veteran-class

[next spade]

Do shotguns make sense on veteran?

[dark flower]

yes

[dusk idol]

toughness nerfed too

can’t forget this

[celest vine]

Im just not taking a keystone

Its really not needed

[worthy pelican]

so brave

[next spade]

I specced full left side damage tree and feel like a ranged minion

[tall torrent]

I literally hard cope with confirmed kill nerf with middle keystone

[fading anvil]

Like I like my funny infinite grenades build but said build can't use any keystones cause they too expensive to even reach

[idle carbon]

I noticed off the bat that vet gets access to some important toughness regen stuff at the very top, so that's some small mercies

[tawny kraken]

who needs keystones when we have nade

[radiant chasm]

taxing is hard, but i think people are over exaggerating marksman keystone cause they read "stand still" and had a panic attack

[midnight wing]

i use that

[celest vine]

Im loving the high number of elites

[midnight wing]

works well

[humble sparrow]

Stealth auto vet with no keystone still works wonders

[celest vine]

Getting so many bonuses to trigger

[untold mulch]

In exchange they were nerfed af

[dusk idol]

I think right keystone has some toughness regen but it’s expensive too

[idle carbon]

that too lol

[humble sparrow]

Was able to carry several teams

[fading anvil]

I mean I think Marksman would have been recieved better if the stacks werent tied to movement

[dark flower]

people are genuinely just reading descriptions and not actually trying the builds

[hearty panther]

Nothing new there.

[livid relic]

Yes. It would have.

[dark flower]

correct

[tall torrent]

It’s not that hard to maintain 5 ish stacks if you take camouflage

[fading anvil]

Like it's still a decent if underwhelming buff but tying it to movement is just weird imo

[radiant chasm]

you lose one stack a second when you haven't gotten a weakspot kill in 3 seconds or a weakspot hit in 1 second

[tidal garden]

Imagine adding 15 nodes and not consoldiating anything

[livid relic]

Because making the Marksman tree reward you for landing shots consistently instead of standing the fuck still just makes sense

[dark flower]

just aim

[radiant chasm]

and camoflague gives you passive regen of 0.75 a second

[dark flower]

except it does...

[next spade]

does opening salvo work with shotguns or only if the shotgun is full?

[midnight wing]

i wish they would instead of the stand still thing do like a hs streak thing

[prime kestrel]

you can crouch walk w it but its really slow, dodging doesnt take stacks too

[dark flower]

you don't lose stacks as long as you consistently hit things in the weakspot

[ruby fulcrum]

It sorta rewards just mag dumping a ciagmk5 into poxwalkers tbh

[dark flower]

yeah that works too

[white minnow]

yeah that's the nature of on-kill stuff

[fading anvil]

I'm 100% fine with the stacks decaying for NOT hiting headshots but having the stacks decay just by moving is a weird choice. Like they're easy to get back by at that point why not just streamline it and not have the stacks fall off by moving in the first place

[hearty panther]

The buff highlights itself when active. It should work but I assume it will depend on the ammo in the tube. So no loading a special at 0 ammo stuff

[midnight wing]

like it can only bs hs, hs, hs, etc not just x number in a time period

[prime kestrel]

and crouch walk

[dusk idol]

I feel like the tree lost some coherency overall, weirdly enough. I could just be missing having elite and ogryn damage right next to each other

[silent swift]

the biggest problem on marksman keystone is, that it doesn't really help in any significant way to achieve new breakpoints

[ruby fulcrum]

I just wish that keystone rewarded accuracy and precision single shots instead of just spraying

[hoary gate]

What has changed with this build?

[white minnow]

except you're wasting ammo when you're spraying

less ammo in your clip (reload more often) and less ammo overall

[tall torrent]

Haven’t tried fire shotgun this patch

[white minnow]

that's the punishment for spraying and praying

[hoary gate]

I'll start working on that then

[ruby fulcrum]

It doesn't really matter if you never run out. You have an insane amount of ammo with that keystone and any IAG

[dusk jacinth]

are they ever gonna make it so it doesnt take 6 minutes to load into the lobby

[dark flower]

reeks of skill issue

[ruby fulcrum]

And with the ammo aura... how run out

[white minnow]

yeah, the ammo economy of this game needs a hard looking at

[livid relic]

[white minnow]

but the point still stands that you'll have to reload more often

[stone birch]

not really. Finesse only procs on crits and weakspot hits, so you only gain benefit from the shots that crit or hit the weakspot with it. High damage weapons as a result will make better use of the bonuses from the left tree keystone.

[livid relic]

bro

[tall torrent]

I was running this with plasma gun and shovel

[white minnow]

and on weapons with high finesse bonuses, your ammo efficiency will be particularly less

and marksman gives +finesse, so the efficiency will be even less

i'd expect the +finesse to allow you to hit some one/two-shot breakpoints to make it easier as you get more stacks

[hoary gate]

How do you get those images of the full trees?

[idle carbon]

gameslantern website

[atomic zephyr]

what would a build look like if i wanted to use my braced autogun?

[tall torrent]

Gameslantern.com

[serene sage]

Use this link
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[trim steppe]

Legit my only genuine (ok, main) complaint is the bloat. Half the tree is stuck in the bottom columns with no crossover, and getting to a keystone takes 5 more points than other classes. It just feels super annoying especially since they say in the notes they want to encourage mixing and matching. The class plays fine, and they will continue to change and tweak talent values. You can play damnation+ with no talents and grey weapons. But the point tax is annoying and feels bad and unnecessary.

[naive hatch]

I'm a Lasgun Vet main...do not like the changes ;-;

[white minnow]

i really do just encourage you to take the keystone into a game with a gun that reasonably synergizes with it and see how it feels

[worthy pelican]

yeah this is trie, they really could take out nodes

[fading anvil]

YEP. Give us some cross over between the deeper halves of the trees

[dusk jacinth]

marksman focus fucking sucks 😭

[livid relic]

Unironically this. I'd take the way everything works right now at face value if the tree was just more maneuverable

But it's just so much

[ruby fulcrum]

Shotguns/revolver with weapon spec feels real good. I wish weapon spec like... actually did what it says it does but oh well

[dark flower]

"there's so much tree bloat" yeah so make a focused build

[livid relic]

Lmao this guy

[fading anvil]

Vet has like 99 nodes, the other classes have closer to 70 if I recall

[stone birch]

That is fair, the bloat does feel like a bit much. My zealot definitely does not have as much pre req nodes to get good stuff.

[dark flower]

it's not that hard

[dusk jacinth]

you know i also would like to branch out and pick up other skills

[dark flower]

you can do that

[dusk jacinth]

zealot still has the best skilltree ever

shits so nice

[dark flower]

this is true

[dusk jacinth]

why cant every skilltree just be like zealots

sigh

[naive hatch]

It'd be nice if they'd allow us to side-step into other trees from say a operative modifier node to a passive.

Ex: the stamina regen boost over to For The Emperor!

[royal monolith]

nah ogryn has best tree

[balmy flume]

Well if nothing else new cinematic is nice

[devout atlas]

Guess what weapon my Vet is holding lmao

[hearty panther]

lmao i only just noticed the middle node below Focus Target
"Focussed Fire"

[royal monolith]

its like borderline impossible to make bad ogryn

[livid relic]

Like I dunno why we're pretending we can't just glance at other classes' trees and see how fucking good they have it
"just make a focused build" lmao literally nobody else has to do that shit

[hearty panther]

Get that focussy bois

[ruby fulcrum]

I like ogryns and zealots too tbh. Vet just feels bad. I always feel like I'm missing something instead of happy to get juuuust what I want like the other 3 trees

[tulip condor]

What are good blessings for IAG?

[dark flower]

except they do
except ogryn i guess

[devout atlas]

Dumdum always

[ruby fulcrum]

Dumdum and pick 1

[devout atlas]

Yup

[tulip condor]

Gotcha

[dark flower]

do you play other classes at all hobo

[tall torrent]

The new map is also pretty cool

[livid relic]

I do.

[dark flower]

which ones

[livid relic]

Ogryn and Zealot.

[dusk jacinth]

so why is 'the bigger they all' a thing

[royal monolith]

psyker allergy smh

[dusk jacinth]

why doesnt it just fucking highlight elites

[livid relic]

Abhor.

