veteran-class

[zealous wyvern]

4 mutants, 1 burster etc all the time

[dusk idol]

that sounds like a lot of fun

[zealous wyvern]

i like dying

so yes

but from a balance standpoint

this is a big change for damnation

[untold mulch]

I have seen toddlers that had better awareness

[dusk idol]

buff all the classes so it becomes even more fun

[tawdry yacht]

they even bitch u in chinese, and i just bitch them back with chinese

[dusk idol]

then buff the spawns so it becomes even more chaotic

I would like this very much

[zealous wyvern]

maybe they are trying to raise the difficulty

[untold mulch]

Constant escalation

[frank ledge]

power creep is horrible.

[zealous wyvern]

so that damnation is comparable to cataclysm

[dusk idol]

they are

[opaque crane]

What’s curious to me is that they locked all the stamina regen on the melee portion yet deadshot is probably the biggest stamina hog. You can still grab duck and dive but it’s just a bit bizarre to me.

[plucky agate]

please dont buff the spawns on the new map in auric

[zealous wyvern]

because until now damnation was kinda easy

if you had good gear

[dusk idol]

didn’t even need good gear

[radiant raptor]

and then your PC bricks from the chaos

[plucky agate]

i think we culled half the hab block defending the arena

[frank ledge]

With current spawns cata+1 is closer to current damnation, only less trash enemies (likely for consoles)

[radiant raptor]

awesome

[gusty bison]

Theres a stam delay reduction on both left and right iirc

[dusk idol]

just basic game sense would carry you through damnation

[iron marten]

well they already did this, just had to do the TRS-150 mission on hi5stg and the first area had 9 SNIPERS

[untold mulch]

So, half of playerbase out

[opaque crane]

Yeah I’m aware of that but I’m talking about the specific stamina % nodes in the right keystone

[dusk idol]

😭

[zealous wyvern]

i never beat a single cataclysm difficulty in vt2

so no

it is not

[gusty bison]

Oh. Ye. Fair

[zealous wyvern]

considering i only play t5 in this

[gusty bison]

Its somehow in the middle top now. :kekrat;

[dusk idol]

tbf most base damnation players were fresh out of heresy with no idea what they were doing

you could tell just by how they played and moved and the decisions they made

[iron marten]

fresh damnation players with assail as blitz

[dusk idol]

blowing up poxbursters in your face

[untold mulch]

I am avoiding jumping into T5 too much, because my stubborness is not allowing me to kill Crushers fast enough

[dusk idol]

running off by themselves

etc etc

constantly getting pounced or netted

[frank ledge]

currently we have more special possibilities in dt than vt2

[untold mulch]

Chainsword vs Crusher is a one trip to hell

[iron marten]

tbf, I do this in auric as well, but I NEED plasteel

[elder relic]

Try chainaxe

[frank ledge]

Vt2 is also easier to solo in all honesty...

[tawdry yacht]

i really hope FS tune down the material cost

[untold mulch]

Chainsword or death 🗿

[narrow dock]

what should i switch?
Sword seems p fine
rifle tho... Crapace to Flak? Falter to something else?

[elder relic]

But you're also screwed against man sized foes

[frank ledge]

A single man in vt2 can carry a team easily up to cata+2 or 300% which is where you NEED a good team

in dt, carrying is a bit harder

less tools to res safely

harder to res

[dusk idol]

assail was so strong it could carry you through damnation too so long as you weren’t constantly needing to be rescued

[iron marten]

either that, or they buff the plasteel drop, or let me convert diamantine to plasteel. Then I'll care less about how dogshit crafting is

[frank ledge]

the drama meter is also borked

[spark arrow]

if weapon specialist had it so ranged specialist also increased draw time it would enable so many more fun builds. like x/bolter or x/helbore

[dusk idol]

lmao fair, but that’s fine if you can handle disables

[tawdry yacht]

spending whole evening farming plasteal and just to roll the perk/blessings and get nth great from it, it feel terrible

[dusk idol]

disablers

[elder relic]

Its basically 2 ranged weapons

[dusk idol]

my phone is tryna get me cancelled fr

[untold mulch]

I wish we had 2 ranged 😔

[elder relic]

one which has infnite ammo

[untold mulch]

I would pay a keystone to have a Lasgun + backup

[tawdry yacht]

imagine dual revolver

[dusk idol]

longlas blitz coming soon

[iron marten]

I remember first trying archivum sycorax with assail, and I saw 10 ragers drop in one of the venting rooms. There weren't 10 ragers anymore after 15 seconds

[delicate moat]

i miss my 5% melee attack speed

[dusk idol]

fuck that would actually be sick

[unkempt lagoon]

worth copping?

[untold mulch]

Blitz quickscope

[dusk idol]

spam till you blow - assailpsyker

[iron marten]

I'm mostly fine... if I play on my own servers. Too bad the guy I duo with is in NA West so I mostly play with 180ping

[spark arrow]

do you have PC4?

[dusk idol]

i’d give anything

[unkempt lagoon]

I dont have any pc

[balmy flume]

Am I hallucinating or does this patch actually favour Autoguns of all sorts moreso than other weapons?
Both the tree and the new map…

[tawdry yacht]

imo power cycler is only worth when it's with tier 4, but tier 3 is doable

[dusk idol]

definitely possible

[untold mulch]

Wouldn't be surprised

Autoguns are getting a lot of love

[dusk idol]

what server are you in normally?

[untold mulch]

I am not mad

absolutely not

[iron marten]

nah, save your melk bucks, unless you're tired of not having power cycler and spamming charge

[spark arrow]

then probably yea. itll get PS online at least. the push attack/follow up is incredibly strong. but you really want PC4

[unkempt lagoon]

fair, its quite expensive at 3k milkbucks anyways

[elder relic]

Is that bad

[iron marten]

Australia

[dusk idol]

wtf

play with me

[elder relic]

That's my normal ping on warthunder

[iron marten]

I dodge a dog, 40% of the time I still get hit

[elder relic]

Oof

[spark arrow]

push attack the dogs

[dusk idol]

NA servers feel terrible to play on

[iron marten]

trappers are worse

[iron marten]

for context, this is with 180ping gameplay

[elder relic]

Guess we're stuck on Asia pacific

[balmy flume]

Yea been playing the new map and I just feel Autoguns (maybe Boltguns) are more appropriate for it…enemies come so think and fast, HB is suddenly a wee bit too slow for the waves…

[unkempt lagoon]

🫡
South african reporting in with 180ms to euro servers

[spark arrow]

its incredibly forgiving, but yea, i hear ya

[elder relic]

Just me or Australian players like to vc alot more

[radiant raptor]

NA servers feel terrible to play on even in NA

[iron marten]

I feel your pain good sir

[dusk idol]

you have to see into the future to dodge attacks in NA servers

[iron marten]

aussie players are just more shitposty

[elder relic]

Many of whom also get angry as fuck real quick

[unkempt lagoon]

I dont generally have issues with the dogs but trapper dodging is awful

[dusk idol]

we jus like shooting the shit

[balmy parcel]

Revolvers are good, Right?

[dusk idol]

oh I played with that guy

tuco

[balmy parcel]

Pog

[tawdry yacht]

ya, one of the meta i could say

[elder relic]

Have you played a guy called ||linkoctavian||

[vivid ocean]

is something up with the servers

[iron marten]

and you also get this

[dusk idol]

no

maybe

[vivid ocean]

ive been dc'd twice the past 30 minutes

[dusk idol]

might’ve been on a diff char

is he the one that calls everyone a noob?

