veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

i really like the top of the tree not taxing me for which route i take
https://i.gyazo.com/b421f1011e6f7f6436dda13482ff2108.jpg
until it fucking taxes me anyway after the blitz

[worldly anchor]

Vet still works without keystones, if it worked before you can make it work again. I don't run keystones except for my bolter build, I run games just fine

[celest vine]

Kill elites to get charges

[winter dock]

Yeah but you really gotta use them efficiently. Make sure to swap regularly, manage the stacks

[celest vine]

[bitter turtle]

its like they forgot

[gilded dock]

Why did they nerf Veteran???? The least compelling class is now even less fun to play

[fading anvil]

Trimming out the tax nodes would do wonders

[viscid marlin]

I wanted longshot to be on a different row but i have to take middle now or i'm gimped

[wispy oyster]

Working and being good are two different things. If you don't use the keystones, every Vet build you ran before is blatantly worse.

[winter dock]

Truly this is all we needed

[ivory rock]

[winter dock]

Remove the tax nodes, create lanes between the lines

[bitter turtle]

putting CK up there was a mistake yeah

[winter dock]

donezo beans

[untold mulch]

Must crabwalk

[lilac heron]

Vets have way too much tax

[viscid marlin]

that would fix everything but we all know they wont do that

[fading anvil]

Yep yep, less tax and more bridges between trees

[ivory rock]

Me tryna figure out why I need a node right under the ass hair of my blitz

[bright ocean]

It does feel like we have a lot less points of actual talent nodes now.

[lilac heron]

Other classes have a lot of good option nodes, vet has too many core nodes with tax between them

[fading anvil]

Perf

[worldly anchor]

Not necesarily, I'd rather have extra toughness than keystones on certain builds. You forget weapon blessings to majority of the work.

[bitter turtle]

we got 1 (one) bridge in the beginning lol

[frank ether]

you can also like take a lvl20 psyker with gray weapons and make that work

[bitter turtle]

then they forgot bridges exist

[frank ether]

doesnt mean anything

[hollow solstice]

Even in the online world, the IRS finds a way to tax me 😭

[frank ether]

this is all nothing burger talk

[bitter turtle]

also this makes me laugh

[astral blade]

vet keystones worth going for?

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/a488f3507c421d979cdb0730778d5ba0.png

[heavy bridge]

Does Marksman work well with Laspistols? I feel like it can start one-shotting everything really fast

[bitter turtle]

'they REALLY wanted to keep twinning blast huh

lul

[spark helm]

Man. I just.

[lilac heron]

Just cuz you can do decent as a really good player doesnt mean vet isnt nerfed into struggling more than other classes

[bitter turtle]

just squeeze it in there awkwardly

[flint garden]

35 talent points when

[worldly anchor]

Doesn't take away from any other essence of the game like keystones do to the rest of the tree. I'd rather have a level 20 psyker that runs the best build he can than someone running keystones because "They cant, not use it."

[spark helm]

Hate this matrix of meltdowns. Going through the YouTube shit. Bruh calm tf down yall it's not that deep and probably not at all that bad.

[sharp epoch]

Laspistol gets inaccurate after rapid fire so less so

[wispy oyster]

Good for you, doesn't change the fact that your old build undoubtedly lost quite a bit of power due to all the talents that just got nerfed. Weapon blessings are not the end all anymore for many weapons. If you aren't running keystones, your build is simply weaker than it was pre patch, that's not something to debate my guy

[untold mulch]

...for in the grim dark future there is only tax nodes.

[fading anvil]

I feel like twinning would be good if you had a guaranteed way to proc it

[bitter turtle]

you're telling me it would be good if it was 100% and not 10 or 20% 🤔

jk

[sleek junco]

Imagine watching clickbait videos lmao

[keen sleet]

You can fire the plasma gun without getting heat now using Always Prepared.

*Steps to replicate:

1. Have 'Always Prepared(2)' equipped.

2. Start a reload to empty the gun.

2. Kill some enemies to build A.P. Stacks.

4. Swap back to your Plasma Gun (stacks reload up to 30% of missing ammo from reserves)

??????

Profit.

Applies to both the Primary and Secondary (charged) fire.

Breaks on next standard reload.*

[fading anvil]

Like 100% after an elite kill or something

[bitter turtle]

ya i mean definitely it would be better if they put a condition and made it guaranteed after filling said condition

[untold mulch]

It needs either a 33-50% chance to proc, or a way to FORCE it to proc

[pulsar shore]

With 35 talent point Vet will be mid and others classes are overpowered 🥲

[spark helm]

I'm just jumping around different shit and it's weird. Just weird.

[untold mulch]

WE ONCE BACK AT FINDING WAYS TO GET UNLIMITED HEAT?

[frank ether]

''level 20 psyker that runs the best build''

I mean.. Just read that a few more times and come back when you notice the logical fallacy there

[worldly anchor]

My build doesn't lose any power without keystones. The only thing it lost is extra toughness, which I get from other sources. I still destroy hoardes and specialist alike with ease, the only thing I take away on is taking out DH when he is rarely disturbed.

[worldly anchor]

"Best build he can"

[stone birch]

new mission demands a shield psyker lol

[spark helm]

I hate this kind of argument but most mfkers really not all that good like they think they are in aurics to be shitting themselves this hard over veteran changes. Like every time this happens and I play, class is just stable.

[junior needle]

While the 6d can be killy still, it's considerably outclassed by guns with better dps AND ammo economy that also don't require volley fire or strict talent taxes to compete.

[frank ether]

so you still havent noticed the logical fallacy you are criticizing vets for running the mathematically best builds but praising psyker for doing the same

[junior needle]

This is essentially gray and talentless on a columnus

[untold mulch]

Goddamn

[wispy oyster]

I'm saying you are most likely using talents that just got quite big stealth nerfs. If you are running any of those it DID get worse. lmao

[spark helm]

Most of the time folk are straight up getting clapped for overextending, running into a crossfire, not looking up/behind themselves, having less efficient target priority, it's wild.

[untold mulch]

I want whatever thwe Autoguns are having on my lasguns

[worldly anchor]

Im saying keystones either make or break your build. You can run them, but depending on what you're building, keystones either add, or take away from your tree.

[swift ingot]

New mission soundtrack goes hard af

[bitter turtle]

column would literally outclass recon even if they didnt touch it imo lol

[stone birch]

it do, i like it

[visual pendant]

You know what would be sick, if they just made Blitz, Aura, Ability indepedent chocies from the rest of the build that just unlocked at certain point investment

[untold mulch]

Its so silly

[bitter turtle]

unnerfed recon from 13 would have had better ammo economy in exchange for horrible maniac damage

but its not like column iag now has any ammo problem itself

[wooden oar]

If you use focus target and have tagging on left click you will repeatedly get the sound que if you spam click towards a enemy.. Good fun 😂 Teammates also hear it.

[keen sleet]

I was wondering what that dude was doing in one game

[untold mulch]

Recon got disproportionally hit, only because Fatshark is dumb

[frank ether]

They don't take away anything but talent points, which you can still win the game without. So if your argument is ''you can win the game fine'' you don't have anything else to add to the discussion.

