]

it says you have a chance, it used to be you and allies have a chance*

or smn like that

[midnight mortar]

Yes. "You have a chance... when you or a".

[ionic hull]

ye i was reading it wrong lmao

my b

i admit defat on this one

[timid otter]

If im looking at my own most played zealot build im looking at 30% attack speed, 30% damage

[midnight mortar]

Just consider it proof that Fatshark is awful at wording their own tooltips.

[timid otter]

Thats without even factoring in conditional effects like sustained assault, disdain

[ionic hull]

remind me on what Bruisers are assuming their Bulwarks or Crushers

[midnight mortar]

Flak armor head. Wielding clubs. Sickly.

[ionic hull]

AH MAULERS

ship caps

[midnight mortar]

No. Maulers are carapace welder helmets.

[atomic zephyr]

no maulers have chainaxes

[grizzled escarp]

Just had the best session of my darktide career. playing as a vet. 3 ogryn buddies, each with slab shields.
stuck together after that and whiped out me commisar hat.

[midnight mortar]

And flak body all the way down.

[ionic hull]

ok thne im even more confused lmao

ive never heard of Brusiers

[midnight mortar]

They don't have a callout in game. Files refer to them as bruisers though so that's the standard terminology.

[timid otter]

Momentum is pratically always active

[ionic hull]

gimme an enemy then with a callout that is a Bruiser so i can see what we're talking about lmao

[midnight mortar]

I'll be sure to send Fatshark your thanks for their obfuscation of game mechanics.

[ionic hull]

yea thanks lol

ah alright ty

[timid otter]

The power of zealot is anyways in its survivalibilty, positioning

Zealot can extend fights for any period it wishes

[ionic hull]

if Zealot didnt have the frankly insane amount of Damage reduction Ogyrn would be tankiest

[vagrant narwhal]

I mean you get two ability charges which give you toughness and dmg the martyrdom stuff and all the dr like 50% and you can make it 60

Not to mention

All the health dmg things and holy covenant

[timid otter]

Tankiness, survialbility are not the same

[vagrant narwhal]

Don't get me wrong but survivability is much better on zealot imo

[timid otter]

Zealot has lots of get out of “jail free cards”

[finite imp]

dont let him get near the devs

[timid otter]

Ultimates, blitzes, talents, movement speed xtra

[misty vigil]

i heard yall were stinky doodoo......( /joke) that said, here is my latest video on the weapon specialist keystone. i think i offer some good takes for it https://youtu.be/DMVrs9BW-mI

[ionic hull]

yes and no being able to Survive something and being able to Tank something is about the same if you gave Ogyrns Holy Rev they'd do the same things Zealots do imo

[finite imp]

this guy is trying to balance us all to play solo auric maelstrom lmfao

[timid otter]

Ya and i find it easier as zealot.

[finite imp]

he's bringing out the real vet in all of us

[timid otter]

You wont cap me out through a solo discussion

[finite imp]

I cannot

[timid otter]

Been there done that

[vagrant narwhal]

Until i can't use it normally with bayonet i don't want it XD

[finite imp]

and it isn't a goal of mine

I intended to play the game as the devs intended

cooperatively

Good

[misty vigil]

i hear where your coming from, considering serrated blade procs with boltgun bash, i do think, a melee kill bayonet should proc the melee stack point to be immediately used upon gaining for the increase.

[finite imp]

thats synergy

not everyone in here is a sadomasochist

[vagrant narwhal]

Would be fun for helbores, would give bayonets more of an actual use other than stopping ragers as well

[finite imp]

You're nuts man lmao

[manic badger]

Yea we need to giga nerfa vet until its completely unplayable in both solo and coop

right guys?

take away revolvers from vets

that way the people bitching about it being op cant bitch anymore

[finite imp]

okay now you're making fucking sense

now i fuck with you

[spark sandal]

Worthwhile?

[finite imp]

And the answer to your question is were sociopaths

[timid otter]

Idc if veteran reaches a higher damage then zealot so long as its harder to play

Zealot has near never in the game had the highest melee damage

[manic badger]

Yo im gonna tell you something

thats gonna hurt now but it wil lsave you pain later

[vagrant narwhal]

Pretty sure yes xd god damn what luck

[finite imp]

yeah that's real

it's why I play knife