[spark hamlet]

Psyker seems fun, initial impressions is you have a collection of specialised tools rather than gun and stick go brrr

[royal monolith]

negative warp resistance moment

[dark flower]

ok then you must know that ogryns are cracked as fuck and zealot has to build to do specific things but it does those specific things really well

[balmy flume]

So what’s this I heard earlier about Exhilirating Takedown not working?
Looking at the tree now.

[livid relic]

But Zealot can still reach across and get other nodes/talents that supplement their build.

[tulip condor]

Any skill tree for IAG? I can't seem to make a good one of my own yet

[livid relic]

I have all 5 Toughness nodes across Zealot's tree.

[dark flower]

it's still increasing taken toughness damage instead of reducing

[dusk jacinth]

i hope marksman focus just gets changed to not take stacks when you walk

[fading anvil]

Like it doesnt need to by psyker levels of crossover in the talent tree but giving the Vet tree some more crossover could go a long way

[dusk jacinth]

maybe i can understand springting

[untold mulch]

THey forgot a -

I shit you not

[trim steppe]

Would you be satisfied with the Vet tree if it was a single 30-node tall line with no choices, but performed really really well? Extreme example but being railroaded into focused builds is what I dont like, not the performance of the builds available.

[dusk jacinth]

why cant i just fucking walk

[dark flower]

and you can do that with vet too. it's genuinely not that hard to make a good build with or without keystones

[faint blade]

Running T5 with 2 Support Veterans that go full on DMG Buffs is...interesting

[untold mulch]

I hope

[dusk jacinth]

you cannot do that with vet

[balmy flume]

…How!?
What a joke…

[midnight wing]

you can just hit heads

[untold mulch]

Sprinting makes sense

Maybe dodging forcing one stack loss

[dusk jacinth]

i wanna

walk

while i do that

[livid relic]

"Just don't use keystones" is not a solution I was keen on hearing considering this patch literally just added them.

[midnight wing]

read it

you can

lol

[dusk jacinth]

no you cant

[livid relic]

If the solution is "don't use them lol" then I guess the tree update just kind of blows ass.

[balmy flume]

I guess out for blood it is then.

[midnight wing]

yes you can

[dark flower]

i didn't have any keystones and had a whacky build.

[trim steppe]

lol fr

[midnight wing]

read the talent

[dusk jacinth]

'walking rtemoves stacks'

[midnight wing]

every 3 seconds\

[dusk jacinth]

i dont care about your scoreboard numbers

[midnight wing]

read read the whole thing

[dark flower]

don't read the talent
play the game

actually experiment

[silent swift]

the biggest prob atm is

[hexed shell]

Im trying to squeeze out the most damage out of columnus, anyone have a build for comparison?

[dark flower]

it's not that hard to make good builds

[untold mulch]

If you weakspot hit or kill it gives you a few second grace

Imo still feels terrible

[silent swift]

that the most keystones just let ur overdmg sky rocket while you become squishy as fk

[dark flower]

there's valid criticisms in that

[dusk jacinth]

defend the multi million dollar company

[dark flower]

the vet tree does have some really useless nodes thrown in

[silent swift]

just look at this disgusting overkill dmg

[dark flower]

like suppression

[fading anvil]

We're not arguing that it's hard to make a good build, we're arguing that the tree is inflexable as hell and generally bloated

[trim steppe]

I dont know if you're trolling or being dishonest but either way you're not actually addressing any of the complaints

[dusk jacinth]

the vet skill tree has 100 nodes

ogryn has 80

why the fuck do we need an extra 20

[dark flower]

most of the complaints are that "you can't do X" and yet if you actually experiment for five minutes you'll find that you Can

[spark arrow]

what im working with rn. handling aurics well enough

[livid relic]

This. Veteran will likely never truly be bad simply by virtue of his armory.
That doesn't mean he's a flexible class or fun to play.

[royal monolith]

oh wow

its on

[heavy bridge]

I will say, while the new builds are perfectly fine they're also super narrow

[royal monolith]

scoreboard circlejerk

[edgy condor]

How impactful is the middle tagging enemies keystone feeling for everyone? Extra damage is nice but honestly having to remember to stop and take the time to tag everything before shooting it feels like a chore. I’m really close to just giving it up and running no keystones to have more flexibility with the tree.

[royal monolith]

and clown emoji reacting

this is it

[sharp ember]

I found it easy to keep 10 stacks in rooms with shooters and elites, because of the grace period and you only lose 1 stack at a time, and the subnode letting you regen stacks

[rich spruce]

anyone have any melee vet luck? lol

[royal monolith]

the total war

[glacial spruce]

🤡

[balmy flume]

….yea I can see why the reworked tree is seen as worse than before.
But I suppose I can make something from it at least.
I think.

[dark flower]

it's pretty good for plasma breakpoints

[dusk jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-react-thanos-meme-gif-26303208

[royal monolith]

yes i use knife with plasma and it fucks

[untold mulch]

To get taxed

[tulip condor]

If you were to use the left focus, is the 10% rending worth it

[tardy turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-react-fish-react-him-thanos-gif-26859685

[naive hatch]

51 of these nodes are just from the start of the tree to your ability plus their modifiers.

[dusk jacinth]

if we had 80 i might actually be able to get focus target and not give up my ranged nodes

[tall torrent]

With 8 stacks that’s 32% extra dmg for your whole team (your team will love u)

[dusk jacinth]

i dont wanna run fucking marksman!!!!!!

[untold mulch]

Imo, not really

[urban shell]

No because you'd be using the left focus.

[livid relic]

Because Fatshark has PTSD from all the complaining that happened about Veteran after launch, so the players get taxed to infinity

[junior needle]

Tried this setup and didn't get anywhere close to the 16 shots you said you got. Unless that was someone else and not you, in which case don't mind me.

[swift ingot]

Lots of y’all’s complaints are valid, but I’m still going to make a joke of the situation

[tall torrent]

Killing a target with 8 stacks gives your whole team 40% toughness and 40% stamina (your team will love you even more)

[manic badger]

is exhilarating takedown still buggeD?

[livid relic]

yuppers

[dark flower]

sadly yes

[urban shell]

You drop the stacks the second you get engaged in melee

[untold mulch]

[spark arrow]

born leader feels like such a waste

[frank ether]

I'll take ciag marksman for a spin

[rich spruce]

whats the tree look like?

[livid relic]

Le poxwalker epically spawns behind you, "uwu"

[frank ether]

I'll play like an actual moron and shoot at everything

which might actually work

with the amount of free ammo vet gets

[edgy condor]

It’s arguments like this that make me feel it IS worth keeping. I just wish it didn’t feel like such a chore to have to tag everything constantly

[balmy flume]

Right, new tree worked out for a HB2 or HB3
Time for Psykanium and field testing.
Wish me luck.
If I suck too hard Imma sell my soul to other games lol

[dusk jacinth]

i think its impressive how fatshark continues to fuck up good updates

[little pagoda]

wish I could bleach my fucking eyes

[naive hatch]

My only reason to take it is so that I can get Tactical Awareness

[royal monolith]

krak into shout into specialist, also get bleed

[livid relic]

❤️

[fading anvil]

Hunting ground, the hounds spawning is just the dinner bell for the Vet to refill ammo and grenades lmao

[royal monolith]

knife has precog uncanny

[tall torrent]

If you’re someone who tags enemies because you can’t see them clearly, now you have a very valid reason to spam tag every enemy you see

[untold mulch]

They are very talented at that

[spark hamlet]

What’s the benchmark for ‘good’ - playable in auric damnation? Maelstrom?

[royal monolith]

plasma charge speed blessing and brittle on hit

[urban shell]

boy I'd love to enjoy these 15 stacks of focus, unfortunately I need to keep dodging otherwise the billion gunners shreds me

[dark flower]

if you can kill things and survive then it's good 🙂

[little pagoda]

800k+ damage, 0 deaths, no ammo used

[urban shell]

what're the good perks for toughness regen now

[hearty panther]

Solo auric racing wheel only final destination no items

[spark hamlet]

Lol

[hoary gate]

Move your game onto an SSD, it takes me about 10 seconds to load in

[dusk jacinth]

i do not HAVE assd

getting one though

[livid relic]

Maximum overkill damage, obviously

[dusk jacinth]

that is whats causing alot of the issues though

[balmy flume]

Ok HB2 still able to kill shit in Psykanium with current build.
Time to PuG field test, wish me luck.

