veteran-class

[sharp ember]

that's a kantrael mg12 alright

[nimble sentinel]

slow one is the MG12, I recomend the others their damage got buffed and their dps is better

[brazen cradle]

Okii

[dusk idol]

aren't they about equal?

[tardy vigil]

others also have better ammo eco iirc right?

[chilly cobalt]

when theyre giving pearl clutchers cosmetic?

[sharp ember]

you can do basically anything except close range assault with a kantrael lasgun

[tardy vigil]

or was that the old way

[meager sonnet]

any class suggestions for the veteran

[nimble sentinel]

we're vets, all our lasguns have infinite ammo (RIP recon)

[dusk idol]

yeah play zealot

[tardy vigil]

you got bleed build, notzealot support, glass cannon pain, and spazmaster revolver dude

[meager sonnet]

Thanks very helpful

[mystic belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa00520-9539-4d67-bc41-d93aa21e9079/support-vet-14

[dusk idol]

you're very welcome i'm glad i could help

[wise bridge]

ye, 1000damage/15seconds = 66 dps, except its wasted on trash and mostly overkill damage. it doesnt proc burning or stacks anymore. doesnt even proc the more damage taken debuff. if you tap a poxwalker 10 damage and it procs you've wasted 71% of burst @ 1k

[brazen cradle]

So the same model weapon but medium ?

[mystic belfry]

The trick to it is to watch the timer

When it's about to come off, see if there's something big to bonk

[umbral scaffold]

I wonder if they'll rotate this jacket sometime again. Was one of the cheapest and still one of the best looking cosmetics they released, really glad I picked it up.

[sharp ember]

been playing glass cannon plasma gunner with execution stance to find and kill VIP targets before they act, very fun but need to melee to conserve ammo

[dusk idol]

try the 1A lasgun

[brazen cradle]

Okie

[sleek cairn]

does plasma really need exec stance tho

[dusk idol]

no, no it does not

or maybe it does

[foggy terrace]

Utility vet

[tardy vigil]

im sorry my guy, but that jacket is goofy, man has skipped leg day every day

[rugged portal]

I got it too. Snazzy.

[mystic belfry]

I've been running plasma tag build tbh

works well

[meager sonnet]

im open to that but is the hellbore still viable?

[foggy terrace]

Stealth stealth and more stealth

[delicate moat]

smoke vet

always be smoking

[chilly cobalt]

SCREAM AT PEOPLE FOR CAYDEEUH

[sharp ember]

hellbore is very good, but you have to play around slow equip speed

[delicate moat]

already stage 4 lung cancer

[meager sonnet]

No particualr issues with that mainly wondering what i should invest in after the new update

[dusk idol]

has anyone else been getting out of memory errors on darktide?

[wise bridge]

its also backloaded damage if you're charging it too

[rugged portal]

They really got to nix like a quarter ofnthe vets talents and then straight buff the rest to make the vet even feel like they are in the same game as every other class.

[tardy vigil]

plasma builds generally dont need major investment as they not heavily reliant on blessings, psword shout builds are very reliant on having atleast power cycler blessings, IAG builds arent really made or broken by their blessings iirc

[umbral scaffold]

If you have DarkCache that could be the reason, Mourningstar caching is way more memory than it was before.
The carnival map is also a memory hog, turned off Mourningstar caching and never had a problem again.
||Getting out of memory with 32GBs is pretty wild.||

[sleek cairn]

yesss

[tardy vigil]

Helbore does fairly well without surgical, but def helps to have it

[sleek cairn]

smoke vet !

[dusk idol]

god damn fucking right it is jesus

[sharp ember]

it's mostly for the highlight vision for awareness and wallbangs, but it helps me secure 1 headshots on elites/specials because i run Unyielding + Unarmored (locked but works for dreg gunners) instead of like Flak + Maniac

[rugged portal]

If they just made smale actually block sniper shots it would be pretty great imo.

Smoke

[tardy vigil]

you should be reaching 1tap bodyshots regardless if you're running glasscannon build tho

[delicate moat]

this ogryn map name mod is so good

[sharp ember]

mk3 helbore is very popular right now due to Surgical + Onslaught, but they're all good depending on how fast you want your gun to be

[meager sonnet]

That is what I use

But the keystones are bit weird particularly the focus one

[topaz lance]

I like this one, shame there's no helmet with a gasmask that matches it in game

[dusk idol]

@umbral scaffold where do i turn off the setting

[bold ibex]

surgical worth buying for autoguns? I already have the 'crit on weakspot hit' thing

[sleek cairn]

nono that's all very very good. i was just curious

ur reasoning is sound

[umbral scaffold]

Should be in mod settings

[dusk idol]

my smooth ass brain can't have any ideas stuck to it

oh i don't even have that mod

for heavens sake

[sharp ember]

alright I lied, it's more of a glass grenadier build because I stopped at Extra Ammo and put everything else in shredder grenade nodes

[sleek cairn]

anybody using mourningstar darkcache successfully tho?

[nimble sentinel]

RIP to the availability of this skin

[sleek cairn]

@delicate moat 30s or 15 s nade?

[umbral scaffold]

The commissariat green one fits with it, slightly different tint but hard to notice

[tardy vigil]

ah, understandable. I too have struggled with point compromises inorder to keep my nade nodes

[sharp ember]

grenade nodes is the secret 4th keystone and they rock

[delicate moat]

always 30

[dapper agate]

I like how my plasma gunner build without keystones is just flat out better then with keystones.

Also shows how bad the keystones are

[umbral scaffold]

Old vet builds are still just as strong without keystones

[tardy vigil]

actually really happy how my glass cannon build turned out with my CIAG. It sucks not having Iron will, and my day is made or broken based on how well my team can actually hold a single area for longer than 2 seconds, but it does pretty well with 500-700k damage per auric damnation

[brazen cradle]

What keystone?

[topaz lance]

Yeah I have that one, though I prefer using it with the simple armor from the commisariat that fits 100%. The pants of the bomber jacket set fit with that very well too. It's what I'm currently rocking.
I like the basic guard grunt look.

[umbral scaffold]

You don't NEED keystones to have a good build

[dapper agate]

I know, but vet especially seems to do well without them, other classes I always feel like I need a keystone.

[dusk idol]

it's just in reference to veterans grenade talents

[brazen cradle]

Oki

[umbral scaffold]

Yea, they really need to make more basic bitch cosmetics. All the snowflake cosmetics get jarring when that's all they release.

[rugged portal]

The keystones are awful but mostly because it hogs so many of your talent points to even get to them.

[brazen cradle]

How I get the 30s nade for me it's 60s

[dusk idol]

i think it's because keystones for other classes are easy to get

or easier

[pine snow]

I just want a fully sealed helmet man

[topaz lance]

Guys, hear me out.
Grenade keystone: +10% movement speed, attack speed and reload speed upon grenade explosion for 10 seconds.

[mystic belfry]

No

[dusk idol]

that is a keystone i would never use

[dapper agate]

Yeah that's also true, they need to gey rid of some of the useless stat nodes, like 25% suppression which basically doesn't matter 95% of the time anyway.

[delicate moat]

30s is tinkerer duration extension for smoke nade, 60s is the nade regen perk that gives u a nade every 60s

[pine snow]

Gib

[brazen cradle]

Oh okay sorry

[rugged portal]

This. If we had less talents eating up our pool, we'd be able to get our keystones AND play around and get some other stuff to complete the build.

[dusk idol]

how about as a keystone we just, get crit if people die near us

[brazen cradle]

I try to play vet but very different than zealot

[dusk idol]

that'd be awesome

oh wait

[delicate moat]

so optimally everyone should die 😂

[nimble sentinel]

Atoma has fallen

[buoyant hound]

Also full kasrkin suit/ outfit.

The things we had by now were awful

[topaz lance]

Sounds fun to me 😀

[tardy vigil]

nah, after they butchered the krieger set, i really dont want them touching kasrkin/tempestous armor

[rugged portal]

That "+25% Ammo" talent should just be a thing the Vet has standard. They should just have extra ammo by default.

