veteran-class

[terse idol]

So focus is out for revolver

[bold ibex]

I'm not saying it isn't. But I use lapistol with a melee build that wants stamina

[terse idol]

And weapon spec with revolver and reloads with reserve ammo on weapon swap

[vivid vault]

can you u get a tier 4 blessing from upgrading from redeemed to anointed? or is it only tier 3s?

[delicate harbor]

I can't get my footing on T5 with vet anymore...

[terse idol]

very good synergy with revolver

[dusk idol]

decapitor’s been bugged since p13?

that’s fucked

[delicate harbor]

the higher the base value the higher the chance for T4 blessings, +higher chance on 2nd blessing.

[junior needle]

It's a flat cost now, so you can totally just build more stamina for more uptime. Also can just hipfire if you dont want a drain.

[midnight mortar]

Exhilirating Takedown: Allow me to introduce myself.

[hollow hinge]

i wish the boltgun had more ammo

[bold ibex]

Lapistol still will drain a stamina bar like it's nothing.

[hollow hinge]

Boltgun feels like it should be better

[gusty bison]

How so

[midnight mortar]

You can. Chances are rare. Higher base rating weapons have a higher likelihood in general of getting tier 4 blessings upon consecration.

[gusty bison]

Its already one of the few gums that can be made to bodyshot 1 tap flamers

[vivid vault]

ok, guess i gotta just keep grinding

[umbral scaffold]

With the new friendly AI tech they talked about earlier, I wonder if it would be possible to have a 'summon reinforcements' ability where you toss down a beacon and a squad of PDF/Inquisition goons show up to fight alongside you.

[hollow hinge]

It does great damage, but its got such low ammo, reload speed is so slow, and you'd think it would take out a horde much easier than it does

[gusty bison]

Its ammo regen is solid cos of how little ammo it uses fo kill elites

So it actually has solid practical ammo reserves

And it really shouldnt be spammed into a horde tbh.

Its an elite and special slayer, not a horde clear gun

[hollow hinge]

well i got blessings that make it more of a horde deleter

and i got my knife to kill elites and specials

[gusty bison]

It already is kill good chunks of a horde btw. Its just that DT horde numbers are so high its not practical for anygun to clear hordes consistently

Basically use ur melee to clear hordes

True of any gun

[hollow hinge]

my agripinaa mk 8 braced autogun clears out hordes easily

same with my plasma rifle

[gusty bison]

Not ammo efficientlg

[gusty bison]

Even less so

[hollow hinge]

i always have ammo for both the weapons though

[gusty bison]

If ur horde clearing with a plasma ur REALLY burning ammo

[hollow hinge]

Always

[gusty bison]

What difficulty?

[hollow hinge]

damnation

auric

[half wigeon]

what are the blessing and talent tree iam curious ?

[calm prairie]

breh are the servers fucked or smth

[gusty bison]

Yea no unless ur vacuuming ammo reserves plasma cant horde clear

[junior needle]

Did not seem very fast to me, but I am running a +3 stamina curio. About 5 seconds of deadshot uptime without any ghost/dnd regen.

[ivory aurora]

You experiencing lag too ?

[wise quest]

because you steal it from others

[hollow hinge]

maybe we're using it differently

[gusty bison]

It can barely keep up with elite counts without needing constant ammo supplements

[calm prairie]

I just got my first full back to main menu disconnect since the game came out lmao

[wise quest]

now i sit at quarter ammo all game because funny man shoots at hordes

[gusty bison]

Agri braced auto also isnt gonna clear hordes consistently through a mission unless ur vacuuming ammo

[crisp bronze]

So this is basically my "kark you karkin gunners" build. Basically a melee build that can press one button and quickly take out a backline of 15 shooters and 3 gunners. Smokes for teammate support, Exe stance to highlight them and weapon specialist because this is a pretty hybrid playstyle. Proposed weapons are Power Sword 6 and Vraks Headhunter 7.

[hollow hinge]

I don't actually

[ivory aurora]

I’ve been dealing with it last night. Don’t know how it’s doing today

[hollow hinge]

sharing is caring

[gusty bison]

Its nice for using into hordes once in a while but like ur melee is still ur main horde clear

[wise quest]

lie

[hollow hinge]

and if the only team is stocked, we only benefit

I don't lie

[mystic belfry]

That's a lie

[hollow hinge]

I'm not a degenerate who worships tzeentch

[wise quest]

what does this sentence mean

[mystic belfry]

You're a furry, I'd rather you worship tzeentch

[calm prairie]

I was playing a little earlier and it was okay but I saw some posts in here a little bit ago

[gusty bison]

Plasma is literally extremely ammo hungry and horribly inefficient at horde clear

[calm prairie]

and now Im experiencing it

[hollow hinge]

why are you upset?

Because I have a melee stealth build that also clears out hordes with plasma rifles?

tsk tsk

[ivory aurora]

Yeah. It’s very nice tho when you have a trapper behind 30 pox walkers. I started using plasma more since patch 13

[finite imp]

there's an alarming amount of furry vets

[gusty bison]

This is the nice part ye

[hollow hinge]

Jumping on a sheep bandwagons of hatred so you can feel accepted?

tsk tsk

[wise quest]

using plasma for horde clear is stupid

[finite imp]

he he sheep

[hollow hinge]

Sometimes i rapid fire the hordes on left click

however

[gusty bison]

At this point im convinced he is a troll

[hollow hinge]

I usually right click once in a horde and clear the rest out with my knife

[kindred vapor]

I dont seem to be able to find the attachments mod anymore

[wise quest]

what does this sentence mean

[kindred vapor]

does anyone have it?

[hollow hinge]

sorry but im a veteran irl too, we use words like "stocked" you know, stocked up in ammo

[gusty bison]

Like he's complaining about bolter being low ammo and yet somehow never runs out on plasma

[hollow hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-pretty-and-i-know-it-cute-cat-cat-cute-cat-cats-gif-17600921

[gusty bison]

When bolter is easily twice to three times more efficient

[hollow hinge]

I wasn

I wasn't complaining

I was just saying I wish it had more ammo

[gusty bison]

[frank ether]

you cant magdump on hordes as fast with plasma I guess?

[wise quest]

except the team is likely struggling or rationing because you are using plasma for horde clear

[crisp bronze]

This scenario has become much more common in the latest patch. You always had someone say that this situation is rare and now I'm thinking "I wish I had my plasma" a lot more frequently.

[gusty bison]

Ah yes the speedrun to red ammo.

[frank ether]

bolter moment

[livid monolith]

or the bulwark/crusher conga line

[hollow hinge]

You can assume what you want, but when I play the team picks up ammo, including me. Deal with it traitor

[ivory aurora]

Yeah. And since marksmen vet feels so bad I’ve been using the middle tree with plasma with the shout to just delete heretics that offend me

[wise quest]

ok

[gusty bison]

But yea if ur running out of ammo on a bolter ur flat using it wrong

[hollow hinge]

Also as I said earlier, i'm a melee stealth build that mostly uses melee

I thought it'd be obvious i run out of ammo less than a marksman

[wise quest]

if you mostly use melee, why not continue to do so for hordes

[umbral scaffold]

[hollow hinge]

Because plasma will deal with them eeeaaasier

[gusty bison]

Melee is better for hordes anyway.

[delicate moat]

[gusty bison]

It doesnt

[hollow hinge]

without me getting hit

It does

[wise quest]

hordes are incredibly easy to deal with melee only

[civic knot]

Which personality/voice do y'all prefer for male vet?

[delicate moat]

why shooting trash

[sand oracle]

Any idea when the next lineup of premium cosmetics is coming in?

[hollow hinge]

Yeah maybe if you use a longer melee

[gusty bison]

Well a plasma is nice vs rager congo lines and gunners

[ivory aurora]

The shop just rotated no ?

[sand oracle]

Did it?

[wise quest]

bleed grenades are best

[crisp bronze]

With how dense hordes are how is the Kantrael shotgun doing? If I remember right the dragon's breath shot has an absurd amount of cleave right?

