veteran-class

[slow spade]

except the voice of command nerf, I genuinely feel stronger

but I use plasma vet

[terse idol]

It could be a 3x scope or a 2x

But yeeahh

[frank ether]

I'd say not much changed for plasma shouty vet

[slow spade]

here's my build for reference

[eternal venture]

Oh is the scope fov already made?

[slow spade]

indeed

[manic spear]

i will always clutch on my MG1a no matter how many ppl tell me to use teh MG12

[terse idol]

I mean the helbore will perform better if it even gets a 1x

[flint lake]

Plus there’s maybe like 4 spots where a scope could ever been worth while.

[eternal venture]

That was my other big concern

[slow spade]

the biggest hit for me is that I can't take the +25% ammo

[amber cliff]

they need to remove that scavanger aura and make something else i swear

theres no way to balance it

[frank ether]

not a whole lot changed for melee vet either

[leaden skiff]

Confirmed Kill nerfed without a patch note?

[amber cliff]

its either useless or its a mustr pick

[terse idol]

Support vet and Weapon spec Infil vet feel pretty fun

[amber cliff]

theres no must pick

[slow spade]

the "ping = damage" keystone actually makes me feel stronger

[flint lake]

It’s in a mod on the Modder’s Darktide Discord.

[frank ether]

its just the ranged vet that feels bad because ET still bugged and marksman focus is a bit of a meme

[slow spade]

I don't even miss the 15% elite damage talent

[leaden skiff]

I didn't see anything about dropping 25+25 to 10+20

[broken palm]

I always used executioners stance and that tree line seems like it's been hit pretty hard

[frank ether]

There is potential in marksman it just needs to work more like surgical and less like a tf2 turret on a wheelchair

[eternal venture]

Ah yeah, I’m aware of the mod. I just didn’t know the scope fov was a thing

[terse idol]

I just wished they actually buffed the other aura's because survivalist is still the only good pick

[eternal venture]

That’s cool though

[terse idol]

And fire team being 5% is not noticable

[slow spade]

yeah the fucking nerfs for marksmen vets were insane

[slow spade]

ikr, strictly speaking my build would be a lot better with Fire Team

but I use plasma so I need all the ammo regen I can get

[terse idol]

I too am running a full middle build rn
With a plasma gun and yeeeahh

[amber cliff]

Survialist needs to be axed fr

[terse idol]

I'm shooting myself without taking Survivalist

AND my plasmagun has a bad ammo roll

🥹

I thought I could dump ammo

Oh lawd

[slow spade]

the new map is pretty rough for plasma too

[broken palm]

As someone that only plays marksman vet and nothing else, I may be spending some time playing something else until it gets changed lol

[slow spade]

a lot of spread out shooters

[frosty tree]

what's ET

[terse idol]

Yeahh, I hope someone deals with the shooters on Carnival

[slow spade]

Exhilerating Takedown

[frank ether]

^

[frosty tree]

sorry I am noob sire

[slow spade]

ikr, Exhilerating Takedown was my bread and butter but then I realized its shit now

[quaint valve]

Thought its been bugged for awhile

[slow spade]

I genuinely took it over Confirmed kill

[frank ether]

hard to judge sharpshooter vet because its so paper rn

[slow spade]

I didn't know for a while

[jolly jacinth]

is your build getting worse now?

[slow spade]

tbh with the ping keystone, MG1a is probably alright

as the damage bonus is surprisingly high

[frank ether]

on kill benefits are suprisingly ok

[quaint valve]

MG1a and MG4 more dps than mg12 now anyway. Just get fullautomod to save your finger

[slow spade]

you're not 1-shotting gunners like MK12 but consistent dps is pretty good now that there's more shooters

[frank ether]

I dont really value the extra damage against marked targets

more so the modifiers

that I think are decent

[slow spade]

the team wide 12% damage with upgrades is nice

[calm prairie]

MG1a is just cooler and is just as viable

[frosty tree]

bro aint nooooooway lol, that explains why i was getting mega clapped

[amber cliff]

i use the regen stamina on marked targets with my crit build

[quaint valve]

really only useful to delete monsters, but it wasnt too much of a problem before

[frosty tree]

I had that talent on

[amber cliff]

so even though im losing stamina aiming

imma get it back

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, I think the ping keystone might be the best of the 3

[frosty tree]

[slow spade]

yeah a 10-30% increase to damage taken is mega fucked

[frank ether]

real benefit is that you become a buff dispenser for the team

[manic spear]

lol yes but im really liking the right tree alot

[terse idol]

Right tree is so good

[manic spear]

even tho an atuogun works better

[hearty panther]

Ping is the easiest to reap benefits from. Fuck if if ain't boring tho

[manic spear]

but lasgun for the lore

lol

[terse idol]

Yeah, I ran one of those smaller headhunters with right side build and god damn

[frank ether]

there is also that yeah, of all the keystones its the easiest to use

[terse idol]

Mag dump

[jolly jacinth]

yeah loving lasgune for roleplay purposes

[acoustic wyvern]

man i feel so naked without iron will

[frank ether]

you say that but for a support build it fits in theme and gameplay

[slow spade]

honestly with all the shooters around, I might roll a MG1a (with full auto lmao)

[quaint valve]

full auto mod has made me love a lot more weapons

[hearty panther]

weak

[naive hatch]

I flip between the Ia and the XII

[hearty panther]

embrace the arthritis pain

[wanton dawn]

By the way, Target Down is what born leader wish it could be

[mellow grove]

aight ngl I retract my previous statement I do kinda like the middle tree keystone

[quaint valve]

vraks headhunter "auto" is my go to now

[hearty panther]

Born Leader is fine tbh

[frank ether]

I don't, but I respect it.

[carmine solstice]

so i think this is the best lol

[slow spade]

I don't think multiple people in a team should run it

[wanton dawn]

Born leader is useless. It is a tax that you are forced to use

[slow spade]

but 1 guy running it for damage and buffs is great value

[manic spear]

do not FUCK me omnissiah just give me headhunter so i can change a perk and my blessing

[frank ether]

now replace born leader with a random vet talent and there is 1 in 5 chance this sentence is still a fact

[hearty panther]

It's fine. Hardly useless, hardly useful, rarely something to conscientiously play around. But fine.

[terse idol]

TRUE

I hate the 10 percent

Oh

Woops

[carmine solstice]

i like the idea of the keystones but i think they are badly implemented

[terse idol]

Wrong talent I thought about

[hearty panther]

Oh. I retract my statements.

[slow spade]

yeah born leaders is mega fucked

[wanton dawn]

Oh look, a good implementation of born leader;

[slow spade]

you're better off with Covering Fire or Target Down

[frank ether]

some are better than others in implementation

some just feel bad because of talent tax

[wanton dawn]

I am hating on it since patch 13 !

[jolly jacinth]

lasgun build?