[edgy condor]

what talents got stealth nerfed? And were they really stealth nerfed, as in fatshark didn't include them in patchnotes and hopes we won't notice? Please don't be that, in my mind that's just being a deceptive scumbag and completely breaks trust with your community as a developer

[junior needle]

Here's with talents and actually built (the only boost to reaper damage is from dumdum)

[shell ginkgo]

Yes

[worldly anchor]

That wasn't the arguement at all. If you had read the start of the discussion

[kind scarab]

Yes. I am aware that Colum hits like a truck. I use it on Psyker for the gunpsyker build.

[shell ginkgo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17v1okc/vet_stealth_nerfs_and_buffs_written_out/

[untold mulch]

By the Emperor. Thats T5!?

[wispy oyster]

Yes, there is a list of them on the forums

[junior needle]

yes

[civic bay]

From my limited labbing, I actually like the keystones and overall feel so far. My main complaint would be the lack of flexibility and some stuff that needs tweaking/fixing.

[junior needle]

I only test on t5

[kind scarab]

But my point is that if I can run my recon, without picking up ammo and still do a T5 without feeling uncomfortable, that it's a perfectly fine and usable weapon.

[untold mulch]

Goddamn.

[delicate moat]

spamming ping is really, really annoying

[kind scarab]

If I wanted to remove everything with the quickest TTK, I'd be using my revolver, not the colum or Recon

[stone birch]

LOL i love when teammates ask me why I cannot snipe gunners and snipers as I get clubbed by poxwalkers that walked right past them as I was lining up a shot.

[junior needle]

gunpsyker

[wispy oyster]

People could run pre buff shovel on T5 without feeling uncomfortable

[untold mulch]

Average pug idiot

[wispy oyster]

That isn't a good argument

[edgy condor]

for fucks sake, my opinion of fatshark is in the fucking gutter after today's update. Completely incompetent idiots that are gonna spit in our faces while they're at it for good measure, and assume we're too stupid to notice

[kind scarab]

Column with Scry slaps

[keen sleet]

SO TRUE I love my gunsyker

[junior needle]

[spark helm]

I'm js...mfkers really need to stop not understanding mechanics when they've played long enough. Saves a lot of runs and frustration.

[untold mulch]

Been twice I got burned IN AROW trusting them of a patch

[bitter turtle]

man

i cant believe tac awareness is taxed now too lol

fucking born leader

gtfo

[untold mulch]

Imma assume part 2 is a -50% ammo nerf to Vet, and be happier about it

[wispy oyster]

Yeah IDC what your opinions are on the nerfs, but refusing to put them in patch notes is just shady.

[stone birch]

yep. Like yeah, the gunners in my last mission butchered us, because I did not snipe them, because I kept getting swarmed by poxwalkers cuz CC failed its work. I'm considering moving back to shredder frag grenades on my marksman build

[frank ether]

they already did that in p13

[delicate moat]

new mission on normal damnation legit harder than on auric because of teammates

[civic bay]

Left side, the perk that gives stacks for standing still makes it super easy to stack. Right side, all the perks beyond the keystone seem questionable? Middle keystone should probably refund some amount of stacks if the target dies, and not sure how reliable 8 stacks is outside of first tag each fight.
(haven’t gone in-game yet)

[untold mulch]

TRUE THAT

They can certainly do it again

[frank ether]

dont care

I'll just go back to drg if they keep on this path

[visual pendant]

it's up 100% of the time

[spark arrow]

you guys notice this doesnt say elite anymore ?

[kind scarab]

Never did

[untold mulch]

I have Rogue Trader in my list

[bitter turtle]

it was always specialist only

[frank ether]

no point whinging non stop about it

like it is what it is

[mystic belfry]

It didn’t

[spark arrow]

i could have sworn it was specialst and elite

[frank ether]

its not like the game is difficult either way

[spark helm]

Such is the way of learning t5. No fundamentals, no gameplay 4 u.

[bitter turtle]

nop

if it said that it would be a bug

[kind scarab]

You're thinking of the node on the psyker tree

[bitter turtle]

it was always specialist only

[mystic belfry]

No there’s other abilities that are both

[civic bay]

Which one are you referring to here?

[junior needle]

If you're workhorsing with the gun as a mainline weapon you NEED to pick ammo, there's no way around it. Are you using it as a sidearm and doing mostly melee? Because there's another guy who openly said he barely ever uses the gun and was even trying to defend the mk2 dps because he could "kill shooters with it fine".

[edgy condor]

im pissed at drg lately too, they went from a good model of pumping out free new content, to year+ long seasons while they work on spinoff games. I don't want spinoff games, I want you to stick with the good game you have and not waste it's untapped potential

[untold mulch]

Completetely understand

But dear Emperor, I am sick and tired of hearing it is what it is

[frank ether]

I would care a lot less if they treated each class the same way

[kind scarab]

If it's a special/elite/disabler I shoot it with the gun

Simple as

If it's a pox, I whack it with my sword

[spark helm]

Oh nah

[mystic belfry]

Wasn’t true even in Vermintide sadly

[spark helm]

Shove that bitch hello?

[visual pendant]

Sorry should've been more clear lmao. The node that makes your marked targets give group damage when they die, it's an additive effect. So if you mark soemthing for 3 stacks it'll get given to everyone and then the next target kill at 2 stacks adds to it and refreshes the duration

[kind scarab]

You're thinking of poxburster, I'm talking about pox hordes

[spark helm]

Oh

Pfft fuck

[faint blade]

Removing 50 Thoughness from "Duty and Honor" and makeing the Skilltree worse. Fatshark must really hate Support Veterans.

[mystic belfry]

But we might be closer to Vermintide a half decent balance in like four years lol

[stiff pasture]

Poxwalkers are zombies

[spark helm]

I still do that

[untold mulch]

tbf

100 was too much

[hearty panther]

Vet Shout was busted

[stiff pasture]

Poxbursters are exploding zombies

[mystic belfry]

The shout nerf was actually called for

[spark helm]

Vt2 class balance is whack as hell compared to this

[hearty panther]

It still has 50% uptime at base.

[mystic belfry]

It’s other nerfs that are weird

[edgy condor]

they hate veterans period. this new tree is proof

[frank ether]

darktide needs about 5 years to catch DRG in content

[spark helm]

And darktide is much much easier by comparison

[keen sleet]

They should've made it not stack

[faint blade]

It was huge yeah but the whole changes in the Skilltree completely killed and buried it

[dense glade]

I'm guessing they're trying to get people to buy new games since DRG has now been bought by most of the people who would want it

[stone birch]

I like this new tree more than the old one.

[junior needle]

Behold, the kill stealer

[stone birch]

and I main vet.

[spark helm]

I hated the old trees.

[mystic belfry]

No shout is still great

[visual pendant]

And also you know, the devs want to create new games as well

[kind scarab]

You wish. I was just ahead of everyone killing everything.

[dense glade]

this too

[modern crescent]

the difference narrows if we remove content that shouldn't have happened in the first place

[noble onyx]

They did that for free (barring cosmetics DLCs) so it's understandable that after some time they might want to develop more games.
Not every game can be like Terraria or Stardew Valley and basically be sustained by nothing but very dedicated users.

[kind scarab]

I don't care what reasoning you wanna use. Fact is, I did plenty of the work and didn't need to pick up ammo.

[spark helm]

Like I loved the game but the old trees just kind of, eh. Dry depending on what you were going for. Much more variability with the new shit.

[junior needle]

You did pick up ammo though >.>

[frank ether]

you know what else would narrow if we removed stuff that didn't need to exist?

Vet talent tree.

