veteran-class

[umbral scaffold]

get more stopping power

is this bricked

[mystic belfry]

This is my tag build

[terse idol]

I would honestly skip scavenger, get krak, get the grenade upgrades

Okay I said skip scav

*actually dontJ

[umbral scaffold]

^ furry

[terse idol]

Because its still the best

[mortal horizon]

i dont love krak grenades. dont feel like they have a good role when using plasma + ps

[terse idol]

Sasquatch

[fathom edge]

takes like 3 stacks, not bad, thanks

[terse idol]

📸

[umbral scaffold]

ur pfp is cute

[urban steppe]

nah . keep that grenade grab a plasma gun or bolter no need krak

[terse idol]

[whole moon]

With that loadout they dont

[umbral scaffold]

replied to the wrong guy

[true echo]

New reward. Not a big Revolver guy what do

[umbral scaffold]

gloryhunter with surgical

[mortal horizon]

oh wow tagging build with max stacks is a 1 shot on crushers just about on plasma with charged headshot lol

tagging build might be the goat damn

[mystic belfry]

Flak and maniac

[mortal horizon]

it also guarantees the 2 shot ps breakpoint push atk

[tawdry swan]

think carapace is ever worth going on revolver?
i 1shoit everything kinda makes me wonder if should even bother going flak

[mystic belfry]

Test it

[tawdry swan]

tbh i have crit chance and reload speed on my revolver and i 2shot crushers and 1shot like everything else so idek

things busted

[dusty ferry]

Would using precision strikes and focus target cause a crusher to be one shot with a surgical and handcannon stubber?

[urban steppe]

test it you will see , get full stack use bolter / plasma you will see magic

[tawdry swan]

meh i dont think the focus target modifiers are worth taking other than target down

3 more stacks for what.. what are u accomplishing

[dusk jacinth]

hello vet chat

i require a support focus build

[tawdry swan]

especially using hard hitting weapons like plasma idk how that would make a diff

[worthy pelican]

3 more stacks that feeds inti everything else with the keystone

[tawdry swan]

ok but think about what its actually doing

like what breakpoints on what enemy or like what are u effectively doing in game bertter thanks to that?

monster damage i guess? eh

[mortal horizon]

how important is +3 stamina if rocking ps6 right now"?

[dusk jacinth]

i think focus should regen every 8th of a second

[terse idol]

Maybe I go abit overkill, I do plasma and krak...
Might be compensating because my plasmagun rolled poor ammo, but I got a new one so maybe it'll be enough

I'll look at my tree again,
Scav is just problematically the best aura we got rn,
But that also means if you're running pubs SOME OTHER VET will probably have it

[cyan anchor]

Hey guys should I buy this I use the knife too much need sum different

[worthy pelican]

it helps against all elites and lets you use bodyshots vs sniper, the aura and toughness regen have been clutch at times

[midnight mortar]

I personally don't find it all that useful.

[terse idol]

I wouldn't, it needs the right blessings

[worthy pelican]

i really like tag with exec stance, turns you into a support sniper

[terse idol]

Like power cycler

Just roll your own PS6's

[atomic zephyr]

made it today

[midnight mortar]

I'm rarely spending a lot of stamina on a psword as it stands.

[urban steppe]

dunno but when waves come and your teammates got down with a crak you cant clean way fast , because its not effective against them that a reason why i prefer normal one + taking bonus +1 grenade

[terse idol]

At least that's my opinion

[atomic zephyr]

literally just hit f, crouch and delete everything in front of you

[tawdry swan]

try to find power sword with power cycler and brutal momentum

if cant find brutal, slaughterer and rampage aint bad either

[cyan anchor]

gosh this game has so many of those i have like 200 hours but that means nothing cause I still have no idea wtf im doing XD

[terse idol]

That's faiir

[cyan anchor]

Got you!

[terse idol]

Cause I'm learning too 🥹

[urban steppe]

other vet probably will get down faster than you think think about it

[atomic zephyr]

wait missing a few points

[tawdry swan]

just try to ask in here often and youll get used to it
particularly when spending precious mrmilk coins

[terse idol]

Truuu

[cyan anchor]

I will thank you!

[atomic zephyr]

once you get a general idea of what's good and what's not its not too bad

or maybe im having a dunning kruger effect moment

idk

[urban steppe]

little bit later will show my build

[tawdry swan]

it can be extra confusing when you realize there's 4 levels to each blessing and some it matters less and some it matters more 💀
or that theres a few blessings that for some reason are only at lv3 and dont have a lv4 or smth like that

[cyan anchor]

what about this one!

it has the things!

[atomic zephyr]

the new inspect feature has shown me how underequipped many level 30s are

must be newly minted 30s

[terse idol]

Eh, I mean
Honestly you could ask vet chat what the best blessings on your weapon are
Then post your weapon stats and ask "is this good?" And eventually you'll have absorbed what you need to know

[tawdry swan]

power cycler reallly benefits from getting level 4 but tbh id prob take that if i had no other power sword

[atomic zephyr]

this is literally what i do lol

[terse idol]

[cyan anchor]

oki

[robust drum]

what happens if 2+ vets have it, it's just wasted because they don't stack?

[worthy pelican]

ye

[cyan anchor]

thoughts???

[terse idol]

*nod
I dont think any auras stack

[mystic belfry]

helbore icky

[terse idol]

But

Man we got pretty lackluster auras

Compared to every other class

[mystic belfry]

Ammo aura is pretty strong

[terse idol]

Well yeah

The 1

[cyan anchor]

is it bad?

[mystic belfry]

I'd like if they turned 5% damage into 5% power

No, helbore can be okay, I just don't like it

[terse idol]

I mean surgical is good

[junior needle]

Helbores are very good, but many have gripes about the playstyle and swap speed.

[terse idol]

Like, you want to dump stability

[cyan anchor]

i see you all as like a group a elder vets guiding me at this point

[mystic belfry]

You want to get Onslaught on it

Makes back-to-back shots much faster

[junior needle]

Some people opt to not use onslaught just for more surgical stacking and go no respite instead

[terse idol]

I just wished it gave me feedback if I press the fire button too early after a shot

[mystic belfry]

I've been told mk3 helbore is the best, but take that with a grain of salt, minimal testing on my end

[delicate estuary]

let me turn on my gun first

[terse idol]

Too many times I click juuuust fast enough that nothing happens

So I just stand there like

[cyan anchor]

what would I replace for that

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-confused-travolta-where-lost-gif-5308454

[mystic belfry]

Falter

Surgical is good

[finite imp]

What's diff between power and damage

[mystic belfry]

Then probably swap reload for flak damage

[mystic belfry]

Power is damage, cleave, and stagger

[junior needle]

Autofire mod works with helbore charging now, if you want to use that for perfect timing every time. Only downside is you can't hold it

[mystic belfry]

Damage is just damage

[finite imp]

Oh gotcha

[pearl sapphire]

Would replace falter with onslaught, and maybe replace reload speed with extra armor damage, but that’s personal opinion, I wish that you didn’t have to “cock” the hellbore when you deploy it

[merry glade]

holding back murderous rage when someone grabs ammo at 80%+ while you strugglin in the reds

[rapid scarab]

Get the mod that shows actual level and not just the arbitrary level cap. You keep gaining xp past lvl 30

[atomic zephyr]

playing through nvidia’s game streaming service, can’t mod

[rapid scarab]

OOF

[mystic belfry]

You're what

[atomic zephyr]

yeah my laptop is dogshit and I don’t have my nice rig here at college

so I stream the game through GeForce now

it runs a lot better than you’d expect

[terse idol]

[atomic zephyr]

but yeah no mods

[gleaming turtle]

So, interesting thing, and I am wondering if someone here can explain it.

