veteran-class

[gusty bison]

Ur sanity

[kind scarab]

ur aim

[frank ether]

I got speed aura and smoke grenades

[dusk idol]

i tried smoke grenades on the new map

felt great

[kind scarab]

Should have went melee

[pastel geode]

I had a knife zealot and vet trying to speedrun together then quit when they got bonked by heavy armored guys

[dusk idol]

until a monstrosity came along

[warped roost]

speed aura is some kind of griefing

[dusk idol]

and i had literally no way to stagger it

[kind scarab]

This is exactly why the ability to inspect peoples loadouts is a bad idea

[gusty bison]

Its ok if its on a 2nd vet tbh

If the first one is survivalist

[warped roost]

they should both be survivalist in case 1 dcs

[bold ibex]

melee vets don't really need survivalist and to get all the poitns you need you sometimes have to take it

[kind scarab]

Everyone feels entitled to have the vet they play with run survivalist, and not what the person feels like using

[dusk idol]

you know

idk why they didn't just make melee vets aura 10% light attack damage

[kind scarab]

light attack damage?

[dusk idol]

to synergise with ogryns heavy attack damage aura

[kind scarab]

Either straight damage, or bust

[minor brook]

i can live without 5% damage

[dusk idol]

there's already straight damage and it's ass

[minor brook]

i cant live without ammo

[kind scarab]

SO YOU WANT TO MAKE IT WORSE

[tardy vigil]

then perish

[kind scarab]

You see the problem, right?

At least the MS aura means you can get away from problems easier.

[minor brook]

not before i take all the grenades and ammo kits

[dusk idol]

i wouldn't mind extra crit chance aura either, like how psyker has

[kind scarab]

That would be nice.

But unlikely for us, since it seems they don't want Auras to overlap

[dusk idol]

melee attack speed aura, imagine that

[amber cliff]

Ur gonna take ur run speed and you will LIKE it

[dusk idol]

i will NOT

[kind scarab]

While I like the idea, I honestly feel that should just be a part of the 5% damage aura we already have.

[minor brook]

do people use columnus 5 or 2

[amber cliff]

Mhmmm yummy run speed Mhmm

[minor brook]

whats the difference

[kind scarab]

Make it 5% Damage, and 10% attack speed

[dusk idol]

and move it over to melee

[amber cliff]

Run faster to your dooom

[dusk idol]

give support a new aura

[kind scarab]

Supports aura should be survivalist

[amber cliff]

Tbh they should axe survivalist. It will never be balanced. It’s either too strong or will be too weak

If they nerf it

[kind scarab]

Give the marksman tree a new Aura that's actually ranged damage oriented

[dusk idol]

i'm of the mindset survivalist is just too good to remain

[amber cliff]

Same

[dusk idol]

it does need to be changed out for something else

[tropic copper]

First time on here since the patch does everyone love the new keystones or what

[dusk idol]

mixed reactions

[amber cliff]

I like the marking one

But it’s mixed

[minor brook]

i dont use any of them

[languid scarab]

There is a braced Columnus and infantry Columnus. Lately the infantry is the go to. The braced was never great.

[bright coyote]

if they added attack speed or something powerful like that onto one of the other auras surv can stay

[minor brook]

honestly it feels the new keystones force you to play in a gimmicky way

[languid scarab]

They are all pretty wild, they all require a fair bit of micro to get value from.

But you don’t need them for a great build.

[dusk idol]

something i noticed is that other classes keystones just require you to play as you have, taking advantage of your blitzs like psyker, killing things in melee like zealot or being big tanky boy like ogryn

veteran keystones don't have that same kind of feeling?

[tardy vigil]

eh, Left and middle feel like it tbh

[kind scarab]

Middle capstone and left capstone literally need no thought to get working at all

[minor brook]

wait wtf i just bought a white columnus to see what the gun is like

this is absurd

[frank ether]

died to silent rager spawning behind me

[minor brook]

jesus christ

[kind scarab]

Literally as long as you can aim, they both work without you putting thought into them

[tardy vigil]

i dont buy into the crab walk or staying still mindset on left, and middle is just a plus for me spamming t like a madman

[minor brook]

what are the blessings you put on this this is gonna get nerfed fast

[tardy vigil]

the problem with the keystones, as has been stated many times already, is the investment needed to get to them

[dusk idol]

hell if they were cheap i'd pick them up just to have them

[bright coyote]

yea i just dont care about the marksman focus stuff

[dusk idol]

but they're not cheap

[terse eagle]

having key stones leaves little room to explore other talents

[bright coyote]

one shot revolver is cool but im too gen z to stand still

[dusk idol]

and middle keystone needs its nodes to really flush itself out

[minor brook]

i feel like theres just too many important talents you really cant live without

which are taxes

[tropic copper]

I dont think this is a hot take but I think the keystones are unusable garbage

[drifting moon]

SPECIALIZATION

[karmic musk]

Demolition Stockpile, Survivalist, Confirmed Kill, Iron Will

[bright coyote]

i get that

[karmic musk]

All of these need to be at the start

[dusk idol]

and then there's the straight up point tax at the beginning

[tardy vigil]

unusable, or just not as powerful for the amoutn of investment needed?

[tall canopy]

Weapon specialist is the best out of all three

[bright coyote]

they nerfed pretty mucj all of the "core" passives too

[karmic musk]

For single shot weapons and melee

[dusk idol]

i would take tag because it's simple, i wouldn't take right or left keystone unless i wanted to play into their niche

[frank ether]

moments before disaster

[minor brook]

holy moly have you guys ever seen 4% damage

[frank ether]

It happened so fast I couldnt even mentally register lmao

[terse eagle]

also the max ammo talent should switch places with the immune suppression talent because if your taking a las weapon then you probably would rather take shock trooper anjd supression over the max ammo intead of wasting a point getting all 3 cause max ammo is in the way.

[tardy vigil]

omnissiah bless this weapon

[tall canopy]

Truly profane

[karmic musk]

but you are blocking

[junior needle]

If no one answered, the only somewhat decently performing one is the 6d but baseline it's low tier compared to alternatives. The 2 and 7a are so bad dps wise they aren't worth using ever.

The entire line is in bad need of a rework.

[karmic musk]

max ammo should be the first node in the tree

[frank ether]

I somehow got hit anyways

[dusk idol]

i remember when lasgun was good for like 3 weeks

[frank ether]

I think I raised it too late maybe Idk

also none of the chaff or rager made a single sound lmao

[dusk idol]

the hotshot las fantasy was there and was so quickly snatched away

[terse eagle]

@karmic musk dont we all wish that i know a lot of people say ammo doesnt need to be a thing but its not about having the ammo its about playing the build you want and for veteran a lot of builds are better with more ammo overall.

[junior needle]

21 days I believe

[bright coyote]

my first time playing was patch 13 when the recon 6d was absolutely shredding

[junior needle]

So yeah, 3 weeks

[karmic musk]

It was part of Veteran default ability to have more ammo

[untold mulch]

21 days of usefulness after 8ish months of sucking

[frank ether]

I'm starting to think maybe keeping flak was a mistake

[dusk idol]

pfft

recons were never even in the good tier

and then they were

[frank ether]

feel like carapace or unyielding could be better

[dusk idol]

and then they werent

[frank ether]

crushers take 3 headshots to die

[untold mulch]

Fatshark hates recons kek

[copper parcel]

Which of the power swords is the better of the two? the MK3 or the MK6?

