veteran-class

[tardy raft]

👍

[dusk idol]

ooft

[empty creek]

the idea

[drifting moon]

It's a feast or famine gameplay style lol

[dry quail]

Melee build vet is what I've always loved

[dusk idol]

it’s like a sign of a weapons potential

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/going-to-vomit-gif-15669269131231828557

[dusk idol]

and then you look at your 374 base rating weapon with damage dump

and sigh

[south garnet]

we're talking about a gun not batman

[dusk idol]

a big long sigh

[empty creek]

1400 damage bayonet stab

[naive hatch]

how high do these values go?

[drifting moon]

If only you had a gun...

[dusk idol]

168~

[empty creek]

dont need a gun @ that pooint

[empty creek]

WTF is the tilde 4 R U rolep;laying

Help! Help!

[dusk idol]

anyone that has a higher curio value got it when it was bugged

[wild lantern]

wtf columnus infantry auto gun have 93%-161% dmg vs unyielding ***but ***
in patch 14 it was buff to :Unyielding: 100%, 80% to 125%, 40%.
so they did "again" "another" sneaky buff ?!

[dusk idol]

it means more or less

[half wigeon]

wich agripina is the best ?

[empty creek]

the tilde goes b4

around ~168

[drifting moon]

than what? I have a couple exaulted 120s I think

[dusk idol]

same shit different smell

[dry quail]

But I play with group where damage isn't a problem. Typically just doing cc

[empty creek]

its different, i swear

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/smell-sniff-the-rock-gif-13127001

[midnight rune]

Huh, I forgot he used to have hair

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/longtime-titanic-84years-gif-5134219

[south garnet]

he looks weirder with it at this point, like bruce willis

[drifting moon]

We all saw that hairline and knew his hair was not long for his head

[dry quail]

Alright, I'm home. Gonna mess with this tree again and contemplate how I feel about it

[midnight rune]

The rock was bald before half of the playerbase for Darktide was alive, I bet

[serene sage]

I'm not that mean 😭
I am

[golden axle]

how necessary is stability for the columnus IAG?

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-us-rebecca-pearson-i-know-how-old-i-am-age-i-know-my-age-gif-17184586

[half wigeon]

wich agripina is the best ?

[drifting moon]

The one that best suits your playstyle

[dusk idol]

which agri?

[half wigeon]

i just dont like the braced

[drifting moon]

It's okay to have fun in the game and not be a meta lord lol

[dusk idol]

you could try the infantry autogun then

[naive hatch]

Thank you for answering me

[drifting moon]

I haven't used in agri in like 80 hours

[upbeat horizon]

man if I didn't have to take 7 screenshot to show you

[half wigeon]

i was having fun with recon lasgun

[dusk idol]

all goods

[drifting moon]

I enjoy that gun as well. Especially with the perk that weakspot hits don't consume ammo. If you're careful you can go a whole level without picking up ammo

[devout atlas]

Crits are not weakpoint hits mate

[dusk idol]

just imagine they are

[drifting moon]

Was it crit? I thought it was weakspot.

[dusk idol]

become an ork

it’s crit

[zealous wyvern]

finesse boosts both crit and weakspot damage

[drifting moon]

Oh well, I have a good crit chance lol

[zealous wyvern]

but they are not the same

headshot vs random crits

[drifting moon]

Yes, I understood that when I was told that 30 seconds ago lol

[zealous wyvern]

i see

[dusk idol]

hey

[drifting moon]

although, you probably didn't see it. Sorry about being petty

[serene sage]

It's okay haha. I feel you.

[dusk idol]

crits and weak spot hits aren’t the same

[zealous wyvern]

that is ok

[drifting moon]

It's not. Sometimes I just gotta move on lo

[forest blaze]

😂

[zealous wyvern]

good luck

[winter dock]

Having now tried the Focus target keystone I can confidently say its garbage

its so annoyingly difficult to maintain while providing such a small buff

its expensive to get to like the other keystones. It just not worth the points

[drifting moon]

It's okay to have a wrong opinion

[dusk idol]

buff the keystones

[vague moth]

Venting; No internet atm due to missed bill today. Was gonna try it after I got back. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1027672141551902750/1174429790732828722/image.png

[dusk idol]

shorten our tree

all vets would be happy

[winter dock]

Weapons specialist is literally broken and its still better than focus target

[south garnet]

wrong. if someone "having fun" ruins my maelstrom mission in the little baby carrot's worth of time I occasionally get to myself to game after I get home I will pour sugar in their gas tank

:^(

[pulsar drift]

I have now know

[fossil basalt]

Is focus target the ping one or the shooty one?

[vague moth]

I actually wish there was less 'travel' I had to do in all perk trees

[winter dock]

the ping one

[dusk idol]

please see a professional and seek help

[pulsar drift]

forget about patheic marksman

only melee can save vet

[dusk idol]

(I am joking)

[zealous wyvern]

bringing bad builds knowingly when entering auric or maelstrom is a waste of time

[south garnet]

I am a professional, so I don't need any

[drifting moon]

Sugar doesn't dissolve in gas use flour first of all. Second of all that sucks that people ruin your game.

[fossil basalt]

Oh. See, I thought it was the most broken ability

[pulsar drift]

is there anything here yall suggest to switch out?

[kind scarab]

I kinda disagree tbh. The middle one is just a free 12% damage boost to the whole team at all time almost. And free toughness and stamina regen that's better than anything else the tree can give. To the whole party.

[serene sage]

wait a second
this node is busted

10% melee damage?

[kind scarab]

It's probably the best support vet thing we have

[serene sage]

that's like the best filler node lol

[dusk idol]

wait what

10% melee damage?

tf

[south spindle]

So uhhhh

Agripinna Shotgun is like god tier now

[dusk idol]

no wonder melee vet feels so good

[pulsar drift]

yup

[fossil basalt]

It was always god-tier, conceptually

[serene sage]

yeah melee vet feels awesome
i always know that, but it sucks if ranged vet has to be on the sideline

[pulsar drift]

sorry for repost but nobody has responded yet

[vague moth]

Its so nice to have when also juggling the 25% other weapon talent

[south spindle]

Aye, but now it actually is in reality

[south garnet]

I was mostly kidding (mostly, mostly), I don't mind if people who don't devote time investment to a game aren't as effective and screw up or make poor choices or just aren't very good. That's most games and hobbies for me, what matters more to me is that people do try

[south spindle]

One shot breakpoint with MF against everything except Crusher and Mauler

[south garnet]

Does bug me if people throw during difficult runs or piss their pants at teammates over dumb shit

[pulsar drift]

that is acturally good

kinda confused

[dusk idol]

then keep it

[kind scarab]

What is the question even?

[pulsar drift]

I am more thinking of taking out that 10 rending something else

[south garnet]

Wasted time, even recreational, is just a bit of a bummer

[dusk idol]

asking what to swap out

[pulsar drift]

Yea I feel like the 10 rending should be switched out

but dont know whats better

[tawdry hull]

im starting to learn the cope c:

[dusk idol]

depends on what weapon you’re using

[serene sage]

that depends on your weapon then lol

[south garnet]

Does the 10 rending even stack? What am I missing with that node anyway

[pulsar drift]

revolver + power sword

so

[south garnet]

Because it's sort of a big who cares

[kind scarab]

Most of the time, you don't need the rending

[south garnet]

At face value

[pulsar drift]

i guess rly doesnt need to have it

[kind scarab]

You definitely don't need it with those

[fast scaffold]

It was probably a mistake to make so many class neutral weapons, makes it hard to balance them, I imagine that's why vet would never get a flamer

[umbral scaffold]

Previously the 10 rending was something that allowed me to one-shot flamers with the plasma

[dusk idol]

didn’t know rending applied to maniac

[pulsar drift]

weapon specialists modifers feel kinda underpowered

[winter dock]

You can't oneshot them without?

[pulsar drift]

should I take them?

