veteran-class

[crude wind]

So it's good

[terse idol]

I then ask, why not just get a dclaw

And parry

[serene sage]

I'm dying of anticipation

[terse idol]

Shovel on block can't compete with parry

[crude wind]

Less mobility and stagger

[tall torrent]

dclaw doesn't have as good dodges

[sharp epoch]

It's kinda like smite where you can keep them staggered, but they're just gonna keep piling up until your overwhelmed in a malestrom

[crisp bronze]

Basically for shovel, spam heavies for hordes and use lights for single targets. There is a youtuber I watch named chocoB and they have started using the shovel. They are the reason I want to start looking for a good one.

[crude wind]

I love dclaw

[elder vessel]

Vet Shovel = Frying Pan

Ogryn Shovel = The Whole Damn Stove

[terse idol]

Hmmmm

[tall torrent]

shovel gets almost knife lvl dodges with 5 dodge limit

[cold mason]

How are each of the weapon types doing right now compared to earlier patches?

[crude wind]

But shovel does stuff different

You fucking move with that shit

Loads of block and stam

[tall torrent]

and shovel and quick stagger any target on demand

[crude wind]

Saves lives man

[terse idol]

I keep my mind open

[tall torrent]

it can perma stagger crushers and any melee elite with special

[crude wind]

Yeah

Mega safe weapon

I've been converted

Now it can kill poxwalkers and muties

Huzzah

[serene sage]

ChocoB is a good player but damn sometimes I feel like they just click random load out and go

[frank ether]

shovel gud

[tall torrent]

it's just that
without high lvl uncanny strike
shovel's dmg against armored targets kinda suck

[elder vessel]

Knife/Shotgun Vet is the most fun I've had with him lately

[frank ether]

my only issue with shovel is decimator honestly

[languid scarab]

All vet weapons but shovel are complete trash though, because none of them sound like the shovel. They’re unusable.

[crude wind]

Uncanny definitely warping shovel

[frank ether]

if deci reduced stacks instead of resetting entirely on missing shovel would be the god tier turn your brain off weapon

[tall torrent]

the emperor demanded the heretics be bonked

[crude wind]

But it ain't going anywhere so HOLLA

Skull breaker surprisingly good on it

I was surprised

Not decimator good but a good runner up

[frank ether]

I prefer it to deci personally.

[tall torrent]

I have a near perfect roll on shovel but I don't have uncanny strike more than lv1 unlocked for it

[frank ether]

because I find it more reliable

[crude wind]

It feels more reliable

Yeah

Nice

[kind scarab]

The attack speed boost for melee this update made Shovel much more tolerable in horde clear for me

But I still don't like using it much

[languid scarab]

My orders come STRAIGHT FROM THE TOP

[frank ether]

It took me an absurd amount of plasteel but I got the shovel I wanted in the end

[tall torrent]

u have to consecrate shovels

[kind scarab]

This is probably as close as I'll get to a perfect shovel

And I don't care to try for a better one

[frank ether]

also maybe its just me but I find middle tree better for helbore than left tree now

for multiple reasons

[sharp epoch]

60% penetration, scrap it and get a new one

[sharp epoch]

also left tree is just really unviable for a lot of guns, only like columnus can maybe make it work but that gun is busted for every build and class

[half wigeon]

keeper homies ?

[frank ether]

left tree has really bad melee overall compared to the other two and just generally weak

[crisp bronze]

The shovel doesn't seem like the best option if you are going Commando Vet. But I imagine its defensive qualities shine in a Squad Leader build and especially for the Marksmen Vet.

[frank ether]

ET and frag bugs are partially responsible

but the keystone demands too much upkeep for a playstyle thats already the squishier, most positioning heavy vet tree

[kind scarab]

Nah, it has rending. Pentration is useless

[sour elbow]

found a tghing.

[serene sage]

Is frag bug confirmed? I'm using tinkered frag and that thing does damage still?

[frank ether]

It does bleed damage

not explosion damage

frags arent just a bleed stick

they're supposed to blow shit up

[hearty panther]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392404491883773953/1126904613702991872/image.png

Correct

[frank ether]

I guess I'll have to post it on forums

for it to be acknowledged

[sharp epoch]

extra rending gives damage 🤓

[frank ether]

so I dont have to keep posting the same gif to prove its bugged

[vagrant narwhal]

does deadshot only apply if you have stamina?

[hearty panther]

Yes

[copper pine]

Yes

[serene sage]

It seems to do initial damage with Tinkered
Im not sure if that's the +25% or the whole thing

[copper pine]

Which is why some people run a stamina curio if they use deadshot

[brisk sapphire]

Does Cadian or professional say: rally formation, right fragging now

[sour elbow]

this any good? The blessing, specifically.

[hearty panther]

Professional

[copper pine]

Professional

[brisk sapphire]

Thought so, ty

[sharp epoch]

It's ok, lasgun dont really have essential blessings

[brisk sapphire]

Bout to make a seventh operative lol

[sour elbow]

ah, groovy. I assume I want weakpoint orientated stuff? I only have ammo efficiency for the tier 4 blessings atm.

[sharp epoch]

Headhunter would be good paired with that infernus or deadly accurate too

[copper pine]

Deadly accurate and headhunter

[sour elbow]

ghost isn't really worth it ,I assume

[kind scarab]

On guns with a high enough of a firerate, it can be useful

Esp for the missions with over 2 dozen gunners shooting at you

[frank ether]

may have been hotfixed, I haven't tried post the hotfix today

[kind scarab]

[frank ether]

but here is what I recorded:
https://streamable.com/e3f78u

[sharp epoch]

Frag can't kill groaners wtf

[fallow compass]

There is a level 4 version of that blessing too. So keep an eye out for it

[polar breach]

This message approved by the Krak Superiority Gang

[placid solstice]

Stealth frag nerf.. trying to get us to use smoke grenades huh

[sharp epoch]

im running smokes atp just to get the 10% melee node and swap damage talent

[candid bridge]

Yep, crit chance for flak or maniac

[serene sage]

Is that ... normal?

[misty delta]

big brain move: save skill points by ignoring nades entirely and pretending that you dont have them

[rapid vigil]

Bring nades as primary weapon.

[misty delta]

dual shovels when fatshark pls

[kind scarab]

That's how I've setup a few of my builds tbh

[sharp ember]

the grenadier keystone is the best keystone and always will be

[misty delta]

so this is what it’s come to…

[pastel topaz]

Don't bring nades bring spades

[mellow adder]

For my Vet build, I play a revolver sniper and was wondering if using Marksman keystone focus was not worth it since you move around a lot during missions?

[sharp ember]

why dig a hole when you can fire in the hole

[drifting moon]

I think it is

[frank ether]

is it? I dont recall frags failing to kill poxwalkers point blank

[sharp ember]

it's not worth on revolver, you 1shot basically everything already, it's better suited to infantry lasguns and autoguns

[mellow adder]

Ah ty! I was wondering lol, Standing still in an Auric mission is basically an instant death

[floral sun]

that looks like unupgraded shredder

[jaunty sphinx]

grab from melk or nah

[south garnet]

since shovel heavies got a nice fat boost and is actually worth using now I think Thrust is better on it than skullcrusher, in tandem with decimate

who in here is gonna tell me I'm wrong?

[little pagoda]

pls let us dig holes to hide from scary gunner packs

[frank ether]

how am I gonna get an unupgraded shredder on a build with infiltrate and a keystone

its not even possible

[little pagoda]

i like uncanny and decimator

[floral sun]

it doesnt have blast radius, so it's not using grenade tinker perk i think

[serene sage]

Your wrong

[dusty ferry]

What are the blessings you would want on the agripinaa slug shotty

[south garnet]

I don't really 'get' uncanny on shovel tbh

[sharp ember]

with the right dedicated setup it isn't hard to build up, a mindset needs to be developed that you don't have to sustain max stacks as long as possible, do what you gotta do

[kind scarab]

Behold, my new least favourite thing to do in the game.

[south garnet]

I haven't used uncanny on shovel extensively but I can't imagine whipping it out for crushers with any more fervor than I would without it - that's generally what krak/pistol/plasma/etc. is for

[kind scarab]

But I'm still gonna do it anyway. At least for a while.