[untold mulch]

I will delude myself into thinking someone in dev team has a hate for Bullpups

[terse eagle]

@vero i think each class having a natural passive or choices of natural passives would be ideal.

[mystic belfry]

Running the 90% accuracy penance, so I shot my revolver until empty and went pure melee for the rest of the match. What the heresy players doin

[karmic musk]

NO delusion , the dev team hates Veteran

[dusk idol]

people like the mk6, so i've heard

[bright coyote]

i didnt play auric during patch 13 but i mean u could 3 second ttk crushers

[thick laurel]

It's like I said, fatshark hates us not using the weapons they intended to be strong. It was nice to use something we usually didn't though.

[untold mulch]

Delete this

[minor brook]

bullpup revolver when

[dusk idol]

they hate us using any weapon

[tardy vigil]

Mk6 can charge while blocking and guard-push attack is a stab so easy for HS. Mk3 doesn't slow you down while charging iirc

[frank ether]

delete dis

[lime field]

Is Veteran hella squishy or just me?

[drifting moon]

Dev hats VET because cucks do not wanna specialize

[dusk idol]

it's not just you

vet is squish

[minor brook]

vet dies instantly

[tardy vigil]

Do you have Exhilarating Takedown and/or iron will?

[minor brook]

exhilarating takedown is still bugged no?

[karmic musk]

you know the first makes you weaker right

[tardy vigil]

Because the former is bugged. and later is a must have

[dusk idol]

it is still bugged

[lime field]

I picked all the toughness perks but I was playing Damnation at the time

[dusk idol]

exhil takedown will make you take more damage

instead of giving you resistance

[copper parcel]

so neither is outright better?

[bright coyote]

why must it be bugged

[mystic belfry]

On a side note, needing to play a pure melee match gives me more appreciation for knife mobility tbh

[topaz lance]

At this point they should just leave it like that

[dusk idol]

because some poor intern did the coding

[tardy vigil]

Correct, try both out. I prefer the mk3 to the mk6 because i dont like the slow down on the special

but that guard-push on the mk6 is really nice

[gusty bison]

Depends on ur build

[dusk idol]

convinced that it's the same intern doing all the coding and his back is breaking along with his mind

[kind scarab]

MK3 is my favourite, but most people here will side with MK6

[lime field]

Not finding Exhil takedown.

[gusty bison]

Some builds squish, others tonky

[tall canopy]

I do like my mk 6

Ngl

[dusk idol]

at the top left

[mystic belfry]

Veteran can be squishy or pretty tanky

Never ogryn tanky, but tanky

[tardy vigil]

2 row, top left

[bright coyote]

i prefer the mk6 power sword but mk3 is just as good pretty much

[untold mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174487807511773224/image.png?ex=6567c602&is=65555102&hm=8b97509a791731212e5be4698a6a194734f5f93cb9912c7ba3479599925771b1&

[warped roost]

heal your bodies, let the mind attend to itself

[untold mulch]

Love keystone update

[drifting moon]

Vet should be

[obtuse dawn]

It feels just always squishy tbh

[lime field]

I did have that on before. Which makes things make sense.

[copper parcel]

How vital is Charismatic for vets anyways? Not very?

[warped roost]

The biggest nerf to vet is not being uninterruptible anymore

[kind scarab]

Nah

[frank ledge]

I can tank sniper shots to the face.

Face is not squish

[mystic belfry]

It's not

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254765

[mystic belfry]

You can take it but you don't need it at all

[gusty bison]

Not very unless u have some good coherency stuff

[warped roost]

and there's no way to gain uninterruptibility anymore unless you count toughness break

[drifting moon]

I'm full left tree

[gusty bison]

Like it works well with mid keystone

[copper parcel]

Scavenger and VoC?

[tardy vigil]

you'll still be pretty squishy if going left exec stance, shout gives really nice tanky but you basically play as a zealot imo

[untold mulch]

Sacrifices were made

[obtuse dawn]

I mean, you can stack sniper and gunner rez, but that does nothing when you are fighting a rager pack in a hord

[dusk idol]

i do have a question

[frank ledge]

I pick neither.

[lime field]

So Iron Will is good? I got confused by the text to really understand what it does

[dusk idol]

what can vet do better than any other class?

[gusty bison]

Those are ok but the real one that benefits is Middle Keystone

[tardy vigil]

used to be better when shout stagger scaled with coherency, but i dont think thats the case anymore

[warped roost]

spend points in skill tree

[untold mulch]

Larp as guardsman

[obtuse dawn]

I'm leaning that way myself, I am trying smoke nades and infiltrator

[frank ledge]

I prefer toughness regen, stam regen and tougheness/hp, with a single curio for gunner res

[gusty bison]

Cos u can start giving out toughness like its oprah

[copper parcel]

if you mean the marked target one that's the one I'm using

[thick laurel]

Die

[topaz lance]

IT's one short sentence though.

[gusty bison]

Yes. Its nice with that one and toughness regen

[obtuse dawn]

Not taking 60 gunner rez is madness

[tardy vigil]

otherwise charismatic is just for increasing shout radius and born leader memes

[lime field]

My build is mainly focused on Nades and the supply allies pennance for a few more missions

[frank ledge]

Middle keystone carried my premade on the new map

[nimble sentinel]

gun

[warped roost]

60 sniper res

[karmic musk]

Exhilarating = Slaanesh
Slaanesh = More damage but more pain
So its not bugged

[gusty bison]

Cos when ur facing 20 elites u just go.

Tag kill tag kill tag kill tag kill and ur team be swimming in toughness

[obtuse dawn]

What nades you running? I have been messing with a frag nade build

[dusk idol]

does he gun better than zealot or psyker?

[frank ledge]

I spam mark, we clear faster since gunners don't break toughness

[drifting moon]

Nothing. Brainburst is king on range and LACK of visibility. Zealeaots have hammer that slaps. Ogryns have crowd control.

[thick laurel]

This update is so weak on the gun side that they're just making the vet into another zealot

[topaz lance]

They should leave it as is and just change the text to reflect what it does

[dusk idol]

so what justifies why he's so squishy

[warped roost]

plasma

[karmic musk]

Brain Rapture is the actual Marksman Focus Vet

[lime field]

Shredder Frag, I do want to test the Krak but 2-3 Shredders will wipe anything outside a miniboss

[drifting moon]

DPS in specific cases

[lime field]

(3 for maulers etc)

[obtuse dawn]

Kraks is great for crushers and bulwarks, bad otherwise

[frank ledge]

We support via toughness harder than everyone
We regen grenades

[gusty bison]

I got the fortune to be in a game with 2 middle keystone vets.

It was like having confirmed kill. On everyone. Always.