[pine snow]

100% agree

[delicate moat]

potentially more useful nade keystone could allow u to switch between nades as situation requires

[dusk idol]

i'd murder everyone on the mourningstar if it meant i had a keystone which didn't make me use my stupid pea brain

[pine snow]

Feels like they let the penance people do the vet skill tree i swear

[buoyant hound]

They had a kasrkin suit but it was missing the plate armour around the hip and also that guy seems 50% thinner than a normal suit

[delicate moat]

inquisitor, this person right here

[brazen cradle]

Best nade ?

[dapper agate]

Well they did used to have that as a standard feature (well it was 40%) so it would be nice to have that built-in again. Or they could at least place it near the top of the tree so it's easy to grab.

[delicate moat]

always

[dusk idol]

shredder or kraks, depends on what your kit has

[brazen cradle]

Lol

With my lasgun

1a

[dusk idol]

if you lack horde breaking abilities, go shredder, if you lack armour killing, go kraks

[delicate moat]

if you enjoy ventilation purge, go smoke

[thick kestrel]

Frags for crowd control, Kraks for giving THAT particular guy, over there, a very bad day

[tardy vigil]

subjective, Krak does highest damage to bosses and will 1tap crushers, but has very very limited range. Shredder is a good micro stun and staggers just enough to revive someone or get you some breathing room. Smokes have....potential, map design (minus the new map) doesnt really lend itself to being a must have pick

[brazen cradle]

Okay

[nimble sentinel]

Go full Reagan and save the world by giving it free krak

[brazen cradle]

Thanks for ur help guys

[dusk idol]

begin the krak epidemic

[umbral scaffold]

Grenade keystone: Pressing G while holding grenades lets you cycle between all three variants. Throwing a variant grenade that you don't have the feat for consumes 2 grenades.
Feat Option 1: Throwing grenades gives you and teammates in coherency 20% toughness
Feat Option 1: Exploding grenades have a 10% chance to explode again for you and allies in coherency.
Feat Option 2: Having no grenades gives you 20% damage boost, 10% movement speed.
Feat Option 2: Thrown grenades have a 20% chance of not being consumed.

[thick kestrel]

it is also worth noting that double Frags stack their bleed effect and can turn out a surprising amount of damage against armoured targets

[frank ledge]

[tardy vigil]

ah i remember when my MG12 had 1400 rounds, those were the days

[thick kestrel]

due to how bleeds work out they get more powerful the more that are applied in a short window

[wise bridge]

if you have rending and brittle you can do damage with bleed on armored targets too :3

[thick kestrel]

yarp

[dusk idol]

onslaught no longer stacks on bleed

[delicate moat]

[dusk idol]

why must they take what i love from me

[mystic belfry]

Play ogryn

[delicate moat]

eat everyone as rations

[dusk idol]

or any other class

[rugged portal]

If they made smokes able to block sniper shots and just gave you, like, 5 smoke grenades base, they would be pretty great imo. The biggest problems with smokes is that they don't do enough but being able to use more of them would balance that out imo.

[delicate moat]

make them extinguish fire too and you have a serious contender

[dusk idol]

smoke grenades aren't useless

[tardy vigil]

having more smokes is good, disagree somewhat on the sniper shots, but i also religiously avoid sniper gauntlet, so i'd probably agree with you there, Smokes do need to snuff out fire though

[bronze atlas]

I would use this

[dusk idol]

they just aren't that useful in the same situations as your other choices most of the time

[delicate moat]

i died so many times to fire

[bronze atlas]

No more waiting...

[delicate moat]

it's not even waiting, it's when 3 bombers decide the floor is lava time u can save ur team

[broken spade]

that would actually be great

[dusk idol]

the only time, and I genuinely mean the only time smoke grenades do anything better than the other grenades is into shooter rooms

like 20 gunners

scab stalkers

dreg shooters

[tardy vigil]

you keep posting that webm and showing dogs and flamers, do a use case against the gunner surprise and then we'll talk. Dogs are only an issue on hunting grounds and flamers will force you to leave smoke, only buying you a few seconds at most

[rugged portal]

They are by no means useless. They just have far less immediate impact than any other grenade by design. I think having more of them to use would balance that out.

[delicate moat]

the worst is when 20 shotgunners spawn around u suddenly and then they keep pushing you around by alternating fire while u dodge

[dusk idol]

if they had more functionality as well

[umbral scaffold]

Do you not see the reapers, gunners and shotgunners?

[dusk idol]

if they were able to do more

they'd be nice

losing out on monstrosity stagger is huge

[rugged portal]

Exactly.

[dusk idol]

especially if you don't have anything in your kit that can do it

[rugged portal]

Which is why I wish they blocked snipers. Putting out fires is also a good call.

[delicate moat]

just those 2 changes alone would make it incredibly valuable

[forest maple]

Was there a new patch today or something?

[nimble sentinel]

I’m working and can’t actually check right now, can someone confirm if the mg4 pierces through pox walkers?

[dusk idol]

there was a little hotfix recently

[umbral scaffold]

Smoke does stagger monstros

[forest maple]

the hotfix? that was like a day ago

[dusk idol]

does it?

[umbral scaffold]

Let me see, I might be having a schizo moment but I remember them doing so

[tardy vigil]

i did, and it looks like their AI isn't even waking up for a good portion of the webm. Shotgunners get active and immediately close the distance, gunners dont even move until you threw a smoke right on top of them, and the reapers didnt even turn

[umbral scaffold]

That's because they can't target me inside the smoke

Their AI doesn't make them run up to you like shotgunners, dogs or flamers

[dusk idol]

just tested it

they do not stagger monstrosities

[umbral scaffold]

So they just stand there holding their dicks

[dusk idol]

no, they keep attacking you

i have my ai off because i spawned a chaos spawn but i'll test with plogryn after

[dapper agate]

Hopefully FS reworks/replaces Focus, since it's basically a shittier version of the Ogryn Taunt Modifier that makes all taunted enemies take 25% damage, meanwhile vets version only affects 1 enemy, which in a horde game is nothing.

They could replace Focus with a melee focused keystone for melee vet to use. Maybe it could be that for every enemy you kill in melee you get stacks of bloodlust and each stack increases melee attack speed and damage by 1%, can stack 20 times, lasts 6 seconds. So basically you'd turn into a whirlwind of death when the game chucks copious amounts of enemies at you.

Modifiers could be
Bloodstorm: Max stacks increased to 30
Head Lopper: Weakspot kills count as 2 kills and stacks of bloodlust now also increase melee weakspot damage by 1%
Unstoppable Hatred: Whenever you are hit you gain 5 stacks of bloodlust, each stack of bloodlust also now reduces toughness damage taken by 1%

Although thinking on this, I think this kind of keystone might make more sense on the zealot.

[umbral scaffold]

Yea, it doesn't stagger monstros, had a schizo moment

[dusk idol]

doesn't even peel them off of you, so yeah, it is kinda big losing out on that momentary cc

[forest breach]

oooooor make focus more like victors tagging in vt2, hell, maybe even add a upgrade to shout that makes enemies hit by it count as "tagged". and none of that stacking bs, just give us a set number instead, like 20-30% more damage

[umbral scaffold]

@tardy vigil

[dapper agate]

Yeah, fixed number that can be applied instantly like WHC would probably solve the problem.

[drifting oak]

the fact they keep shooting along the same vector for many seconds safterward

basically makes smokes virtually worthless when you need them most; when you're caught in a choke or narrow space

aka there's no cover to take

[dusk idol]

fkn

[umbral scaffold]

It lets you unfuck fucked situation

[dusk idol]

why not make smokes like the smokes from astartes

[drifting oak]

it doesn't unfuck shit because your team will be fighting in the same space, the bullets are vectors

and they just keep unloading

[dusk idol]

just blind the fucks outright

[devout maple]

Smoke is veterans best grenade, people are just not creative with their use

[drifting oak]

if the gunners stopped firing immediately it'd be fine

[round phoenix]

Only on gunners I'd say they're worthless

[umbral scaffold]

That is if they already started shooting, they can't target you inside the smoke after

[drifting oak]

but no, they just keep... shooting... in live practice I've seen them shooting for like 8+ seconds into the same area

they don't need to target anything

they're firing

they keep firing

[round phoenix]

when you're a weapon spec vet with mostly close quarters stuff? stuffing packs of regular shooters is good

[drifting oak]

the bullets travel in actual physical lines

if you walk into the bullets you take hits

[umbral scaffold]

Duh?