[carmine solstice]

glory hunter for born leader

[carmine solstice]

yeah and remove the lasgun point for plasma

[quaint valve]

if they could just pull a few blank nodes, maybe from the top

[frank ether]

no amount of extra talent points would fix marksman though

which is the only vet playstyle that needs urgent fucking help

[slow spade]

the problem is you give up Blaze Away for that and Blaze away is amazing on plasma (works on first shot lmao)

[terse idol]

It'sssss sooo squishy

[carmine solstice]

i tried to see if the 3 sec of movement feels good

[wanton dawn]

Born leader is arguably one of the worse talent of the vet tree

[carmine solstice]

i dont really feel it tbh

[terse idol]

I also hate camoflauge, because crouch is so silly

[hearty panther]

Fire Team

[frank ether]

Just the entire playstyle of marksman weapons, stuff like helbore, already so sluggish compared to melee vet to begin with, to further penalize is actual ogryn IQ tier move

[slow spade]

eh up to +40% damage on a gun with roughly 600 base damage can't be a bad idea at least

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but those are nade and aura

Plus fire team is not useless

[hearty panther]

Fr I can't get over that reload speed one being where it is on weapon prof lmao

[terse idol]

Smokes are fun smh

But you do need to invest into the upgrade

Which is a shame

[manic spear]

does the smaller skill tree mod still work in this patch?

[terse idol]

Fireteam and the Movement speed Aura are still the losers in this patch

[wanton dawn]

I would argue the worse talent would be exil takedown

[terse idol]

I would kill for 10% movevement speed

But 5% is just not noticable

[mellow grove]

is redirect fire even worth it compared to target down?

[astral blade]

where the tracking on krak nades

[manic spear]

https://tenor.com/view/im-comming-old-man-wheelchair-wheeling-gif-21494441

[pulsar drift]

Is 50 suppression good?

[frank ether]

move speed kinda eh but you have another %5 movement speed which gives you %10 total, not half bad.

[wanton dawn]

Both have great uptime

[quaint valve]

someone explain why T3 is better than T4

[terse idol]

it should give 10% base movement speed on the Aura

[mellow grove]

my poor points cant have both

[terse idol]

Because all vet aura is so bad

😌

[slow spade]

imo this is the worst talent (at least on paper)

[frank ether]

if you play with certain weapons melee vet is incredibly fast

[terse idol]

Yeah

[frank ether]

Trust me play melee vet with ciag for 1-2 games

[slow spade]

like when does the game ever let you get value from this lol

[frank ether]

you will never go back to sharpshooter vet

it will feel too slow

[manic spear]

bro i be HUCKIN this shovel around

[coarse wind]

Melee vet?

[terse idol]

I already left sharpshooter vet for melee and weapon spec vet

[pulsar drift]

Emm is 50 suppression okay?

[terse idol]

😌

[flint lake]

Only saving grace is that every vet will be taking Survival, opening up the opportunity for others to bring builds avoiding that node.

[pulsar drift]

Or should I take covering fire

As a sup vet

[willow badger]

whats ur weapon spec vet build

[obtuse dawn]

It's not, they didn't update the description on t4

[frank ether]

kinda pointless unless you go for suppression meme kinda build

[slow spade]

right side Vet build, one of the strongest Vet builds if not the strongest atm

[terse idol]

I salute the other vets who take the survivalist tax

[terse idol]

It's nothing concrete, I'm using a devil claw with a headhunter smg

[coarse wind]

I'm marksman with helbore currently.

[slow spade]

I made 1 build with Survivalist and 1 without just incase lol

[pulsar drift]

Okay and

[terse idol]

Like the small one it's kinda cute

[obtuse dawn]

Share the build, I am trying to make melee vet work too

[frank ether]

I guess if you're going like shredder autopistol or maybe braced auto supp is considerable?

[pulsar drift]

10 melee vs 50 nad dmg

[quaint valve]

good to know, although im going to replace that blessing anyhow

[obtuse dawn]

Would like to see how you do it

[wanton dawn]

In any case, made myself a frag/survivalist/middle bottom tree with plasma and PS. Feels great

[coarse wind]

Idk why but the bayonet stab is really good for some reason.

[terse idol]

It's not ready 🥹
I'm still playing it so I'll need to really test it

[frank ether]

depends on breakpoints? wdym by nad dmg

[obtuse dawn]

You using sword?

[terse idol]

I also took Smokes

[obtuse dawn]

Power sword

[pulsar drift]

Grenade dmg

[terse idol]

I use the devil claw

Because I die by the Parry

[frank ether]

Which grenade are you using?

[obtuse dawn]

Are you using the hand cannon bug?

Or making it work without that?

[wanton dawn]

Frags are great rn cuz horde density is through the roof

[terse idol]

Head cannon bug got fixed

Iirc anyways

[pulsar drift]

Krak

[frank ether]

right now frags are bugged and seemingly dont do any explosive damage so I would just take %10 melee damage.

[willow badger]

are you guys like the tag keystone or weapon spec better

[frank ether]

kraks I havent tested

[midnight mortar]

Frags are also bugged and not dealing any damage with the explosion.

[willow badger]

bruh

[terse idol]

Well I gotta play more Damnation to see, I don't have a min-maxed Infantry Autogun rn

[wanton dawn]

I don't mind, bleed and stagger is what I want from em

[spark helm]

Tag vet feels fine. Weapon specialist feels so fucking good.

[obtuse dawn]

Did it?

Ok so what's the trick with Dclaw? I find at least on my psyker it does really wimpy damage to carapace and pretty meh damage to things like ragers on the parry

[pulsar drift]

Something like these

[spark helm]

Yo new vet is fun as hell

[quaint valve]

uh the parry is amazing against ragers

[frank ether]

look at this shit, just look

[astral blade]

the underhand throw for krak nades tracking dont exist

[pulsar drift]

running power sword + revolver

[deep fable]

plasma have any decent blessings

[obtuse dawn]

I think I was only getting like 800 damage or something, maybe I remember wrong

[obtuse dawn]

Gets hot, blaze away

[terse idol]

Uh, blocking Also I need Shred, this sword isn't that good
All I know is I can parry Bosses, and all crushers + Maulers

[quaint valve]

well thats alot in one shot plus negating all damage

[pulsar drift]

Any suggestions on changing?

[frank ether]

if u can post me your build and tell what playstyle you want to go for I could help better

[astral blade]

but overhead throw for krak nades tracking works like normal

[wanton dawn]

Don't worry, fatshark will adjust vet next patch by turning every freaking node up to eleven and makes us the strongest class again

[obtuse dawn]

Hmm, do I need block efficiency and stam curios?

[pulsar drift]

I already did

[scenic lance]

Made this build, I think it's pretty solid and basic

[wanton dawn]

Cuz apparently they cannot do subtle adjustment

[frank ether]

mb one sec

[twin elk]

holy shit what are all these nerfs

[swift narwhal]

is it just me or is the new vet ranged capstone really bad designed?

[manic spear]

nothing my MG1a and shovel cant handle on damnation

[terse idol]

I run a +3 stamina curio and Stam efficiency stuff IIRC, but I don't entirely remember

[quaint valve]

i run stam, no block efficiency for me since i mix in alot of dodge

[swift narwhal]

like im forced to stand still to get some dmg

[terse idol]

It's uh

[astral blade]

seriously does anyone else notice that the underhand throw for krak nades tracking dont work?

[terse idol]

I mean I think you can make it work by just standing still for a second

That's the easy part

[twin elk]

does counter fire still highlight reapers?