[dark flower]

you can find some decent cheap ones for $20

[junior needle]

Here's an acceptable benchmark for regular damnation as well

[spark hamlet]

stares in no mods

[dusk jacinth]

i literally put everything on my c:drive

[livid relic]

just go for the most gibs then

[royal monolith]

shiht

[urban shell]

pardon

[little pagoda]

2 many ammo pick up

[livid relic]

didn't collect the most plasteel
cringe tbh

[viscid marlin]

What toughness regen

[royal monolith]

shout*

[spark arrow]

i havent tested but exhilirating takedown is apparently still bugged. so run confirmed kill. if your passing through survivalist you can grab catch a breath. then theres the keystone modifiers that have toughness regen. imo this doesnt matter too too much if you're running shout because you'll be overcapping toughness every ~20 seconds

[spark hamlet]

I get my validation from how many specials and elites I 1-tap without missing with my mk 12 ❤️

[dusk jacinth]

does this look like guardsman color scheme

i cant tell

[junior needle]

We didn't have survivalist I'm pretty sure

[fading anvil]

Just shit yourself on the spot to regain toughness. Totally not a Nurgle thing to do

[urban shell]

shit yourself (regain 2 toughness)

[livid relic]

Listen, friend.

[lofty sigil]

Can you not use shotguns for the 90% accuaracy penance?

[livid relic]

[little pagoda]

what the fuck

[fading anvil]

y e a h

[dapper agate]

I hope this gets buffed, 1 stack of bleed isn't too appetizing.

[sharp ember]

shotguns are good, 1 pellet counts as a hit

[royal monolith]

its actually very good with knife

[south vessel]

it's great for proccing on bleed blessings

[dusk jacinth]

does this look longlas enough

[spark arrow]

dots trigger onslaught though. if you pair the two its better than it seems

[hybrid river]

Besides the watermelon undershirt yes

[dapper agate]

Huh, interesting.

didn't know that

[dusk jacinth]

wtf u mean

[dapper agate]

will try that combo ig

[spark arrow]

onslaught works with frags grenades and infernus as well

[livid relic]

Is that still true? Didn't they say they patched Onslaught because it was applying more Brittleness than intended

[dusk jacinth]

i only see green on the armor

[swift ingot]

Melk shop reset soon, pray that I get Dum Dum 4 for Laspistol 🙏

[surreal mountain]

Seething rn

[hybrid river]

Your undershirt looks watermelon colored

[spark arrow]

i just tested it against a monstrosity in the grinder

[dusk jacinth]

im onl lik 1% colorblind

[spark arrow]

still works

[livid relic]

Aight cool

[dusk jacinth]

i dont see the grteen ur talking about

[dark flower]

onslaught was applying more per hit than intended

[sand hemlock]

youll get ghost 3 and youll like it

[dark flower]

not related to dots

[livid relic]

Mm.

[fading anvil]

The shirt under the armor and shoudlers is like a pinkish

[swift ingot]

I know

[little pagoda]

have u seen inside a watermelon friend

[dusk jacinth]

oh yea dat

i didnt notice that

[dapper agate]

ok, will try it.

[dusk jacinth]

if i didnt notice it dat means i cant see it

[dapper agate]

well bleed skill that is, I already use onslaught a lot

[spark arrow]

i dont think its a bug. it just counts the damage as a stack. helps you cap your damage faster on targets

[dusk jacinth]

its the material from the actual cosmetic

not the color scheme

[spark arrow]

its not giving you extra

[dark flower]

yes this is intended behavior

[hoary gate]

This is what I came up with for the shotgun

[dusk jacinth]

yea wtf thats weird

[dark flower]

note that there is a bug though

[spark arrow]

you can run infernus helbore with onslaught and still get value for instance even though the weapon shoots slow

[dark flower]

when dots are applied to multiple enemies

it fucks up a couple things that require repeated hits and stops contributing to others

[celest vine]

Shredding frag is now the best grenade

[dark flower]

always has been

[glacial spruce]

false, smoke grenade is the best

[dark flower]

always has been

[celest vine]

Krak and frag were neck and neck

[dark flower]

disagree

[spark arrow]

i still prefer kraks honestly but frags save me a point if im pathing through survivalist

[fading anvil]

Krak and frag really depends on what you're running weapon wise. If you got something that'll tear through Crusher armor then no need for Kraks

[dark flower]

frags consistently did better against crusher packs

[spark arrow]

being able to delete a problem repaer/crusher/bulwark when the team is stretched a little thin still feels amazing

[fallen geyser]

why is frag best now? What's changed?

[livid relic]

People would argue they always were.

[analog blaze]

Bleed was buffed awhile back

[dark flower]

and don't have the weird attachment bug that's somehow gotten worse outside of the fix where they'll do no damage

[celest vine]

The krak nerf

[fading anvil]

Yeah that comes down to whether you need the crusher dead NOW or whether you can wait a little bit.

[sand hemlock]

explosion damage to unyielding enemies but krak grenade still really good if you have grenade tinkerer tbh

[livid relic]

Wait Krak got nerfed?

[celest vine]

Against bosses yes

[spark arrow]

honestly i always thought people liked frags because you can carry 1 more and the stun is generally more useful than the damage

[fallen geyser]

oh dear, how much has it been nerfed?

[junior needle]

"""""""value""""""

[livid relic]

lmao fuck

[analog blaze]

Cringe

[brazen bay]

Any decent kantreal lasgun builds with the new patch yet?

[celest vine]

And sheedder is amazing with hoards and keeping vet alive

[sterile phoenix]

This worth keeping for vet and working with it or toss it?

[hybrid river]

Patch notes didn’t say, just said that explosive damage against bosses was reduced

[spark arrow]

i mean you math it out and its better than rending strikes

[fading anvil]

The lawbringer is kinda meh, you want either of the two other shotguns imo

[proper delta]

anyone running slug shotty / what build you usin

[surreal mountain]

We are buffing veteran by putting extra Elite damage and Ogryn damage at the bottom of two seperate trees and making grenades worse
You're welcome

[fallen geyser]

meh, as long as it still one shots ogryns I'm a happy bunny

[junior needle]

I'm was more talking about infernus, which is essentially just boss damage on helbores. Looks like you were talking about onslaught (talent) and not the blessing?

[fallen geyser]

Las pistols not changed have they?

[junior needle]

It's still a waste since you want to kill things in like 1-4 shots max depending on the helbores and surgical is extremely good.

[swift ingot]

Nope

[hybrid river]

And nerfing both the ogryn and elites talents

[spark arrow]

yea was discussing the talent not the blessing

[surreal mountain]

Clearly the Vet was doing too much damage

[fading anvil]

imo, Ogryn and elite talents could probably be combined in the name of condensing the talent tree

[ionic loom]

GUYS

[fading anvil]

Maybe less power but still combined

[ionic loom]

something for boltgun ?

[spark arrow]

did anyone take superiority complex though? i never had enough points on the old tree.

[jaunty herald]

For Patch 15, only this:

Increased the chain time from wield to shoot to prevent macro-abuse on the Accatran MG Mk II Heavy Laspistol

[spark arrow]

so for me its fine because i lose 5% on bring it down but gain 20% with the keystone

[surreal mountain]

You can't use thinking like that or Vet will actually be strong bro, what's wrong with you

[frigid swallow]

I feel like marksman keystone will actually be decent if anyone uses Helbore lasgun

[livid relic]

Veteran is and will continue to be strong so long as he has access to the weapons he has access to.

[frigid swallow]

looooooong boi xD

[tall torrent]

I really do recommend taking all 3 modifiers for the tag keystone for maximum value

[livid relic]

But that doesn't mean his tree is fun to navigate or that his class identity doesn't take hits when they bloat it like this

[celest vine]

I have been trying this for Infantry lasgun vet

[celest vine]

Yeah this is a fucking problem

Toooooooooooooo many options

[fading anvil]

I really hate the grey tax nodes right under each grenade

[swift ingot]

What could I drop from this setup to make room for the left modifier?

[whole moon]

I don't understand? They made it as bad as a bolter to swap/rearm?

