veteran-class

[winter dock]

it'll clear out rooms of shooters just as well as anything else

[nimble sentinel]

but then I have to play zealot

[winter dock]

my first game trying this new VII strat I devised I did very decently. Had to eat all the ammo packs but the other two were pyskers and Ogryns running kickback/rumble so they didn't really need all that much to begin with

[nimble sentinel]

and also

[south spindle]

Zealot is mad fun this patch, really S tier without being busted

[dusk idol]

try it on gun Psyker with the same blessings

they both do crit better than vet does

[south spindle]

Sad, but true

[inner lava]

all classes are pretty fun but vet is in a weird spot

[south spindle]

Vet should be equally good at crits

[inner lava]

i liked the vet better last patch

[serene sage]

all 3 are still outshot by Ogryn

[dusk idol]

he has the least defined role out of all the classes

[winter dock]

our best crit related nodes only work on very specific weapons

Deadshot is exclusive to low firerate guns, and Focus is only workable on high firerate guns with already bad crit characteristics

[south spindle]

Oggy is OP as fuck since the class rework an a lot of people are sleeping on him

[nimble sentinel]

look at this handsome ugly bastard, I can't NOT play him

[wanton dawn]

Looks like that one piece character with a windmield on his hat or smth

[winter dock]

Marksman focus really needs to have its stackloss condition changed to not headshotting as opposed to moving

that'll fix it entirely

[untold mulch]

Yeah that makes a lot more sense

[serene sage]

Yeah. The amount of damage you can dish out is unmatched by anything.

[dusk idol]

just change one of the nodes to “you no longer lose stacks upon moving” and that’s plenty good

[nimble sentinel]

when we get the pearl clutching cosmetics and zealot gets the veteran chestplate with sniper hood, THEN I migrate classes

[south spindle]

It would have to be non-headshot kill or you'd drop stacks hella fast on accident

[untold mulch]

Also

[south spindle]

But yeah, it'd be a good change

[serene sage]

It's just that the class is clunky to play

[winter dock]

Focus target is jank as fuck because of the way stack refreshing works, fix that and buff the effect to compensate and it'll be a very decent keystone

[serene sage]

So I don't bother

[winter dock]

Weapons Specialist literally doesn't work- fix it so that it works a written and bam its good

[wanton dawn]

I mean, they both works as intended ?

[untold mulch]

Literally copypasted code to my knowledge

[south spindle]

Big boi, with big damage. I can't hate Oggy for being OP, he's both an Ogg an c'mon, you couldnt be mad with the big man could ya?

[untold mulch]

Tag is good

[ruby fulcrum]

Weapon spec absolutely doesn't work as written lol

[untold mulch]

Once we understood shit

[civic bay]

Does the crit only apply on the first shot?
Or was the 33% a typo?
Not sure if a consensus was reached on that yet.

[untold mulch]

First is guaranteed

[civic bay]

From my tests it was first shot

[untold mulch]

To my knowledge

Is literally a Vt2 talent

Copy pasted

[civic bay]

I was able to get non-crits on first shot if I didn't get enough melee kills (I think)

[untold mulch]

And someone was sleepikg on the job and didnt change the code

[civic bay]

Either way, reaaaaally nice for revolvers, shotguns, etc... and kinda pointless for automatic guns

stupidly good with Revolvers with the reload, really
Shotguns are more finnicky since you have to manually load special ammo

[wanton dawn]

If i ever feel sad i remember that this node exist

[civic bay]

imagine reaching that node

[wanton dawn]

imagine taking that node

[kind scarab]

Imagine reaching the node and taking it

[visual remnant]

[civic bay]

all the way down and oh so useless

[untold mulch]

Melee keystone works better with single shot

marksman keystone works better with full auto

[south spindle]

If i had the points i might actually take that one 😅 I love Shovel push attacks too much

[untold mulch]

Fatshark gentlemen

[autumn perch]

Vet worst class

[civic bay]

honestly though lol

[kind otter]

So the ammo you get back is rounded up so will revolver reload a shot (20% of its clip) if you swap after a single melee kill?

[wanton dawn]

how many push can you make in 3s ?

[civic bay]

marksman can hit much higher numbers but guaranteed crit after melee boops is just so much easier

Yes, you get 1 ammo back minimum

so revolver will always reload 1 ammo even with one kill

[south spindle]

Its more that i'd be able to dome a Rager an still block attacks from his mates

[civic bay]

It's kinda silly tbh

[untold mulch]

And it has a crit

[winter dock]

Weapons spec needs to be rewritten entirely. Makes its effects actually last the stated durations and reduce the crit bonus for Ranged spec to like 3% per stack so its 30% at full so that it isn't ridiculous giving 10s of guaranteed crit

[untold mulch]

You can slap a poxwalker
One shot a crusher

Repeat

[south spindle]

I like how Weap'Spec' works now tbh

It's really fluid

Great for frontliners

[winter dock]

True, it's not a bad idea- they just need to make it so that the melee stacks are relevant and that the nodes it has after are relevant

[untold mulch]

Works for way too few guns as of now

[civic bay]

They just need to make the description more accurate and maybe consolidate the extra nodes for it

[deep fable]

power grants cleave yes

[winter dock]

ATM the only relevant mechanic is the guaranteed crit on the ranged and the toughness/ammo regen nodes

[south spindle]

It does yes mate, Cleave, Damage an Stagger

[civic bay]

The keystone itself is solid imo

[winter dock]

attack speed for 1 attack does literally nothing

so only the buggy guaranteed crit on the first ranged bullet is actually having any effect whatsoever

[south spindle]

Its noticable on Shovel

[winter dock]

It is.

The stacks dissipate after one hit

[south spindle]

Yeah

Tbh it turns some weapons into blenders for a few seconds

[winter dock]

So the melee components attack speed buff does stick around for 5 seconds even when the buff vanishes?

[south spindle]

Catachan Sword an Shovel both

[winter dock]

I wonder if that applies to the Ranged buff as well?

[untold mulch]

Still only rhe first shot being a crit is silly

[winter dock]

Does the 33% crit on the ranged buff also still apply?

[torn gorge]

no

[untold mulch]

Nah

[winter dock]

God who the fuck Wrote this keystone

it must have been an intern high on shrooms in a latenight bender

[torn gorge]

increased rof is funny though

[untold mulch]

Someone who programmed shit

[winter dock]

with literally noone double-checking him

[autumn perch]

no ammo aura, no toughness regen talents, and i think revo does better with the right side keystone because it functions as a very nice secondary

[civic bay]

programmers weren't on the same page as the designers 😂

[south spindle]

You can use Crucian Roulette + Point Blank on a revolver an it compensates for the drop after the first shot, obviously PB is always active because you're swapping constantly an Crucian picks up a bit of the slack after that, throw Deadshot in there too, an you're ballin

[untold mulch]

Honestly +33% for 5 secs is kinda baller

Would*

[civic bay]

was gonna say

[nimble sentinel]

smh my head these pugs, sometimes I think they ignore elites and specials on purpose

[slow spade]

like a student using excessive words to hit the page requirement uwU

[civic bay]

TIL though

[steady pawn]

What perks do I put on a plasma gun, unyielding and maniac or flak?