[midnight mortar]

Cutthroat. I originally thought I'd prefer Professional, but he's not professional enough and not cold enough for my tastes.

[gusty bison]

Bleed knife shreds hordes...

[hollow hinge]

yeah I use the frag bleed grenades too

[sand oracle]

I don't keep track of it. I just like window shopping because I'm very good at saving money lmao.

[wise quest]

sure, but it feels like it takes forever to kill as opposed to using melee weapon

[hollow hinge]

with regenerating grenades

[gusty bison]

Its actually ok

[plush dragon]

le spam shredder grenades

[gusty bison]

2 fire shells can cripple a horde and weaken the dsngeroud elites in it

[hollow hinge]

grenades are fun

bleed knife is fun

[ivory aurora]

Lol same here. I just look cuz I can’t justify myself buying it. At least not yet

[hollow hinge]

i also played warlock and unholy death knight in WoW

[delicate moat]

pub teammates need to stop running off alone, die, then rage quit

[frank ether]

I found a way to make helbore sharpshootie fun again

[ivory aurora]

So your a nurgle follower ?

[hollow hinge]

dude 100% agree. Happens all the time to me, and it ruins our game

[frank ether]

you pretend like keystone doesnt exist and build like its last patch

[hollow hinge]

Yes actually

[gusty bison]

Ye thats my HB build

[delicate moat]

inquisitor, this person right here

[gusty bison]

Its one of the few non keystone builds i have

[crisp bronze]

Kantrael is basically a shredder grenade you can point and shoot.

[ivory aurora]

I’m a affliction Warlock and blood DK myself. So khorne

[frank ether]

I don't know why I insisted on making the keystone work for so long but I blame all the people insisting its good for gaslighting me lmao

[sand oracle]

Warrior master race

[ivory aurora]

I think the right one is ok but I prefer the middle keystone

[frank ether]

just taking exec as usual and thats easy enough to manage

[gusty bison]

I think the left keystone is bleh for HB

[frank ether]

Its just what angers me with this keystone

they sell it to you as like a sharpshooter thing

[gusty bison]

Cos HB doesnt always go for headshot

[frank ether]

yet its better on fucking

brain damaged

50 IQ

[sand oracle]

Yeah, I love middle one. It's half / half, and offers more versatility in that that I just like.

[frank ether]

recon

or iag

[gusty bison]

I actually really like it on V7

[frank ether]

the people who magdump at hordes use marksman better than helbore

[sand oracle]

25% attack speed and 100% crit chance is pretty good, but so is 30% damage on demand with 10% damage at all times for /everyone/ in your group

[gusty bison]

But yea this is silly.

[frank ether]

They could condition it behind crits condition it behind high damage

[gusty bison]

HB doesnt like it cos u get so many BPs on bodyshots u dont wanna always go for the head

Vraks 7 shreds with it though

[frank ether]

I guess vraks 7 more adaptable but here is the thing

its still bad for optimal surgical use

[gusty bison]

Is it?

[crisp bronze]

I'm too in love with melee vet and weapon specialist to use anything else. The gameplay of melee kill->swap->ranged kill when performed well is so addicting and very effective. I just enjoy it.

[gusty bison]

Vraks 7 runs deadly accurate so you really really want those headshots

[frank ether]

not vraks, the keystone.

[gusty bison]

Oh u mean how fast thr stacks accumulaye

[frank ether]

yeah

[ivory aurora]

What weapons do you prefer with specialist

[gusty bison]

Ohhhhh

I never thought of it that way

[hidden summit]

Hey vet chat. Ogryn here just to give a big thanks for the plasma vets who know how to rock that gun. Kinda insane when you nuke a pack of ragers.

The rest of you picking off snipers and such can count on me having your back.

[gusty bison]

Ye thats silly

[frank ether]

Its just making you play less like a marksman and more like spray and pray guardsman who's on his first day lmao

[shell ginkgo]

No problem big man.

[gusty bison]

Lel

[ivory aurora]

Thanks big man

[frank ether]

I guess the crouch walk thing is meant to adress that

or you can stop and charge it that way

in theory its fine

in practice no

hell no

[gusty bison]

They should make the stacks scale based on the enemy killed

Chaff? 1 stack.

Shooters? 3 stacks.
Elites and specials? 4-5 stacks.

[ivory aurora]

What if I built up to a crit or something?

[frank ether]

I think it should be weapon dependant

thats inconsistent and silly

[gusty bison]

Eh then ur punishing tje people aiming with an IAG

[crisp bronze]

Revolver is the premier choice. Plasma is good too if you want to try doing a whole mission without reloading. I still need to try out some more. I want to see how the Vraks 7 Headhunter does with it. Maybe Agripinaa Braced could work too. It's very versatile. Just don't go too far on the fire rate because the auto reload might not keep up as well.

[frank ether]

and ''bonus dmg sometimes'' would be fine as some random talent but its not fine when its a FUCKING KEYSTONE

[gusty bison]

Nah we are just remarking that the easiest way to get stacks is to magdump a hordr

Which is... stupid

[frank ether]

we have bonus damage sometimes for hellbore already its called deadshot lmao

[hollow turtle]

Finally. A victory. And I didn't bring survivalist because the two vets that had it left before the match even started.

[ivory aurora]

I’ll give it a try today.

How should a vet use a las pistol ? Is it with deadeye ?

[gusty bison]

Vraks 7 is not the greatest with weapon specialist. It relies too much on its crit headshot

[hollow turtle]

I did not know flamethrowers could crit so many times.

[gusty bison]

Tbf helbore is also a poor recipient cos very few things survive a headshot anyway

More overkill damage is bleh

[hollow hinge]

vet needs a heavy bolter

just cuz that'd be fun

[gusty bison]

Can vet even carry a heavy bolter and run around

[ivory aurora]

I would say it should go to Ogryns

[waxen lark]

Melta gun WHEN

[ivory aurora]

Nope lol

[gusty bison]

Yea feels like an ogryn weapon

[crisp bronze]

I'm actually considering doing a melee build with exe stance and the Vraks 7. Simply because I want a melee build with a ranged option that can handle groups of gunners/shooters better than the revolver.

[hollow hinge]

yeah most likely

[gusty bison]

Fair enough on the gunner/shooter

[frank ether]

I'm not saying nerf it for iags I'm saying make the penalties less harsh for slower weapons

[hollow hinge]

there are bolter pistols right?

[gusty bison]

Ah fair that works

[ivory aurora]

We might get that yes

[hollow hinge]

yay

[gusty bison]

Ye bolt pistols.

I wonder how they differentiate it from the revolver though

They gonna be really.similar

[waxen lark]

Replace the Infiltrate combat ability with "Pull out a Meltagun for ten seconds"

[mystic belfry]

More stagger less damage

[ivory aurora]

If anything we might get a Hot shot Volly gun someday. As it’s a las LMG

[mystic belfry]

Probably

[ivory aurora]

Would be fun

[hollow hinge]

the bolter pistol probably will have more penetration and more stopping power

[gusty bison]

Uh.

[ivory aurora]

Man. Zealots get flammer and melta ?

[gusty bison]

No lol

[hollow hinge]

infiltrate is the funnest and best ability for vet

[gusty bison]

Volver penetration is already higher than regular bolter

I dont see the bolt pistol having more pen than the bolter

[hollow hinge]

you dont think the bolter pistol would have more penetration than the revolver?

[waxen lark]

If by best you mean worst 💀

[ivory aurora]

No. It’s a smaller bolter. Less power even tho it’s still powerful

[crisp bronze]

Here is the skill tree for my weird idea if you want to take a look. It's the creation of a melee vet that's tired of all the gunners and shooters. (Me I'm that melee vet)

[hollow hinge]

the base ability is the worst

[gusty bison]

Revolver has higher penetratiom through enemies than bolter.

[frank ether]

there is also that but not going left tree comes with all sorts of issues for hb

[ivory aurora]

Oh well. It would probably explode on impact

[frank ether]

visibility being a big one

[midnight mortar]

The problem is the revolver already outpens the bolter.