My buddy said that he has punchthrough on his Mk. 1 Helbore, and I contested this fact because I've never had it on any of my Helbores. Then he loaded up the Psyk, and streamed it to show me that he could hit up three guys with one regular charged shot. I then tried to replicate this on my own with my own Mk. 1 and it of course just killed the first guy and stopped. He isn't running any mods, and nothing in the talent tree should be aiding him. He also wasn't activating any abilities. Any thoughts on what was causing this?

[tall torrent]

Low stopping power (use for now, harvest Surgical IV when better roll drops)
Usable but onslaught prob serves better than falter

[tall torrent]

Which 3 guys did he shoot

[gleaming turtle]

Literally anything that would die to the first shot.

[tall torrent]

I think helbore can penetrate 1 horde target by default

[gleaming turtle]

He tried it out on multiple enemies.

He used it on Specials/Elites.

The regular shooters/clubber guys.

[tall torrent]

That’s pretty weird

[gleaming turtle]

And I tried the exact same enemies and got nowhere.

[tall torrent]

Did he have marksman talent (increased power on weakpoint hit for 10s after ability use)?

[gleaming turtle]

No.

He's running an Inflitrator build.

But like I said, no abilities were used.

[tall torrent]

That’s weird then

[gleaming turtle]

He just booted into the Psyk and started plinking through dudes.

I couldn't replicate it at all.

But he could every time.

In live, and in there.

[tall torrent]

Idk

[tawdry swan]

u should both try it out after hitting E to fully reset/clear build just to make sure
other than that all i could think of is certain blessings but im not familiar with helbore

[tall torrent]

Helbore doesn’t have blessings that increase power

[atomic zephyr]

I swear I’ve done collateral shots with helbore

[tall torrent]

Were those shots crits?

[atomic zephyr]

have an old clip somewhere of bodying snipers in a gauntlet

[gleaming turtle]

For him? No.

He wasn't even running Surgical.

[tall torrent]

Ok then idk

[torn gorge]

where they using melee then swapping?

[gleaming turtle]

No.

He was just plinking.

[elder dawn]

whats the easiest way to get that no damage achievement

no melee damage*

[gleaming turtle]

Charge up, shoot down a line of guys, they all dropped.

No abilities. No surgical. Nothing special.

It wasn't a good Mk. 1.

It was just pretty middle of the road.

He doesn't play a huge amount, he doesn't read guides or watch YouTube videos, he isn't in this server, and he doesn't use any mods.

He's the biggest normie in the world.

[tall torrent]

Ogryn with slab shield + taunt
Psyker with smite
Use VoC urself
You can’t get hit by melee with <100% total toughness (VoC allows u to get hit once more after u take 1 melee hit at 100% total toughness)
And try to not get hit, use block & dodges often

[gleaming turtle]

When I speak to him again tomorrow, I am going to completely replicate the gun (via LC) and his build and see if I can methodically change one thing at a time to discover what is causing this.

[twilit crane]

What are some good blessings for the Columnus Mk5 Autogun

[gleaming turtle]

Because if we can repeat it on the Mk. 2 or 3? Meaning, we can shoot through our teammates?

Then, oof, buddy, we are cooking with gas.

[tall torrent]

Dum Dum + Deathspitter/Fire Frenzy

[proper delta]

Who got the helbore build I’m inspired

[spare aspen]

Plasmagun is still plasmagun

[proper delta]

Whatchu running I’ve never used it

[spare aspen]

standard elite and carapace bonus. Near max stats.

[tawdry swan]

I dont even like helbore and im intrigued

[gleaming turtle]

While the gun's stats are obviously very important, the real thing that causes breakthroughs is the build for your talents. That's the true thing that makes a difference, especially now. I did a huge amount of testing yesterday for about 6 hours in the Psyk with an 80/80/73 Plasma (this is perfect damage stats) and ran through a bunch of controlled scenarios to find out shit.

[gusty bison]

Which helbore

[gusty bison]

Helbore can cleave through 3 groaners (the small guys)

[gleaming turtle]

@proper delta Look at the top pinned comment for what you need to know about Charge Rate and how it effects your uncharged attack damage.

[gusty bison]

But cant cleave elites

He might have no respite

[gleaming turtle]

We weren't shooting groaners.

Not specifically, I should say.

[tawdry swan]

he confirmed his friend did not have no respite and was replicating it on lines of elites and specials as well (i think)

[gleaming turtle]

As I mentioned, he was picking off multiple guys in the Elite/Special area, the regular clubber/shooter area, and the horde area.

[gusty bison]

It can plink through 1 dreg shooter ans hit the guy behind

[tall torrent]

No respite doesn’t increase power though?

[gusty bison]

Does he have healthbars mod

[gleaming turtle]

No

[gusty bison]

Oh right.

[gleaming turtle]

He does not mod.

[gusty bison]

The sniper can be banged through with a helbore

The others no

[gleaming turtle]

I keep trying to get him to use mods given how much he complains about certain QoL things that mods would fix, but he won't do it.

[tawdry swan]

what if you get on tomorrow and his gun has just magically stopped doing that

[gleaming turtle]

Doubt it

[gusty bison]

Helbore also iirc can bang through a bruiser

[tawdry swan]

it would just be funny

a glitch in the matrix

[gleaming turtle]

It would be.

[gusty bison]

Check if he is banging through a sniper in the elite area

Thats probably the cause

[tawdry swan]

tbf you didnt say exactly what mobs or how many he was shooting thru in 1 shot

was it actually 3 or more?

[mystic belfry]

The amount of ranged units that will spawn all at the same time now really feels wildly larger than it used to be tbh

[gusty bison]

In b4 the Mk 1 has higher cleave cos fatshark fucked up a number

Lel

[gusty bison]

Yes. Director has gone back to oops all guns

[tawdry swan]

well but he says he tried mk1 and couldnt replicate what his friend was doing no?