[nimble sentinel]

no ammo use on las crit, ammo on specialist kills, no suppression, it's viable to spam in hordes to thin them down significantly before they geti nto melee. Grabbing my build now

[topaz lance]

Revolver with more ammo

[obtuse dawn]

The radius on the frag is massive with nade tinkerer

[lime field]

Wait crusher not mauler* the big ogryn armored doob

[warped roost]

veteran is survivalist

[drifting moon]

the whole lock on and enemy head explode thing

[warped roost]

there you go

[karmic musk]

And the slow movement during it

[dusk idol]

so veterans are walking ammo bags

[obtuse dawn]

Brain burst is too slow

[dusk idol]

😭

[drifting moon]

Ogryn is better at tougness

[fathom grail]

We’re walking ammo box

[frank ledge]

Did you play with a black veteran named Dreg lover? May have been me

[drifting moon]

Nades I conced

[gusty bison]

Tbf the answer here is regen allied toughness

[obtuse dawn]

I don't take scavenger myself, it's fine but too many points for the builds I want to do

[topaz lance]

Yes, take field improv to really get into the role

[frank ledge]

They can't give toughness to others

[bright coyote]

me like support build (sry for no small talent tree)

[gusty bison]

Zealot can sorta try but it doesnt hold a candle to vet

[mystic escarp]

Hey everyone
Here's my agripinaa shotgun build, would love to hear some advices

[obtuse dawn]

But they have way better effective toughness for themselves and can control hordes and elites while also destroying them

[drifting moon]

DO YOU SEE HOW YOU ARE ALL SUPPORT AND JUSTIFYING YOUR WORTH AND PLAY

[obtuse dawn]

Playing my ogryn after vet, I feel drunk with power

It's like, not even the same game

[dusk idol]

zealot chorus is just as good as shout at the moment, since it refills all their toughness instead of +50

[karmic musk]

Shouldn't you go Weapon Spec?

[drifting moon]

If you felt valued as a member of the game you wouldn't be justifying to somone who agrees with you

[bright coyote]

whats up skibidi toilet man

[mystic escarp]

The main idea of that build is to be able to body shot most of specialists (jeez even maulers if you're lucky enough)

[drifting moon]

who's he?

[gusty bison]

Shout is only one of many things that come together to regen toughness though. And vet can regen allied toughness while killing things/rezzing/saving allies. Zealot is anilocked

[lime field]

I like Vet the best but Zealot is just... how Ogryn makes people feel for me

[frank ledge]

But again, they can't just massively boost team survivability by just tagging

They can't make your team simply not take chip damage due to a mistake (busters/snipers)

[drifting moon]

Body shot?

[mystic escarp]

Body shot with a crit

[drifting moon]

Vet should be the las hurdle

[karmic musk]

You kinda have no Toughness generation tho

[obtuse dawn]

Tagging isn't a massive boost, most of the tags aren't replenishing anything

[drifting moon]

Vet should be the FAFO class

[gusty bison]

He has confirmed kill

[obtuse dawn]

Toughness is either 0 or full most of the time.

[karmic musk]

He doesnt tho

[obtuse dawn]

Every tag isn't topping stuff up, that's not how toughness tends to be lost

[drifting moon]

We are under appreciated! We are under valued! We are not paid our dues!

[gusty bison]

Oh pfthehf i saw the wrong screenie

[mystic escarp]

Yeah, I've tried confirmed kill and a reload speed, can't really decide what to pick

[nimble sentinel]

he = vet, compared to ogryn zealot and psyker

they play vermintide with guns, vet's playing darktide with a sword

[drifting moon]

I happen to be a man. Fuck you for trying to dilute my message

[languid scarab]

I see a lot of vets just spamming Focus, even worse with 8 stacks,

[gusty bison]

This isnt true. Watch ur allies toughness

It isnt 100 or 0

[nimble sentinel]

I haven't had enough coffee yet to continue a bit, my b

[gusty bison]

In fact someone hitting 0 is usually about to eat shit and die

[dusk idol]

toughness regen for team, ammo supply for team and he can thin out hordes, these are genuine points

[frank ledge]

Tagging is atleast 10% of your toughness
With yelling (since it extends the toughness) you are allowing your team to keep dealing with shooters without having to back off or chase after a horde, which speeds up shooter clearing which allows for faster completion with less resources expenditure

Psyker and veterans also have big toughness pools, ussually, and don't regen it as fast

[nimble sentinel]

point is vet has a place in team comps and I am loving it despite the tree

[obtuse dawn]

Most of the tagging is not replenishing toughness, sometimes it does, but you are overestimating the impact

[untold mulch]

My pinky grazes a flame

[gusty bison]

Its replenishing when u need it the most

When ur getting swarmed by elites

[drifting moon]

I've done a lot of damnation wishing I was shooting at my back

[obtuse dawn]

And then it's at best, 5% a second, which isn't enough

[frank ledge]

When do you need toughness? When those gunners are shredding it

[gusty bison]

10%

Not 5

[karmic musk]

Should make Tag give Toughness over the limit

[gusty bison]

Its min 2 stacks per target

[dusk idol]

do you guys think veteran's role should be toughness and ammo regen as a class?

[drifting moon]

I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN KILLED BY GUNNERS IF I COULS MELEE AND SHOOT

[frank ledge]

10%, it always starts at 1 stack

[drifting moon]

Pass me the fucking copium

[gusty bison]

And u always get 1 back when the marked target dies

[obtuse dawn]

Is the tooltip wrong? It says 5% per stack

[drifting moon]

I need a hit

[gusty bison]

Its ALWAYS 2 stacks if u kill what u tag

[drifting moon]

Pass the copium

[untold mulch]

[gusty bison]

1 base +1 from kill refund = 2 stacks on next guy

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-breaths-efe-omowale-assisted-living-s3e21-inhale-exhale-gif-4389370785556430183

[frank ledge]

It is what I do, I also run rager duty with lsword because zealot is too busy with crusher, ogryn plays mk3 basher and kickback and the other player is a rando

[dusty ferry]

Meleeing with gun
also can imagine that with the HC unfortunately
I dont trust lasgun melee

[gusty bison]

Usually its 3 stacks in fact if you are killing in 1.1s intervals cos stacks come faster than 2s

[nimble sentinel]

we make a good squad lead, tag what needs to be unalived and make sure the screaming ones don't run out of boolet

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/thorn-clone-wars-machine-gun-clone-clone-trooper-gif-16953342

[obtuse dawn]

Yeah, run it then. It's not bad, I am just saying I think you are overestimating the impact

[nimble sentinel]

there's a reason we get the commissar cap and not the zealot

[drifting moon]

I do not melee with a gun

[gusty bison]

In fact if you time it perfectly its actually 14% per second for EVERY PLAYER

This is amazing

[obtuse dawn]

Theoretically amazing

[dusty ferry]

What if I told you I gun with melee

[untold mulch]

My normal run with Rando's

[gusty bison]

Its literally DOUBLE Ewew for EVERY player. And ewew is already practically good.

[fathom grail]

Just dodge bro

[obtuse dawn]

If you are tagging in perfect sync with optimal timing

[drifting moon]

I understand that not every veteran plays the same way

[obtuse dawn]

Which always happens when everyone needs toughness cuz that's how that works in game

[gusty bison]

If ur off timing its like 10 to 12% per second

[frank ledge]

That's just saying "Bloody Karker" and then tagging

[gusty bison]

Which is still better than EWEW

[dusty ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/kdrama-handshake-shaking-hands-gif-26102712

[frank ledge]

Works wonders

[drifting moon]

There is finesse to be had

[obtuse dawn]

There's an argument for redirect fire. More damage is always good and it's consistently up

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-washington-training-day-smoke-gif-22279308

[frank ledge]

teamates and even pubs seem to love shooting yellow stuff too, which is great

[gusty bison]

They are not mutually exclusive

[drifting moon]

I am not a play style supremisist

To be clear

[untold mulch]

If you call finesse, going full auto while desperately dodging every enemy on the map sure

[naive hatch]

Brittleness underrated

[tardy vigil]

really wish the normal tag was yellow, being red colordeficient fucking sucks with the red tags

[mystic belfry]

Hey, that turned out pretty good

[karmic musk]

Guys, max Focus Target stacks on team + the 5% damage aura = 19% Damage

Balanced as intended

[pastel geode]

Are the new keystones even really necessary for damnation cause I’m honestly not feeling any of them

[drifting moon]

If you gun everyone down who isn't a believer, more power to you

[kind scarab]

I really don't like soloq in aurics

[untold mulch]

See squad leader tag

My brain:

[mystic belfry]

Nope, take em if they suite your build

[tardy vigil]

needed? no

[delicate moat]

not at all

[kind scarab]

People seem to have even smoother brains than usual

[dusk idol]

they're not necessaary

[mystic belfry]

My knife build doesn't use capstones

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/no-dont-like-that-i-dont-like-it-private-foxes-foxesgifs-gif-26241846

[delicate moat]

auric is the same teammates as in normal damnation

[drifting moon]

Be a sharp shooter

[obtuse dawn]

Mercy kill / uncanny?