[frank ether]

those poor irons and darktide visibility does not mesh well

and then shock trooper is down there on left

[gusty bison]

Missing the BP is another

[frank ether]

I guess the solution rly is to just ignore keystone

[gusty bison]

Tbf HB doesnt need shock trooper

[waxen lark]

Right now the revolver is really really strong and it's difficult to justify taking any other ranged weapon, I hope the other guns get a few buffs

[hollow hinge]

idk it seems like a bolter weapon would shoot through more enemies than a revolver. Atleast lore wise

[frank ether]

Probably not it would be just fine with survivalist

[midnight mortar]

Tell that to Fatshark.

[chrome fiber]

anynoe know how this frame?

[hollow hinge]

I'd love to

[gusty bison]

Bolter is an explosive weapon. It hits a guy and explodes.

[ivory aurora]

Knowing Fatshark they’ll nerf revolver into the ground before that happens

[waxen lark]

Survived the Cadia explosion

[gusty bison]

It doesnt penetrate much

[midnight mortar]

Warhammer+ subscriber frame.

[hollow hinge]

I know, but in the game it still shooters through enemies

[chrome fiber]

oh, thank you

[chrome fiber]

thank you

[ivory aurora]

It dose with light armored ones yes. But once it hits flack it explodes

[waxen lark]

Still waiting on the Shredder variant where you hold one in each hand

[gusty bison]

It has a diamantine tip so like its capable of penning some armor. But its not gonna bang through people like .50 AE would.

Its more like a high veloctiy 40mm grenade

[crisp bronze]

Don't bolter rounds explode inside their target? It should logically have no penetration. I think. Idk.

[dusk idol]

part of the awe of the bolter is that when you’re up against one, seeing your mate literally blow up is terrifying.

[atomic zephyr]

hes right theyre mass reactive

[ivory aurora]

Yea

[waxen lark]

Bolter rounds should overpenetrate soft targets

[ivory aurora]

Didn’t it do that ?

[hollow hinge]

then why does the bolter in game shoot through enemies

[mystic belfry]

Bolter can penetrate

[waxen lark]

It does, I thought you meant on the first thing it hits

[ivory aurora]

I don’t use bolter so I don’t know

[dusk idol]

most of the decisions when it comes to weapons are game design

none of the power weapons need to be activated per swing in lore

[hollow hinge]

I was just trying to think of differences fatshark could do with the bolterpistol versus revolver

[ivory aurora]

I cry.

[gusty bison]

The main issue atm is the revolver plays like a pocket bolter.

[ivory aurora]

Probably faster draw speed maybe a little less recoil

[mystic belfry]

Tbh, I think charged effects would have made more sense and been more natural if they just acted like thrust

[gusty bison]

And their main difference really is clip size vs ammo cap

[gusty bison]

Revolver drawspeed is instant

[mystic belfry]

Amping up the longer you hold power attack

[ivory aurora]

And las pistol

[dusk idol]

the bolt pistol would probably occupy some space between the bolter and revolver, which isn’t that good at the moment since the revolver does what the bolter does but better (except monstrosity damage)

[mystic belfry]

The only think you need to give a bolter pistol to make it quite relevant is AoE stagger

That's worth more than you'd think

[gusty bison]

I guess they can make the bolt pistol do more bodyshot damage.

Which is... meh?

[hollow turtle]

Here's a tough one.
Say I change that Rampage to also Slaughterer 4, which one's better?

[crisp bronze]

Probably too much work to code an entire realistic hard impact fuse thingamajig for the bolter when it's much easier and feels better too just have it penetrate stuff. It's like the Lasguns recoil. They shouldn't have any but the devs added it because they felt like wet noodles even if you vaporised the guy in front of you.

[mystic belfry]

You could also give it high base maniac damage

Thematic and useful

[gusty bison]

I mean volver already 1 taps all maniacs not a mutir

So like, big number yay but practically no diff

[mystic belfry]

Probably 2

And yeah, brutal momentum fucks

[ivory aurora]

I am trying to get a good base sword and put brutal momentum on it. I hear it’s good

[dusk idol]

the only niche revolver doesn’t fill well is oversaturation of targets and monster damage

[ivory aurora]

Well first I need to find BM

[dusk idol]

which doesn’t give the bolt pistol a lot of wiggle room

[mystic belfry]

Eh

[dusk idol]

it’s high but it’s not boltgun high

and you need to land weak spot hits to make it really punch

[ivory aurora]

I use surgical with it stack it to 10 then fire into a week spot

[crisp bronze]

I think instead of a bolt pistol they should add a plasma pistol. More ways to make it feel different to the revolver.

[hollow turtle]

Hmm.. So lets see if I switch it out with brutal momentum..

Dang it. I don't have that one at T4

[ivory aurora]

It’s a revolver. With a chance to explode in my hand! I love it

[dusk idol]

it’s not laspistol with decapitator high

lmao

[mystic belfry]

You only need tier 3 brutal momentum iirc

Though breakpoints might be different now

Weakpoint damage breakpoints would be the main thing

Shouldn't matter for trash, might matter for one or two shots

[ivory aurora]

I need to find any BM but hadron said no 😦

[dusk idol]

but also, missing a shot is 1/5th of your damage potential gone which is punishing

[hollow hinge]

Is the Agripinaa mk8 braced autogun good?

[crisp bronze]

I can imagine it have more ammo and probably an absurd amount of cleave like it's larger cousin. It would also require less aim than the revolver and maybe less crits but taking more shots to kill. More spammy I guess.

[dusk idol]

practically it’s fine, but it won’t one mag dump any monstro, that’s a bolter thing. a bolt pistol would need to be worth using and what could it do better than either weapon?

in the current balance, i suspect little

[hollow turtle]

Lol wait a minute... What is that ammo?!

[dusk idol]

bro’s been sneaking ammo from the armoury

i mean it’s worth a limit test

if you can kill a beast in five rounds then my argument is set that there would be nothing a bolt pistol could provide over a revolver or a bolter

[hollow turtle]

Fun tip: Penance to kill a monster in under 5 seconds is easier to achieve in a Maelstrom weakened monstrosities mission.

[dusk idol]

unless it were just simply stronger than either weapon in stats

[mystic belfry]

Stagger

[midnight mortar]

Left if only because of damage and finesse.

[lusty estuary]

Been mucking about with the Combat Blade recently, there any particular blessings that are like, really good for it? Presently got Flesh Tearer + Smackdown on it, with the plan being to tag out Smackdown for somethin' else. Uncanny Strike or Mercy Killer seemed neat, but figured I'd ask just in case.

[woven coral]

what are the best blessings for the shovel?

saw on reddit posts that decimator is good but what should the second one be?

[gaunt hinge]

I run uncanny & mercy on mine

[delicate moat]

uncanny

[crisp bronze]

Everyone's looking at the Bolt Pistol but the Plasma Pistol is right there! A lot of ways to make it feel and function differently to the revolver. We already have our "pistol but big bullet" we don't need 2.

[terse idol]

[delicate moat]

im getting really tired of carnival every quickplay

[gaunt hinge]

Inb4 plas pistol cant charge or vent

[gusty bison]

Nah we playin tarkov with the 20 AK varianfs

[delicate moat]

it's carnival 5 lobbies in a row, i just want to play a different map pls

[gaunt hinge]

Then pick a different map

[delicate moat]

10% plasteel

[gaunt hinge]

[crisp bronze]

I can imagine a case where the Laspistol is the light spammy pistol, Revolver is the hard hitting handcannon, and the Plasma Pistol could probably fit somewhere inbetween but with it's own unique flavour.

[hollow solstice]

I'm starting to get real tired of playing with psykers, somehow they have the best class in the game but everyone who plays it have tunnel vision and goes down within 2 minutes

[gaunt hinge]

Plas pistol would probably have mad heat generation

Keep its funny anti bulwark shield

[hollow turtle]

I mean. I don't disagree.

[mystic belfry]

Getting my final non-30 class up now

This has to be the craziest node on the game

[gaunt hinge]

Its actually not very good if you want to keep your warp charges

[hollow solstice]

It's getting real tiring having to babysit them because they constantly go down to paril or refuse to pull out their melee because lighting go brr

[crisp bronze]

It would also reload a lot faster than the Plasma Rifle at least. Maybe cost less toughness to vent and vent faster to balance the high heat generation.