[gleaming turtle]

It was three dudes in one shot.

[mystic belfry]

I just almost lost the end of an assassination mission because there was just suddenly a firing squad of somewhere around 25 shotgunners in a circle around my group

[gleaming turtle]

Did a regular Damnation Carnival earlier and we killed 250 Ranged Elites between the entire team.

[gusty bison]

Welcome to the new director

[mystic belfry]

All of us went down to less than half HP before even noticing them

[tawdry swan]

is your friend known at all for having bad internet or a laggy game?

[mystic belfry]

They all fucking fired at once lmao

[gleaming turtle]

Nope

[languid escarp]

what are these gunner spawns. I checked if it's hi intensity but it isn't it's just casually spawning like 20 of them at once in heresy diff

[gusty bison]

Yep

Welcome to the new director

[mystic belfry]

I'm genuinly scared of high intensity now tbh

I don't even wanna know

[tawdry swan]

high intensity is so disgusting

[desert hawk]

makes me appreciate bubble psyker so much more now

that shit is a game changer now

(that and not getting giga surpressed)

[mystic belfry]

I'd say I agree

[tawdry swan]

bubble psyker was amazing and now its just extra giga amazing\

[mystic belfry]

But I've seen pskyer bubbles drop in 2-3 seconds

From just raw incoming rounds

[desert hawk]

I really wish they'd increase the noise on some mobs

[languid escarp]

do enemy gunners even have to reload?

[desert hawk]

having stealth ragers is the worst

yes

they do

but it's rare lmao

[tawdry swan]

i appreciate bubble + chain lightning psykers so much

doing gods work

[languid escarp]

I dont think I have seen them reload

[desert hawk]

They do reload and they sometimes reposition too

[tawdry swan]

and mute mutants

[mystic belfry]

I unironically might try running smokes on my support build lmao

[desert hawk]

nah

shout or bust

[languid escarp]

stripped down blessing is actually so good now because of this

[desert hawk]

smoke is literally worthless

[mystic belfry]

... I'm alreayd running shout

[desert hawk]

it blocks more LOS on your team

[mystic belfry]

I just said support build

[desert hawk]

then it does enemies

[languid escarp]

if only melee weapons have stripped down

so I can zerg rush the mfs

[tawdry swan]

that modifier that makes it so that there is a mutant scream going off literally every single second of the entire mission

makes me wanna die

[desert hawk]

all mutants and all barrels all day

[tawdry swan]

by the end of the mission i actually feel like im high or something

from what its done to my brain

[mystic belfry]

I would mess my pants if dagger could get stripped down

[languid escarp]

me too

[mystic belfry]

I would litterally run triple stam and stam regen

[desert hawk]

I'm more surprised they didn't add move speed to shout

as an option

or like more attack speed

or something

[viscid marlin]

if i could get 20% move speed for 10 seconds on shout i would take it every time all the time

not that i dont already take it

[desert hawk]

assuming the whole idea of trees was like "DO YOU WANT A OR B"

[terse idol]

Drop it ontop of your team

[desert hawk]

vs currently where it's like do you want A or just be useless

[terse idol]

That's unironically the best way to use smoke

Because if you're inside you can see out more clear

[desert hawk]

I tried it for a handful of aurics

it just didn't feel like it had as much impact

[viscid marlin]

same

[desert hawk]

compared to how useful shredder or krak

go

[terse idol]

But also, if the LOS is blocked for your team it's also blocked for shooters

Well

[desert hawk]

like one good krak can just wipe a full pack for you

not really

[terse idol]

That's the issue with a support focused grenade

It sit there

[desert hawk]

it feels like the AI zips right through

[terse idol]

And you can't measure the use

[terse idol]

I have the opposite experience

[mystic belfry]

Just give us flash bangs

[terse idol]

[desert hawk]

Unironically the best support you can give is just killing things faster.

[viscid marlin]

well when snipers and stuff can still shoot you though it, it measures at "pretty meh"

imo

[terse idol]

Just let smoke extinguish fire

[gusty bison]

No scoreboard numbers

[mystic belfry]

Also, while trying with a meh plasma

[gusty bison]

Ehhhh not really now

[viscid marlin]

man if smoke disabled fire, id pick that shit every match

[mystic belfry]

Actually digging it on the support build

[gusty bison]

Vet has really good support stuff

[terse idol]

Modded scoreboard doesn't even track the toughness you share in a support vet build

[mystic belfry]

... Who cares?

[viscid marlin]

when they aren't falling over because of bugs or bad design they do ok

[desert hawk]

I'm not doubting the support build, I literally run shout and middle tree in the majority of my games

[terse idol]

I do 🥹

[desert hawk]

but like if we're just comparing nades to nades

[tall torrent]

Snipers should not be able to shoot throw smoke

[terse idol]

Need numbies

[mystic belfry]

Cope :v

[desert hawk]

Smoke is least impactful

[terse idol]

I don't run the scoreboard build but

I mean mod

[mystic belfry]

Also, you can get a lot of stagger as support

[terse idol]

But!

[mystic belfry]

Shout/shovel

[tall torrent]

In literally every other fps game, smokes are used to counter snipers

[terse idol]

I'd like my impact measured at least a tiny bit

[gusty bison]

Neither frag or krak can kill 20 gunners tbf

[viscid marlin]

pretty much

[terse idol]

They still do here don't they?

[mystic belfry]

Not snipers

[gusty bison]

N o

[terse idol]

Wack

Soooo wack

[tall torrent]

Nope, sniper gets to shoot u throw smoke no problem

[mystic belfry]

Snipers don't even care about walls

[gusty bison]

Thry counter every OTHER ranged enemy

[terse idol]

FS what the hell

[midnight mortar]

Haha, no.

[gusty bison]

But snipers will beam u through a smoke

[static timber]

does anybody run the revive-on-shout ability or nah?

[tawdry swan]

watch them put a blessing on one of the ogryn grenade launcher things that blinds nearby enemies on explosion

Like blinding GLs from destiny 2
trivialize all enemies

[mystic belfry]

You can see snipers keep a bead on your allies through multiple solid walls

[midnight mortar]

Gunners and reapers will fire at your last known position too.

[terse idol]

Well smoke is still a good ghetto bubble shield

If you drop it on your team

[midnight mortar]

So the benefit of smoke is marginal.