[tardy vigil]

Same, support/nade vet and just not enough points to get the tag keystone

[drifting moon]

I resemble this comment

[mystic belfry]

Running double bleed blessings atm actually

[granite glen]

yoo fellas! Has anyone tried an infernus lasgun build with the recent changes? Any thoughts on that?

[minor brook]

shotties are nut

[tardy vigil]

ammo eco as always

[karmic musk]

It was dead long ago

[fathom grail]

Nope what’s most important out of everything is knowing mechanics and dodging

[mystic belfry]

If you want to run support vet, I highly recommend getting middle keystone

[minor brook]

its ok but not great

[mystic belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa00520-9539-4d67-bc41-d93aa21e9079/support-vet-14

[granite glen]

ikr tragic, was just hoping maybe there'd be a shake up with the new passive auras

[obtuse dawn]

Seems like it would be pretty wimpy into elites but good at hordes

[bright coyote]

middle keystone is so good

[karmic musk]

Wdym Im a sniper vet with middle keystone

[mystic escarp]

https://youtu.be/bS3f-pMd3v0

[naive hatch]

Dodge Rok

[delicate moat]

feels lame ngl

[nimble sentinel]

the way I play with my MGIV I can imagine it being quite good, but I think I'll still stick with headshot damage crits

[kind scarab]

Like, in the Hi-Shock that I'm in right now, as soon as I died and now I'm no longer killing shit. The whole ass squad got pushed back by TWO ROOMS

[mystic escarp]

It is SD right now, but yall already can check it out

[kind scarab]

Like bruh

[delicate moat]

ez backtrack gaming

[mystic belfry]

You can handle elites by pinging them fine

Also, lasgun kills most elites pretty well

las pistol***

[delicate moat]

they're pushing forward, just towards spawn :3

[drifting moon]

For those who have been seeing my bullshit in the chat for the past few hours. Did I say it was the best way to play or did I defend it @mystic belfry

[mystic belfry]

What

[kind scarab]

They got pushed back by another room

[dusk idol]

you definitely said it was better than any other playstyle

[mystic escarp]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa01a83-b37d-43de-9509-000bd4c23885/pswordbased-and-agripilled

And here's the build

[kind scarab]

In the time it took me to talk here

[drifting moon]

You were a victim of opportunity

[dusk idol]

for sure

[mystic belfry]

I genuinly don't know what you're talking about

[drifting moon]

This will be helpful for a base but finetune to you

[delicate moat]

lmao there's only so many rooms to backtrack

[kind scarab]

I will say one thing

[delicate moat]

which map are u on?

[drifting moon]

That is what victim of opportunity is

[kind scarab]

I'm fucking glad the Ogryn DC'd

That motherfucker was dogshiet

[safe quiver]

So what is it about the director of the game became harder ? What are the changes ?

[dusk idol]

more spawns

[kind scarab]

And was pushing forward too far triggering even more shit

[delicate moat]

director has no chill now

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/drunk-gif-24788965

[mystic escarp]

Still i'm not sure how to increase the crit chance without sacrificing some good stuff
And yeah toughness is still an issue

[languid scarab]

It feels more like the old game

[amber cliff]

Director isn’t taking shit anymore

[mystic belfry]

You have to sacrifice good stuff. You playing melee or range?

[delicate moat]

i love the new bullshit pile that the director spawns on auric maelstrom

[drifting moon]

This is my build currntly

[delicate moat]

it's actually insanely fun

[mystic escarp]

Mainly CQC range with some mid-range action

[drifting moon]

It is dog shit

[mystic belfry]

Deadshot and Reciprocity

[kind scarab]

There's this other guy on the team right now, whos giving out psyker like 0 support

[mystic escarp]

I hate that "STAND STILL TO HAVE BONUSES" keystone
It's just sucks

[kind scarab]

while our psyker is hauling ass

[delicate moat]

yep, sounds like your standard pub experience

[dusk idol]

um ackshually you can crab walk with it

[drifting moon]

I am logging in to bring up my weapons and charms

[mystic escarp]

Would love to see it

[karmic musk]

Says the dead guy

[kind scarab]

Crab dodge, tyvm

[karmic musk]

[kind scarab]

[mystic escarp]

Got a deadshot already, but damn reciprocity is so far in a tree 😦

[drifting moon]

I am loading to show you.

To be fair I never specified an optimal build

[mystic belfry]

??

[languid scarab]

This is actually really strong now, with Weapons Specialist. Who knew.....

[dusk idol]

yes you did

[mystic belfry]

It was strong before too

[gleaming turtle]

What're am I looking to put on the Vrak's III?

[dusk idol]

you said it was the best build ever and nothing was better than it

[mystic escarp]

I'm one talent point away from it

[languid scarab]

It wasn't really worth it tho.. now you get rewarded for weapon switching

[delicate moat]

wait Doc how did u die

[mystic belfry]

Yes it was

[mystic escarp]

Gotta sacrifice something

[mystic belfry]

25% is a lot

[mystic belfry]

Then stick with just deadshot, +25% is enough ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[delicate moat]

not even +3 stam smh

[languid scarab]

You could micro it for free damage but it was not fun to use.

[mystic belfry]

Toughness regen speed?

[languid scarab]

It does feel a bit silly to swap like a madmad, but the rewards are so good now...

[mystic belfry]

You just... pull you gun out mid horde to special or elite snipe

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-meme-react-funny-minion-memes-gif-25019873

[mystic belfry]

What do you mean micro

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/hyped-happy-yessirr-yes-sir-lets-go-gif-17289987

[languid scarab]

I guess I ran deadshot revolver so it really made no difference in most scenarios

[drifting moon]

Even in damnation

I get thanked

[mystic belfry]

If you aren't running a quickswap gun, obviously don't run it

[mystic escarp]

Also what is better: Longshot or Precision strike?

[tardy vigil]

PS, if you're good at aiming

[kind scarab]

Teammates weren't covering my back. Bomber covered the bridge we were on in fire

[mystic escarp]

perks are not as good as it can be

[drifting moon]

1 wound, 2 stam, 18% health

[mystic belfry]

Longshot is better

But check your breakpoints

[drifting moon]

Well fuck my like a prisoner. I did say if your aim was good

[delicate moat]

imagine not running 200% fire resistance

[mystic escarp]

With that build I'm talking about it feels kinda funny since headshots needed to deal with maniacs and crushers

[drifting moon]

Imagine taking more than one shot on a bomber, flamer, or toxflamer

next question

[mystic escarp]

And still I can one headshot maniacs with slug

[drifting moon]

Same

blessings can be swapped, focus can be concentrateed

*concetrated

[mystic belfry]

Taking Focus Target! without Target Down! is criminal

You're even running mk six that likes to push attack

[tardy vigil]

if you're already meeting your breakpoints without it, then go with longshot

[drifting moon]

I don't follow law

[mystic belfry]

... That build is not taking Focus Target

So why is that relevant

[drifting moon]

If my glacier build works thhen the middle one will

[mystic belfry]

... What?