[austere mica]

I feel like plasma would either do both but slightly worse than the others or quick aoe blasting

[hollow solstice]

what isnt crazy on psyker!

[hollow hinge]

psyker is a lot of fun

[gaunt hinge]

Eh it can lose vent and have a faster passive cooling

[mystic belfry]

I mean, I'll probably be running shield or scriers gaze

[hollow turtle]

I think they need to understand that they're about as ranged a character as an actual ranged veteran. If they use their staffs, they need to be a good distance away.

[mystic belfry]

I play everything melee heavy

[gaunt hinge]

Trauma staff stomping melees

[mystic belfry]

Blame vermintide

[hollow hinge]

I like using laspistol and assail with psyker

[hollow turtle]

Lol if you've played Sienna, you know how to play a Psyker. For sure.

Even if its unchained sienna.

[gaunt hinge]

Lose hp on quell

[lusty estuary]

Psyker's melee weapons feel infinitely better than Sienna's as well, at least imo

Which is a joy, as it was the main dislike I had for the lass in V2.

[hollow turtle]

the crow bill was fun.

[austere mica]

almost all of vermintides weapons feel better

[gaunt hinge]

I never bought any dlc so fire sword was all i used

[mystic belfry]

I'm using brainburst

[austere mica]

or atleast more set apart from eachother

[mystic belfry]

Yeah.

[hollow turtle]

Speaking of Sienna, I do want to see her new career skill in action.

[mystic belfry]

or at least a decent chunk

[hollow hinge]

unchained was my favorite imo

[mystic belfry]

Necromancer is pretty cool

[lusty estuary]

It was decent, but with everything else feeling mediocre at best, it just wasn't enough.

[mystic belfry]

Not nearly as good as Battle Wizard, but only WHC competes there

[crisp bronze]

How about drakegun bardin? That's where I learned heat management. Psyker was my first to 30 but now I'm a vet main.

[austere mica]

nothing in vermintide will ever get close to thunderhammer but having multiple classes of a single weapon that are only slightly different increases variety, but makes every weapon feel less unique

[mystic belfry]

I like every sienna besides pyro tbh

[hollow hinge]

i wish skaven were in WH40k

[dim citrus]

Necromancer is tied to my favourite Sienna class

[hollow hinge]

always play skaven in total war warhammer 3, or chaos dwarves

[lusty estuary]

Necro fun is it?

[austere mica]

yeah pretty much

[mystic belfry]

Drakegun is meh. Grudge raker is great though

[dim citrus]

Yeah Pyro just doesn't feel distinct enough

[gaunt hinge]

Me playing hammer and shield bardin spamming push attacks

[dim citrus]

Why play Pyro when BW exists

[mystic belfry]

The new scythe is dope for unchained

[lusty estuary]

The scythe does seem neat.

Not got the DLC so ain't had much of a reason to hop back on V2 sadly.

[hollow turtle]

I was gatling Bardin+rifle when I played him, and Bounty Hunter Saltzpyre with revolver pistol was my main. So naturally, veteran was my go to choice when DarkTide released.

[lusty estuary]

Does seem neat though.

[mystic belfry]

It's nice, but you need some attack speed for it through some method imo

[austere mica]

why yes I'd like to remove the only flaw from my horde dps machine

[mystic belfry]

Vermintide character dlcs are cheap af

[kindred vapor]

Are the pc only cosmetics not out yet?

[austere mica]

I like every dlc character

[mystic belfry]

Necromancer is like 4usd

[hollow turtle]

I never got the grail knight DLC. Just wasn't my kind of playstyle. Makes absolute sense why I don't like playing zealot.

[crisp bronze]

I agree. That's where I learned heat/peril management but I actually mained outcast engi. Was pretty good at it too! Had a lot of missions where I had the least friendly fire. As outcast engi.

[austere mica]

I love Grail Knight, favorite kruber class

[mystic belfry]

I learned heat manegmant on Sienna :v

[austere mica]

both of his weapons feel so good to use

[hollow turtle]

Nah. Troll Torpedo.

That was the equivalent of the Ogryn Frag

[lusty estuary]

🤷 Luxury though ayit. Not in any rush to buy it given I'm mainly playing Darktide besides rn.

[mystic belfry]

I like every kruber tbh

[surreal mountain]

Based pfp

[austere mica]

I can use every kruber

he's the only character I can do that on

[mystic belfry]

Huntsman is a bit more dull than the other three though

[lusty estuary]

Aye, Kruber ain't got a bad class. Merc/Grail Knight are probably my favorites by a decent margin, but rocking out the Longbow on Huntsman is nice for a break from them every so often

[austere mica]

gets to use the spear though

[mystic belfry]

Ye

[lusty estuary]

Think I played FK the least honestly.

[dim citrus]

The only one I have an issue with is DRG Bardin but because it's the class that is the most "We have to learn to play around me"

[austere mica]

yeah

[mystic belfry]

Grail is my favorite, but I don't think I could pick between merc and foot soldier

[austere mica]

but you should be playing with your team anyway

[mystic belfry]

Bardin my favorite is ranger vet by a wide margin

[crisp bronze]

You just made me think about something. The Rumbler has a sticky nade blessing but why not an impact nade blessing?

[dim citrus]

So its the least casual and playing with bots is a nightmare

[lusty estuary]

The attack speed passive is too much of a dopamine rush

[mystic belfry]

Bardin with clockwork pistol or grudge raker is dope

[lusty estuary]

Hard to part with it honestly.

[hollow turtle]

If I wasn't playing Saltzpyre BH, or Bardin OE, I was playing.. ||Kerillian Waystalker or Handmaiden.||

[dim citrus]

That's my favourite Bardin and using the pisol with ult deletes everything

[lusty estuary]

not a shade enjoyer

smh bro

[mystic belfry]

I really really like the reworked sister of thorns elf

[austere mica]

Big Iron RV cucks every single monster, Fuck you skarrik, you're next

[hollow turtle]

XD Clearly, I didn't like engaging in heavy melee.

And now I'm stuck as a veterain main.

[mystic belfry]

heh

[lusty estuary]

Last time I was playing Vermintide I think Shade was basically all I was playing, with a splash here and there

[dim citrus]

I love Kerillian, she's is my main
I do not like playing Shade

[mystic belfry]

Bounty hunter is my favorite saltz

[austere mica]

bounty hunter with shotguns is the only class I can clutch with

[mystic belfry]

Rapier, crossbow

[lusty estuary]

had a friend that basically only played Grail Knight/Slayer, so I was forced into a role that could at least do some sniping whilst fending for myself

[crisp bronze]

Masterwork Pistol walked so that the current Revolver could karkin sprint a marathon.

[hollow turtle]

Revolver pistol go BRRRT

[austere mica]

same but also warrior priest

[lusty estuary]

Sword+Dagger and Longbow always worked a treat.

[dim citrus]

WHC is pretty good too

[mystic belfry]

I don't like zealot just because of annoying anti-synergy, but it's great for true solo

otherwise I like all saltz

[lusty estuary]

WHC was easily my fav Saltzpyre class

[dim citrus]

Also I'm disappointed there's no dual pistols in Darktide

[lusty estuary]

Witch hunt is just a neat mechanic.

[mystic belfry]

WHC is probably the second strongest class in the game

[austere mica]

"pretty good too", my brother in sigmar he is the strongest class

[lusty estuary]

What would you have at the top, GK?

[mystic belfry]

Battle Wizard

[lusty estuary]

Really? Fair enough.

[hollow turtle]

Kruber Huntsman was also pretty dang fun. Maybe that's why I play Infil Veteran.