[south garnet]

You either don't need the rending, or you do need the rending and probably way more rending than 10

[south spindle]

I would take the Rending node on Shovel, an then simply not run Uncanny in exchange for more upfront from Skullcrusher, but idk about on PSword

[kind scarab]

Toss out the rending and Comp urge, then grab the 30% Weakspot node

[zinc shoal]

What’s the recommend build I should use for Boltgun?

[umbral scaffold]

I like the talents allowing you more leeway with breakpoints without forcing you into recrafting the weapon

[dusk idol]

huh

[umbral scaffold]

I remember using both weakspot and rending talents in the previous tree

[dusk idol]

uncanny is 120% rending

[tawdry hull]

this is how I builded for revolver c: pretty comfy i guess

[zealous prawn]

is this good?

[dusk idol]

why would you swap out 120% rending for 10% rending

[pulsar drift]

no

[south spindle]

It is, but unless you're intending on duelling Crushers, you get more out of Skullcrusher vs the majority of targets

[pulsar drift]

flak and maniac are mandatory

[south spindle]

It was buffed, just the tooltip aint been updated

[pulsar drift]

and speedload isnt the best we can get

[south garnet]

yea this, so like - why would you ever waste a point on 10% rending when a weapon either will have its own rending, or it won't and 10% either isn't needed or won't help dig it out of being ineffective v. armor

[junior needle]

1/4 good, 2/4 scuffed, 1/4 usable but suboptimal

[pulsar drift]

there is another dmg blessing

[dusk idol]

if that was your plan I would just avoid 10% rending

[zealous prawn]

sigh, that was the last of my plasteel

[dusk idol]

save yourself a point and put it somewhere else

[kind scarab]

This'll work fine, Colum IAG has too much damage anyway and you can run a grey one and still haul ass

[warm remnant]

It's not great but it's fine

[brisk umbra]

But Target Focus is just right there 😦

[upbeat horizon]

hope you read french @serene sage

[pulsar drift]

Is this thing even usable? or should go for the 30% reload speed on elite

[umbral scaffold]

Always prepared ensures you're always prepared

[pulsar drift]

for revolver

[kind scarab]

Always prepared is better than reload

[dusk idol]

it is usable

[umbral scaffold]

It reloads 1 shot

[pulsar drift]

okay

[kind scarab]

Just QQ after each melee kill

[south spindle]

Nah, still comes into effect vs Ragers an shit, its still a useful bonus, just you're not getting more damage anywhere else in the tree thats gonna contribute as much as SC, because its basically always up on Shovel

[south garnet]

those are the only 2 nodes you need for revolver

[umbral scaffold]

You always have 1 shot if you get a melee kill

[pulsar drift]

alright

[south garnet]

oh wait and bottom

[umbral scaffold]

Considering it's revolver, 1 shot is nutty

[cosmic needle]

what are good blessings and stats on a plasma gun?

[brisk umbra]

that is OP on Revolver, passable on Plasma and meh on the rest

[pulsar drift]

thats good to know

thanks

[south garnet]

you also want the toughness

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174079259225100318/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.14_-_22.09.36.12.mp4

[south garnet]

if possible

[kind scarab]

That's how you want to play revolver

To make most use of the skill tree

[south garnet]

20% toughness regen for swapping weapons

[brisk umbra]

Get the 20% toughness under it, that's really good too

[south garnet]

lol

[dusk idol]

there’s a 25% damage boost for weapon swapping there

[south spindle]

You should have that anyway..

[dusk idol]

it’s not my build

[pulsar drift]

so 10 melee to regen?

[brisk umbra]

Now honestly, the other 3 talents there are utter garbage, and i honestly do not get them

[south spindle]

I would always be speccing that on a melee setup

[dusk idol]

they’re asking what to swap out

[pulsar drift]

10 melee to toughness regen?

[south spindle]

Ahh ok, myb

[brisk umbra]

Like, who even cares about 20% stamina and stamina cost reduction on melee

[pulsar drift]

idk but 10 melee doesnt have much break point anyway

[brisk umbra]

i really do not get that

[kind scarab]

Literally no one except people that block more than they kill

[tawdry hull]

shouldnt u shoot the mauler in the chest? i usually shoot there and 2-3 shots killing one :thonk:

[kind scarab]

Or people who spam push attacks

[pulsar drift]

ill try it out

[south garnet]

It's not all 10 to proc it, it's any kill which will proc ranged or melee expert

as soon as you wield it

[kind scarab]

Force of habit, since with my usual build I oneshot them

[brisk umbra]

we ain't psykers/zealots, our stamina regen start is popo 😦

[south garnet]

shoot one guy, take out sword, stab one guy, take out pistol

[warm remnant]

@zealous prawn Like, this is mine and it still does wonderfully:

Stripped Down superiority

[pulsar drift]

i mean 10 melee dmg node switched out to the toughness regen under the weapon specialists

[dusk idol]

it’s fine if you use deadshot and enter melee with a push attack

[south garnet]

ohhh

[pulsar drift]

10 melee dmg doesnt have big break point right?

[tawdry hull]

u guys gaming or just talking here btw?

[dusk idol]

though if you use deadshot it should be practice to enter melee swinging

[pulsar drift]

sounds very lucrative

[south garnet]

I guess that's up to taste, in that case. 10% isn't insignificant. Personally I'd probably stick with toughness tho

[dusk idol]

I am in bed

[pulsar drift]

lemme give a try

[kind scarab]

Playing stuff, and talking here

[dusk idol]

because i am sickly

[south garnet]

I don't think it hits any point breaks relative to PS or pistol

[kind scarab]

Just not playing Darktide itself

[upbeat horizon]

99% of my game time is me hitting ennemies in the shooting range

[brisk umbra]

I mean, we are so starved with points that even if the 3 other talents were slapped togheter into one, i doubt i would ever pick it

[pulsar drift]

reminds me the good olds speed run as zealot loner

[south garnet]

I'm at work so I can't play but I'm definitely not working like some kind of chump.

[pulsar drift]

(wasnt good tbh)

[dusk idol]

buff keystones and shorten vet tree

everyone would be happy

[pulsar drift]

so far

[sleek cairn]

Hey guys, what do u think of the new keystones

[pulsar drift]

I feel like only the marksman feel particular underpowered

the rest are fine

imo

[clear tendon]

i like the tag one

[warm remnant]

Stripped down lets me be where I want to be: stabbing range.

[sleek cairn]

@kind scarab and what do u think of right tree

[dusk idol]

definitely some of the keystones of all time

[zinc shoal]

What perks should I get for a Boltgun build?

[warm remnant]

I am very glad my Stripped Down has a gun attached to it

[kind scarab]

Right tree is just "We have saltzpyre at home"

It's alright

Esp if you want to do melee really fast

[sleek cairn]

You have a preference to which side then?

i do like melee on right tree a lot. Comfy

[kind scarab]

I'm leaning more to left side

[brisk umbra]

The buff keystone i'm noooooot super sold, tag is amazing (but you need all 3 talents) and the other two are situationally awesome. But the problem is always that they have to fight with actually good tallents

[kind scarab]

Mid tree is great for a support build however.

[clear tendon]

i kinda like the blessings, but i'm not sure what to replace the other perk with, unless there's another blessing you guys think would be better?

[brisk umbra]

So yeah, they could merge 1/3 of the tree

[ionic loom]

GIVE ME THOSE PLASMA GUN BUILDS RIGHT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

[empty creek]

just spent the last 40 minutes smoking crack & fighting a briuck wall time 2 play auricT5 & see if im good & if im not im blowing my house up

[ionic loom]

GIVE ME PLASMA BUILDS PLEASE

[south garnet]

You can strip down your rifle, but not your character. Glaring issue imo

[kind scarab]

Extra 36% damage for the whole team on targets like bosses? Sign me tf up.