[civic bay]

Base damage and damage boosts are the same? It's not like base vs final damage?

[winter dock]

correct

[civic bay]

why...

That's good to know

[winter dock]

Fatshark's dev team probably has no overhead whatsoever

[slow spade]

imo I use Maniac + flak. But that's because I go for body shots so flak is very helpful

[winter dock]

or whoever is meant to manage or double-check them is incompetent

one or the other

[slow spade]

headshots on gunners and ragers though

fuck ragers its like a 50/50 if it kills instantly

[slow spade]

secretly its because the editor and the writor are perfectly synced so one is on vacation when the other is working

truly the Euro experience

[untold mulch]

Feels like they working like Valve but somehow worse

Everyone kinda doing their thing

[terse idol]

Really?

I mean eh

[kind scarab]

I want y'all to take a guess how long it lasted

[untold mulch]

I am kinda exagerating, but bug fixes and hotfixes are so random

[kind scarab]

Cause apparently, if I soloq this is the kinda bozo's I get

[slow spade]

2 minutes and 17 seconds UwU

[kind scarab]

No, but it sure felt like it

6m

So, effectively.

[slow spade]

lol

[kind scarab]

Second area.

[civic bay]

I'm actually surprised it was that long

[slow spade]

its funny because the 2nd and 3rd player appear to have decent builds

[south spindle]

@nimble sentinel Rate my MKIV

[midnight mortar]

Why sentence yourself to that?

[kind scarab]

That's cause I was killing everything that got in the way :T

[ruby lodge]

Need more Ogryns in the game

[midnight mortar]

I'd have instantly left the lobby.

[slow spade]

nice Helbore

[kind scarab]

God forbid, fuck no

I'd rather have a psyker

[south spindle]

Kek, MKIV Las

[slow spade]

4 Ogryns is big funny

[nimble sentinel]

ikn a minute I'm babysitting the god emperor's dumbest asses

[kind scarab]

when it's 4 ogryns, it's alright

[slow spade]

LOL I couldn't even tell

[ruby lodge]

Need a tank beating the hordes, while others pick everything off

[kind scarab]

But I just dislike Ogryns so much recently. All they do is get in the way of bullets, eat all the ammo, and do nothing useful

[south spindle]

😄 Love the weap' customization mod tho

[slow spade]

Weapon Customization mod is truly the Omnissiah's will

[ruby lodge]

They absolutely get in the way

[wanton dawn]

Somehow I feel attacked

[kind scarab]

Have a psyker stunning the hordes from the back and putting down useful bubbles, rather than getting in the way and preventing people from shooting shit

[south spindle]

Just reposition?

[ruby lodge]

Why not both

[south spindle]

Oh very nice

[slow spade]

we Star Wars now

[fading fox]

Veteran Wellfare Check.

How are you guys holding up?

[kind scarab]

You can't do that when their fat fucking ass blocks the whole fucking corridor, or literal door

[south spindle]

If they're in a corridor, watch thier back, trust me, they have the front handled

[wanton dawn]

Reposition 20 feet ahead

[slow spade]

I'm rich as fuck ;)

[midnight mortar]

Ignoring keystones as intended.

[ruby lodge]

I'm just saying Ogryn definitely have their uses

[terse idol]

'Ate zealots
Get in the way of bullets
'Ate Ogrnns
Get in the way of bullets
'Ate Psykers
Steal all the spec kills
'Ate other vets
Steals all the ammo

🥹

[midnight mortar]

Simple as.

[terse idol]

😌

[kind scarab]

If I had the option, I'd play solo just like I did vermintide

Nothing more reliable than bots

[south spindle]

There are mods for that

You dont earn nothin doing it tho

[whole moon]

Use your own characters too

[south spindle]

Its like a training sim

[kind scarab]

Why the fuck would I waste my time with that

[fading fox]

Ok well just wanted to make sure you guys were doing ok. Check for the smell of decomposition you know...

Anyway. #Thoughts + #Prayers

[kind scarab]

If I can't earn materials to craft more weapons

[south spindle]

Well thems yer options

[slow spade]

to be honest, I actually feel my Vet got stronger in Patch 15

Plasma + Psword Vet UwU

[kind scarab]

I'll just keep yelling at the people at FS until they actually implement solo properly

[south spindle]

Personally i think its good to see how hard you can push yourself every now an then, bots are dogshit in this game

Because they're lifted straight from VT2

[slow spade]

3 Psyker Bots to spam Smite without peril exploding

[kind scarab]

VT bots have the single benefit of being able to bet equipped with whatever loadout and gear you toss their way

So you can make them at least somewhat more reliable than these

[south spindle]

You think they'd have the brains to use smite? You're giving them too much credit

[slow spade]

I can dream UwU

[solar bone]

Hey vet chat, these actually worth using at all?

[sharp epoch]

With the removal of superiority complex and nerf to confirmed kill, meh, it got weaker

[kind scarab]

Yes

[south spindle]

Yeah

[slow spade]

not for me

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[kind scarab]

Replace reload with mani and no respite with HH

[south spindle]

100%

[slow spade]

I got stronger

[static lily]

I wish for death

[sharp epoch]

What's stronger then?

[slow spade]

Ping keystone is craked

[solar bone]

That one seems ok should I grabs it?

[slow spade]

my damage, 1-shot kills on everyone

god bless

[kind scarab]

yer krak'd

(it does 1dmg cause it landed in the wrong spot, and FS can't code apparently)

[slow spade]

didn't patch 15 fix that?

[south spindle]

Wait what?

[sharp epoch]

With ping keystone you had to have sacrificed either grenades or some of the melee tree

[kind scarab]

I think they did, I haven't had that issue since

[static lily]

also in the time it takes to stack ping couldn't you have just shot twice

[slow spade]

literally lost nothing then because melee tree isn't necessary for psword

dabs

[south spindle]

Was gonna say, me an the boys evaporated a Traitor Captain with it the other day

[idle dirge]

Is there any point to using this on anything other than ragers

[south spindle]

What weapon?