[tall torrent]

If smokes countered snipers like THEY SHOULD, they’d get a lot better value in sniper gauntlet missions

[terse idol]

Not accurately to be fair

[desert hawk]

It's the same aim bot from VT where you just get spear'd across the continent

[gusty bison]

Smokes are very useful on the new map

[desert hawk]

imo if smoke gave like a toughness jump

[gusty bison]

Less so on others

[desert hawk]

it'd be more viable

put out fires

etc

Felt like was just less effective after 5-6 aurics with smoke

[tall torrent]

This is somewhat true but only because the new map spawns like 13 gunners on top of a massive horde in the first arena with little cover lol

[desert hawk]

compared to the other nades

[mystic belfry]

Pro tip

[gusty bison]

Yep

The new map is just shooters upon shooters upon shooters

[desert hawk]

do you mean the end area finale?

you can just sit by the large double door area you come in

and they never bother you

[midnight mortar]

I'm aware. but compared to a frag the use case is much more easily applied.

[gusty bison]

Having smoke lets u do the mid obj without playing the, "Did the AI director throw out 30 gunners today all watching the box" game

[terse idol]

Look I will

[tall torrent]

No, the first part where u need to hold off against waves while the interrogator does its thing

[terse idol]

Cope on the smoke

[proper delta]

Idk I’ve never used one

[terse idol]

Makes me feel... tacticool

😌

[desert hawk]

oh yeah that part is a bit iffier but I find the back corners are fine

[mystic belfry]

But yeah, tbh, I'm liking plasma purely for the piercing effect

[terse idol]

While I block off Los for both me and my team

[gusty bison]

Until bombers arrive

XD

[desert hawk]

(or just bring a psyker with bubble)

[mystic belfry]

Banging specials through a crowd eveb better than a revolver is dope

[tall torrent]

There’s just barely any cover against gunners in that arena

[terse idol]

Honestly smoke far and pushing into smoke feels cool, kinda makes it so any new gunners that come in can't shoot

[tall torrent]

And they spawn elites & specials crazy in that first arena

[marsh dune]

Columnus Infantry or Columnus braced autogun is the really strong one rn?

[desert hawk]

it'd be nice if smoke did what the zealot nade did

like just bulk stagger

[tall torrent]

I’ve had 12 shot gunners walk out of 1 door in that arena

[terse idol]

Yeah

[gusty bison]

The most reliable way ive found to survive that part is a plasma gun with middle keystone ngl.

But smoke is also a good option

[terse idol]

I mean we got "light" stagger

[desert hawk]

both are functional, Columnus is SUPER fun imo

[terse idol]

Lol

[desert hawk]

it's got that big spray energy

[marsh dune]

the braced autogun?

[desert hawk]

the infantry

[tall torrent]

The scariest part is turning a corner and seeing 12 shotgunners look at u

[gusty bison]

Oh yep

[desert hawk]

I like being able to look down sights

[mystic belfry]

Should I bother taking +duration for smoke nades?

[gusty bison]

Max toughness. Max hp. Shout buff active.

Half a second later.

Healthbar is now red

[terse idol]

When you're in a horde and you didn't notice 6 heavy gunners look at you

brrt

[desert hawk]

I hope they rework the audio for specials, some of them are so quiet it's wild compared to how good VT2's audio was

[mystic belfry]

The scariest thing is having a silent sniper pre-aim at you through a wall and instantly pop your ass when you come around the corner

[desert hawk]

like you KNEW when there an assassin rat etc

[gusty bison]

Imagine if they reverted the old shotgunner nerf with this.

[desert hawk]

or large chaos warrior packs

or the stomping packs

[mystic belfry]

Right???

VT2 sound is so good

[molten dew]

whats good blessings on the columnus?

[tall torrent]

And somehow some way maulers still have zero audio for backstabs

[desert hawk]

dumdum + w/e

some people like fire frenzy

some people like deathspitter

[mystic belfry]

I could almost play VT2 with my eyes closed, unironically

[tall torrent]

I think half my downs are from silent mauler takedowns lol

[gusty bison]

VT also just naturally gives u more warning

[molten dew]

gotcha. so dumdum is staple at the very least

[terse idol]

I mean ahhh

[desert hawk]

it's just hella free

[terse idol]

I think the audio is effective enough

[desert hawk]

in terms of damage gain

[mystic belfry]

Dum dum tends to be good on anything without a really slow fire rate

Often the best

[cyan anchor]

I see what you guys meant by the sniper lasguns need a different play style I am so used to swapping weapons to kill elites then crowd control

[terse idol]

Like heavy gunners are fairly quiet, and by design snipers are so silent

Aside from the jingle

Grenadiers are VERY loud and are reapers

[urban steppe]

6 ? what you mean 6 , 9*

[warped roost]

Yeah fatshark learned a lot from dt when building vt2

[urban steppe]

not enough 6

[desert hawk]

Like the crazy part is, ALL THE SPECIALS have audio.

it's just SUPER MUTED

[warped roost]

I hope they bring some of the improvements back

[desert hawk]

for whatever reason

[terse idol]

Well I mean thats by design imo

[desert hawk]

you can hear gunners jingle jangle their ammo

[terse idol]

Everything dangerous that needs to be loud is

Flamers

Grenadiers

[worthy pelican]

crushers are assassins

[desert hawk]

All specials should audio quirks

[terse idol]

Snipers are visuals

[urban steppe]

but small gunners dont have sound

[desert hawk]

which is fine

but like having 8 ragers pop up behind you

with no noise

[terse idol]

Heavy gunners have a casual queue with the glowing green to be fair

[desert hawk]

is bad.

[terse idol]

Hmm

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, when it's not noisy af you can hear them fine, most of the time

[urban steppe]

in total audio sounds need to be fixed

[terse idol]

Yeah that might be a probpem with director spawning

[desert hawk]

that and the spatial audio is kinda jank

you can hear maulers

across the map

[mystic belfry]

The main thing they need to do is tune the audio mixing levels of each enemy type

[desert hawk]

but also behind you

[gusty bison]

Also I noticed a problem with audio where DT has a tendency to have too much audio going on to a point where it drowns out some of the important information.

Anyone that has played more muties maelstrom understands the extreme case of this xD

[desert hawk]

but also sometimes not.

[terse idol]

WAAAAAAAAA

[gusty bison]

WAAAAAAAAAA

[warped roost]

RRRROAAAAAAAGGGGHHH

[frank ledge]

WAAAAAAA

[desert hawk]

like VT2 had the perfect audio leveling by chaos wastes

[warped roost]

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[terse idol]

[desert hawk]

you could tell where everything was

but not 100%

[mystic belfry]

Tbh, an elegant solution would be to have the game turn down the volume when specials are making a noise specifically

[desert hawk]

but enough to get you on your toes when an elite pack was coming

[urban steppe]

you can hear music , sometimes not . waves sound but there is no enemy or wave but no sound

[terse idol]

I'm still miffed they removed the globadier voicelines

[desert hawk]

and like the music is AMAZING

but like man

[terse idol]

Grumble grumble

[frank ledge]

Bomber (silently): It's blasting time
Bomber grenade (silently): boom

I play without music

[desert hawk]

That's rough

[frank ledge]

so I can hear the whispers on psyker better

[terse idol]

Okay to be fair grenadier is the loudest

[desert hawk]

cause the music is a banger

esp on the new map

holy moly

[terse idol]

When it matters

[mystic belfry]

ITS A GLOBADIER

[urban steppe]

amazing music without hearing it

[terse idol]

Mainly the "ting"

[desert hawk]

Yes inquisitor, this one here.