[south garnet]

Maybe it makes hitting flak people feel better? idk

hitting maulers in their hot barely covered 6 pack

s

[kind scarab]

Shotgun being useful

Reliably useful

Works from up to 20m away, sometimes further

[misty delta]

always has provided you threw enough lead downrange

[scenic bronze]

That reload

[languid scarab]

Yeah I found this a lot of fun too. I haven't tried it w/o exec stance yet.

[kind scarab]

Not the worlds fastest reload, but definitely faster than a revolver that's for sure

[upper jackal]

I've made an interesting build I want to share, I haven't coined a name for it yet but it encompasses a range of play styles that is fun, highly mobile, engaging, situational and most importantly, team compatible. (Basically a swiss army knife of a build) It focuses on:

Elite kills
Ogryn kills
Specialist kills
Bleed stack
Horde clearing
Close ranged combat
Long ranged combat
Precision shots
(Helpful against Monstrosities and Bosses)

Primary Weapon: Catachan Mk IV "Devil's Claw" Sword

I lucked out with mine by getting everything but high damage, for this weapon is mostly used to deal with hordes and apply rapid bleed stacks on targets. I doubled down with the level IV blessings for additional wide swings and crowd clearing. Heavy swings are great for dealing with Mutants. (Be careful with Ragers.)

Secondary Weapon: Kantrael MG XII Infantry Lasgun

Ideally with high stability, high damage and high stopping power. The lasgun is used to deal with snipers, gunners, reapers, shotgunners, flamers, trappers and bombers mostly by swapping to it when necessary. In my case, I have level a IV Infernus blessing on it so I also use it against Maulers and Crushers to add additional fire damage. It is all supported by the talent build by removing suppression for pinpoint accuracy and sway reduction.

Curios: To your own liking

But I suggest +x% toughness and +x% toughness regeneration, the build relies on fast paced killing to regain toughness through mostly melee combat.

---

Important Notes:

Whilst this is a stealth focused build, the stealth mechanic is mostly used in dire situations. Such as closing the gap between enemies, rushing to aid downed allies, rushing to interact with a mission objective, or escaping from certain death. It is rarely used for flanking, as you want to keep a coherency with your team with the Fire Team aura. Hence no additional ability modifiers to the ability Infiltrate itself.

Much like how the weapons are designed for this build, so are the Krak grenades. We all know how to use them, always on carapace and flak armour, never soft targets.

Agile Engagement, Skirmisher, Weapon Specialist all come in to play. Don't be afraid of swapping between the two, because the two passives and Keystone all support each other.

sorry for the massive post

[kind scarab]

For a stealth build, there's a ton of nodes on that I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole

[upper jackal]

you can read the last part i wrote

[kind scarab]

Already did

[upper jackal]

so you understand then it's not an actual stealth build lmao

[kind scarab]

It's still using stealth as a get out of jail card

And you sacrificed the ult for it.

So it's a stealth build.

[upper jackal]

ults are lame

[languid scarab]

Stealth is good for rescues, objectives, and get out of jail

[spark helm]

Messed up part is that stealth veteran feels like support ranger veteran. It's crazy how much more effective it can be though before considering the orevious system that allowed for it.

[untold mulch]

I got some nice clutches popping infil

Problem is that if allies are nearby be very careful about aggro switch

[kind scarab]

Did you see the latest version of the shotgun nonsense I posted a video of above?

I am finally happy with how it works. (minus having to ping enemies so fucking much)

[spark helm]

i was just about to hit you up over it. What'd you come up with?

[languid scarab]

Yeah stealth's biggest value is in team support - it can be very strong situationally.

[polar breach]

Aggro switch is why I'm not a fan. Shout works fine enough to let me do some silly shit

[spark helm]

i legit will copy it lmao

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174834481761370183/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.17_-_00.11.00.07.mp4

Literally just this

It works

But I hate how much ya gotta ping

Is it necessary?

Not most of the time if you have ex stance up and line up a special slug every 5 seconds

But once you have your stacks up, it's just left click central

[polar breach]

I'd like to see the ping keystone have an upgrade like "killing a tagged enemy automatically tags a nearby enemy, with stacks from the initial tag"

[spark helm]

I was saying earlier yesterday how the steatlh support playstyle ha problems really standing out on its own with substantial firepower because that's like the onky thing keeping it together. You have a build that's tailored to salvage bad situations. You'd be surprised how "useless" you become when your team and you aren' making the right kind of missplays to warrant your amazing clutch potential lol

[kind scarab]

I wish

[vagrant narwhal]

does the helbore not work correctly with weapons specialist? seem to get no stacks regardless of what I do

[kind scarab]

But Vets can't have nice things

[spark helm]

Happens a lot for me when I play with some friends.

[kind scarab]

Are you using ex stance?

[spark helm]

What's the talent setup.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

This!

[languid scarab]

Yeah I've used it quite a lot. Pubbing it's obviously often valuable, but I also can go lonnnnng stretches where I realize.... yeah I havent ulted for quite awhile.

[kind scarab]

If you're using Ex stance, it breaks Weapon Specialist. You need to pull your weapon out first then trigger ex stance. Or else weapon specialist breaks.

[lyric rain]

whats strong to use now , just comin back to the game

[vagrant narwhal]

no

[kind scarab]

Most things, if you're happy being a glass cannon

[vagrant narwhal]

was using infiltrate to try it

[lyric rain]

exactly what I was looking for

[upper jackal]

i just posted a build i love using

it's a fun build

[vagrant narwhal]

but neither getting bayonet kills nor normal shooting kills would actually do anything

[prime kestrel]

just completed an auric maelstrom w this, the spotting keystone is pretty pog

[sleek cairn]

Hows shotguns without exec stance

[spark helm]

ngl I'm grateful for the right side keystones cuz uh...only thing keeping my vet support builds afloat was like just strong guns and my own gameplay of staying alive. So many egagements would be better if I ws running something different because there'd betimes where I'm close to falling behind

[lyric rain]

whats the strongest, is there one right now?

[spark helm]

And I'm not a zealot, I'm not about to be liberally using stealth like that

[kind scarab]

Welcome to being the most supportive vet you can be this patch

[spark helm]

Granted, the timing is tigght but cqc shooter stealth shit is fun but you gotta watch it fr

[kind scarab]

With a shotgun

[spark helm]

yeah...this one.

Yep all this makes sense without me thinking too heavily on it

[serene sage]

I think it's a cool build but not a lot of toughness, toughness regen, or TDR. That wall of gunners which can be a cake walk for some builds might pose a challenge for this build?
How do you fare against that pack of 20 gunners in every Auric missions? I'll give this a try later.

[spark helm]

With how you play is shotty the bedrock of your dmg?

[kind scarab]

It works with the HS keystone on the left side as well. But you gotta be good at maintaining your stacks.

[upper jackal]

Mine is heavily melee focused, a lot of bleed, a lot of horde clearing, not a lot of immediate high damage output againt Monstrosities but mostly focused against everything else you'll face

[kind scarab]

Pretty much. If it's not a poxwalker. It gets shotgun to the face.

[upper jackal]

your ranged weapon is more of a backup to deal with ranged targets that way

[kind scarab]

That's how all my builds work. I ain't the melee kinda guy.

[upper jackal]

situational more than a necessity

[dusty ferry]

Be gunlugging ogryn

[prime kestrel]

???? ayo

[kind scarab]

Typo

[prime kestrel]

sure it was 😳

[sleek cairn]

its okay, us melee vets are represented

dont feel bad

[spark helm]

For me, I usually make it so that at the very least my melee is consistent in most situations since that's just good to have.

But I prefer the gunplay most times.

[obsidian gust]

What shotgun works best with vet?

[kind scarab]

If I want consistent melee, I just use my Devil Claw or my Power Sword

[spark helm]

Mm

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174834481761370183/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.17_-_00.11.00.07.mp4

[vagrant narwhal]

melee vet fun :)

[kind scarab]

In this video I use the Agri shotgun

[spark helm]

Chainaxe not too bad on middle tree. Just sometimes too commital in higher elite densities.