[sharp epoch]

Necessary for crusher two tap and bruiser one shot without brutal momentum

[slow spade]

its funny

[idle dirge]

Rashad combat axe

[kind scarab]

No

[south spindle]

Oh, prolly not

Maulers

[idle dirge]

Maulers can be staggered with normal attacking

[south spindle]

Thats uhh.. thats about it

[slow spade]

imagine needing a 2-hit kill to kill crushers

I have P Cycler 4

[idle dirge]

From my brief-ish testing with creature spawner, the only thing that special attack staggers that normal attacks don't is ragers lol

[slow spade]

honestly it just sounds like you just want to be weak

my Vet is fine and slapping just as well if not better than it used to lmao

[pine plume]

I'm assuming for psword mk6 mobility is the dump stat

[sharp epoch]

wats that have to do with a crusher two tap?

[kind scarab]

You'll mostly be blocking with it, not dodging, yes

[slow spade]

don't care about 2-hit

because I have a 3 hit charge

[kind scarab]

What about one hit

[neon briar]

you dont need melee tree for crusher two tap

[kind scarab]

[sharp epoch]

2 shot breakpoint is a lot better than 3

[slow spade]

sorry I have a good sword that can work around that

[celest vine]

You can hit the 4th crusher with it

[neon briar]

carapace perk is enough, maybe you need precision strikes from left tree though i dont remember

[kind scarab]

Like, I had hope guys

I really did

But then all of us got trappered one by one, behind a wall of bulwarks

By a silent trapper

[sharp epoch]

loha couldnt carry hard enough

highest level = bestest

[kind scarab]

We lost

right in the first room

[sharp epoch]

😐

[bitter turtle]

I don't try to engage bulwark/crusher walls in melee cause of that

Like in theory it's safe but you can't see shit behind them

[sharp epoch]

GRENADES BRO

[kind scarab]

We weren't engaging them. They turned a corner right into us as we went down the stairs on the disruption mission.

[bitter turtle]

So + flamers or trappers or whatever hiding behind and suddenly is sadge

[kind scarab]

I immediately got trappered, and then so did they, one after the other

[sharp epoch]

skill issue ig

[gusty cove]

I heard kill confirmed is bug we take more dmg is it true ?

[static lily]

yes

[kind scarab]

Wrong skill

[sharp epoch]

no

[bitter turtle]

No

[static lily]

has been for like 3 patchs? or is the skill name wrong?

[bitter turtle]

Exhilarating takedown is the biggest one

Bugged*

[kind scarab]

This is the fucked one

[sharp epoch]

exerlerating rarkendwon

[gusty cove]

oh okkk ty

[midnight mortar]

Exhilarating Takedown.

[kind scarab]

You having a skill issue with your keyboard there? Or just using your fingers? :p

[sharp epoch]

it was rhe voice typing not my fautl

[timid hamlet]

Khorne has taken hold of them

[kind scarab]

Voice typing?

So you're having a stroke and it can't figure out what yer saying?

[sharp epoch]

exactly

[bitter turtle]

You know after playing with the new tree

The only thing I'm still sad about is ck

I miss 25 upfront

[kind scarab]

I miss being able to spend points on luxury nodes, like field improve and grenade tinkerer

[sharp epoch]

im missing superioirty complex on the middle tree

[midnight mortar]

Pay. The. Tax.

[neon briar]

i miss grenade tinkerer stun immunity the most lol

[bitter turtle]

I'm getting similar dmg with the right build prepatch so I'm ok with the DMG nodes moving around

[neon briar]

seriously stun is such an unfun mechanic

[bitter turtle]

I miss tink too but that was a bug so I'm not counting it

[kind scarab]

That's cause you're sacrificing other stuff to get back the damage

[bitter turtle]

Not really, I have all my nade perks still

[hollow solstice]

Is flachette even possible to get on shotgun right now?? I have spent like 40k plasteel and havent seen it once

[bitter turtle]

I did lose melee attack speed but I gained precision strikes

Which I consider an ok tradeoff for my knife

I just wish ck wasn't nerfed so hard 😔

[kind scarab]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

Could have just removed the stacking and dialed it down to like 20 upfront or something

[whole moon]

I did get it recently can't remember if before or after patch tho

[neon briar]

is that the tier 2 only blessing?

[bitter turtle]

No

[nimble sentinel]

w a t

[bitter turtle]

You're thinking of manstopper

For the t2 only

[neon briar]

oh right

[hollow solstice]

I swear they must have fucked up, I am legit getting nothing but the same blessings over and over

[sleek cairn]

just tuning in

@formal lake are u using psword 6 and revolver mostly now?

[bitter turtle]

🎰

The power of rng and gambling

[whole moon]

Check Brunt too, he occasionally gets a three in but even a two might help for now

[weak venture]

What's an optimal Plasma gun nowadays

[hollow solstice]

Never in my hundreds of hours have I ever had to spend 40k plasteel to get a single blessing

[nimble sentinel]

ayo you got a build for this? I have a Ia ready to go in the interim

[sleek cairn]

to be fair, what is this whole plasteel diamantine imbalance

[bitter turtle]

I'm not saying it's not bugged but some ppl have played a year without getting recycler

Pcycler*

It's possible if you're an outlier lol

[delicate estuary]

smoll bolter

[celest vine]

The second power sword I consecrated I got cycler 4

[fallow compass]

Smolter

[terse idol]

Ooh the legendary bolt pistol

Finally here

[fallow compass]

Is the bolt pistol in game? Or is that modded in?

[terse idol]

No lol

Its modded

Just cosmetic

[fallow compass]

I weep

[untold mulch]

The moment they add a Bolt Pistol

[terse idol]

🥹

[untold mulch]

Everyone will know

[fallow compass]

I am terribly out of the loop on stuff these days

I work too much

I miss being a kid

[untold mulch]

[fallow compass]

I miss LAN parties

[terse idol]

[south spindle]

Yer, what Ult you wanna use?

This is with Relic, Crusher for primary

You could swap out Scourge an the one before it, an path over to EWEW should you so desire

[nimble sentinel]

ballin

[south spindle]

Or indeed down to Sustained Assualt

Its flexbile

[cloud leaf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/710122389870215228/756385721140510750/SPOILER_gun1.gif

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/710122389870215228/756385731081142302/gun2.gif

[terse idol]

Get that zealot chat away from here

[nimble sentinel]

imma keep it real with you I haven't gone off of veteran in literal months I have no idea what these words correlate to

[terse idol]

[hollow solstice]

75k plasteel down the drain with 0 result other than max depression 🔥

[terse idol]

Only 75k?

🥹

[robust mesa]

Is Exhilarating takedown still fucked?