Not to mention toughness for everyone

[pulsar drift]

basically infinite stamina for team in aurics lol

[warm remnant]

Weapons Specialist is genuinely not situational. It's just "Play Darktide" most of the time ahaha

[kind scarab]

It's like having shout on indefinitely

[ionic loom]

I NEED THOSE PLASMA BUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILDS

[brisk umbra]

even honestly spamming 5-40% toughness every 3 seconds helps a lot

[warm remnant]

I have taken off as much clothing as humanly possible, I promise.

[ionic loom]

GUYS WHO HAS THE PLASMA BUILD IN HEREEEEE

[sleek cairn]

would u not say that mid tree is... OP

[kind scarab]

Exactly. It's like infinitely maxing out your teams toughness, for all the people that are shit at the game.

[zealous wyvern]

"Hey guys, for the recon las guns, the blessings that empower the third and fourth shots in a Salvo, is that every third and fourth shot in a cycle or is that just the initial third and fourth shot?"

[dusk idol]

no I mean like

[sleek cairn]

mid tree might guarantee u faster team clears.

[dusk idol]

buff the keystones

[brisk umbra]

Oh i agree, it's just that it's really good with only few weapons, while forcing you into a lot of melee talents that are honeslty not needed if you run a PS 😦

[steady marten]

how's this

[swift ingot]

I love the stam node for the tag keystone, it helps a lot when running Deadshot

[kind scarab]

Potentially yes. On a GOOD TEAM, it'll be perfect. On shit teams, it's aight.

[midnight mortar]

A salvo is measured based on when the recoil of your gun begins to when it resets.

[sleek cairn]

on shit teams u prefer a diff tree ur saying

[kind scarab]

But my biggest problem is that it incentivises you to bind mark to left click.

Which I find is stupid.

[dusk idol]

if they buffed the keystones and shortened the vet tree, made it more compact and connected, everyone would be happy

[zealous wyvern]

so only the initial 3/4

[ionic loom]

PLASMA BUILDS LETS GO

[brisk umbra]

Now, if only you didn't have 3 points left after going straight down+survivalist it would be nice

[warm remnant]

Counterpoint: Powersword is slow and sluggish and the moment you're in a bad spot crumbles.

Chainsword loves you and will literally make you a full english breakfast every morning because you're beautiful for making the right decision.

[kind scarab]

And for that reason, I just go left tree. Cause I enjoy doing more damage, than helping my team and spamming pings.

[midnight mortar]

If you fire four shots and then let go of your mouse 1 and wait for recoil to reset completely, that is 1 salvo.

[untold mulch]

My chainsword is a relic at this point with a thirst for heretic blood

[zealous wyvern]

yeah but if you hold down it would only work on 2 bullets

[swift ingot]

I actually agree with this

[zealous wyvern]

thank you

[upbeat horizon]

playing vet like a tank or an assassin and not like a range is the way to go

[brisk umbra]

ahahah, i mean i agree that if you're not using PS then the right tree melee buffs are great on pretty much every other weapon

[warm remnant]

As it should be.

[midnight mortar]

Correct, since you're extending your salvo.

[swift ingot]

Chainsword feels more reliable in a tight spot compared to psword

[sleek cairn]

lol more scoreboard flex

[brisk umbra]

But yellow cool pings

[dusk idol]

my salvo is my magazine capacity

[kind scarab]

PS3 is fast and easy to use. Even without putting points into Melee.

[warm remnant]

Honestly, I have way too much time on Zealot to touch the Power Sword.

[zealous wyvern]

what if somebody interrupts your shooting?

[warm remnant]

I wanna just get to swinging

[brisk umbra]

God i hate my zealot

[dusk idol]

then my salvo is…

[kind scarab]

Not really. If the enemies are dead, your team is less likely to be lose toughness.

[midnight mortar]

Fatshark in their infinite wisdom has designed a talent tree system for the Veteran Sharpshooter which incentivizes them to instead prefer their melee weapon.

[dusk idol]

[zealous wyvern]

then your salvo would be your magazine that you are able to expend

[kind scarab]

Best form of healing is not needing to be healed.

[fast scaffold]

Crushlet and it shows

[zealous wyvern]

lmao

[empty creek]

the brothers

[sleek cairn]

IAG user?

[untold mulch]

Peak design

[kind scarab]

Any fast firerate gun with left tree works.

[serene bough]

who here has made a veteran sprint build

share pls

[empty creek]

no

[serene bough]

wtf why not

[iron marten]

@dusk idol yeah nah, last game on darktide convinced me

[kind scarab]

I switch between recon lasgun 6d and an IAG and my shredder autopistol

[warm remnant]

Tbf, it's just Veteran now. Sharpshooter doesn't exist anymore.

[empty creek]

dont even consider it

[iron marten]

guess I'll just wait until vet is in a better spot

[midnight mortar]

Oh the irony.

[dusk idol]

let’s fucking goooooo

[jolly jacinth]

vry sad.....

[dusk idol]

best part is that no one cares about ping on bg3

[sleek cairn]

which one gives u the best results when u want to just wreck

[iron marten]

vet goes on a wheelchair while they make damnation harder lmao

[sleek cairn]

cuz left tree + shredder auto pistol is umm

[brisk umbra]

like this is my favorite build, but it's missing 1 fucking point to get Onslaught, and it pisses me off infinitely

[sleek cairn]

how u guarantee u weakspot kill with shredder lol

[dusk idol]

felt weak with vet?

[umbral scaffold]

Maybe it's because I run plasma and power sword, but I'm honestly not feeling weak at all

[ionic loom]

can u share that tree

[iron marten]

if I don't use plasma gun, I feel weak as shit. I just hate it, bring pack patch 14 vet

[brisk umbra]

Oh you can

It's just a chill build

[warm remnant]

Zealot is also no longer Zealot: Preacher. Just Zealot.

It's cause they wanna get across the different 'themes'.

Right side Veteran is basically Catachan / Geurilla Vet. Middle is Squad Leader, Left is Sharpshooter.

[dusk idol]

lmao true

[kind scarab]

Def Colum IAG

[umbral scaffold]

Even the lack of toughness nodes spread all around the tree still had me with 210 toughness and iron will

[worthy pelican]

i run mainly autogun and i feel great

[brisk umbra]

for plasma slap Longshot and two points whererver you want

[dusk idol]

I do okay with shotgun vet

[jolly jacinth]

update 14 is the best to happened for Vet.

[dusk idol]

but def feel weaker than before

[ionic loom]

can u share that tree

[umbral scaffold]

Though plasma and power sword are like the easiest weapons right now

You can handle everything

[brisk umbra]

you can run the one i posted, slap on it Longshot and two points whever you want and you're fine

[umbral scaffold]

I'm gonna try the funny knife+revolver on the right tree

[sleek cairn]

survivalist?

[dusk idol]

even though the skill tree was broken and expensive, it felt good

[upbeat horizon]

someone has an helbore build?

[ionic loom]

can u show me that tree u use for plasma pls

[kind scarab]

Yeap

[dusk idol]

the new update didn’t really fix any of the core issues with the skill tree I feel

[umbral scaffold]

I'm trying to get back in the game, I just crashed

[neon briar]

anyone making marksman focus work on auric maelstrom with the 15 stacks instead of stacks while standing still?

[dusk idol]

which was expensive + unconnected

[kind scarab]

No

[warped robin]

when u reconnect with the tree for @ionic loom then @ me as well please 🙂

[umbral scaffold]

Oh yeah, it's even more expensive now

[sleek cairn]

damn ur one of those vets who use their gun start to finish n just clear teh room

[kind scarab]

Though it'd doable, if you use a fast firerate weapon.

It just ain't fun.

[sleek cairn]

no melee needed

[neon briar]

i tried it on bolter and it was ass

[winter dock]

So apparently

[neon briar]

might be alright on columnus but i havent tried

[umbral scaffold]

I wanted to do a melee vet with shout and some of the middle tree stuff, but it also meant screwing myself out of some good stuff from both trees

[kind scarab]

Oh I still use melee. But only for trash mobs.

