veteran-class

[frank ether]

chainsword

[delicate estuary]

ahh mb yea

[frank ether]

catachan also gets away with it thanks to parry

but I'm not gonna sit under crusher blow

[delicate estuary]

gotta learn how to parry it somehow

[frank ether]

anyways I think the rate at which you kill crushers is ok once decimator is going

but man decimator takes a while

to ramp up

if you havent charged it prior

and its so easy to reset

[delicate estuary]

if there is 6 crushers and my frontliner is having an issue I just go and poke them till a couple die and then go back maybe throw a nade in there

[frank ether]

like stop hitting for a moment or miss a swing and there goes your stacks

you can't just charge it up on some chaff and then run at crusher

[kind scarab]

Who needs stacks, when you can just

Gun

[delicate estuary]

although @frank ether I am running deadshot so I run all out or whatever the stamina blessing is that gives more damage the less you have with the weakspot blessing

so you can keep push attacking crushers

[frank ether]

I dont like that a lot but your pref rly

I guess you can consistently use it with the deadshot

but I dont like sitting in melee with no stam cause no block/bash scares me

[delicate estuary]

thats why shovel has 6 dodges

do heavies to create space with hordes

and dodge

[frank ether]

yeah thats what I spam but not amazing honestly

[pure kindle]

Yeah, that always gets me.
Pros:
You can counter Crushers!
Cons:
If you fuck-up, you eat a Crusher's full hit.

This means that I get into a pattern where someone clearly telegraphs an attack three weeks in advance, I hit the parry, and still dodge back to avoid it.

[frank ether]

maybe I need the push attack blessing instead of decimator

[forest blaze]

Yah. I’ll just dodge 😂

[sand oracle]

Which is why Psword >

Imagine taking a risk when you can get better damage for no risk

[frank ether]

psword has nowhere near the same mobility

the risk is you have half as many dodges

[forest blaze]

Neither does your mom

[sand oracle]

I use laspistol as offhand.

[kind scarab]

Imagine getting into melee with a crusher, when you can just shoot them in the face killing them instantly with a revolver

[sand oracle]

I swap to that, if I need mobility.

[delicate estuary]

just running all or nothing and uncanny

[pure kindle]

I don't use the Psword because it's too damn pretty and I do not play pretty characters.

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/krule-john-c-reilly-what-face-reaction-gif-16881707

[orchid cloak]

ez carried

[frank ether]

[sand oracle]

Which is the only reason I like laspistol over revolver

[orchid cloak]

vent purge exe stance diff

[kind scarab]

I can't believe you got good teammates

And yet i still see the scoreboard

[orchid cloak]

i always do?

[delicate estuary]

yea how does the aiming go there I am confused. Where to do you aim so the parry headshots them

[orchid cloak]

yall fr dont get good team mates?

yall okay?

[kind scarab]

Nah

I am not

[pure kindle]

Good players are actually the worst aspect of Fatshark RNG.

[plush dragon]

new veteran talent, spawn two extra bots to shoot shit

[whole moon]

You make em so rough it balances out

[orchid cloak]

heres how i see it

either i got good team mates

or i did my part ( :

ez

[delicate estuary]

ok let me rephrase do you put the crosshair itself to the head or doesnt the angle in which the parry goes off matter ?

[kind scarab]

I can only do so much, when the people I'm queued up with are worse than bots

[sand oracle]

Actually insane. I don't know how, but Darktide has the lowest skilled players on average than literally any other game I've ever seen.

And I have no idea why that is.

[orchid cloak]

i just simply dont believe it

yall are like gaslighting me into thinking people who play this game are bad

[sand oracle]

I can't think of anything off the top of my head.

[kind scarab]

They are though

[orchid cloak]

just get good team mates

4head

[delicate estuary]

vet and stealth zealot has forced me to adapt to teammate gameplay that way I get more Ws on average

[sand oracle]

I mean, I still carry most games but....

[whole moon]

Console Players.... There... I said it

[sand oracle]

It's kinda telling when at the end of ALL my games, leaderboard gives me 180-210 total score.... But all my team are like 70-100~

[kind scarab]

Bet

[sand oracle]

Like jesus fucking christ

[pure kindle]

I've been bothering Melk twice a day to double check but I keep getting level 28s even though I'm trying to play Heresy. I'm going for highs in Elite Damage and Situational Awareness, but I end up with a bunch of 80% Ammo Theft.

[orchid cloak]

even before stealth became widely ackonwledged i ran a 12 lasgun and exe stance and just removed specials

game gets a lot easier

[delicate estuary]

you do realize scores are not even real

[kind scarab]

I'll hire the trapper to kidnap all the bad players, so I can have all the good ones that make it through the missions

[dusk idol]

a combination of a new influx of players along with the easement of difficulty (prior to patch 15) have resulted in just players who are less experienced

[plush dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[sand oracle]

[delicate estuary]

yea as long as you can keep up with specials spawns and get given the space its possible

[delicate estuary]

like the calculations seem so bogus

[orchid cloak]

ive been playing since beta its been RARE i get bad mates

[dusk idol]

it has... not been rare for me

[sand oracle]

There's a mod for scoreboard, and each time I do the most damage to bosses, and kill the most specials, and typically take the least damage.

[pure kindle]

That's actually 'cuz of the new players. The weird part is that if you play around higher difficulties a few months after release, that's where all the competent players are because it filtered-out the Malice-Mains. Damnation was a breeze prior to the console release for that reason.

[orchid cloak]

i think the only time ive gotten sub par mates is day 1 of this patch

[plush dragon]

its all about tanking the most damage smh

[terse idol]

I mean league of legends

[orchid cloak]

when all builds were being worked on

which is fair

[dusk idol]

i get a decent mix though, it's like two or three decent players and one guy who is being a resource/time/health sink

[terse idol]

Mmr only just let's you see people of your skill

[dusk idol]

sometimes it's two players

[sand oracle]

I've never played that one, to be fair. Stayed away because of how toxic it is.

[terse idol]

There are much worse

[plush dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-darktide-gamer-girl-gif-27131761

[celest vine]

Praying hadron does mot brick it next consecration

[kind scarab]

Man, it must be a regional thing

[celest vine]

🙏

[tawdry yacht]

@formal lake any builds with the latest vet tree you can share? keen to see your solo maelstorm run again as well

[plush dragon]

LOL gl!

[delicate estuary]

low stability 🤢

[kind scarab]

Cause most of the people I end up finding in soloq in EU huff glue, and lick walls in my lobbies

[plush dragon]

da bounce

[kind scarab]

[terse idol]

Well ahh, like because darktide has no MMR you'll just get matched with anyone, so I mean it'll reel like you're meeting some bad folks
Also because crossplay

[eternal sable]

bad stability roll - sell it and go again

[celest vine]

Dont care hit hard

[terse idol]

[delicate estuary]

reticle gonna be changing timezones

[sand oracle]

You know what, that actually makes sense tbh. For a long time, in Damn and Auric I was getting good players.... Then the patch made them very hard to find.