[balmy parcel]

i got what i feel is a good roll thats been helping me withn targeting specs and elites

[dusk idol]

but only plays base damnation?

[iron marten]

yeah sure, add me on steam

[radiant raptor]

i've dc'd a lot today

[elder relic]

Okay cuz he spent like 10 minutes in game just flaming me cuz I died once

[radiant raptor]

and lag spikes too

[dusk idol]

lmao might be the same guy

I blocked my guy he was annoying af to play with

called us noobs and then died and then called us noobs for not saving him

[vivid ocean]

had a spike earlier

[dusk idol]

added

[iron marten]

are you mars?

[unkempt lagoon]

is a 17% toughness curio with +30% toughness regen worth copping from melk?

[dusk idol]

yeah

[iron marten]

ye aight

[dusk idol]

saigo in game

[frank ledge]

HH gang unite

[elder relic]

Think so it was auric

My fault for going on auric I guess lol

[hollow turtle]

Staring at this like, "Wait a second.. This was my stealth range vet build pre-update just without bonus Ogryn damage.."

[iron marten]

wait, I think I've seen you before

[dusk idol]

some players man lol

[dusk idol]

possible

I do play a lot

[iron marten]

I'm just the default name onceda running with a commissar outfit

[dusk idol]

waiiiiittt

I think I’ve seen you too lmao

like level 400 vet?

[balmy parcel]

I feel it could be better though, idk what i should change

[iron marten]

I'm uh +454 now

I think

lmao

[dusk idol]

bruh

yeah I’ve played a couple games with you

[elder relic]

I like terrifying barrage on anything for cqb like pistol or autogun

[balmy parcel]

Okay, pog

[dusk idol]

you on right now?

[iron marten]

taking a break rn (and gacha)

[dusk idol]

try hand cannon and surgical for blessings

see what you do to carapace targets on crit

[balmy parcel]

What?

OH the blessing

My bad

[dusk idol]

for your revolver blessings

lol all goods

[tepid pagoda]

It used to be 80%

Dogs were the worst

[balmy parcel]

im a lil burnt atm haha

[willow badger]

How many harkens have you guys seen

[dusk idol]

poxbursters would like a word with you

and mutants

[tepid pagoda]

Mutants were at least funny

[iron marten]

beta dogs... the funniest thing was shooting a poxburster once, and trying to push them

[tepid pagoda]

And people exploding was also funny

[elder relic]

5

[regal storm]

What do you guys think of the new keystones? I haven't tried it yet, has it gotten better or worse?

[dusk idol]

dogs used to go escape velocity and then crash back down and pounce you anyway

[worldly grove]

what a gamer

[midnight mortar]

Absolutely. That's a curio guaranteed to not be bricked.

[iron marten]

shut up "Aerial"

[unkempt lagoon]

wonderful

[dusk idol]

mutants would be able to turn on a dime and snatch your ass up from whatever corner you were in

[worldly grove]

ayy shhh

[dusk idol]

poxbursters just ignored stagger sometimes

[midnight mortar]

Unimpactful and not worth the point tax and opportunity cost to reach them. At best, neutral. At worst, actively promoting anti-team gameplay.

[elder relic]

Voc insta knocks them down and blams them right

[regal storm]

Sounds kind of sad, there's no way to play solo on difficulty 5

[dusk idol]

it knocks them but if they haven’t activated they won’t blow

they’ll just fall on their ass and then get up again

you can hear when they activate when they play that sound as they leap at you

[elder relic]

Guess you'd have to hit it just as they're about to faceplant

[midnight mortar]

Yeah the beeping speeds up.

They have to be in their detonation leap animation.

[dusk idol]

it’s pretty nice as a panic button though, if you’re too close you’ll at least have some toughness to soften their explosion

[midnight mortar]

It's the corruption damage they deal that's the real problem in that scenario.

[dusk idol]

ah, the joys of being blown up on so much you lose a wound

[unkempt lagoon]

is it a good curio perk then?

[midnight mortar]

I'd say it's acceptable.

[grim thunder]

Hmm, is the make every shot count penance finally achievable again?

I did it multiple times last patch and it didn’t count

[dusk idol]

does anyone know if charge rate or power has an effect on heat generation per shot of the plasma gun?

a friend of mine shared a clip of 2 plasmas with 80 thermal resistance having different heat per shot values

[solemn niche]

thoughts on this modded revolver ?

[buoyant hound]

You mean sawed off revolver

[old quail]

charge rate influences the left click in some deranged ways

[plucky agate]

the wristbreaker

[old quail]

pins has the different left click damages at different charge rate percents

[dusk idol]

it’s not damage I’m talking about

[old quail]

so i would imagine charge rate is also affecting heat per lmb because the lmb is just a weird charge shot

[dusk idol]

that’s so annoying

what is this code

[old quail]

its been this way since launch

[tawdry hull]

hello minmaxers, any usable vet build?

[old quail]

plasma is all kinds of fucked up

[terse tusk]

i havent run this yet but it seems alright for the autoguns?

[dusk idol]

if it is charge rate then that means it affects both damage and heat generation

[old quail]

sounds about right

[solemn niche]

why so squished

[tawdry hull]

all of my 6 working build got wrecked yday night

[solar garden]

Yup. Volitile blessing also affects it, as it's calculated as a change to the charge value I assume

[terse tusk]

diet working

[old quail]

yup

[dense glade]

lol that tree looks like a fever dream

[old quail]

volatile on an optimal 73% charge rate plasma loses left click damage

[dusk idol]

any answer to carapace targets?

[dense glade]

I should install the squished tree mod

[terse tusk]

autogun with rending works alright tbh

[solar garden]

Yup, and volatile on a sub 73% gains damage XD

[dusk idol]

just 10% rending seems a little anemic though

[dusk idol]

volatile on a 78% charge will also gain damage

[solar garden]

Yeah my current plasma was Volatile 3 on a 69% charge irrc, performs pretty well

[dusk idol]

if you run axe with the autogun it should be solid, those heavies put in work

[terse tusk]

im running a knife iirc

[dusk idol]

oof

[solar garden]

I don't run plasma often enough to drop another mill dockets and couple thousand plas and dia on rolling a 4th or 5th just for like another 3-4% damage XD

[dusk idol]

the charge rate affecting heat too is kind of big though

[solar garden]

Ah, true :/

[dusk idol]

missing out on a shot in your lmb volley is a decent chunk of damage

I hate that

[solar garden]

UGH. I hate that you make a good point XD

[dusk idol]

I hate that charge rate affects these things (if it is the thing affecting thermal resist)

[solar garden]

On a semi-related note, how are people liking the weapon/ranged specialist autoreload on things like shotguns and revolvers?

[tawdry hull]

pls tell me one thing

keystoneless builds are still relevant?

[dusk idol]

love it, can’t run without it

[dusk idol]

yes

[tawdry hull]

okay thanks

[dusk idol]

weaker than before but still viable

[solar garden]

I'm sure they are

[tawdry hull]

ILL HAVE TO RETHINK EVERYTHING...

[untold mulch]

Barrel'nt

[solar garden]

Vet has enonugh strong nodes without the keystones, and general consensus is that 2/3 of the keystones are a little lackluster anyway.