[kind scarab]

Ngl, the new vet tree made shovel bearable to use for me

[terse idol]

Only if you upgrade it

And you have to trade counter-fire

[twin elk]

counter fire is the upgrade

[frank ether]

going for a support oriented build? I would consider field improvisation over grenade tinkerer

[pulsar drift]

Yea

[terse idol]

Yes they added the other one

[pulsar drift]

Oki

[terse idol]

So that it can target Ogrnns

[deep fable]

only nerf i can see is to voice of command

[twin elk]

reapers are ranged enemies

[frank ether]

field improv is one of those really underrated things that have big team value

[manic spear]

bro my shit digger be COOKIN for me rn this patch

[terse idol]

They're ogrnns

[twin elk]

they're also ranged

[cosmic aurora]

we still doomscrolling or we talking about how good right keystone is with revolver bois

[terse idol]

I mean you can test it in the Psykanarium

[pulsar drift]

But the focus fire is fun

[frank ether]

anytime there is a medipack deployed field improv will turn those into toughness dispensers and corrupt cleanse

[willow badger]

sweet jesus 700k damage

[kind scarab]

Right capstone, as long as you know how it works, is great for any singlefire high damage attacks

[frank ether]

was more than double pre-patch

[pulsar drift]

Focus target basically means infinite stamina for team

[astral blade]

krak nade tracking for underhand throw dont exist

[terse idol]

I'm gonna keep working on an Infantry Autogun right side build

[willow badger]

all my teams still getting clapped on damnation

[frank ether]

you can still hit 1m just need teammates to not participate enough

[kind scarab]

This tells me you still don't know how right side actually works currently. Or else you wouldn't be doing that.

[terse idol]

🥹

I just like to shoot fast

[frank ether]

gotta get the kinda teammates that shoot like 100 chaff in a 40 minute game

[quaint valve]

seems to be full auto weapons work well on left since you can proc stacks quickly, where right side really only benefits single shot weapons

[terse idol]

hmmmmm

[frank ether]

even better if you have like support oriented psyker you can just pump dps

meaningless stat

[kind scarab]

You get 1 ranged crit on your first melee kill, all other stacks only give you attack speed (or whatever the subnodes will tack onto your build, like reload)

[manic spear]

if i take deadly accurate off a headhunter i can put that blessing on a lasgun right?

[astral blade]

well guess no one cares about krak nade tracking

[quaint valve]

no, must be same weapon class

[terse idol]

I thought that melee weapon spec also gave you damage on melee

Oh no

[manic spear]

saved me my pearls thank u

[twin elk]

cool, counter fire no longer highlights reapers

[mellow grove]

tbh I never fuckin underhand nades to begin with

[kind scarab]

If you get a ranged kill. You get melee attack speed and dodge range + speed when switching back to your melee.

[terse idol]

Yes, you must invest

[twin elk]

it's literally a nerf

[terse idol]

[twin elk]

it highlighted them last patch

[terse idol]

I mean it worked like that before

[quaint valve]

i will say right side has made me stop spamming swap as much

[terse idol]

As in

Before the last patch

Where you also had to invest

[twin elk]

so another nerf

[kind scarab]

Then you're playing right side wrong I'm afraid

[marble hare]

No a 'fix'

[terse idol]

It is what it is

[trail totem]

holy shit weapon specialist sucks so much

[twin elk]

"all ranged enemies"

[terse idol]

No

Except reaper

Reaper's Ogrnn First Now

[quaint valve]

oh i mean like random swapping

[kind scarab]

You get more benefits from swapping around as quickly as you can and juggling which weapon you're currently using

[terse idol]

Then Ranged

[trail totem]

want so swap to a faster move speed secondary? no stacks for you shitass

[mellow grove]

you gonna start a firefight in here with them words

[quaint valve]

yeah i get that, i meant like swaping for animation fun not for use

[kind scarab]

Ahhhh

[cosmic aurora]

Being able to be clearing a horde and hotswap to revolver and have it autoreload so you can shoot specials/snipers is fantastic

[kind scarab]

Aight yea that checks out

[trail totem]

the effect is powerful and easily triggered

[kind scarab]

The basic effect being saltzpyres blessed shots is hilarious though

[trail totem]

but i wish it wouldnt just vanish when you need to do like 1 split second action with the other weapon

[frank ether]

also forgot to add you can drop %50 aura and competitive urge to grab precision strikes, it helps with both melee and ranged weakspots. You could also drop the extra stacks node for the keystone instead of %50 aura I guess, Idk how neccessary it is.

[spark hamlet]

Uhhhh

[midnight mortar]

<@&735928989146939404> I think we have a bot here?

[lime wyvern]

warning thats a scam

[spark hamlet]

Ty for deleting that

[midnight patrol]

Huh. Infiltrate marksman is.. Actually really good

[last pewter]

waaay ahead of you

[cosmic aurora]

ty wardens

[midnight mortar]

Thank you.

[spark hamlet]

“Wtf is this self promo bullshit”

[midnight patrol]

Allowed me to just be the slayer of gunners, shooters and snipers

[mellow grove]

man I was about to flame this piss out off the bot

[lime wyvern]

love ya!

[spark hamlet]

Mwah 💜

[tired ember]

lmao I saw the ping and was like "where tf is the bot post"

[kind scarab]

That's what I kept telling people, but most don't want to even aim

[tired ember]

friggin' nate and his omniscience

[spark hamlet]

I love aiming

[last pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/cruelty-squad-eye-crus-game-gif-26338334

[kind scarab]

Then use left tree. It's great.

[spark hamlet]

I also love braced auto guns

I do / did (haven’t had a chance to play post patch yet)

[lime wyvern]

expecially with the omnissiah's scopes

[kind scarab]

Ironically, left side capstone is better with full auto weapons. While right side capstone is better with single fire weapons.

[spark hamlet]

I can see how

[junior needle]

Infiltrate is insane utility for clutching but voc is more appreciable team protection

[kind scarab]

Despite the fact they seem to be designed for the opposite things entirely.

[cosmic aurora]

you just get so much value from autoreloading short magazine weapons with right side

[leaden skiff]

LOL so how many people are building to ignore the keystones entirely?

[trail totem]

is there any guides on smoke grenades? are they completely worthless? i've seen like 3 thrown around in 200 hours since 13

[frozen meadow]

I found the same thing doc

[frank ether]

I dont think full auto guns really care at all for the stand still modifier, you might aswell take 15 stacks on stuff like recons or iags

[junior needle]

That'll probably be me if I bother playing vet

[midnight patrol]

Yeah, but thankfully the other two Vets were all VoC's

[frozen meadow]

I can barely keep stacks up on precision weapons on left hand side tree but on recon I can keep it on max easily

[midnight patrol]

Allowed me to actually be a real squad sniper

[dusk jacinth]

hello vet chat

[plain heart]

Ah the usual problem I have on some of my Zealot loadouts as well

[trail totem]

theres so many good passives and the impact they have rival keystones

[kind scarab]

Yeah, you can definitely take the 15 stacks and often be fine. But I prefer the holding still one so if I'm in like an elevator or something, I'll always have stacks waiting for me during downtime.

[dusk jacinth]

commisar build please

[midnight patrol]

It helps when you're not being focused fired by said machinegunners, so can line up them heads

[plain heart]

wdym Veteran has Keystones?