[terse idol]

I just spent 200k
Well worse case I can fish for blessings

[desert hawk]

yep

[robust mesa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJFrMbRVNhk

[hollow solstice]

Yeah well it was 75k spent on a blessing I didnt even realize was tier 2 💀

so now I have like 100 useless shotguns and hadrons annoying ass voice stuck in my head

[robust mesa]

yall must have nutty hours for that much plasteel

Wish I had that

been trying to roll for slaughterer 4 for decades

then this recent nerf kinda made me madge

malding still about it

[hot jewel]

Does anyone have any tips on completing on overwatch penance?

[robust mesa]

Which one is that

[slow spade]

its mostly because Vet has the widest range of gear

like my Psyker friend has roughly 130k plasteel

[robust mesa]

Is that the no melee damage one?

[celest vine]

You have friends that play the game right?

[slow spade]

and he has similar hours to me

[celest vine]

This is important to know

[hot jewel]

No melee damage on malice or higher

[celest vine]

[robust mesa]

I feel like the class just took a massive versatility hit though

[desert hawk]

Shout and play safe

[robust mesa]

Do you have a group

[dusk idol]

if you have all the gear you want and just play the game you get plasteel out the ass

[desert hawk]

It's only malice so it shouldnt be bad

[dusk idol]

if you’re going for blessings or god rolls, hello poverty

[slow spade]

my friend literally only uses Purg staff and Deimos

[hot jewel]

I do Have people

[celest vine]

Jump off the map, die, never get rescued

Then get rescued before the end

Will count

[slow spade]

so after he got them, he's just been saving

[robust mesa]

You could do the suicide run

but that's zero fun

[celest vine]

My buddy did it last week

[hot jewel]

I honestly didn't think about that

[celest vine]

The penance is the most bullshit in the game and I will beat it in a bullshit way

[robust mesa]

I did it

like

[slow spade]

spawn director holding back the rager spawns until they revive the player

[robust mesa]

after the 2nd attempt

[slow spade]

boom 50 ragers UwU

[celest vine]

I did it legit

It blew dick

But I did it legit

[robust mesa]

you have big balls

massive testiculars

[celest vine]

Best way is to cheese broken mechanics

[slow spade]

I did it legit because Purg psyker + MK12 Counterfire Vet was op back in the day

[celest vine]

[slow spade]

now you have to suffer UwU

[robust mesa]

I mean

was this rework worth?

Is anyone willing to share builds?

[slow spade]

personally I'm ok with it

it buffed my favorite build

[desert hawk]

Vet still kinda too rigid in terms of tree

[slow spade]

so I'm vibing

[desert hawk]

but it's functional

[celest vine]

The previous one was better imo for my playstyle

[robust mesa]

I want to do executioners

like

[slow spade]

sure here's my plasma build

[robust mesa]

that's the whole thing

voice of command is cool, but I like just, deleting specials.

[sleek cairn]

this is a good build

[robust mesa]

saving btw

[slow spade]

I use the weakpoint talent to one shot kill gunners

[sleek cairn]

ive seen some shitty takes on mid tree, but this one is most definitely a sound build

[slow spade]

but honestly I'm on the fence about it

[hot jewel]

I lovw playing support veteran pretty similar to mine

[robust mesa]

Is the nerf to bring it down bc of the middle keystone?

[slow spade]

if you want to try a more support + defenses focused build

[sleek cairn]

he really really wanted precision for some random breakpoint on plasma?

lol

[sleek cairn]

i mean that's my best guess

[desert hawk]

I find 8 stacks isnt as impactful

[slow spade]

people say they have issues hitting weakpoints

[desert hawk]

compared to free toughness damage

[sleek cairn]

oh wow i didnt see Aura Range

[slow spade]

I do not

[robust mesa]

I wish executioners had something for toughness

[sleek cairn]

@formal lake good eye

[robust mesa]

idk the problem, aim at the general area of the head and blast

[sleek cairn]

yeah shift that aura range over to the toughness node lol

[robust mesa]

the emperor will sort out the rest

[slow spade]

because I didn't need the toughness

my team certainly does though

[sleek cairn]

Charisma only affects your own aura tho?

[slow spade]

charismatic is a great talent lmao

its literally a support vet build

[sleek cairn]

but stamina & toughness regen..

[slow spade]

you have to be braindead to not see the value in charmastic + Ping keystone + Voice of Command lol

[celest vine]

I find shout more useful to make that shot on the sniper in a hoard

[sleek cairn]

charisma is only your own aura and it's range dependent

[slow spade]

you're shitting me

[celest vine]

Surrounded? Shout then shoot the dniper

[sleek cairn]

survivalist is your aura yes?

[slow spade]

Fatshark pls

[sleek cairn]

lol

they see it now Azreal

[celest vine]

*fartshart

[sleek cairn]

they get it.

[robust mesa]

If I'm using plamsa I just cleave straight through the horde to hit the sniper most of the time

[slow spade]

why is aura and coherency different stats

[sleek cairn]

because it doesnt have strictly coherency

[slow spade]

thanks for informing :c

[slow spade]

"how do we make this talent bad" -Fatshark making Charismatic

[celest vine]

Better to save the point or spend it on Confirmed kill

[robust mesa]

Been considering going down the dark path of Ogryn for the shooty builds

[sleek cairn]

u mean psyker pls

[robust mesa]

I saw this Ogryn use a stubber to

[desert hawk]

gun lugger is fun

[robust mesa]

delete a chaos spawn

in less than a second

so idk

[celest vine]

FIRE SUPPORY AYE

[slow spade]

honestly the only bad shooter build is psyker because its such a fucking pain getting the blessings

[robust mesa]

it was on auric too

[slow spade]

I don't want to get blessings on my psyker too

pain

[robust mesa]

I'm still skeptical on psyker

Ik it's good now

[kind scarab]

You share blessings between classes tho

[robust mesa]

But I remember release

when all Psykers scared me to be on a team with

[slow spade]

guess what gun I don't have any blessings for Uwu

[kind scarab]

So if you have the same gun on psyker, just build it, ez

[slow spade]

Laspistol and Columbus :D

[kind scarab]

Damn

[slow spade]

yeah I'm going for a MK4 and a MG la atm

but you know how Hadron is

[robust mesa]

mfers were always on the ground thinkin

[kind scarab]

Boy do I

[robust mesa]

now I see vets always on the ground

how the turns tables

[kind scarab]

I just spent all my plasteel trying to make a perfect mk6, cause my latest build needs crusher damage in my melee slot

[slow spade]

to be fair, Vets spent almost a full year with a +75% damage crutch with wall hacks

[kind scarab]

For those lovely crusher hordes

I'd spend all those in an hour

[slow spade]

bruh

I thought the docket cap was 5 million lol

ah

[kind scarab]

Oh since yer here Az. Is crusher 1shot still possible on the MK6?