[celest vine]

I think I can get away with no superiority complex

[dusk jacinth]

wtf is 2nd guys outfit

i want the pants

[tall torrent]

Demolition team

[jaunty herald]

Yeah the animation time to take out the laspistol and start shooting with it increased.

[swift ingot]

ok

[fading anvil]

The pants come from one bundles out of rotation, it's the cyborg dude with the Brauto gun skin. Cant remember the name

[tall torrent]

Up to 40% toughness & stamina regain from 1 tagged enemy killed is pretty neat

[celest vine]

The middle keystone ability too

Like the upgrade

Not the keystone itself

[broken spade]

I swear they nerfed our base hp

[dusk jacinth]

ok game disconnected and now its a perm black screen

[ionic loom]

Guys anyone figured out a thing for boltgun ?

[swift ingot]

Also will work well with Deadshot

[celest vine]

They got rid of all those grey +5 hp taxes

[dusk jacinth]

how does every update fuck more stuff up

[celest vine]

Thsts why

[serene sage]

I'll post shortly

[tall torrent]

Yep

[celest vine]

Less HP perks

[broken spade]

nah even without them, i had more before

[ionic loom]

Thanks

[trim hemlock]

The upper body is "Tanker Commander's Battlegear (Moebian 110th Armoured)" from 'Jerens "Ace" Borathis' bundle
The lower body is "Leathertanker Togs and Mk IV Ahabian Prosthetic Limb" from 'Sergeant Chan "Flyby" Zorin' bundle

[swift ingot]

Duck and dive was too clunky for my taste anyways

[spark arrow]

been using something like this. dont have enough to reach lower and i dont think im willing to sacrifice 30% weakspot and 5% ranged damage for the temporary steroid tag kill bonuses

[surreal mountain]

Veteran is weak compared to the three other classes in everything that he does. His biggest strength is grenades which have been limited from the most important perk being thrown to the center bottom tree and krak grenades being nerfed against bosses. Ranged damage boosts have been almost entirely relegated to the left tree, especially in the case of bonus elite damage, so you can't run invis and passively have stronger damage against special enemies because there aren't enough points.

TLDR : they somehow made him more survivable with worse damage because lmao

[frigid swallow]

i just realized the Steel legion helmet for latest cosmetic has a fricken tube, unlike the Krieg helmet

[tall torrent]

Which gun do u run this with, IAG?

[fading anvil]

Common Steel Legion W

[trim steppe]

I dont care about performance I just want a tree that looks more like this.

[sterile garnet]

vet weak in everything he does? lmfao

[livid relic]

Don't take this the wrong way, but do you play Malice?

[surreal mountain]

That'd be pretty neat

[jaunty herald]

Big Steel influencing the shark's cosmetics.

[frigid swallow]

I feel like im healing my eyes from just lookin at this lol

[spark arrow]

anything not slow honestly. works fine with iags. infantry lasguns. laspistol. vraks3 etc

[jaunty herald]

[digital lotus]

hello, just want to say thanks for your lazy man build
been using it for a while, and after looking at the keystones, seems like I'll be using it for a longer while

[surreal mountain]

I usually run damnation

[naive hatch]

OMG yes this

That's exactly what I meant earlier

[livid relic]

Okay. I just wasn't sure how you could come to the conclusion that Veteran was weak.

[red stag]

Can veterans use Stubbers yet?

[winter dock]

It was me, I think I got a lucky crit chain. Testing afterwards pinned it closer to 25ish

[livid relic]

Even as I complain that his keystones aren't as impactful as I want them to be, I still acknowledge that the class is very strong.

[fading anvil]

No new weapons this update, sad times

[surreal mountain]

What does he do better than the other classes

[naive hatch]

^dealing with ranged combatants.

[proper delta]

Always Prepared keeps my shotgun reserves flush

[celest vine]

Two games in and ive resupplied 2000 ammo to allies

[red stag]

Argh, my wait for guardsman machine gunner continues.

[jaunty herald]

bruh

[livid relic]

least schizo vet tree

[mellow adder]

In you guy's opinion, do you think that using the new Markmen keystones puts you at a disadvantage? You never stand still while playing Auric and you have to be on the move constantly which takes away your stacks.

[spark arrow]

why aura bonus?

[sterile garnet]

i dont think you're playing darktide

sounds like you are playing some other game

[surreal mountain]

Answer the question

[livid relic]

don't say that too loudly

[junior needle]

I got 43 in that one, not sure how you're getting such a large variance with the same tree.

[untold mulch]

If you aim very good or use stupid ROF guns, you can keep them up

But it feels awful to play imo

[ruby totem]

I feel like these areas were the main issue with vet's talent point tax and they fixed all the wrong places

[spark arrow]

i mean... your doing that anyway. encourage them to stay near you lol

[untold mulch]

The horde may awaken

[twin kettle]

How important is the crit stat on this?

[vital saddle]

me being like why is demo team all the way at the bottom

[untold mulch]

Very, I think

[arctic nova]

Hand Cannon blessing is very strong

[spark arrow]

imho its a wasted point you can get much more value elswhere on the tree

[mellow adder]

I use a revolver for my build and can hit my shots but my stacks or always gone because I have to be on the move

[jaunty herald]

Mobility is the dump stat

[ruby totem]

like if they wanted vet to be so variable then why the fuck did they make it so expensive to be variable lmao

[untold mulch]

Oh for revolver is absolutely trash

Sooo marksman.... Yeahhhh

[tall torrent]

It’s nice so that you can afford to have your team spread out just a little more if area denial specials are causing trouble

[untold mulch]

[junior needle]

The stacks drop off 1 by 1, and there's one sub talent that gives 1 stack per second while standing still or crouching walking. I imagine that one is going to be used exclusively because it actually gives you some practical stack uptime without needing to kill a bunch of things first.

[vital saddle]

cant even do my proper shredder nade build due to these new placements as i neewd to waste one poin to get to grenade tinkerer

[spark arrow]

if they lose a spare bullet here and there i dont think its a big deal. your probably getting more value elswhere on the tree

[lean light]

Can a good veteran help me pick a gun

[tall torrent]

It’s more of whether they get to gain the toughness & stamina boost from my talents or not

[lean light]

Which should I be running

[tall torrent]

And that’s a way bigger deal than regaining 1-2 bullets

[ruby totem]

LIKE WHY NOT THIS?!

WHY

[trim hemlock]

I played this today, albeit with Exec Stance and Fire Team and it performs well enough. I sometimes do feel the lack of Duck and Cover, though

[ruby totem]

THEY WERE SO CLOSE

[serene sage]

FS hates vet

[vital saddle]

REEEEE

[tall torrent]

Exhilarating takedown is still bugged

[fading anvil]

Having the tax nodes under every single Blitz, aura, and ability stings

[sly haven]

they removed ogryn/monstyer damage talent?

[trim hemlock]

That doesn't really make it a feat you wouldn't want to pick to keep your toughness topped up

[serene sage]

I know. unfortunately it's still something to get toughness regen

you can go confirmed kill middle but long shot is too good

[sly haven]

where is the ogyrn/monster dmg talent?

[serene sage]

near the bottom of middle

in red

[ruby totem]

also doesn't this basically make any shortenings of the tree irrelevant because it got longer here???

[vital saddle]

competes with competative urge now

kek

[faint forge]

So I heard Krak grenades are bugged versus Monstrosities? Does 0 damage supposedly

[fading anvil]

Only on the Beast of Nurgle I think

[deep igloo]

IS THE bayonet on the kreig rifle consider melee attack and affected by melee buff nodes and perks?

[untold mulch]

Fatshsrk aint smart

[sly haven]

competitive urge?

[fading anvil]

Haven't ran into a Beast since the patch but I know my kraks worked on a Chaos spawn

[ruby totem]

i'm malding

[zealous wyvern]

yes it is melee

[urban shell]

Is it? Does it actually kick in at a reasonable distance or does it do the thing where it's at least 10% more damage

[serene sage]

it's longer if you go directly down (say left to frag)
the same if you go middle to either side
shorter if you go completely right or left to opposite

SO yeah it's the fking same lmao

[ivory marsh]

peak fatshark design

[deep igloo]

ok bayonet melee build it is

[untold mulch]

Soo

When second rework

Or does the monkey paw have more fingers?