[spark helm]

That's just you

[kind scarab]

I picked up ammo by mistake

[spark helm]

Ffs

[faint blade]

It is, don't get me wrong by far still my favourite talent on the Veteran. I usually played Auric with Laspistol Crit and Thoughness Regen for my Team and it feels so useless now

[kind scarab]

I never was having issues of running out of ammo

[delicate moat]

kicked for griefing

[junior needle]

That's what they all say, this guy is a phony.

A BIG FAT PHONY

[bitter turtle]

damn

[paper furnace]

nerf vet more, i use 0/30 talents and grey weapons and still solo the whole mission 😎

[bitter turtle]

i cant hit my old numbers on column vs crushers

[kind scarab]

Ah yes, 2 small packs and 1 large pack on a recon. That I picked up while not needing.

[bitter turtle]

1.6k~ dps vs 1.9k~ prepatch

[modern crescent]

the people demanded keystones and for their sins they got them

[bitter turtle]

prob need to adjust the tree somewhere still

[visual pendant]

Even worse

This guy wasted ammo

[bitter turtle]

i had to skip the fucking keystone

[edgy condor]

well, drg is just boring anymore because I've unlocked every single weapon and overclock. There's nothing new to work towards aside from rng cosmetic drops. On top of that, again, year+ long seasons, and particularly the last two seasons with rockpox were boring af. Not interesting or engaging in the slightest. The last good update drg had was when they added new weapons.

[astral blade]

hold up did they nerf vet voice of command

[spark helm]

Like straight up dawg, get over it just for a moment or something. I don't understand this idea that vet was somehow struggling or some shit between different builds. Vets literally got an expanded kit the moment the overhaul dropped. How many weapons were just ignored before this? Who tf was running autoguns by choice by the time they could roll around in og t5?

[untold mulch]

Patch 20

Vet talents actively penalizes you

[stone birch]

my numbers on revolver and helbore have gone up with the update. So, I see this as a buff.

[spark helm]

There's so much cap.

[bitter turtle]

yes back to +50 overtoughness

cd stays the same as buffed though

[civic bay]

Oh snap, I think that explains why I was sitting on 8 stacks for the buff in one case. I’m assuming the tag itself still requires waiting at least 14 seconds for 8 stacks which is what made me hesitant but the buff stacking and refreshing helps.

[junior needle]

Tryna pull a fast on one us, and on a regular damnation. smh tbh

[astral blade]

the fuck is wrong with fat shark

[analog blaze]

The bottom of the vet tree is unreachable. It's half filler nodes.

[fast scaffold]

Did they fix the revolver blessings effecting other weapons?

[kind scarab]

My guy, I used the least ammo out of everyone on that team that uses ammo

[nimble sentinel]

quick Q

Melee weapons: is power sword the only viable choice if I don't have carapace piercing on my gun?

[kind scarab]

and you still looking for holes to poke

[spark hamlet]

Shuvl

[untold mulch]

They slam their heads on the keyboard until a patch comes out

[nimble sentinel]

shuvl does carapace?

[spark helm]

There were literally plenty of functional builds in aurics that never needed a keystone to be useful.

[bitter turtle]

knife if you like FUN weapons

[fading anvil]

The axes rip up armor

[analog blaze]

No, krak grenades exist. Also, chain weapons are okay. Knife too

[rotund pasture]

kraks and all the grenade perks do fine... if you don't care about getting a keystone

[delicate moat]

combat axe, but safest bet is psword

[stone birch]

also yes you can infact reach they keystones while getting other goodies.

[rotund pasture]

what's the verdict on the new keystones btw? are any of them worth taking or are they just too far away to justify

[analog blaze]

I just wish all the auras gave even .5% ammo in addition to current effects

[delicate moat]

i really appreciate sunder now

[sleek junco]

I think there is potential in this build, but I feel like none of my weapons do any damage anymore

[spark hamlet]

I feel like they’re just trolling you

[delicate moat]

not getting stopped by carapace is massive

[visual pendant]

egg

[sturdy schooner]

the new skill tree feels awful

[spark hamlet]

This is the way

[stone birch]

Krak is still amazing.

[junior needle]

I didn't pick up ammo
I used the least ammo out of everyone on that team that uses ammo

HMMM that's not what you said before

[hybrid river]

Middle and right are very good, left seems to be pretty good but may encourage new players to have a bad playstyle

[frank ether]

I can just baaarely take weapon specialist, no talents left to afford any modifiers. Its meh. I think I'd be better off just taking agile engagement

[nimble sentinel]

carried my first carnival with this, thoughts?

[kind scarab]

I've played some matches with him, he's a good guy we just poking fun

[harsh chasm]

so what melee weapons is everyone using for vet? i heard that the powersword is still okay to use.

[spark hamlet]

O

[spark hamlet]

Shuvl

[maiden pilot]

shovel gang rise up (it was buffed greatly)

[sleek junco]

devil's claw atm

[nimble sentinel]

okay other than free krak, axes and dagger?

[edgy condor]

my friend, may I introduce you to Exhilarating Takedown, which makes you take 30% MORE toughness damage, instead of reducing it. And has also been confirmed to NOT be fixed in this latest patch, in spite of the fact that the developers have acknowledged the bug before this patch came out. And the best fatshark can do is say "We're working on it!" Bruh, it's literally just a value, a number, that's positive and needs to be made negative. The simplest thing in the world and they couldn't be bothered to fix it in this patch.

[willow badger]

I'm a lasgun ps6 player. What branch would you guys recommend

[tall canopy]

catachan iv is pretty goated

[analog blaze]

They're so far away that you are really forced into a playstyle. They're good and I like the right side one after using it a little bit. Just hard to justify.

[quick burrow]

u guys think its worth dipping down to superiority complex ?

or taking onslaught

[tall canopy]

no

[kind scarab]

Wanna go do a no-ammo mission together and we see how things go?

[visual pendant]

Well... somehow tinkerer was giving vets stun immunity, so who knows... maybe it's not as simple as a value change

[noble onyx]

I think you're expecting a bit too much from it. I have nearly 900 hours in it since 2018, and I still play it at least once in two weeks. They also still constantly add seasonal stuff that they could've just reused from earlier events.
I won't lie, the seasons do get stale after a while, but for what's being offered, it is rock solid replayability.

[analog blaze]

This patch did get me to finally use the move aura and smoke grenades so I could try the keystone. That's... Something

[untold mulch]

Please understand indie studio of 5 dudes and a cat, adding a - is too hard in such a small timeframe

[frank ether]

thats because they added that in the code

[noble onyx]

Don't worry, the fix will come with Part 2 in December

[heavy bridge]

Plasma weapon specialist seems like it might be workable? Guaranteed critical hits and automatic reloading, combined with a suoer fast weapon switch, feels like it could almost be good.

[nimble sentinel]

forgot weapons, not a fan of the psword but 2 kraks isn't enough

[frank ether]

it is that simple they just made tinkerer give stun immunity

there is no complexity the coder is fucking high

[astral blade]

seriously which bozo from fat shark suggested that VOC needed a nerf

[spark hamlet]

Idk VOC was very good

[hearty panther]

VoC absolutely needed a nerf

[rapid hull]

Is the fireteam aura still 3% damage boost?

[spark hamlet]

For what it did and the Uptime

[stone birch]

VoC absolutely needed a nerf.