[drifting oak]

on a typical flat area with fire scything through it, the smoke grenade goes off and the whole place is still getting fucked by bullets anyway

absolutely fucking useless

and any other take is massive cope

[tardy vigil]

huh, i stand corrected. Now i want to know is what is causing them to reposition in an actual match. because when i see a smoke grenade go down on anything other than to cover a revive, its an immediate repositioning of everything, but that might just be to poor smoke placement relative to the team

[drifting oak]

if you have the space to maneuver, you don't need the smoke to begin with

but like oh you need to get a rez on a guy who got fucked by gunners?

if you smoke him and try to rez him you just get hit by the same bullets

wow, so clutch

so useful

[round phoenix]

yeah but seperate smokes from the VS gunners matchup for a minute

nothings good in every situation

[drifting oak]

why does smoke not just make them stop shooting instantly, why do they keep shooting for another 8+ seconds even after the smoke pops

[drifting oak]

unironically what fucking situation

if you have the drop on the gunners

they're already fucking dead

like if they're unaggroed and not targetted/shooting

you don't need a smoke for them

because they're not even on the board

[delicate moat]

how come we dont have flashbangs on vet

[round phoenix]

it ONLY doesn't work on gunners. ON regular shooters and shotgunners they DONT fire into the smoke and either go for cover or are forced into melee

[umbral scaffold]

Because gunners are supposed to be suppressive shooters. If you break LoS they'll keep shooting the last place they had targeting on you.

[untold mulch]

Flashbang would be nicer ngl

[drifting oak]

and regular gunner sand shotgunners can, guess what, be handled by literally nay other grenade

[dapper agate]

Smoke grenades should be replaced with a "Holy Incense" (gas) grenades that poison and slow enemies while slowly regenerating friendlies toughness if they're standing in the smoke. Basically it'd be a buff/CC/damage grenade. Jack-of-all-trades, master of none type deal.

[dusk idol]

think that's what stun grenades are meant to be

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/fail-raid-flashbang-army-gif-18254391

[drifting oak]

you can throw a krak grenade into a bunch of shotgunner sand it'll still bail you out of the situation

[dusk idol]

but for some reason they do electrical damage

[untold mulch]

Oh

[drifting oak]

the one thing the smoke grenade should counter instead baits you into dying anyway

reapers, gunners, oh yeah and snipers see straight throughit

[umbral scaffold]

Just because you don't know how to use it doesn't mean it's bad

[untold mulch]

Just, flashbang fits the game better

If you are defensive, you are kinda karking up in most situations

[round phoenix]

im sorry if you got baited once and are mad about it but its the Gunners JOB to supress an area

if you want the sneaky clutch rez, take Infiltrate

[dusk idol]

i tried infiltrate and smoke together on the carnival

[drifting oak]

you don't think the fact the grenade is shit at what it's supposed to do and the one thing it could pOSSIBLY do over other grenades, is a problem?

[dusk idol]

man it was really not fun when a beast of nurgle showed up

[drifting oak]

i give up lol

"just use it more skillfully"

that there's fucking

[dusk idol]

watching my teammate getting eaten lol

[drifting oak]

knife main excuses

knife objective shit against poxwalkers compared to anycleaving weapon

and you'll get people going "oh you're just not using it SKILLFULLY enough"

[round phoenix]

Look. Tell ME how you're crossing an area with regular shooters with a shotgun and a shovel?

[dusk idol]

not spamming lmb hard enough

[drifting oak]

mate in what world is chopping one poxwalker head off per swing better than a savage sweep

[round phoenix]

without smokes

[umbral scaffold]

Knife IS good though, the fuck you on about. One of the best melees on veteran

[drifting oak]

you do know you can get 100% uptime on iframes by slide spamming right

[dusk idol]

i normally just sprint slide

[round phoenix]

Lots of melees are good after the big patch

[drifting oak]

it's not even hard

literally just slide into them

[round phoenix]

shovel fun.

[dusk idol]

or i shoot them with my shotgun

[drifting oak]

smoke grenade is completely extraneous for "cross the gap"

[dusk idol]

since shotgun is nice now

[untold mulch]

Shotgun has a lot of range

[dusk idol]

it really does

[delicate moat]

oh yeah anyone got shovel build

[dusk idol]

it feels lovely

[drifting oak]

you can just iceskate over there, and once you're in melee you can start sliding spamming for like ~90% uptime

[umbral scaffold]

I can't tell if this guy is baiting

[drifting oak]

there's ONE use for the smoke grenade, to protect you when you have to stand still for rezes, objectives, or even just taking cover in narrow spaces

[brazen cradle]

U think we get a new weapons for part 2 carnival ?

[sleek cairn]

shotgun should be able to suppress them

[round phoenix]

Look balista. If you dont like the smokes just...take something else? why moan? you've got 2 perfectly fine options already on the tree

[drifting oak]

and WOW gunners just completely negate that I guess

[umbral scaffold]

Or if he is actually room temp IQ

[untold mulch]

I pop infiltrate and do a recreation of the Edgerunners beginning scene on the shooter line

[drifting oak]

Because no1 big brain here is claiming that there's a use for them and I'm just not "skillful" enough

sounds more to me like he has no fucking idea how to slide

[jolly hemlock]

is recon still viable and if so does someone has a build? i intend to use it together with psword

[dusk idol]

they are sadly

[untold mulch]

Hopefully

[dusk idol]

in a very bad place right now

[drifting oak]

recon damage is fine, the problem is ammo economy, worse than ogyrn stubbers for what you get

[sleek cairn]

@umbral scaffold i like smokes just for this vibe

[drifting oak]

killing two shooter patrols will leave you with less than half your ammo left

[round phoenix]

I mean thats a bit closed minded. Theres a niche for em. Its not great but it exists

[sleek cairn]

every encounter becomes this

[drifting oak]

WHAT
NICHE

TELL ME

[jolly hemlock]

ugh even with the ammo perk?

[untold mulch]

They are possible to use

But you are underperforming

[spark hamlet]

worth nabbing?

[drifting oak]

You can ice skate into any enemy if you have a pathway to walk

[round phoenix]

I already did but you decided that wasn't good enough so I'm basically talking to a brick wall

[dusk idol]

the one room where you're surrounded by shooters on all sides

[untold mulch]

Shocktrooper was stealth changed to do jackshit to recon

[drifting oak]

you can simply dodge back and forth while shooting and evade 90% of shots

[dusk idol]

that's the only niche i found for them

[drifting oak]

it is NOT hard

[jolly hemlock]

nah i meant the ammo refund one

[untold mulch]

Shocktrooper no?

Or scavenger uou mean?

[dusk idol]

survivalist?

[drifting oak]

the only way a smoke grenade needs to protect you is when you're forced to stand still or don't even have the leeway to slide back and forth aka getting pinned by flames and so on

But... smoke grenade doesn't do that

[umbral scaffold]

"Smoke bad, has no uses, no impact at all."

[jolly hemlock]

naw the first node i think the yellow one

[bronze atlas]

More or less pre-bricked i wouldn't. The mk1 isnt popular either

[lime cedar]

I just come with reminde that knifes and dagger sucks

[drifting oak]

dude I watched your shit webm already

[untold mulch]

Yeah, doesnt save it

Not enough ammo back

[drifting oak]

have you ever considered that one corner or box already

hard counters dogs

you don't need a smoke for that

literally stand on a railing or box

immune to dogs

WOW MUCH SKILL

[umbral scaffold]

Then you fail to realize the applications for smoke

[drifting oak]

no, it's that smoke is literally already obsolete

[jolly hemlock]

so barely any armor pen anymore and ammo problems huh

[drifting oak]

I can post a webm of me jumping onto a box and teabagging

[round phoenix]

or I can pop a smoke thats going to regen in 60 seconds anyway

and give my entire team immunity to dogs?