[warped robin]

what was ass? :v

[kind scarab]

[neon briar]

sorry wrong reply

[kind scarab]

And I don't run out of ammo the whole mission, don't need pickups

[neon briar]

tried the 15 stack marksman focus on bolter and it was ass lol

[sleek cairn]

the thing is, wouldnt ur left keystone upkeep be stronger if u shoot trash mobs too

[warm remnant]

Also, the left side actually hits some REALLY nice breakpoints on the Columnus IAG. And some very good ones on the Agri IAG.

[neon briar]

think youd need a high rpm weapon for sure

[kind scarab]

Your mistake was using a slow firerate weapon

[sleek cairn]

columnus IAG mobility is good enough to never swap to melee if u wish

[neon briar]

yeah

[dusk idol]

what

[neon briar]

im not sure ifi tll be any good on columnus either though

[kind scarab]

Don't need the upkeep since I have camo.

[neon briar]

im gonna try it out though

[warm remnant]

My success has been on faster RoF weapons, but also the Vraks III HH / single shot Vraks

[kind scarab]

Camo + 1 HS kill usually will max you out to 10 stacks anyway

[neon briar]

how many stacks are you able to keep up in a typical fight?

[sleek cairn]

oh my fucking god i never thought abotu melee + camouflage, that's awesome doc

[kind scarab]

If you're using good movement tech's you can keep your stacks while going around the room as well

[ionic loom]

Has someone found a good damage dealing bolter gun tree with stance ?

[sleek cairn]

are u using shout

[kind scarab]

Camo lets you dodge around teh room if you're crouched, to keep your stacks while in melee

[kind scarab]

Nah

Ex stance, so I can see and steal all the kills

[umbral scaffold]

@ionic loom @warped robin

[neon briar]

oh wow you dont lose stacks while dodging if you crouch?

lmaooo

[warm remnant]

Depends on the fight. Usually enough to hit breakpoints like 1 tapping dreg gunners, Bombers, flamers, trappers, etc. without Stance with the Agri IAG.

[warped robin]

pogU

[kind scarab]

If you have Camo

[sleek cairn]

man wtf u thirsty lol

[scenic bronze]

omg theres a vent cool on plasma x.x

[neon briar]

it looks/feels really stupid though lmfao

[worthy pelican]

camo should imo be backed into the keystone

[dusk idol]

lol

[worthy pelican]

it feel so wonky without it

[umbral scaffold]

I'm tempted to say that getting the right tree stuff at the end is more flavour than anything because the power sword already fucks without them

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174113941589344356/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.15_-_00.27.37.22.mp4 @neon briar

[neon briar]

alright nice, ill try it out on iag

[kind scarab]

As you can see

[umbral scaffold]

And the weakspot on the left would benefit both plasma and power sword

[dusk idol]

have you been reloading to vent heat?

[kind scarab]

You can literally just go around the whole map like this, without losing stacks

[warm remnant]

To answer more directly: 12-15 in good fights, but when forced into melee they all vanish away. Otherwise 8+ pretty comfy.

[kind scarab]

Just... fight while crouched

No stacks lost

[scenic bronze]

Always just left clicked to cool 😄

[dusk idol]

hahah

[neon briar]

god i wonder how this looks to your teammates lmao

[swift ingot]

Thoughts on my setup and weapons? I’ve been really enjoying this build so far

[dusk idol]

true enough I guess

[umbral scaffold]

It also means I don't get the melee damage above the movement aura, which honestly might be a better choice than crit chance and finesse

[fast scaffold]

That's the way to go if you have gets hot though

[umbral scaffold]

Or rather, a more consistent one

[neon briar]

8+ is pretty good, if i could do that consistently it would probably be worth over camo

[dusk idol]

not the Han Solo blaster 💀

[neon briar]

and have the option to get 15 stacks in the bigger fights

[sleek cairn]

@kind scarab alright i'll spec a loadout after your scoreboard cheese. Sounds fun

if i had a point to decrease other ppl' dmg, i'll take it

[untold mulch]

I have given up on keystones the bit I played

[kind scarab]

You do have that

[swift ingot]

Wdym?

[sleek cairn]

wait wut

[kind scarab]

It's called smoke grenades and ex stance

[sleek cairn]

HAHA my god ur so toxic lol

[kind scarab]

Can't kill what they can't see

[dusk idol]

your laspistol

The DL44

[swift ingot]

Yeah

[sleek cairn]

demoralize ur teammates through scoreboard

[swift ingot]

I love me Laspistol

[dusk idol]

it’s Han Solo’s blaster pistol

[swift ingot]

I know

[kind scarab]

They can't see the scoreboard anyway

You should only be using it to gauge how well builds work for you

Nothing else

[dusk idol]

💀 this has to be tech heresy

somehow

some way

[warm remnant]

Videos of full fights are a bit chonky (but I have a few), but this is a good example of how fantastic the breakpoints are:

[sleek cairn]

i dont even have damage turned on for it. only downs/netted/dogs/plasteel

[glass obsidian]

After the changes, which main attribute curios are the best?

[sleek cairn]

but with your build, i'd turn it on to see how troll ur tree gets

[kind scarab]

Same as before

[umbral scaffold]

And this is what I'm doing with the right tree at the moment

[untold mulch]

I can't physically make myself stay still so much

[umbral scaffold]

Maniac and some other stuff is necessary to one-shot dreg ragers on a headshot crit, but the goal with revolver is unarmored and maniac to get the dreg gunners too

[swift ingot]

Thoughts on the build?

[dusk idol]

none of the keystones are my play style, or do they encourage how I like playing so I don’t use any of them

[warm remnant]

Oh, I hate it. But I was only not moving because I didn't need to. I have footage of my moving plenty.

I actually hate ranged play

[sharp tinsel]

why play veteran on darktide when the true GOAT game comes out in 2 days

[drifting moon]

You forgot ragers armored or not also go down quick

[warm remnant]

I did that run just to make a point.

[fast scaffold]

Ur iag isn't California compliant

[livid lichen]

Chainswordin' like a lunatic!

[warm remnant]

I MUCH prefer melee play

[umbral scaffold]

I can one-shot them point blank without longshot, but at a longer distance I need it (which I guess is why it's there)

[warm remnant]

California can eat my toast

[umbral scaffold]

Anything goes down quick with a revolver tbh

[untold mulch]

My laspistol tree

[dusk idol]

looks good

[swift ingot]

Tag keystone is the one I’ve been enjoying the most

[livid lichen]

After finding out revving the chainsword also works for a powerered up push followup I go ham

[kind scarab]

Toast is great, and for that reason I shall steal your toast before Cali gets it

[swift ingot]

Takes me back to playing WHC in VT2

[untold mulch]

Tag looks somewhat decent

Melee specialist is kinda awkward though some weapons really will shine with it

Marksman I still stand is antithesis to gameplay or what weapons you should be using in the marksman

[neon briar]

thats vraks 7?

[dusk idol]

I would take tag if it weren’t expensive

[gusty sonnet]

No shout 🤨 thus no commissar roleplay 🤨 opinion discarded 🥱

[kind scarab]

Right capstone and left capstone are both doing what the other should be doing

[sleek cairn]

@kind scarab deadshot Columnus? 🙂

[rough igloo]

Love me tag

Simple as

[untold mulch]

I clutched so hard twice in a row using Infiltrate

I am in love

[kind scarab]

Nah, no deadshot. You don't need that

[swift ingot]

My man 🤝

[untold mulch]

Yep

The one that should help slow firing, is helping fast fire

and viceversa

peak fatshark

[livid lichen]

My next tag: YOU

[gusty sonnet]

Yuck no. Agri IAG if you really want deadshot.

[dusk idol]

if I ever see a melee vet crouching in melee and dodging I might just leave the game

[midnight mortar]

Really makes you wonder if any playtesting was done at all.