[drifting moon]

Unlike Goku, I gotta put roots down in what I am defending

I gotta be there for a fucking while

[mystic belfry]

You're supposed to throw Krak at the enemy, not smoke it

I have no idea what you're saying

[drifting moon]

for my spirit bomb

[midnight mortar]

I think they're just an advanced troll.

[mystic belfry]

That's definitly not advanced

[uncut acorn]

This has been fun with Col IAG but thinking about seeing if I can edit it a bit.

[mystic belfry]

I'd consider trying to grab deadshot and target down, if you can manage

[kind scarab]

I want you to look at this little shit

[vivid charm]

I don't really care for marksmanship focus, I move around to much to use it effectively

[kind scarab]

Sitting all the way in the back

This fucking idiot, has gotten two of us killed twice now

By sticking so far in the back

and not moving forward

[drifting moon]

How live loll... Motorcycle ande all

[kind scarab]

And having to go grab his ass twice now

[uncut acorn]

Wow

[copper parcel]

So what's a good pair of blessings for the power sword? Power Cycler (Tier 4) obviosuly but what about the other? Sunder or something else?

[drifting moon]

Send it to me

[mystic belfry]

Brutal momentum

[midnight mortar]

Brutal momentum. Some would also say sunder.

[kind scarab]

Brutal/Slaughterer/Rampage

[midnight mortar]

Slaughterer/Rampage are close seconds.

[kind scarab]

Sunder is good if you want to like, cut through Bulwark shields

[copper parcel]

Managed to upgrade a power sword with Hadron that rolled Power Cycler 2 and so I'll have to mulch that eventually to snag it

[drifting moon]

I would love to see what you would think of as an improvement. My playstyle might not fit though

[mystic escarp]

Tried it in a grinder, seems like PS is better, it helps buffing damage with a regular shots
Thanks for an advice

[copper parcel]

What are the best properties for power swords on that note? Crit chance? Weak spot damage?

[mystic belfry]

Some combo of flak, maniac, carapace, unyielding, and elite damage.

You'll have to double check the specific breakpoints, idr them offhand

Depends on what you want to one or two-tap

[mystic escarp]

I am so sorry
What should I drop?

[drifting moon]

Can we join vox channel 8?

[copper parcel]

'cause while the trait rolls on the Mk3 I got were solid; Power Cyucler 2 and tier 3 brutal momentum, the properties kinda... eh. Not sure. Came with +20% unyielding and unarmored

[midnight mortar]

Flak, maniac, carapace.

[mystic belfry]

Does Redirect Fire even get you breakpoint? I'd swap that

[agile finch]

friend said the rending from marksman focus talent is bugged

is true?

[midnight mortar]

It's easy to test in the psykhanium.

[obtuse dawn]

I want to one tap muties and two tap crushers. The perks are what get me to those, after that, getting bruiser breakpoints are what I look to

[midnight mortar]

As far as I remember, it worked there.

[agile finch]

also am i crazy or does marksman focus seem like

fine

[midnight mortar]

Brutal momentum and energized hits should already be bringing you to bruiser breakpoints.

[agile finch]

i thought it would be shit but the stacks decaying 1 by 1 makes it like, actually good

[midnight mortar]

Same with muties.

[untold mulch]

Is not bad depending on your playstyle weapon choice

I still think is too finicky in normal gameplay

[serene bough]

fine is a good word for it

[mystic belfry]

I'd definitly check what your breakpoints are in game, I dunno them after the skill tree update

[midnight mortar]

Crusher two taps are achievable with an energized push attack -> overhead to the head if you have +25% carapace and brutal.

[serene bough]

the stacks and damage are fine i just dont know how beneficial the damage buff actually is

[drifting moon]

Good luck on that sermon

[mystic belfry]

Push attack -> light attack, specifically

[serene bough]

ie if its too much overkill damage

[untold mulch]

[languid scarab]

It’s very strong but it’s hard to keep it going all the time.

[mystic escarp]

I'm reaching most of breakpoints even without it, but I gotta use slugs to headshot maniacs

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/love-life-creativity-creative-get-gif-25848672

[untold mulch]

Overall, I avoid it

Too many points

[solemn niche]

should I keep the upgrade to focus target or get marksman instead ?

[mystic belfry]

Then def swap it over imo, the stam bonus on kill will let you spam push attacks when killing tough enemies

[drifting moon]

So let it go

[mystic belfry]

The toughness and support to allies is gravy in this case

[untold mulch]

I will still comment about it

But dont run it, simple as

[drifting moon]

if what you will give up is not worth what you will gain keep what you haven

[mystic belfry]

Marksman is good with Executionars stance and kind infilitrate, not grat with shout

But I would always Focus Target! with Target Down!

If I didn't I just wouldn't take the capstone at all

[untold mulch]

I have abandones exec stance for Infiltrate

The mobility is sooo good

[hollow turtle]

When you and the other veteran are having an unspoken competition.

[untold mulch]

Though I cant use it nearby allies

[drifting moon]

Cute

[kind scarab]

This asshat is still a whole ass room away

[drifting moon]

Cute

[untold mulch]

My friend fighting half the horde
I pop Infiltrate

My friend now with the entire horde locking on his ass

[gleaming turtle]

What perks should I throw on the Vraks III?

[mystic belfry]

Just learn regular mobiliy and infilitrate doesn't do that much for ya

[brisk umbra]

get all 3 upgrades for Focus Target

[mystic belfry]

Run shout knife

[solemn niche]

the use case is to burst down monstrosities, pretty much. I already have 30% weakspot damage so the question is should I get my focus target damage from 20 to 32 or my weakspot damage to 50 from 30

[drifting moon]

Whatever suits your playstyle

[hollow turtle]

Is trauma IV for Devil claw worth paying melk for?

[drifting moon]

Do you think it is?

[mystic belfry]

Try my suggest for one or two games, and see if you noticed the flow of extra toughness when tagging regular enemies

[untold mulch]

Nah, the seconds on being ignored, let me breach entite enemy lines with impunity love it

[mystic belfry]

it's a Big difference, and it boosts everyone in coherency too

[hollow turtle]

🤷 I don't use Devil's claw on vet, but I might use it some day.

[humble meteor]

focus target + target down kinda insane

[drifting moon]

LETS SEE THE RESULTS

[drifting moon]

Swing it let's see it

[naive hatch]

How is Headhunter/Deadly Accurate for a lasgun?

[drifting moon]

I loved it

[mystic escarp]

Ok, figured out that breakpoints with Volley Fire and an active tag could be reached even with 5 stacks

[drifting moon]

It's a good sword

[mystic belfry]

Nice :)

[drifting moon]

5 of what

[solemn niche]

i ll keep focussed fire for now, cant always headshot with krak granade and the extra damage also applies to teammates

[mystic belfry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[drifting moon]

would anyone like to experiment with a build?