[forest blaze]

New carnival map is cracked in aurics

[frank ledge]

ye I turned it on to hear it, the back off, I love to hear all the demons whispering, occasionally you hear the emperors distinct voice telling you to hold on too

[warped roost]

Tzeentch isn't so bad

[mystic belfry]

Turning off darktide music is a cardinal sin

[gusty bison]

"You play without music so you can hear specials better.

I play without music so I can contemplate the warp.

We are not the same." - BigJ

[mystic belfry]

That would be like turning off killing floor 2 music

[terse idol]

I want to give FS the benefit of a doubt and be like "oh yeah its like a trained traitor guardsmen unit that went rogue, so they have some tactics in reducing their sound"

But on the other hand urgghh

[desert hawk]

it'll be fixed in 3-4 years.

aka the sienna treatment

[mystic belfry]

mostly

Sienna is fixed you say? :v

[desert hawk]

her audio was mega bugged

for like

a year straight

[mystic belfry]

Ye

On a side note

[desert hawk]

I ended up switching to outcast engy / shield boi because of it

[mystic belfry]

Scythe unchained is dope.

[drifting oak]

man, revolver is so ass and I have no idea how people tolerate it

[frank ledge]

When the WAAAAAA is so loud you can't hear the voices in your head telling you to go boom

[desert hawk]

you're using it wrong

[drifting oak]

the new map is so fucking impossible without consistent ranged damage

[terse idol]

Bruuhhh

[worthy pelican]

cant help but wonder if the audio thing is also a bug here

[drifting oak]

even with swap reloads with the keystone

[desert hawk]

Revolver is giga strong

[drifting oak]

5 rounds are not fucking enough

[desert hawk]

you just cant spray into hordes

[frank ledge]

1.2k damage crits go brrrr

[terse idol]

The revolver isn't a horde sprayer that's rhe thing

[drifting oak]

fucking gigachad patrols of 8 gunners + hordes of scab shooters

[mystic belfry]

I can do the new map with mostly melee If I bring a knife

[drifting oak]

look, I'm just saying we had a team with 3 revolvers on it and ranged literally just ripped us apart

like butter

[frank ledge]

21 gunners is the current record I've spotted in a single patrol unit

[true echo]

Just played with the revolver and it is very good. But it's still a worse plasma gun

[desert hawk]

3 revolver team

[frank ledge]

absolutely painful

[desert hawk]

thats your problem

[mystic belfry]

Form a firing squad in a line and use your revovler pen to wipe them out

[desert hawk]

revolver on it's own shines when you need to put crusher squads down

[terse idol]

I mean yeah

You ran 3 revolvers

[mystic belfry]

Shoulder-to-shoulder

(switch to a las pistol)

[terse idol]

When the aI director spawns 1000000 shooters both specialists and regular shooters

[drifting oak]

quickplay chads be like "I just take a revolver" and then all those games they get owned by shooters "th-that game didn't count, it was a bad team"

[terse idol]

On the new map

[drifting oak]

just take a fucking plas or las

[frank ledge]

reject revolver
return to hh

[terse idol]

Revolver is goood

Gosh darn

[desert hawk]

Imagine not having multiple load outs to conform to the teams needs

[frank ledge]

and helbore 3 with the infamous Puri scope

[drifting oak]

imagine quickplay dropping into games

[frank ledge]

"Dropping in hot"

[mystic belfry]

Revolver is amazing

[drifting oak]

it's such a one dimensional weapon

[desert hawk]

Sounds like you didn't carry hard enough

[true echo]

B-b-b-but loadouts are hard

[desert hawk]

Revolver is basically what a good sniper is right now

[mystic belfry]

I don't evne use the symbols lol

[frank ledge]

Also running 4 on vet lol

[placid portal]

Love having multiple loadouts

[desert hawk]

since helbore is so fucking awkward

[drifting oak]

helbore fucks

[molten dew]

anyone got a talent build they like with the columnus?

[mystic belfry]

Left side

[drifting oak]

post up somewhere and just shoot everything

turret gameplay

[placid portal]

Helbore fucks if you can hold it out and not get overwhelmed

[desert hawk]

I run it on support, so mostly middle tree

[placid portal]

in a hoarde shooter

[desert hawk]

does enough damage where you don't need much tree support

[frank ledge]

helbore with a 4x scope is what scab snipers do to pub players

[desert hawk]

to hit breakpoints

[molten dew]

thats what i was thinkin.

[frank ledge]

extra points for laser pointer

[desert hawk]

it's more a mid to close weapon

so the shout is very value

where if you're getting pushed on

you can shout to buffer your reload

or to stagger

ie you put down a few ragers

shout

reload

put down the rest

The only downside is you gotta be okay with tap firing to long range poke down snipers

(so if you've ever used the AK in cs you'll be fine)

[mystic belfry]

Aight, here's the plan

shovel/plasma

[hazy comet]

hadron pls

[mystic belfry]

Probably usable with deadshot tbh

[hazy comet]

what blessings good for this?

also exhil takedown is buggy

[mystic belfry]

Surgical, pinning fire

[midnight mortar]

Yes, it's still bugged.

[urban steppe]

pinning fire ocf

and second name i forget

[hazy comet]

shattering impact?

[urban steppe]

perk uncy / flac

[urban steppe]

cant remember name but discretion is regen toughness on elite kill if im not wrong

[true echo]

What are you even supposed to do during the bugged double ragged spawns? Theres like 20 of them

[urban steppe]

take plasma bolter and kill them all

[sleek cairn]

i jsut charge in even deeper

since im melee vet

u get a sense of high

[remote osprey]

Excuse me?

[urban steppe]

naaniii

what you said

[remote osprey]

Helbore is perfect versatile weapon of a guardsman. Perfect lasgun of them all, doesn't demand weird meme builds like recon do.

[true echo]

he might not be using the customization mod probably

helbore gets twice as good with a sight

[candid tundra]

best blessings for agri shotgun? Full bore and what else?

[frank ledge]

no respite

some people run fire frenzy too

[candid tundra]

fire frenzy yeah I was gonna ask if that works

[bronze palm]

Why is the shovel having an identity crisis. Dodge limit 4, 5, and 6?

[candid tundra]

scattershot is a no-go, though right?