[hearty panther]

5% now

[visual pendant]

Literally everyone of us who used it pre-patch

[delicate moat]

how much anti carapace you need depends on teammate too

[fading grove]

you guys think smoke is more valuable now with the punishing gunners etc? Keep getting locked in on melee hordes which is ok, but then the gunners just seem to really make it more difficult

[edgy condor]

can we get a mod to reskin the ogryn's rock into fatshark employees, so we can throw them at heretics?

[quick burrow]

ammo arua or troll cmon now

[frank ether]

lmao no

[delicate moat]

e.g. in pubs i assume the team has negative carapace dmg

[spark helm]

Vocock is just solid. People addicted to it lose their mind.

[untold mulch]

Damn, you should give Fatshark your curriculum, you are overqualified

[astral blade]

that be nice

[sturdy schooner]

reskin it into pearls so we can clutch them harder when ppl arent playing vet

[spark hamlet]

Y’all just need John Darktide and crab walk out of cover to volley fire all the gunners and die to three ragers

[spark helm]

Oh boy, we attacking devs again?

Man

That'll work

[stone birch]

VoC can still knock down an entire horde, refresh toughness, and allow quick ally pickups since 50% revive speed is a thing vets can do

amazing skill

[heavy bridge]

you can crouch walk now too, for what it's worth

[south spindle]

Yeah its still super strong, had a pal using VoC earlier, still super valuable

[edgy condor]

instead of showing off your grenade in elevators to boost morale as the ogrynomicon suggests, just pearl clutch during elevator rides!

[junior needle]

I will bring my kickback ogryn, and you may supply me with ammo from survivalist. Good luck getting kills from me

[visual pendant]

How come nobody is talking about how you lose stacks one at a time and it actually doesn't seem like you have to micromanage it at all?

[analog blaze]

Infiltrate is better imo. Too many bonus nodes but I love it.

[spark hamlet]

I indulge myself as John Darktide on auric damnation time to time

[south spindle]

They only nerfed the overtoughness, nothin else

[frank ether]

replace ragers with poxwalkers and you got john darktide

[spark helm]

Voc will literally never be bad in a game like this.

[delicate moat]

VoC stagger is insanely valuable

[spark hamlet]

It’s not terrible

[heavy bridge]

oh wait really??
Haven't had a chance to play yet

[hearty panther]

Because most people just read the trees on paper and don't actually do any testing.

[kind scarab]

Nah nah. You get a vet like the rest of us. And we see how things are on a proper playing field.

[bitter turtle]

actually I just realized

[wispy oyster]

Because in actual game practice you still do

[winter dock]

wait

[spark helm]

It would have to be thrown into one hell of a blender with a patch for it to be unhelpful.

[bitter turtle]

bleed is gone huh
im glad I kept rolling new knives since mercy killer is shit now for vet lol

[kind scarab]

It's easy for me to get top of the leaderboard when it's randoms from Soloq. It's a different story with competent people.

[winter dock]

Ranged Weapons Specialist is 33% ranged crit per stack. It maxes at 10*. Does this mean 3 melee kills gives you 5 seconds of Guaranteeed crits?

[visual pendant]

it's middle right

[elder vessel]

I dont hate the new keystones, but I dont like how vet tree is still insanely expensive to travel

[spark hamlet]

Ignorance is a blessing :D

[bitter turtle]

i must be blind, where is it

[stone birch]

serrated blades still exists.

[spark hamlet]

No leaderboard, no problem

[tall canopy]

its a very chunky tree with a fair few nothing burger talent taxes

[bitter turtle]

oh

I see it

[torpid hedge]

What revolver do people run this patch now

[bitter turtle]

nvm

[viscid marlin]

It means 3 melee kills give you one bullet of crit.

[kind scarab]

Depends on tree

[visual pendant]

The same revolver

[quick burrow]

@torpid hedge laspistol

[spark hamlet]

There more than one?

[frank ether]

weapon specialist probably

[kind scarab]

No, just one kill.

[stone birch]

surgical handcannon.

[torpid hedge]

build I meant

[viscid marlin]

Oh its not even 33%?

[spark hamlet]

D’oh

[winter dock]

So the effects lasts for ONE kill

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174079259225100318/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.14_-_22.09.36.12.mp4

Right now.

[winter dock]

The keystone does NOT say that. Thanks FS

[frank ether]

you can stack agile and weapon specialist

[torpid hedge]

ty

[glacial forum]

Can Say
Vet does feel bloated

[kind scarab]

It's just Saltzpyres blessed shots ability

[torpid hedge]

same as before

[fast scaffold]

What do you mean I can't negate pox bursters for free anymore? I think the ogryn node for exec stance seems a bit expensive though, if they did that, they should have gotten rid of the refresh node and just bake it into the ability

[glacial forum]

used to feel really smooth to play

[kind scarab]

So 1 melee kill = 1 crit bullet

[glacial forum]

But now its almost got a "muck" to it

[stone birch]

its really hard to top a near guaranteed crit that guarantees the follow up WILL kill that crusher or mauler

[visual pendant]

Can still tank snipers, maulers and crushers though

[bitter turtle]

why does middle tree require one extra tax in born leader

https://i.gyazo.com/43bd04b94ee3a898c11a7561e5655433.png

[sharp epoch]

bc support vet

[shell ginkgo]

Fatshark tax.

[viscid marlin]

"Hey so that whole keystone rework thing we have been promising.. Yeah actually we are just going to rip out code for two abilities from our last game and paste them in here have fun." sounds like what happened.

[frank ether]

because fuck veterans

[sharp epoch]

wanma get the good talents you gotta be support

[untold mulch]

Don't you want to pay points for Talents no one picks?

[noble onyx]

There are too many talents split up into several, considering the Veteran has 99 total potential nodes compared to the other classes ~80

[uneven hull]

Does the middle Veteran keystone work on Monstrosities?

[kind scarab]

Exactly what happened i feel

[visual pendant]

Instead of born leader, can we get the Sister of the Thorn passive?

[kind scarab]

My guy

[viscid marlin]

What in the actual fuck.

[bitter turtle]

its funny because born leader was not even very good with unnerfed CK

[visual pendant]

Where allies generate all our toughness instead

[untold mulch]

THere is no meme here

its the truth for all I know

[bitter turtle]

now its just terrible

[stuck crystal]

What do I change on this one?

[kind scarab]

They stole psykers abilities from this game, and made it Sienna's 5th class

And pretended they put effort into creating something new

[spark hamlet]

How hyped was the keystone rework?

[stone birch]

yes

[tall canopy]

the new map opens pretty strong but teters off a little I feel

[uneven hull]

Nice, means at least one keystone is not completely hopeless then

[tall canopy]

the c4 breaching shit was cool

[livid relic]

I'm here because I heard this is where people go who are sad about veteran.
I'm sad about veteran. Can I be sad here?

[visual pendant]

It really needs to be like... 40% or something

[bitter turtle]

the middle is definitely good

[livid relic]

wait what why did that reply

[torpid hedge]

I think people were happy with how things were and werent looking for new keystones

[bitter turtle]

tried it and it made my column iag jump back to pre-patch levels of dps

[winter dock]

I am gonna hold out hope that Weapons Specialist is supposed to actually last several seconds and not just be a one-off deal :/

[viscid marlin]

We were at least hoping it wouldn't be worse then what it was.

[kind scarab]

Discord is smoking stuff recently. I've also had it reply to the wrong people.