[mystic escarp]

But with a 5 stacks of it (and a bonus from Redirect Fire!) it's like 10hp away from one body shot Mauler with crit 😦
Without volley fire

[drifting moon]

Do you value consistency or luck more? Would you rather be lucky or good?

[drifting moon]

Lets send it...

You have a build or you don'

t

[solemn niche]

you can kinda make your own luck though, crit chance stacking is easy on vet

[delicate moat]

why does R2 sound like chatGPT or something lol

[mystic escarp]

I am still not able to reach one body shot Mauler without a crit no matter what talents I will take

[drifting moon]

Ain't the duality of man some shit

[mystic belfry]

Brain damage

[real pumice]

Thinking about giving the stealth ability and the WS keystone a try. Any advice on that build/playstyle?

[solemn niche]

send him a capcha he might be a rogue AI

[drifting moon]

I WANNA SEND WHAT YOU HAVE

LETS GO

Stop Thoery crafting and lets FAFO

[mystic belfry]

Knife revolver

[minor brook]

how often can you guys quickplay damnation and win

[mystic belfry]

Often ish

Auric less so

[minor brook]

i have about a 33% or so winrate

[delicate moat]

this widely varies

[flint garden]

depends on the modifiers

[spark hamlet]

Did they fuck with gunner spawn rates

[delicate moat]

sometimes u get interesting teammates

[drifting moon]

I refuse to congratulate myelf

[tardy vigil]

my shout vet gets pretty good results on auric damnation

[copper parcel]

ARe the three extra stacks from Focused Fire necessary or can you live without them from that keystone node?

[minor brook]

i feel like shout vet is the most consistent

less team reliant

[naive hatch]

It gets a little sketchy going PuGs from Malice upward XD

[delicate moat]

shout vet prevents so much chip health dmg

[minor brook]

feel like im plastic without it

[real pumice]

I play Damnation only. I think I win overall about 2/3 of the time.

[copper parcel]

God I hate how little room you have with the veteran tree right now. Dire need of fat trimming

[mystic belfry]

No need, take the toughness mode though

[real pumice]

Any options other than the knife?

[drifting moon]

Let me pee, grab another beer, and switch characcters\

[copper parcel]

Oh no doubt; I was going to take that and the damage one but I wasn't sure if the three extra stacks were 'must haves'

[mystic belfry]

Achyls axe

[mystic belfry]

Not at all

[copper parcel]

I needed to find something to give up to slot in Charismatic since I run a Plasma Gun and the reload is painfully slow without Volley Adept

[opal dove]

I tried sharp shooter again after days of playing with the shout and man... I felt like I was made of glass

[real pumice]

ty

[drifting moon]

@umbral scaffold be there for me?

[mystic belfry]

Drop charismatic

It’s nice but talents are too tight to be worth it

I say this even for my full support build

[delicate moat]

there's a lot of gunners yes

[copper parcel]

I run a shout vet build with scavenger and Focus Target! Benefits a lot from a bigger aura

[spark hamlet]

because i feel like my sharpshooter niche pre patch was focus specials, then take out gunners and shotgunners

[delicate moat]

especially depends on map too

[mystic belfry]

It does, but it’s not worth imo

[spark hamlet]

now it's like hoyl shit so many scab gunners do i need to find new breakpoints so i can kill them without volley fire

[kind scarab]

Somehow we still won that

[mystic belfry]

I have three curios with 20% resistance to gunners lol

[spark hamlet]

might need to do that

[mystic belfry]

Ye

[kind scarab]

I even alt+f4'd so I could go use the bathroom when I was dead

[copper parcel]

I really hope we don't Monkeys Paw ourselves again if/when FatShark trims the fat from the Veterans tree so that there is more room for experimentation

[delicate moat]

was it enclavum baross or whatever its called, there's a hack stage with an elevator, that room has so many gunners suppressing you if you don't play aggressive and take them out

[kind scarab]

(so they wouldn't revive me while I was afk)

[spark hamlet]

the new map certainly

[drifting moon]

Anyone wanna do a run?

[spark hamlet]

ifnact i was getting shot to peices just by dregs

[drifting moon]

I'll go ogryn

[spark hamlet]

auric 5?

[drifting moon]

if you wanna break a cherry sure

[delicate moat]

the last arena is insane without either moving to corridors or having psyker bubble shield

[kind scarab]

Aurics ain't that bad tbh

[delicate moat]

you get suppressed like 5km away

[drifting moon]

My ogryn is tougness and sustain

[mystic belfry]

Defend in The elevator hallway yeah

[kind scarab]

As long as the team doesn't have a level 30+20 who's hiding a whole ass room behind the team at all times

Dying

And then waiting for us to revive him

Then aurics ain't worse than a normal damnation

[solemn niche]

honestly better to have a guy 3 rooms back rather than a guy 3 rooms ahead

rusher triggers more spawns

[kind scarab]

I'd rather have neither.

[spark hamlet]

my favourite auric 5 is vent purge sniper gauntlet

scary lasers everywhere

[mystic belfry]

There’s only one time I will rush ahead

Getting to the plane at the end

[kind scarab]

The first asshole was an Ogryn that kept overextending and triggering more and more spawns in the Hi-Int Shocktrooper

[mystic belfry]

If I get in we win

[kind scarab]

And thankfully, he Dc'd once we left his ass to die

[delicate moat]

oh u dont need the vent purge modifier, we smoke enjoyers can create that situation for you

[spark hamlet]

maybe i should use my ghost mk12

[frank ether]

its like the one place where smoke grenades have some use

[spark hamlet]

lmao

[drifting moon]

You want me or don't. I do not fucking beg

[spark hamlet]

i'm loading in

gimme like 30 mins T_T to log in and get past character select

got a voice chanel?

[frank ether]

just went through that

[vagrant narwhal]

Anyone been having any connectivity issues lately ?

[frank ether]

helbore infiltrate

no volley fire so I was spamming

that spot key

a lot

[spark hamlet]

i am john darktide with my volley fire, mg 12 and shovel

[drifting moon]

Add me lol

It would be easier lol

[karmic musk]

Assuming the Gunners try to walk past the smoke area

[frank ether]

the trick is you sit in the smoke

[delicate moat]

gunners typically will shoot at last known location

[frank ether]

you dont throw it at gunners

[spark hamlet]

my fatshark friend code is 4893601630

[delicate moat]

u just gotta move ur butt a little

[frank ether]

there are too many directions for that to work

[spark hamlet]

i think

I hope i didn't typo that

[karmic musk]

Inb4 they just stand there at their original spots and all you got was 15 seconds of no gunfire

[delicate moat]

30

[frank ether]

30 with tinkerer

[delicate moat]

imagine not taking smoke duration

throwing

[karmic musk]

Too many points

[delicate moat]

banned

[drifting moon]

Check here

[karmic musk]

pretty sure the only reason you are not vote kicked if you bring smoke grenades is if you didnt take tinkerer

[delicate moat]

i'dwager if u take smokes, u need to take tinkerer

15s smokes are a joke

[karmic musk]

blinding whole team for 30 seconds

yeah guys heres my ass, kick me

[minor brook]

god i love plasma gun but theres not enough ammo if someone has sticky fingers

[spark hamlet]

"Check here?"
ah
searched it up, found myself

[delicate moat]

my smoke build has 30s smokes, 4x nades, twin blast, demolition team

[spark hamlet]

it is indeed me

[karmic musk]

bruh

[light brook]

blinding team for 30 seconds, blinding enemy for 30
more enemy than teammate, worth

[frank ether]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1137101761002344462/1174368606071574568/nerd_photo.mp4?ex=656756fe&is=6554e1fe&hm=49cecdc1f23d5c3415f000eec548d6add0ea9f8bc651ba6326a8e139a97e4748&

[spark hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/smoker-left4dead-zombie-monster-enemy-gif-15798737

[drifting moon]

You're correcct. Check your discord friend request for somone named, "R2Doucebag".