[untold mulch]

But goddamn Infiltrate felt so good, to allow myself to move where I wanted and have 10 seconds on -90 threat, letting me clean up the hard to hit gunners

[umbral scaffold]

From what I'm reading of the marksman keystone, it would benefit from not messing you up if you move

[untold mulch]

My stacks

[livid lichen]

Why dodging?

[dusk idol]

muh stacks

[crisp bronze]

What perks should I use on my Power Sword 6?

[swift ingot]

Flak and maniac

[dusk idol]

apparently crouch dodging lets you keep your marksman focus stacks

[livid lichen]

Huh o.o

[untold mulch]

There is playtesters, so I assume is Fatshark brain

[dusk idol]

and I absolutely abhor the idea of movement while looking like a crab

[swift ingot]

Hank is one of them

[kind scarab]

Crouch dodge meta

[midnight mortar]

Unfortunately Fatshark seems to believe that is the entire incentivizing premise for the talent to be built upon. The "cost" as it were for the minimal power gain that only really benefits rapid fire weapons.

[neon briar]

oh shit, crouch dodge lets you keep your stacks even if you take the 15 stack talent instead of camoflauge

[kind scarab]

What?

That's entirely a bug.

[neon briar]

yeah try it lmao

[kind scarab]

I love it

[untold mulch]

I will try not to shittalk Vet playtesters and assume is just Fatshark being shit

[midnight mortar]

🤣

[neon briar]

it's too impractical to use in a real game though lol

[dusk idol]

I think crouch dodging as a whole may be a bug

[warm remnant]

But yeah, left tree keystone lets the Agri IAG 1 tap shooters at all distances, 1 tap gunners / flamers / with Stance, 1 tap trappers / chaff / shotgunners without it, and really improves your Crusher TTK so much that you don't even need rending.

Also, I always mix my Vraks up. Oops.

c:

[fast scaffold]

Hank only plays ogryn

[livid lichen]

Why not have saved loadouts/builds? Far easier to swap on the fly between missions

[sleek cairn]

because ur commited to steal kills like Doc

[kind scarab]

Nah, it's supposed to be part of the Camo perk

[sleek cairn]

u gotta get in to the grindset

there are no other loadouts

[dusk idol]

camo perk only says crouch walking

[kind scarab]

Cause camo allows you to keep stacks no matter what you do while crouched

[dusk idol]

not dodging

[gusty sonnet]

I guess thats fine. We have deadshot for slow hard hitting weapons and the keystone for fast peashooters

[calm shard]

ngl deadshot is also good on fast weapons but you have to run duck and cover over on the right

[kind scarab]

Nono. The code for Camo is supposed to negate stack loss as long as your character is in the crouched state.

So crouch dodge should be fine

[neon briar]

huh those 1 taps on an iag sounds pretty strong, i should try my agri for a few games instead of columnus

[kind scarab]

It working on the 15 stacks sounds like a bug tho

Dunno how that happened

[topaz lance]

I tried to like Vraks VII with the marksman keystone and it does work.
But I ended up going back to revolver anyways..

[tall torrent]

Maniac + carapace?

[warm remnant]

Columnus does have great breakpoints, too. Fantastic, even! But the problem wit hthe Columnus is it's harder to control and worse at precision fire (and has to get stacks to really pop off)

[swift ingot]

Or you could run the left add on for the tag keystone, unless you don’t want to spec into it

[dusk idol]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they changed it, but this is fatshark we’re talking about

they still somehow have not fixed takedown yet

[zinc nest]

lmao an ogryn thought i was cheating cause i could ping the same enemy multiple times with tag keystone

[untold mulch]

is too hard to add -

[midnight mortar]

The problem is that deadshot should be on the right side if the idea was to syngerize it with the keystone that also benefits those types of weapons.

[untold mulch]

• since when
• does this
• exist?

[midnight mortar]

Instead it's on the far left.

[fleet garden]

Any concensus on what the to go build is now? I want to waste spend my plasteel

[untold mulch]

Just ñlearned a discord chat feature

[midnight mortar]

You were unaware of the sacred texts?

[untold mulch]

I know of this one

• but didnt this

[calm shard]

bro doesn't know

[fast scaffold]

Product of a bygone era of pre patch 13

[slow spade]

do not worry comrade, ignorance is strength

and you're very strong c:

[calm shard]

imagine not knowing all the weird text shit tbh

[midnight mortar]

A shame the rework didn't notice it.

[untold mulch]

[swift ingot]

Any Laspistol enjoyers?

[untold mulch]

I do that one with the mouse :KEKW_ogryn:

[fleet garden]

kkomrade 🫡

[leaden grove]

any one else had a laz pistol in there mouths since keystone update?

[worthy pelican]

melee spec gang gang

[slow spade]

UwU

[dusk idol]

your blaster is missing the big fuck off scope

[quasi dust]

||wait till he finds out about slash commands||

[untold mulch]

I have used laspistol in my hands with infiltrate to be an absolute menace

[slow spade]

`The update buffed the strongest Vet builds lol

[untold mulch]

the waht

[slow spade]

so Revolver, Plasma, and Melee vets are reliable picks

[zinc osprey]

looks pretty decent

[compact knoll]

Is that a skin?

[swift ingot]

Not an option sadly, maybe there’s a plug-in I’m missing

[swift ingot]

Mod

[zinc osprey]

Infiltrator with shotgun or columnus is too.

[compact knoll]

Aaaah, ty ty

[dusk idol]

update your weapon customisation mod

there’s new scopes

[fleet garden]

what do you want on revolvers, surgical and ?

[compact knoll]

Also yeah, I like the laspistol

[fleet garden]

cuz the reload speed is so awful

[quasi dust]

just hit a / before typing and it gives you all sorts of options. from bot controls to formating stuff

[compact knoll]

I run that with heavy chainsword with Zealot

[sharp brook]

All I want to do is play a guardsman with his lasgun. FatShark why u hate me?

[compact knoll]

Mainly for speed.

[slow spade]

Surgical + Handcannon, use Weapon Specialist for reloads

[zinc osprey]

I keep seeing ppl say smoke grenades are bad. I dont understand why

[leaden grove]

i mean like suckin on the barrel and playing with the trigger

[untold mulch]

Ohhhh those

[zinc osprey]

does anybody know why

[sharp brook]

They should stun and pop instantly.

[slow spade]

because shredders for revive and synergy with ogryns + Zealots

Kraks are krakked

[kind scarab]

You kinda don't need surgical if you going weapon spec tbf

[untold mulch]

I know, I personally have ignored the keystones and only play when friends want to play

[slow spade]

oh right I forgot that

[kind scarab]

As long as you getting melee kills all the time

[slow spade]

I was just parroting the blessings lol

[untold mulch]

If Patch part 2 doesn't gives good shit, oh well

[quasi dust]

imo they obstruct our view so much its debilitating

[midnight mortar]

Have you tried them out by chance and compared them to frags and kraks?

[kind scarab]

But for being able to use the revolver on any build. Def surgical + rending

[winter dock]

Marksmans focus is such a fucked keystone

optimal playstyle is to use a shovel to get dodge distance and then crabwalk everywhere

[kind scarab]

Nono, you don't crabwalk

You dodge

[quasi dust]

the idea of smoke grenades is great, and they are super useful. but the smoke is too heavy sometimes

[zinc osprey]

Synergy? Smoke does that too. It is great for stopping shooters

[midnight mortar]

Crabdodge.

[sharp ember]

does crabdodging keep stacks?

[midnight mortar]

New meta.