[sly haven]

oh so now mid tree vet is straight up just better than right tree

[ruby totem]

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-gif-24168350

me rn

[vital saddle]

left node

[zealous wyvern]

the only thing that does not work is the weapon specialist as you are not swapping to your melee weapon. you just use the thing on your gun. so that is a waste

[sly haven]

thanks fat shark for nerfing right tree into oblivion

[untold mulch]

isnt right tree the best???

[lavish hamlet]

is no respite good for headhunter autoguns?

[spark arrow]

if i was running infil with right tree id probably do something like this

[ivory marsh]

keystones so useless that I just get those "old" ultis

[untold mulch]

Melee vet is silly

[ivory marsh]

ur just a vetealot with plasma and power sword

[vital saddle]

they single handedly managed to fuck basically every single build xD

[ivory marsh]

hey now u can cosplay a poxwalker if u go to the very left lmao

[zealous wyvern]

i wish they made weapon specialist start on your first melee instead of swapping to it and enabled it for weapon melee specials

that way bayonet would get the boost too

[sly haven]

they nerfed VoC to 50 toughness, close quarter killzone nerfed by half

wew lads

[zealous wyvern]

why do they go out of their way like this to disable boosts to weapon specials

why do we have them

[livid relic]

No fun allowed.

[untold mulch]

Overall

Part 2 may be good, because I am uninstalling otherwise

[sterile garnet]

lmfaooo

[ivory marsh]

they added 10% dmg the the sprinting talent on the very first right node but it's like who the fuck can keep up 5 stacks of running while fighting a horde

[zealous wyvern]

oh its not that bad

you cannot go corsnake

that is not fair

[sly haven]

ogryn/monster dmg lowered deeper in mid tree, HORRIBLE CHANGE

[obsidian gust]

Nuked Vet

[vital saddle]

voice needed the nerf but i dont get these tax nodes being litterally everywhere when u look at every other class and there is barely any tax nodes really

[ivory marsh]

5% grenades is in the middle now cause? cause? Fatshark

[bright charm]

Just going from start to allocating a keystone, straight down with no deviation: Vet has 9 points left over, Zealot has 12, Ogryn has 12, Psyker has 14.

[untold mulch]

Nah, I was having less fun since Recon nerf

And now another overall? Ehh, the patch may be good

[urban shell]

god damn, is there literally any reason to use the left tree at all

[ivory marsh]

voice of command is now balanced 50 toughness vs 100 is a lot but the most important thing is low cooldown and stagger also u replenish ur toughness full

[zealous wyvern]

shame

[livid relic]

It was also nerfed :)

[trim hemlock]

There is good stuff in there

[urban shell]

the keystone certainly aint

[zealous wyvern]

i hope the part 2 does some cool things

[ivory marsh]

u can just compare it to any other class vet needs to waste to many points cause it is aslong as a tax documentation I do yearly

[sly haven]

less health and toughness nodes over all so TITANIC nerf for vet in the guise of 'finishing touches'

[untold mulch]

Remember me 🫡

Nah, but I may staay innthe server, but the game is gonna get uninstalled for a while if isnt good

[zealous wyvern]

well nothing wrong with taking a break from games

especially while there are no new missions

[vital saddle]

aye and if ur wanting to be a support vet ur kinda fucked tbh specially if u want to use shredder nades

[untold mulch]

Yep

[tall torrent]

I think the tag keystone is fine given it takes a whopping 21 points to even reach it, not to mention it somewhat needs all 3 modifiers to be the best it can be

[trim hemlock]

That I wouldn't say is easy to evaluate 1 day post patch, but I indeed mainly meant the nodes besides the keystone

[vital saddle]

as shredder nades without grenade tinkerer kinda sucks balls

[frank ether]

if thats your condition better start drg install from now

[hearty panther]

The damage one is kinda no brainer good but still comes at the consideration of putting that point elsewhere

[tall torrent]

I think that one works really well with deadshot / plasma gun builds

[balmy flume]

Well the gun worked
The tree functions
But died in the new map.

[untold mulch]

I have Rogue Trader by then, which is gonna be

But I may actually try DRG for real one day

[sly haven]

ok yep

[agile finch]

does this make ranged kills give toughness

[sly haven]

they completely ultra fucked vet

[tall torrent]

DRG is peak

[livid relic]

Yes

[vital saddle]

Me being like why is twinned nade here over grenade tinkerer

[agile finch]

is grenade tinkerer good for kraks

[silver monolith]

P.S.A. From an Ogryn Main:

1. Please stick with the group.
2. Do that yelling thing that gives us the good toughness.
3. Health curios, or something, just please stop dying every time I look away.

Thanks squishy lil 'uns

[agile finch]

:o

[untold mulch]

I heard it, snd played a bit on my cousin xbox, but never played more than a bit

[urban shell]

It's bizarre that the keystone decays stacks with as much movement as there is, and goodbye to the max stack you have if you need to do any dodging or sprinting for melee.

[tall torrent]

It’s just a real shame that DRG doesn’t have crossplay like darktide

[vital saddle]

typically not needed for kraks in the past when u could get the 20% dmg to ogryn and monsters but even still not really needed

[last ore]

I love the combat knife and revolver combo so much

go full london on the horde, dive out, blast some fool then dive back in.

[livid relic]

That's my thing. I just imagine trying to fight a Monstrosity with that keystone and it's like, just fuck it, you're only going to be an active detriment to your team

[tall torrent]

It’s joever
Frags are the way now

[untold mulch]

Krak reign is over

[livid relic]

That's so colossally fucked lmao

[devout hornet]

Okay so do I just need to work around my build more with this latest update or do the changes to the veteran tree actually suck. I had a stupid amount of time on veteran after update 13 so the change isn’t very awesome imo

[untold mulch]

Cant have shit in Tertium

[urban shell]

It doesn't help that the hitreg is so colossally fucked if you don't have the server next to you.

[tall torrent]

20 point cost to reach weapon specialist be like:

[vital saddle]

Just seems to me support vet is just likely better off not going for focus target sadly with frags

[thin kernel]

Yo gamers

[minor brook]

whats weapon finesse

[thin kernel]

I could use some help

[minor brook]

crit?

[urban shell]

I can't be the only one that keeps hearing the headshot noise, see the blood fx and not get any hitmarker.

[tall torrent]

Crit & weakpoint dmg
On melee weapons it could affect attack speed

[thin kernel]

I need a build for plasma gun with the new tree

If anyone's got one

[tall torrent]

Plasma + shovel

[thin kernel]

Ty frend

[urban shell]

I really don't want to become another plasma gun main.

[obsidian gust]

My build is oddly still working the same way just 10% less out of the 70%

[urban shell]

It's so obnoxious to play with if you're not that guy.

[upper dock]

So is the marking keystone in the middle the only one that isn't complete dogshit?

[tall torrent]

32% dmg for your whole team is pretty huge
It’s just a big point investment

[minor brook]

honestly i think im digging left tree helbore’s damage on paper

[silent swift]

more or less a silent nerf to the most mendatory stuff

[tall torrent]

I think it’s balanced by how heavy the point cost is

[minor brook]

it helps me reach breakpoints better on hs

[thin kernel]

I just like variety

[tall torrent]

You need 24 points to make it as good as it can be for the most part (at the minimum, 22)

[vital saddle]

20% is likely enough tho lets be real so u can save 1 point

[minor brook]

i think im gonna make a shotty build

[tall torrent]

32% hits better breakpoints in my experience but I think that depends on your weapon

[minor brook]

how good is right tree shotty

[swift ingot]

Focus Target is heaven for Laspistol

[tall torrent]

And I take the 8 stacks for better toughness/stamina regain + dmg buff

[bold bridge]

How do you get to 32?

[tall torrent]

Take 8 stacks
8 stacks of 4% is 32%

[ruby totem]

I can't believe exhilarating takedown is still fucking making you take more damage

[spark arrow]

your waiting 16 seconds between tags to get that. its not happening in HISTG

[thin kernel]

What blessings do I want for shovel?

[vital saddle]

well either or i'd personally drop redirect fire on my build with plas

[bold bridge]

Oh. Plus the 5% bonus from vet aura.