[frank ledge]

ye nope

[delicate moat]

i need to invest in a better shovel

[hot rampart]

119 special kills on hab dreyko, PLEASE KILL SPECIALS

god damn

[delicate moat]

no they will specially not be killed

[low oar]

Excuse me but do not bully the special people

[remote osprey]

Prior to that I was using a mod for keeping crosshair when aiming through m2 - so I had white dot and charge indicators. That helped a lot as well.

But yeah, RN I use reflex from las pistol. And it is perfect. I have no idea why would I want to use mk12 las now.

[true echo]

full auto mod makes kantrael ez brain of head clicker

[low oar]

Imagine not just using a sticky note at the middle of your screen

[remote osprey]

Worst part is when they ignore auspex scanning and just run circles.

[low oar]

Do it with the mg IV for the full experience

[remote osprey]

Full auto works for helbores too.

[hot rampart]

oops I opened wrong chat, but yeah, is pain, end event rather hard now

[frank ledge]

I love seen console players that didn't change default sensitivity slowly turn whenever they hear a poxbuster

Conclusion, use them as discount agro takers

won't carry boxes, won't do obj, won't mark, won't shoot specials or shooters, will somehow take the most ammo, lowest damage

[junior grail]

Question, bomber's and zealot's immolation grenade's fire fx seems to be delayed on my end. Is it due to mods or something?

[junior needle]

I found that rapidfiring the infantry las tended to be counterproductive for constant headshots due to how much the sights bounce.

[frank ledge]

Just mod in new HH sights

[junior needle]

I tried using iron sights with them and found it to be worse

I've no idea what option gave me this as I can't find it anymore in either regular or EE weapon customization, but I want the no iron sight, floating reticle you see in this one

I used it in patch 13 and it disappeared when I updated the mod

[delicate moat]

i love when u are surrounded by poxwalkers out of thin air yet none of them makes a single sound

[frank ledge]

When they are about to strike the woosh appears atleast

[junior needle]

It often doesn't for me

[delicate moat]

not even that sometimes I have discovered

when they do the thin air spawning, u get attacked first before u get a warning

[frank ledge]

It's the only consistent sound for me, I even hear it from poxwalkers in my field og view

What often doesn't work for me ix poxbuster and bomber sounds

[delicate moat]

oh i think it might have been mutant wave sound draining every other sound lul

when the mutant wave is on going

[frank ledge]

waaaaaah

[delicate moat]

only thing i can hear is WAAAAAHHH

not even the wahh is bug free

[restive prairie]

Whats guns are fun

[frank ledge]

shotguns

[restive prairie]

i mean besides the obvious

[pale lotus]

Laspistol

[bronze atlas]

Hellbore 3

Be verdunpilled and bayonet everything

[wanton dawn]

Anything but mg12

[frank ledge]

Add 4x scope and laser to helbore

[mystic belfry]

Plasma, columnus, revolver, las pistol, slug and fire shotguns, bolter

[broken spade]

wtf

[restive prairie]

laspistol over revolver?

[bronze atlas]

The hellbore needs to draw so much faster considering you need to charge it too, the thing is clumsier than bolter

[frank ledge]

helbore scope gang

and yes drum mag on a las weapon is cursed

[bronze atlas]

Mega battery

Only weighs 48 pounds in standard gravity

[placid portal]

Guess that's what if feels like with shock trooper

[candid tundra]

should I get rid of one of these nodes for field improvisation? I am doing an agri shotgun swapping build

[placid portal]

[mystic belfry]

Ditch fleeting fire easily

Do not ditch on your toes

Please note that fleeting fire is on the same 5 second timer that the range attack speed boost is active

[wanton dawn]

Never felt vet needed stam support besides dnd

[mystic belfry]

If you want reload speed, take the ones at the top of the tree

[wanton dawn]

And only if using deadshot

[frank ledge]

riposte lsword build

Just 1 tho, not 3

[wanton dawn]

Am not talking curios, i am talking talent. Regen talent specifically

Flat stam is great

[bitter turtle]

i think im just skill issue'd by deadshot columnus

i cant do it

lol

i hate it

maybe if i find antoehr stam 3 curio

[wanton dawn]

I cant stand the idea of high firerate weakspot weapon with deadshot

[candid tundra]

cheers

[bitter turtle]

it does insane dmg

2.4k dps on a crusher

but

like

idk

LOL

literally can never sprint unless someone is shooting at me to duck and dive ironically

[ivory rock]

I HATE YOU MOBILITY IM GONNA BREAK INTO YO HOUSE AND BEAT THE MOBILITY OUTTA YA SPINE

[mystic belfry]

:)

[wanton dawn]

What is the point though ? Single target dps only really matters on monstro 🤷

[mystic belfry]

This is a good roll tbh, shredder is not that important

[tender rose]

finally cracked something that I think works for me with this shit show of an upate.

[bitter turtle]

cant get that unless i drop onslaught and desperado

and im knifememes so no droping desperado

[mystic belfry]

Hmm

[bitter turtle]

its fine anyway

[placid portal]

swear to god they might nerf stacks going down to 1 into 0 stacks

[frank ledge]

"Atleast it's better than experience"

[placid portal]

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, you just gotta get stam by dodging with duck and dive

[bitter turtle]

1.9k dps on crusher without deadshot

still good

[frank ledge]

Focus now applies a stacking +10% damage taken debuff per stack

[mystic belfry]

I mean, 2 seconds between tags ain't a big deal

[bitter turtle]

can pick up more nade perks anyway

[frank ledge]

Enjoy 150% damage taken, lol

[placid portal]

[placid portal]

Fair enough

[mystic belfry]

On a side note, if you're running knife, you don't need stam quite so much

[bitter turtle]

i dont think they're goign to nerf any keystones when hafl the ppl arent even taking them

[mystic belfry]

heavy attacks to run faster, massive dodges to escape

[bitter turtle]

ya

that's not the problem

[placid portal]

Ayo what? they bumped up the damage taken modifier?

[bitter turtle]

im fine in combat

i actually just hate

inbetween encounters

[wanton dawn]

Last time i checked i did smth like... 1k2 with agri brauto on crusher back ?

[bitter turtle]

i feellike im not allowed to sprint lmao

or else i start encounte rwith 0 stamina

and no crits

[mystic belfry]

I mean, not sprinting much ain't that big of a deal

[bitter turtle]

YES IT IS HOW AM I GOIGN TO STEAL ALL THE KILLS AND TOP FRAGS

jk

[placid portal]

Only problematic when whole team starts sprinting

[bitter turtle]

maybe its just a bad habit

[low oar]

Sprint until you expect action?