With the push attack

I can already do the 2 shot very easily

But it feels like a 1shot should be possible

[slow spade]

1-shot should be possible as dmg got buffed

only toughness in general got hit

ah rip

[kind scarab]

Hmmmm

[slow spade]

probably possible with some Slaughterer stacks or something

[kind scarab]

Yeah nah, with Slaughterer I'm like errrr

[slow spade]

though that's a bit conditional

[kind scarab]

60ish damage off of 1h

[slow spade]

damn

stand next to a psyker with +elite damage aura UwU

ez fix

[kind scarab]

My push attacks rn without Brutal and without damage to elites is at 2.2k. So I just need another 1.2k

Ez right

Yeah nah, I still want PC for the horde clear

[slow spade]

Fatshark: "2501 aquillas for a 3rd blessing slot UwU"

[kind scarab]

[slow spade]

lol

I would too

[sleek cairn]

oh lord yes

[robust mesa]

Blaze away 3 or gets hot 4 for plas?

[tight dragon]

is stopping that big of a deal on mkV

should still be an upgrade i guess

[near bison]

I lost the post from yesterday, can someone post a build for Kantrael XII?

And what's the preference between Vraks VII and Kantrael XII?

[half wigeon]

jesus

[kind scarab]

I will make it all crumble

[opal crag]

What is the best Veteran accatran mk for armored ? Vlla , II , or Vld ?

[plush dragon]

sustained lol it shoots to fast to convert to a controlled burst ranger trash clearer

fire frenzy

i use speed reload too

cause if im pressed i can keep up defence (offense)

[kind scarab]

Most of them ain't that great, but if you're hellbent on it. The 6d

[bitter turtle]

6d and pick all the rending perks

Or pick another gun

[untold mulch]

Pick another gun

[opal crag]

hmm

[coarse tide]

elevator bugged? wtf

[plush dragon]

nice

[opal crag]

looking for the best armor dmg while having good mag - recoil and rate of fire

what is the best pic k?

[kind scarab]

Oh, it's that situation

You in for a spicy ride

You gotta have someone down there to pick you up

Or

have a shout+revive vet on your team to pick up whoever is brave enough to suicide down there first

[coarse tide]

just left the mission

[dusk idol]

plasma

[bitter turtle]

Try Columnud iag if you like automatics

Columnus

[dusk idol]

columnuts

[opal crag]

yee auto with big mag

[dusk idol]

if you want a dakka gun, columnus. it’s good

recoil pattern’s the same as every other IAG anyway

[bitter turtle]

A deadshot colum build can get like 2.5k DPS on a crusher

Even if you hate Deadshot like me you can still get close to 2k

No exec stance

[opal crag]

What about Kantrael MG weapons ? La XII IV ?

[bitter turtle]

They're good but I thought you wanted auto

[opal crag]

oh ,they are not ?

[bitter turtle]

Semi auto

Single shots

[opal crag]

oh

hmm

[dusk idol]

your choices for full auto weapons are the shredder autopistol, infantry autoguns, braced autoguns and recon lasguns

[celest vine]

1A is best

But its semi auto

[kind relic]

Veteran Talent Changes
'Twinned Blasts' changed from 10% to 20%.
'Trench Fighter Drill' changed from 15% to 10%.
'For the Emperor!' changed from 20% to 10%.
'Bring it Down!' changed from 25% to 20%.
'Marksman' changed from 50% to 20%.
'Skirmisher' changed from 3 stacks to 5 stacks.
'Close Quarters Killzone' changed from 30% to 15%.
'Fire Team' changed from 3% to 5%.
'Confirmed Kill' changed from 25% + 25% over time to 10% + 20% over time.
'Out For Blood' changed from 2.5% to 3.5%.

[celest vine]

Good on ammo tho

[kind relic]

gimped

absolutely gimped

trench fighter drill why

im crying rn

[dusk idol]

trench fighter was changed for the weapon swap keystone

they all were changed because of keystones

[opal crag]

does recon vld have same dps as column ? as the first have 2x the ammo but half the dmg ?

[bitter turtle]

Worse dps

Esp against maniacs

It quite literally does 1/3rd of column dps on maniacs

[plush dragon]

they trashed recon

[dusk idol]

different weapons scale differently into armour types

[plush dragon]

it had shit dps on non headshot anyways

[dusk idol]

they also have different blessings available which can affect the dps

[bitter turtle]

Wait wrong pic lol

Sec

[opal crag]

columns V Infantry vs columns II Braced ?

[dusk idol]

go the columnus, you want big mag, good recoil and damage

it’s the columnus you want

[bitter turtle]

Recon can be somwhat competitive vs column on carapace but it still hoses ammo

And against maniac it is just sad

[opal crag]

both columns

[dusk idol]

infantry autogun

[slow spade]

had a run with randoms where they said "nice clean run everyone"

feels good c:

[formal relic]

If youre going braced I think agri is better

The piercing is really strong

[bitter turtle]

Yeah

Agri iag is good too if you want to stick to iags

[opal crag]

hmm , no dodge limit on braced ? according to wiki

[bitter turtle]

Less dps and fire rate than column though

[dusk idol]

wrong

no no

[bitter turtle]

More precision tho

[dusk idol]

braced has less dodges

only 2 dodges

[slow spade]

Voice of command + support build Vet

ez win time

psyker with cooldown aura pls

[opal crag]

There is a node for lasguns , crit = free ammo

worth las for it ?

[formal relic]

Nurgles blessing always feel like such a non-thing

[bitter turtle]

Worth it for everything except recon

They gutted how it works for recon

Only refund the first bullet of a crit string now

[slow spade]

ok I'm good but I'm not THAT good...

[formal relic]

Kantrael 12 can go basically an entire game without an ammo pickup with it

[bitter turtle]

Other single shot lasguns can abuse it for near infinite ammo though

[opal crag]

I am looking for nearly only ranged vet

with big mag

[bitter turtle]

Try column

Then

It's a good swiss army knife gun

Run survivalist so you don't run dry on ammo

[opal crag]

but it is not considered a las , is it ?

[bitter turtle]

It's not

[opal crag]

so the node wont proc

[bitter turtle]

But you don't need shocktroop to shoot nearly the entire game

Column has great ammo efficiency to dmg

And a huge mag

Survivalist will help too

[opal crag]

what makes infantry better than braced for columns ?

[kind scarab]

It's doable, but is it pretty? Nah. There's other ways to reach the breakpoint too, but I don't like'em.

[bitter turtle]

Iag vs braced is basically the secondary action

[opal crag]

oh , braced does not have ads , does it ?