[spark hamlet]

OH

that's what you meant

[drifting moon]

That person would be me

[spark hamlet]

fuck i'm dense

[drifting moon]

Yes mi lord

[delicate moat]

oh wait i also take the ammo pack gives smoke nades talent

[queen estuary]

Finally level 30 on my vet

[drifting moon]

My failure to recognize your popularity with the general populace gave me the impression that I was special

[spark hamlet]

anways, friend request accepted

[solemn niche]

friendzoned

[topaz lance]

new cosmetics today?

[frank ether]

I dont think this is how it works fatshark

[delicate moat]

how tf did u even notice that detail

[solemn niche]

he used executioner stance to improve his sight

[delicate moat]

dayum

[mystic escarp]

Yup

[frank ether]

now u can't unsee it, you're welcome

[balmy flume]

Smoke nades...the last night I PUG in the Carnival, some other Vet was running them.

I felt it actually helped, though ofc they had to be using them correctly in the first place

[barren hamlet]

its soul crushing when the team all die and you have to solo 50 ragers

[balmy flume]

Talking of which. Carnival map feels like it has higher special spawns - I dread to think what Shock Troop Guantlet would be like on that map...

[frank ether]

its about what you'd expect

endless specials

[barren hamlet]

dont think its the map tbh just feels like the ai director has stopped taking his meds as of late

[ebon quartz]

Worth it for this chainsword?

[woeful ibex]

Skins rotation

[dusty ferry]

would

[ebon quartz]

Yea?

[dusty ferry]

I would for rampage at least

could replace the other blessing but I would be happy with this

[ebon quartz]

What would you swap Dev strike to?

[barren hamlet]

no good perks only one good blessing usable but not the best

[dusty ferry]

Not sure really

[mystic escarp]

OH YES

FINALLY

[serene bough]

would just grab rampage if you got coins to blow

but tbh i dont bother with rampage on my chainsword bc it already does so much damage

[ebon quartz]

Wrath maybe?

[serene bough]

Wrath or savage sweep

[ebon quartz]

Yea

[urban shell]

It's been two days

are we allowed to say that the skill tree is awful

[forest yew]

do you have pics of the new pages?

[languid scarab]

I usually prefer Wrath on Chainsword, because lights have low cleave. If you use heavies often, Sweep is better.

[woeful ibex]

its the new one

[topaz lance]

Wouldn't say awful, just a bit bloated.

[languid scarab]

I think it's a huge improvement

[urban shell]

"a bit bloated"

[topaz lance]

remove 2-3 perks from each branch and we're at a much better place

[languid scarab]

The keystones are strong, but generalist build is great/better (than before)

[forest yew]

yeah but do u have pics of the new pages for each class

thanks

[woeful ibex]

ah ok

[twin ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19493502

that skin again

third karking time

[raw steppe]

ogryn skin looks like that blue guy from guardians of the galaxy

who uses assail

[vivid ocean]

im mary poppins y'all

[woeful ibex]

Now we wait another 2 weeks for skin rotation and its same old skin again

[topaz lance]

That autogun looks funny. In a good way though.

[serene bough]

the description matches its appearance

[uncut acorn]

YES! The Psyker and Zealot I've wanted!

[twin ingot]

all I want is this

[mystic escarp]

Also I love this one

[mystic escarp]

Hey we are pretty close with that helm

[twin ingot]

I own the red one but green is where its at

[mystic escarp]

And here it is, driptided

[topaz lance]

has there ever been a revolver skin actually?

[real pumice]

Tried the right hand side of the tree for the first time, with Infiltration and Weapon Skill. Felt really fun. It was just one game so I don't know if I was just with a good team or simply the revolver carrying. But it really did feel great.

[topaz lance]

don't remember

[vivid ocean]

wep spec is really good

best on volver, great on plasma

[torn gorge]

basically any gun that has high projectile damage

[real pumice]

One of the issues people have pointed out with the other two keystones is they do in some ways run contrary to what is considered good Darktide practice. I think what I like so far about Weapon Specialist is that swapping quickly between melee and ranged does feel natural.

[torn gorge]

and can swap reasonably fast

what is in the right tree contrarian to "good darktide practice"?

[real pumice]

I said the other two keystones

So the left and central

[torn gorge]

i mean middle one is rather agnostic in regards to playstyle

[gusty bison]

What is contrarian in the center?

[torn gorge]

unless you are a redditor that thinks they have to not tag to get max value on the next target

[real pumice]

People have argued that it encourages holding your tags. I don't personally agree. But admittedly the way the keystone is worded can engender that misunderstanding

[midnight mortar]

I mean, it may not encourage it directly.

But its designed so that you get higher payoffs by holding them.

So the incentive doesn't align with the endemic gameplay environment.

[gusty bison]

Kinda? It depends on the situation

[frank ether]

this game really needs some official way of recoloring this stuff

[gusty bison]

Vs gunners ur encouraged to spam

Vs bosses ur encouraged to stack

[midnight mortar]

Without paying Aquilas? Heresy!

[mystic escarp]

Yeah 😦

[torn gorge]

It really does not impact the gameplay

[karmic musk]

Alright time to ban that Quick Play for abit

[midnight mortar]

No no no, you will pay another 1400 Aquilas for a recolored asset.

[karmic musk]

I can't take so many Carnivals in a row

[gusty bison]

Lastly. Whats contrarian about the left keystone

[frank ether]

if it even exists for the specific piece you're looking for that is

[karmic musk]

Oh nice I didnt even realise I had Marksman Focus on my Laspistol build, playing the whole match just sprinting everywhere lmao

[frank ether]

the system they build for cosmetics is awful

when they could have had a goldmine

[untold mulch]

I see them deleting the good talents

So you guys don't want confirmed kill?

[karmic musk]

Iron Will removed

Survivalist removed

Grenade Stockpile removed

[torn gorge]

Veterans in shambles with iron will removed

[topaz lance]

Don't give them ideas! They could also combine some of the mid ones instead

[torn gorge]

[untold mulch]

but that would require thought

yes, i am salty

[midnight mortar]

In their eyes, they've clearly already struck gold.

[topaz lance]

Also the modifiers for the keystones need to be combined in a lot of cases

[karmic musk]

Are you guys sure Duck and Dive works with Ghost

[frank ether]

Its a 40k game whales alone will keep it afloat

[karmic musk]

Not really noticing its effect with this

[frank ether]

I dont really mind spending money but this is just one of those games where it makes you regret doing it

[midnight mortar]

Yes. And that's who they want to keep hooked/milking. So if they know whales will shell out for recolors and reskins, they'll absolutely keep it that way.

[torn gorge]

you probably have not played many games with cosmetic dlcs

[frank ether]

so I did buy a few cosmetics but quickly realized I'll have to buy recolors separately

[torn gorge]

[frank ether]

and now I now I will probably never buy anything else lmao

[torn gorge]

try your luck on diablo 4 then come back

[karmic musk]

Its win win, regular gamers pay $40+, whales pay $1000+

[drifting moon]

anyone wanna do a damnation run with me?