[tawdry hull]

vet have too much nodes

...

bloated :c

[solar garden]

Yeah that seems to be the general opinion

[dusk idol]

bloated and disconnected from each other

[vivid ocean]

laspistol kinda goes hard

[dusk idol]

more connectivity would be lovely

[vivid ocean]

on vet

really like it with the buffed deadshot, havent used it on anything other than psyk yet

[dusk idol]

I think I used las once, burned through all my ammo and then had to quit my game because it made me hate myself

[solar garden]

lol

[dusk idol]

but I was on zealot

[vivid ocean]

shock trooper leaves you with more than enough

[forest maple]

I don't think i need to keep trying to make a better powersword, right?

[untold mulch]

Laspistol with shocktrooper is silly

[delicate moat]

laspistol slaps

[vivid ocean]

only time i ran low was when i had two beast of nurgles back to back

[vivid ocean]

fuck you

[delicate moat]

looks more than good enough

[vivid ocean]

also, no

[dusk idol]

make it better

[delicate moat]

spend aquilas to improve base stats

[vivid ocean]

id use +cara to try to hit the two hs crusher breakpoint

but honestly flak works too

[solar garden]

Las Pistol is goated on my Commisar style build. It's such a fluid weapon swap, accurate from hipfire, and hit hard enough to hit 1-2 shot breakpoints on shooters and bruisers.
Super fluid to swap between melee and dishing out a few las shots to thin out a bruiser/shooter group, or trigger the Covering Fire talent for allies engaged in melee already.
Or trigger the 25% dmg bonus for your other weapon talent (forget the name)

[worldly grove]

did anyone else dc?

nvm

[dusk idol]

I dc’d a while ago into my bed yeah

[vivid ocean]

full auto mod makes it feel crazy

[dusk idol]

something that will always be satisfying to me is the QuickDraw on the revolver to a hipfire headshot

makes me feel like a real space cowboy

[solar garden]

I'll bet it does, but I prefer the accuracy. Like I said, it hits 1-2 shot BPs with one of them being a headshot.
If I was gonna do a full-auto weapon to weave in, I'd just go for the machine pistol.

[icy light]

What can i do to make this better or is it beyond saving now

[untold flame]

I wish they would just give us the full auto as default for light variants

[dusk idol]

it’s saveable

[delicate moat]

theres a mod that changes animation of hipfire

i need to get that

[dusk idol]

just change the perks to what you want

and it’ll still fuck

damage dump is a little painful though

but it’ll still fuck

[icy light]

So, carapace and unyielding to ensure it can do its job?

[delicate moat]

I raise you the sunder variant

[dusk idol]

or maniac or flak or whatever you want to kill with it

[forest maple]

How much more cleave do you want? "ALL OF IT"

[dusk idol]

and then try it out in the psykanium

[icy light]

I'm using focus target

[solar garden]

That's still a decent plasma. Just change the perks to hit whatever breakpoints matter most to you and test in the psych

[delicate moat]

it doesn't get stopped by the first carapace, very comfy

[solar garden]

Welp I'm off to kill my first heretics of the morning, glhf ya'll

[frank ledge]

What is the state of infantry guns currently?

[delicate moat]

good

[icy light]

so how does the breakpoint calculator thing work

dt.wartide that site

[forest maple]

they slap

[delicate moat]

columnus is my favorite gun

across psyker vet and zealot

[unkempt lagoon]

is No Respite good on mk7 shotgun?
Seeing as the slug has lots of stagger I imagine that'd translate to the max of +20% damage?

[kind scarab]

Arguably Recon levels of strong this patch

[spark arrow]

good damn gun

[sudden relic]

Hey guys ive been working on my new VET melee build, would lovesome feedback!
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9a9e594b-9fee-4e2c-85da-b90263a3f3d7

[frank ledge]

What am I looking for in a clomunus, flak and unarmored/maniac?

[delicate moat]

flak/maniac

[kind scarab]

Flak mani

[spark arrow]

how fast are you killing crushers/ragers?

[delicate moat]

the usual suspects

[spark arrow]

i want to get off ps6 but everytime i do i feel it takes years to get rid of armors

[torn gorge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/169492358918963201/1174316383601954816/image.png?ex=6567265b&is=6554b15b&hm=260bdf2a801ba424e59344acf4c66f2d36d71dd7e32c36eeb3262660b9599418& a nice axe

time to throw smoke nades and flick revolver shots

[sudden relic]

2-3 shots with revolver, krak nades instant ofc. I never go melee against crushers

[fervent quiver]

Ong, the chainsword just doesn't have that assurance

I hate that ragers can just smack you whilst you're GRINDING THEM TO DEATH

[untold mulch]

Me with chainsword heavy rev into a Crusher skull

The Crusher: Overhead time

[delicate moat]

help i have 2 plasteel left

2

[forest maple]

Where do you guys prefer to bind your tag button generally? On the mouse? On something like "e"?

[delicate moat]

i use default mmb

[livid dust]

I just have it on deafult mmb

[forest maple]

mmb is awkward when shooting

which finger do you use? middle?

[dusk idol]

T

[livid dust]

Pointer

[dusk idol]

I have carpal tunnel though

[forest maple]

Why not e? its closer to your wasd

[delicate moat]

im broke AF

[dusk idol]

because T is default

[delicate moat]

this economy not looking good

[dusk idol]

I think

[kind scarab]

I use T as well, from all the Vermintide I played

[dusk idol]

I never changed it

just got used to it

[kind scarab]

Nah, you did that as soon as you started playing the game and came over from Vermintide

Cause it definitely wasn't default for me and that's what I did

[dusk idol]

swear it’s default

[jolly jacinth]

use vertical mouse it helps

[dusk idol]

unless it isn’t and I’m just dumb

[delicate moat]

default is MMB

[dusk idol]

oh

then yeah

[forest maple]

I have mine on mouse button 5 (thumb) and it kinda works fine

[dusk idol]

I for sure changed it

[kind scarab]

Yeap

You did what I did, cause MMB is stupid

[dusk idol]

I HATE mmb keybinds

[kind scarab]

^

[livid dust]

Btw does any1 know why they stealth nerfed so much stuff on vet ? Cus it kinda seems unwarranted but idk

[delicate moat]

i need a foot pad that is dedicated to tag bind

[dusk idol]

dumbest default keybind that’s in every game

[fervent quiver]

I'm so used to mmb that I haven't changed it

[delicate moat]

i dont have enough fingers for this shit

[kind scarab]

Because if they didn't, when combined with the capstones you'd be way more powerful

and no fun allowed

[jade jewel]

Okay boys so what's the best build for us plasma enjoyers how?

[fervent quiver]

Though at that point, if it's immediate, I voip it

[livid dust]

Im used to it cus every single game that has pings use mmb as deafult and i usually dont change my keybinds

[kind scarab]

Right capstone for faster melee + guaranteed crit shot on getting 1 melee kill

and easy refill for ammo in that gun

[dusk idol]

I can’t

because games will also bind things to scroll

[safe quiver]

Do u guys prefer revolver with combat axe or power sword or devil claw ?

[dusk idol]

devils claw for me

[livid dust]

Skill issue tbh

[dusk idol]

revolver gives me single target and claw gives me horde clear

[sudden relic]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a9e594b-9fee-4e2c-85da-b90263a3f3d7/melee-vet-meta-patch-15
Forgot weapons and curios

[kind scarab]

Depends on what you want to do. Personally, if I'm going my main revolver build I'll PS for horde clear. If I'm using something else, I'll take devil claw for the parries

[livid dust]

Yeah but wouldnt ps be better for that ?