[celest vine]

Rollong to roll

[sand oracle]

I'll assume it's new people, and people still working on builds.

[orchid cloak]

now if you want a game with bad m8s? battlebit is your game 💀

dog water the lot of em

[dusk idol]

pre-patch 13 there werent a lot of australian players, now there's a good amount

[orchid cloak]

but darktide is a easy game

theyre just bots lmao

[dusk idol]

i can only assume a lot of them are new to the game

[celest vine]

I already have a godroll anyway

💀

[delicate estuary]

then why are you rolling a new one

[sand oracle]

I don't think anyone's saying it's not easy, but... Between you and me... If I had the option to just play with bots as opposed to playing with randoms- I would take the bots. They at least know how to not make stupid decisions and stick to me.

[plush dragon]

LETS GOOO

[candid tundra]

so are the shotguns any good for vet at all? i need SOMETHING to occupy my time since my favourite playstyle (infantry lasgun, left tree) was GUTTED

[celest vine]

Cause I want a 12

[orchid cloak]

there is a mod for that

[eternal sable]

ia is trash

[celest vine]

I have my 1A

[delicate estuary]

oh its a 1a mb

[eternal sable]

mk12 low stability = trash

[dusk idol]

but they blow up pox bursters in your face

[sand oracle]

Do you actually get rewards for playing modded games?

[dusk idol]

an unforgivable sin

yes

[plush dragon]

?

[dusk idol]

you do

[sand oracle]

Yes, and they don't revive you. But ... So do players.

[dapper vessel]

no

[orchid cloak]

do i bother gambling on this thing?

[sand oracle]

At least I can count on the bots do it.

[orchid cloak]

yes

[plush dragon]

yes

[delicate estuary]

the only mod that does not give you mods is the true solo one as far as I am aware

[dapper vessel]

solo play wont give you any rewards

[plush dragon]

always gamble to blue

[sand oracle]

I'm getting so many conflicting answers, I'm just going to not do it.

[dapper vessel]

wait

[plush dragon]

and hope for two non needed to be re rolled stats

[dusk idol]

soloplay is one mod

[dapper vessel]

what modded game?

[terse idol]

No you can play modded

[flint lake]

Shotguns are okay. Not great. They’ll regularly 2-3 shot elites.

[terse idol]

Darktide

[tawny pawn]

should I?

[terse idol]

And get progress

[celest vine]

Johnny darktide

[sand oracle]

Themod to play solo

[plush dragon]

shotguns are good because they stagger anything with one shot

[sand oracle]

Where I can just have bots

[plush dragon]

and engage covering fire

[dapper vessel]

Solo play mod doesnt give you rewards

[delicate estuary]

true solo mod does not give you rewards

[plush dragon]

so you just hipfire trash neear ur teamamates

[junior needle]

Yes, that's very well rolled

[sand oracle]

Solo with bots?!

[dapper vessel]

yes

solo play with bots

[sand oracle]

Yeah I'll just assume you're right.

[orchid cloak]

trash

[delicate estuary]

solo games are mostly for practice

[orchid cloak]

waste of plasteel

[sand oracle]

Because people are hitting me with like.... Everything

[dapper vessel]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/176

[plush dragon]

rampage and savage sweep r wat u want, can gamble to purp at least still

[dapper vessel]

we are talking about this mod right?

[orchid cloak]

nah

[sand oracle]

I don't know, someone suggested I play solo with bots.

[plush dragon]

and hope for good stat for legen

[orchid cloak]

if i dont have 50% of a god roll at blue i dont bother

[sand oracle]

But I don't want to lose out on the REASON to play.

[orchid cloak]

my gear is at that point

[flint lake]

If you wanna play shotgun, get an Agrippa and go melee vet

[dapper vessel]

oh lmao

[dusk idol]

you will be fine with rampage and skullcrusher as well

[kind scarab]

They can oneshot things now, if you build'em right

[sand oracle]

That's too much work, I'd rather just carry the inbred people.

[kind scarab]

[sand oracle]

Thanks for the heads up tho

[plush dragon]

just means ur frugal

[flint lake]

Within 12 meters or so, sure.

[kind scarab]

up to 20m

[orchid cloak]

im not frugal the game is stingy 😛 far different

[flint lake]

Probably with the agripp’s slug definitely

[dusk idol]

same old skullcrusher, only text changed

[whole moon]

Didn't they change 'close range's distance recently?

[orchid cloak]

i must of blown like 7k steel today

with nothing to show

[delicate estuary]

its not the game. If you kiss hadron's feet she will give you the godroll you never asked for

[placid portal]

Tbf skullcrusher apparently was 10% but FS forgot to update description

[flint lake]

A regular shot though usually ain’t gonna cut it due to the pellet scatter

[dusk idol]

they changed the text, not what the blessing did

it’s been known for a while it goes up to 80%

[digital gazelle]

Which powersword works best for veteran?

[mystic belfry]

6

[delicate estuary]

whats bugged about 3

[tawdry swan]

because if ur in the charging animation for 3 you cant block, but 6 can right?

[dusk idol]

spread is pretty tight on shotguns

[dusk idol]

nothings bugged

[mystic belfry]

Since when was it bugged

[tawdry swan]

love the shotguns in this game

[dusk idol]

it’s just not up to snuff really outside of horde clear

[digital gazelle]

how is this

[mystic belfry]

Good

[placid portal]

Good luck

[celest vine]

Youll want the rating to be 360 plus

[mystic belfry]

That one is fine

[tawdry swan]

maybe im wrong but i swear i could block while in the charge up animation on 6, but i cant with the 3. i think

[celest vine]

If you want the best

[delicate estuary]

370+ or bust

[dusk idol]

stat distribution is more important than rating

[mystic belfry]

More cleave targets would be nice but it's not needed

[celest vine]

It works good

You kill most in one hit anyway

[junior needle]

Went down from 15m to 7/8m in the talent patch last I checked

[placid portal]

Is it bc higher stat base has better rng for blessings & perks?

🤔

[whole moon]

6s movesets make more sense too. At least to me. Heavies are single target, the block smash pens bulwarks and wrecks crusher weak spots

[mystic belfry]

Nope, you'll always rule lvl 1 blessings regardless

[tawdry swan]

i really like having a big fuck you heavy horizontal spam it reminds me of saltzpyre greatsword so i like 3 better but ya 6 is more effective

[mystic belfry]

Actually, your p6 single target is push attack -> light attack 4

[digital gazelle]

ooh

[mystic belfry]

Not heavies

[dusk idol]

some people say yes, some people say no, until I see confirmation I just call it tinfoil

[whole moon]

Nah I always sweep attack

[placid portal]

heavies are kinda sluggish

But do offer more power

[junior needle]

Keep it for when (if) the 2 tac axe becomes not doodoo

Or was it another model that was bad

[placid portal]

What's the point of Tac axe again?