[mystic belfry]

yes

Even as pure melee I don't sprint until empty

[low oar]

Like you are allowed to stop sprinting to catch your breath

[bitter turtle]

never

sprinting while charged heavies on knife only

i can only go forwared

[placid portal]

I love ogryn working with placing explosives in the Carnival mission

[bitter turtle]

revers eand slowing down is for cowards

[mystic belfry]

Gotta say, I'm loving wall-banging enemies with plasma

fuck your fences, fuck your walls

[placid portal]

Brutal

[low oar]

You don't even go through much stamina on knife sprinting since you can just spam heavy

And the charge animation doesn't cost stamina for some reason

[placid portal]

Knife also has 3 bars of stamina at base

[bitter turtle]

ye

that's why I like knife

[mystic belfry]

I run one +3 stam and one +stam regen

[low oar]

Yeah and you do the heavy spam tech and go down at half the rate

[wanton dawn]

Btw, does the knife sprinting heavy keeps the damage while sprinting stacks from right tree ?

I want to like this node but uptime seems shit

[mystic belfry]

Skirmisher?

[placid portal]

Tbh skirmisher builds up stacks a tad slow

[bitter turtle]

no iirc

[mystic belfry]

it just lasts for five seconds per stack

[bitter turtle]

but let me test it again

last time i tried

it was prepatch

[wanton dawn]

I am NOT learning all the vet node name

[mystic belfry]

I'd rather take skirmisher than exploit weakness ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[placid portal]

If skirmisher stacks faster maybe it'll be ok

[bitter turtle]

oh cool

it does

ye

[low oar]

I haven't learned the name of a single node in any tree

[mystic belfry]

You can pretty easily have +5-10% damage from it most of the time

[low oar]

I still use the old ability names

[mystic belfry]

Im gunna be honest

I don't know node names I just have the screen open with em

[placid portal]

[low oar]

"the one node that makes you do more damage"

[placid portal]

I just spread misinformation of skills

🤡

[placid portal]

Ok which one

[wanton dawn]

Born leader ( ), dnd, deadshot, tinkerer, voc, infiltrate, exe stance, competitive urge, ck, exil takedown ( )

[mystic belfry]

I take the node that gives me +300% power and +200% rending against Notevenloading

[wanton dawn]

A few more but ye

[placid portal]

Sounds very situational

[mystic belfry]

Weirdly specific buff but it's a big boost

[wanton dawn]

I learned if good or really fking bad

[placid portal]

Might need to take that 5% dmg against everyone

[mystic belfry]

One-shot even with friendly fire resistance

Weird glitch with it that makes it do nade and melee ff too

[placid portal]

God melee friendly fire

Imagine if Darktide has melee FF vs Vermintide's ranged FF

[mystic belfry]

Get stabbed once, 13 stacks of bleed

[wanton dawn]

Last week i saw haymaker proc on scab captain for the first time ever

[placid portal]

Wat

The Assassination target?

[bitter turtle]

i didnt know it could proc on him lol

4x haymaker knives meta for assassination missions confiremd

[wanton dawn]

Yup. Either that or bug

[placid portal]

he is humanoid

[mystic belfry]

Ez

[wanton dawn]

Went from mid life to nothing

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-rip-rhino-toy-gif-23656797

When Scab 'eretic boss thinks he better than Empra

[wanton dawn]

I guess it does NOT go through shield though

[placid portal]

Ofc

It'd be very broken if all DoTs stacks and are only delayed until shield drops and all the DoT procs at once

[sleek cairn]

@wanton dawn wut'd u use on ur latest run

[mystic belfry]

Just give the shield an hp pool

And when I bleed the shield it leaks magma

[sleek cairn]

u know i still cant' convince myself if kraks are doing anythign at all besides saving a bit of ammo lol

[wanton dawn]

Variant of my plasma build with fire team. Then i stopped cuz my index hurts

[sleek cairn]

o

[placid portal]

does the 5% dmg boost help?

[wanton dawn]

There were 2 vet with ammo aura

So yes

[mystic belfry]

Throw krak

use ult

[placid portal]

FREE KRAK

[mystic belfry]

krak kills ten elites

[sleek cairn]

yeah but he's a plasma build

he could also just. shoot

10 elites

u know wut im sayin?

[mystic belfry]

Here's the trick

Throw krak

[wanton dawn]

Frags is better than kraks against elite group

[mystic belfry]

Proc double krak

Then charge plasma

[wanton dawn]

Even without the explosion dmg

[mystic belfry]

Shoot at the same time krak detonates

[sleek cairn]

LOL ok ok i get it ascend

[mystic belfry]

Make sure they're also tagged

[sleek cairn]

man it's like tony hawk pro skater in here. showing me all the tricks

to get max style points

[mystic belfry]

Ogryn is now atomized

[wanton dawn]

The other vets were playing brauto and plasma/chsword

[placid portal]

How tf did ppl found out they are stun immune with Tinker pre patch 15?

[sleek cairn]

honestly, its us melee vets. u feel it immediately

night n day difference

[wanton dawn]

Code and testing. It is very noticiable with ps

[sleek cairn]

we're in melee like 99% of the time. sometimes i dont even shoot once a whole damn round lol

so u'll feel something is really smooth

[sullen scarab]

Which Graia should I use?

Thinking about the left one just swapping Terrifying Barrage for Dumdum and crit chance for maniac?

[mystic belfry]

Knife is crack like that

When the knife is my hand, I don't wanna put it away

[midnight mortar]

Looking at the lua you can see the tags attached to talents.

[mystic belfry]

dumdum

[midnight mortar]

Like how Exhilirating is simply missing a minus symbol.

[sleek cairn]

lol honestly i can see psword, shovel, caxe2 (thats me), and dclaw being equally addictive

[sullen scarab]

One on the right?

[sleek cairn]

u put it on and ur like "i can kill anything"

[mystic belfry]

yep

[sullen scarab]

kk, ty!

[placid portal]

Wat the fuck they forgor to put a "-"????

[steady pawn]

what do i change these perks to?

[mystic belfry]

Honestly, there's a lot of melees I like a lot

[sullen scarab]

Sad I missed out on +25% flak for the other gun lmao

[umbral scaffold]

Same

[sleek cairn]

yeah when 20 ragers and maulers come in, i usually dive right in and make sure im smack dab surrounded

im sure mrcraime does similar

maximum immersion

also gives psykers a real good spot to control

lol

nice cluster for ogryns to nade or charge too

or just kickback

[wanton dawn]

Against rager i back dodge

[mystic belfry]

Also btw

[sleek cairn]

it helps that almost all the weps i listed can stagger ragers

[delicate moat]

losing AM speedrun

[sleek cairn]

they just fumble around

[mystic belfry]

I've decided with the current gunner, shotgun, and shooter spawn rates

Smoke nades are currently based

[umbral scaffold]

I would shoot first. And hopefully have my armor krak grenade. Or immediately fighting back with my power sword

[sleek cairn]

smoke is freakin awesome i used it the last 10 rounds

[placid portal]

Really Helpful on Carnival map

[mystic belfry]

Ye

[placid portal]

Super big areas

[delicate moat]

[sleek cairn]

1 smoke and they turn into dumb AI

they literally walk right up to u for no reason

[umbral scaffold]

That is dope

[placid portal]

especially on first Cypher Ident

[hollow hinge]

would the agripinna mk VIII braced autogun be good for a stealth veteran build?