[noble onyx]

They put extra effort into it so you can pay extra

[winter dock]

cuz 15% attak speed for ONE attack is...

dumb

[tall canopy]

there were some strong builds last patch

[stone birch]

everybody else is already sad about the buffs to left side, so yeah. youz in the right place

[untold mulch]

You can, though you will get people to tell you suck up

[visual pendant]

It's a good idea for a talent tbh, it's just the numbers are so low it never does anything. Generating 1 toughness for your allies lmao

[tall canopy]

now they're nerfed to accomodate keystones (and general balance)

[heavy bridge]

I feel like Weapons Specialist Plasma and Shotguns might actually be pretty fun

[stone birch]

new map demands a shield psyker lol

[spark hamlet]

A reason to run ghost you say?

[kind scarab]

I've already tried shotguns with WS. It's actually pretty funny

[noble onyx]

Gunners were already ridiculous but trumped by Crushers and Ragers last patch, now Gunners are literally everywhere

[upper flame]

What’s good for shredder auto pistol build?

[heavy bridge]

good funny?

[livid relic]

It's gonna take a while to get used to the fact that I'm not allowed to mark Daemonhosts for the team anymore since I'm using the middle keystone :)

[spark hamlet]

Shuvl

[kind scarab]

It can be if you want to invest into it.

[upper flame]

Alright thanks

[restive raptor]

Grutting hell what did I walk into?

[spark hamlet]

Take with grain of salt

[kind scarab]

A mess

[stone birch]

the inability to adapt to changing situations.

[spark hamlet]

I think shovel is ‘good’ for many things

[tall canopy]

vets are in dire straits again

[stone birch]

they really ain't.

[iron marten]

maybe vet chat will be chaos for the next couple of days

[tall canopy]

cant have shit in tertium

[spark hamlet]

Love that band

[restive raptor]

If ya can't adapt ya can't fight

[untold mulch]

Average chat hours

[restive raptor]

A vet knows this

[visual pendant]

I don't use power swords, but apparently there's somethign bugged about their dodges in this patch as well?

[bitter turtle]

so

should we just bind enemy mark onto our shoot button now lol'

since i have to MARK LITERALLY EVERYTHING NOW for dmg boost

[keen sleet]

I was wondering what was up with that

[junior needle]

Did they fix exhilarating takedown?

[edgy condor]

[kind scarab]

For mid tree, sadly yeah

[shell ginkgo]

[keen sleet]

Next update

[stone birch]

may surgical bless you

[shell ginkgo]

Of course not

[livid relic]

haHAAA you wish

[winter dock]

Actually you're better off marking one thing every 10 seconds

[untold mulch]

Next Weektm

[tall canopy]

being able to tag multiple targets would've been neat

but alas

[keen sleet]

Week*

[tall canopy]

the upgrades for the keystones kinda suck too

[viscid marlin]

I already tried this actually just because damn. But yeah you would have to let go of the button and re-ads to get it to proc on the next target.

[winter dock]

take the teamwide damage buff node on the right, when the buff runs out mark and kill a thing to refresh

[heavy bridge]

I mean you already have a decent perk and a good blessing, even if she does just fix it

[shell ginkgo]

Can't fix Ex takedown, too busy nerfing Vet.

[jolly jacinth]

May surgical bless you brother

[frank ether]

even the modifiers are fucking taxes lmao

[livid relic]

Or tagging groups of specialists, like a small AoE tag

[kind scarab]

That gun can't be ruined. You don't even need surgical anymore if you run right tree and hotswap to melee between kills.

[delicate moat]

did they change psword stagger on crushers/maulers?

[torpid hedge]

Also this is what im running for "bind left click to tag" Vet

[tall canopy]

i imagine some of this shit will get tweaked but yeah kinda sucks to suck

[spark hamlet]

I can’t get too upset over a game I wrote off as a waste of money when it launched

[visual pendant]

What about a modifer that automatically tagged stuff every x seconds lmao

[willow badger]

Gimme

[delicate moat]

sometimes it seemed like PS didn't cancel their attack

[viscid marlin]

You dont need to let it run out, it will refresh infinitely from my testing so long as you kill another marked tarket even with one stack on it. And you keep the refresh of the 8 stack.

[kind scarab]

100% crit on first shot only

[edgy condor]

fatshark found themselves totally and completely unable, dare I say they could not even, and so the illustrious act of adding a " - " was sadly unachieved this patch. But hey maybe next patch though!

[untold mulch]

We hoped for a Tax Evasion rework

We got hit that we owed more than calculated

[runic atlas]

Has patch not hit yet, my resupply penance still broken

[crude wind]

It's 100% on one shot

[grand vessel]

Gentlemen, I have become john darktide

[spark hamlet]

Oh yeah…. That

[mystic escarp]

It is not

Works for me

[runic atlas]

F

[crude wind]

That scenario isn't always active though

[bitter turtle]

tentative knife/iag build
https://i.gyazo.com/70c3fb2c616dd565d5e9d1eb26330b53.png

[obtuse crescent]

What gun you running for that?

[crude wind]

Plenty of times you need to shoot 5 times

[torpid hedge]

Braced Autogun, but I might swap to revolver

[frank ether]

if you want to shoot exactly one bullet sure

[viscid marlin]

But mah deadshot and 30% weakpoints..

[crude wind]

Surgical still good

[torpid hedge]

I'd have to get rid of the right tree

[kind scarab]

If going right tree, you don't need speedloader either. I'd recommend Glory if you want more toughness terrifying barrage so you can just melee -> Shoot -> Melee without getting slapped around

[bitter turtle]

find me which points i can drop for precision strikes and ill drop them

lol

[grizzled pebble]

Yo is the graia infantry recoil fix yet or is it still worse than the agri?

[bitter turtle]

i want it but i cant really afford it

[astral blade]

at least give us vets like 2 or 3 more points to work with

[delicate moat]

i uhh would've gotten rid of the keystone myself lul

[grand vessel]

Considering that the Agri is accuracy

Grai is middle ground...

Columnus is bullet hose

[viscid marlin]

Everything at the bottom, because crits and 30% weakpoints are more damage then keystones you have to jump through hoops for anyways.

[crude wind]

Worse I think, it has good stationary recoil but bad moving

[livid relic]

Is the 8-stack modifier on Focus Target worth the point?

[bitter turtle]

damn

you're right

[untold mulch]

Nah, adding points is a mess

Fatshark just needs to fix the karking pathing and cut bloat

[bitter turtle]

i just tried it lol

rip stonekips

[viscid marlin]

yup

[astral blade]

true

[kind scarab]

8 stack gives you 4.5% more damage to each teammate, if you grabbed the node to the right of it as well.

[crude wind]

100%

[grizzled pebble]

Aight so it still sucks. They really cucked the graia's recoil. For no reason it's worse than the agri and does less damage.

[crude wind]

It affects the perma buff

[bitter turtle]

not taking deadshot though

its an automatic

i like having stamina

[untold mulch]

THere are WAY TOO MANY talents that are who tf was smoking when writing this one?