[crisp orchid]

i have been trying left tree with helbore for the majority of the day and it seems like i'm doing a lot less damage than i was prepatch

[bold bridge]

Does shift fire stack too?

[tall torrent]

You get up to 8 stacks of toughness & stamina regain and dmg

[bold bridge]

For an extra 12?

[livid relic]

If you take that buff :|

[spark berry]

there are not enough points to make builds

[untold mulch]

Get taxed to oblivion

[tall torrent]

Redirect fire stacks up to 12% if u take the 8 stacks upgrade

[bold bridge]

Stacking flat damage bonuses might be decent overall.

But does redirect fire stack with tag?

[thin kernel]

Is Defences important for shovels?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[atomic zephyr]

weapon specialist with the brauto is funny as hell

[bold bridge]

. . . Huh.

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike
Decimator

[thin kernel]

Maro

[spark arrow]

your waiting 2 seconds for a stack at 8 stacks thats 16 seconds to get full value. you will almost never have 8 stacks available in auric damns because of the amount of prio targets youll be constantly tagging

[jade wraith]

anyone else seeing shock trooper no longer proc'ing for both recon lasguns?

[atomic zephyr]

fire frenzy + deathspitter + rof boost + onslaught = everything-shredder

[tall torrent]

But you will constantly have full 8 stacks of dmg buff

[forest maple]

So vets, how are we feeling about the changes so far?

[proper delta]

do i want hand cannon on the stub?

[bold bridge]

That's true. It would be hard to get the full 8.

[spark arrow]

?

[atomic zephyr]

solid meh/10

[bold bridge]

I feel like the 8 stack is more for redirect fire because of how it refreshes.

[wanton dawn]

meh/10 feels right

[tall torrent]

Tag one enemy with 5 stacks, kill it, get 5 stacks of redirect fire
Tag another with 3 stacks, kill it, you now have 8 stacks of redirect fire
Any future tagged kills refresh that

And it’s full team dmg buff

[bold bridge]

Easy to keep up a 12% bonus

[drifting oak]

For monstrosities and the like you can totally find the time for 8 stacks

[wanton dawn]

Vet still has way, way too many freaking tax node

[atomic zephyr]

^^^^^^^^^

[bold bridge]

This is true.

[untold mulch]

Its bloated af

[spark arrow]

ohhhh your talking about redirect fire

[atomic zephyr]

that's the issue.

[sly haven]

so ledt me get this straight

[atomic zephyr]

the keystones are workable, its just way too hard to get there

[serene sage]

Born Leader: allows me to introduce myself

[vital saddle]

25% supression node says hello

[sly haven]

psyker gets to dommy ommy/daddy a whole horde and any special elite for eternity

ogryn gets to be ultra chunky with high damage weapons

[spark arrow]

lol i see that and raise you born leader

[sly haven]

zealot gets to curb stomp ANYTHING with melee

[little roost]

excuse it is 50% suppression now

[sly haven]

but vet gets nerfed to the fucking ground on the single target speciality, which is monsters

[untold mulch]

Guard experience

[sly haven]

and not only that

[tall torrent]

This keystone update really immerses you into the true imperial guard experience where you constantly get overwhelmed by enemies

[untold mulch]

Get fucked every side possible

[sly haven]

but our health gets nerfed

[jaunty herald]

May someone offer an infantry autogun build to give me an idea of using this new vet schizo tree?

[livid relic]

It feels really cool getting nerfed while every other class got the glowup of the century in the talent rework

[sly haven]

and just about all our shiny doodads get nerfed too

[forest maple]

Also, why are our keystone abilities so freaking convoluted?

[untold mulch]

The schizo tree is just a mirror of the fractured mind of the average Veteran

[sly haven]

fatshark really hates vets

[simple jetty]

Just give me a medic tree so I can run that at this point. I barely play Vet because I have to put in twice as much work for half the efficacy of the other three.

[vital saddle]

born leader atleast does something useful with ur kill confirm and all other means of toughness recovery

[untold mulch]

Dont you want to handicap yourself to get buffs?

[forest maple]

I mean shit

[spark arrow]

useful is a stretch

[fathom edge]

should i get dumdum then upgrade the 379? are mk1s even worth the effort?

[deep igloo]

OUTSIDE the swapping is there nodes i can make use of

[forest maple]

That middle tagging thing could be simply 10% more damage to anyone you specially tag

[heavy bridge]

The spotting Vet gives everyone in coherency +40% Toughness when they kill a tagged enemy.
That's probably as close as you'll get to a medic

[simple jetty]

Connective tissue between the tree branches would help a lot now I think of it.

[forest maple]

thats 5 for each stack

[deep igloo]

they changed dumdum? didn't see that in the notes

[forest maple]

so realistically not 40/

[vital saddle]

useful for allies anyway rather they just make voice of command lead right into bornleader and branch from there to other nodes or just put something there not shit that leads to the left and right and middle

[jaunty herald]

DumDum is good and personally I enjoy the Agri Mk1

[heavy bridge]

you get stack refunds when a tagged enemy dies

[deep igloo]

wasn't dumdum close range kills only?

[sly haven]

columnus mk5 auto is best tho

[forest maple]

thats deathspitter/fire frenzy

[zealous wyvern]

i am no expert you will need to see

[heavy bridge]

Columnus is goated

[vital saddle]

collumnus go brrr

[jaunty herald]

https://i.imgur.com/BYujUtq.png

DumDum got changed. Previous definition^

[forest maple]

HUH?

[hard echo]

Hello fellow hammers of the Emperor, are the new key stones any good haven't had a chance to play the update yet

[deep igloo]

thought so

[fathom edge]

i just have this one but it does feel pretty ok

[sly haven]

i'm almost tempted to not use keystone at all

[zealous wyvern]

dumdum has been stacking hit dmg close range for weeks now

[obsidian gust]

they are decent just alittle more work

[deep igloo]

holy shit that makes dumdum the new goat of autoguns

[jaunty herald]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapon-blessing-traits?weapon=f1000510-57d9-4204-a256-ad62de4db033

[sly haven]

until we get level boost to 35

[zealous wyvern]

dumdum has been like this

[vital saddle]

🙂

[heavy bridge]

spotting is solid, weapon specialist is fun, Marksman is fine balance-wise but feels bad to use

[dapper agate]

Probably can make more interesting builds like that tbh, espeically since 2 keystones are pretty mid.

[jaunty herald]

The Close Range kill requirement is removed

[sly haven]

but even if we got an extras 5 talent points from level 35, the othjer 3 classes would outpace vets even more hard core

[zealous wyvern]

columnus plays fluid but i prefer the noise of the agri i think

[zealous wyvern]

what requirement?

[edgy condor]

Does the Charismatic talent node "+50% aura radius" ONLY increase the radius of your aura, or is that also considered to be the radius at which your coherency buffs apply? In other words, would that talent also be extending the range at which you can give allies toughness via other talents that give toughness to allies in coherency?

[zealous wyvern]

i do not remember it having that since quite some time

are you not thinking of another blessing?

[obsidian gust]

I like to scream louder than my gun

[forest maple]

Pretty sure it applies to buffs and shout etc

[tall torrent]

• coherency radius I believe

[vital saddle]

dumdum has been like that for ages now

[zealous wyvern]

i do not scream while shooting unless it is call signs

[zealous wyvern]

yup

[zealous wyvern]

therea re however 2 OTHER Blessings

that do do something on close kill

[stray storm]

Praise the Mommy Tech priest I guess

[forest maple]

So, did any blessings change at all?

[vital saddle]

typically frenzy

[zealous wyvern]

yeah yeah that

frenzy

firing frenzy

[jaunty herald]

[edgy condor]

how would you even test it though? No way to do so alone in the psykanium

[zealous wyvern]

i never use these blessings or weapons

[old carbon]

is this a good sword? just consecrated it and have no idea what blessings are good and all that

[vital saddle]

looks like im using only 3 shredder nades instead of 4 sadge

[fathom edge]

this melk one is pretty good right? low manic roll but otherwise

[frank ether]

%25 at iron will path

[warm surge]

should be coherency but note that coherency can also be a linked chain so anyone with coherency aura talent can potentially greatly extend everyones coherency

[copper jackal]

So, I'm assuming they force you to pick and choose certain skills with Vet, especially if you go the furthest right tree? Since you don't get enough skill points to max it out.