[frank ether]

Yeah I played a few games of ciag and arrived on the same conclusion

[misty delta]

they’re pretty much only good on a true melee vet and even then you can rush down most targets. Even with the right build I’ve only had them come in clutch in the new map since gunners are so oppressive there

[frank ether]

I'm moving too much to make it work on helbore

and not shooting at chaff rly

[frozen meadow]

Standing still is death in this game

Idk what they were thinking

[midnight patrol]

Now I need to see if we have a cloak cosmetic to really lean into the active camo sniper

[plain heart]

Dodging doesnt remove stacks tho

Atleast according to the description

[kind scarab]

Dodging removes stacks

[trail totem]

not if you position yourself right

[delicate moat]

i want the enemy sniper drip

[trail totem]

or run camo

[midnight patrol]

Saaame

[golden axle]

trying to figure out these builds is a god damn headache when other classes is braindead cakewalk race to the bottom of the tree

[umbral scaffold]

i need a build that can carry a team stupid enough to rush through a daemonhost and then die to three maulers while trying to rescue a person

[midnight patrol]

That cloak is kinda nice

[frank ether]

the extra stacks work as buffer for you to move around anyways

[junior needle]

Shame their crit/weakspot mods are so low

[midnight patrol]

Also the camo keystone is a lot more useful than you think

[delicate moat]

why does enemy have NVG but we have to clutch torch pearls in the dark

no wonder so many traitors

they have better equipment

[midnight patrol]

The moment you stand still for even like, 5 seconds of counter shooter work, you're already at 10 stacks

[kind scarab]

Laspistol also works great with left side I found

[midnight patrol]

One tapping gunners and two tapping reapers that so happen to be in the way of your head clicking adventure

[plain heart]

"Stop moving to redirect ragers to nearby Psyker"

[junior needle]

It's basically tailor made for laspistol

[midnight patrol]

Speaking of NVG's, I need a mod to remove the NVG overlay when going stealth

[frank ether]

thats just going back to camo hunter zero brain cell vet gaming

[trail totem]

sometimes just staying on the ledge of point of no return and picking off whatever trash combat director decided to throw at your team is a viable option

[delicate moat]

this only works when there's not 4 vets all running -threat lul

[midnight patrol]

Made it pretty hard to see the gunners at range when counter sniping

[misty delta]

any build using stealth can do the trick if all you want is a res

[trim steppe]

What do you guys think, will it be a winner? Should I roll the Hadron lottery?

[plain heart]

Why was Serrated Blade moved to Close and Kill, now I have to run out of ammo without Survivalist again :X

[junior needle]

Go for it

[frank ether]

sure elite damage isnt the worst thing

[kind scarab]

You got elite damage on there, it's already a good perk

[junior needle]

Not as good as flak/maniac but it's something

[kind scarab]

^

I finally got around to remaking my old Colum into a better one

[trim steppe]

Not the best, but ok

[kind scarab]

Two more Hadron slams to go

Just get 2 perfect things

Ez

[trim steppe]

Whomp whomp! Could still be useable tho depending on that orange roll

[celest vine]

Never saw them

Must be bugged

[kind scarab]

I'd have given up at that point tbh

As soon as I saw that second perk

[trim steppe]

JACKPOT

[kind scarab]

Not terrible honestly

Now replace hit and run and Damage to pox

[pure cloud]

how is the veterans doing

is new patch treating you well

[trim steppe]

I'll take deathspitter / elite!

[junior needle]

Many people appear to be unhappy with the changes

[plain heart]

That's just my Loadout for the Recon VId cause I refuse to stop using it entirely cause I enjoy the LasDakka

[kind scarab]

It's fine, if you're willing to make sacrifices and adapt your playstyle

[leaden skiff]

Please stop asking, you know we are in pain

[pure cloud]

what is the adapt

[pure cloud]

maybe

[misty delta]

people will always be unhappy (I am people)

[delicate moat]

join Captain Wolfer

[haughty marlin]

Guys melk gave me something good for once stop the presses

[kind scarab]

Learn to use the keystones along with your old nodes to make your build do the same damage it did before

[misty delta]

idrc as long as we have new content and that’s exactly what we got so I won’t complain

[pure cloud]

i see

[midnight patrol]

I'm going to see if this stealth sniper build works just as well on the other maps

[junior needle]

Maybe if they gave vet more points you could do that better

[haughty marlin]

370+ kantrael with fire frenzy and no respite

[obsidian umbra]

its impossible to do so, you cant get your old builds becuase there are too many garbage stat nodes cluttering up the trees

[midnight patrol]

Thank you Brunt

[kind scarab]

Left is fine if you're using a high firerate weapon. Right is great for slow weapons. Middle is great if you want to be team support and help people have like 32% damage against single targets that are annoying you

[plain heart]

If I did the math right I think I do even more damage now even without the Keystone bonus on my Melee Build

[junior needle]

(OP on revolver, unimpressive on automatics. Great melee boost though).

[unique sorrel]

they should just put all the good nodes next to each other

[trim steppe]

Very nice roll my friend

[midnight patrol]

Could use more ammo, but hey, sniper rifle

[misty delta]

I think people would like the keystones better if we weren’t left with literally 0 points after taking them + all our other skill taxes

[delicate moat]

1/4, hadron is laughing

[kind scarab]

I had no issues remaking all my old builds using the new stuff to supplement it

I did however, have to lose out on grenade nodes + Med crates for that

[junior needle]

Oh yeah, plasma will reach some breakpoints with a guaranteed crit wouldn't it

[kind scarab]

But those were a luxury not a necessity for me

[trim steppe]

We'll see how it performs

[mystic belfry]

jtcLive put out a vide on every good attack combo for every weapon

melee weapon that is

[misty delta]

sheeesh 🥶

[junior needle]

I still think there's too many travel nodes and ones that just do nothing appreciable.

[kind scarab]

Agreed

[junior grail]

Some are to preference though, not all are perfectly correct

[kind scarab]

The tree is functional and usable

[plain heart]

Meanwhile, the "All the Nades" loadout got Visually Buffed, with most of the nodes so close together

[junior grail]

Agreed

[kind scarab]

But I'd like for it to be less LONG

[mystic belfry]

Obviously it's to taste, I just noted it because it's a great resource

[twin elk]

swap born leader and inspiring presence then remove inspiring presence

[quaint valve]

but how was hadron?

[twin elk]

please

[kind scarab]

or at least have more interconnectivity so I can grab more nodes I want, and less travel nodes I don't need

[midnight patrol]

I haven't Hadroned it yet lol

I'm collecting

[plain heart]

Wait, For the Emperor no longer locks Low Profile?

[misty delta]

it’s too hard to grab things on opposite sides of the tree rn

[junior grail]

Dangerously tight, but heavenly with lubricants

[misty delta]

so you’re either forced to forgo keystones or commit to a cookie cutter build

[plain heart]

just for go the keystones

[golden axle]

Is Onslaught working?

its either borked or im dumb

[misty delta]

I hear it doesnt apply to either melee or ranged I forget which one

[delicate moat]

wait does twin blast work for smokes?

[mystic belfry]

I heard melee

[plain heart]

It should?

[delicate moat]

LMAO

[golden axle]

seems like melee from what im testing here

[midnight patrol]

.. Spess M16?

[willow badger]

ugh any tips for melee with maulers

[misty delta]

this is the most m16 thing I’ve seen from that mod

[mystic belfry]

What weapon

[midnight patrol]

Yeah I'm rolling with it lmao

[wind bone]

did we get those cosmetics that they give to pc players

in the update

[misty delta]

looks good lol 👍

[plain heart]

Onslaught doesnt apply to melee what?