[bitter turtle]

Nope

[opal crag]

same as ogryn then

infantry is de wae then

[junior needle]

Stats and function, there's a big difference

[bitter turtle]

Ads helps Columnus for picking off snipers and gunners and shit

[opal crag]

which is vet spec

[bitter turtle]

At least is why I go for it

[livid warren]

Who's playing

[zealous otter]

The work is complete, BEEG iron

[frigid swallow]

curious whats the likelihood we gettin Solar Auxillia cosmetic in the future lol

[kind scarab]

Now that's a good one

[opal crag]

ty for the tips ❤️

May the Omnissiah bless you

[umbral scaffold]

Hand cannon looks like such a good blessing

[naive hatch]

10/10 cosmetics, the heretics will never see me coming

[formal relic]

Low damage high ROF doesnt really work for braced autoguns because you can't be precise with it and it doesnt have the ammo economy to sustain spraying

Agri works better for braced because the piercing makes it easier to hit what you want

And the slower ROF makes tapping things to death in the distance more manageable

[wraith locust]

What ps skin is that?

[bitter turtle]

Don't forget to crouch when doing precise shots on columnus

Helps with recoil

[opal crag]

is Power Sword the best for vet ? III or VI ? ( spectial attack seems good )

[bitter turtle]

Power sword is great yeah

[whole moon]

Looks to be using wep customisation mod from what I can see

[buoyant slate]

yeah braced autoguns shoot faster while braced while doing more suppression/stagger, iirc

[tight dragon]

i mean the yellow one is a bad roll, ideally i have dumdum + deathspitter and maniac flak

[wraith locust]

Ah I see ty

[tight dragon]

the purple one has shit stopping power but i don't know how much it scales on columnus

[opal crag]

worth taking ( crouched walking will regen focus ) purple node ?

[lethal plover]

Should I buy this?

[bitter turtle]

I don't take keystones on my build personally

Plus you aren't crouch walking

[tight dragon]

do you have power cycler 4 unlocked

[bitter turtle]

Just crouching for a quick shot

[tight dragon]

might be worth it for rampage IV i guess

[lethal plover]

I don't think so.

[bitter turtle]

And only on long distance targets

[formal relic]

I'm not a power sword expert but I think this is pretty good. Swap wrath for power cycler and carapace for flak.

[tight dragon]

if you get power cycler 4 replace wrath with it and carapace for maniac imo

you'll have a decent one

[formal relic]

double maniac?

[tight dragon]

flak*

[lethal plover]

Hmm, alright, I'll pick it up. I only have Power cycler 3 atm

But if I come across it, I'll slap it on

[tight dragon]

personally i prefer brutal momentum to stunlock ragers on light spam tbf but it's pretty good still

[lethal plover]

I have a hard time getting away from my chainsword with rampage and wrath

[lethal plover]

sexy

[ruby totem]

so did vet get nerfed even more?

[civic bay]

no

[whole moon]

I preferred Savage Sweep to Wrath, you tried that combo?

[civic bay]

those were changes in patch 15 that weren't documented

[viscid marlin]

yeah

[ruby totem]

ah

[serene sage]

they already stabbed us and now just wanted to tell us about it

[ruby totem]

oh that's fun

[tight dragon]

don't think you need cleave on powersword

[forest blaze]

If you have PC4 then yeah

[tight dragon]

the special gives you cleave that's why you take power cycler

[civic bay]

People already found and posted the shadow nerfs. They're just official nerfs now 😂

[forest blaze]

No. The keystones are great

[civic bay]

(power was moved into the keystones though it's not 1:1 ofc)

[whole moon]

Thought he was talking about a chainsword there

[ruby totem]

I think a vet main fucked a dev's wife

[slow spade]

its from the Extended Weapon Customization Mod

[tight dragon]

got a shit one but i stopped using it after the vet tree revamp, can't get my melee attack speed with my build

[bitter turtle]

I don't even take the keystones 😔

[civic bay]

The middle keystone rewards doing what you should already be doing

[nocturne mulch]

On my tryhard carry build I dont take keystones either

[civic bay]

The right keystone is also pretty free as long as you're using a weapon that doesn't take 5 years to swap to and actually melee things

[dusk idol]

I’d feel rewarded if I didn’t have to sell my kidney for it

[tight dragon]

also i hope people know exhilarating takedown is bugged and actually INCREASES damage taken

[nocturne mulch]

There is too much incredibly useful utility

[civic bay]

yeah, the keystone itself is fine but getting there is another matter rofl

[bitter turtle]

I get more dmg taking other things than middle key

[civic bay]

Way too expensive to get down =/

middle keystone gives your entire team damage

[bitter turtle]

Right one is good but I don't use the guns that synergize well

[ruby totem]

Is there a bug report on the forums for the exhilarating takedown thing?

[nocturne mulch]

Specialist keystone is good if you have gone with a Stripped Down build

[civic bay]

your own personal damage will naturally suffer since it's so expensive to get down there

[bitter turtle]

My last auric mael run I did 700k dmg and two of my teammates did 300k

I'll stick to buffing my own dmg

Jk

Seriously though id rathwr take the nade perks

If I want to help team

[near bison]

Is there a decent autogun with a reflex sight?

[bitter turtle]

Extra frags saves runs

[bitter turtle]

Weapon customization mod

[topaz lance]

Is there any strong laspistol build?

[dusk idol]

weapon customisation mod

[umbral scaffold]

Ragers when they hear you got a MG12 and a combat axe

[civic bay]

I'm hoping they go through and cut some of the fat from the tree in patch 16

[naive hatch]

ffffuuuuu (I'm the MG 12 Lasgun user).

[civic bay]

There'd probably less complaints about the keystones if they weren't so darn expensive to reach

[bitter turtle]

Why is born leader a tax node

Delete pls

[civic bay]

It's not like all the other classes' keystones are exciting either

[frank ether]

why does it exist is a better question

[civic bay]

LOL as a middle tree user I agree

Born Leader plz go away

[rugged portal]

Ya know, right keystone would be decent if it didn't just go away after 5 seconds but, instead, lost stacks one by one for longer. At least give us a but longer of an uptime.

[frank ether]

there is not a single build in the game that likes born leader

[rare current]

Ya'll think Weapon specialist is worth it over getting other stuff

[civic bay]

depends on weapon

[digital gazelle]

low damage

[tight dragon]

doesn't it count for first shot and first melee only?