[kind scarab]

It has the tightest spread, and largest ammo pool of all the ones I got

[scenic bronze]

What Blessings perks you runnin on it

[obsidian gust]

thankyou any blessings in particular?

[sleek cairn]

aha melee vet is probably the most comfy

[spark helm]

And you going for slug claps on ranged goons.

[spark helm]

By the looks of the build.

[sleek cairn]

its by nature of the tree, melee vet doesnt have to think much about pathing

[kind scarab]

I only go slugs on armored mfers

Everyone else just gets a regular shot to the face

[spark helm]

Oh I misunderstood. Does that shotty use slug on special button or something ? Thats the one with the incendiary round right?

[kind scarab]

This is the slug version

[spark helm]

Oh okay

[viscid marlin]

I'd like to see it work properly since they ripped it off of saltzpyre and work for any ally ping.

[kind scarab]

Helps for when you want to proc full bore

Without having to shove the whole shotgun down someones throat

[candid tundra]

is the agri or graia infantry auto any good or is the columnus still better?

[spark helm]

Mhm fair enough

[kind scarab]

Colum

[candid tundra]

aight I'll stick with the columnus

[viscid marlin]

why the colum specifically?

oh read that wrong

i thought we were talking about br

[kind scarab]

I love the range at which this shotgun is working tbh.

[craggy girder]

did vet get nerfed again in the hotfix

[unkempt zodiac]

what range is this? 8m?

never got any of the shotguns to perform

[misty delta]

:wheeze:

[kind scarab]

Much more with my current build

[kind scarab]

Those were all the nerf's that came out with the tree rework. They were just unlisted.

[unkempt zodiac]

and what build is that ?

[hearty panther]

The hotfix didn't do anything. It was just to push info that they didn't put in the original notes.

[kind scarab]

Gimme a sec to make a range vid for ya

[unkempt zodiac]

thanks

[misty delta]

Oh that’s funny. I’m tired of coop shooter devs not explaining wtf is going on behind the scenes. Nice to know that nothing’s changed tho

[astral blade]

This ain’t wrong just saying ^

[kind scarab]

Bout 20m is still an easy distance to oneshot from

[unkempt zodiac]

i have been trying a few builds but only got two working: middle part +catachan mk1 with mk8 autogun and meele build with axtrox mk2 and accatran mg

[ionic hull]

has anyone else noticed that Weapon Specialist doesnt go off if you use Volley Fire?

[kind scarab]

Yes, you need to manually change weapons before triggering it

[ionic hull]

thats gross

[kind scarab]

And in case you weren't aware

You only get 1 ranged crit, for the first melee kill you get

The other stacks are only for tracking subnode stacks, or the attack rate buff.

[wispy sorrel]

Veteran was the last class I played, because I'm not all that good a shot so I thought I'd suck at it. then I discovered the plasma gun. Now with them consistantly nerfing them I think I'm just going to go back to maining Ogryn tbh.

[ionic hull]

i start off as vet on launch and it feels so bad to play now

[serene sage]

Another one has fallen

[kind scarab]

Many must fall, for the imperium of man to stand

[ionic hull]

Duty Before Dishonour

[hearty panther]

Frankly I'm happy that launch Vet is six feet under. I'll be happier when they add another six feet by deleting Survivalist.

[misty delta]

truly a guardsman moment

[unkempt zodiac]

whats your build? this seems to be somewhat weak

[kind scarab]

Somewhat weak?

My guy, it's a shotgun

Ofc they're weak

[unkempt zodiac]

haha

[kind scarab]

The fact they're oneshotting anything at that range is a miracle

[unkempt zodiac]

thought as much 😄

[kind scarab]

But the fact is that now it's possible

[unkempt zodiac]

but it seems focus target is the only workable keystone

[kind scarab]

So I don't have to keep the shotguns mounted on a rack looking pretty

[sleek cairn]

honestly i want them to delete survivalist too

[kind scarab]

Nah, you can use left capstone for it too

I just don't feel like it

[hearty panther]

It's sincerely necessary for the health of the game.

[wispy sorrel]

So what you're saying is now Darktide shotgun is as bad as shotguns on every other fps? 😛 well that's hardly an achivement given how badly most games simulate shotguns

[unkempt zodiac]

i have tried using the kantrael mk9 shotgun - that was a disappointment

[wispy sorrel]

(They seem to simulate a sawn off with about 2 inches of barrel firing a shell full of gravel)

[vagrant narwhal]

bruh, was hoping weapons master would let me use bayonet and helbore more effectively in all situations

nuh uh

would have been nice XD

[unkempt zodiac]

i feel like the left keystone is kinda pointless

[kind scarab]

No, I'm saying shotguns always needed 4+ rounds to kill a single enemy. And now, by the miracle of bullshit, they can actually kill most things in one shot.

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/math-correct-martian-jeff-daniels-gif-5550656

[nimble sentinel]

why must I dislike the power sword so much yet need a melee weapon that does reliable carapace damage

[kind scarab]

You just gotta make sacrifices

[unkempt zodiac]

you mean sometimes kill in one shot at 20m?

[serene bough]

scattershot + kantrael mk9 shotgun

[unkempt zodiac]

use krak granates - this is what i do

[serene bough]

you'll just always have 60% crit up if you shoot at multiple targets

[mystic belfry]

Rending knife

[nimble sentinel]

only 2 kraks tho

[wispy sorrel]

Have you tried just using plasma for carapace?

[fleet garden]

helbore3+w/e melee

[kind scarab]

You need to remember. This is still a shotgun we're talking about. The shotgun will also be killing any enemies around it during a real mission cause of pellet spread

[fleet garden]

or plasma+w/e melee

[misty delta]

just play zealot

[unkempt zodiac]

take the 60 sec reg + demolition team and you can throw up to 4 on arelic more often than not

[nimble sentinel]

yes, got a baller plasma build, but I wanna run my lasgun

[fleet garden]

^

[unkempt zodiac]

with 10 crusher running at you - not like you want to be in meele anyway

[whole moon]

There's only like two carapace basic enemies. For maulers aim for body w Pswords, for crusher use block stab at head

[fleet garden]

I use mg12 with a good rolled chainsword, powersword and currently rolling a knife

[nimble sentinel]

recon squad drip just might tempt me

[nimble sentinel]

doing my best but hadron's giving me enough bricks to make Rogal Dorn jealous of my fortress

[whole moon]

CSword an Psword and two big faves of mine

[misty delta]

I’ve been enjoying d.claw and shovel personally

[fleet garden]

dont have powercycle 4 but it works ok, chainsword has really good rolls so its just knife to roll know

[wispy sorrel]

good rending/brittleness blessing can make most weapons viable against carapace

[fleet garden]

shovel is a meme tbh

[misty delta]

mainly because my m1 can’t be held down but thats neither here nor there

[sleek cairn]

whaat

[whole moon]

I've got a decent DClaw but I need to practice w it. Love the shovel on my Ogryn but ain't built one on vet yet

[nimble sentinel]

shovel is real good at keeping a whole horde off your dick and the thwack is fun

[hollow ibex]

???

[sleek cairn]

im tuning out; nobody insults the shovel like that

u guys have at it

[fleet garden]

compared to a good rolled power sword yes its a meme

[nimble sentinel]

but crushers gotta die and I don't wanna take a helbore

[misty delta]

*tunk*

[wispy sorrel]

Plus Krieg cosplay required!

[unkempt zodiac]

yeah shovel is my go to if need to hold of/kill a hord alone

[brisk sapphire]

It ain't meta but it's serviceable and satisfying

[hollow ibex]

It’s pretty good I’d say

[ionic hull]

Slimy yet satisfying

[fleet garden]

like it feels ok but imo it needs a small tweak

[wispy sorrel]

That's Armageddon Steel legion

[nimble sentinel]

Yes.

[fleet garden]

a 1000% dmg inc will make it ok

[whole moon]

There's something deeply fitting about using a shovel to keep the hordes at bay in Darktide. To me it feels like how the entire game should feel

[vagrant narwhal]

you mean you don't solo bosses with shovels?? :)

[ionic hull]

ok is it bad that i dont wanna pick up a keystone and just use what i was using before?