[winter dock]

s'what I mean yeah

[untold mulch]

Yes

[slow spade]

using Smoke grenades is a great way to learn the argument of "Cover vs Concealment"

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[swift ingot]

@compact knoll I started running Laspistol to larp as a commissar and it just became my normal play style on vet, also this is my old drip before the commissar gear dropped and after

[sharp ember]

[winter dock]

Its just so stupid

[fleet garden]

crabwalk gang

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174113941589344356/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.15_-_00.27.37.22.mp4

You're welcome

[untold mulch]

💯

[fleet garden]

shovel with revolver is the ultimate playstyle

[winter dock]

Every single keystone is fucked

[slow spade]

woops wrong reply lol

[winter dock]

Focus target you gotta bind ping to primary fire

[slow spade]

ping keystone is fine

[zinc osprey]

that's fair. Gunners will still spray

[midnight mortar]

It's alright. I knew what you meant.

[winter dock]

Weapon spec literally doesn't even work as intended

[sharp ember]

crab vet meta

[slow spade]

I blame Discord D:

[winter dock]

and marksman focus needs you to be a rabbit-crab hybrid

[kind scarab]

Weapon Spec is literally just "We have Saltzpyre at home"

[untold mulch]

You may not like it

But this is peak Veteran performance -

[kind scarab]

[midnight mortar]

In the end we all truly were Tiny Angry Crabs...

[untold mulch]

I assume TinyCrab is responsible for this

[dusk idol]

blame him

even if he’s innocent

[kind scarab]

Honestly. The whole damn tree is just "We have Saltzpyre at home"

[untold mulch]

The false prophet has betrayed us once more 😔

[compact knoll]

I gotta do what I can with the unlockable stuff for now, we can run stuff if you want, my code is right on my name

[dusk idol]

because if he’s innocent he’s guilty of wasting my time

[minor brook]

how does onslaught work? can i apply onslaught with my shotgun instantly?

[slow spade]

Saltzpyre is a fun char but we could try some creativity UwU

[dusk idol]

no

[untold mulch]

Ngl, I hope he is alright, haven't seen him in a while

[kind scarab]

Saltzpyre is better than this mess tbf

[sharp ember]

shotgun only counts as 1 hit

[topaz lance]

+huntsman Kruber

[minor brook]

damn

[quasi dust]

innocence proves nothing!

[slow spade]

crabs don't live long :c

[minor brook]

so its onslaught not worth

[midnight mortar]

He apparently took a break from Discord for a while.

[slow spade]

indeed :c

[dusk idol]

he was in one of telopots recent videos

[slow spade]

try going fishing, you might see the tiny crab

[warm remnant]

He's fine, dw

Still being a memelord nerd

[sharp brook]

Btw how do you guys map dodge on your KB/mouse to best enable dodge sliding?

[kind scarab]

This sums up left keystone

[swift ingot]

Maybe another time

[kind scarab]

This sums up right tree

[compact knoll]

Sure thing

[warm remnant]

Space dodge.
C jump.
Me cry.

[untold mulch]

😭 gone too soon

[hollow turtle]

Who hurt you?

[slow spade]

Gone to big fishtank in the sky 😔

[untold mulch]

Oh, good

[untold mulch]

Nice

[hollow turtle]

He's not just a TinyCrab anymore. He's a KingCrab. 😔

[zinc osprey]

but Focus target will do more damage with full stacks

[warm remnant]

Me.

[minor brook]

im still running no capstones

i dont like any of them on shotty

[untold mulch]

mood

[dusk idol]

16 seconds for full stacks 💀

[slow spade]

isn't shotgun a weakspot build?

[untold mulch]

Same, they aren't worth for me except maybe tag one

and my friend runs the tag one

so no need

[kind scarab]

Takes too long to build up stacks, and at max damage potential. You can have at best 24%+12% damage to the team

[hollow turtle]

I was running with the marksman focus capstone for a while, but I figured if I just moved my 3 points to a few other nodes, its almost as though I have full stacks active all the time.

[dusk idol]

yes but don’t need keystones for it

[junior needle]

Probably not gonna run any of them on my lazy mg4 las build either.

[slow spade]

such is life

[zinc osprey]

Yeah, that's fine. You don't need full stacks to hit breakpoint.

[warm remnant]

Jokes aside, it's actually fine when you get used to it.

[untold mulch]

Guys, this keystone update is amazing I swear

[light brook]

crab was too powerful, had to be snipped

[kind scarab]

You don't need that capstone to hit any breakpoints.

It's a support node.

[fast scaffold]

You need to dodge far more often than you need to jump, kark souls brains

[slow spade]

Vet with all 3 keystones when?

[dusk idol]

I wonder if tag lets zealot one shot bosses

[zinc osprey]

not how I use it with the plasmagun lmao

[kind scarab]

It's still a support node, regardless of how you use it

[slow spade]

most likely seeing as they're already pretty close

[junior needle]

It supports your breakpoints too

[zinc osprey]

Why is it a support node?

[junior needle]

[kind scarab]

Yes

[warm remnant]

I think the only one Zealot doesn't 1 tap is Plogryn... Which it might, yeah

[fast scaffold]

The "hey check this out" button

[sharp ember]

is that a recon build

[kind scarab]

My guy, literally the main node and all three subnodes are made to benefit your team.

How is it NOT a support capstone?

[junior needle]

deadshot seems to say no but

[dusk idol]

laspistol

[untold mulch]

Laspistol

[kind scarab]

Main node? Damage to your team. Bottom right? More damage to your team. Bottom middle? More damage to your team. Bottom left? Healing for your team.

The whole middle capstone is a support node.

[sharp ember]

with Onslaught? interesting

[zinc osprey]

Do you consider brittleness a support blessing?

[untold mulch]

I am thinking if to drop it

[kind scarab]

Yes, because that's what it is

[untold mulch]

Or if it really noticiable when the chunky train is in town

[dusk idol]

it supports me in deleting crushers

[kind scarab]

Does it benefit you? Yes. But it's still a support node. Since it supports your team.

[untold mulch]

Crushers rn are my weakspot

[junior needle]

It's not purely a support node, I think is the point

[drifting moon]

lol

[kind scarab]

it's either a support node, or a node for you only.

[junior needle]

Pure support would be benefitting others even if you don't get anything.

[sharp ember]

yeah i think laspistol fires too slow to get Onslaught value, and crits will carry most of range/armor problems

[junior needle]

Or if you only get a very marginal benefit from it

[slow spade]

also most of the support stuff helps you too

[kind scarab]

I don't think there's a single thing like that in the game

[slow spade]

so not bad in general

[fast scaffold]

Ie shout revive

[daring peak]

^

[kind scarab]

Wait till they let you shout while you're downed, to pick yourself up

[fast scaffold]

Or the highlight enemies for exec

[kind scarab]

[untold mulch]

Every bit helps when you have 4 Crushers on top of you

[zinc osprey]

So if other people can take advantage of it then it's support? Then it's like Zealot's incendiary grenade. So it still does a ton of damage.

[kind scarab]

I forget that one exists, cause it's useless to me

[untold mulch]

Needs self motivation quotes then

Cadia stood, I need to do the same

[slow spade]

it lets your team see the sea of yellow gunners in the back uwU

[dusk idol]

Cadia fell dumbass stay down

[kind scarab]

Exactly. Zealots Incin grenade is a support utility. Since it makes a large area that's safe for y'all to fight in.

[fast scaffold]

It used to be bioptic targeting or demo team, wasn't a hard choice then either lol

[untold mulch]

Cadia took a Blackstone Fortress on its way out

Respect

[junior needle]

Which is good, because selfless support playstyles that make you rely on teammates suck. League taught me this well. But just like "viable" means many different things, people tend to view support in the same way.

Usually it's "you don't do much yourself but boost others in your stead" which you get from moba games and overwatch.

[polar breach]

Legit I like it cuz it highlights the fuckers sitting in the dark

[dusk idol]

me in the corner doing morale breaking behaviour

[zinc osprey]

Yeah, so not only is it giving me a huge damage buff, it is giving the team one too. That is awesome

[kind scarab]

Yeah nah that sort of "support" mostly shouldn't belong in videogames. Since it removes lots of pressure from on you to perform well, while leaving the burden on others. While also making you the scrapegoat for if they lose

Cause hurrdurr

You didn't support me enough

[dusk idol]

is assail a support ability since it staggers enemies it hits?