[drifting oak]

and your opportunity cost is no frags, no kraks, hardcore trolling

if smokes were free, sure

but they aren't

[untold mulch]

It is in the dirt

[umbral scaffold]

I want whatever this guy is smoking

[jolly hemlock]

kk thanks guess ill try other options for me

[sleek cairn]

haha i get it

[delicate moat]

premium veteran smoke

[drifting oak]

you have to make the active decision to leave a fucking vital tool empty to take meme smokes that do jack all that can't be accomplished by other means in the game that EVERY PLAYER HAS

[sleek cairn]

its not like kraks are vital either , calm down

[round phoenix]

This is so dumb. If you think they're bad and not good, dont take them? Move on with your life

[spark hamlet]

This is getting a bit heated

[devout maple]

I'll send you a box for 14000 aquilas

[untold mulch]

I am using laspistol with FullAuto mode (for no carpal tunnel lmao) as a poor man Recon

[spark hamlet]

let people play how they want to

[jolly hemlock]

yea las pistol would be one of the options

[drifting oak]

close gaps? slide lol
fight shooterse in the open? dodge lol

Take them if you think they're fun, I don't give a shit, but don't cope by saying "w-well you're just not SMART ENOUGH to KNOW how to use them!"

no it's that I have higher than 2 IQ and I can simply hit the shift key

and the crouch key

[lime cedar]

Knifes and daggers sucks

[drifting oak]

if the argument is to protect teammates who don't know how to use either of those

[sleek cairn]

@drifting oak i mean that goes for krak and frag too...

[devout maple]

Guys don't bother with this lad, he be karkin losing it hard to nurgle

[sleek cairn]

lol ppl here argue krak is like, whatever

[drifting oak]

what tool hard staggers enemies in a huge AOE radius that everyone has access to by virtue of booting up darktide

please, enlighten me what key I need to hit on my keyboard for that

[spark hamlet]

i swear by krak unless i'm using a plasma gun

[sleek cairn]

F

[drifting oak]

everyone

[untold mulch]

Frag is soo good when I need the horde to LEAVE ME ALONE A SEC

[spark hamlet]

'need the horde to LEAVE'

"ok"

[untold mulch]

Just the stagger is peak

[devout maple]

I don't want the horde to leave, they fuel my revolver

[untold mulch]

I politely ask them

[drifting oak]

the argument that smoke protects your team is basically saying that your team doesn't even know how to use dodge and slide, in which case there is literally no helping them and you'd be better with a bot anyway

[sleek cairn]

i mean for us melee vets, smoke can refund us 2 points lol cuz of the agile engagement pathing. Since the nades are all wutever for those of us that can handle anything..

[untold mulch]

Honestly I am somewhat in balista side

Smoke needs more utility

[sleek cairn]

i dont use the smokes that much either

[drifting oak]

and yeah that's fine

but it's not the lookit mister big brain here argument of "you just don't know HOW to use them?"

why do I need to use them?

[devout maple]

Coule use a slight boost in radius

[drifting oak]

I have a keyboard

[sleek cairn]

idunno where that conversation started

[untold mulch]

Fire clearing maybe as I heard

[round phoenix]

agile engagement my beloved ❤️

[drifting oak]

no1 posting his webms of smokes "doing something" that can't already be done with movement keys and basic map design

[sleek cairn]

i was just saying a lot of us use smokes cuz of the 2 point save thanks to 10% melee + agile engagement followed by 5% crit lol

that's about it really

[drifting oak]

countering dog modifier? my brother in christ, stand on a box or behind a doorway or a railing

[untold mulch]

Point tax is shit

[drifting oak]

immune to dogs, wao

[devout maple]

Could also do a small stagger to nearby enemies

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

[drifting oak]

if your team is dumb enough to hardpush forward into the open while a dog swarm is coming

that's on them

[sleek cairn]

same reason ppl take 5% dmg aura after a krak and grenade tinker. I dont think they care about the aura, I treat smokes the same way and use it to blind my teammates on Lights Out

[round phoenix]

yes because your pubbie teammates are clearly always GODS among men

[drifting oak]

Smokes could do any or all of the following:

• put out/suppress fires
• instantly cancel gunner/reaper aggro
• debuff enemies
• buff allies
• ACTUALLY BLIND SNIPERS HOLY SHIT

[round phoenix]

bruh. set your lobbies to private and turn the bots off. I dont wanna run into you in queue ever

[drifting oak]

and they might actually be worth taking

but they do zero (0) of these things

[untold mulch]

Get sniped

[buoyant hound]

Snipe back

[untold mulch]

I think I have only seen someone use a smoke

Like ONCE since patch 13

[drifting oak]

they don't need to be gods, but they at least need to know where their keyboard is

[sleek cairn]

to be fair snipers are currently perma smoked on their own accord 😂

[buoyant hound]

Mark that guy and let me do the rest. Keep my back safe tho

[untold mulch]

Half of PUGs are out

[drifting oak]

only sometimes

[sleek cairn]

them snipers already be smokin something

dunno wut it is

[drifting oak]

but that half the time is pretty funny

"sniper, why are you literally running into the melee"

I swear that their movement AI is telling them to, like, take a flank/rear position

but they already spawned in front of the team

[untold mulch]

Snipers are either in the silliest of places

Or mf is quickscoping me

[drifting oak]

and instead of taking a door to flank they decide to walk instead?

that's the only explanation I have

[untold mulch]

I saw a sniper lock on a friendly

AND CHANGE TARGETS MID SHOT TO ME

[grand sable]

should I swap stam with carapace or flak?
and what should I swap trauma with

[drifting oak]

for why a sniper would run at the front of hte team and then keep running

through the whole team

[untold mulch]

They would never see it coming

[drifting oak]

flak, shovel damage versus carapace is basically nil to begin with to the point where you should probably be using another weapon

+25% of nothing is still nothing

[violet veldt]

which autogun is the good rn?

[drifting oak]

braced, agrippa is still ruler of the roost
for IAG? unironically pick the one you like most at this point

[sleek cairn]

someone reasoned when u inspect a smoke, it's cool as shit so u gotta take it

with the pin and all

i think u twirl it?

lemme see

[untold mulch]

Doesnt frag too?

[sleek cairn]

idunno i dont inspect my nades

do u inspect ur nades before u throw it to style on ur enemies

[thick kestrel]

there's a chance for an alt spinning pin animation iirc

[untold mulch]

I vaguely remember pickikg my frag and spinning the pin

[sleek cairn]

smh tony hawk style points all over again

[untold mulch]

Most professional Loose Cannon

[thick kestrel]

similar to the ogryn shaking the box of hurt occaisonally before opening it

[untold mulch]

Plays with a live nade

[mystic escarp]

Swap Trauma to Decimator and Stam to Maniac or Flak
Unyielding is kinda useless on shovel, but it's ok

[gilded kernel]

what do you guys think of the hotfix?

[sleek cairn]

good

it fixed

[gilded kernel]

completely?

[sleek cairn]

ur obama, what did u want fixed

[gilded kernel]

good question

honestly, i've been playing a bunch of zealot recently so seeing the new keystones for vet left me confused

[sleek cairn]

u give my vet obamacare as a node

and i'll answer u properly

[gilded kernel]

still don't really get the gist of the keystones

[untold mulch]

They didnt even fix takedown

[dusk idol]

the hotfix was mostly just notes they forgot to put in

[gilded kernel]

need an eli5 on them lol

[untold mulch]

The hotfix was truly a hotfix of all time

[gilded kernel]

real

[dusk idol]

truly one of the hotfixes of history

[untold mulch]

I think they almost did something in it

[gilded kernel]

are recon lasguns still just lightshows

or do they have value now

[untold mulch]

Not like the KARKING TAKEDOWN JUST NEEDS A SINGLE -

[dusk idol]

they're sad flashlights that suck up ammo

[gilded kernel]

rats

[untold mulch]

With the marksman keystone they do good damage I heard

But ammo is silly

[gilded kernel]

i've seen a bunch of vets running plasma guns

[untold mulch]

In the bad way

[dusk idol]

plasma is pretty strong

[untold mulch]

Plasma is top tier now

[dusk idol]

like just a smidge down from revolver

[gilded kernel]

beats out the bolty right

[dusk idol]

yer

[gilded kernel]

is revolver s tier on vet?