[unkempt zodiac]

btw: if you want to kill a crusher in meele - take chain sword and take it down keystone and you can two shot them

[nimble sentinel]

Ork murder from a tank > suicidal ideation in a trench

[unkempt zodiac]

+25% carapace dmg

[fleet garden]

nah, keystones are such a shit way to "fix" vet, I dont know what fatshart were thinking here

[misty delta]

plenty of builds do that. If it works, aint nothing wrong with it

[unkempt zodiac]

but i realy see no point in going in meele with the guys, couse most of the time you have to face 3-5 at the same time

[wispy sorrel]

The one thing that annoys me is none of the voices for Vet sound right for a Krieg guardsman, we need someone that sounds like the German Psyker, but less maniacal! 😄

[fleet garden]

its either me crabwalking everywhere or no keystones

[nimble sentinel]

this is a back-up for when I'm out of free krak, this chainsword will do the trick after a trip to hadron's brick factory?

[orchid cloak]

stealth colum 5 still works quite well i dont use any keystones with mine

[turbid frigate]

Hey if I take the blessing off a weapon on one character will all my characters have that blessing too as ling as they can would that weapon?

[nimble sentinel]

don't have the time tonight to work on a whole new chainsword

[wispy sorrel]

if they can use the same weapon, yeah

[unkempt zodiac]

thats my and it kill them in two reved up hits. the weapon is not even goot for that

and infested to one shot them, once i have to go in meele

[nimble sentinel]

thanks famalam

[kind scarab]

That's cause Colum is busted

You can technically go without anything on your tree and it'll still slap

[wispy sorrel]

One issue ogryn gets, their entire loadout is unique, so they can't share unlocked blessings for anything

[orchid cloak]

idk about busted but its good

[misty delta]

if patch 13 was so good, where’s patch 13 2

[kind scarab]

Definitely busted

It can currently output more damage than Recon lasgun was doing right before it got nerf'd to the ground

[fleet garden]

which wep

[wispy sorrel]

How are the braced autoguns these days? I used to like those, but now infantry AG seems to be the meta?

[kind scarab]

Colum IAG

[fleet garden]

🫠

[misty delta]

dayum I knew it was good but I didn’t know it was pre-nerf recon good

[unkempt zodiac]

Colum? weapon you mean right side @kind scarab

[kind scarab]

No, Colum Infantry Auto Gun

[sharp epoch]

columbus infantry auto

[kind scarab]

This bastard

[fleet garden]

ima check shop whilst I queue for shuffle in wow

if melk is selling anything

[unkempt zodiac]

AG are way better than las weapons for me. you ckick it shoots 51 bullet and you kill stuff

[misty delta]

laspistol and maybe hellbore are the only 2 lasguns I see myself using rn

[wispy sorrel]

Recon las with Infernus can still be pretty fun, but yeah baseline the Autoguns do seem better

[fleet garden]

recon got destroyed

it went from op to poopoo

[unkempt zodiac]

i dont like the aim downsite of the weapon

[kind scarab]

Just don't aim down sights

[misty delta]

then dont ADS simple as

[candid bridge]

That’s patch 15

[kind scarab]

It has so much damage, you don't have to

[wispy sorrel]

Not what I was asking, was asking if Braced autos were any good or if it's all about the columnus infantry ag now?

[fleet garden]

long loading screens are back?

[candid bridge]

Braced fuck

[kind scarab]

They're usable, but they're effectively just a worse version of the IAG's

[jade night]

BONK

[wispy sorrel]

cos I still got a nice Braced Agri mk8 I was working up but now not sure if I shoudl just scrap it and get a Columnus V

[unkempt zodiac]

have been using this one but i guess i will try colum

[wispy sorrel]

Gria, sorry, got name wrong

[kind scarab]

Gimme a sec, I'll record a snip of using the colum with a stupid build

[misty delta]

any reason why you took fire frenzy over dumdum?

[wispy sorrel]

oh wait that's an IAG, never mind

[unkempt zodiac]

oh - i find them pointless. how to kill 6 snipers at 60m? you cant let your randoms do it. they dont kill shit

[dark kayak]

So I built a medic veteran and it SEEMED to work well but without seeing the healing values it's hard to tell.

[wispy sorrel]

Shame, I usued to love rocking the old space AK, when I was feeling the need for a break from plasma at least 😄

[kind scarab]

That's all I have in my blessing pool rn, and didn't feel like spending the plasteel on a gun that already does too much damage

[wispy sorrel]

Ok, I guess it's off to brunt see if I can get a usable Columnus V

[misty delta]

ykw I’m willing to accept that lmaooo

[fleet garden]

so a columnus mk V infantry?

[kind scarab]

Yeap

You don't even gotta aim the bastard

Just spray and pray

[unkempt zodiac]

medic? what you take the healthpac perk and thats it? or what did i miss?

[kind scarab]

But if you land headshots, with the right build. Enemies die quicker than you can justify

[fleet garden]

but I like my snipe playstyle with mg12

[kind scarab]

This gun is stupidly ammo efficient, ngl

[vivid current]

I personally prefer the bleed stacks, 13 is crazy.

[misty delta]

I thought I found gold when I used graia iag but then everyone started posting about columnus. I still love my graia tho

[sharp ember]

my renegade opinion is that brauto with 1 suppression node is great for interrupting shooters and aggressive pushing

of course, don't shoot to suppress, shoot to kill

[unkempt zodiac]

what is that insanity?

[kind scarab]

That's the colum

It's too strong

[fleet garden]

might try a columnus but will still probably do my mg12 with knife

[kind scarab]

Great ammo economy, you ain't gotta aim it

Things die too quickly

It needs to be nerf'd

[unkempt zodiac]

what ammo economy? 3 bullets to kill ragers

[sharp ember]

but my brauto basically glues heavy gunners and reapers to their feet in a cone area

[fleet garden]

fatshart needs to bring up the other models of the kantrael lasguns

[sick marsh]

just got a redeemed devil claw from melk at 398 score. is that good for a redeemed score one? Damage is 80, Cleave Damage is 80, Finesse is 80, Mobility 59 and cleave targets 79.

[unkempt zodiac]

you get more ammo from killing it

[fleet garden]

like why is the I or IV over XII?

[kind scarab]

Just post a screenshot of it

[sick marsh]

taking and cropping screenshots is a pain and takes time... FINE

[fleet garden]

take a ss

[vivid current]

na, ammo is limited and what difficulty you play is a big factor. To get a gun like that, you need to have already have Vet maxed out at the very least and be VERY lucky.

[unkempt zodiac]

brb gonna build me a colum - i hope 160k credits are enough to get something of value <.<

[orchid cloak]

windows shift S

[fleet garden]

just drop it it from paint or steam, dont have to crop it

[unkempt zodiac]

arent we talking about aurelic?

[kind scarab]

What Moo said

[unkempt zodiac]

any point to talk about anything else?

[kind scarab]

Literally ezpz as long as you ain't running a PC with something older than windows 10

[sick marsh]

never knew that...

me stuoopid

[kind scarab]

You ain't stupid

You just one of todays lucky 8000

[orchid cloak]

😛 aint exactly like win comes with a tutorial for all the neat keybinds

[sick marsh]

so... is it alright?

[kind scarab]

lucky 1000*

[kind scarab]

That's perfect almost

[sick marsh]

fuck. so it's good?

[kind scarab]

Slam that bitch with plasteel and see what you get

[dark kayak]

Lol no, so all the grenade perks, plus shredder grenade. There's a perk that heals tough per kill. Then the perk that you heal everyone 15% of what you heal your self. Covering fire perk heals someone close to where you weak spot killed. Then the perk that you heal everyone 10% just fir being near. There is more but at work so I don't have it all in front of me.

[kind scarab]

Yeap

[sick marsh]

WOOOH. what's the devil claw good with?

[fleet garden]

dueling

[kind scarab]

Most weapons

It's practically a perfect all-rounder type weapon

And you lucked out with getting the best version of it

[sick marsh]

okey. I'll give it a go later. what blessings should I use on it?