[mystic belfry]

GK isn't even the strongest Kruber tbh

[austere mica]

battle wizard is insane

[lusty estuary]

Depends on the content I guess

[mystic belfry]

Merc is the strongest Kruber

[lusty estuary]

the constant stream of potions is huge

[austere mica]

GK doesn't get a top spot because no ranged weapon

[dim citrus]

Yeah any pure melee can't count

[mystic belfry]

Gk is great, he's just not the best

[austere mica]

he needs a ranger to back him up

[dim citrus]

Though all you need is bombs

[lusty estuary]

I guess it comes down to the content/circumstances we're discussing

[dim citrus]

One time I got the most ranged kills due to infinite bomb spam in Wastes

[mystic belfry]

GK is fine, you just need to be either good enough to true solo or have special killing team mates

[austere mica]

I got GK purified just today

[mystic belfry]

There was a while I was doing true solo cata on GK, but I'd be way to fucking rusty for that now

[austere mica]

3 more missions until the silly hippo helmet

[lusty estuary]

In a solely class-by-class with no expectations on what others are playing I can see it not being the top slot

but in organized play where you can decide on that stuff I'd have it there personally.

[mystic belfry]

Nah, Merc can do a lot of what GK does, and also is better horde, and can special snipe

[austere mica]

Doesn't GK have the fastest thp printer in the game

[mystic belfry]

He does

Stagger + shield

[austere mica]

I love brett shield

[mystic belfry]

Regular sword and shield + exec is my GK cata build

Not brett shield

[austere mica]

I just needed to know if anyone could do it better

[dim citrus]

Just curious do you prefer the temp HP or shield bar as a system

[mystic belfry]

THP

[austere mica]

they both work well for their games

[mystic belfry]

But this

[lusty estuary]

I'd say I prefer THP just because the toughness bar mechanics aren't as immediately apparent

[dim citrus]

Hence prefer and not better

[mystic belfry]

Toughness has some really anoying functions, like bleed through on melee, or instantly losing all toughness from fire

[crisp bronze]

Grail Knight, Slayer*, Warrior Priest, and Necro Sienna with the shotgun staff. Because who cares about ranged specials?

[mystic belfry]

THP is just white HP

[austere mica]

in a shooter heavy enviornment you NEED toughness not to get obliterated, but in vermintide you are much more capable of avoiding hits and can use temp hp to build momentum

[mystic belfry]

... Outcast is a special killing machine if you want him to be

handgun, clockwork pistol, or trollhammer torpedo and his minigun

[austere mica]

we don't talk about GPS

[hollow turtle]

You know what I miss from VT2? The gutter runner. I preferred getting assassinated by him out of nowhere far more than getting pounced by a stupid poxhound.

[mystic belfry]

Shotgun can special kill to a decent distance too

[lusty estuary]

Aye, basically this. Afaik there's no in-game way of understanding these functions without experiencing and noticing them yourself as well. Which isn't necessarily a huge problem, just... Frustrating if you view it (reasonably so I'd say) as a "This needs to be broken before I can get hurt" buffer y'know.

[hollow turtle]

and you couldn't tell where he was coming from.

[austere mica]

bluntsman

I love that that name works

[mystic belfry]

Hmm?

I mean Sienna shotgun staff

Krubers shotgun is poo

[crisp bronze]

Said Outcast meant Slayer! Woops! Got that crankgun on me mind!

[hollow turtle]

Lol the blunderbuss.

[mystic belfry]

Ah :v

[hollow turtle]

Very bleh.

[mystic belfry]

Blunderbuss is actual garbage

[lusty estuary]

Aye.

[mystic belfry]

Grudger Raker shreds though

[austere mica]

it somehow works with huntsman, kind of

you're gimping yourself a fair bit though

[dim citrus]

Oh that's why fire does that

[mystic belfry]

Grudge Raker Ranger Veteran is one of my favorite builds in the game, and my favorite bardin

[stuck bridge]

Griffon foot melta pistols when

[lusty estuary]

Kruber's ranged in general are pretty dog compared to some of the other options available. Basically felt forced into Handgun or Repeater on him, or Longbow on Huntsman.

[mystic belfry]

Longbow is really good, just not a big huntsman fan

[stuck bridge]

Handgun huntsman was my favorite for cata+

[austere mica]

I have a red grudge raker, drake gun, and crossbow and nothing else red on bardin

[dim citrus]

Aren't they the same mechnically?

[lusty estuary]

Aye, the Longbow slaps and does crazy damage

[austere mica]

a sign from the stars to play RV

[mystic belfry]

Close, kinda.

[lusty estuary]

It being attached to solely the Huntsman is the issue there.

[hollow turtle]

Give Huntsman Kruber his rifle, and you can kill an armored patrol on your own if you know how to chain headshots.

[crisp bronze]

I like Grudge on Outcast. Let's you use the crankgun armor pierce talent for once.

[mystic belfry]

I'd rather run normal crankgun and trollhammer

If I want armor damage

[austere mica]

I love turning skaven patrols into soup with the free strength pots and GK sweep

[mystic belfry]

I like the crankgun that instantly fires at max RPM

[dim citrus]

If Kruber had a Kislevite career I want Gunaxes

[terse idol]

Look grudge raker when people joked about it looking like a plasma gun was good enough for me
For the red skin of course

[crisp bronze]

Mr. Worldwide

[dusk idol]

@formal lake did you manage to test the revolver?

[terse idol]

I think there were plenty of okay options

And you had funni outcast and built in minigun

[hollow turtle]

Oh man. Saltzpyre BH special with 50% cooldown on headshot+ability potion=endless special ability spam to monster head.

[mystic belfry]

I usually would run clockwork, handgun, or trollahmmer on outcast

You could run other sutff but eh

[austere mica]

Today on vet chat: they finally stop bitching for a second because the vermintide players come over and just steal the whole place

[mystic belfry]

40% cooldown, and it triggers on each pellet, so it's 80% cooldown

[unborn umbra]

out of all the infantry autoguns which is currently the best?

[mystic belfry]

+10% cooldown from gear ,and then purple pot

[mystic belfry]

Columnus

[hollow turtle]

Lol perfect heavy killer.

[mental parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIfcfCQgRtM

[lusty estuary]

People love the Columnus, melts things up close.

[unborn umbra]

thanks for the info!

[mystic belfry]

Ye

I will say

[austere mica]

I love big iron bounty hunter but I can't aim for shit

[mystic belfry]

Playing with psyker staves makes me miss Sienna so much

They feel trash here in comparison

Not like, in function. Just feel.

[lusty estuary]

I think some of them feel meatier in terms of SE at least

but ye, I do miss my Bolt Staff

[austere mica]

Purgatus being good feels weird

[mystic belfry]

Bolt Staff be bolting

Campfire staff too

Beamstaff aight

[lusty estuary]

Beam staff ain't been the same since the nerfs way back when

[terse idol]

Look its... relevant

Talking bout ranged weapons

Vet has ranged weapons

[austere mica]

I use beam because I dislike coru out of principle and I like having an armor highlighter way to much to try bolt

[dim citrus]

There is no such thing as Vermin-players no-no, all a myth

There's no ratplayers in the Imperium

[naive hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/ratling-gun-total-war-warhammer-ratling-guns-skaven-ratmen-gif-19626638

[crisp bronze]

I have a level 30 psyker in my basement who I don't play anymore and I loved the Purgatus. My build was Deimos, Purgatus, Brain Rupture, Venting Shriek, and Empowered Psionics. Worked pretty well. Weakness was groups of basic shooters which is my melee vets current weakness lol.

[austere mica]

I just sprint at them and hope with my shovel, works well enough

[dim citrus]

I like to imagine him just living in the basement of the Mourningstar

[crisp bronze]

The Emperor protects eh? I use that strat too. A smoke can help a lot. Toss it on them and run in.

[dim citrus]

Meanwhile I cannot get a good feel of Beam and use Coru to buff up skeletons

Bolt is good

[austere mica]

I have seen a single person with smoke grenades in like 90 hours, and they didn't use them

"smoke grenade enjoyer is typing"

[onyx tusk]

ha

[dim citrus]

Whats the point of a smoke grenade when frak exists

[austere mica]

they needed a third I guess

[delicate moat]

i love when enemies inside ur teammate hits u

[dim citrus]

Why not a slow grenade

Some sort of trap

[austere mica]

flashbangs

wait

nevermind

[dim citrus]

Oh yeah

Well

I'm thinking more like a AOE on the floor

[austere mica]

fire

[dim citrus]

A horde runs in and is slowed

[austere mica]

oh

also fire

[dim citrus]

Yeah...