[crude wind]

Well the Agri recoil is wrong atm

[livid relic]

That'll go great with my awesome 5% damage Aura :^)

[crude wind]

It should climb higher

[viscid marlin]

i'm using an automatic, i have stamina for days

[delicate moat]

not using movespeed? skill issue

[untold mulch]

Forfeit all stamina

[frank ether]

hey now you can brag about your overkill damage

[delicate moat]

stamina is overrated

[livid relic]

that's what i play zealot for tho

[bitter turtle]

are you using duck and dive

[kind scarab]

If you think about it. That 5% aura + 12% Buff to all teammates is a whole ass 17% more team damage at all times

[visual pendant]

Hey look on the brightside

[bitter turtle]

i cant take it

[frank ether]

vets discount zealot anyways

[visual pendant]

At least there's no crit damage nodes

[viscid marlin]

i am

[bitter turtle]

ya i have to take recip

knife meme

[junior needle]

jesus christ

[kind scarab]

And that's ignoring the 8 stack damage you can have on enemies that'll give you 32% more to work with

[viscid marlin]

get both

[delicate moat]

cant u get rid of the bottom half of ur middle tree

[livid relic]

clip
fatshark pls

[kind scarab]

All in all, you can have a whole ass 49% extra damage to the whole team on a single target if you build yourself for it.

[brisk umbra]

Honestly, i'm loving Focus Target

[untold mulch]

Literally unplayable

[visual pendant]

Would a battery pack be a clip or a magazine

[bitter turtle]

actually yeah I guess I could fit it

[heavy bridge]

when you say that, +49% damage to a monster for you entire team ain't half bad

[brisk umbra]

while Weapon Specialist is a meme, except with Revolver where it's absolutely busted

[fading anvil]

Id just say battery lmao

[loud steppe]

is there any way to tell how good a weapon is at suppression from your inventory

[frank ether]

Yeah I totally need that for the boss that took 40 seconds to kill

[untold mulch]

I would say they would either call it packs, or mags to simplify

[dense glade]

clipazines

[kind scarab]

And when it's not a boss, you have 17% on everything else that aint currently marked

So that's still pretty useful

[astral blade]

i mean i know the fat shark devs aint the sharpest tools in the tool shed but i mean come on they can at least fix up the pathing for vet

[fading anvil]

Or go orky with powapaks

[stone birch]

BWAHAHAHAH. I just had a nentire mob of dreg melee guys spawn directly behind me. Like they were still shaking in from spawning. almost as good as when a whole ring of maulers spawned around me in a circle; in front of me included.

[viscid marlin]

@bitter turtle Even if i do an entire mag dump on my AGI MKI i still have 40% stamina left over even with deadshot on when i don't wait for it to recharge or dodge or anything.

[kind scarab]

(Not as useful as taking survivalist + the 12% damage to everything though)

Before pedantic mfers roll into chat

[frank ether]

I guess its good if you have to end up fighting a DH but like... dont fight DH?

[zealous prawn]

which is the better of the rapid fire autoguns? graia or columnus?

[delicate moat]

col

[visual pendant]

Why would you not fight it...?

[brisk umbra]

I just realized it, they removed the talent that gave Toughness to your team same as the toughness you gain (even if it was bugged)

[frank ether]

why would I fight it?

[sleek junco]

Lmao just got this with my autogun apparently

[grand vessel]

Here's my build with a columnus IAG

[bitter turtle]

i definitely bottom out on column magdumping with a single +3 stamina curio

[livid relic]

faithless fingers typed this message

[bitter turtle]

but ig its worth it

[visual pendant]

Inquisitor? this one right here please

[bitter turtle]

since its good hpifire aynway

[grand vessel]

It works well enough for me to use it and that's all that matters

[bitter turtle]

can just zoom for the crusher kills

[south garnet]

literally the first thing I thought when they gave previews of them in the trailer

[delicate moat]

columnus will do that yes

[frank ether]

[livid relic]

the sheer number of nodes on this tree lmfao holy god

[delicate moat]

take double +3 stam at least

you can even take triple stam curios

[viscid marlin]

Oh, with that demon yeah you will bottom out. Which is why i use the Mk1, i get more shots with less stam consumption but still good damage and great accuracy.

[grand vessel]

It's the same tree just smushed into a single screenshot size

[faint blade]

Do you want the 3 Stamina or double it and give it to the next Person?

[south garnet]

bro don't you want a keystone bro it's right there brah you don't need those other nodes bro

[livid relic]

Yeah I know, it just makes it easier to tell how insane it is

[south garnet]

they're really cool brah

[bitter turtle]

lemme try agri

[grand vessel]

No, no thank you.

[bitter turtle]

I have an agri and graia both

[frank ether]

kickback og is like how many tiers ahead of current vet though?

[grand vessel]

I tried the keystone. It was not good.

[swift ingot]

I prefer to bully daemonhosts with the club slap

[frank ether]

I mean I guess thats unfair you had that in the patch vet had giga rending

[fading anvil]

Assuming they didn't nerf the bully clubs slap stagger, can still solo a DG

Dh

[bitter turtle]

damn

agri used to do way less than column

[kind scarab]

Zealots walking up to the marked demonhost, and promptly shoving their whole hammer up it's ass

[bitter turtle]

its pretty even with the changes to the tree now though

[visual pendant]

The zealot about to backstab the DH as I shoot it to wake it up

[delicate moat]

i need to watch someone good at using marksman play this game

[viscid marlin]

Yeah and you dont burn through all of your stam

[kind scarab]

The bottom left tree?

[delicate moat]

yeah

[serene sage]

Are you ready to see someone crab walk the game?

[frank ether]

It will be some clown shooting ciag at poxwalkers

[serene sage]

Would be funny tbh

[kind scarab]

Just take the tree, and ignore the stacks. It'll be up when you need it.

[delicate moat]

i need to see how they benefit more from that tree

[manic badger]

Kickback just got nerfed this patch

[viscid marlin]

The funny thing is no one good at the game is going to be standing still

[umbral sorrel]

Good builds? I haven't played since launch and don't have any build to begiin with

[frank ether]

I guess you can get away with that though is the funny thing. marksman is more viable for spam guns than actual marksman weapons

[junior needle]

Did it? The patch notes only mentioned a bug fix

[edgy condor]

Plasma gun damage being wonky based on charge rate has not been adressed this patch, has it?

[untold mulch]

Fatshark are really balance masters

[astral blade]

well fuck the vet keystones

[kind scarab]

They reduced min pellet count

[manic badger]

Yea they shadow nerfed its min pellt count from 16-12

[viscid marlin]

It wasnt the ranged enemies i was referencing

[astral blade]

i'm doing this vet build instead

[frank ether]

I mean really iags are the real winners they work well regardless of any keystone or no keystone.

[swift ingot]

Was bound to happen

Kicky is still pretty damn good tho

[manic badger]

And also fixex the burn stack application bug

[bitter turtle]

ok to be fair actually

[frank ether]

meanwhile think of a vraks 7 are you really gonna fucking shoot melee chaff for your marksman stack? Just sounds dumb as fuck

[untold mulch]

Fatshark wont get me using Autoguns more than for the funny 🗿

[manic badger]

So its not gonna be nearly as ridicolous

[bitter turtle]

i just tried column with the same perks as agri

[astral blade]

how mah build now for vet yay or nay

[grave kayak]

How's Executioner's stance for plasma RN? Without shout I'm a bit concerned with my survivability, but I desperately need more dmg

[edgy condor]

fuck fatshark. balancing is fine, but you have to be honest about it. These shits want to hide everything and just hope nobody notices so they won't get their precious feelings hurt over negative feedback

[frank ledge]

Fellow veterans I'm sick of caxe, chsword and psword, any tips on what to get on a lsword and which variant to get?