[kind scarab]

At least one for damage, and one for cleave.

[unkempt zodiac]

ah - i got your idea. but i kinda take it all the time, couse no other way to spend points unless i go for meele

[kind scarab]

I would suggest rampage + Wrath/savage sweep

[unkempt zodiac]

oh well - i got a nice colum. now i need to get the plastil :/

[sick marsh]

ok so it gave me skullcrusher 3 for the first one.

[kind scarab]

What about your second perk?

If you hit flak, you're in the clear

[sick marsh]

don't have enough for that yet.

will keep posted.

[kind scarab]

I'm just giving him future-proof advice. Cause I anticipate them fixing it in the future, and I don't want his practically perfect Claw being turned to trash in the process

[lyric rain]

whats a good god roll for columnus

[kind scarab]

[sick marsh]

same as most others. you want all stats high appart from mobility.

[kind scarab]

Oh most definitely

[sick marsh]

base stats from about 370 to 380 is best

[kind scarab]

That's why I asked what the second perk was

We'll have to wait for him to get more plasteel tho

[lyric rain]

what about perks and blessings?

[sick marsh]

eh... don't know for that.

[sick marsh]

maybe dumdum?

[lyric rain]

ty sir

[sick marsh]

ah yeah that.

[kind scarab]

Replace Fire with dumdum if you can

I just didn't have that one in my library at a high enough level, and it does enough damage that I don't care to use the other one rn

[sick marsh]

I rolled dumdum 3 on a scout lasgun from melk yesterday.

[kind scarab]

I like my mobility on my weapons with already high dodge range / MS buffs on the mobility

ala knoife

Being just ever so faster helps with avoiding the damn magnetic enemies if I need to mad-dash to some idiots who got downed.

[lyric rain]

what melee weapon do u run with

[misty surge]

average krak experience after patch 15:
https://streamable.com/cbl0uk

[kind scarab]

On most of my builds, either an MK4 Devil claw, a MK3 Power Sword or more recently shovel/Combat Axe

[unkempt zodiac]

wait the krak didnt trigger?

[kind scarab]

It's a known bug

[unkempt zodiac]

is this new? i was woundering why kraks wouldnt kill anything

[misty surge]

they wrote in p15 patch notes they fixed this rare bug, a bug i had never once had happened

[lyric rain]

any specific perks and blessings to look out for?

[kind scarab]

It can happen sometimes iwth any of the grenades this patch

[misty surge]

now it happens 50% of the time

[dark kayak]

Yeah just hard to tell if the build works good or not?

[kind scarab]

For Devil claw go Rampage+Wrath/Savage Sweep

For PS go Power Cycler + Brutal Momentum/Slaughterer/Rampage

[unkempt zodiac]

i think so - at least better than the sniper keystone left and the strange one right. i get through aurelic way easier with it and dont have to clatch us much

btw: what is close range for darktide? for dumdum? 8m?

[quasi dust]

yes, 8m

[deep fable]

weapons with ratings of 360 or above usually get a t4 blessing upon consecration to orange. at least it seems that way.
at level 30 the average item level in the shop seems to be 330-340.
does that match the observation of others?

[sick marsh]

any skins for the catachan devils claw out there?

[dark kayak]

Lol my build doesn't use the keystones

[unkempt zodiac]

but why use dumdum? if sustained fire is good enough

[deep fable]

neither does mine

[unkempt zodiac]

why? this gives you somewhere between 25% - 40% toughness?

you deal more damage, heal poeple - best support thing that we have right now

[bronze trout]

Annoying AF to have to keep marking everything

[deep fable]

dome

[wise quest]

vets when they have to press a button

[unkempt zodiac]

i mark everything, all the time - helps with aim

[misty surge]

if youre that lazy you can bind your ping to left click lol

[unkempt zodiac]

i dont need a perk for it

[willow badger]

somehow i've been doing better since the update

so i guess i like it

[unkempt zodiac]

covering fire is weaker than take down

[topaz lance]

Is this thing as cracked as that reddit post made it out to be with the left keystone?

[bronze trout]

I mark things alot, it's on my side button but unless I rebind it to my shoot or aim button, I'm going to have to be mashing it the entire time

[dark kayak]

Something I'm exsperimenting with really. I like to try diffrent builds see what I can make work..... plus I suck at reacting to highliting things.

[unkempt zodiac]

yeah - there is a video from doc, you can watch it. stupid thing

[wise quest]

mashing it reduces its effectiveness

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174845547450994789/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.17_-_00.55.20.13.mp4

You tell me

There's a vid of me using it

Without aiming

[unkempt zodiac]

you dont have to kill it. someone does. you should be marking all the time anyway

[cloud leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/mid-ronald-mcdonald-gif-24371832

[kind scarab]

Now imagine what'd that mfer do when you actually ads and land headshots

[topaz lance]

Damn! That rager melted. Whats the build for this?

[dark kayak]

I understand. As I said my reaction time is a little slow on marking.

[kind scarab]

Honestly? You don't need a build with this gun.

Just make sure you grab onslaught, and everything dies.

[dusty ferry]

He is right
I died

[kind scarab]

Grab whatever on the tree makes you happy, and as long as you grab onslaught, they all dead.

[dusty ferry]

Because of skill issue :3

[unkempt zodiac]

as long as you mark a little and every 10 sec, it should regen more thoughness overall. since the other one needs 5m radius and you have to kill things and take down is for the team in cohession

[misty surge]

tbh columnus mk v kills mostly everything without that finesse multiplier anyway

[kind scarab]

Exactly

[misty surge]

id rather just pick up invis and then go down mid and take the tag + tough on tag

[kind scarab]

You only grab the finesse for boss damage to be completely honest

[misty surge]

than go to the left and end up with a bit more damage but way less flexibility and survivability

also nice to have free revives for teammates when they inevitably go down a hundred times

[kind scarab]

If you playing vet like i usually play vet. You can just keep them off the ground by killing anything that gets near them

Can't die if there's no enemies

[dark kayak]

Either way not enough perks for the current build to reach tge keystone anyway.

[unkempt zodiac]

now i would like to see your build

[unkempt zodiac]

you take out for blood and exhilirating takedown? covering fire and field improv?

[short yew]

They nerfed vet twice within a couple of months. Also lasweapons feel a lot more like the meme after traitor update. Even helbore mk2, which was still decent with charged shots after the last 2 patch/updates.

[kind scarab]

DO NOT TAKE EXHILIRATING TAKEDOWN

[serene sage]

Barrel says hi
(I'm the one shooting it)

[kind scarab]

It's 10000% bugged right now

[unkempt zodiac]

yeah i know - you take more damage from it

[kind scarab]

yeap

[serene sage]

It's fine to take

[fleet garden]

nah, play with it so when they fix it

you will feel so much better

[unkempt zodiac]

but his idea was a medic vet - so it would make sense, once it is fixed

[serene sage]

Cause you still regen after all

[unkempt zodiac]

first rule of being a medic: dont get hit 😄

[copper jackal]

So, does anyone else feel like Veteran feels kinda neutered? Between bugged skills and other things. But also the fact they're trying to force Vet into picking only one tree, because if you even deviate just the teensiest bit, there goes your capstone.

[kind scarab]

If you need to regen, it means you get hit. If you are getting hit. You don't want to have Exhilirating takedown making you take 30% more damage

[dark kayak]

I'm at work and work late so dm me and I'll send you the outline when I get home. I love theory crafting

[hollow ibex]

It’s mainly the lack of flexibility in the tree for me, despite them claiming it’s supposed to be versatile

[orchid cloak]

its not like vet really has a lot of tougness to spare anyway :x getting hit is death with that thing on

[serene sage]

Where's the G, some one please react with a G

[copper jackal]

Okay, glad to know I'm not insane.

[unkempt zodiac]

oh come one - only 30%? vet is the op class anyway and who needs hp if you have the faith in the empereur

[sick marsh]

is the agripinaa combat shotty and devils claw a viable combination?