[junior needle]

One of them is really bad though, probably that one

[placid portal]

🤔

[mystic belfry]

Martyr

[dusk idol]

i think 2 and 7 are the good ones

[delicate estuary]

well mobility, dodge distance, their special can stagger crushers on a headshot plus alright single target damage

[dusk idol]

it will stagger them on chest shot iirc

[dark sorrel]

How good is Graia Infantry autogun?

[delicate estuary]

also light 2 into special is very funny on tac axe 2

its literally a bonk

[dusk idol]

nevermind

[mystic belfry]

Tac axe special will stagger anything besides a boss

[dusk idol]

it's headshot

[mystic belfry]

And martyr makes it start hitting way better breakpoints

If you wanna tac axe try it

[placid portal]

Rashad Axe is hella fun

[plush dragon]

secret

[delicate estuary]

the only melee weapon I find sluggish and clunky are the combat axes

but thats just my pref

[mystic belfry]

Weird

[delicate estuary]

like I dunbno something about the heavy attacks just makes me want to 🤮

[placid portal]

Brutal momentum + Combat axes makes the weapon less clunky imo

[mystic belfry]

Use achyls if you like light attacks

[placid portal]

Antax is probs the most horizontal light sweep despite being strikedown right?

[crimson sparrow]

So how are we feeling about the vet keystones? Haven't been able to test them out yet.

[delicate estuary]

@formal lake what blessings do you run on PS6

[placid portal]

Right Keystone is fun

esp on Revolver

[tawdry swan]

bm?

oh

[delicate estuary]

left side keystone will be more fun when they fix exhilarating takedown so your headshots actually give you toughness damage reduction

[tawdry swan]

i use pc and slaughterer

havent gotten brutal momentum

ye its dumb

[placid portal]

slaughter is alright but rampage is also good

[tawdry swan]

really? i thought slaughterer was better

[placid portal]

Rampage still got that weird 50% dmg stack on power right?

Stacks with old buff and new buff

[dark sorrel]

On my Vet

Yay? Nay?

[delicate estuary]

oh just noticed the ignore hitmass part thats quite insane for mixed hordes

[placid portal]

36% power + 50% dmg is some helluva drug

[dusk idol]

melks?

[dark sorrel]

Si

[dusk idol]

if it's better than anything you got, sure, otherwise, prob not

[tawdry swan]

[dusk idol]

you don't want carapace, stam or crucian on the vraks, though i'm sure you could make it work

[placid portal]

Just wanna join a random game and leave

Wait what does the melee specialist buff do again?

[tawdry swan]

well yeah brutal just gives u a ton of headshot damage and effectively insane cleave right

its dumb

[serene sage]

❤️

[placid portal]

15% but good for some weapons really nice

[serene sage]

I can 2 shot crushers with the 10% melee node

also wtf were they thinknig giving us 10% melee

[placid portal]

Ye that do be very brutal

[whole moon]

Now go enjoy it before it gets nerfed!

[placid portal]

Muh commando build

Wat

XDDD

or momentum?

[delicate estuary]

yea but zealot has more survivability than vet tbh

with momentum I feel extremely safe unless I am out there trying to kill trapers

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, I run martyr zealot

[bitter turtle]

do you guys just like not sprint if you do columnus deadshot lol

[mystic belfry]

it just feels the best

[bitter turtle]

between encounters I mean

[placid portal]

You could, and just rely on duck dive

[bitter turtle]

i hate playing like this

[mystic belfry]

You can just build your stacks up again? You're between encounters who cares

[bitter turtle]

i might drop it even though it ltierally adds 400 dps lol

[delicate estuary]

I sprint with the mk12 as well I just use exe stance to hipfire so I can regen stamina

[mystic belfry]

I feel the same tbh

it is good though, it just feels funny

[placid portal]

Cool stuff

[small loom]

swap weakspot for maniax?

[bitter turtle]

ya but mk12 is single shot

seen people praise deadshot columnus

i mean dont get me wrong

it spews damage

[mystic belfry]

it's good

[bitter turtle]

but i feel like im not allowed to sprint between encounters lmao

[placid portal]

Dunno Deadshot columnus is something I tried but no different without it

[mystic belfry]

Just sprint between encounters, it's not that hard to get your stacks back

[placid portal]

Still Brrts

[delicate estuary]

its probably fine since left keystone is way more consistent with full auto weapons I just like the whole sharpshooter vet thing so I run mk12 since I find it more skill expressive than just holding down left click

[tawdry swan]

how?

[placid portal]

Le me With the Obrez Lucius Lasgun

[delicate estuary]

I want to like hellbore 3 but charge time feels too long is the 2 more consistent ?

[mystic belfry]

If you have shout ult up and iron will, you can tank a sniper shot with no hp damage

[placid portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174682244594552924/lus.png?ex=65687b17&is=65560617&hm=ef5dcd4fed092d8b75564ca21e0470ca9c0b5767381987f8efc6b57089234c14&

Can't get over this

[tawdry swan]

that does make sense

[delicate estuary]

can you see smoll bolter

'have you seen

[placid portal]

not yet

[delicate estuary]

its a very cute bolter

[small loom]

i like Helbore I

[mystic belfry]

Vet can generate a really good amount of toughness on the right build, and they're resistant to single massive attacks

[placid portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174682657477632071/krig.png?ex=65687b7a&is=6556067a&hm=84162d243d280b9a1ff7eb9e109c92365cfca7b0a62cd8fbd23fa2b9b836f28e&

[mystic belfry]

The only big weakness to a high toughness vet is fire, and that's a skill issue

[placid portal]

Scale of how short the barrel is

[delicate estuary]

holding onto it for dear life

[placid portal]

the bayonet is the handle

[mystic belfry]

I have more bullets on my pauldrons now

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/of-merc-of-merc-dance-merc-of-merc-tf2-tf2-gif-19547599

[desert hawk]

now get the hat and finish the set

[mystic belfry]

Nope

I like that one more

[placid portal]

what is the set?

[mystic belfry]

The legendary unlockable one

[placid portal]

Hmmm

[mystic belfry]

Killshot's Duty Uniform

[desert hawk]

it's from the now 'redacted' pennances

[placid portal]

Which penance is that

[mystic belfry]

Uh, the 90% accuracy one is the body

[placid portal]

zamn

[desert hawk]

They kinda tucked them away in the menu now

since a lot of them now need private matches or you gotta do some real troll shit

[mystic belfry]

It's not that bad tbh, I just ran a mission with revolver and knife, emptied revolver carefully

[dusk idol]

if you're using a shotgun, do you only need 1 pellet to hit for it to count as a hit?

or is it all of them?