Honestly I'd trade a grenade slot for a second ranged weapon with limited ammo

[hollow hinge]

what are some good perks for plasma rifle

[austere mica]

is that where plasma pistol would fit in?

[hollow hinge]

oh bro plasma pistol would be LIT

[atomic zephyr]

shout plasma gun on vent purge is pain

can’t see shit, can’t hit shit

[dim citrus]

Maybe I dunno, instead of grenades we get unique weapon abilities

[atomic zephyr]

on the bright side it was my grenadier loadout so it wasn’t a problem

[dim citrus]

Whip out a plasma pistol for a bit

[austere mica]

EMP grenades that go fast and brick specials and shooters?

[bitter turtle]

hear me out guys

what about a knife you can throw

🤔

jk

[crisp bronze]

Blaze Away and Gets Hot! are best for the meta plasma playstyle right now. At least the most common playstyle. No charge shots, full unga bunga left click/right trigger.

[dim citrus]

No, an axe

[austere mica]

You're kidding me

[dim citrus]

Give me Kratos' axe for Vet

[hollow hinge]

Thanks hun

[bright coyote]

give smoke nades an extra base 5 seconds and i might finally try them

[gusty bison]

What about a gun that shoots knives on a stick

[hollow hinge]

what about krieg spear anti tank bombs

[delicate moat]

so assail staff?

[austere mica]

Lunge mine as a weapon would be hilarious

[placid portal]

but will self down on use

[crisp bronze]

We. Need. A. Melta. Gun. I want to point at a crusher and not only kill it, I want to vaporize it.

[hollow hinge]

double barrel plasma gun

[placid portal]

*Ogryn gets the melta

[hollow hinge]

100% agree

if ogryn gets the melta i am gonna shit talk all ogryn players

[placid portal]

veteran gets the Super shotgun

[hollow hinge]

i'd rather the psyker get it than the ogryn

[onyx tusk]

Vet gets Melta.

[placid portal]

[austere mica]

and then they are going to vaporize you

[onyx tusk]

Ogryn gets a Multi-melta

[hollow hinge]

nah as a human commisar, I am their superior

i get to shit talk them

[austere mica]

the catachan ogryn in question:

[placid portal]

[hollow hinge]

when do we get to fight khorne cultists

[austere mica]

never, cause they're boring

[placid portal]

when smoke bombs cause infighting

[hollow hinge]

smoke bombs need a buff

[crisp bronze]

If any class gets a Melta I expect it to be the Zealot to be honest. It works with the whole fire theme they got going on and could be their counterpart to the vets Plasma Rifle. Vets could probably get a Power Fist for a counterpart to the Crusher or Thunderhammer.

[placid portal]

Smoke bombs are based in Carnival map

[hollow hinge]

vets need a power claw

[placid portal]

that is the fact I cannot deny

[hollow hinge]

double power claw

[placid portal]

no

Give ogryn Power Dust Knuckles

[hollow hinge]

AAAAH

[placid portal]

[hollow hinge]

brass knuckles would be sick for ogryn

[vivid cedar]

what is the current hellbore metta?

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-punch-punching-heavy-punch-funny-gif-16174728530812610060

[hollow hinge]

helbore 2

lemme look at mine 1 sec

[placid portal]

Mk3 if nice if you wanna merc a guy in 1 shot

[austere mica]

I know it’s possible to simulate fists ogryn by using weapon customization mod and turning a shield all the way off

[crisp bronze]

I want to punch a crusher to death with a Power Fist.

[hollow hinge]

helbore 2 is good for both regular enemies and specials and elites. but helbore 3 is amazing for the elites

but helbore 3 is very slow

helbore 2 is super super fast

[bright coyote]

dont know what a melta is but if vets dont get the best ranged weapon ill b so salty

[vivid cedar]

what blessings would you reccomend?

[placid portal]

Surgical + Onslaught

[hollow hinge]

yeah

[placid portal]

Greatest combo for mk3

[hollow hinge]

Onslaught for any helbore

[placid portal]

mk3 gets more bang for buck

I always think of mk3 lucius as a longbow

[cloud basin]

makes sense considering the charge up

[hollow hinge]

remember if you use a helbore

use bayonet

and only wear the krieg armor

and shovel melee

[crisp bronze]

A Melta is a short range energy weapon that basically melts anything into slag. Similer to the flamer but much much better against armor. A normal Melta can take down tanks if it gets close enough.

[hollow hinge]

flamer pistol when

[crisp bronze]

Melta pistols do exist but are extremely rare I believe. Meaning it makes perfect sense for a rogue trader inquisitorial warband to hand them to a bunch of former-convicts-turned-adepts.

[hollow hinge]

Oh I see

[crisp bronze]

Same amount of sense as all the other crazy stuff we got.

Like plasma, or power swords, and thunderhammers. All of these are powerful enough to kill a space marine and we just get handed them. They are rather shoddy broken ones though to be fair.

[hollow hinge]

yeah i thought of that

like the thunderhammers

[rough igloo]

Double Power claws and double Power Fists.

[crisp bronze]

Imagine if the Power Sword and Thunderhammer in-game were simply activated all the time, that's how they are in lore. Ours are broken and not working right. Power Cycler is basically a Sword that's a little less broke lol. The ones we get come refurbished from fallen soldiers on battlefields elsewhere.

[rough igloo]

I will make my Guardsman character called "Little Mach" with power fists

[orchid nova]

Don't you just love when it turns out you accidentally completed one of the really annoying achievements?

[dusk jacinth]

i got that on a mission i remember getting hit on

it was the mission with the servo skull colony

[orchid nova]

I think it only counts if you take hp damage

[dusk jacinth]

and i was sitting in the window overlooking da whole arena

it was a smack on my ass!!

a dreg smacked my back

i saw my health go down!!

still got it doe...

[orchid nova]

Personally I think it was when my game was crashing constantly

so I got it for rejoining late

[old carbon]

is maniac damage or flak armor dmg more important on a plasma gun

help quick

trying to replace the 3 star perk

[serene sage]

I heard flak doesn't help break points

So maniac it is

[dusky flare]

what break points does maniac help

[blazing veldt]

disablers/ragers

flamers are pretty easy without maniacs

[dusky flare]

huh?

[blazing veldt]

oh and muties

[dusky flare]

so what break points do maniac help with

[devout atlas]

alright so. are any of the tac axes worth it since I've noticed a lot of them can proc BMomentum very reliably with the 30% Weakpoint which makes me wanna build one for Vet

[dusky flare]

plasma's always gonna have some obscure breakpoints once you factor in head vs body and exe stance and all that stuff, not worth speccing into

[finite imp]

Antax is good

[dusky flare]

antax is a caxe

[finite imp]

Idk what caxe means

[devout atlas]

yeah I wanna see if I can make a tacaxe work because the dodge would go hard

[finite imp]

Speak human

[dusky flare]

there is no antax tac axe

[devout atlas]

combat axe

[dusk idol]

combat axe

[finite imp]

Gotcha

[devout atlas]

maybe that one tacaxe with those sweeping heavies could be nice

[dusky flare]

tac axes have 0 stamina

like negative stamina

[devout atlas]

idgaf i could use it on a 9 stam deadshot build

[dusky flare]

lol

[devout atlas]

i just wanna make it work for fun

[finite imp]

I'm surprised at how bad the axe move set is for horde clears. You'd think there would be more cleave and sweeping

[devout atlas]

imma just buy every tacaxe after i get back home and see how it feels with bm

the dodge would be really nice

[finite imp]

Yeah really it's gonna be down to your pref

[blazing veldt]

post-patch catachan IV is my favorite

[finite imp]

The ole double tap

[devout atlas]

what's even the purpose for the tacaxes special

it seems ass

[finite imp]

Stun

Moves like that tend to have high stun

[blazing veldt]

the catachans are all really good now

[finite imp]