[kind scarab]

There, I fixed it

[hollow ibex]

Don’t see why not

[kind scarab]

At least it spells something now

[topaz lance]

basically everyone agrees that the tree would be way better with 2-3 nodes per branch removed

[unkempt zodiac]

yeah - doc has posted a video somewhere on top. it can work

[sick marsh]

oh... hello sikorsky

[sick marsh]

fancy seeing you here.

[grave cargo]

Dunno if one of you was in that game

[kind scarab]

I need to go test my shotgun now in some more matches

[grave cargo]

Very clean run very wp

[hollow ibex]

Sorry do I know you from somewhere

[kind scarab]

But I don't know if I want to deal with randos

[grave cargo]

I wish I had my scoreboard mod installed

[sick marsh]

Enlisted official. a few years ago.

[hollow ibex]

Ooooh yeah. Shitlisted

[short yew]

Yes. The marksmen skill tree(all left-hand-side) means you end up a glass cannon without the cannon. The ability of the class meant to pick off elites is halved. You end up doing your job quadruply more effectively running any of the other 3. Particularly Ogryn with a shield & thumper

[grave cargo]

I don't even think I topscored cause psure that was a sharpshooter plasma vet I just wanted to see how much damage I took lmao zealot thp gain is ridiculous

[sick marsh]

I'm taking a long hiatus, waiting for them to not fuck the game up. that's about it

[zealous wyvern]

sirosky

[kind scarab]

Nah, but my ping to NA ain't horrible enough most of the time

[grave cargo]

You are absolutely a glass cannon

[kind scarab]

Just an extra 130 ping

[sick marsh]

no. he's a helicopter

[grave cargo]

You just have to land headshots

[zealous wyvern]

skikorsky

[grave cargo]

You can do 2 million damage with revolver sharpshooter rn

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I quit a while back, heard it hasn’t gotten better so I stayed quit

[grave cargo]

You can kill a boss in 6 seconds with sharpshooter headhunter rn

[sick marsh]

smart.

[kind scarab]

We can certainly try, it's not like it'd be my first time playing NA in Damnation or Auric

[grave cargo]

It just actually requires you to land headshots or be fucking balls

[copper jackal]

The far right tree (Stealthy boi) Also took a nasty bonking. Because there are utterly vital skills necessary to capitalize on your ability to sneak about that are in other branches of the skill tree. And if you invest in any other trees, your keystone/capstone is going to be neutered. It's so damn weird.

[unkempt zodiac]

the thing is: if you go for sniper, you dont need anything once you have precision strikes with the big hitters. you kill all enemies with 2 shots anyway. the keystone doesnt give you a full onshot

[short yew]

So thats where the damage went. The pistols and autoguns. Headshotting gunners on damnation with a charged shot stakes 2-3 more charged helbore rounds than pre-patch

[kind scarab]

You mean on your helbore?

[dim hemlock]

Tbf if you're doing that much dmg you must have some very heavy teammates.

[kind scarab]

I haven't seen anyone complain about it doing any worse this update

[tall torrent]

Give veteran 3 extra points and call it a day

Or rework the tree again and cut travel talents and delete born leader

[forest maple]

If anything, this update made the plasma even stronger with the focus keystone

can one shot stuff i previously couldnt

so im kinda afraid for the plasma now

[copper jackal]

It honestly does feel like the Vet is missing skill points.

[tall torrent]

I would not even be objected if veteran got 10 extra skill points in the current tree

[orchid cloak]

keep born leader delete keep their heads down put born leader in its place

fixed

[grave cargo]

You do 4000 to crushers

[kind scarab]

@short yew I dunno what you doing man

[tall torrent]

Born leader is bad
Keep their heads down is occasionally useful against big packs of gunners

[kind scarab]

But something ain't right

[grave cargo]

Revolver is just insane rn with sharpshooter

[grave cargo]

You get like a 300% damage boost

[kind scarab]

Cause even my trash helbore can still oneshot them on damn

[short yew]

Interesting. Might have to try out a few 360+mod Helbore mk1s & IIIs. 2 feels very off recently.
Recon seems useless. Haven’t tried kantreal patterns post traitor

[spark hamlet]

trying out chainsword + revolver for weapon specialist, would las pistol work better or do you need the oomph of the revolver

[orchid cloak]

i hate suppression mechanic because most of the time 1 it doesnt work 2 it stops me from killing them outright

[kind scarab]

This

100% this

[orchid cloak]

like

my neat pack of gunners

scattered like rats

[forest maple]

every time i see hellbore iron sights, i recoil in disgust

[kind scarab]

Suppression is god awful most of the time. I want them dead not shitting their pants out of my line of sight.

[orchid cloak]

if i had 1 aqulla for every time i dropped exe stance because of supression id have every mtx in the game

[kind scarab]

That's a lot of mtx

[spark hamlet]

that and stagger

i shoot at a sniper, miss the weak spot, it falls over and into cover

[kind scarab]

Just shoot harder

[short yew]

Similar thing when Ogryn or a nade knocks over but doesn’t eliminate 10+specialists when you’ve just lined up with focus fire.

[spark hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-gif-21373815

cheers doc

[kind scarab]

Yeah nah, damn Ogryns with rumblers make me lose braincells and simultaneously develop more brain folds.

Like a cabbage folding in on itself

[spark hamlet]

i'm starting to think i need to make a plasma gun build

seems the most... consistent?

[keen wolf]

what's seen as better? mk3 or mk6 power sword?

[kind scarab]

Depends on who you ask. Many people enjoy MK6 for Cara enemy damage, and easy light attacks on hordes.

Personally, I prefer MK3, for faster activation and no slowdown.

And the heavy attacks work great for clearing the hordes while they push into you

[keen wolf]

no slowdown?

[kind scarab]

Nope

Or rather, far less slowdown

[keen wolf]

you mean while pressing button?

[kind scarab]

Yes, the activation

[keen wolf]

thanks 🙂

[kind scarab]

You can block cancel the animation quickly as well, which is neat

[zealous wyvern]

very nice

[keen wolf]

oh wow

Brunt, what did I do?

[kind scarab]

You made him sad

[whole moon]

Discussion in General about Guardsmen jetpack troops. That's a Harakoni something

[zealous wyvern]

oh i had no idea

[kind scarab]

I should really go murder some heretics for their plasteel

[dark kayak]

Lol

[kind scarab]

and to test the shotgun more ofc

[orchid cloak]

i spent 5k plasteel and all i got was some dockets

[tall torrent]

If I can only hit 1 at a time and I can make the one next to the one I hit stop shooting completely, that’s at least “somewhat useful” in niche situations

Born leader is just bad

[kind scarab]

Ain't that a mood

[tall torrent]

Harakoni warhawks

[kind scarab]

WAIT A MINUTE

I just realised I made an infinite ammo shotgun build so long as I don't miss

Pffffrt

I never even noticed the ammo count

That's hilarious

[spark hamlet]

what does the ! mean

[misty surge]

you dont have the reliquary you had equipped in that slot anymore

so the game "autofilled it" with that one

you salvaged what used to be there

[spark hamlet]

oh ok

[kind scarab]

Either it was autofilled, or you upgraded it at hadron and it got re-equipped

[spark hamlet]

cheers

i probably need to redo my curios

[kind scarab]

aight

fuggit

Gonna go kill some heretics

May soloq have mercy on my soul

As soon as the game decides it's done loading me into the morningstar

Nah, it just stuck hanging

Gonna have to relaunch

[misty delta]

mood

[kind scarab]

Game treats me so nicely

That's what I get for minmaxing and breaking shit

[slender turtle]

Melk having a good gun in the store for once

[zealous wyvern]

new cosmetic @untold mulch

[kind scarab]

Not terrible

Agreed

[untold mulch]

[slender turtle]

What are the blessings for a lasgun. I know its deadly accurate but im honestly not sure what else

[kind scarab]

HH

[whole moon]

anyone else think this looks anything other than shite?

[slender turtle]

How did i miss that

[trim hemlock]

Honestly, I’d rather wear a standard penance carapace helmet

[foggy nova]

Finally got Long Bomb on my last random grenade throw at the end of the Smelter level
Maybe the Emperor DOES love me, but at this point it's more likely to be the machinations of Tzeentch

[tight dragon]

did we get a proper guardsman full helm yet even

[trim hemlock]

Or goggles. You basically can’t go wrong with the goggles

[whole moon]

This! so much this!