[mystic belfry]

mood

[placid portal]

• Shocktroops

[mystic belfry]

Not particularly?

[sleek cairn]

u've seen them right? smoke a reaper and they just... walk around u and say hi

[delicate moat]

man i feel like i cant kill shit fast enough with vet in AM

[sleek cairn]

like "oh you're coming to me?"

[rocky stratus]

tryna find that shotgun for optimal infiltrate vet 😈
autopistol served its purpose

[mystic belfry]

Skill issue tbh

[delicate moat]

spawn director real spicy

[sleek cairn]

sometimes a blessing issue

[hollow hinge]

I want some type of auto fire gun for a commando stealth build

[placid portal]

Love me Rashad axe

[sleek cairn]

oh my lord, yes say that again

[placid portal]

Columnus?

[hollow hinge]

I use the combat knife for melee

[rocky stratus]

too many enemies
they should balance amount of enemies with strength of the enemies

[hollow hinge]

currently i use the plasma

[rocky stratus]

i did that pre carnival and now ppl are doing that a lot how bizarre

[frank ledge]

se need higher density hordes, like vt2, but consoles can't likely handle it

[hollow hinge]

autopistol is fun yeah

[delicate moat]

i need to find a vet loadout that im comfy with in AM

[mystic belfry]

That said, when you have no talents for support. Unironically I think shovel is the best melee

[delicate moat]

im struggling this patch

[rocky stratus]

i’m lagging a lot

[placid portal]

Columnus Autogun is hecking fun

[frank ledge]

poorly optimized game moment

[mystic belfry]

What kinda weapons do you like smoke

[hollow hinge]

I used to main shovel

[sleek cairn]

not a bad take actually. i can see it. why didnt u say dclaw?

[rocky stratus]

in general i am completing damnation missions i’ve just failed the ones i need to do (failed repair 3 times)

[delicate moat]

im the mk1 IAG / columnus kinda guy

[sleek cairn]

Dclaw and shovel are the safest weps so without supporting talents, ur right

[delicate moat]

i would love to take dclaw

[mystic belfry]

Just the stagger. Dclaw is better if you have to tank a boss, but otherwise shovel heavils and specials keep the creepers at bay

[placid portal]

Brutal momentum Combat Axes imo are based

[delicate moat]

but the carapace spam is tough

[placid portal]

Combat axes are fun shit

[hollow hinge]

i've never used the axe

[sleek cairn]

i mean in that sense caxe2 rashad is the same. it staggers everything

[mystic belfry]

🤔 I hate to say it but with that your route really probably is left capstone

[sleek cairn]

however shovel is faster, more reliable lol

safer

[placid portal]

Really nice vs crusher bc you can challenge them and kill them quite effectively

[sleek cairn]

i need actual talents to make rashad work

[hollow hinge]

what about Mk 2 Helbore lasgun?

[mystic belfry]

exactly.

[placid portal]

mk2 is faster firing Helbore

[delicate moat]

yeah which is unfortunately the opposite of my playstyle

[rocky stratus]

i swear the auto gun kinda silly rn

[delicate moat]

i move a lot

[placid portal]

Real

[mystic belfry]

Start mixing in more dodges instead of running as much

[sleek cairn]

or no dodge if psword

[hollow hinge]

yeah i know mk2 is faster firing helbore, but i was wondering it working well in a stealth commando build

[placid portal]

not so well

the draw speed is detrimental imo

[sleek cairn]

it's weird but telling vets to just melee for a while tends to make them better players lol

[delicate moat]

this does not work well in AM

[sleek cairn]

i mean the whole channel only plays auric maelstrom

[mystic belfry]

Every class should be using melee a lot, besides some psykers and kickback ogryn

[sleek cairn]

so we're referencing the same difficulty

[placid portal]

Slap on Sunder on PS and stagger all the threatening melees

[delicate moat]

i feel like maybe i relied too much of Thy Grenade Be Swift

[mystic belfry]

I got so lucky on my shovel lol

Litterally my first roll

[placid portal]

nice

[mystic belfry]

Like the first grey and then upgraded

[hollow hinge]

i was just thinking helbore 2 for some required range and dealing with certain specials like gunners and snipers

[placid portal]

Try Revolvers

[sleek cairn]

haha wut

[placid portal]

What is that

Is it the double grenades?

[sleek cairn]

i mean we got ppl doing true solo auric maelstroms with psword @delicate moat

[hollow hinge]

yeah revolvers are fun for sure.

[delicate moat]

no the stun immunity bug

[sleek cairn]

should be fine for u

in a 4 man

ascend calling it skill issue might be hurtful tho lol

let's call it.. a learning curve

see? euphemistic

[mystic belfry]

I avoid running glitched talents in my favor

Just a crutch you'll eventually lose

[placid portal]

I run Obrez helbore and I'd say it's going fine

[sleek cairn]

lately a lot of ppl have been shitting on psword here. what a strange strange trend..

it's caused some long arguments

[delicate moat]

i should try left tree with columnus

[empty heron]

Anyone else struggling with rashad on auric damn? I feel like it's amazing on standard heresy for example. But it really falls short on highest difficulty.

[remote osprey]

???

[sleek cairn]

i run ONLY rashad on auric maelstroms

i will show u the way

[empty heron]

teach me

[mystic belfry]

Achyls is the best axe imo

[sleek cairn]

u see 20 ragers? go into the middle of the pack and do not shout

just survive.

[placid portal]

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[sleek cairn]

if u survive, u'll be stronger!

repeat that until ur the best

[delicate moat]

[hollow hinge]

i was also thinking laspistol

[empty heron]

[tawdry swan]

Sounds like simple trolling?

I mean how do you shit on psword

[empty heron]

It's good for specials though

[remote osprey]

Mother of god...

[empty heron]

But it stops in the hordes

[hollow hinge]

I wish they'd add gun customization, like able to add a bayonet an most weapons

[tawdry swan]

they shitting on revolvee too?

[placid portal]

Rashad is not a bad weapon imo

[sleek cairn]

well @tawdry swan u were literally there when it happened

[mystic belfry]

Las pistol is great

[tawdry swan]

O I dont remember

[placid portal]

I did some damnation runs and cleaves through hoardes quite well

[sleek cairn]

@empty heron honesly i dont know how to tell u, it's a playstyle thing

[placid portal]

Woe an Obrez Upon Yee

[mystic belfry]

I fear no amount of ragers when I have a knife

They can't do shit