[civic bay]

well, depends on gun tbh

[bitter turtle]

It's funny

Because it got nerfed too

Indirectly by ck nerf

[rare current]

Let's say Plasma

[umbral scaffold]

Your best bet is to use the combat axes poke (or the shovels poke) to stagger. If you have shredders they can stagger as well

[royal monolith]

is brittle on hit blessing for plasma applied on initial shot

[umbral scaffold]

Stagger the rager packs and make everyone else deal with them

[civic bay]

You mean Onslaught?

even if it was, it wouldn't be any meaningful amount

[umbral scaffold]

Assuming you didn’t get in a lobby with 3 stealth zealots

[civic bay]

but also no afaik
(only tested briefly)

[frank ether]

feels to me like they approached keystones with the idea of nerfing whats popular and the answer to that was middle path for every vet build

[rugged portal]

I thought it lasted for 5 seconds.

[frank ether]

except now its stupid and my helbore build cant have ogryn&monstrosity damage unless I go middle lmao

[royal monolith]

i am like 5 dmg off breakpoints for plasma

its so dumb

[naive hatch]

I use the Rashad, and this is good to know.

[civic bay]

and not sure about right keystone + plasma
the swap speed makes it kinda of questionable

[royal monolith]

nah its fine

[bitter turtle]

The only big win we got was precision strikes being super accessible tbh

[digital gazelle]

hmmm

[bitter turtle]

Plasma swap speed is fast wdym

[civic bay]

confirmed kill was moved to a nice place too, though it was also nerfed

[royal monolith]

plasma has to have the speedup blessing tho

[civic bay]

oh my mistake then
I swap weapons every match and use all four classes so I've only used Plasma a few times. remembered wrong then

[royal monolith]

i run knife bleed build with plasma

[umbral scaffold]

I use a small arsenal of different melees I find the antax mk v to suit me the best out of any of the axes because of its simple move set

[bitter turtle]

its slow at other things

but it comes out fvast

when you swap

also new CK spot is just as annoying as old one to me

i cant take the reload speed anymore now lul

without wasting more points

[civic bay]

I mean, everything is kind of annoying right now because of how deep the trees go aha

[naive hatch]

Nice, I'm still pretty new to the game but I'm slowly collecting weapons that suit my playstyle and needs.

[royal monolith]

plasma is just a revolver with bigger clip and cleave tbh

[civic bay]

the location itself is pretty accessible

[frank ether]

I cant take iron will on sharpshooter build

without gimping it

[kind scarab]

Plasma is a pistol you can't aim as well for far distances, and it can blow up in your face

[tight dragon]

i'm just coping with this

[bitter turtle]

uinless they buffed it

[umbral scaffold]

Best bet is to wait til you’re level 30 before you go to hadron, you unlock her earlier but you wanna save up your plasteel for when you’re max level. I thought it was like vermintide where you just need one max lvl char to get max power weapons across all your characters but I was wrong

[bitter turtle]

longshot is pretty bad tbh

might as well put that point in something else

[kind scarab]

Kill Zone is even worse

[civic bay]

it's also extra painful that Survivalist + Shout is kind of the go-to

[kind scarab]

So don't even think about that

[bitter turtle]

you could put that point into demo team

nades

nades everywhere

[civic bay]

you only get more free points when you specifically beeline straight in order to get more points

[naive hatch]

I think I'm good on the level 30 requirement ;P

[bitter turtle]

deadshot is a thought too

[digital gazelle]

worth it for Vet?

[bitter turtle]

or field improv

all are def better than longshot

[kind scarab]

Not terrible

[umbral scaffold]

Nice I just heard u say new and assumed you’re still leveling up

[sleek cairn]

Absolutely, even as just its base

[tight dragon]

i mean considering i'm spaming MKV on everything felt like the most value out of what i could grab

[wooden oar]

What blessings on curio's do you guys prefer? Curious.

[tight dragon]

there's 5% crit i guess

[naive hatch]

Thank you for the advice regardless

[bitter turtle]

you need to be like 30m+ away for longshot to max out on value

its really rough

[formal relic]

Toughness, Health, then either gunner or sniper resist

[bitter turtle]

why not grab field improv or demo team lik ei said

those are really good utility nodes

[wooden oar]

I mean blessings, not the perks. So wound,toughness,stamina

[frank ether]

I did it like this

[digital gazelle]

Id swap unarmoured for unyielding maybe

[umbral scaffold]

No problem the best advice you can ever get is to simply enjoy the game its pve the stakes aren’t high

[formal relic]

toughness x3

[kind scarab]

You won't be magdumping that into bosses, so I don't see why you'd do that

Keep at as unarmored so you can more easily oneshot gunners

[bitter turtle]

pretty sure plasma already knock sout treapers easily

[tight dragon]

no surv oof

[bitter turtle]

and yeah plasma is still not for dumping on bosses

[bitter turtle]

is that to hit a breakpoint for a weapon

[frank ether]

dont rly care, I have a version of this where I take shock trooper for helbore.

[bitter turtle]

looks like you picked up every +dmg you could possibly get lul

[frank ether]

yes cause I'm tired of having to solo monstros and DHs in auric games as a fucking squishy sharpshooter vet

[tight dragon]

i'll try demo team, should be better than field improv in auric considering how stupid the waves are

[frank ether]

It also does melee better than sharpshooter build

[rare current]

So I'm not missing out by not getting the Keystone modifiers?

[frank ether]

cause again this keystone and its buffs applies to both weapons

and the buffs are not weakspot specific except precision strikes

[dusk idol]

field improv got an indirect nerf with how they removed an ammo crate and medpak from the male

maps

[tight dragon]

lmao

[bitter turtle]

the right keystone is definitely the best one, even if you cant take the modifiers

so if all you can grab is the right keystone itself and it works for your weapon, its still pretty good

[civic bay]

For Weapon Specialist I'm only taking the ammo regen if using revolver/shotgun specifically. The stamina looks nice but kinda too deep... The rest I skip

[worthy meteor]

what can i improve here?

[slow spade]

support Vet fun

[civic bay]

and shotgun reloads quickly enough that if I really wanted another point I'd still remove the reload add-on

[dusk idol]

a new power sword

[tight dragon]

melee damage to flak

[umbral scaffold]

Pretty sure maniacs already get x3 melee damage so change that out

[dusk idol]

power cycler 4 though in seriousness

[pearl sapphire]

I think that the hellbore needs to have the time on its deploy reduced, personal opinion

[tight dragon]

oh wait

[bitter turtle]

he cant change it

which is pretty sadge

[kind scarab]

how dare you

[bitter turtle]

but i'd probably move maniac to flak since you already get some +maniac dmg from that specialist perk

[civic bay]

that's my biggest issue with Helbore tbh

[kind scarab]

0 dealths, and they're all low levels

[worthy meteor]

thanks

[kind scarab]

Where did you find those teammates

[civic bay]

(that and the sight blocking way too much)

[bitter turtle]

kinda dumb how specialist dmg is basically just aworse version of manic dmg lol

[true echo]

Laughing like a school girl rn

[civic bay]

I end up having to spam bayonet stabbies since swapping is so slooooow

[dusk idol]

nice

[kind scarab]

I had high af level motherfuckers earlier, and we all got trappered in the first room

[slow spade]

I simply drugged them to hell and back UwU

[kind scarab]

LOOK

[bitter turtle]

mutants extra melee dmg, not all maniacs

[pearl sapphire]

Love the sights, would prefer something like the dot on the starter rifle, but the deploy is AIDS

[dusk idol]

you did what

[slow spade]

a player with enough buffs will overcome even a lvl 500 player uwU

[whole moon]

For curios, max health is 21, max toughness is 17, max wounds 1. Get three of each so you can mix n max, it's a pain checking Brunt every hour but worth it imo

[slow spade]

every support node I could reasonably get

[kind scarab]

I don't care how many buffs you put on someone

[dusk idol]

you drugged them???