I am going ogryn

[midnight mortar]

I'm sure Tencent's modelling accounted for that. There's one whale out there that's paying what you would've paid tenfold.

[frank ether]

I have higher standards than playing blizzard games in 2023

[karmic musk]

heck I would say regular gamers will buy 1 or 2 cosmetics throughout their playtime on average

so its no longer $40 on avg

[torn gorge]

if anything it is a giant leap forward from their previous pricing model in v2

[frank ether]

lmao ok

[gusty bison]

Think of it this way. Someone else is paying to give you free content updates and server maintenance

[warped roost]

if you aren't rich this world isn't for you

[gusty bison]

:3

[midnight mortar]

Haha, yeah if only.

[untold mulch]

I swear why tf there are no color changes

Is 40k for fuck sake

THIN YOUR PAINTS

[gusty bison]

R u the whale >:)

[karmic musk]

Imagine being poor and still playing video games

[untold mulch]

Me

[midnight mortar]

We don't believe in the minimalist MTX model in this dojo.

[frank ether]

wouldn't be necessary in a non live-service model

[drifting moon]

I wanna eat damage

[warped roost]

It's exactly 40k, you pay for the new paint sets separatelt

[frank ether]

there are pros and cons to everything ofc

[midnight mortar]

No I moreso meant it as a "yeah as if that actually happens" because whale spending power dictates the cosmetic quality Fatshark puts out.

[torn gorge]

dlcs were bad

less consumer friendly

[midnight mortar]

Nevermind that I contribute to user engagement metrics, so I'm also contributing on Fatshark's investor earnings reports.

[gusty bison]

I think GW's assery also determines lol

[warped roost]

you think games workshop is giving paints and models out for free?

[torn gorge]

fragmenting playerbase

[warped roost]

think again dumb dumb and open up that wallet

[torn gorge]

also focusing on fewer content drops to entice players

[untold mulch]

Fatshark pulls absolute dogshit quality for 14 bucks with krieg set

Whales and fanboys buy without thought

I wonder what is the bare minimum quality acceptable now in FS?

[torn gorge]

as opposed as a more frequent stream of content available to everyone

and the optional skin you can decide you may want or not

[warped roost]

a free pearl necklace

[midnight mortar]

See that's the thing. I don't think GW has direct influence over the QA on the final product. Otherwise we wouldn't have such disparities between the Steel Legion set and Krieg set.

[drifting moon]

Anyone wanting to try a new vet build out?

[untold mulch]

I have no clue how tf GW let Krieg set pass

[drifting moon]

I am going ogryn

I wanna help you help me

[gusty bison]

Uh

Have u seen GW models?

You know.

Failcast?

GW QA is shit

[untold mulch]

Ones I've seen are very nice

[untold mulch]

But fair

i was probably only seeing the top tier

[gusty bison]

Thats cos the nice ones are the ones they put on their adverts lol

[untold mulch]

Still imo, the fact that so many bought the skin was an L to us

But oh well, gaming is only gonna keep going down down down

[karmic musk]

This cosmetic round seems weak

Wonder why they dont release the Cadian set right now when popularity is high

[midnight mortar]

For the same reason the cosmetic set from the launch trailer still isn't available despite being in the game since launch.

[solemn niche]

what reason is that

[midnight mortar]

Hell if I know.

Fatshark doesn't know either.

[sick marsh]

is the combat shotgun any good?

[midnight mortar]

They'll never admit it though.

[midnight mortar]

Which one?

[mystic escarp]

Yes

[jolly jacinth]

ofc mate

[mystic escarp]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa01a83-b37d-43de-9509-000bd4c23885/pswordbased-and-agripilled

here you go

[solemn niche]

agripinha intensifies

[minor brook]

i feel like voice of command is so much nicer than executioner stance

[torn gorge]

the dream for a shottie would be that the right capstone can reload a special round when you swap

[minor brook]

anyone else feel that way

[torn gorge]

VoC enables clutching

[minor brook]

you get access to 1 min / grenade talent easily

[solemn niche]

no

[raw steppe]

they both good

just use whichever one you like lol

[torn gorge]

also VoC blanket your whole team in extra thoughness

[grave cargo]

It’s hard not to go shouty just for the QoL stuff tbh

[torn gorge]

its kind of a nobrainer really

[gusty bison]

In general yes

[torn gorge]

ES has its place on ventilation purge maps tho

[grave cargo]

Medkits that restore corruption, krak grenades, free grenade spam

[minor brook]

like exe stance is really strong for specialist hunting

can be very absurd

[grave cargo]

Going clean middle is a pretty decent tree

And you have enough perks points left to pick up melee damage

[raw steppe]

ES also allows you to hit major BPs without huge investment

[minor brook]

but i feel like shout is so nice as a lifeline

[torn gorge]

corr cleanse is w/e, medikit healing twice is sick tho

especially with orgyns going around with 500hp

[raw steppe]

so for example, trying to hit all the 1-shot elite breakpoints on plasma is a pain with shout

[grave cargo]

Left tree let’s you kill everything as long as you’re willing to be made of glass bones and paper skin

[raw steppe]

but executioner hits them all on the baseline, and you can use the points for other stuff

[minor brook]

true

but without shout vet is just so absurdly squishy

[raw steppe]

gotta git gud

[gusty bison]

If u go right he isnt

Right vet tonk

Mid vet is kinda durable

[grave cargo]

The main issue is he’s shit at generating toughness on left and right

[gusty bison]

Left is squish

[gusty bison]

Uh what

[grave cargo]

But shit at dealing damage with middle

[gusty bison]

Right is AMAZING for toughness

Sir

[minor brook]

you guys take bigger they are or counter fire for left tree?

[warped roost]

you guys are taking keystones?

[gusty bison]

40% every 3 seconds

[grave cargo]

That’s cause you get DR

[gusty bison]

Build dependent

[grave cargo]

Not toughness generation

[torn gorge]

just weapon swap

[gusty bison]

U get tou generation

[minor brook]

i havent found a build that needs keystone

[gusty bison]

Wtf u talking about

[grave cargo]

So you really kinda wanna mix and match not do a full tree

[drifting moon]

Are any of you in chat?

[gusty bison]

Right literally has 40% toughness gen every 3 seconds

And it works with confirmed kill

[warped roost]

Yeah same no keystone is worth the investment over what you give up higher in the tree rn

[grave cargo]

I would argue specialist is worth it

[raw steppe]

lol no way

[grave cargo]

But it’s the only one

[raw steppe]

i think specialist

is def worth it

[grave cargo]

Left keystone actively sucks

[gusty bison]

Go all the way down, keystone has 20% toughness on swap. Seperate cooldowns for ranged and melee specialist

[glacial onyx]

Can't believe how brutally they hatcheted confirmed kill

[grave cargo]

Specialist is kinda

Insane

[solemn niche]

middle keystone is very low investment, if you go mid you are right there anyways

[raw steppe]

left keystone is necessary if you want to play shout plasma without taking all the ammo pickups in the game

[grave cargo]

If you want what it gives you it’s giving you everything you want

[stuck bridge]

Does opening Salvo and always prepared interact?

[solemn niche]

what does left keystone has to do with ammo

[grave cargo]

Focus fire is kinda meh

[raw steppe]

because you don't hit the 1-shot breakpoint on a lot of elites

[solemn niche]

its MOAR damage

[old quail]

playing with a shout plasma vet who eats every ammo pack even with surv is some shit