[dusk idol]

power sword is jank and I cbf playing around it

[delicate moat]

dclaw parrying ragers is the most fun i've had in this game

[dusk idol]

devils claw is simple to use and effective

plus it has parry

[frank ether]

thats a good roll

[delicate moat]

parry my way out of everything

[empty creek]

did the new outfits get added

[dusk idol]

and it’s stylish af

[kind scarab]

Parry effectively means if you can time your parries, you can survive (and kill) any boss in melee without worrying about anything

[frank ether]

mine is kinda garbo but I dont care enough to fix it

[kind scarab]

2 days

[empty creek]

blackpill

[delicate moat]

i want wolfer outfit

[worldly grove]

replace sunder with slaughter

[empty creek]

also parrying is supreme, U can obliterate anything short of a DH w/o really thinking

[delicate moat]

no i enjoy sunder

[worldly grove]

ok

[dusk idol]

it’s very satisfying to parry while kiting back a horde of ragers and killing them

takes practice but doing it without getting hit makes you feel like a martial god

fuck u ragers

[kind scarab]

You can do that as well

Just gotta have corruption resist on your charms

[empty creek]

my current sword has a fuckton of impact so as soon as i parry ragers, there’s a 50% chance i instantly throw them off the nearest cliff

[willow badger]

any tips on meleeing ragers

[dusk idol]

now that there’s less medpaks and ammo crates I feel like field improv got a small nerf

[kind scarab]

Parry with Dclaw

[dusk idol]

shoot them

[empty creek]

well yeah, but conserving stamina is important against the DH so U have 2 dodge a lot in order 2 keep on partying

[willow badger]

all good ideas

[delicate moat]

honestly rager pack is the hardest in this game

[empty creek]

parrying*

[willow badger]

but sometimes they just get mixed

[hearty panther]

Actual melee advice: block more

[willow badger]

like ive gotten ok at handling maulers

[empty creek]

letting every DH attack hit isn’t a good idea

[dusk idol]

if it’s a mixed horde, make distance and induce stagger somehow

grenades

[willow badger]

crusher dodge can be a lil hard

[dusk idol]

Vox

voc

then shoot

the safest place to be against a rager is outside of their melee range

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1166037192804683776/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.10.23_-_18.33.46.02.mp4

[dusk idol]

which is fucking miles

[kind scarab]

Just parry

ez

[willow badger]

this is based but im sadly running ps6

[dusk idol]

what primary?

[delicate moat]

just lmb ur problems away

[willow badger]

tru but i'm just practicing melee skillz rn

in meatgrinder

[delicate moat]

ps6 has like not much melee skill

u want dclaw for practice

[kind scarab]

practice yer parries until you can do a horde of 6 ragers at once with parries

[dusk idol]

powersword handles poorly in intense melee situations

[willow badger]

will try

ye ive noticed that

[dusk idol]

it shines in hordes where you can power up reliably

[slow spade]

Psword is pure stagger or dps

[delicate moat]

the charge sometimes doesn't register

[dusk idol]

but ragers apply a lot of melee pressure

[wild lantern]

do the same in damnation meatgrinder pls
it will still be stonks but not has stonks

[dusk idol]

so the safest thing you can do is create distance and switch to range

[empty creek]

not having 2 3+ stamina curios

[dusk idol]

if you’re using powersword

[empty creek]

can’t parry god like that brother

[slow spade]

I personally just spam lights on ragers until they stagger

[empty creek]

just side-dodge in w/ a heavy attack & use a good sword

[dusk idol]

it’s pretty hard to stagger ragers in their melee combo though, don’t think VoC even staggers them out of it

[delicate moat]

i should keep using 3x +3 stam

[umbral scaffold]

is it just me or that the new map at the end of the arena has gunns shoot through walls?

[white minnow]

it does stagger them in their combo

[empty creek]

i use 1 wound & 6+ stam

[slow spade]

Ah I find light on weakspots seem to stagger

[slow spade]

VoC knocks them on their ass

[empty creek]

each trinket has +5% toughness

[dusk idol]

does it? heard it doesn’t but never noticed it in my usage of it

[slow spade]

Basically free kills at that point

[dusk idol]

But I always stagger early when I see ragers

[empty creek]

VOC staggers everything no matter what

[rigid pilot]

any cool things to try with new keystones? or its all doom

[kind scarab]

That was in damnation

[slow spade]

VoC can even stagger bosses and crushers

[kind scarab]

I only do damnation

[slow spade]

Mutants too

[brisk sapphire]

Heavily invested in a deadshot build or what

[slow spade]

Ride or die

[empty creek]

parry god, lets me handle huge gagglefucks of ragers & otherwise w/o thinking

[wild lantern]

damnation rager do'nt have 1600 hp

[empty creek]

parrying takes stamina & it’s enough 2 keep me going indefinitely w/o losing health

that & makes reviving w/o VOC difficult

[kind scarab]

Check the date on the file my guy

[empty creek]

not difficult*

[kind scarab]

It's literally in the link name

[umbral scaffold]

orgyn always better

always

[kind scarab]

You right, I should make a newer recording

with more ragers

[empty creek]

https://youtu.be/m7wogN85gXo?si=AyvCyH5avK1_Vei6

[dusk idol]

do 6, that’s a common rager patrol number

[kind scarab]

That's what I would usually practice at

[dusk idol]

when I was practicing my dclaw parry the most I could handle was like 9 ragers? had to use voc for any more than that

you have to dodge and parry though because getting stunned sucks ass

[empty creek]

drop a shredder

[wild lantern]

O_o so you give out of date gameplay noice

[umbral scaffold]

this video alone wants me to go back to my level 30 orgyn already

[rigid pilot]

can i ask if exhilirating takedown is fixed or still no?

[dusk idol]

still, no

[rigid pilot]

whaaaat

[empty creek]

https://youtu.be/3OdzrUVpJWI?si=iGlVsWyXSyRJ079n

[brisk sapphire]

I'm too lazy to count them, but is it true vet has like 100 nodes/talents while ogryn and zealot have like 80

[topaz lance]

works as intended, enjoy

[rigid pilot]

[topaz lance]

They should leave it as is now, just because

[empty creek]

gaslighting an ogryn in2 thinking hadron is a voice in his head

[kind scarab]

@wild lantern

There, have a new one I just did. After just waking up and I haven't even had a drink yet.

[dusk idol]

he’s like an ork, whatever he believes comes true

[empty creek]

the emperor’s simplest creature

[umbral scaffold]

i have the bodyguard voiceline instead and my orgyn always struggles to speak

[kind scarab]

I'mma go get some water cause I'm dehydrated AF after sleeping for 12 hours

[wild lantern]

this one feel better thx ^^

[empty creek]

i use the bully voice BC i like the compliments he gives 2 psykers

[dusk idol]

oh grut it

dog dead

[empty creek]

that crazy female psyker telling the bully that the compliments he’s giving is making her blush & he just says “i don’t know what that means”

[kind scarab]

I'm pretty sure I could do better with the Dclaw if I was using like

Anything on that build that improved melee damage, but I don't.