[kind scarab]

You can't cure braindamage with buffs

[slow spade]

you don't???

[slow spade]

I WILL TRY

[civic bay]

one trap sidestep > all the buffs in the world

[mellow adder]

I haven't used the Plasma yet but was wondering if this was worth picking up from melk?

[pearl sapphire]

Toughness and VoC is beautiful tbh

[onyx tusk]

You're not supposed to use the stimms from the carnival they're bad for you

[kind scarab]

Who do you think took them all

[dusk idol]

if you ain’t got one it’s not a bad place to start

[kind scarab]

It was 100% sheo

[slow spade]

just need enough damage so you can kill everyone to make room to dodge UwU

[kind scarab]

Just kept stuffing their pockets

[bitter turtle]

honestly

plasma is very easy to make

dont waste melkbucks on it

[slow spade]

good Vets are constantly drugged up 24/7

[umbral scaffold]

I don’t think this is true unless a patch changed something https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/nKxhQbvVTy

[bitter turtle]

plasma blessings are all pretty much mediocre to shit

[slow spade]

if you're not on stims, are you REALLY a vet?

[civic bay]

the real drugged up vets are the ones taking middle keystone and binding tag to LMB

[kind scarab]

I'm Cadian, I'm too angry for stims to work

[dusk idol]

I tested range damage too

[civic bay]

(please don't do this rofl)

[tight dragon]

80 +80 rolls and a VERY specific 73 charge rate, would'nt call that easy tbf

[dusk idol]

they for some reason do take a little more ranged damage

not much, a tiny bit

[tight dragon]

at least only get hot really matters

[dusk idol]

but they do

[slow spade]

4 purg psykers with lmb on ping for maximum ping duration uwU

[bitter turtle]

huh, I guess the only reason we think of it as melee only getting extra dmg is because of how inflated it is

[onyx tusk]

Everything burns

[true echo]

Drippin

[dusk idol]

it is a pretty sizable amount

Dclaw can two shot a mutant

[kind scarab]

The plasma chart is pinned IIRC

[dusk idol]

it’s nice

[kind scarab]

And the difference is like 5 base damage

[formal relic]

So has anyone warmed up to any of the keystones? I feel like it's just too hard to justify taking them over other talents

[kind scarab]

From going for 80 instead of 73

[dusk idol]

some people have, some people haven’t

[tight dragon]

focus target is actually good honestly

[bitter turtle]

its decent

just takes way too many points to get to

for how much it offers

[dusk idol]

I dont think its bad, I don’t think its worth the point cost

[formal relic]

I do feel like that's the best one. That it comes with 10% permanent rending is also good

[slow spade]

I personally really like Focus Target too

[sleek cairn]

@formal lake are u running a stam curio or are u just going 1.5 stam on ur perks

[formal relic]

I tried really hard to make focus work but it just feels really bad

[slow spade]

its really easy to make Focus work

[dusk idol]

it’s hard for me to warm up to any of the keystones when they’re expensive af

[bitter turtle]

how i ujsed it

was i bound mark target to my shoot button

and just played normally

LUL

i know you're supposed to like wait 10 seconds but fuck that

[dusk idol]

spam ping to assert dominance

[slow spade]

at least on paper, ping keystone looks good :p

[tight dragon]

wish they would just connect the lanes like all the other classes

[bitter turtle]

i find it funny they did it for the first row

and then like

forgot

for every other row after that

[dusk idol]

shorten the tree, combine some talents and connect the fork

[kind scarab]

And off of paper

[slow spade]

Fatshark pls consider my tree rework

[naive hatch]

This is the build I decided try out for now with a keystone. Feels pretty strong in the Meatgrinder.

[bitter turtle]

btw

have people tried out for blood instead of CK

[dusk idol]

yes

[kind scarab]

Ain't gotta wait if you take these two nodes specifically

[static lotus]

Sorry but ur fansy keystonee remaining underused on auric just forgetting to use them when shit kicks in

[bitter turtle]

how is it

[slow spade]

I think you should drop the Weakpoint talent for Longshot (near the top) because its a damage buff that doesn't need headshots

[dusk idol]

you still want CK

[kind scarab]

You end up having a 16% base damage increase for everyone on the team

At any moment

[dusk idol]

out for blood is only good into hordes and won’t save you

[bitter turtle]

rip

i wa sthinking

[dusk idol]

the amount of damage you take vs regen isn’t enough just to use out for blood

[bitter turtle]

tossing grenade into a horde for a quick toughness boost sounds nice

why'd they nerf ck so bad 😔 my boy

[dusk idol]

you’d get like 20% toughness at max per grenade

since shredder does inconsistent bleed damage rn

[slow spade]

Confirmed Kill needs another buff

maybe 25% on kill and 25% over time

that sounds right to me ;)

[kind scarab]

Sounds like a great idea

[formal relic]

exhilarating takedown also needs to be made into a buff instead of a debuff

[dusk idol]

I think 15% and 20% regen is good, if combined with a working exhil take down

[slow spade]

just for you 300% damage taken no other effect UwU

[kind scarab]

You mean on left click, right?

[dusk idol]

veteran would be pretty nice for toughness with a keystone that we could reach

[kind scarab]

Yeah that's what I figured

[tight dragon]

by the way, do you actually get 10 crits from ranged stacks on weapon specialist or one guaranteed crit

[slow spade]

yeah to get my keystone, I had to turn my "tree" into a stick lol

[dusk idol]

1

[kind scarab]

One

[tight dragon]

...

[still chasm]

I just got this. :3

[kind scarab]

You're

[tight dragon]

yeah i'll stick with focus target i guess

[kind scarab]

"We have saltzpyre at home"

[whole moon]

Lucky!!

[slow spade]

Saltzpyre but nowhere near as sexy

[kind scarab]

As it should