[desert hawk]

yes

just one pellet

[mystic belfry]

Then ran the rest of the mission with pure knife and three teammates that couldn't stay alive

[desert hawk]

I did it with shotgun

[delicate estuary]

I remember the good old days when you could get to an end event crash the game reconnect get 1 headshot and complete the penance

[dusk idol]

well, time to do lawbringer special shot

[desert hawk]

so you can make up 'lost' shots

by blasting in a horde

[placid portal]

Shotgun now is slightly harder bc it has like 100+ ammo now doesn't it

[desert hawk]

since it's % accuracy

[placid portal]

[desert hawk]

Plus ideally you don't run scav

[mystic belfry]

Just don't miss

[desert hawk]

so you can empty your shit

[dusk idol]

yeah lawbringer is at like 85 rounds

[desert hawk]

but then you're hard int-ing your team

[mystic belfry]

Yeah I just ran my bleed knife build and a regular revolver

let me tell you, I shouldn't have done that penance on damnation

[dusk idol]

eh

it's only heresy

[mystic belfry]

My team kept dying and I had no ammo

At one point there was five fucking snipers

[placid portal]

infiltrate time

[mystic belfry]

Despite what my helmet says, I'm not a beta, so I use shout melee vet

[desert hawk]

The new pennances are much do-able over time

and are more team friendly

[delicate estuary]

shout users 🤮

[placid portal]

Shout is still good

[mystic belfry]

Infilitrate users are the defintion of skill issue

smh

[vague lintel]

Shouts great

[delicate estuary]

I am not saying its not @placid portal just dislike how good it is

[desert hawk]

that and there's no 4th helmet like the game art

[placid portal]

I'd say it's toned down well

Maybe nerf duration back to original

[mystic belfry]

I'm liking my support build a lot honestly

[delicate estuary]

its 200 group toughness and a stagger anything button

[desert hawk]

It was fine at 100, just don't let em stack

[delicate estuary]

toned down is an understatement

[desert hawk]

granted 300 toughness was pretty hilarious

[mystic belfry]

You know what's better than 200 toughness every 30 seconds?

[vague lintel]

Tbh im not sure if this game will ever not have really good stuff given assail has been nerfed twice now and is still absurd lol

[placid portal]

with current shout you only need 15s downtime

[mystic belfry]

This

This shit is so good

It's actually nuts

[placid portal]

That is hella nice

Spam and kill

Pog

[desert hawk]

Yeah you just gotta put a down payment on your mortgage in skill tree points to get there

[delicate estuary]

the problem with assail is that it cleaves from what I have heard once that is fixed then it wont be an issue

[vague lintel]

Honestly i just think it needs half the ammo

Make it actually quickswap

[vague lintel]

10 just means i can use it for whatever i want basically

[placid portal]

is out of blood nice?

🤔

[mystic belfry]

I don't even use that ammo aura myself tbh, but support build gotta support

[desert hawk]

Anyday now large fish

ammo aura is still objectively the best

[vague lintel]

I think the cleave is attached to a node tho

[mystic belfry]

It's going to stay broken for months for sure fam

[placid portal]

If exhilerating takedown gets fixed hopefully it'll be good

[mystic belfry]

I run damage on my melee knife build

[desert hawk]

Supposedly they're supposed to fix it on the next hotfix

but they said that last hotfix

[placid portal]

[mystic belfry]

lol

[delicate estuary]

I think it will get nerfed when it gets fixed cause some braced autoguns and normal autoguns will be stupid with exe stance

[desert hawk]

then again I've played enough large fish games to know shit's gonna be broke for a hot minute

[orchid cloak]

easy fix just give braced auto guns dum dum and raking fire instead of inf ( :

[placid portal]

Oh god the recovery rate and DMG resist is gonna get halved

[mystic belfry]

Said melee build

Avoids most of the tax I could manage

[delicate estuary]

like that node is a godsend for slow firing weapons because you can make use of the stacks properly but full auto weapons will be funny

[placid portal]

Desperado is such a fun passive for melee

[mystic belfry]

Oh, wait actually ,I changed the +1 stam to +5% movement

[desert hawk]

Do..I give las pistol a try?

[placid portal]

Hell yee

fun stuff

Just hit heads ez

[desert hawk]

I used it waaay back on another class during the leveling process

[atomic zephyr]

best outfit ever

[placid portal]

Needs more shiv

[desert hawk]

The dementors were real scary in prison ok

[orchid cloak]

ya hate to see it

[raw steppe]

are you running stamina regen on curio

[desert hawk]

ordo dockets is goated

[mystic belfry]

I run:

[raw steppe]

you should try to get one line of hp somewhere

just so you break the breakpoint

of getting 2-shot by poxburster train

[mystic belfry]

I haven't honestly had much issue with pox bursters?

[orchid cloak]

why do people bother with sniper DR

:x get gunner and dodge snipers

[mystic belfry]

... I have x3 gunner fam

[orchid cloak]

i mean in general

[mystic belfry]

And mostly that on the occasion I either can smashed in a corner and can't dodge out, or when I get a silent sniper

I don't think sniper damage is needed, but I like to run it

[strange ledge]

How much HP DMG do you take with 1x sniper dr

[placid portal]

or that occassional Mutie throw into sniper trickshot

[mystic belfry]

If I have my ult up, I take zero hp damage from sniper

[mystic belfry]

yeee, las pistol is really good

[mystic belfry]

I had a guy trying to clutch for us last night. He fumbled and got grabbed by a trapper. mid air two fucking snipers beemed him, before he even hit the ground in the animation

[strange ledge]

It's worth it then imo

[mystic belfry]

Instantly dead

[placid portal]

MORTIS

[junior needle]

122.5 x .8 = 98, so 98 in a vacuum with 20% sniper res

[mystic belfry]

We were actually cracking up in voip over it

[raw steppe]

0 if he hits a toughness breakpoint

with it

to be fair

[junior needle]

I wasn't aware that was possible with 1x sniper dr

[mystic belfry]

Ult is +50 toughness

[raw steppe]

think it is with 33% DR + iron will 50%

[mystic belfry]

And I run 2 toughness curios

And i have iron will, yeah

I'm I'm pretty sure I can tank a sniper shot with just full toughness but idr

[junior needle]

So it at least needs both and voc up?

[mystic belfry]

Before my full curios set ult would do it

[fresh dome]

I run that bolter with Born leader each salvo is 70 toughness heal for my allies

[mystic belfry]

But I'm pretty sure I tank it from full toughness, but I don't take clips or anything for proof so

[raw steppe]

no you don't need the aura DR if you have voc and sniper resist

you just need some combination of those

sources

[mystic belfry]

How did you know my max toughness was 1

[raw steppe]

oh

overtoughness prevents spillover?

[placid portal]

Dear god

[raw steppe]

i think you can do it without overtoughness

[mystic belfry]

You can

[raw steppe]

just needs a lot more

1225

it should be

[mystic belfry]

Just be an ogryn smh

[raw steppe]

with curio DR and aura DR and iron will DR maybe

[mystic belfry]

I don't know the math to plot it out tbh

[junior needle]

Apparently you don't even need the sniper res, just voc up

Nutty ability

[placid portal]

[raw steppe]

probably will be possible

[placid portal]

or back to 10 sec duration

[raw steppe]

once they fix exhilarating

[placid portal]

The cooldown is super short anyways

[raw steppe]

or if they do

shout -> 45s, invis -> 30s

[mystic belfry]

Hmm, not bad

Upgrade time I guess, thanks shop

[placid portal]

Not bad indeed

[mystic belfry]

I am of course out of plasteel

[placid portal]

rip

[mystic belfry]

I actually kinda dug infernus on my shittier las pistol

[whole moon]

That will work fine now

[mystic belfry]

hmm?