[fast scaffold]

There were so many people last patch saying "it's so much better to revive someone on an increased cool down and reduced aoe vs ignoring pox bursters, snipers, and bosses for free"

[sharp ember]

i'd pour one out for cadia and have at them with a combat axe or psword

[charred scarab]

shooting my gun is a support ability bc it lets other people hit breakpoints

[dusk idol]

I want to play a support

[kind scarab]

It's giving everyone a buff. Cause it's a support skill.

[zinc osprey]

Yeah. Brainburst is a support ability cause it prevents damage. So you're basically a heal class.

[kind scarab]

[brisk umbra]

again, the aoe reduction is only for the stagger

[kind scarab]

No, assail is just a damage skill, staggers are useless

[fast scaffold]

Regardless it was dogshit in comparison

[untold mulch]

[dusk idol]

staggers are useless

[kind scarab]

Smite is a support skill

[torn gorge]

hes totally fine, he'll be back at some point

[kind scarab]

On assail, yes

[foggy terrace]

just run stealth and revive people and dodge bosses regardless ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brisk umbra]

honestly i don't even know what you're comparing the ress too, but i prefer making sure that people understand that the reduced AOE is a meme >_>

[dusk idol]

but it staggers, provides support

[fast scaffold]

Res vs + 100 over toughness last patch

[dusk idol]

support ability

[kind scarab]

That's not how that works. No.

[brisk umbra]

I mean, nobody in their right mind even said to not get the toughness too

[kind scarab]

Smite is a support skill, because it increases team damage and it stuns everything.

[junior needle]

I’m inclined to agree, although some people enjoy the relatively healbot role. I find it relaxing to just not give a fuck on occasion and say “oh well I pulled my weight as the healbot, whatever happens is on everyone else”.

[untold mulch]

[kind scarab]

Staggers are not honestly that great

[zinc osprey]

Ogryn Big Bomb is a support ability because it helps teammates revive downed ppl

[rain crane]

can someone explain what the rightclick on plasma is for?

[fast scaffold]

Wasn't it an either or upgrade?

[zinc osprey]

more damage

[brisk umbra]

no, always been a you can pick both. Edit: If it was an either or then yeah, 50 toughness all the time

[winter dock]

with 15 stacks focus target the Kant 12 will oneclip any monstrosity assuming you're precise enough to consistently weakpoint

[kind scarab]

No, that's just a damage ability

[dusk idol]

are you saying in general or on assail

[kind scarab]

Y'all being big smoothbrains ngl

[zinc osprey]

hold it down for a long time to do Big Damage

[kind scarab]

On assail

[rain crane]

i left click while im holding right click right

[kind scarab]

Not every weapon is meant for the stagger role. For example. Crusher is a great stagger + damage weapon.

If you use it right, it's a great support melee weapon.

[zinc osprey]

But it supports my team?

[kind scarab]

Since it'll effectively stun the whole ass room.

[brisk umbra]

I still can't deal damage with a perfect Crusher

[junior needle]

Kinda annoying to build up 15 stacks though, as it’s mutually exclusive with the “gain stacks for standing still or crouch walking”

[brisk umbra]

I see a friend of mine spam left click and deal 2x my damage and i'm left baffled

[zinc osprey]

have you tried its push attack?

[brisk umbra]

Ye i spam that

[drifting moon]

So are dps items support items because me killing things faster supports the team?

[winter dock]

Yes but thats why you crabwalk. Get to 15 stacks, never lose them. Just dodge while crouching

[zinc osprey]

it's like future profits. you're doing future healing

[spark helm]

just fucking stop obsessing over the big fucking number and pace yourself with your shots. Actually push yourself to make them count

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-stonk-stonks-meme-stonks-guy-stonks-meme-guy-gif-9875488877428024970

[spark helm]

It's actually too silly at this point

[junior needle]

Sounds like nauseating tedium

[torn gorge]

click heads and dont use charged attacks too much

[winter dock]

Bring a shovel

just as fast as everyone else

[dusk idol]

i’d rather shit blood

[fast scaffold]

Shoulda been a psyker keystone if that was the goal

[spark helm]

It's fine.

[vivid bolt]

This is a fun lil debate to watch

[spark helm]

Been running around in auric 5s with my infantry tag build. I don't even need the full stacks. ~6 (which is barely anything to me) I'm just moving between my shots and getting my tempo up

[kind scarab]

Idk what y'all not understanding. If it's a thing that provides consistent: Damage buff, Healing, Area Control. For your team. It's classifies as support.

[spark helm]

Stop fucking missing

[drifting moon]

Just pick a point behind your team and don't move lol. It isn't that hard

[kind scarab]

It's really that simple

[spark helm]

They're glowing yellow

jesus

[brisk umbra]

I rarely do it, just for single target heavy smash sometimes. Like honestly, i don't really get why

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-hynes-hynies-ding-ding-ding-we-have-a-winner-its-christmas-eve-gif-19820176

[brisk umbra]

In the end i still love that whiffle bat with insane CC

[dusk idol]

don’t forget area denial or defence

[drifting moon]

stop giving warning shots and the left build is great

[zinc osprey]

your definition has been vague and we're just having a laugh

[dusk idol]

psyker shield

[spark helm]

like dude fr left tree just now has you changing your gunplay based on your gun

[kind scarab]

Area control is the same as both those

[junior needle]

In what world do your teammates cover you from melee while you're trying to handle shooters/elites/specials for them?

[spark helm]

that's what it feels like so far., I haven't gotten some solid autoguns but that's whatever because I don't care about them for my tag anti-shooter builds

lol

[junior needle]

Also things spawn behind you with regularity

[spark helm]

The one where they aren't completely dumbn

[junior needle]

Must be bizarro world

[drifting moon]

You gotta play around your team. IDK what to tell you dude. There are 3 other classes that specialize in crowd control

[spark helm]

You can turn around, place yourself in better positions independent of your team and still put in the work.

You have to actually fucking think dude.

That's it

[brisk umbra]

As if shit doesn't spawn behind you anyway

[junior needle]

And all of them choose not to be team players

[drifting moon]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-damn-it-this-is-too-hard-too-hard-this-is-hard-gif-26564961

[junior needle]

Yeah, I'll do that without the added tedium of managing stacks, thanks.

[spark helm]

Put your back against walls that aren't going to be scaled for example and position yourself where you can actually see most if not every enemy between line of sight, cover points and corridors.

[zinc osprey]

the ones where I am their frontline :3

[dusk idol]

is a shredder frag grenade a support grenade?

or is it a damage grenade

[spark helm]

Okay then fucking don't and stop crying about ONE fucking keystone you don't even want to use

[zinc osprey]

Yes

[zinc osprey]

yes

[spark helm]

yall so fucking crybaby it's actually annoying

[torn gorge]

[zinc osprey]

Kyo I hope I have helped u

[dusk idol]

thank you

[spark helm]

been trying this out for hours since I got the chance

[brisk umbra]

I mean, i agree with Soldier that trying to play in Auric with marksman feels utterly terrible in QP where nobody gives a shit and you can't stand still a second

[spark helm]

vet is still stable

[junior needle]

I think you're taking this much too seriously and need to relax a bit rather than strawmanning and insulting people for having a differing opinion and experience.

[brisk umbra]

Because the two zealots decided to rush 3 rooms ahead going "BRRRRRRRR"

[drifting moon]

not crying about things you don't wanna use?

[hollow turtle]

Lol I'm going to have to agree with Kery on this one. It's really not that hard to make a new build.