Like the knifes punch

[devout atlas]

maybe it can doink ragers

[finite imp]

I feel like a mf samurai

[finite imp]

Yeah

If you pop them in the face it gives you just enough time to finish them

[devout atlas]

idk I just wanna try em since they have nutty dodge while with BM they will horde-clear probably ok

better than cknife at least

[flint garden]

when im two feet away from a psyker and instead of getting me out of the net they let a flamethrower roast me and blow up a barrel in my face

[devout atlas]

rashad is alright but it's slow and the dodge is mid

[placid portal]

bro I tried using axe vs muties but realised you do more damage per hit with lightsvs heavies

[devout atlas]

same against ragers

the heavies are just better for carapace ig

[placid portal]

Fair enough

Heavies with 1 crit can 4 hit crushers

[devout atlas]

rashads special attack is ass too

[placid portal]

Yea it has too much delay

[devout atlas]

and barely any stun

yall remember when tacaxe was op on release

the good old days 👴

[flint garden]

aint the heavies ass against anything other than carapace and unyielding

[devout atlas]

yeah lmao

ugh fuck why do I have 12 hours of uni on saturday and half the classes I've already passed

[dusk idol]

they’re ass into maniac but good into everything else

[devout atlas]

I just wanna kill heretics

[dusk idol]

good damage I should say, never heavy a horde

shit will not work out

[devout atlas]

I mean there's that one axe with a perfectly horizontal heavy I think

nobody ever recommends it tho

[placid portal]

The Antax?

[devout atlas]

I wonder if it's any good

[dusk idol]

the achlys? I don’t think it has a horizontal heavy

[placid portal]

Probs the most horizontal swing pattern for lights

[dusk idol]

it doesn’t have that either

[devout atlas]

the uhh brown orange fireaxe looking one

[flint garden]

achlys heavy 1 and push heavy are horizontal but itll chain verts

[placid portal]

ye that's the achlys

[dusk idol]

ah yeah that’s right

[placid portal]

Rashad With the funny horizontal push attack

but it does have horizontal attack at light 3

[devout atlas]

so with block cancels or qq cancels it'd work huh

or h1 pa loop

[mystic belfry]

Achyls can just use lights for hordes

With some push attacks mixed in

Also holy shit, I'm leveling up a psyker on malice right now

And I'm having to hard carry more than half of my games

Everyone is just dropping like flies nonstop

[cobalt wedge]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I found a weird bug

[dusky flare]

you can stunlock a mutie out of charge in one hit to the head

[cobalt wedge]

When I equip a braced autogun, the only button that exists is my left mouse button

[devout atlas]

alr I'm defo building a tacaxe now

[delicate moat]

sorry, but ur mission was aborted due to an unexpected error

[drifting oak]

the special is the same as a lot of other weapon spceials

[dusky flare]

it's genuinely amusing how muties run straight through plasma shots but one bonk from sharp brown stick and they go "where am i?"

[drifting oak]

they have stagger that ignores "during-attack-stagger-immunity"

normally when enemies enter an attack animation they gain a large multiplier of stagger res

many "weird' weapon specials explicitly ignore this, mainly axes but dueling sword too I think

so that rager is mid combo, special it, it goes into hardstagger

crusher mid overhead, special it, it goes into hardstagger

and yeah, the dankest one is interrupting mutie charge

but their stagger res is so high it has to be a headshot

[dusky flare]

rashad can't do it sadly

[drifting oak]

so good luck

[cobalt wedge]

Tbh, I often find my best bet when being rushed by rager, get close enough they start melee animation, then dodge slide backwards and shoot em to hell

Or just kite them with a bleed knife

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-shoot-harrison-ford-nope-gif-11523430

[cobalt wedge]

Real, I was the meat on that stand

[placid portal]

based

[devout atlas]

or take multiple voidstrike surge crits but one rapier stab makes them crump

[devout atlas]

I'm just looking for a more interesting weapon with some skill expression

rashad is so fucking boring man

[cobalt wedge]

Tac knife

[devout atlas]

tac knife lacks clear on vet

that's why I'm considering tacaxes

also it's called combat knife lol

[cobalt wedge]

Yes, hence the need for skill with it

But, tbh, I use Tac Knife sparingly

[devout atlas]

nerd emoji

[cobalt wedge]

I run Infiltrate braced autogun tac knife and krak grenades

Knife for mobility and situational, krak for heavies, and autogun for clear

[devout atlas]

I only use cknife on my lawbringer

but I wanna get a good tac on it instead

[cobalt wedge]

Fair, it is best on em

Idk, I never much liked Tac Axes, but I know they can get nutty strong

[devout atlas]

until you get surrounded from each side with 0 shredders and off cd

[old carbon]

tac axes suck because its 40k and its mad boring to be the guy using basic axe

[devout atlas]

thats why half of this channel uses a rashad because they have the most interesting moveset

tacaxes are fun and I wanna make em work specially since vets weakpoint talent seems to be enough to propel it into usability thru BM

just gotta figure out which is the best tacaxe for this

[cobalt wedge]

Idk, thinking about it, asides from Tac Knife and Axes, all the other weapons that come to mind are real easy to use

For Veteran

Power Sword and Chainsword dummy easy

Swords got decent movesets

Shovels kind of eh (imo)

[junior needle]

Tell this to my psword vets that go down trying to charge it

damnation+ btw

[cobalt wedge]

I feel like Powersword kinda falls off after Difficulty 4 tbh

Like, hard

It just don't cleave the same way

[shrewd lagoon]

It kills poxwalkers, which is what it is for

shitter enemies

[junior needle]

BM is currently floating its killing power massively

Due to giving first target damage on multiple targets

So you can kill multiple more targets per swing

[cobalt wedge]

BM?

[junior needle]

brutal momentum

[cobalt wedge]

Ah, ye

I haven't stopped using my knife for so long tbh, I barely know talents

[junior needle]

I still think it feels like dogshit to use

[robust drum]

Anyone know if Sustained Fire works with consecutive charged shots?

[junior needle]

And that the charging should be reworked mechanically

[cobalt wedge]

I mean, in Lore, aren't Power Swords kind of, always on

[junior needle]

If your recoil is resetting, unlikely

[delicate moat]

dude whyyy do these AM teammates move so slowwww

[junior needle]

That's a garbo tier blessing on helbores, dunno why it's there

[robust drum]

darn, I naively thought it would work and suspect I've half bricked the thing. oh well

[near mural]

Is the On Overwatch Penance kinda stinky?

[junior needle]

Always good to ask if you don't know, but most things will be dying well before you reach the 3-4 shot mark on them

Even if it did work on charged

[devout atlas]

yeah I'd say the most skill expression weapons are Crusher, Cknife, mk3 club, stabby knife for ogryn, dswords, most fswords other than the horde-clear one, tacaxes, uhhh maybe eviscerator lmao

dclaw4 just for parry ig

[delicate moat]

like my teammates don't push at all and die of ammo and health starvation

[cobalt wedge]

I'd agree with those

[devout atlas]

too many ppl waste time on infinite respawning enemies or shoot every pox walker and run out of ammo instantly

[junior needle]

stabby knife for ogryn
Me literally just spamming light attacks forever with it

[cobalt wedge]

Omg I had that happen to me yesterday

We had to get to the elevator, me and my buddy in VC

The two randoms

[delicate moat]

like, before the current wave is fully done, the next wave is already here

[cobalt wedge]

Sat in the middle of the room

OF INFINITE ENEMIES

AND KEPT FIGHTING

[delicate moat]

JUST PUSH please

[devout atlas]

push attack into light heavy loop for horde-clear

heavy 1 cancel for strikedown and anti mutie

[blazing veldt]

recon lasgun vets when they run out of ammo shooting the poxburster you were shoving

[devout atlas]

l1 l2 cancel for carapace dps

[umbral scaffold]

Recon lasgun vets when they run out of ammo shooting

[devout atlas]

I saw a recon vet yesterday that didn't use melee yet didn't pick up any ammo once and got most kills which astonished me

[cobalt wedge]

Didn't Recon Lasgun just get nerfed to hell last patch?