[whole moon]

You may need the autofire mod

[mystic belfry]

... For a las pistol?

[whole moon]

Yup

[mystic belfry]

How

[whole moon]

Or you WILL get RSI

[placid portal]

Laspistol Pew Pew Gaming

[mystic belfry]

I'm not weak

[whole moon]

Take it out for a spin then 😉

[mystic belfry]

It's not that high fire rate

... I have been using one

It's not that crazy at all wdym

[delicate estuary]

ascend did forgo flesh for machine as flesh is weak, hadron has mandated it so

[placid portal]

FOOLS I HAVE REPLACED MY INDEX FINGER INTO A MACHINE

[delicate estuary]

RSI sounds heretical nonsense

[mystic belfry]

What's with the weak ass hands of the average 40k playr

[whole moon]

Meh, maybe I just have a few years on you. My joints need the support

[mystic belfry]

i've never seen this much talk about finger pain from just clicking fast in one place before

I'm 30 fam

[whole moon]

I stopped counting my age at 40

[mystic belfry]

Do you do arm and hand excersises?

[whole moon]

Most of me hurts, is swollen or damaged from a life well lived thanks

[mystic belfry]

Just put a bandage on you'll be fine

[real pumice]

What do you guys think about using a laspistol with weapin specialist?

[mystic belfry]

Not really worth weapon specialist imo

Works better with revolver, shotgun, plasma, shit like that

[lean belfry]

I got to ask, but does anyone else have an issue with using the Helbore lasguns?

[mystic belfry]

I hate them

Feels bad

[delicate estuary]

here is my question

[potent canyon]

I like using MK2 and bayonet charging

[real pumice]

I can't hit shit with them. I thought it was just me having bad aim though

[midnight mortar]

If by issue you mean ghost input buffering problems on the mk3, then yes.

[delicate estuary]

do I just accept pain and run exhillarating takedown

[mystic belfry]

They are accurate with ADS

[mystic belfry]

What build

[delicate estuary]

marksman

[midnight mortar]

Is it fun to take +30% damage? If so, then yes.

[delicate estuary]

just kill everything before it kills you

[lean belfry]

Tbh, I get more out of the bayonetting than actually shooting the weapon

[mystic belfry]

How is a little toughness generation making you do more damage

[celest vine]

She in fact did not brick my roll

[mystic belfry]

Take the reload skill right there

[celest vine]

[mystic belfry]

Ayyy

[celest vine]

Headhunter and maniac lets goooooo

[delicate estuary]

the node is bugged as in you receive 30% more damage

[ancient path]

a new marvel indeed. grats.

[tawdry swan]

does progress on contracts not count unless u win the mission?

[delicate estuary]

in actually you get toughness and DR with that node

but right now its bugged

[mystic belfry]

You asked if it was worth it

[ancient path]

which node?

[mystic belfry]

How is it making you do more damage

[ancient path]

oof.

[mystic belfry]

it makes you take +10% damage per stack

[ancient path]

yikes

ill be sure to take it off

[mystic belfry]

Just take the reload on elite kill next to it N7

[delicate estuary]

yea so you replenish 30% toughness on headshots but you also take 30% more damage cause its bugged instead of having damage reduction

@mystic belfry I dont need it

[ancient path]

i do im playing revolver

😔

[delicate estuary]

I run mk12

[solemn plaza]

hopefully it gets patched soon i really like it on my hellbore 3

[mystic belfry]

It should be a great talent

[ancient path]

walking up to heretics going "this town aint big enough for the two of us."

[solemn plaza]

helps when im trying to hardscope through gunshots trying to find the sniper

[solemn plaza]

well yes, thats a must have

but always wantin more toughness where i can get it

[mystic belfry]

Sadly, the moved a lot of vets toughness generation to the right, and especially the middle capstone

🤔 Do you think running a plasma would be decent on a build without support for it, does it have any decent breakpoints at base?

[delicate estuary]

just magdump

not like ammo is an issue

[half path]

opinions on this is it worth upgrading (dont say "no its a recon" or ill bite your throat out)

[mystic belfry]

Yeah but like, does it peform decently without support for it?

[mystic belfry]

no its recon

[tardy vigil]

well enough, you'll reliably two shot gunners with a decent setup

[half path]

grrrrrrrr

[mystic belfry]

Also, sadly not really

Recon only has one damage stat, so ideally get it really high

[gritty mural]

A lot of veterans dr and toughness perks should’ve been moved to the top of the tree

[slow sky]

is that not what they did

[delicate estuary]

you mean 3 of which 1 of them is bugged, the other got nerfed and the third is ok?

[tardy vigil]

its really just the loss of ET, that alone gives so much that with it being bugged is a major hit to survivability

[delicate estuary]

if ET was fixed then we would have nothing to complain about

[haughty summit]

what should i change. Stam to maniac?

[fleet garden]

what is the roll for a columnus

[tardy vigil]

max damage is probably dum-dum and raking fire, but im no expert on it

assuming IAG

[slow sky]

sustained to surgical

youll just have to deal with 1 dead perk

[haughty summit]

i mean sustained fire isn't totally useless is surgical really that clutch?

[slow sky]

surgical allows you to force a crit

[haughty summit]

true

[slow sky]

and even if you dont, its like 20-50% crit chance for just aiming in during normal gameplay

[half wigeon]

Was wondering was would be a good remplacement for the Colomnus ( i dont really like the facts dps go down a lot with distance )

[slow sky]

and you already have t4 handcannon

[half wigeon]

Agri 1 ?

[fresh dome]

surgical on a helbore is op

[haughty summit]

true ty

[solemn plaza]

definitely must have. this is mine

[slow sky]

oh and dont worry about getting surgical t4 before you change it
surgical t1 and hc 4 is still really really good

[real pumice]

I've been wondering about the correct ways to utilize the infiltrate ability. I'm debating at times whether I should be more aggressive with it and go off to kill/disrupt shooters for the team.

My old worry was that I'd end up alone and die, which isnt great. But now I've had a couple of times where I would infiltrate and start chopping up gunners, only for the team to die behind me. So now I'm wondering if I made bad calls there.

[haughty summit]

got it appreciate the input

[umbral scaffold]

Which lucius is a good stand in for the kantrael 12?

[slow sky]

since surgical t1 still allows you to force crits, its just like .5 seconds slower to max stacks per tier

[midnight mortar]

You'll have to make some judgment calls after paying attention to how your teammates perform.

[haughty summit]

the crits synegize with handcannon

[solemn plaza]

depends what you want. 3 is the best imo since its the most damage and has the clearest sights

[midnight mortar]

Do they stay together? Do they have good situational awareness?

Do they pay attention?

Or are they really disjointed and never really consolidating anywhere?