Lemme make a build for that real quick

[finite imp]

If devil claw had an answer to armor I'd use it

[umbral scaffold]

rager el- rager elim- RAGER DEAD!

[kind scarab]

You mean crushers specifically, right?

[finite imp]

Yes. Maulers kinda too

[placid portal]

iirc don't parry have good finesse & penetration?

[dusk idol]

if Dclaw had an answer to armour it’d be the best weapon in the game

[slow spade]

Dclaw with 100% rending when?

[placid portal]

The Crushers are suffering from Krak Epidemic

[finite imp]

It would be cool if you could aim attacks at certain weak points in the joints of armr

[wild lantern]

let the dclaw in peace would you, the weapon is great ! we don't wan't another power sword bullshit

[placid portal]

So many Heretic Ogryns are addicted to Krak

[dusk idol]

it kinda just flies to them

[finite imp]

I'm just saying a heavy stab like that knife has wouldn't hurt it

[wild lantern]

it would

[solemn niche]

how much rending do you need to dclaw to oneshot parry a crusher ?

[slow spade]

The new map is just trying to stop our ogryns from huffing krak UwU

[dusk idol]

too much

[placid portal]

yes

[slow spade]

Yes

[placid portal]

D Claw parry damage is like 1k right?

[finite imp]

DClaw purist wants his weapon to keep getting outshined smh

[slow spade]

Roughly 2k if you boost it

[wanton dawn]

How much claw do you need to rend an ogryn ?

[placid portal]

Yea you'll still need a fuck ton of rending

[finite imp]

Wait are you guys fr

[placid portal]

Ye

[kind scarab]

Yes, parry is very strong

[finite imp]

The parry does insane damage

[solemn niche]

parry is omegastrong

[placid portal]

Has really strong finesse damage multiplier

[finite imp]

I'll have to give it a shot

[kind scarab]

I literally just posted a video of parrying a group of 6 ragers

[solemn niche]

headshot crit with a parry can do ludicruous amounts of damage

[placid portal]

which is why it can reach mad damage

[wanton dawn]

Also risky af

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174322478571585636/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.15_-_14.16.00.06.mp4

[placid portal]

Parries also prevent Overheads even if you don't time it right

[kind scarab]

Risk reward

You risk dying

Your reward is them dying

[kind scarab]

They don't prevent losing all your stamina and getting staggered though

[finite imp]

Damm

[kind scarab]

So if there's more than one enemy, you'll get killed by the other one

[finite imp]

Is the parry window big?

[wild lantern]

no realy the weapon is good since even before the parry buff, stop trying to buff every thing in the game

[solemn niche]

define big

[placid portal]

At least not an insta down in some cases

[safe quiver]

Whats speicel about combat axe ?

[kind scarab]

For every attack except overheads, yes

[finite imp]

.8 seconds or greater

[placid portal]

It can kill crushers in 4 heavies

[kind scarab]

Mauler and crusher overheads will break your parry if you time it wrong

[placid portal]

tru

[wise bridge]

yea its something you can hold out before hand

[placid portal]

overheads have a tighter window*

[finite imp]

What's the meta for dclaw

[kind scarab]

Parry

That's it

[placid portal]

Rampage + Savage

[kind scarab]

^

[finite imp]

I'm open to giving it another shot

[kind scarab]

Those are nice for the horde clear

But not necessary for the parry

[finite imp]

I'm open to discovering every weapons perks tbh

[placid portal]

You could go wrath or crits but that's on you

[wanton dawn]

In any case, i am a dedicated ps player

[placid portal]

I like the rashad axe

[finite imp]

Being able to wield every weapon in the game like a champ is my eventual goal

[placid portal]

fun stuff

[kind scarab]

This is my current random Dclaw I use

Not even optimised but it does it's job

[placid portal]

Still cleaves crowds like butter

[finite imp]

I love that axe I just wish a single walker didn't stop it cold

[placid portal]

Which is quite fun

[lean light]

Finally played my first carnival run with a full vet squad

The heretics didn't stand a chance

[placid portal]

That's where brutal momentum and push attacks come in handy

[wanton dawn]

Ps is so strong against rager/mauler i cannot go out without it

[balmy terrace]

I do really like the PS6, but I find the chainsword and devil claws more useful in a clutch. Which I seem to need to pull off more often than I like

[placid portal]

Rashad Push attack has good cleave and the light pattern is diagonal horizontal 2 times then a clean horizontal sweep

So it's all up to the rhythm

[balmy terrace]

The axes are also something I neglected a lot and am getting into now. They're pretty damn good

[placid portal]

But vs Crushers you can go crazy with heavies and drop them pretty fast

[kind scarab]

PS3 is better than PS6 imho in most use-case scenarios. Since it has an easier activation window, no slowdown and still does enough damage to anything that matters

[acoustic wyvern]

Did something happened to the antax

[placid portal]

But man Antax Axe is better at hoarde killing bc it has a better horizontal cleave

[wanton dawn]

Ps6 has way better light pattern

[kind scarab]

I don't use light pattern

[wanton dawn]

I only use light

[placid portal]

PS 6 heavies are diagonal iirc?

[balmy terrace]

The lights and push attack on the 6 alongside the block cost reduction make it pretty great

[kind scarab]

Enemies still need to get into melee range after you cleave the whole horde with PS, so why even bother with using lights that attack quicker than they can get in my range

[wanton dawn]

Ps6 heavy are like ps3 light

[balmy terrace]

Heavies on the 6 are really, really useful for rager stagger though. Saved me multiple times

[wanton dawn]

Light stagger rager though

[balmy terrace]

Not all the time, I can tell you from literal experience lol

especially in a crowd without sunder

or whatever the mega-cleave blessing is

[wanton dawn]

2 scab rager, 3 dreg ragers

[placid portal]

ye sunder

[wanton dawn]

Without sunder

[placid portal]

Pog

[wanton dawn]

With sunder it is clown fiesta

[kind scarab]

To be fair. If you see ragers. You should optimally be using your gun, not your melee weapon.

[hard wraith]

Maybe someone has more insight into this. I'm curious if the 5% chance of getting a grenade on kill perk stacks with teammates. If it stacks would be more like:
2 Teammates running the perk, it will stack and turn it to 10% chance of getting a grenade on kill. Or
2 Temmates running the perk, it will remain at 5% chance but rolls twice if it procs or not

[brisk sapphire]

Fun to fight em with claw tho

[kind scarab]

Oh definitely, claw is optimal for ragers if you aint braindead

But for everything else, it's ranged

[wanton dawn]

To be fair, ps is better than most gun against rager

[balmy terrace]

'Optimally' and actual gameplay are far removed from one another lol

[brisk umbra]

God i fucking hate the new tree so much, i'm always 1-2 points off for any builds i want to try, or just not run Survivalist and that's fucked.

[kind scarab]

Not at all. That's what I call a skill issue.

There's rarely ever a scenario that a non-pox enemy will sneak up on you. Giving you plenty of time to see it coming, and react to it accordingly.

And in those situations. You can literally just dodge backwards and press q at the same time. Then potshot their heads off while using another dodge or two

[wanton dawn]

Reddit has a litteral video of a 10+ rager ambush on front page

[balmy terrace]

lmao

ok

[topaz lance]

Maulers/Crushers can be dead silent, spawn behind and one shot you. happened a few times to me

[violet steeple]

this is probably the shittiest idea to have come of this discord but would vets getting 5 or 10 extra skill points to work with make the new tree better?