[devout atlas]

they used the middle of the road reconlas tooo

the green one

[mystic belfry]

Non of the axess offer much there

[forest blaze]

My favorite

[junior needle]

The light attacks cover literally all of that, must be trying to scrape every bit of possible usage out of it

[devout atlas]

tacaxes seem more interesting

[mystic belfry]

A litle bit, but not all that much

[devout atlas]

l3 bounces off carapace

[junior needle]

l1-l2-special punch to stagger-repeat

[mystic belfry]

Try claw sword mk 4

[devout atlas]

that's a way to cancel yeah

you can up the dps by sprint cancelling or qq

if u want

I do it cus I like fun

[junior needle]

Sprint canceling you say

[umbral scaffold]

Buff recon lasgun back to where it was during patch 13 or something PLEASE

It was truly my favorite

[devout atlas]

I already use it non stop on my zealot I want smth new on Vet uwahhh

[cobalt wedge]

Recon Lasgun is so fun but it's the same as how I feel about Powersword high difficulties, it just feels like it falls off

[mystic belfry]

Dagger, power sword 6

[junior needle]

Yes, even the ones that weren't good got sizable indirect nerfs. 6d got that and sizable direct nerfs. The 2 got small direct buffs but it barely budged the shit dps.

[mystic belfry]

Shovel is useful but simple

[devout atlas]

psword 6 is boring and I want good dodge with better hclear than cknife

[karmic musk]

Whew cleared Ogryn weeklies, time to play a real class Veteran

[devout atlas]

shovel is good but doesn't fit every build of mine

[mystic belfry]

Bleed knife

[delicate moat]

POV: you came to the wrong neighbourhood

[devout atlas]

I wanna make tacaxe work

idgaf

[mystic belfry]

Powersword 6 is boring? lol

[devout atlas]

yes

[mystic belfry]

Martyr is the best setup for tac axe

[devout atlas]

also shit dodge

[cobalt wedge]

I like Bleed knife

[delicate moat]

i hate the dodge on ps6

[umbral scaffold]

I feel the power sword is pretty easy to use especially with pc4

[mystic belfry]

You can use it on vet but there's nothing going for it really

[cobalt wedge]

Gives me a way to kill thick boys if I somehow have no Krak grenade

[cobalt wedge]

pc4?

[delicate moat]

i've come to like frags over kraks for mixed hordes

[devout atlas]

Weakpoint damage bonus seems enough to allow BM to work and I like the dodge plus the special isn't useless like Rashads

idc if its not meta imma make it work

[umbral scaffold]

I think I got a good knife roll I was initially disappointed that it was under the 370 limit but it has the rending and repeated weak spot blessing both of which are apparently god rolls for the cknife

[devout atlas]

it's fun

[umbral scaffold]

Power cycler 4

[cobalt wedge]

I may have to try that

[umbral scaffold]

PC4 gives you 2 extra charged hits

Pc3 one hit

[delicate moat]

sure, krak is good for maybe 2 or 3 crushers bunched up and bosses, but frags make so much space

they're both good, i just prefer frags now

[cobalt wedge]

Ye, I run Grenade regen, and infiltrate so if I ever get into truly sticky situations I slip away

[umbral scaffold]

Oh yeah and the crushers have to be so close knit to get that splash damage, and there’s a bug that sometimes you don’t get any damage just knock back

[cobalt wedge]

So I guess space not as needed

[delicate moat]

sometimes you can't move because director spawned shit around you

[umbral scaffold]

I heard infil goes well with underhand grenades unless they fixed it

Has to be underhand specifically not sure why

[cobalt wedge]

Huh

Sounds interesting

[junior needle]

Doc did something similar, but with quite a lot of melee damage and it's hard to say how much of those special/elite kills were melee for certain. He's leveraging damage boosts, marksman (20% power on headshots after using ult for 10s), and a high amount of effort for constant headshots to make up for the guns poor baseline performance.

[umbral scaffold]

You don’t go out of infil if you underhand nades

[cobalt wedge]

Ooooooh, ok, interesting

[cobalt wedge]

What's that mod called btw?

[delicate moat]

i've started blasting music during AMs because the sound is so fked

[umbral scaffold]

Scoreboard

[cobalt wedge]

Well that should be easy to find

[umbral scaffold]

I think it’s a different variant that shows the extra info but you get most of the info with the basic variant

[umbral scaffold]

This karker was running around me while I was playing today

[junior needle]

Looks like ovenproofs scoreboard plugin and of course the scoreboard. Just noticed that ranged/melee is actually broken down at the bottom, thought that one didn't do it.

[umbral scaffold]

I lost because of his scaly feet (not because I am bad I promise)

Anyone wanna team up with me? I like to think I’m not a total dreg in AM damnation

[delicate moat]

which region, i may just be desperate enough with these pub teammates to join

[umbral scaffold]

NA west usually but I’m currently in Colorado, don’t know if that counts as Midwest

[junior needle]

You can easily pull off no ammo pickups and similar/better numbers using an infantry lasgun and basically no headshots whatsoever, didn't even have a keystone for this or any typed damage boosts.

Which goes to show just how far behind the recons are when a supreme lazyman bodyshot setup can casually beat high effort headshotting.

[umbral scaffold]

My mom says I’m handsome

[devout atlas]

frags all the way but not for hordes. they're amazing for securing revives, stumbling crushers/bulwarks for safe melee, they also make groups of ragers and maulers significantly easier

[cobalt wedge]

Thank ya

[frank ether]

I wouldn't call recons high effort but infantry las have some ugly recoil that I feel like shouldn't be there unless you're capping the RoF

[autumn perch]

She lied

[umbral scaffold]

Yes you’re right I’m gorgeous

[autumn perch]

[cobalt wedge]

80%+ Stability helps a lot with that

For a lot of Vet weapons

[frank ether]

80 is the cap, there is no +

[cobalt wedge]

Could of sworn I've seen an 81 or 2

Just getting back into the game

[umbral scaffold]

Isn’t there a setting under accessibility that makes the visual recoil a bit better

[cobalt wedge]

Took a break after beta for a while

[umbral scaffold]

I prefer it because it looks more like shooting a real rifle when you have your technique right, like a trained soldier who’s survived countless battles would

[junior needle]

I wouldn't either, but doc was trying to make every shot a headshot to pull blood from the stone with it using the talent tree. I strolled through a hi5 with a ghost/infernus lasgun and a goofy testing build and did no ammo pickups without a sweat, and ended up matching or exceeding the numbers with plenty to spare.

It was to make a point that the gun was still bad, he was just leveraging the tree to compensate for it.

Also very much agree, stability seems to do absolutely nothing on them even at 80% and with exe stance. The sight bouncing is extremely goofy.

[devout atlas]

technically the recoil is low but the screenshake is high

[frank ether]

yeah its the worst kind of recoil

well, second worst

the worst is horizontal

though I'd argue in this game

[terse idol]

Head hunter autogun recoil

[frank ether]

horizontal is preferrable to whatever the heck infantry las is doing

[terse idol]

Making me feel like I'm playing CSS

[cobalt wedge]

My momma visits me in jail

[frank ether]

like my ciag will eventually sway horizontally when I magdump and thats fine I can compensate for it if I can react to which direction it will be

[umbral scaffold]

The las bolt doesn’t have any mass, but play testers didn’t like the feeling of a no recoil lasgun from what I’ve heard

[junior needle]

It do be bouncing quite a bit. 80% stability btw.

[terse idol]

look what they've taken from us

🥹

[frank ether]

I guess I'm too used to other fps games but I can't really deal with the thing darktide does where your aim is not screen centered

its impossible to train yourself for it

best you can do is like, aim chest level and hope for the best for magdumps

[cobalt wedge]

Still always gonna be my favorite drip tho

[umbral scaffold]

I’m weird I think because I’ve never quite enjoyed the vanilla cosmetics for the vet in Darktide, love the class and love everything else

I think my favorite vanilla cosmetic is the Kriegerhelm that you get as a penance

[cobalt wedge]

The vanilla cosmetics are kinda dog