[winter dock]

o.O with 15 stacks of focus the Boltgun very nearly oneclips a plogryn if it has cavalcade

[serene sage]

you suport by doing damage

[drifting moon]

Ive been saying that for the last couple hours lmao

[kind scarab]

Both, since it stuns the whole area for very long

[zinc osprey]

woahhhhh

That's good to know

[kind scarab]

It also feels like it doesn't do either job really well tbh

[hollow turtle]

I'm glad there's a few of us who seem to actually enjoy the new tree anyways.

[fair epoch]

What's a good set of blessings for Chainsword for vet

[winter dock]

Oh but it HAS to be headshot

bodyshots don't do shit to a plog

[serene sage]

i am crying about it fuck you gonna do

[winter dock]

not that headshots are particulary tough with a boltgun but all the same

[spark helm]

I watch people in pubs. I carry my pubs. I don't outdamage big dps, but I do my job and actually clear people with guns. That's what I like to do. Nothing about the new focus mechanic really fucks with my ability to do that at all. Only thing that changes is flexibility on guns that I just haven't actually gotten used to so I can't talk too much on it

[umbral scaffold]

My understanding is that they intended to make it benefit slower weapons when standing still or getting those sweet kill shots

[spark helm]

But bruh two days in a row and the same mfkers are OBSESSED with marksman focus and stand still

[umbral scaffold]

Camouflage, for example

[spark helm]

Dude, you can literally keep stacks between shots. Tell you me you can't aim without telling me you can't aim

[zinc osprey]

Slower like the helbore?

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah

[fair epoch]

What to swap, just got this off a mission complete

[zinc osprey]

Nice

[serene sage]

I play to farm scoreboard 😳

[junior needle]

That is nice, I'm glad you're enjoying it within the bounds of your personal preference. Calling people "crybabies" because they think something is poorly designed or adds unnecessary tedium for them personally is excessive and not productive.

[hollow turtle]

I'ts pretty easy to get headshots in hipfire too.

[zinc osprey]

ranges crit for flak armor damage imo

Serious answer

[spark helm]

Imma call mfkers crybabies when there's only one thing being harped on that is the most inconsequential thing

[umbral scaffold]

Ideally you'll get a headshot kill because of the sheer power of your single shot, get 3 stacks, get the 3 seconds window because of the headshot kill and chain that

[spark helm]

It's goofy as fuck and empty as hell

[torn gorge]

its just a psychological effect, people see max X stacks so they assume it is balanced around having said stacks all the time

[zinc osprey]

you're super pressed abt a game bruh

[spark helm]

sort of

[serene sage]

okay so crack head theory
Tinkered frag will kill a lot of things
Out for Blood will regen 3.5% for each target killed

[umbral scaffold]

And depending on how camouflage stacks, which I haven't tested, you might just do the whole Counter-Strike thing of releasing the movement key for a bit, fire, and keep moving

[dusk idol]

2.5 isn’t it?

[serene sage]

is this potentially OP?

[umbral scaffold]

Actually, I'm gonna do that and test this keystone

[zinc osprey]

what's the regen for? Toughness?

[serene bough]

assuming people don't killyour bleeding adds before your bleed does

[drifting moon]

It isn't poorly designed because you don't like to play it.

[zinc osprey]

you want a duo?

[umbral scaffold]

I have a soft spot for the stuff people shit on

[dusk idol]

shredders are unfortunately weaker than ever with consistent nerfs to what it does

[kind scarab]

^

[dusk idol]

though still decent for stagger

[fair epoch]

And I'm looking to get this swapped out for something more horde clear specc'd, what is recommended

[umbral scaffold]

I dunno, depending on where you live I might get an even more unstable experience than I already do

[serene sage]

yeah.

[zinc osprey]

Im east coast lmao

[midnight mortar]

It just seems very at odds with the pace of the game from when I used it. If the benefit towards rapid fire weapons was unintended, then I can only hope they take a closer look at the stack implementation.

[spark helm]

I'm lowkey fine today but it's like day two and most of the problems I'm seeing with people and marksman focus on footage is mostly a problem with thinking that the ability isn't an active one, just something boring. But it ramps itself and turns into something you don't even haveto think about when you got your tempo down and you're meaningfully picking targets especially on something like exestance shit

So fast typing =/= salt it's just too corny at this rate.

[proper delta]

yall heard about always prepared keystone node + plasma gun

[hollow turtle]

People complaining about the keystones. Funny how I haven't heard the whole "survivalist is our only option of an aura" complaint since the update.

[umbral scaffold]

Oh yeah, it's defintely sounding weird with the game's pace

[serene bough]

never though that marksman's focus would be such a point of contention

[dusk idol]

I’ve stopped using survivalist

[spark helm]

u get a few but idk who cares that deeply

[umbral scaffold]

I mean, modesty aside, I'm pretty cracked at knife and other fast melee shenanigans

[spark helm]

was happening all day yesterday I shit you not

[umbral scaffold]

So to have a keystone that encourages me to not do what I'm best at is... odd

It feels lethargic in a way

[serene bough]

im guilty of also doubting the keystone as well

[hollow turtle]

Exaclty. Who cares that deeply? is the mentality I'm going with on the keystone complaints.

[drifting moon]

Delete the mod and you don't have to worry about it

[junior needle]

That's your opinion, and while you may argue your point, insulting people who disagree on subjective subjects just degrades the conversation. If you're tired of it then you don't need to partake of the discussion on it.

[umbral scaffold]

It's a good coast

[serene bough]

i just didnt think it would be that resoundingly disapproved

[midnight mortar]

Tying in with the at odds nature is the boost to finesse power of all things. Something that hard hitting guns don't see meaningful breakpoint reduction for, but that rapid fire weapons do given the differences in base damage.

[kind scarab]

I am guilty of assuming fatshark made the right capstone work as intended

[serene sage]

then how do I know im the better player than my teammates 😤

[umbral scaffold]

Oh yeah, there's that too

[hollow turtle]

Lol reason why I don't play with TrueLevels is so I don't see how much of a LOSER I am.

[dusk idol]

I’m guilty of fatshark

[umbral scaffold]

Without that keystone I was already one-shotting reapers with the mk3 helbore

[kind scarab]

Actually hold on. Let me get something I said before patch came out. Cause all of y'all didn't believe me.

[umbral scaffold]

What more do I want?

[hollow turtle]

Ha. Same. Still fun to do.

[drifting moon]

Play your role.

[midnight mortar]

A 10 to 15% reload speed reduction apparently.

[keen sleet]

Is Melk cooking?

[umbral scaffold]

Ew

[hollow turtle]

"Survive when they don't."

[serene sage]

My role is to outdamage my teammates

[umbral scaffold]

I like making tea while reloading

[drifting moon]

High place on scoreboard doesn't mean anything in this or vermintide

[serene bough]

big damage better

[hollow turtle]

They can be better than you in every way, but it doesn't matter if they're not the ones on the Valkyrie at the end.

[kind scarab]

Look at that

Day before update came out, and I already called it

[junior needle]

Not necessarily, that's correct. I think it's poorly designed because it's very likely to incentivize poor play from the general populace, and people doing things like that is something that needs to be compensated for in game design.

Also I am disappointed there weren't keystones to my preference but I'm not going to go around calling people bootlickers or something for liking things I don't like.

[dusk idol]

still relevant or nah?

[serene sage]

okay stop reviving people
got it

[kind scarab]

Left capstone was always going to be a run and gun playstyle

[drifting moon]

Specify poor play for me please?

[serene sage]

left?

[hollow turtle]

Don't forget, this is coming from me. The one who eyes the barrels at the edge of the map next to people who are taking all the ammo and aggroing everything. 👀

[winter dock]

God.. the shotguns just have

[kind scarab]

This one, yes.

[winter dock]

such awful damage

[drifting moon]

Yeah, except it's a hurry up and wait gunstyle at somepoints

[fair epoch]

You got your let and rights mixed up

Wrong person to reply to

[serene sage]

right?

[sharp ember]

wait, let him cook