[kind scarab]

You talking about the new map ofc

[kind scarab]

Yea that I agree on, I've had some crushers sneak up on me behind spawn points

[iron marten]

I feel like it's not only the new map, AI Director changed ALOT with this patch

[kind scarab]

But I think that's an issue with spawn point design and the radius it muffles enemy sounds from

[brisk umbra]

Oh honestly 5 points would be more than enough, or they simply remove and combine some of our talents

[violet steeple]

yeah I've been stealth crushed once or twice before

[glacial onyx]

"that'll shut the rager up" rager makes no noise whatsoever

[wanton dawn]

There is a fuckton of enemy density this patch

[kind scarab]

I am enjoying the enemy density, gives me more shit to shoot at

[iron marten]

Relay Station first area on hi5stg, 9 snipers in different spots

previous patch would at most spawn like 3

[violet steeple]

playing sniper elite

[kind scarab]

Anyways, gotta head to work now

Y'all dont murder yourselves

[balmy terrace]

Situations like Craime described notwithstanding, sometimes you will get pinned in corners, have a lapse in judgement, push a little too far, etc. Even if you're excellent at the game. And that's not even accounting for your teammates who can make it infinitely harder to be 'optimal'

I'm trying so hard to not say you're full of shit directly, but man it's hard

[storm socket]

Looking for takes on shovel blessings. One locked blessing is going to be uncanny. Opinions on (t4) limbsplitter, trauma, all or nothing, or hammerblow for mixed horde (+ rager waves more than crusher) stagger with heavy sweep spam being the goal.

[wild lantern]

they did change the ai director at each patch since patch 13 so yeah we did get a huge amount of bullshit

[iron marten]

buff ragers but spawn less of them
I see 15 ragers with my exe stance in the next room

[wild lantern]

it better but still too much cancerous range mobs

[velvet glen]

For a finesse Build, would you rather go for the mg Ia lasgun or the vrak VII headhunter?

[kind scarab]

All of the examples you gave were literally just examples of what's commonly known as a skill issue. Getting pinned in a corner? Bad placement and map awareness. Bad judgement call? You aren't experienced enough to make a better one. Pushing too far? Still bad map awareness and knowledge of trigger points and where your team currently is.

The only thing you can't control in that situation is bad teammates

Everything else you can improve by playing more and learning from mistakes.

[balmy terrace]

But the statement 'just dodge and shoot' is so nonsensical in so many situations

I dunno, I just don't pretend I'm always perfect

[foggy terrace]

just run stealth vet

[kind scarab]

Most maps are designed with either long paths that go forward, or a large, semi-squareish room you need to path through to reach the next corridor

[foggy terrace]

stuck in a corner? stealth. bad judgement call? stealth gets you out

[kind scarab]

As long as you're clearing things out at the right pace and only moving forward when you know there's nothing behind you, there's always room to dodge backwards safely.

[wild lantern]

if you not a whiny angry vet you're perfect

[south spindle]

You take Stealth to save yourself, i take stealth to bully gunner walls in melee, we are not the same

[kind scarab]

False, Cadians are the perfect vet, cause they're hilariously whiny and are nice to the ogryns

[foggy terrace]

hey I run chainsword vet for that same reason

like chainsword stealth is

[flint rover]

y'all are all malice players

[south spindle]

Still havent got a good chainsword on Vet, but i dont think i'd use it anyway given that Shovel is a fucking blender with the new talents

[kind scarab]

Silence sedition scrub

[iron marten]

thanks!

[foggy terrace]

Auric 4 for fun, auric 5 for challenge

[flint rover]

y'all on malice tbh

[south prairie]

i started running devils claw again and god damn it was the one i fell in love with

[flint rover]

im on that beast mode shit]

[south prairie]

parries go MMM

[south spindle]

given this attitude its more likely this is the best you've ever done an now you think you're a god for it 😉

[kind scarab]

Checks out

[foggy terrace]

ahahaha

[kind scarab]

My man never played with anyone other than soloq

and thinks very highly of himself

[flint rover]

malice gamers beware

ur in for a scare

[kind scarab]

It's easy to be a god when you're only surrounded by bots

[kind scarab]

[foggy terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/random-pvz-ts-drama-argument-trashhead-gif-18452589

has steam id in name

[flint rover]

jealousy is a disease

[foggy terrace]

still only plays soloq

💀

[flint rover]

it's my fatshark code , as u can tell from the initials beforehand

[rigid pilot]

vet chat always classy

[foggy terrace]

🤓

[south spindle]

Solo queue is good for training, but the second you get in a good pre-made its very rare to see numbers that high, because you know, other people actually tend to contribute

[fathom grail]

Darktide esports

[flint rover]

lmk when u get dmg that high sweetheart

@foggy terrace

[foggy terrace]

if you think damage is the only thing that matters

💀

[flint rover]

if you think almost a million dmg in a mission isn't indicative of skill 💀

[glacial onyx]

It is

Anything else is cope

[flint rover]

Average Malice Enjoyer

emphasis on average

[torn gorge]

how is that noteworthy? almost a mil dmg?

[warm remnant]

I never post here, however, I will never use a weapon without Stripped Down on Vet ever again.

That is all.

[torn gorge]

its not that hard to do on auric/histg

[warm remnant]

[frank ledge]

Claw is great

[flint rover]

motoko making it known he has no idea what he's talking about

[hard wraith]

that's fucking hilarious LOL im gonna have to try that out

[torn gorge]

its almost like you think that scoreboard is something noteworthy

[warm remnant]

I strongly recommend it.

[torn gorge]

but sure go ahead with that attitude

[warm remnant]

I promise you, it will get you killed.

Have fun.

<3

[glacial onyx]

I avoid damage with Ghost

[south prairie]

huh, that looks alright

[flint rover]

@torn gorge do you have any scoreboards with almost a million dmg?

[wild lantern]

you still arguing about the sedition scorboard dude ? damn

[onyx ridge]

a 40min match is common to have that

[hard wraith]

can't you combine it with the perk that gives you stamina on successful dodge?

[warm remnant]

W E A K

[flint rover]

@onyx ridge wrong

[warm remnant]

The gun is used to close the distance so that you can assault the enemy face to face.

[fathom grail]

Are you guys fighting over scoreboards

[south prairie]

yes indeed

[fathom grail]

Amazing

[onyx ridge]

hes saying 900k damage is noteworthy

[brisk umbra]

what is with people and not ressing today ffs -_-

[south prairie]

someone is trying to show dick by scoreboard again

[fathom grail]

Scoreboard is a meme in darktide give us the vid

[wild lantern]

which half of it where overkill

[flint rover]

i wish i had the vid

[onyx ridge]

yeah lmao

[onyx ridge]

plus the match lasted 40 mins

💀

[warm remnant]

All jokes aside, it's actually very good, yes. I use it to put myself into extremely dumb situations that often get me killed.

^If you don't do that it is actually good, yes.

[glacial onyx]

Yes it's called being based

[wild lantern]

dmg in noob trap like wounds
no dying and doing your jobs is what make you win a game

[south spindle]

Its more a case of one of those lobbies where you roll incredibly bad players an have to compensate for them not doing owt, like its really not that rare in pugs to end up in those lobbies

[flint rover]

the overkill dmg is a good point

[torn gorge]

new patch? no, old patch? lot of 800k and above yes

[onyx ridge]

most pugs have that

[flint rover]

it was today

[south prairie]

stripped down and ghost together seem like a very fun meme gun lmao

[flint rover]

well yesterday technically

on the new map actually

[south prairie]

problem is i dont have any

[torn gorge]

again rather unfair considering how ramped up the new patch specials/elites intensity is

so thats an easier angle to farm scoreboard

[flint rover]

unfair? to you?