[golden axle]

im testing rn, its not appyling

[swift narwhal]

end of this month

[wind bone]

wack

[acoustic wyvern]

Don't melee with maulers

[misty delta]

carrying on the tradition of vet being bugged to hell 💀

[mystic belfry]

What weapon are you using for meleeing maulers

[sharp brook]

How hard can it be to make a talent tree that has a ranged dps build, a team buff officer build and a commando build?

[midnight patrol]

Hadron seems nice enough to me.

[misty delta]

one build for all? or three builds total?

[midnight patrol]

Just need to swap out one or two things

[mystic belfry]

🤔 Or you could not answer I guess

[plain heart]

Do you have the debuff showing thing on to confirm that?

[golden axle]

watching the dmg number be unchanged, does for ranged though

[umbral scaffold]

the headshot keystone is very fun

[acoustic wyvern]

ii got a build for ranged dps and team buff but not commando

[sharp brook]

Btw when I say commando I mean stealth, demolition and melee oriented build. A guy who likes to keep a shotgun. For close encounters.

[mystic belfry]

Ew, stealth melee

[plain heart]

I always just go VoC melee

with a Plasma

and a BleedKnife

[gusty bison]

What weapon r u using

[willow badger]

ps6

just practicing my melee fundamentals in meatgrinder

dodging and timing blocks and shit

[gusty bison]

Charged block cancel into push attack strike down does a shot ton of damage

[golden axle]

i mean with that you could just slideback activate or go for the classic push attack L4 combo

youre spoiled for choices on a PS6

[mystic belfry]

Wait for the overhead, dodge it, then your normal push attack light attack

[delicate moat]

okay this patch doesn't affect full smoke build much, time to run it in pubs

[willow badger]

yeah thats what i'm doing

am trying to handle 3 of them at once tho

just to get used to dealing with hordes of em

[delicate moat]

do u have sunder

[acoustic wyvern]

i think its really hard then? You want all the trees but i doubt you can specialize in any role

[mystic belfry]

So is this there version of a smoke nade buff?

[sharp ember]

if against multiple you just have to respect them and give up ground to keep your distance

[mystic belfry]

Putting 10% melee damage under it

[delicate moat]

with sunder i just mindlessly light attack spam

[willow badger]

nope

pretty much pc4

[delicate moat]

[willow badger]

also practicing more horde chaff skills

so i dont get mobbed

[sharp ember]

i cant tell off the top of my head if powered lights or powered heavies do better against multiple maulers

[mystic belfry]

Fighting 3 maulers is the same as fighting one mauler, just with a tighter opening. Might be worth only doing the push attack

[delicate moat]

non-sunder gets stuck on first mauler because carapace right?

[plain heart]

Only if you hit head

[mystic belfry]

Get the first mauler into one-shot range, then use brutal momentum and cleave a heavy through him into the others

Then go back to push attack light attack

What exactly you do depends on your breakpoints, but that's the way I would go about it

[sharp ember]

in a real mauler fight with a mixed horde, i'm slightly worried about burning stamina to do the push attack combo when you might need to preserve stamina for controlling the horde

[acoustic wyvern]

lights

[sharp ember]

depends on if you know you can get away with it

[mystic belfry]

I run +3 stam and stamina regen for a reason

[delicate moat]

in a mixed hoarde with crushers and maulers, sunder ps6 light spam makes it a cakewalk

it's not the most dmg, but it's pretty safe

[mystic belfry]

But you don't have to kill the mauler in one burst

Doone push attack light attack, kill some horde, then finish him off when you have more stam

it's a mixed horde, you don't need to burst it down instantly

I would lean toward light heavy heavy over light light light personally

[delicate moat]

what gets me is when a mauler/crusher overhead targets a teammate that wasn't originally meant for me

but then teammate dodges into my position

[mystic belfry]

Always assume an overhead is aimed at you

Every time

Even when it's not currently facing you

[acoustic wyvern]

don't let crushers near you, shoot its head

[mystic belfry]

Nah, you can melee crushers fine

[scenic lance]

Hmm not sure how to feel about the focus stacks for marking

[acoustic wyvern]

its great

[scenic lance]

Yeah but idk if it's worth having 8

[acoustic wyvern]

the stacks builds fast and you get bonuses

[scenic lance]

Cause in auric damn and auric maelstrom you're just marking shit non stop

[mystic belfry]

You know, I still don't see a world where someone bothers to run twinned blast

[acoustic wyvern]

well mark em and kill em and stack and mark again

twinned blast got buffed and it works so well with shredder nades

at 20% of course

[scenic lance]

Im saying most of the time when I mark something i have 3-4 stacks lol

And that's like, hopefully

[acoustic wyvern]

isnt that good? Constant killing and marking means 10s buffs refreshes

[scenic lance]

Yes but I'm saying that

[delicate moat]

smoke build

[scenic lance]

This skill isn't really worth it

it's a nice little bonus but you're only getting to use it once in a blue moon

[gusty bison]

Imagine not having 16 stam

[mystic belfry]

I honestly don't know if I should be taking Skirmisher or Exploit Weakness here

[acoustic wyvern]

free talent point then

[umbral scaffold]

genuinely

[mystic belfry]

Probably Skirmisher?

[umbral scaffold]

wth fatshark

you debuff our best skill and give us garbage keystones

[scenic lance]

This is my class setup rn

[naive hatch]

I never see Executioners Stance being run...why is that?

[acoustic wyvern]

vet squishy

[serene sage]

this dude was so close to greatness

[golden axle]

VoC is better

[chilly jewel]

i find the dmg bonus to be kinda weak, i tend to prefer the additional 3 stacks for the increased toughness

[mystic belfry]

... For three seconds?

[serene sage]

3 WHOLE seconds

[mystic belfry]

I guess they only want people to face tank a boss with it, or something? Idk

[civic knot]

What do plasma gun builds look like now? im not using "it gets hot"

[serene sage]

that' like three (3) of one (1) whole second

[midnight mortar]

That's enough for one whole push attack! Wowee!

[sharp ember]

@gusty bison grab this for your shoves

[mystic belfry]

Why not just make the 10 seconds the normal buff lasts

[hollow solstice]

Can be good for clutching with devils

[acoustic wyvern]

10 seconds is long...really long

[mystic belfry]

Yeah

[junior needle]

The damage

[delicate moat]

im going to rock this build for a couple of matches

[mystic belfry]

But as someone that uses stamina more than the average player I've talked to, I just don't see much utility from this

[golden axle]

fuck this node man, all my build attempts are 1 point off from attaining acceptable perfection

[mystic belfry]

It's only 25% , so it's not a crazy reduction, and it's only 3 seconds ,so the overall value is low

If it was higher in either category I'd probably take it

[umbral scaffold]

my current setup

[delicate moat]

no survivalist, kicked

[chilly jewel]

don't you feel a bit squishy since you avoided the toughness regen nodes?

[low oar]

I haven't been able to play. Did they add back ogryn targeting to volley fire?

Pls say yes

[golden axle]

its a modifier yes

[chilly jewel]

yes but you gotta spend a point to augment it

[umbral scaffold]

not really I the commanding shout skill replenishes my toughness fast enough and I can spam dodge with my chainsword

[umbral scaffold]

not enough points ;-;

[low oar]

screams with glee in plasma

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/boomshakalaka-gif-25687559

[true echo]

Dont forget to get orgyn highlights you sacriffice all shooters

[low oar]

It's a plasma gun

Why would I be focusing on shooters with plasma

[chilly jewel]

I really wish they didn't make the end of our tree 3 long seperate routes....