[digital gazelle]

What perks should I slap on my agripinaa mk1 autogun?

[half wigeon]

IS there a good long / mid range weapon autogun IS thé agri 1 good ?

[real pumice]

I see. I'll have to try to do that

[slow sky]

its HUGE trust me

[umbral scaffold]

Im running a support/toughness build with krak and just looking for something versatile for trash and anything non-armored

[haughty summit]

bet just swapped it

[slow sky]

go play with it in the meat grinder and youll see what i mean

[solemn plaza]

maybe mark 2 then? that one is the most balanced between speed and damage, but if you manage to find a 3 with onslaught it mitagates the firerate issue immensely

[umbral scaffold]

Thanks much

[solemn plaza]

helbore takes getting used to but i love the thing

[mortal horizon]

whats the chargetime activation difference on the powersword 3 vs 6

is the time interval known

[slow sky]

i dont believe there is a difference

just a different animation

[midnight mortar]

I haven't measured exactly.

[whole moon]

For me it's not the interval that's the problem, the 6 charging will impair movement that the 3 doesn't. You can slide to mitigate most of it

[midnight mortar]

I know there is a difference between the two.

I can feel it when using them.

But I haven't timed it myself.

[delicate estuary]

6 is better overall anyways

[mortal horizon]

i heard a few times 6 was slower

[delicate estuary]

but run whatever you prefer

[atomic zephyr]

ok lads and lasses
i have four loadout slots used right now
is there anything interesting i should use my fifth slot on?
currently have lasgun focus target, melee build, plasma gunner grenadier and agri brauto gunner larp

[midnight mortar]

The 6's energize animation is slightly faster.

[mortal horizon]

i think its the 3s thats faster lol

or thought

[midnight wing]

if you 1 shot stuff focus target doesnt trigger right?

[whole moon]

Same but haven't timed

[midnight mortar]

Well, guess I'll try to time it. As someone who used the 3 almost exclusively and then tried the 6 though

The 6 is faster. It definitely animation locks you for less time.

[half wigeon]

IS there a good long / mid range weapon autogun IS thé agri 1 good ?

[atomic zephyr]

headhunter autoguns are your long range autoguns

as it is, the agri iag is a solid mid ranger

relies on headshots though

i personally adore it but idk if its meta

[raw steppe]

All the iags are finesse yep

[whole moon]

Reverse damage falloff on the Lasweps means the MG 12 should tick your boxes too

[raw steppe]

All the iags are good

[atomic zephyr]

...yknow, would an IAG build benefit from marksman's focus?

since it uses finesse?

[raw steppe]

People are just obsessed cuz colum does the most dmg

[atomic zephyr]

i dont actually like graia iag

tried it in an auric

[raw steppe]

But there are def times when graia and agri will perform better

[atomic zephyr]

it just doesnt hit the same

[mystic belfry]

Fashion

[atomic zephyr]

yeah im gonna try and make an iag build with marksmans focus keystone.,.

[midnight mortar]

Only guns with a high rate of fire really benefit from Marksman's Focus.

Since they typically can use the finesse power to meet breakpoints.

[atomic zephyr]

sounds like it checks that box then

[midnight mortar]

Guns like the XII don't benefit from finesse power really.

[raw steppe]

Wot lol

[midnight mortar]

In a counterintuitive design choice.

[atomic zephyr]

yeah i found that out, focus targets works better for inf lasguns

[midnight mortar]

Yep.

[raw steppe]

It benefits plenty of slower weapons

Notably the crit ones

[atomic zephyr]

set em up, pop em in the head, get toughness and stamina. feelsgoodman

[raw steppe]

As well as plasma

[midnight wing]

does focus target trigger if you 1 tap them tho?

pretty sure it isnt

or at least i didnt see it

[rich oyster]

mk3 vs mk4 power sword which is better? im leaning towards mk3

[raw steppe]

Tag keystone has best performance for me with brautos

Too much brainpower to worry about headshotting and managing reloads

Just have infinite ammo and hipfire the body

[atomic zephyr]

ive been using brauto with weapon specialist

the fire rate boost with agri brauto is hilarious

[umbral scaffold]

Wasnt there a mod that improved hellbore sights?

[raw steppe]

Weapon specialist only applies to 1 shot and it also works better with crit weapons

[atomic zephyr]

eh

[raw steppe]

Not sure the synergy is there with brautos unfortunately

[atomic zephyr]

probably

[midnight mortar]

To use the XII as an example, it's already either one shotting or two shotting on headshot gunners, reapers, and ragers.

[atomic zephyr]

ive been having fun with it either way

[raw steppe]

Right but thats just one weapon lol

[atomic zephyr]

more bullets = more fun

[midnight mortar]

Additional finesse power, building up 10 stacks doesn't necessarily change the XII's performance.

[atomic zephyr]

simple as

with an iag marksman build should i use exe stance or shout?

[raw steppe]

For a weapon such as plasma or a hh autogun which are slow firing they will benefit a ton

So a statement like "it doesnt work well on slower guns isnt really true"

[whole moon]

Most lean towards the Mk6 but I love em both tbh. If you enjoy using it then crack on. Maybe give the 6 another go later

[raw steppe]

Your own preference

[atomic zephyr]

fair

[torn gorge]

wait

its only the crit that benefits the first shot

[rich oyster]

intresting, whats the dump stat on that?

[raw steppe]

Mk6 is overtuned currently

[torn gorge]

the attack speed should benefit follow up shots as well

[raw steppe]

But just use whichever one you like

[whole moon]

Mobility but ideally keep it above 50

[midnight mortar]

Some side by side testing as best as I could manage.

Apparently the 6 slows you down more during the energize animation.

But this is probably evened out by the fact that for horizontals you're using lights on the 6.

Whereas on the 3 you need heavies.

[raw steppe]

6 charge chains into block, which you'll be using a lot because of the push attack

3 charge chains into heavy swing

[midnight mortar]

I was looking to answer a question of which power sword had shorter animation locks.

If there even was a difference.

That's what I was replying to.

[atomic zephyr]

salvagable?

[whole moon]

Punishing salvo to something else. dumdum. Reload speed to flakiac

[atomic zephyr]

was thinking of throwing fire frenzy in for punishing salvo since i dont have dumdum for...some reason

that work too?

[whole moon]

I'd say so. I was gonna play w that build later today

[atomic zephyr]

yee it works great on my agri, thats why it was my gut reaction

[acoustic wyvern]

By the time you rack up kills for fire frenzy your ammo will be almost 0 to half. Dum dum is superior

[fathom edge]

so did vet get nerfed in the hotfix?

[junior needle]

Hotfix notes were mostly documenting nerfs that were in the anniversary patch but left out of the patch notes

[flint garden]

those changes just werent listed in 15

[fathom edge]

oh, wasnt sure with the way they formatted the patch notes

[junior needle]

You can just change it anytime anyway. Bugged dumdum gives you consistent damage at most ranges without needing kills within like 7/8m.