[deep igloo]

do like shooting for 10% randing for all in middle tree

[stray storm]

Other than Flak or Carapace, what other perk would you put on a plasma?

[solar sky]

God damn I hate this new talent tree. Wtf were they thinking

[bright charm]

mine have not found a build this patch that compliments it well, for auric damnation.

[solar sky]

maniac or unyielding

[edgy condor]

for a mk 6 power sword, ideally you want brutal momentum and power cycler. so you already have one of those at tier 4 which is great. I'd say replace rampage with power cycler when possible, and replace block efficiency with damage to maniacs

[untold mulch]

They werent thinking lmao

[stray storm]

The middle keystone actually isn’t that bad

[copper jackal]

Not a fan either.

[forest maple]

Do you guys skip keystones to go middle right to get the stacking brittleness talent for full auto guns?

[copper jackal]

The whole schtick behind Vet was supposed to be flexibility

[solar sky]

It's the only one that isn;'t just straight garbage

why would i EVER take the right side keystone?

more melee attack speed?

[sly haven]

where are the new cosmetics

[solar sky]

what the actual fuck

[trim hemlock]

I typically have something else (PS 6) to go alongside a bullet hose, so Brittleness is redundant mostly

[edgy condor]

At this rate, we need to pressure fatshark into reworking the veteran tree AGAIN for traitor curse part 2. Cause this shit aint it, chief

[stray storm]

The right one is actually pairs well with Revolver

[vital saddle]

Mid tree is like the only good one but u want to put all 3 points in it but if u use shredders u likely cant if u want to have extra nade or 20% chance to throw 2

[trim hemlock]

Come back on Thursday

[fathom edge]

interesting roll

[jaunty herald]

noice

[solar sky]

How? With surgical and deadshot you're already getting 100% crit

[zealous wyvern]

you have one emperor blessed shot

[fathom edge]

i wanna see an all 80s with one 0

[solar sky]

it's redundant

[zealous wyvern]

make it count

[forest maple]

Btw, new carnival mission is insane? I see people with red/yellow ammo all the time

so many gunners/shooters elites and specials

[stray storm]

Some times it throws a SHIT ton of enemies

[trim hemlock]

I haven't noticed anything out of ordinary there, but then I only ran it once

[stray storm]

Even on lower difficulties

[edgy condor]

yep, and I was running survivalist with my plasma. Still managed to fully run out of ammo a few times

[forest maple]

for real, wtf

[tall torrent]

It’s very strong when you can just swap to revolver and hipfire crit and go back to melee

[fathom edge]

2 in one shop, hardly ever see stats this low

[gaunt delta]

RIP earning "Going Out With A Bang" Psyker Penance with the Plasgun...

[tall torrent]

Yea I see like 15 different gunners spawn in the first arena

[stray storm]

I’m glad I earned it

[tall torrent]

In 15 different directions

[stray storm]

I did. on complete accident

[gaunt delta]

Can't have any fun in Tertium

[stray storm]

Bring shout to the new mission otherwise it’s say goodbye to your health

[forest maple]

also i can't explain it but i felt that shooters were way more deadly? Or maybe it was the fact that i felt squishier

[sly haven]

so with a curio give me 20% hp, and 1 node giving 5% hp, i'm sitting at 188 hp on 3 wound vet

[cinder adder]

Ah I see I'm not the only one kinda displeased with the Vet skill tree. It's like Survivalist is too important a perk to pass up, so I'm forced to forgoe keystones

[sly haven]

my build lost 20 hp in this talent tree change

fartshart

[hallow moat]

Nah gunners the worst enemy in the game

[terse idol]

I mean frankly, you don't

But the issue is it's tooooo tight

[forest maple]

No but, taking the suppression talent and the born leader one is yucky

[dull osprey]

I think im in the minority when i say i like the new vet tree, forces you to make decisions on what to get instead of getting everything good

[balmy terrace]

Gunner and shooter swarms have been the main cause of wipes for any team I've been in since beta. People really do underestimate them

[vital saddle]

I assume right is better than left

[quartz raven]

Consensus seems to be to forego keystones altogether

[forest maple]

left picture got more detail

[arctic nova]

I like the specialist keystone

[terse idol]

These aura's are still just terrible

[arctic nova]

it feels very nice

[solar bone]

Its weird tbh

[cinder adder]

The right tree is great for snappy revolver gameplay but trying to play revolver without Survivalist is terrible

[terse idol]

I mean

[solar bone]

They didnt crunch enough talets

[terse idol]

Hmm

[hallow moat]

@balmy terrace they can beam you cross map and once they lock better hope u got some cover💀

[solar bone]

the trees feel the same almost

[vital saddle]

kek more refering to what they do xD

[solar bone]

you can just play now

[hallow moat]

Or go invis

[terse idol]

You can still do it, but you then need to not waste your shots on anything that isn't an elite

[solar bone]

without keystones

[dusk idol]

the new tree feels a bit weaker to me, not to say it's weak

[solar bone]

meh

[tall torrent]

Change born leader to “gain 15% of all toughness gained by teammates in coherency”

[dusk idol]

can still play and survive just fine

[vital saddle]

5 extra stacks or stacks every sec

[dusk idol]

just need to be more turned on

[terse idol]

I didn't run survivalist pre-patch on my infil Vet and I still had good ammo

[dusk idol]

spend a couple more bullets, etc.

[terse idol]

I just couldn't waaste any bullets

[solar bone]

What kind of range weapons do you like on infil vet?

[cinder adder]

Yeah on Auric Damnation Maelstrom Scab only... EVERYTHING is an elite or specialist

[terse idol]

Claw Sword + Revolver

[cinder adder]

I'd run out of ammo after two waves lol

[zealous wyvern]

i think the reason people are SO bothered by the new skill tree is not that it is much worse than before.
it is due to the hope they placed in this patch fixing the things wrong with the old one that has now been crushed by an even more frustrating tree

[balmy terrace]

I like that there are legimate choices in the tree, but it is severely bloated with a lot of not very useful options. That, and the fact that most of the actually useful stuff has nothing to do with keystones and eats up a ton of points

[astral blade]

well i somehow managed to make my vet build work with the keystone....somehow

[cinder adder]

(hyperbole) but still

[pure urchin]

so uhm...

[balmy terrace]

This is pretty much where I'm at with it

[quartz raven]

best choice now is to stop bugging FS before they make it worse (again)

[pure urchin]

80+80+80+60+80=379

[tall torrent]

Buy

[pure urchin]

game math 😄

[terse idol]

Yeah this is pretty apt

[pure urchin]

kekw

[terse idol]

The reshuffle hurts

[vital saddle]

cant wait till u get shafted perk wise

[zealous wyvern]

goodnight soldiers do not lose faith

its all we have

[untold mulch]

Gn

[solar bone]

Yea it do feel kind of weird for sure. IDR the 25% damage with kill on other weapon being above the sprint aura? maybe it was

[waxen lark]

I've already decided to just play psyker for now

[pure urchin]

yea lmao, I certainly will. The rating 379 is just funny tho

[terse idol]

We kinda need to get a closer talent make-up to other classes, because as it stands, I went straight middle build, and after taking the keystones I have 2 extra left

[untold mulch]

I want to see the % of Vet players by end of the week

[vital saddle]

anyone actually played around with twinned blast ye or nah choice

[tall torrent]

Not worth

[astral blade]

i managed to make this work

dont ask me how

[vital saddle]

sadge

[dusk idol]

gimmick

[waxen lark]

I always seen loads of psykers and zealots but I was lucky to see one vet every other game

[sly haven]

i'll take the old talent tree back now

[waxen lark]

Now I bet it'll be one every 6 games LOL

[cinder adder]

It's a very fun perk, and was worth before

[untold mulch]

Vets are dying

[solar bone]

Its just weird because it feels like I need weapons I didnt have before or that maybe arent quite in the game to make the tree work

[terse idol]

Also voice of command nerf

Sadge

🥹

[waxen lark]

So sad

[tall torrent]

Lore accurate

[vital saddle]

voice nerf is fine tho

[cinder adder]

what did they nerf?