[sleek cairn]

@formal lake wuts the call now? right side all the way? do u still go mid

iron will and all

[low oar]

Vet tree needs some condensing. There isn't really too much focus and there's just shit everywhere

[blissful fractal]

Best melee weapon?

[mystic belfry]

I think this is what I'll go with

[blissful fractal]

Personally really likin chain sword

[blissful fractal]

The revive on mid ability is goated

[low oar]

Like why the fuck does every keystone and combat ability have like 30 child nodes

[mystic belfry]

I've used it

[vernal nova]

New tree is a big L

[mystic belfry]

It's got five nodes and I only really felt like I needed one

[blissful fractal]

Really? I quite like it

[delicate moat]

man if i build for smokee i cant reach the melee attack speed node

[low oar]

It feels like bloat

[blissful fractal]

it could use some cleaning

but 🤷

[low oar]

Definitely needs some refinement

[mystic belfry]

Conditioning and invigorated should be the same node

[vernal nova]

Why did they choose to nerf existing nodes? Vet was already under performing

[mystic belfry]

Who's going to run these for one talent a pop

In a weird buff, we just have a normal node that's +10% melee damage now?

[quaint valve]

i dont mind bad nodes at the bottom, saves me talent points

[plain heart]

I am

[mystic belfry]

Why

[plain heart]

trying them out right now

[mystic belfry]

Just one a single Curio with +3 stam and stam regen

It's enough

[plain heart]

I got 2x +3 stamina curios on my melee build

[quaint valve]

all the stam

[mystic belfry]

That's massive overkill

[plain heart]

Thats what Im here for

wh40k IS overkill

[mystic belfry]

But not useful overkill

[blissful fractal]

🗿

[marble hare]

What about running conditioning for deadshot lasgun build

[mystic belfry]

Doubt it would matter that much

[blissful fractal]

Cant decide what the best lasgun is

[trail totem]

might as well be innate

[blissful fractal]

Infantry is nice

but recon is more forgiving

[mystic belfry]

Invigerated could be okay for Deadshot

[trail totem]

PS poke enjoyers would really like those

[mystic belfry]

Not really?

[swift narwhal]

also why does the fruggin chat not work

when im ingame

[mystic belfry]

You don't need much more stam than you have at base, and it's squared with one, maybe two curios

[delicate moat]

can anyone else run this build in a game and share their experience: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a9db0b6-8da3-4d8c-8c1a-37a4416d13e9/ventilation-purge-simulator?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[mystic belfry]

Works fine for me

[chilly jewel]

rending and brittleness has no effect on unarmored right?

[mystic belfry]

no

[sharp ember]

i would say recon is more unforgiving with how it guzzles ammunition and lacks the burst damage or stagger to stop priority targets

[swift narwhal]

i mean when im in a mission

works for me in mourningstar too

[mystic belfry]

gimme a sec to load in

[elder dawn]

is executioners stance dead in favor of shout

[bitter turtle]

i wonder

[mystic belfry]

Exe is still good tbh

[bitter turtle]

is out for blood maybe better than nerfed CK

[bitter turtle]

can chuck a frag in a crowd for big toughness gain

[swift narwhal]

hmm

weird

like i can type but it wont let me send the message

[tender rose]

happens if you get dc'd from the chat/voice server, gotta reboot game to fix it

[blissful fractal]

Shout enjoyer

[plucky agate]

Using it for my backline Focus tree sniper. It still my go to for erasing gunners with 1 shot with my Kantrel IX

[blissful fractal]

revive is just to good to pass up

[plucky agate]

Plasma Shout builds get stale after a while

[elder dawn]

revive is stinky

[blissful fractal]

Is kantreal IX better than XII?

[elder dawn]

i am a XII believer

[swift narwhal]

ah gotcha

[elder dawn]

but i am also a vraks VII fiend

[plucky agate]

9/10 theres already gonna be a shout revive guardsman so i usually just go with executioner

[plain heart]

So do Brauto builds, thats why I still have a loadout with a VId in it :P

[blissful fractal]

[queen fox]

whats the meta for chainswords rn

[plucky agate]

Im more of a Hellbore enjoyer too

[golden axle]

someone else test onslaught please and tell me im not crazy

[naive hatch]

I too am a back-line deleter ;P

[elder dawn]

i would play helbore if i ever roll surgical 4

[plucky agate]

2 shotting armor ogryns is fun

[marble hare]

executioner with counter-fire vraks + tagging for support + damage pretty fun.

[plucky agate]

plus it goes with my Krieg cosplay

[gusty bison]

Left one is solid

Right one less so

[plucky agate]

my bad i meant XII lasgun, this thing bops any range heretic. WIth suppresion immunity and range immunity. literal plot armor against gunners

[bitter turtle]

which onslaught

hb or the talent

[golden axle]

talent, is not applying on melee, just ranged.

[torpid hedge]

the Inf Lasgun feels so underwhelming w/ Focus Target

[golden axle]

Has it always been that way? New Bug? etc idk

[bitter turtle]

should be easy to check

let me see

[torpid hedge]

Gotta test the Headhunter next

[bitter turtle]

ya

not working on melee

[golden axle]

appreciate you

[bitter turtle]

let me check if its not working on grtenade

[gusty bison]

3x +3 stamina or bust

[bitter turtle]

i think it no longer works with shredder nade too

betting

[gusty bison]

Tbf my build needs it

[bitter turtle]

they nerfed that

and accvidentally messed up melee too

[gusty bison]

I think Inf Las doesnt benefit that much from it

[naive hatch]

If I could ever get the game to behave for longer than 3 seconds I'd screencap my XII.

[golden axle]

Oh Fatshark, fatshark. You catch the plasma gun bug too?

[naive hatch]

Hoping for a better roll at some point in the future.

[bitter turtle]

or maybe

let me see

harder to test teh nade tbh

[atomic zephyr]

vraks 7 with focus fire kinda goes hard

[gusty bison]

Aye

[cosmic aurora]

revolver with weapon specialist probably my favorite of the 3 so far

[slim ocean]

Focus fire is definitely my favorite keystone

[bitter turtle]

im PRETTY sure its no longer working with nade

[plucky agate]

This has been my very first legendary since game release. It has sentimental value now

[atomic zephyr]

yeah im enjoying focus fire

[cosmic aurora]

auto reloading revolver so i can hotswap in middle of clearing horde to dome specials

[atomic zephyr]

feels nice to mark a target and knock it down

[gusty bison]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1173949979547680839/image.png?ex=6565d11e&is=65535c1e&hm=813a569292fb205d0a244abfb46c76c4055d15adb58f7e360e05b4c3074d4cf5&

[atomic zephyr]

vraks 7 with focus fire, deadly accurate and surgical

mwah

[plucky agate]

Once had a run with a Shout revive guardsman and a Mark target Guards man with me as focus fire and a Psyker Dome shield.. we breezed through Auric Maelstrom. GOod times

[gusty bison]

New keystones can let vraks do some insane shit

Bad maniac damage? Lol no more

[atomic zephyr]

funny i just got out of a round like that

well no shout revive

just shout

was so nice

[bitter turtle]

@golden axle nvm it still works with nade

after more testing

so i guess its just melee

idk

???