[finite imp]

Hard

[atomic zephyr]

fair, i just threw on t3 dumdum

giving it a try in normal damnation

[spark hamlet]

what would you change with this - +8% to maniacs and gloryhunter for something else?

[finite imp]

I used to love the CIAG but it just doesn't hit like it used to :\

[whole moon]

Gets Hot!

[candid tundra]

meta as far as I know is blaze away/gets hot

[finite imp]

maybe im playing wrong

[spark hamlet]

this was just a profane one ig rabbed off brunt to get used to plasma guns

decided to ugprade because w/e

[mortal horizon]

is exhil takedown still bugged

[spark hamlet]

i think so?

[mortal horizon]

guessing so

just making sure

[finite imp]

the Vet would sure be fun to play if that super good ability worked right lol

[spark hamlet]

what would you pair with a palsma gun - shredder grenades?

[tawdry swan]

Yes

[finite imp]

im a krak head

[spark hamlet]

and ooh.. exec stance or VoC

oh shit resupply allies is fixed!

[fathom edge]

is brutal better than slaughterer? (assuming other blessing is power cycler)

or rampage

[whole moon]

Currently Brutal then Rampage then Slaughter

Unless they fixed rampage

[junior needle]

Brutal has an uncanny interaction which allows you to get first target damage on multiple targets

[spark hamlet]

wait should I have rampage on this

[junior needle]

So you can one shot multiple bruisers with it, drastically improving clear

[whole moon]

Imo yes

[fathom edge]

so i should pick that up for brutal 4?

[tawdry swan]

Ideal is power cycler brutal

[junior needle]

There's not much difference between brutal tiers, I wouldn't if you just want brutal

2.5% weakspot damage from t3 to t4 is nothing

[spark hamlet]

what's the 101 for plasma guns

[junior needle]

even a t2 from the shop will be 99% power

[spark hamlet]

hover at 60% heat?

[tawdry swan]

Idk if ur rally gonna be able to during the chaos
Just use it appropriate when u need it

[spark hamlet]

ok

[fathom edge]

man ive spent like almost 10k plasteel on the PS farm grind for cycler 4 and other things

[bronze trout]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[spark hamlet]

meanwhile i saw it on melk while browsing

[bronze trout]

Yeah bought it at melk's and I got from the emperor shortly after too

[fathom edge]

melk did give me this yesterday so i guess he isnt without some kindness

[weary stump]

is gets hot the play on plasma gun or is there something better

if ideally the rest of the gun is good

[atomic zephyr]

ok i really like the columnus build but damn it cant fix stupid teammates

[fluid steppe]

has exhilerating take down been fixed yet or not

[mystic belfry]

it gets hot is good

[atomic zephyr]

ogryn went down four times in the first five minutes

zealot charged in trying to pick up ogryn and got netted

[mystic belfry]

It be like that

Tbh one of the more sad lessons to learn is that you usually don't rush in for the revive

[atomic zephyr]

yeah that was my mistake

i went in to un-net the zealot and he went down immediately after

[mystic belfry]

ye

[tawdry swan]

no

[fluid steppe]

😦

[mystic belfry]

I'd like to run revive shout on vet, but tbh if the team is half decent the lower cooldown is way more useful

[tawdry swan]

i think they put too much downside on it

[desert hawk]

revive shout feels like a huge trap just like back in vermintide

[tawdry swan]

it was way better in v2

imo

i took it sometimes in v2

in this game nahhhh

[mystic belfry]

Revive shout is okay in vermintide

[desert hawk]

it was too slow and awkward in vermintide

[mortal horizon]

havent tried focus target yet wanna try it. hows this? i have 1 point to play with still

[desert hawk]

it's too slow and awkward now

[tawdry swan]

even with bad teammates its better to just spam the extra healthb for them than to shit all over ur radius and cd for potential insta revive lol

i mean tbh an insta revive is only rlly gonna be that clutch if the person u revive is capable anyways

so yeah you can kinda like go in circles with the logic

[willow badger]

What's your columnus build

[tawdry swan]

its just not worth the downsides at all

[fluid steppe]

a bad teamate that kept dieing will....kept dieing...even if u rez him once lol

[mystic belfry]

These are your choices in v2

I would usually run the cooldown, but revive is solid

It only loaded one image for some reason lmao

The other two are 25% dr for the team for 10 seconds, or 20% cooldown

[umbral scaffold]

VoC build/team support do you think I'll get more bang for my buck with plasma/shredder or las/krak?

[mystic belfry]

I like las pistol and shredder

[tawdry swan]

i feel like the 25% dr for 10 sec is a lot worse than +50 toughness for 15
on high difficulties with good players theres no guarantee in vermintide that anyone is even gonna get hit in those 10 sec, and if u do i feel like the dr doesnt do as much, the toughness sytem is much better
so since the clutch potential and no downsides, i did often take on yer feet mate instead of the small cd boost

[mystic belfry]

Plasma benefits well from mark damage though I believe

[tawdry swan]

butt in this game the on yer feet equivalent is ass

[umbral scaffold]

I'm only concerned about armor/boss damage since I mostly pub and now and then we have no armor solutions

[idle dirge]

Which autogun would be best for a marksman build?

[mystic belfry]

Columnus or however it's spelled

[tame lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

[mortal viper]

good build for leveling ? been going with the vraks autogun so far just not really sure what I should be doing on vet only have really played ogryn used to melee

[tawdry swan]

ruhvoler

[mystic belfry]

Start with this

[umbral scaffold]

Columnus/chainsword tore through levels for me. Also Las 1A/Atrox Tac Axe 7 seemed alright

[robust drum]

YMMV, but having used both a lot I prefer Plasma with frags. Usually when there is someone on the team with krak, I'll have melted whatever enemy they threw at before it even goes off, and now Plasma is useful in horde clearing unto itself

[idle dirge]

There are two but I'll assume you mean the infantry one

[tawdry swan]

chainsword and clawsword felt good to me while leveling with no need for good blessings

and revolver is just epic

[mystic belfry]

Preference, both are good, i prefer to properly ads

[mortal viper]

hmm have not tried revolver yet

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah I've noticed if there is a plasmavet my kraks are pretty much useless because they melt the crusher/bulwark/whatever before the krak detonates.

[mystic belfry]

Revolver is very good

[tawdry swan]

its insane

[mystic belfry]

Definitly take Volley Adept with revolver

[tawdry swan]

also try out plasma gun when u get it, dont need any blessings or even perks to make that good either

and it can shoot thru cover

[mystic belfry]

I need to get one tbh

[umbral scaffold]

Only place they are useful with a plasmavet on the team is dealing with monsters, but even then I only have two nades to their entire magazine of blue sparkle energy.

[tawdry swan]

ive been happy with this

[robust drum]

yeah, that's another thing I was going to say. And obviously you have a finite number of frags (except for w/ Talents) but you have other ways of dealing with hordes

[umbral scaffold]

Is there a dump stat or stats on plasma that I can ignore when gambling with Brunt?