[torn gorge]

unfair to the scoring

[warm remnant]

Honestly, I wish that auto had Hit'n'Run with Stripped Down because I am lazy af.

My abrauto has the SD + HnR combo but I couldn't get it on my auto

[flint rover]

well just keep me in the back of your mind as ur checking ur scoreboard 😗

[south spindle]

A good number of em yeah. Its been particularly bad of late because consolers are starting to want to push into higher settings an a lot of returning players are back aswell. It'll even out over time though as people adjust. I also think the new director in Auric has spun people out quite a bit becuase it can go awol in some situations now, which is both great fun, an sometimes quite challenging

[torn gorge]

i normally do not post scoreboard as a bragging right, but if i break 1m ill link it here i guess

[flint rover]

that sc was from a group in this disc

make sure to ping me

not "noteworthy" guy

[torn gorge]

[flint rover]

trying to downplay my poggers performance

jealousy is a diSEASE

[south spindle]

Noone is trying to downplay that you did well bud, just noone likes people with huge egos

[torn gorge]

[south prairie]

hubris is also a disease lmao

[south spindle]

Thats just a fact of life, on and off the internet

[simple jetty]

Wow, he's still on about this a half hour later, eh?

[onyx ridge]

hes doing everything just to stroke his ego

[torn gorge]

i would say it is mostly related to people wanting to try the new patch

and vet being the most popular class

with the rework

[flint rover]

waffle spitting the only fact of the day

[wild lantern]

bragging for shit is a disease
saying you scoreboard i shit is just normol

[fathom grail]

I am the best darktide esports player

[flint rover]

i apologize for my hubris

[fathom grail]

My mom says so

[south spindle]

Also yes, the new map is very different to the older ones due to the number of avaliable directions stuff can spawn from an thats gonna throw people off their stride quite easily, an ye the rework is also gonna have borked a bunch of people's builds for sure

[south prairie]

honestly tho scoreboard e peen stroking is the dead last thing i care to see in a coop game

[glacial onyx]

Calling off work sorry my hubes is too bad today

[slow spade]

"Oops all shooters"

[south spindle]

Like if people are doing badly, but visibly trying, i cant feel any bad blood regarding them, its only the ones who're not even trying to contribute an looking for a carry that annoy me

[torn gorge]

wait until the meta of sitting in a bubble becomes widespread

that way the new map will become boring af

and uneventful

[slow spade]

"Omg I did the most damage to poxwalkers. Clearly my build is the best"

Many such cases

[kind scarab]

All trappers, only trappers. And they are all trying to be the one to kidnap you.

[south prairie]

call your boss at 4 in the morning and just laugh hysterically at him for half a minute then hang up and put in a sick leave

[slow spade]

On my first run of the new map, the game spawned 5 gunners behind me lol

[flint rover]

i mean what else are you going to have to show for it, to record and prove your performance?

[thick kestrel]

it is delightfully swarmy, even without modifiers

[slow spade]

Literally anything besides fucking damage?

[kind scarab]

I haven't tried the new map yet, I'm still minmaxing builds for all the weapons I enjoy using

[foggy terrace]

why do I care about recording and proving my performance like do I play the game for that

[south prairie]

also just had a run where we went into a small room to avoid a DH and the game dumped a BoN and 5 maulers on top of us in that room

[thick kestrel]

definitely an element of needing to push through the enemy rather than trying to fight them all "then" do the objective

[slow spade]

One of the most useless stats to dickwave considering its a hordeshooter lol

[south prairie]

literally nuked our ases lmao

[flint rover]

do you not have the scoreboard mod?

[slow spade]

Such is life

[foggy terrace]

no

vanilla

all the way

[wild lantern]

nothing, you don't need to prove being a darktide chad for being a darktide chad

[frank ledge]

(Damage+Boss damage+ damage taken/downs (take into account mitigation)+your revives+elites/specialists killed) - ammo taken = more or less your performance

[south spindle]

To see if your build works or not? If you need to prove stuff to someone who just randomly calls you a shitter because they dont like your build philosophy, thats one thing, but feeling like you need it to look down on others because you think yourself better than everyone else? Yeah nah my g, that aint it

[sharp ember]

why get scoreboard mod when i always know i am the best

[foggy terrace]

based take

[flint rover]

mud wizard is speaking to my lizard brain rn

[kind scarab]

You're on shovel duty, ofc you're the best

[dusty ferry]

Scoreboard?

[flint rover]

mud wizard singlehandedly making me feel upset at myself

and admire him

[foggy terrace]

Like if you do not know what the damage was on how tf was it useful

[flint rover]

L for me

[slow spade]

Yet what you see is people going "I did top damage"

[kind scarab]

Is that one of those tiny nurgle things, nurglets?

[frank ledge]

I am better than everyone, not because of a number tells me, but because I know it

[kind scarab]

What are they called

[frank gyro]

why the hell is the cloak of the krieg vet still not dynamic

[umbral plover]

Funny to see that narcist pulling off his attention seeking thing while putting the spotlight on himlsef while shitting on everyone else ^^

[south spindle]

One rule for life; Dont be a c*nt. Its a very worthwhile one to learn.

[dusty ferry]

It animal but

[flint rover]

the endgame, full 100% self assurance

[dusty ferry]

amal

[slow spade]

To be fair, its not hard to be better than most of the playerbase in darktide

I swear they unbound their block key

[dusty ferry]

Agreed

[frank ledge]

Topping damage can be very bad if you went down too often, took care of no specials and took no plasteel (arguably the most important stat)

blocking? I just parry with lsword

I play mordhautide

[torn gorge]

ammo taken is another disingenuous metric

[south prairie]

parry is based

[wild lantern]

and they dodge key and there melee key

[slow spade]

You're thinking people actually use it as intended

[kind scarab]

Most soloq people I met huff glue at the start of the game, which makes it that much more interesting

[south spindle]

You take that back! Plasteel is the most important stat on the board, because it lets you farm MORE plasteel

[slow spade]

True, I blocked this mouthbreathing psyker that died 6 times

[frank ledge]

Ammo taken should be measured against teamates and taken with the weapon of choice/damage

[dusty ferry]

Always go for the plasteel

[slow spade]

Indeed, saw a gun psyker that died (not go down) 6 times lmao

[south prairie]

plasteelmaxxing crew

[frank ledge]

I block no one, I just write them down so I can recognise them when I find them again and know what to expect

[slow spade]

My "rescue varlets" penance is that much closer 💪💪💪

[frank ledge]

Eventually I will have several pages of names and a small note on the issue

maybe some will improve and get crossed out

[torn gorge]

darktide servers crashing again

[forest maple]

Being able to see peoples weapons before the game starts is a decent indicator

[south spindle]

Ehh, yes an no, sometimes the result of someone in the team doing no damage is purely because someone else was taking all the ammo. Im looking at you zealots who pick up all the ammo when on white

[dusty ferry]

staring at those zealots who refuse to pick ammo even when red

[slow spade]