[plucky agate]

Guy didnt even get to use the revive part we were doing too god no one got downed poor guy

[bitter turtle]

for sure melee isnt working though, every hit was doing a flat number

[atomic zephyr]

lmao

[plain heart]

I'm guessing that even when I try to go for the Tagging keystone, I will just forget that it exists

[bitter turtle]

was hard to tell with grenade since the bleed procs kept showing up for dmg numbers

but im pretty sure it still works

[torpid hedge]

Its a combination of Shout being less popular and the need for more accurate weapons and Focus Target being, imo, the only good capstone

[plucky agate]

it has a unique UI marker to show its the TAG keystone

[tiny yew]

Okay let me just see if I understand this here... they literally made a Keystone (with 6 attachments no less) on the right tree, whose only saving grace is the 33% stacking crit, which even with that and the potential melee speed still does not seem a better option than simply getting Agile Engagement's 25% flat dmg increase on every alternating kill... am I just insane for looking at this tradeoff and going 'wtf is going on inside their head?' XD

[queen fox]

so i found out 3 weapon specialist stacks actually give 100% crits for 5 seconds when used, can dump a whole revolver in that time

what blessings are you using instead of surgical?

[plucky agate]

Usually dosent last a second cuz the guy is dead

[golden axle]

thanks for checking, the melee is a bummer though jeez.

[gusty bison]

Wait what. The other two capstones are better

Well maybe not for inf las

[plain heart]

You think I look at anything other than the gore my Sword or Knife spreads on my screen?

[atomic zephyr]

sadge
so close to breakpoint

[gusty bison]

Inf las kinda just wants no capstone

[patent valley]

mk3 or mk6 powersword?

[atomic zephyr]

wouldnt be an issue if it was deadly accurate 4

[plucky agate]

fair point

[atomic zephyr]

this is what a tag looks like

[queen fox]

im very happy with this revolver

[torpid hedge]

Its cringe to jump through hoops to get buffs, its more efficent to just have the buff whenever you shoot something

[gusty bison]

Whats ur vraks. The flak rager should be an easier BP

[queen fox]

almost perfect

[gusty bison]

The right keystone barely has any hoops and the middle one is really easy to use

[plucky agate]

yeah every run we had that, target dies within half a second. guess the damage buff is too good

[bitter turtle]

too bad the middle one is just not worth it lol

[gusty bison]

The left one is the one with the most baggage

[bitter turtle]

dropping it increased my damage by a shitton

[brazen meadow]

After a year of trying to get a good powersword , finally got a decent one

[bitter turtle]

and just grabbing other talents

[gusty bison]

Weapon dependent

Plasma likes it for instance

Cos it has shit finesse

[bitter turtle]

shouldnt plasma go right

anyway

[atomic zephyr]

well typically elites die in half a second anyway if the team is good, bonus is the 5% free toughness for every dead mark

[gusty bison]

Mid or right

Depends on your pref

[queen fox]

this game needs a weapon trading system

[bitter turtle]

either way

[plucky agate]

I tried running the right tree with plasma gun and Chainsword. it kinda worked when i had ammo for the plasma

[bitter turtle]

its dumb for half our guns we're still doing the exact same thing of not getting keystones as prepatch

except even worse cause the ynerfed shit like CK

[trim steppe]

decent Man that thing is almost perfect

[torpid hedge]

I mean idk, it punishes a lot of melee only builds or shoot only builds

[bitter turtle]

granted my ttk on crushers with iags went up a bit with the shuffle on talent locations

[gusty bison]

Well ngl CK's new placement opened up access to new talents

[brazen meadow]

I wanted 25% mutant damage but I’ll settle

[plucky agate]

ah a mKVI enjoyer as well

[gusty bison]

I mean you shouldnt be doing melee only as vet

And shoot only is not practical atm

[bitter turtle]

CK's placement sucked before, yeah, because of tax nodes more than anything

idk why its placed where it is now

[brazen meadow]

Based

[torpid hedge]

we have one company to blame

[trim steppe]

maniac damage is mutant damage tho

[patent valley]

is the mk6 better?

[golden axle]

absolutely

[brazen meadow]

Meant maniac *

[tender rose]

because fuck you thats why?

[queen fox]

mk6 is better but also much harder to use

to its full power

[rain crane]

godlike?

[patent valley]

any specific reasoning?

[bitter turtle]

also born leader being a tax node that only exists for middle tree is

[gusty bison]

The new tree makes deadshot and precision strikes a lot easier to pick up. Esp since u dont need to dive for CK

[bitter turtle]

ya that's why I said, my dmg did go up a bit tbf

[queen fox]

push->chop combo can 2hit crushers

[bitter turtle]

but i still prefer the old tree if you asked me which i'd take

[golden axle]

No. Stability is harsh and 3 things need to be re-rolled. 2 if you can concede flak staying.

[gusty bison]

I like the new one.

Its better for crab style builds

[fast wind]

heyo! what do y'all recommend as blessings on a revolver?

[gusty bison]

Surgical handcannon

[golden axle]

surgical/hand cannon

[rain crane]

oh :/

[patent valley]

handcannon, surgical, crucian roulette

[rain crane]

what is the dump stat on laspistol

[desert hawk]

ammo

[bitter turtle]

it just feels actually even harder than before to reach the bottom lol

[desert hawk]

(or mobility if you're pressed)

[golden axle]

stability matters on the laspistol as you need need need to hit weakspots for it to be worth it. So a mix of ammo/mobility is the dump.

[gusty bison]

Oh yea this i agree

[bitter turtle]

now i want to dip into literally all 3 bottom trees

[rain crane]

gotcha

rip

[bitter turtle]

idk it feels bad

[gusty bison]

I only try for some guns

[rain crane]

i thought flak was a good perk too

[bitter turtle]

i already gave up 3 nodes I took pre patch like extra nades

[desert hawk]

thats because it is

[bitter turtle]

and i still cant reach the bottom lol

[desert hawk]

it takes 33 points

to get to the bottom

Veteran: 33
Ogryn: 28
Zealot: 25
Psyker: 28

[gusty bison]

For me I find most guns dont need +25% oggy or +15% elite

[desert hawk]

to reach the bottom

[golden axle]

you want crit/maniac as the perfect perks but you could take maniac/flak on that pistol in particular but the stability huuurts

[gusty bison]

For the few that do I pick up the node

[desert hawk]

waaay too many tax nodes

[plucky agate]

Is it even worth it to get the extra 5 stacks of focus ?

[desert hawk]

I find I never hit 5

[gusty bison]

Yes

[rain crane]

well you waste crafting mats and you learn i guess

[gusty bison]

It means it takes longer for stacks to fall below ur breakpoints

Cos its really fast to stack headshot kills

[plucky agate]

i find it harder to ram up to 15 usually the engangements already done by the time i hit 15

[rain crane]

is ghost not the blessing u want on las?

[gusty bison]

What difficulty are u playing on

[brazen meadow]

I find it useless to take in HISTG just because there’s so many enemies you wind up just getting a stack or two unless you save , but then if you save it taking longer to kill everything

[plucky agate]

aurics all the time

damnation mostly

[golden axle]

Ghost with infernus or dumdum is optimal

[plucky agate]

depends on mission type

[patent valley]

the push stab attack, or after a push, u do a light/heavy attack?