[tawdry swan]

i love kraks but ive overall realized shredderrs more useful and clutch in most of my builds

[delicate estuary]

these pictures kinda dont make sense after the rework of the rework

[mystic belfry]

heat buildup isn't a dump, but like 50 is enough if you need to

[tawdry swan]

only thing that kraks could rlly come more clutch in is if rlllly struggling on monsters for some reason

which usually isnt the problem

and elite packs, even armored ones is kinda debatable

[mystic belfry]

It just depends on your weapons

[tawdry swan]

yes thats true

[umbral scaffold]

thanks vetbro

[robust drum]

yeah I'd say Thermal Resistance is dump-ish, you don't want it too low but better than than compromising: ammo, damage or stopping power (latter apparently matters in damage bc spaghetti code)

[mystic belfry]

Also there's a trick. If you have a group of heavy elites, don't throw your krak at the first one. Aim for one elite a line or two back

Then use your ult to fold them into a pile

[tawdry swan]

i like using krak when i go stealth and like stack the close dmg buffs to destroy monsters for fun
but i havent done that since this patch just a day ago idk they like nerfed close quarters and shit so

[mystic belfry]

i've killed like 10 elites with one krak at times

[mortal viper]

thanks for the tips I used those talents you suggested also

[tawdry swan]

that makes sense

[spark hamlet]

when did plasma guns stop doing hp dmg when vetning

[robust drum]

they still do but only if your toughness is broken, which is hard especially since toughness damage resist also affects venting

[fluid steppe]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9aa1c1d3-3994-4bc4-a5eb-9f601dfc22b4 my plasma build, still don't take any keystone

[robust drum]

It was a few patches ago that they changed it

[spark hamlet]

i like plasma a lot more now then

[tawdry swan]

hey @mystic belfry

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/csgo-bomb-animation-csgo-gif-20898431

[tawdry swan]

do u ever use infiltrate?

[mystic belfry]

Never

[tawdry swan]

ah ok rip

[quick burrow]

Mg1a vs mg4

[mystic belfry]

Why?

[tawdry swan]

i wanna make the most effective infiltrate build i can just for general high level play
and i really dont know wtf to do tbh for talents or for weapons lol

was gonna ask u because u seem to know what ur doing

[mystic belfry]

Backstab knife, revolver

gimme a sec, I can put together a half-decent talent list, but it won't be the best as I haven't messed with it since i started

[tawdry swan]

i was kinda thinking that, wasnt totally sure but what im more unsure about is def talents

i needa get a good knife

[tawdry swan]

thx

[terse idol]

Maybe it was because like, weapon spec with revolver was over performing?

I have nooo ideeaaa

[tawdry swan]

i find infiltrate so annoying especially now bc doing this feels so hard to give up but it just eats points

then i have nothing left toward the bottom

[terse idol]

not taking smoke

🥹

I mean thats valid

[tawdry swan]

tbh i forgot smoke exists i never even considered it hmm

[terse idol]

Survivalist is a talent tax

And smokes is...

[tawdry swan]

ive never touched them

[terse idol]

I mean its an emergency bubble dome, if your psyker already used his

Its kinda neat

[bitter turtle]

The worst thing about infiltrate is that it's on the smoke base side of the tree lmao

[tawdry swan]

i def know that theyre viable i just never even tried them

[terse idol]

I mean, what's better is downright killing the enemy but if you can afford the smokes it's alright

[terse idol]

Smhhh

The biggest issue with smoke imo, is you want to get grenade regen + upgraded smokes

Kinda expensive

[tawdry swan]

maybe i will just stick to using infiltrate on zealot lmao making a build on there makes me way less mad

[terse idol]

Considering how tight vet is already

[torn gorge]

give up on scavenger aura tbf

[terse idol]

Weapon spec is goood

Don't sleep on it

[mystic belfry]

@tawdry swan

[terse idol]

Ahh

Sleeping on weapon spec

oh come on

You even have a revolver

[mystic belfry]

That's an alternative option

[terse idol]

That's daiiir

[tawdry swan]

hmm i guess what i could do is run this kinda thing and just only use this build when i have my friends and tell them to just go mega adclear lol

otherwise it sounds a bit like

idk

krak + revolver + knife

[placid portal]

Or learn how to clean ads with knife

Also knife Atk speed feels so off without trench drill

[mystic belfry]

The reason is that you can kill normal elites and specials easily with knife and revolver. You can easily kill shooters with knife. You can kill armor with krak if there's a ton, knife if you have the time

[tawdry swan]

tbh im prob just thinking of it the wrong way actually

[mystic belfry]

If you're running infilitrate, you shouldn't be doing much horde clear unless there are no high priority targets

[tawdry swan]

its so much single target and so fast that i will still destroy everything in the mixed swarm scenarios so yeah it makes sense actually

[tawdry swan]

yeah this too

[mystic belfry]

You can go invis and get -90% threat for 10 seconds
if you're going to put extra heat on your team, at least make sure it's not gunners and reapers

[torn gorge]

thats very greedy tbf

[mystic belfry]

Clear gunners first, then snipers, then bombers, then shooters, then other elites and specials

[torn gorge]

knoife and revolver and krak

[mystic belfry]

Then hord clear

[tawdry swan]

its made for me

[mystic belfry]

basically, eliminate chip damage against your team as your priority

[torn gorge]

just run axe and do the same but be much better in melee

[mortal horizon]

Redirect fire (one i took) is the most important augment for Focused Target? are the other two worth over other things? (longshot, +25% ammo, grenade tinkerer etc. I have 2 points left in a build)

[torn gorge]

[mystic belfry]

naaaah, if you gonna stealth backline you want knife mobility

heavy attacks for speed, dodge for staying safe

if you go down away from the team you're probably dead

[torn gorge]

you get 10s invis with 25% movespeed bonus

[mystic belfry]

Indeed, until you don't

it also gets you to high value targets asap

[torn gorge]

ye but you have a revolver already

[spark hamlet]

ok plasma feels like darktide on ez mode

[mystic belfry]

if you're going to put more heat on your team, you want to make up for that asap

[urban steppe]

take a middle one too keystone

[mortal horizon]

max stacks is worth?

[mystic belfry]

Target down is hilariously better than the other two nodes

I personally consider target down better than the actual damage of the main keystone node

The other two are middling, I wouldn't waste points on them

7.5% damage with five stacks for 10 seconds, and it won't always be 5% is just... meh.

Extra stacks is kinda okay but just further specializes againt bosses as is unneeded

[urban steppe]

better option i think

[umbral scaffold]

what blessings and perks are wanted on the shovel

[mystic belfry]

Toughness as stam on the other and, makes your entire party way trankier

[fathom edge]

how can i fix this? passively i have as much range damage as i can through tree. with a crit i one shot crushers though.

[mystic belfry]

Do you have max blaze away stacks

[mortal horizon]

oh, the toughness one really? ignore the ones that add damage? this is what i have so far workoing on a plasma build. I have 2 points left. I could take grenade tinkerer. I could take longshot + always prepared (25% ammo), more augments etc