[crisp bronze]

Is it worth sacrificing my current Power Sword (right) for Power Cycler 4 and throwing it on this new one? Obviously replacing the Slaughterer 2 in that case.

[trim hemlock]

What, with rebreather and visor?

[zealous wyvern]

congratulations soldier

[foggy nova]

Thank you, soldier

[merry basalt]

is that in the game

[tight dragon]

afaik no

[merry basalt]

fuck

[trim hemlock]

No, of course we didn’t (this image is a mock up, by the way, there is no such helmet in the game files)

[fair lily]

fake, fatshark would never put goggles on the carapace helmets

[twin kettle]

What is the best melee weapon for the veteran and why is it the shovel?

[trim hemlock]

I wouldn’t, unless you really want to have a sword with Sunder

And while Sunder isn’t entirely worthless, it’s not a really good a blessing, either

[tall torrent]

But they should

[crisp bronze]

I don't know about best overall... but the shovel is definitely a contender for best defensive veteran melee.

[twin kettle]

Spamming heavy attack adn the poke I feel untouchable with shovel lol

[crisp bronze]

Half of it is me hearing some decent things about Sunder. The other half is just because it can hit 550 lol.

[whole moon]

if you change something to Sunder at least you can swap it out if what you heard was misleading

[trim hemlock]

It's a blessing that lets you potentially cleave a lot of elites, but you still have to account for the damage falloff with secondary targets, and typically you will want to prioritize the most dangerous target and kill it ASAP, then another, until it's done

[grand pumice]

In casual play my Skirmisher is so much fun to just zoom around and kill things and just act like a crackhead spaz

[trim hemlock]

Which is what Bromentum does perfectly, because not only you get to have ridiculously good damage cleave, you also get some WS power to destroy elites with

[grand pumice]

its actually so fun

[kind scarab]

I really hate soloq

None of these smoothbrains actually fucking move

[trim hemlock]

In DT, or in multiplayer games in general?

[gleaming turtle]

You're gonna be so mad when you see what the Premium Cadian helmet is, lmao

[kind scarab]

All multiplayer games

Motherfuckers are too fucking dumb

[orchid cloak]

whats wrong with solo queue just carry /s

[sour elbow]

blergh, I was power cycler level 4 for my swords. :T

[kind scarab]

[gleaming turtle]

I feel like Melk is trying to trick me.

[kind scarab]

I'm trying

[sour elbow]

Chewing through plasteel at a terrifying rate trying to get weapons with it. Floating diamantine like hell though

[orchid cloak]

low key though i do hope they nerf dome psycher that shit is probably the most broken thing in the game rn

as far as abilties go

[kind scarab]

Buy it right tf now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174834481761370183/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.17_-_00.11.00.07.mp4

This is what you can do with it

[hearty panther]

Dome Psyker is pretty okay now imo. It was stupid with the instant cooldown refresh bug, now it just feels strong in the way an active ability should.

[orchid cloak]

:x it has 100% uptime

the bug was fixed

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah, but the stopping power...

[kind scarab]

Mine ain't much better

[hearty panther]

Yeah and it used to have 500% uptime lol, double and triple uses of it all stacked on one another.

[orchid cloak]

look all im saying is vet took a big L when there were far more broken things out there than vet

[hearty panther]

But compared to the rectangle shield it lacks utility outside of just blocking certain projectiles

And it's such a phat bubble that it eats a lot of unnecessary damage

[kind scarab]

Agreed, like Ogryns

Just Ogryns

[crisp bronze]

Yeah I was personally hoping for brutal momentum 4 on the last upgrade but got sunder instead. Perks are both pretty good though. 25% damage against unyielding and carapace. Only "bad" thing on it is slaughterer 2 which I can switch for Power Cycler 4.

[sly niche]

Which would you say is better?

[kind scarab]

Right one has better perks

But left one has better blessings

Personally. I'd use neither.

[orchid cloak]

knife zealot , bubble , zealot relic , voidstrike , the lightning blitz , psycher toughness regen

[kind scarab]

Zealot relic got buffed again

It can now stun bosses on every pulse again

iirc

[hearty panther]

Every other pulse

[orchid cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crazy-blue-cat-push-table-jerk-gif-14539852

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t no respite work better over fire frenzy considering shotguns deal so much stagger?

[orchid cloak]

i get we are in a high power point in the game for all classes but that doesnt mean bring vet down to where everyone else was in the betas

[kind scarab]

Me pushing the boss off the ledge with the power of showing him pictures of peoples skill trees

[kind scarab]

No respite only works if they still have health left

[digital gazelle]

I cant find any builds on the build thread that look like something i could try

[hearty panther]

Make one up. It's what I do.

[tall torrent]

What elite/specialist enemies can agrip shotgun 1 shot

[orchid cloak]

oh i forgot

[tall torrent]

Without slugs

[orchid cloak]

zealot hammers able to blow the back out of any boss

[kind scarab]

All of them

Minus mutties if no slugs, and without the right setup

[orchid cloak]

even without stealth

[kind scarab]

And ragers

[orchid cloak]

ragers i can cope with

[tall torrent]

Right

Might need to get my hands on one

[orchid cloak]

but not 30-40% of a bosses health in 1 swing

[kind scarab]

If using slugs to set them up though

You can oneshot everything

(after using 1 slug)

[tall torrent]

I mean that’s 2 shots if the slugs can’t kill in 1 hit

[digital gazelle]

I can either run this

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t the slug shot deal like 1800 dmg

[kind scarab]

You can also oneshot Reapers and Bulwarks with a slug headshot

[hearty panther]

smh slugs are for cooking not killing

[digital gazelle]

or this

[kind scarab]

This one, but replace between the eyes with Deadly Accurate

[strange ledge]

This requires them to take a specialised weapon that sacrifices horde clearing and overall ttk on everything else

[kind scarab]

Or, upgrade the second one and pray for a good second perk/Blessing

[tall torrent]

Considering shotguns heavily now since the keystone update actually sorta made them better for vets and the new shotgun skin is sick

[orchid cloak]

what do you mean literally just heavy swing that is your horde clear

[mortal horizon]

what should i do to this, i have 1 more lock available. swap elites to carapace or maniac?
is upgrading BM to 4 worth

[kind scarab]

Heavy swing on martyrdom

[orchid cloak]

even without marty thats just icing

[kind scarab]

People who complain really just be suffering skill issue

[sharp ember]

i miss The Bigger They Are having a damage bonus

[digital gazelle]

what should I go for the skill tree? the changes have really thrown me off

[obtuse dawn]

Bm3 is fine, I would look at what breakpoints it needs some extra juice to hit. Maniac if you can't one tap muties or weak spot for a universal boost. Carapace if that gets you two tap crushers. It's a fantastic weapon I wouldn't rush the final refine

[kind scarab]

Gimme a sec, a friend who's also good at builds made something for the infantry lasguns I'll grab it real quick for you

[digital gazelle]

danke

[kind scarab]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9aa0034b-0ae0-452d-b2e6-2410d20080be

That's his build

[strange ledge]

Try heavy sword for comparison. Horde management is not horde clear

[kind scarab]

Works with Infantry 1A/4

[digital gazelle]

oh the auto and the las huh? neat

[kind scarab]

Those are both infantry las

Here's his scoreboard for the match he played using it

Went pretty well ngl

[orchid cloak]

maybe ill go back to using the 12 lasgun i miss the thing

[kind scarab]

While I like the 12, they buffed the other two up enough to surpass it in flat dps

[lyric rain]

@kind scarab now to look for tier 5 blessings?

[junior needle]

There are none

[kind scarab]

No t5 blessings

[lyric rain]

oh tier 4

[digital gazelle]

the one you linked is braced autogun, I have a infantry lasgun, and an infantry autogun

[orchid cloak]

please dont put reds in this game :x please god the plasteel is already so few

[kind scarab]

Since he's here, we can ask him

[junior needle]

oh look it's me

[kind scarab]

@junior needle The build you sent me earlier, they asked for it

Was showing them the results

You have a braced gun on there, but I assume you just used the MG1a on that

[sly haven]

WHERE THE COSMETICS?