[sleek cairn]

yes

[dusk idol]

it's pretty bloody good

[gilded kernel]

thought of it more like a zealot gun

[untold mulch]

Revolver fans still thinking is balanced

[sleek cairn]

revolver isnt jsut S tier, it's the end of all things.

[gilded kernel]

what blessings?

[violet veldt]

what r some good perks and traits on agripa

[dusk idol]

balanced lmao

[sleek cairn]

All my life has lead to this one gun. The revolver

[untold mulch]

I laugh everytime I saw someone defending revolver

[dusk idol]

there are no downsides to the revolver, high damage, average reload, penetration, awesome ammo economy?

like jesus

[sleek cairn]

U dont even need to reload it now yeah

[untold mulch]

No, but you see I reload one on one

Oh right melee keystone

[sleek cairn]

AND u dont need to headshot anymore, u can now bodyshot to kill

[dusk idol]

especially if you're running survivalist, you will never run red in ammo

[sleek cairn]

i always just spam Q to reload now + bodyshot cuz im too lazy and it does too much dmg

i mean even if u try to bodyshot it'll headhshot for u

lol

projectile the size of a car

gl trying to bodyshot

[dusk idol]

i always thought fatshark making the bolter godly was just our little power fantasy

[untold mulch]

Goddamn

[dusk idol]

because bolters are cool

[drifting oak]

still sucks in a stand-and-shoot situation

which is not rare

[untold mulch]

Bolter deserves to be a chonky weapon

[dusk idol]

against basic shooter rooms? yeah

[drifting oak]

sure it's good in mixed combat but there are plenty of times when you need to brrrrt 8 elite gunners and 20 shooters

[sleek cairn]

fk it leave it to gun psyker, they're better at it now

[untold mulch]

And I say this as someone who uses only las

[dusk idol]

but it's not weak, and you can just draw them into melee by dodge sliding

[untold mulch]

😔

[sleek cairn]

need to brrr? use psyker and set them all on fire

they'll probably do it 2x faster and kill ur boss for u

[nimble sentinel]

But then I have to be a stinky witch

[gilded kernel]

until they shoot u point blank smh

[meager sonnet]

thoughts?

[dusk idol]

veteran toughness moment

https://tenor.com/view/flosktchs-toilet-paper-animation-gif-23257767

[untold mulch]

Only a few bother do that, and is not hard to avoid

At least to my expeienece

[copper parcel]

This feels about like it' the closest I'm goign to get to 'perfect' with a Power Sword

[dusk idol]

and it's nothing a shove to the face doesn't fix anyway

[sleek cairn]

i like ur perks on that. I prefer brutal momentum but yeah

[untold mulch]

For melee vet, revolver is silly

[sleek cairn]

not a fan of the mobility

[untold mulch]

You basically have a free imstant delete button

[dusk idol]

even for ranged vet

shout vet

[copper parcel]

If it weren't my only power sword with power cycler two right now and the other wasn't locked from further mods I would have consumed this one to bank Power Cycler tier 4

[sleek cairn]

oh shit. yeah, earn that power cycler 4 asap

whenever u can

[dusk idol]

power cycler 2

1.5 energised swings

[untold mulch]

Rans out of battery mid sweep

[sleek cairn]

i'd still use it guys

[plucky cosmos]

who thought its a good idea to nerf VoC

[sleek cairn]

the thing was OP tho

[untold mulch]

Yeah

[gilded kernel]

is there something about power swords i don't get?

[plucky cosmos]

still

[copper parcel]

It was pretty strong and needed reigning in. It's still fairly good

[gilded kernel]

i feel like that shit sucks if it's not powered up

[plucky cosmos]

its a huge team support ult

[dusk idol]

like brother

what is that

[plucky cosmos]

now it feels kinda trash

[gilded kernel]

i get it's in the name but got dam

[untold mulch]

Ot because it does

But energized is silly

[untold mulch]

Balanced

[copper parcel]

They melt hordes and it's why Power Cycler 1 or (preferably) Power Cycler 2 is mandatory on them

[sleek cairn]

if u want a defensive point, it's good value. but if u need a point for damage, i can see why u'd take it out

[untold mulch]

I still ue chainsword

🗿

[gilded kernel]

idk man my dc4 w them cleave blessings makes lightwork of hjordes

[copper parcel]

Oh nothing wrong with the chain sword; it's more versatile than the Power swords are

[gilded kernel]

chainsword is cool

[gilded kernel]

honestly

[sleek cairn]

umm

[untold mulch]

Csword goes vrrrt

[sleek cairn]

be careful

u dont wanna say chainswords are more versatile than psword around these parts

[plucky cosmos]

my vet is set for team survival you say and this just ruined it abit

[sleek cairn]

u'll get put on a stake

[gilded kernel]

no way

[copper parcel]

Single target the chain sword beats out the power sword but when energized power swords are better at horde clear. You need good cleave blessings in my experience to get the CS good for hordes

[untold mulch]

You get put on a stake in this chat for anything

[gilded kernel]

u gotta be huffin copium if u fr think psword better than csword

[gaunt delta]

Several people are typing…

[copper parcel]

Welcome to the internet

[sleek cairn]

please no, end my misery i dont want more arguments from this chat

[dusk idol]

alright boys, throw him in the ocean

[sleek cairn]

just dont say it

please

[whole moon]

Really? I've never had an issue w just heavy swings

[empty heron]

Build for this?

[untold mulch]

Wrath and Rampage

[topaz lance]

cleave + power blessing + 30% weakspot damage node works well on hordes

[dusk idol]

uhhh lemme get it on builder for you

[untold mulch]

Let the heretics hit the floor

[gilded kernel]

such a satisfying feeling

damn all this talk kinda makes me wanna play

[whole moon]

Lol same, cba tho. Zero energy day apparently

[sleek cairn]

u should; it's better to play than to claim psword is far shittier than chainsword here lol, ur gonna get shot

this place aint safe

run

[empty heron]

Hmm. What about Power Chain Sword

That would be something

[gilded kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-driver-movie-baby-driver-baby-driver-gi-fs-jon-hamm-consequences-gif-8501730

[gilded kernel]

power chain axe would be insanity

imagine what that would do to a crusher

special rev's and charges

[empty heron]

Thanks!

[gilded kernel]

nah fuck all that, wheres the fucking sniper rifle for vet

i still remember the datamine

[dusk idol]

wait

i fucked up

[dusk idol]

bring kill zone as well

[sleek cairn]

u just linked the "Please revert the vet tree" build

[dusk idol]

the talent node bottom left under survivalist

[sleek cairn]

loool

[dusk idol]

actually works pretty good tbh

[sleek cairn]

i know

it's everything we wanted prior

[gilded kernel]

hand cannon iv is nuts

[sleek cairn]

it can't be wrong, it's just hilarious

[untold mulch]

Eviscerator is one by lore

[gilded kernel]

did u roll that naturally @dusk idol

wait nvm

[dusk idol]

i had hand cannon 3 on it and stam as a perk

[gilded kernel]

sick roll altogether tho

[dusk idol]

just changed it to what blessings i did have

[cloud current]

but you can get one taps on reapers with XII so is this really all that special?

[gilded kernel]

how?????

[dusk idol]

with exec stance?

[sleek cairn]

do i care if i one tap reapers with XII tho

lol

[tardy vigil]

bruh, its already hard enough to do vets job of range clear in a timely fashion with the sheer volume of some of these shooting galleries on auric, and you want to do the same with a sniper rifle?