[dusk idol]

voice of command nerf was coming though

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

[solar bone]

Seems like the only build that works is

[sly haven]

uh no

[solar bone]

IMA LASGUNMAIN

[terse idol]

It's +50 toughness now instead of 100+

Yesss it's kinda needed but

Damn it burns

[solar bone]

PEW PEW

[untold mulch]

Do you think Vet get medical leave?

[dusk idol]

no

[untold mulch]

Damn

[naive hatch]

w> Lasgun main

[vital saddle]

peeps still taking extra krak nade or not bothering due to it taking 2 points to get there

[untold mulch]

BASED

[quartz raven]

they could have just reduced it to +75 and capped stacking buffs at +100

[dusk idol]

what they needed to do was implement the nerf that they have while also buffing the other two abilities

[astral blade]

yeah soooo somehow this vet build works

dont ask me how

[minor brook]

whats the max stam for a stam trinket

3?

[vital saddle]

i personally went tinkerer and redirect fire instead of the extra krak nade

[dusk idol]

yes

3

[astral blade]

yeah 3

[cinder adder]

Well VoC was super fucking good before. Honestly I don't know why some people weren't using Only in Death Does Duty End with it before. Single most clutch thing I've seen in game

[dusk idol]

because longer cd and niche use

[cinder adder]

So now, with the two extra perks, it is worse but still quite good

[cinder adder]

niche???

[dusk idol]

you could pull the same thing off with just normal voice and a curio with one revive assist perk

[cinder adder]

Idk how its niche lol

[vital saddle]

kinda stupid risky running it now tho due to the amount of points wasted u cant take leave no one behind now

[thin kernel]

Plasma build is nice ty for sharing

[waxen lark]

People kneecapping themselves just holding the ability forever and never using it

[cinder adder]

Do yall not know about Tactical Awareness?

[dusk idol]

its niche is that it's great at picking up groups of downed friendlies or friendlies under heavy shooter/gunner fire

[naive hatch]

Right? Like if there's a situation where your Ult would be useful, USE IT.

[dusk idol]

otherwise

[still flare]

Yeah, people having to be dead is pretty niche lol

[dusk idol]

you had grenades and your ult stagger that would keep things off of you

therefore

niche

[vital saddle]

issue with that is to pull of one of those revives typically requires a nade and the curious 😉

[tall torrent]

Glad u like it

[cinder adder]

exactly

[shrewd dirge]

odd question - any place i can find builds for patch 14 right now, or will it take a while?

[vital saddle]

so u can save urself points in ur skill tree but just taking the 1 in voice of command

[waxen lark]

Just ult near the teammate to push everything off them and revive them normally, saved yourself a skill point

[shrewd dirge]

or is this patch 15? can't remember

[still flare]

Some people love it, and I'm sure it saves runs. But by the numbers if you want clutch res I would recommend stealth

[cinder adder]

Oh there were 4 Crushers that you had to deal with quick and only had 2 krak nades?

[junior needle]

You were able to keep people from dying to begin with extremely well with the other option. Also increased cooldown.

[dusk idol]

didn't know there were vets that didn't run some kind of grenade regen

too good not to take on any build

[sly haven]

wow they took away bottom right tree bleed too

[naive hatch]

Having a grenade a minute is nice.

[sly haven]

fuck fartshart

[vital saddle]

u aint gunna throw a krak at people feet tho are u

[cinder adder]

dawg I feel like I always have it because of Tactical Awareness

[dusk idol]

it's at the top

[vital saddle]

is more what im refering to

[dusk idol]

why not?

[sly haven]

i'm aware

shit change

[dusk idol]

if you need it, it staggers

[spark arrow]

dude whenever the whole team is down and someone else is having a hero moment ive started having fun with them. ill start typing things like "you are the hammer"

[cinder adder]

Small aoe is small

[tall torrent]

Serrated blade and agile engagement are top of 5% move speed aura now

[waxen lark]

A single stack of bleed on melee attacks was absolute 💩

[arctic nova]

Spamming 30s VoC is so good

[spark arrow]

"the mail upon his fist"

"the tip of his spear"

[sly haven]

free damage, doesn't matter

[dusk idol]

it is small, but it still staggers any melee on your revive target

[cinder adder]

exactly my dude

[spark arrow]

"the edge of his sword"

[astral blade]

question does iron will feel like its being nerfed?

[waxen lark]

It costs a point, it ain't free 💀

[frank ether]

it stacked onslaught

[vocal terrace]

perk point opportunity cost

[sly haven]

it was free before because it was bleed or brittle, and brittle is trash

[balmy flume]

…I have a feeling this patch I am gonna be sticking with Autoguns…

[half path]

i think us being unable to branch over to the other trees just after the halfway point of a tree was a huge mistake tbh

[vital saddle]

I'd personally take the saved 2 points on that side for grenade tinkerer or coverfire and redirect fire personally

[balmy flume]

Or Boltguns

[spark arrow]

brittle is what!?

[vocal terrace]

how is gunvet feeling after the new capstone?

[zealous wyvern]

sleep

[junior grail]

Is it just me or is there more nodes on Vet tree now compared to everyone else?

[waxen lark]

Brittle is good, you're nuts @.@

[tall torrent]

It wasn’t for the bleed itself
The bleed ticks stacked onslaught which allowed melee weapons to deal much higher dmg to armor

[dusk idol]

what? grenade regen has always been right above voc

[half path]

although i dont really have an issue with the tree per say did prefer the old one a little bit though but things are kind of the same

[hybrid river]

There are, costs 21 points to reach a keystone on vet compared to 17 on other classes

[vital saddle]

thats called demo stockpile not grenade tinkerer

[dusk idol]

yes, i know, how are you saving 2 points by not taking demo stockpile?

if you're going voc revive?

[waxen lark]

Is that intentional, because I feel like it isn't

[fathom edge]

should i roll to flak? since im going all in on headshots, how many flak headshots am i going to get, that wouldnt already be one shots?

[junior grail]

That's dumb, Fatshark did a dumb... again

[tall torrent]

Knowing fatshark….
Honestly idk

[frank ether]

yes

[vital saddle]

no ur saving points by not going here

[cinder adder]

Lol no wonder I couldn't get all 4 keystone nodes going straight down the right tree

[pure urchin]

not great, not terrible

[dusk idol]

i never talked about extra grenades?

[vital saddle]

ur spending 1 wasted point to get to revive speed is what im saying

[dusk idol]

just grenade regen?

[vital saddle]

the revive speed is there my guy

on the right side

[vocal terrace]

really pidgeonholes a vet build, feels bad

[dusk idol]

i said revive speed curio

[tall torrent]

Swap shattering impact for blaze away

[dusk idol]

you don't need leave no one behind even if it's nice to have

[pure urchin]

yea, thanks. I don't have it yet but soon 😄

[sly haven]

didn't trench fighter drill used to be 25% melee speed?

[dapper agate]

Give vet 5 more skill points, problem solved

[brisk sedge]

no

[weak fiber]

Is it even worth reaching for a keystone on vet? Holy hell is it expensive to reach one

[vital saddle]

was more just saying for peeps that dont have revive speed cvurios

it has value

[vocal terrace]

other classes would feel weaker then or would complain, adjusting the tree would help since it was the break which caused this predicament

[sterile garnet]

it depends on the build ofc

[cinder adder]

I'm just saying dude, the amount of times I've revived someone with Only in Death when I otherwise would not be able to get them is a freaking lot. Plus all the times I've revived 2 people

[sly haven]

you get 25% for 10 sec

[slow spade]

the only way I can get my old breakpoints is if I use Fire Team

Fatshark pls

I want to not throw

[dapper agate]

fireteam is doo doo

[slow spade]

I know :c

[arctic nova]

Guess it depends on if your team is going down a lot

[sly haven]

not using confirmed kill, YOU'RE NUTS

[arctic nova]

but I usually like the shorter cd one

[vocal terrace]

Some are worth more than others, but they reallly pidgeon hole you. The spam spotting one is really annoying to run and doesn't feel good

[slow spade]

confident I won't eat shit

[dusk idol]

well, i don't doubt your experiences. but in using VoC, i've had much more successful runs giving my team toughness as opposed to picking them up when they're down

[waxen lark]

A build without scavenger makes me recoil in disgust

[arctic nova]

yeah

[fathom edge]

man id love something that passively gives recoil/sway reduction