[bitter turtle]

it still can do pretty beeg damage compared to agri w/ chains

though yeah i burn through stamn badly lol

[vivid cedar]

Is the golden glow from focus fire client side or does everyone see it?

[bitter turtle]

around 2.3k vs agri 1.9k though

[frank ether]

I agree with this tier list

[bitter turtle]

good crit chains can even jump up to 2.6k on a crusher

[serene sage]

Can you really outdamage old kickback with melee?

[steep echo]

what is best melee weapon for vet?

[spark hamlet]

don’t say it do t say it

[frank ether]

melee vet good, they forgot to nerf agile engagement

[serene sage]

With kickback I just kinda shoot and somehow do tons of damage

[manic badger]

I just don’t like how pathing feels on this reworked vet tree. Feels like ai have to cut off an arm to get have one arm be a bit stronger. But now i still have one arm

[grand vessel]

Hadron bricked?

[vivid cedar]

Bump.

Is the golden glow from focus fire client side or does everyone see it?

[livid relic]

Why PS6?

[manic badger]

Because the light spam is broken

[visual pendant]

PS5 is too expensive

[frank ledge]

Thanks

[astral blade]

i have to sac 2 of my core passive/aura that being onslaught and

[viscid marlin]

I mean they are both good, i can just keep my agri on headshots at longer ranges a lot easier myself, so for me the dps is prety comparable since its easier to use.

imo

[astral blade]

for focus fire

[bitter turtle]

ya makes sense

[livid relic]

Sweet fucking Jesus

[zealous prawn]

is the Columnus V better than the II?

[bitter turtle]

it gives a pretty fair case to the agri either way

[serene bough]

does this work with shotguns in a way that each pellet is a hit

[bitter turtle]

prepatch I felt like it was just kinda worse for the most part

[kind scarab]

No

[astral blade]

that being survivalist and onslaught

[serene bough]

F

[astral blade]

just to get focus fire

[ruby veldt]

Are the new keystones even worth it

[astral blade]

NO

[bitter turtle]

seems like
no

[kind scarab]

They're.... interesting.

[viscid marlin]

You make me sick.. But i want one.

[slow sky]

it costs way too much just to even reach them

[serene sage]

Not sure, I think they're too expensive point wise

[little roost]

anyone know if covering fire works?

[ruby veldt]

Thats what I was thinking too

[viscid marlin]

Right is amazing with the astrisk of being amazing for things that are not automatic.

[serene sage]

Then again there might be a bug that just makes some builds broken

[ruby veldt]

Big agree from reading the descriptions

[spark helm]

Just experiment and try it. You're not likely to get a meaningful explanation that isn't just clouded with the salt. Try some builds, deviate from em whatever

[viscid marlin]

You right, but i really just wanted to use an agi with it

guess it wont work though

agi on right tree bottom is..

well what it is

[kind scarab]

I'd like to point out how funny it is

[viscid marlin]

is it good? i havent played it yet, too much testing

did they add new soundtracks?

[quaint valve]

How come skull crusher is good here?

[kind scarab]

That while left tree is for "marksman" it goes hella hard on auto weapons. And while right tree is the "weapon switch akimbo adhd" keystone. You gotta use single fire weapons with it for best bang for your buck.

[torpid hedge]

Infiltrate Vet is gigachad

[ruby veldt]

I’m a big fan of support shotgun vet. I shall try a build with right keystone. Thank you 🙏

[viscid marlin]

OH HELL YEAH

[torpid hedge]

[viscid marlin]

jesper kyd is amazing

[spark helm]

Oh he's on this?

Didn't know

[viscid marlin]

he's the creator of the music

[spark helm]

Only know him from the AC ost's

[viscid marlin]

yeah

same guy

[spark helm]

Unsure about what else he's done.

[viscid marlin]

absolute gigachad composer

[reef ember]

night siders is a really great tune

[spark helm]

Personally like uh, what's his face.

[winter dock]

jusst did a match with marksman focus on the new map. Not sure if its the map or the keystone but it didn't really have a noticeable impact

[spark helm]

Did stuff for killer instinct (new one), doom and uh...some other shit

[winter dock]

everything still died in onetap to the fact like usual.

[junior needle]

And didn't mention it in the patch notes. Classic fatshark. Anyway I'm gonna try out the "always prepared" node and see how well the 6d is performing with what I think will be an optimal setup for ammo efficiency.

It will probably be massively inflated performance with how much crit chance weapons specialist is giving for everything. Also look into the damage plugin for the scoreboard so people can't bust your chops about using melee to boost your gun performance stats.

[spark helm]

Guy has a very fun sound design for his tracks.

[reef ember]

bastion ost is also jesper kyd iirc

[quaint valve]

What does it actually do?

[viscid marlin]

discord ples.. DM me i want to know what you find

[kind scarab]

You're going to be sorely disappointed. Cause you don't realise that weapon specialist doesn't work the way it says it works.

Right now it's literally just Saltzpyres Blessed bullets.

[viscid marlin]

Is discord having a seizure? I'm pinging the wrong people, messages not going through, quotes not working..

[kind scarab]

1 melee kill = 1 crit bullet

The other stacks seemingly do nothing.

[junior needle]

Obesefish please

Welp there goes that

[polar kraken]

Yeah i just noticed too

[delicate moat]

uhhh does right tree then need a macro to force switch between melee 1 hit and fire 1 shot lul

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174079259225100318/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.14_-_22.09.36.12.mp4

[polar kraken]

but like i feel like it’s a bug

[kind scarab]

Fatshark moment

[polar kraken]

Because there’s nothing in the description suggests that

And the melee buff works for the full 10s

[kind scarab]

Well yes, the reload speed is only if you grab the following nodes.

[winter dock]

One bullet consumes all the stacks of ranged weapons specialist you get from melee kills

[south garnet]

Not a fan of this type of proactive thinking. You seem like someone who could hold a job, which means you don't belong here

[winter dock]

and consume thems

[spark helm]

What you running on your weps? I still need to build up my armory for now but it's no big deal.

[viscid marlin]

If only that keystone was the actual 5 seconds instead of just the first bullet then it would still be good for agi's..

[winter dock]

The only apparent benefit of stacks greater than 3 is the reload

[viscid marlin]

It's copy pasta'd code from vermintide 2 saltzpyre is what it is.

[winter dock]

But the laughable thing is Attack speed

[viscid marlin]

which is why it works like it does

[winter dock]

The fact that both forms of stacks give ATTACK SPEED

for ONE attack

[spark helm]

I can't hold a job for very simple reasons actually lmao. I just like to try everything as much as possible to actually understand what's going on.

[winter dock]

implies that its a bug

and that FS is just really bad

[kind scarab]

I was talking about the basic Weapon specialist node, and it's crit effect. The reload is on the Always prepared portion

[south garnet]

Report back when you do, so we can pretend like we actually liked this tree from the very start

[spark helm]

Got you got you. Thanks. I never really used axes on vet but I might try it. Been wanting to go with like a shotgun skirmisher/"sapper" (smoke or just krak demo)

[tawny kraken]

can someone explain

[slow sky]

i will say tho
weapons specialists feels REALLY good

[quaint valve]

My Mondays and Fridays

[willow badger]

At least they didn't nerf plasma

[kind scarab]

It bounced off his shield, ofc

[strange ledge]

Is ET talent tax?