[gilded kernel]

like a damn near perfect 80 roll and this does me NO justice on auric

[sleek cairn]

just shoot again

[gilded kernel]

if the sniper is bolt action, yes.

[sleek cairn]

u can use the helbore and suffer

[dusk idol]

if it's a long las

i'd take that shit in a heartbeat

[whole moon]

At the same time it has a particular best use. Reverse falloff damage for instance

[empty heron]

I like the eviscerator now

[gilded kernel]

holy shit you're joking

[untold mulch]

[topaz lance]

oh boy, I'd love a bolt action in Darktide. Let me shoot shotty slugs with it and I'm happy

[dusk idol]

nnnope

[gilded kernel]

there's reverse falloff for lasguns???

what the fuck

[dusk idol]

for the kantraels yeah

[sleek cairn]

didnt recons have it too

[tardy vigil]

there's no way the mk12 survive the inverse damage falloff while the mk6 recon didnt

[dusk idol]

think so, think they kinda got gimped though

[untold mulch]

VId did and wss changed

[woeful junco]

one of the recon marks had it too but that got fixed i think

[sleek cairn]

shame

holy smokes it's hank

[proven plaza]

i love my aripinaa IX headhunter

[midnight mortar]

The VId had it, but it was changed.

[tardy vigil]

jesus it does lmao

[dusk idol]

it''s had it since launch

[gilded kernel]

so from the looks of it

[woeful junco]

hello

[forest maple]

Reverse falloff means less damage the closer the enemy is?

[dusk idol]

or at least a long ass damn time

[gilded kernel]

im gonna be grinding for a nasty revolver, plasma gun, and any autogun

[untold mulch]

Yeah, get a damage boost when they are further

[gilded kernel]

bye lasgun see ya next patch u become cool again

[empty heron]

Zealots have reverse, reverse falloff imagine that

[forest maple]

huh?

[dusk idol]

so normal fall off

[untold mulch]

Lasgun line needs love

[dusk idol]

their ability is the opposite of our longshot talent

it's just more damage the closer targets are

[gilded kernel]

make recon lasguns worth again

[sleek cairn]

arent u usually policing the ogryn chat? we've been good bois, promise.

[empty heron]

we have reverse, reverse reverse falloff

[gusty bison]

Its +25% to targets under 8m

[dusk idol]

we ain't got falloff

[woeful junco]

it's quiet in there

[dusk idol]

we got riseon

[gusty bison]

So basically same range as all close range blessings

[empty heron]

[gilded kernel]

when you guys play vet, your first priority is anything that shoots right

[gusty bison]

Longshot is +10% at 8m and scales i think to +25% at 30m

[gilded kernel]

and then specials and so on

[dusk idol]

first priority are disablers, and then area controllers

[woeful junco]

specials are always priority number one

[midnight mortar]

Sorry but 3 weeks of relevance for the VId is all that can be afforded for the Accatran line.

[gusty bison]

Your first priority is not dying

[dusk idol]

gunners and shooters are after them

unless they're actively killing you

[gilded kernel]

area controllers are like flamers n bombers right

[empty heron]

First priority is the emperor

[gusty bison]

Dont go after a target if its gonna kill ya

[dusk idol]

yer

[sleek cairn]

for me, my top priority is whatever is being ignored. Like the stray poxburster that nobody wants to deal with

[midnight mortar]

It depends on distance and imminent threat. But generally speaking for offense, yes I'll be trying to thin out gunners and shooters unless we're in a covered position which has more immediate concerns.

[gilded kernel]

reasonable

[midnight mortar]

Closer flamers may matter more than the gunners I'd just suppressed.

[frank ledge]

Is that the emprah?

[sleek cairn]

everytime u think ur teammate will deal with the poxburster... they wont!

[gilded kernel]

ok good to know im doin my part then

[midnight mortar]

Or ragers incoming that I have clear line of sight for their heads on.

And yeah, turning around to deal with the stragglers, bursters, mutants, and etc.

[dusk idol]

the congaline of shotgunners coming through the doorway

[plucky cosmos]

Volley adept or Superiority complex

[empty heron]

Sister Repentia

[gilded kernel]

would you say that psykers and vets are somewhat interchangeable?

[woeful junco]

if I'm playing squad leader vet with a power sword and krak grenades, then shooters aren't near the top of my list to deal with. I'm manhandling the melee elites

[midnight mortar]

God yes, especially this with the new spawn director.

[gilded kernel]

as in the role they serve

[woeful junco]

so depends on your loadout too

[frank ledge]

Sister emprah

[dusk idol]

interchangable? mmm

[frank ledge]

[dusk idol]

not really

[midnight mortar]

Fucking shotgun execution squads rolling through.

[forest maple]

for real, new patch turned spawns to 11

[sleek cairn]

atleast they're super juicy to chop

[forest maple]

getting consistently 3000+ kills per run

[sleek cairn]

i get so excited when i see shotgunners lol

[gilded kernel]

is anyone running out of ammo in the final hold on the carnival too

[latent mountain]

Shotguns are fun tbh, whats really a pain is a bulwark/crusher wave

[sleek cairn]

gunners tho.. goddamn they disperse and hide and take cover under a fence 5 miles away

[gilded kernel]

happened twice

[midnight mortar]

I'm usually more worried that they'll start racking on my squadmates than anything with shotgunners.

[empty heron]

Ammo on Carnival can be rough

[gilded kernel]

and then randomly rain down on you

[midnight mortar]

But I don't trust my teammates to not just get eviscerated by them.

[round yacht]

Guys whats the dump stat on the knife? is it mobility?

[midnight mortar]

I use an MG XII, so no.

[sick marsh]

Got wrath 4 on that devil claw.

[dusk idol]

the only thing veterans can do that psykers can't do are ammo resupply to the team, and overtoughness

[gilded kernel]

from the frame drops to the intense holds, the new map sure is something

[dusk idol]

and field improv

[sleek cairn]

dude im superstitious, sometimes you know the gunner u mark that hides under cover for the whole 5 minutes u stare at it.

But the milisecond u look away he's blastin you?

[empty heron]

I absolutely love the new map but it is significantly harder than the others ones imo

[dusk idol]

oh and plasma guns

[untold mulch]

Gunpsyker is that good?

[sick marsh]

I got wrath 4 on devils claw, what other blessing should I look for?

[untold mulch]

💀

[dusk idol]

but it's basically patch 13 voidstrike staff

[gilded kernel]

its ALOT of holding areas

gotta do the pinch n pull tactic so much

[dusk idol]

it's honestly better than exec stance

for raw output

[empty heron]

True! I found the final hold was MUCH easier if you just stand where you enter the area

[gilded kernel]

gunpsykers are nutty

[untold mulch]

Fatshark doing a. Fatshark I see

[sleek cairn]

gun psyker is so good, u should probably go to psyker if u want to use columnus lol

[topaz lance]

How do I build Vraks VII HH with the left keystone?

[dusk idol]

they get invulnerability to range hits on crit and toughness back on crit hits

[gilded kernel]

it's not even the hold per say, it's moreso the damn flare at the end

[dusk idol]

and their scriers gaze gives them 20% crit

[empty heron]

How are they with ammo though?

[gilded kernel]

they make it so hard to get

[dusk idol]

and 30% damage

[sleek cairn]

depending on ur gun, its not like u had ammo issues on vet either

[dusk idol]

and it lasts for 10 seconds after they've gotten to 100% peril

[empty heron]

Or the 1 sniper hiding somewhere preventing you from completing

[dusk idol]

AND their peril slows down as they kill people

[gusty bison]

Horrible.

Hope u have a survivalist vet or ur getting the lion share of the pickups

[dusk idol]

AND their peril can be quelled by killing people

[empty heron]

I see

[sick marsh]

what's the difference between devil's claw variants?

[plucky cosmos]

15% base dmg on elites or reload speed

[dusk idol]

attack patterns

[gilded kernel]

4 and 7 are the only worth

[gusty bison]

Basically as long as the gun psyker is fed their output is strong.