Brb picking up the ammo stash for 5 bullets on my recon

[frank ledge]

They can get accidents

[south spindle]

though its much less bad in this patch now ammo isnt a total scarcity

[iron marten]

when I see a plasma vet in my lobby and decide to switch to something else, then I regret that decision cause he's not using the plasma properly

[south prairie]

brother got an entire book of gurdges on bad players

respect

[forest maple]

Like, why are you queue'ing for auric damnation high int shock with 313 weapons even

[slow spade]

Yeah I stay out of Auric when a new update drops

[south spindle]

I mean.. in all fairness you can do AuricSTG with grey weapons

[slow spade]

Too many shitters that think they can take on a poxwalker

[frank ledge]

Some have learned! And got their name crossed, I found a guy I found ages ago in the beta and it was nice to see them become a monster

[sharp ember]

A teammate is down in a horde. The priest is channeling their relic and repelling the heretics. Do you:
A) keep smacking the 1 mauler of many
B) revive your teammate

[forest maple]

Yeah but i said its a decent "indication"

[south spindle]

Maelstrom is a bit more an ask, but you can likely still do it

[frank ledge]

I suggest everyone to do the same, it's quite fun longterm

[kind scarab]

Never look at the gear your teammates get, just that your own shit and assume you playing solo with bots

[wild lantern]

because it don't matter ?
are you the type of player who judge your mate only on there weapon rating ?

[forest maple]

better geared inspires more confidence in me

[kind scarab]

Thats how i play the game

[frank ledge]

Darcy is still on the list for inhaling ammo

[kind scarab]

[frank ledge]

[iron marten]

that's the thing, I usually do that when I'm in a premade

[sharp ember]

DEFINITELY not related to one of my previous matches

[forest maple]

It matters because most of the time, it's people that want to be carried that are also bad

[slow spade]

Thinking gear doesn't matter??? Are you insulting the Omnissiah's blessings Varlet???

[dusty ferry]

The downed teammate is the priest

[slow spade]

Brb scheduling you for Servitor treatment

[odd wind]

does sunder on Powersword 6 do anything

[forest maple]

I dont know how good anyone plays beforehand, i'm not god

so seeing your setup helps a bit

[dusty ferry]

Hence I use option C
SHOUT AND REVIVE

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-vermintide2-kruber-fall-mercenary-gif-26485751

[slow spade]

"Yes" but nowhere near as good as Slaughterer or Brutal Momentum

[south prairie]

bruh its all fun and games until someone waddles in with ALL GREY

[kind scarab]

C) I toss a grenade at my downed teammate cause I don't trust the zealot not to fuck it up somehow while I revive

[slow spade]

Whichever Hadron lets you get

[kind scarab]

[south spindle]

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. < Best way to approach pugs

[twin kettle]

Stopping power is a dump stat for lasguns right?

[flint rover]

@torn gorgelmk when u get 987k dmg homie

or even close

[wild lantern]

nop i'm just insulting the people who have near perfect gear saying its too hard to get good weapon in the game dying 10 time in 20 minute

[sharp ember]

fair we love grenade insurance

[dusty ferry]

Is it a smoke grenade

:3

[odd wind]

just swap sunder and supercharge out for power cycle and brutal momentum ig

[kind scarab]

Hadron can give you all the best weapons in the game, but she can't take away your skill issue

[sharp ember]

how good even are smoke staggers

[vivid ocean]

i leave the lobby if i see a smoke nade

[forest maple]

Before the game starts, would you prefer teammates that have better gear or worse

[kind scarab]

It can be if I'm feeling spicy

[south spindle]

Not great

[dusty ferry]

I dont think smoke is remotely decent

[forest maple]

before you know anything about how they play and how good they are

[wild lantern]

that my boy ! he is back !

[dusty ferry]

Anyways I shall head down to the auric trenches again

[south spindle]

They're useful in some situations, but they also require you to take Grenade Tinkerer and Exe/Bio-Optics

[dusty ferry]

I shall be back or not back

[kind scarab]

I'm not back, just waiting on my ride to work

[south spindle]

An even then, they dont have the same utility as Kraks/Shredders

[wanton dawn]

Frags are better than smoke. Except frags are bugged and worse than they should

[forest maple]

how are they bugged wtf

[wanton dawn]

No splosion dmg

[burnt sleet]

Veteran pentaces fixed???

[kind scarab]

Agreed, but with point tax rn on my melee build I go smokes

[south prairie]

i knew somethings wrong with the frags

[foggy terrace]

just take krak no?

[south prairie]

its fixed!

[wild lantern]

don't care, i just don't wan't a meta slav boltor/plasma power sword vet (due to ptsd since release) and spkyker with asail (and from xbox is a even bigger red flag for me)

[burnt sleet]

I am so happy rn

[foggy terrace]

like krak = crusher instakills

[twin kettle]

Is this bugged? I got this and I don't even play with Volly Fire. I use the shout

[wanton dawn]

Frags have still more utilities than kraks

[simple jetty]

Haha, you forgot
C: Use this moment of quiet to open boxes.

[foggy terrace]

yes but funny crusher oneshot and boss damage

[wanton dawn]

Kraks is a tech

[rugged bane]

Happened to me yesterday as well

[vivid ocean]

might've been a teammate's subnode counting somehow?

the highlight spec/elites for allies

[flint rover]

LOL and the ogryn eyeball penance can't be completed without an unupgraded box

[forest maple]

Well, it doesn't bother you, but it bothers me when i join the highest difficulty the game offers and i come across players that do not know basic mechanics and would not be good even for heresy

[twin kettle]

I also use revolver and secondary fire would not be able to do this

[flint rover]

change everything about every class, don't update teh corresponding penances at all

[topaz lance]

C) smack teammate

[simple jetty]

Still?!
Dang.

[flint rover]

very poggers

[twin kettle]

as that is just a melee attack?

[vivid ocean]

secondary fire is ads

[twin kettle]

Ohh..

[vivid ocean]

shove is special

[forest maple]

I mean, i've seen zealots dying to 3 poxwalkers today in auric t5 carnival

from full

[vivid ocean]

only secondary fire that doesnt count is plasma iirc

because its a chargeup

[vivid ocean]

cursed

[flint rover]

? helbores?

[vivid ocean]

its an ads

[flint rover]

i see

[vivid ocean]

the chargeup is linked to primary fire

[untold mulch]

helbore is pressing the primary fire

[vivid ocean]

yeah

[dusk idol]

so just ran the marksman focus keystone with as much leeway as i could give it

brauto aiming for heads in hordes

stacks dropped extremely quickly while sprint sliding

[untold mulch]

Marksman works better with full auto

which is funny af

[dusk idol]

and i never felt it was impactful

[wanton dawn]

Brauto is not really a marksman gun

[vivid ocean]

the finesse damage tho

[wild lantern]

sadly most of the dude i see in auric damna are just ne ready for damna, but we all need to go in damna, die 10 time for learning...right ? ...maybe....maybe they will learn to dodge and draw they damn op sword....

[foggy terrace]

the stealth vet in question

[flint rover]

biggest thing is the dmg buff you get from it is negligible, might as well just not take a keystone if you're going volleyfire

[vivid ocean]

fuckin speedload

[untold mulch]

The way the focus works, full auto weapons are better

[flint rover]

literally the only thing i think it would help on is bosses

[untold mulch]

unless you headshot everything like a madman