[kind scarab]

Tomorrow

[junior needle]

Yeah I didn't bother to fill out the rest and it defaults to that

[tall torrent]

They said so?

[junior needle]

Works very well for both mg4 and 1a

[tall torrent]

Does onslaught rly work that well for infantry lasguns?

[kind scarab]

I made an unholy thing you might enjoy seeing

[digital gazelle]

oh for both? sweet

is the axe needed on the build? or can i use my muitorum Mk VI psword

[tall torrent]

Yea but infantry lasguns don’t shoot that fast?

[fleet garden]

just make the mg IV and I on par with mg XII

[shell widget]

Is stub revolver still OK to run?

[true echo]

not bad for a first game. I'll take it

[digital gazelle]

YO is 20% the max for health?

[fleet garden]

21%

[tall torrent]

No but good enough

[crisp bronze]

My new Power Sword. Do I swap one of the perks? (Maybe Unyielding to Maniac) Or do I just farm Brutal Momentum and replace Sunder. I primarily run Melee Vet if that changes anything.

[digital gazelle]

AND i found a 3 stamina relic too

[sharp ember]

revolver is one of the best guns with the right setup

[sly haven]

holy fuck

[fleet garden]

you want maniac+flak as perks and power cycler4+brutal momentum/rampage4 as blessings imo

[sly haven]

well that just aint fair

[tall torrent]

I think keep as is and maybe swap sunder around once u earn it from a different weapon

[sly haven]

i wish i could get anything worth while in loot

[fleet garden]

im still missing powercycler4 after hundreds of hours

[kind scarab]

@junior needle

[digital gazelle]

also what relic stats do i focus on for Vet?

[kind scarab]

If you use slugs, you can oneshot the mutties, reapers and bulwarks with a headshot too

[mortal horizon]

ok gotcha, ya ill test it. Im trying to figure out a build for it + plasma, think i want to use shout + right tree. I was looking at this and have 3 points left to spend. just wish i could get Bring it Down! but can't. Any advice on what i should do with last 3 points?

[minor brook]

what should i change on this?

[kind scarab]

Technically, you can run either middle tree, or left tree, both work great for the breakpoints

[shell widget]

Neat. For a Voice of Command support build, would splitting between left and middle branches without reaching any keystones still work?

[frank ether]

I made yet another shovel

550 rating

[kind scarab]

Crit to Mani

[sly haven]

is thast the slug one

[kind scarab]

Yes

You see me start off the whole mess with a slug round

[junior needle]

Not really, but I was testing it with infernus on the gun instead of the headhunter blessing I had for maximum unga bunga value. DOT's stack onslaught and I'm stacked up on crits (and have a bleed knife) so it ended up giving me considerably more armor pen value than the flat 10% on harder targets (anything wearing flak is a hard target for infantry lasguns).

[kind scarab]

To proc full bore

[sly haven]

why is it critting every shot

[kind scarab]

It isn't

[wanton crescent]

what can i do with this?

[civic bay]

If you’re running a support build then I don’t see why you’d skip the middle keystone

[spare aspen]

So is vet dead again after the heavy nerfs?

[orchid cloak]

vet was never dead

[kind scarab]

Those were all headshots. Two of them only were crits, that were extreme overkill.

[spare aspen]

The nerfs to trench fighter, confirmed kill and for the emperor was not needed man

[spare aspen]

they are in auric maelstrom

[tall torrent]

Ohhh didn’t think abt it that way tbh
Yea onslaught could cook with Infernus ig

[orchid cloak]

i just did one of those :x

[crisp bronze]

With my current build I think Brutal Momentum would let me hit the 2 shot Crusher breakpoint with the push attack->light 4 combo. So I think I'll keep farming Power Swords until I get it and swap it for Sunder like you said.

[orchid cloak]

did fine

[kind scarab]

I haven't been able to do aurics/damnations since patch released, cause anytime there's another vet on my team they die faster than they can be useful

[tall torrent]

Sunder cleaves melee elites much better so it’s best to keep as is and earn sunder from a different sword so u get the choice to pick whatever u like on this one

[orchid cloak]

felt that

[kind scarab]

Everyone wants to play the new tree, but they don't know what they doing

[orchid cloak]

thats mainly why i play stealth vet

its carry potential is out of this world

[fleet garden]

no I crabwalk and you cant stop me

[deep fable]

nerfs?

que

[sly haven]

it was nerfed across the board bro

[mortal horizon]

are any of the augments for weapon specialists good besides the ammo reload one? I have 3 points left in my frag, shout, weapon specialist build and not sure what to use them on

[spare aspen]

Wtf is fire team

[orchid cloak]

i would like them to add back that 50 health and 40 or so tougness i lost back though ( :

[spare aspen]

Ive never heard of that talent before

[sharp ember]

damage aura

[spare aspen]

its not in the tree

[late hatch]

i havent played heaps but vet felt alright to me, played a bit of melee, ranged, and commissar builds and they all felt fine

[tall torrent]

3% dmg aura -> 5% dmg

[serene sage]

tfw

[spare aspen]

oh

thanks guys

yeah that aint shit

how the fuck is 5% damage gonna compete with survivalist

[kind scarab]

Honestly, with the way the AI director has been overtuned with this update. I'm honestly tempted to use the stealth ult, just so I don't have to deal with that nonsense when it spawns on my ass.

[serene sage]

vets cabn't think of anything but survivalist

[orchid cloak]

do it

the director vomits specials you have good uptime

[junior needle]

It's very much a lazymans build and I wanted to test it in practice. Turned out surprisingly good and made maulers/flak ragers much more manageable, but of course one shot headshotting things will always be superior if you can consistently plink heads.

If you aren't using infernus I wouldn't recommend onslaught.

[orchid cloak]

hunting grounds means free ult

[spare aspen]

The damage nerfs are just too much though

destroyed all my breakpoints

again

[crisp bronze]

I literally made a second loadout that is the exact same except I use the speed aura to save points in case there is another veteran with the ammo aura.

[orchid cloak]

i actually dont mind the director where it is now

[junior needle]

What's the effective range on doing that? Looks like all regular shots and I'm guessing spread complicates things at longer distances.

[orchid cloak]

i just wish they didnt nerf vet first

id be for making the game harder rather than nerfing vet

[kind scarab]

Works up to 20m away

[sly haven]

it's even easier for a light breeeze to kill us

[worldly grove]

😭 the nerfs.......

[junior needle]

Do you need to build on the pain train on weaker targets or can it do most/all things without stacking buffs?

[spare aspen]

vets are dead in the water once again

just play zealot

0 reason to play vet

the keystones are munted too

[kind scarab]

Only real buff you would need for like, onetapping gunners is to either proc full bore with a slug, then keep killing, or use ex stance for the breakpoint

[spare aspen]

they probably had someone's 6 year old daughter design them

[kind scarab]

After that, it's smooth sailing until you need to reload

[dusty ferry]

@kind scarab saw your infantry auto and execution stance and took it to a run, pretty solid

[deep fable]

so uh...180 easily attainable toughmess with 50dr, some of the best regen on melee kills, one of the if not the best support ability

are we playing the same class even

[orchid cloak]

180 tougness really isnt that much :x

[deep fable]

like what are you guys even talking about

[kind scarab]

Let the lead flow through your gun, and into their veins

[dusty ferry]

hell yes

[deep fable]

everything else?

[orchid cloak]

best regen on melee kills?

where?

[solar garden]

Coulda one-tapped all of those with a MG12 and still had half a mag full with no reloading 🤣
I don't know why people argue for any IAG when they chew through ammo the way they do.

[deep fable]

krak grenades are still a regenerating get out of jail card

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174839967139246130/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.17_-_00.32.39.09.mp4

[deep fable]

like

[kind scarab]

This is the build using mid capstone, without any of the buffs

(other than fullbore)

[deep fable]

3 minutes to have 3 of them

[kind scarab]

And me, failing to aim at the dog

[deep fable]

and then arguably the best melee weapon

and hands down the best gun