[gilded kernel]

4 is my fave imo

swing swing swingt swing swing

[sick marsh]

I got a IV with wrath 4 on it. what other blessing should I stick on it?

[sleek cairn]

and they should be fed. rightfully. Cuz the ammo has higher value on them than us lol

[gilded kernel]

i run devastating stike 4 as well

[sleek cairn]

vets dont deserve the ammo, just like nade boxes.

[dusk idol]

gun psyker can protect their team whilst replenishing toughness, still great at special sniping, still great at horde clearing, they can do most of what vet does pretty handily

[gilded kernel]

max cleave baybay

[dusk idol]

and yeah, feed them and they'll shit out damage

[sick marsh]

ah ok.

[gilded kernel]

what are you, a psyker main?

[dusk idol]

once upon a time

i've played every class

[gilded kernel]

same

zealot's my fave tho ngl

[sleek cairn]

if u run a party with kickback ogryn and gunpsyker, it's your job to give them all the ammo, like the true slave u are.

[dusk idol]

back when og gun psyker was just pinning fire and a shredder

[gilded kernel]

that shit was insane

if the psyker could move as fast a knife zealot i think id only play psker

[dusk idol]

100% extra soulblaze damage baybe

[gilded kernel]

knife zealot is legit my most fave build in this game

[sick marsh]

these are the stats, tho it's almost perfect.

[dusk idol]

honestly knife vet in patch 13 was what got me back into him

then knife zealot

[gilded kernel]

lil bit of dodgin and blockin and boom ur blessed

[untold mulch]

Soo marksman vet is worse than Gunpsyker

Good to know

[gilded kernel]

by the emperor

thats an insane roll

[dusk idol]

it's beautiful, change out wrath for rampage and carapace for maniac

[sick marsh]

Melk gave it to me on a random at green yesterday.

[dusk idol]

or flak

i prefer maniac

flak helps with bruisers

maniac helps at running down flamers

[sleek cairn]

wut about unarmored

[gilded kernel]

bruh

[sick marsh]

haven't bothered with blessings yet. this is what it gave me.

[gilded kernel]

unarmored weak as shit you don't need a perk for that

[empty heron]

Wtf. This is as close to perfection as you'll ever see

[sick marsh]

yeah.

[gilded kernel]

that's what im sayin

[dusk idol]

unarmoured helps at hordes and gunners and your dclaw is already great into one and fine into the other without it

and only one type of gunner

[sick marsh]

what should I bless it with then?

[gilded kernel]

how does brunt's req work? are the items based on max lvl from ur inv?

[woeful junco]

trust level

[dusk idol]

wrath for rampage and carapce to maniac/flak

[woeful junco]

so if you reach lvl 30 you've maxed out your rng

[frank ledge]

Brunt doesn't trust you because he is a very refined Ogryn

[gilded kernel]

so what you see at lvl 30 is basically it

[dusk idol]

infested will help you samurai chop dogs out of the air

[gilded kernel]

ahhh

[woeful junco]

items can be between 300 and 380 rating

[dusk idol]

pretty satisfying

[frank ledge]

I have a contact that claims Brunt has a moustache just like Melk

[gilded kernel]

380 is insanely rare tho almost a joke atp

[sick marsh]

ok so skullcrusher is good? is tier 3 the max rank for that?

[forest maple]

The joke is being able to get 300-350 rating items as trust 30

[dusk idol]

skullcrusher goes up to 4

it's good

[sick marsh]

3 is better than nothing...

[dusk idol]

most people go savage sweep/rampage but rampage/skullcrusher is just more damage

since rampage gives you some extra cleave

[gilded kernel]

behold, the inventory of a plasteel gambler

[dusk idol]

it says damage, but it's actually power

which is cleave and damage and yada yada

[sick marsh]

I'll just sort the perks out since I can sort that rn.

[gilded kernel]

and that's only a fraction

[whole moon]

Theres my arsenal

[delicate moat]

next we're gonna be able to trade weapons

[dusk idol]

my inventory is full of rejected profane weapons that i will never clean out

[gilded kernel]

woah howd you do that

[gilded kernel]

so real

[whole moon]

I got lucky when I came back to the game, there was a plasteel bug that let me get decent weapons for each class, that led to this eventually

[gilded kernel]

now that's a smart gambler

[sick marsh]

would devil claw and agripinna combat shotty work together?

[gusty bison]

Yes

[dusk idol]

yes

[sick marsh]

still gotta roll a nice shotty for now. no more melk tokens so it's gonna haave to be a armoury one.

🙄

[dusk idol]

goodluck

[delicate moat]

dude a trapper shot me through a fking wall

🖕

[dusk idol]

happened to me as well

[sick marsh]

I did get dumdum 3 from melk tho on a gold scout lasgun... won't complain

[dusk idol]

i was hiding behind a pillar and the bitch still got me around it

[delicate moat]

on the new map

[tardy vigil]

worse is when they shoot you through a staircase

[delicate moat]

the pillar is useless

[manic badger]

Guys wild idea here but hear me out.

[sick marsh]

curious how do you use the devil's claw properly? like what's it best for?

[delicate moat]

horde clear and parrying ragers

[crude wind]

guys

guys

guys

[sick marsh]

aha.

[crude wind]

I think I did it

[manic badger]

lets nerf one of vets only toughness regen talents while simultaneously not fixing the 30% damage increase bug on the other toughness regen talent. and then also nerf the toughness on their shout and then release it all at the same time

I KNOW WILD IDEA

BUT LETS JUST TRY IT

[crude wind]

BEHOLD ITS FUCKING GLORY

[whole moon]

magic 73 baby

[gusty bison]

Oo

[gusty bison]

Fucking

[crude wind]

just a casual 12 million dockets

[gusty bison]

Amazin

God roll

:D

[crude wind]

thank god for that mod

mate after a year

finally

[whole moon]

next patch nerfs plasma.
sorry, couldnt resist, really hope it doesnt

[gusty bison]

Fwomp

[crude wind]

lol it almost definitely will

Or more to the point

they will fix the charge bug

and 73% charge will not matter anymore lol

at which point you just want 80/80/80 with ammo being one of those numbers

[forest maple]

Yeah i said it before but, the new plasma buffs plus the the focus target keystone make it incredibly strong and able to one shot stuff that i 2-shot before

[crude wind]

that

is definitely the build

Exec/Ping

probably the most meta build to ever have existed

Regen Frags? Check
Exec Stance? Check
All the DR? Check
All the ranged damage buffs? Check
All the toughness regen? Check

it's just absolute pure good stuff

[forest maple]

I run shout instead of exec stance because i like the reliability of it more

but other than that yea

[frank ledge]

All keystones make vet take additional 50% damage

[forest maple]

"We made the veteran tree less bloated by adding 5 more sub-keynodes to each keystone"

[dusk idol]

we have removed veteran from the game

[frank ledge]

To unbloat the tree you mudt invest 26 nodes

[untold mulch]

Everyone who mained Veteran will be permabanned after this patch

[whole moon]

we have reduced all classes to the same skillless build armed with a stick and a watergun

[proud dock]

Veteran players will now need to register for lazgun licenses with fat shark in order to play the class (it's a premium dlc)

[frank ledge]

We have given everyone assail

[untold mulch]

NOOOO

[frank ledge]

To cater to the controller bound audience

[whole moon]

literally cringed when I read that, well done 😉

[sharp ember]

where's my servo-cogitator smart gun for vet's assail equivalent

https://tenor.com/view/alien-vasquez-guns-big-boom-gif-13242898

gonna make the left tree artwork real

[forest maple]

How would you guys feel if they gave exec stance either a small damage reduction while active or a pushback like shout?

[untold mulch]

Heavy Stubber/Hellgun with autotargeter?

The shoulder thingie

[whole moon]

just out of interest, why?