[gusty bison]

Auric damn should easily get u 15 stacjd

Cos thats only 5 headshots

Each headshot is 3 stacks

[midnight mortar]

*kills

[gusty bison]

(At least eith a vraks 7)

[midnight mortar]

Just to be clear.

[plucky agate]

i guess my teamates always to good

[gusty bison]

My bad ye each headshot kill

[golden axle]

push attack into a light attack click yes. Do note with the talent tree changes its become a little harder to hit the breakpoint to two-tap crushers in damnation.

[gusty bison]

I mean if everything is dying before you can get 5 headshot kills

What gun r u using. That might be the problem

[patent valley]

so if u have a melee build u can do it

[golden axle]

it needs to be melee focused yes

[plucky agate]

Kantrel XII or MK1 Hellbore, depending on the drip

[patent valley]

alright

[gusty bison]

Thats the wrong keystone ur thinking of

Btw

[gusty bison]

Oh thats why

Both dont like that keystone

Helbore often goes for bodies vs mooks and XII does not like pressure so u need to swap off it a lot

[rain crane]

anyone have a talent tree screen shot handy for new commissar builds?

[patent valley]

do krak always one shot crushers?

[plucky agate]

yeah good point, i like hitting 10 stacks just at the start of engagement .

[spark hamlet]

No

[patent valley]

or does the +50% dmg matter

[bitter turtle]

+50% dmg matters only for monstros

it always oneshots crushers

[patent valley]

alright

[plucky agate]

90% of the time they will if you stick it

[spark hamlet]

I’ve had some jank throws

[patent valley]

gotcha

[spark hamlet]

But that’s probably just bulwark shenanigans and you were asking about crushers

[patent valley]

thinking of trying out a full grenade build

[plucky agate]

if you throw it on a group but you threw low it wont

[patent valley]

like all the grenade shenanigans, including the 20% for double grenade throw

[plucky agate]

well some times

[bitter turtle]

twinned is still a meme and shit*

dont bother

[stone birch]

Eh, i like marksman's focus on Helbore. Makes everything take no more than two shots to kill, as long as I actually fully charge my shot. Most things die in a single hit.

[queen fox]

after the push you do a light attack, and its the 4th light attack in the chain, the strikedown attack
at least before the tree mixup, you could get the right talents and buffs for the stab and the strikedown to kill a crusher

[bitter turtle]

sorry, meant twinned lol

but yeah

grenade build is fun

i always take most of the perks

just dont bother with twinned

its not worth it

even with the slight buff lol

im surprised they didnt just delete the thing

[marble hare]

Slight?

Wasn't it 5% before

[bitter turtle]

went from 10% to 20% chance

[mystic belfry]

I can't justify taking a 20% chance to double nade

[bitter turtle]

wow its now effectively a 20% dmg boost compared to 10% before

[potent canyon]

Any recommendations on what to change?

[mystic belfry]

One, it's only any good o nshredder, two it's unreliable as hell

[bitter turtle]

that's... totally not worth a point compared to tinkerer giving 50% lol

[plucky agate]

Maybe if they made it like the last grenade you throw will be double or something

[bitter turtle]

and still unreliable as hell yeah

[plucky agate]

then itl be justified

[mystic belfry]

That would just always be x2 shredder nades Cap

[patent valley]

still not sure how to force it to be the 4th attack

[stone birch]

doubled as a buff, but extremely situational. a single tinkered krak grenade is guaranteed death for anything that's not a monstrosity.

[patent valley]

tried out a couple of times in the psykanium, havent succeeded in having the 4th attack being empowered

probs need power cycler 4

[mystic belfry]

Shredder gets the most from double nades

[fading anvil]

I'd say just make it 100% chance for double nades if you killed an elite or something. Basically a mini Psyker's EP for Vet

[mystic belfry]

But it's a 1/5 chance

most times you throw every nade you have, it won't proc on average

Just like make it a 20% to not use a nade when thrown

Then it's useful for people that want nade spam

[gusty bison]

Grenadier vet

Lmao

[torpid hedge]

Also heres a funny moment during testing

[mystic belfry]

Speaker of grenadier vet

Super lame that tagging is the only capstone that interacts with nades

And really, it's only for feeding bosses krak

[stone birch]

that one use is hilariously fun tho. feeding a chaos spawn 4-6 krak grenades at once. It did so much krak that it died.

[ivory rock]

Tried marksmans focus with my revolver, again like I said, has potential, but moving losing stacks can be a nuisance, I wish it relied more on marksmanship of the player

[mystic belfry]

I guess, but it's not even vets best boss melting option

[stone birch]

best? no. Fun? YES

[mystic belfry]

I find melee boss kills more fun tbh ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[placid portal]

Been just vibing without keystones

[ivory rock]

Marking a boss and then going invis to nade spam them w twinned blast is p funny

[mystic belfry]

Honestly ,even using the swap keystone a bit

Not sure I want to even bother with it overly much

[stone birch]

that's fine. I think drowning things in unnecessary jank is a hoot and a half. This is why I play Ad-Mech in TT lol

[placid portal]

Twinned blast guaranteed?

[sullen scarab]

Do you think its better for me to swap terrifying barrage on this to Fire Frenzy IV, or swap weakspot damage to Maniac on this Columnus V?

[placid portal]

Ye swapping terrifying barrage is an ok call

[midnight mortar]

Especially considering close range is still listed as 8ms in the files.

[placid portal]

Gotta love using raking fire vs beast of nurgle

[ivory rock]

not guaranteed, but they upped the chance to 20% and it deff made a huge difference

[gusty bison]

Also btw IAGs dont need maniac damage

Take unyielding instead of maniac

[placid portal]

Finally, might be more reliable once in a while

[ivory rock]

went invis against a plague, threw my 3 kraks, split twice, health went from 60k to 15k

[placid portal]

New krak epidemic

[ivory rock]

plus if u stealth and underhand you dont break invis, so if it twins at the right angle u have a higher guarantee for a dual stick as where lmb may split too far off, tho its rare

[sullen scarab]

Sounds good, thanks guys!

[vague charm]

Are any of the new keystones worth taking?

[sullen scarab]

Oh man, unyielding? Ok

And weak spot is good on the Columnus I guess, when I shoot people in the head or butt?

[plucky agate]

even my friends are guilty of this,
"guys clear the area first before revi..... and theyre all getting swarmed trying to get me up."

Ogryns are especially guilty of this, i dont blame em

[sullen scarab]

Should I run raking fire and unyielding

😂

[torpid hedge]

he was in front of me as well last second

but I guess las snipers pierce if you're Chaos faction

[plucky agate]

i think he was just blocking rather than full deploying his shield,

[torpid hedge]

part of their data sheet

[plucky agate]

or heretic magikx i dunno

[fading anvil]

Sniper had that Shok attak modifier to his gun

[plucky agate]

got that AP -4 stat

[torpid hedge]

you can still block snipers by just blocking

[vague charm]

Hows this look for a plasma build ?

[plucky agate]

heretic magic it is

[torpid hedge]

which yknow its weird that a shield can block a sniper but a dog can still pounce you

but oh well

[plucky agate]

yep this should work, you could get the revive shout but i usually just go toughness

[mystic belfry]

I block snipers by shooting them in the head tbh