[dusk idol]

i'd be happy if they gave exec stance 15% dr while active

[forest maple]

I dunno, it feels rather weak to me comparetively

[sharp ember]

diet unwavering focus

[whole moon]

oh when you said a damage reduction I misunderstood

[sharp ember]

with how nearly unusuable exe stance is while swamped in melee, it could use just a little something

[dusk idol]

15% dr with iron will and our toughness dr nodes would be nice, it'd incentivise headshots (if exhil takedown ever worked properly) and killing specials (RIP confirmed kill)

[forest maple]

I always feel like i gimp my squad if i run exec stance on auric t5 instead of shout

[sharp ember]

yeah i'm seriously just waiting for exhil takedown to be fixed

it's 20% recovery per headshot kill?

[dusk idol]

15%

i think

yeah 15

[umbral scaffold]

Exe stance needs your teammates to understand that you need trash kept off of you while you take out gunners, shooters and other elites.

[dusk idol]

with 10% toughness dr stacks up to 3 times

[sharp ember]

ah good enough, those rack up when you're plinking shooters

[forest maple]

I had another idea for exec stance but it might be too much. I always thought that the way they tried to make vet stand still either for camo or for the focus stacks, they could very well make executioners stance 10 seconds duration total, not refreshble and simply make you lose all agro or make you invisible for the duration while being able to shoot

i dont know

[dusk idol]

nah i like being rewarded for killing

old vet could just tank trash that was hitting him

ol' 75% dr while active was so sweet

so strong

[forest maple]

And that was insanely good

because you could actually shoot

[umbral scaffold]

No, anything that puts aggro from you onto others is bad because we'll get handmaiden 2.0 atoman boogaloo

[forest maple]

i find myself now using exec stance to kill priority targets and simply get staggered instantly

[sharp ember]

sometimes when I’m swamped in melee, I unironically pop exe stance just to get vision on incoming specials for information

[forest maple]

Can't really explain it but i dont like the current iteration of exec stance

[dusk idol]

the damage is there, but it is missing a little something

[topaz lance]

SOunds like huntsman kruber, which is very eh

I don't like it

[forest maple]

Instead of having 2 nodes for more highlighted targets, make 1 node have all the extra highlighted targets and the other make it give like 45-50% dr

[topaz lance]

I think the refresh shouldn't be an extra node

[forest maple]

Yeah something is missing

something small to make it viable to me

[sharp ember]

remember the Sustained Fire node? imagine they put that back in as a subnode, they'd probably make it lock out stance refreshing

[whole moon]

Has anyone checked the wording of Exe stance vs melee weapons, I occasionally pop Exe when swamped and swap to melee altho its more of a hail mary than actual strategy. I 'feel' like I see a benefit to it

[violet veldt]

wrong channel BRUTE

[umbral scaffold]

What's missing is teammates sticking together and handling trash giving you space to take out priority enemies.
If everyone is running off to do whatever exe stance feels useless but in a cohesive team that knows what their role is it pops off hard.

[pearl pawn]

oop

yup, wrong channel

[spare geyser]

Any blessing tips for the Mk II recon lasgun? I feel like it takes too long to kill anything with it.

[sharp ember]

it should drop immediately on switch to melee, or even when flung by knockback because that also puts your gun away

[sleek cairn]

yeah if u wanna ask about guns, go to psyker, we're terrible at it

[forest maple]

True but you have to balance the game around 4 random people playing it

[whole moon]

Nah, definitely still see the gold aura around screen edge

[untold mulch]

I try to be careful with infiltrate to not fuck my allies over

Using the ability with my friend was next to me was not a good idea

[forest maple]

Meaning i cant be asking my randoms to babysit me because i want to shoot stuff

[sleek cairn]

u ever just pop stealth and stand completely still

and watch ur teammate die

[sharp ember]

you sure it isn't a keystone effect, i could swear mine dropped but i’ll keep an eye next time

[untold mulch]

Nah, but I run the -90 threat for 10 seconds, so even if I try to help, the aggro doesn't changes

[whole moon]

nope, not sure about anything lol. gonna hit up psyk now tho

[sleek cairn]

devious as fk

so u pop stealth, let him die, and rez him

[untold mulch]

Hey, it was an accident

[sleek cairn]

and then he dies again

[untold mulch]

I try to pop it to a gun line

Appear behind and clean it

[sharp ember]

marksman focus and mega ping give you screen border effects at max stacks

[sleek cairn]

U're literally pvp'ing him.

if he runs 0 wounds, u eliminated him from ur scoreboard competition

truly.. a build

[umbral scaffold]

The current meta for everyone is basically to solo the game by themselves, exactly for that reason. 3 random chucklefucks that may be eating glue or may be Sly Marbo in disguise.
Exec stance is a supportive sniper role that takes out high value threats and shooters but needs supporting to continue doing that by teammates clearing trash off of you.

[frank ledge]

Mark veteran disagrees

[umbral scaffold]

In a 4 stack it's godly, with randoms? Not so much

[untold mulch]

he runs +1 wound

But I am getting good at only using it when enemy aggro won't be heavily affected

[frank ledge]

Randoms love to kill yellow pings because it reminds them of ammo pings

[umbral scaffold]

Exe Stance with Mark

[forest maple]

I understand the sentiment but, what does exec stance do better than shout for example for your team? You can rez people with it. You buff their toughness PLUS you stagger mobs so you can SHOOT priority targets

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[forest maple]

It does more damage?

[sleek cairn]

i actually think mark veteran is pretty much a solo build which coincidentally affects teammates

[forest maple]

fr what

[sharp ember]

me getting an active Thanks! from an ogryn who pinged distant specials and watched me delete them with exe stance gave me big dopamine

[frank ledge]

If you look at gameplay perspective, outside of yell yes you are mostly solo, even smite psyker is

[whole moon]

lose aura on weapon swap now. I would argue fairly strongly this never used to be the case but without video I dont trust my own memory enough

[sleek cairn]

still, it's hilarious u can cost him 2 downs by pressing F

[untold mulch]

Seeing someone pop a Thanks! after helping them out is dopamine

[untold mulch]

I have too much power

Only now I realize it

[forest maple]

I strongly believe that exec stance is simply the worse pick of the three and severely underperforms in higher difficulties. For that reason alone, it needs to be buffed somehow.

[sleek cairn]

I actually might run a build like that man

[forest maple]

Just my personal opinion

[sleek cairn]

press F to delete teammate from game

too good

[sharp ember]

i can assure you that pre-patch 13 that you lost volleyfire on weapon switch, it was the worst feeling popping it and getting sent by a barrel

[umbral scaffold]

Exe stance is stupid strong just needs skill to make use of it and teamwork

[whole moon]

I trust you more than my memory

[umbral scaffold]

My smoothest runs have always been exe stance with headhunter on Hi-Int Shock Trooper

[untold mulch]

it is

I say not skill perse

but its way too dependant in your team giving you space

[sleek cairn]

I trust you more than Kal's memory

[forest maple]

I really cannot believe that statement but if you say so, i can't argue with it. Maybe i'm just terrible with it but, my shout build runs are WAY more consistent.

[hearty panther]

Or my favourite, a Mutant jumping/landing and microstunning you out of it 🙃

[sharp ember]

man i miss Sustained Fire, and i'm not even a bolter bro, i used it with brauto

[untold mulch]

Exec stance is good if your allies can cover your ass

if not, run the other two

[hybrid token]

i always run exe

[untold mulch]

My best Exec Stance uses was when I called it

my friend popped VoC and actively used melee to give me a clear area

[forest maple]

Damn you guys are chads

[hearty panther]

I still run Exe but I also firmly believe it's the weakest active now.

[hybrid token]

id still run it if gave no damage and just the outline

[untold mulch]

The outline is very good for my brain
but I am loving infiltrate

[hybrid token]

knowing where all specials are before they enter sight just breaks the game entirely

[untold mulch]

How it looks: Runs and shoots

How it feels: https://media.tenor.com/kU64qbPP5CYAAAAM/cyberpunk2077-edgerunners.gif

with the -90 threat

[whole moon]

I need to play more w infiltrate, need that no melee damage penance too, tried the VoC ability and managed to get to boss fight at end before missing penance grr 🙂

[hybrid token]

i got the penance for taking no damage at all in a hi5 shock one day just randomly