[kind scarab]

[south garnet]

As soon as someone makes good builds I'm gonna say I knew the tree was actually good from the beginning

[winter dock]

a VERY strong magnet

[spark helm]

I liked it when I was told again that I was overqualified for entry positions before certification. I think I'm pretty consistent lol

[winter dock]

I think Marksmans Focus will be very good on autoguns, ironically

[calm prairie]

base vet toughness is still 100 right

[winter dock]

because they can stack it very fast and KEEP it very easily

[kind scarab]

Yes

[spark helm]

@calm prairie yes

[winter dock]

1s of no stack loss on move for guns that fire several rounds a second seems really nice

[spark helm]

100 tough 150 hp

[winter dock]

and autoguns are also the only weaposn that actually benefit from the finesse

[spark helm]

Before t4 reductions

[kind scarab]

Like I said, left capstone is better for auto weapons, right capstone is better for single fire

[winter dock]

cuz every other high finesse weapon is already one-tapping most things

[calm prairie]

aight ty

[winter dock]

but autoguns don;t

[crisp bronze]

My current Revolver has Hand-Cannon 3, Surgical 3, 20% damage (Maniacs), and 8.5% reload speed. Hand cannon was crafted on. What else should I switch?

[winter dock]

Imagine a Columnus one-tapping a gunner

[kind scarab]

Despite the "design" making you think it's the other way around

[kind scarab]

Switch reload for Cara

[junior needle]

infantry lasguns still get pretty decent modifier wise, not sure about helbores since I didn't check. Recons have shit base modifiers. Also laspistol has the highest I'm pretty sure.

[spark helm]

See that'd be better if my career interests didn't require me to go outside and stop people from dying. :^)

[stone birch]

gotta say, i REALLY like the left side capstone

[south garnet]

Screenshot preferred, we're visual learners, I can only read picture books for instance

[bitter turtle]

the power of magnetism

[limpid turret]

Question: is Focus Target's debuff actually applied to the target (meaning the entire team benefits from it) or is the marking Veteran the only one who gets that damage boost?

[winter dock]

Infantry Lasguns other than the IV are already onetapping most things. It'd really only be relevant on Ogryns and bosses

[crimson wyvern]

...how did I...really random I don't see 80% in any stat on a 380

[stone birch]

with the standing building stacks unlock, it is making my shots do significantly more damage

[kind scarab]

Whole team

[spark helm]

Yo when's snapback 50/50 setup for vet?

[livid relic]

I'm going to lose my goddamn mind over here bros

[winter dock]

hmm

Wait I have an idea

[tawny kraken]

it catches it mid-air

[kind scarab]

You can have 4 things at 80% and one at 60. Or just have all the numbers jumbled up.

[quaint valve]

That's a good one, roll it up and post it

[wanton dawn]

So imo vet is fine damage wise but our survability took a huge hit

[limpid turret]

was that for my post? just wanting to be sure lol

[kind scarab]

Totally bounced off again, totally.

[kind scarab]

Yes

[limpid turret]

tyty

[kind scarab]

np bb

[cinder wadi]

Hey doc do you got an updated build for the revolver xd?

[delicate moat]

smoke wall to the rescue

[tardy turtle]

praise the omnissiah!

[kind scarab]

Yes, but I should warn you it's not the most fun

[winter dock]

Yeah they move our toughness regen to the top (thank the emperor) but they also nerfed confirmed kill 😦

[fading anvil]

That's a godroll plasma now

[cinder wadi]

hmmm?

[kind scarab]

But it'll oneshot pretty much everything if you're paying attention to your foot placement

[cinder wadi]

ooooh

[quaint valve]

You got the makings for a perfect 550 weapon

[crimson wyvern]

Nice thanks for the advice guys 🙂

[cinder wadi]

it uses dat keystone

[fading anvil]

Keep blaze away despite it being only T3 since there's no T4 of blaze away

[kind scarab]

I would much rather recommend for the normal person to use right tree and sacrifice oneshots on Oggies/Mutties in exchange for better melee control however

and having a revolver that reloads itself

[cinder wadi]

If you got builds I would like to try em out

[tardy turtle]

do I just ignore the capstones if I want to play my pre-patch infiltrate-raking fire vet with melee?

[quaint valve]

Swap ranged weakspot to +25% DMG of your choice. Then wait for t4 blaze away

[kind scarab]

Aight gimme a sec and I'll give you a revo build that reloads itself

[crimson wyvern]

Aye aye sir 😄

[kind scarab]

Do you have a decent melee weapon?

[cinder wadi]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[quaint valve]

There's no t4?

[south garnet]

Ignore capstones if you want to play any build that isn't one of the 3 capstone builds, basically

[haughty marlin]

keep blaze swap whatever perk is your preference

[fading anvil]

T4 blaze away isn't a thing on the plasma if I recall

[haughty marlin]

it's not

there is no 4 blaze away

[kind scarab]

Ehhhhhh, that should work

[delicate moat]

i use T5 blaze away

[crimson wyvern]

I have tier 4 Get's Hot, is that decent?

[tulip condor]

lol was gonna say

[delicate moat]

i blaze myself away too

[haughty marlin]

that's very good

[fading anvil]

Id swap heating up for T4 gets hot for the crit bonus

[haughty marlin]

gets hot is A tier

[forest blaze]

Yes

[cinder wadi]

I will get a better chainsaw/force sword later xd

[quaint valve]

I would do it to get that sweet 550

[south garnet]

Some Like It Hot is also A-tier

[strange ledge]

How good are the focus target keystone modifiers?

[kind scarab]

What ultimate do you want to use?

[tulip condor]

curently really good for plasma

[quaint valve]

@crimson wyvern post your finished product

[cinder wadi]

I wanna use ex stance for now

[crimson wyvern]

my finished product my friends

[winter dock]

o.O

Hm

[fading anvil]

Beautiful

[winter dock]

My IvD just killed a Crusher

in...

[delicate moat]

[winter dock]

16 shots

[fading anvil]

Now go melt some faces with that thing

[winter dock]

THAT is pretty efficient..

[quaint valve]

Nooooooo I would have given up the t3 for 550 monkey Brian number

[south garnet]

Your what

[winter dock]

sorry

VId

typo

[south garnet]

Ah

[forest blaze]

Looks great. Kill some heretics

[brisk umbra]

God dayum

[winter dock]

Hey guys

[kind scarab]

This should work out well for you

[winter dock]

Go down hard left tree

then spare 4 points for Onslaught

[kind scarab]

After any melee kill you make, you'll have a guaranteed crit with your revolver BTW

So keep that in mind

[winter dock]

Marksman Focus with an Accatran and Onslaught

will apparently murder literally everything

[stone birch]

yeah gonna be honest, left tree is really good. like, really good.

[winter dock]

and do so efficiently

As in its the same overall efficiency as when they were broke

Its just actually killing in 16 shots, instead of killing after like 70 shots 54 of which were free

[delicate moat]

how so?

[quaint valve]

So recon 6D is back your saying? @winter dock

[winter dock]

I believe so

[junior needle]

If you have 100% headshot uptime then you can get much more than practical value out of the gun in the psyk.

[winter dock]

Lemme snip the setup

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1173960287863451718/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.14_-_14.17.57.03.mp4

[winter dock]

Nono

Mine was faster than that

MUCH

[stone birch]

get the keystone with the standing still upgrade, you will always have stacks when you are taking shots. each stack gives 7.5% buff to finesse, so any weakspot hits get silly powerful.

[junior needle]

Please do share, I'm curious.

[half wigeon]

yeah share please

[heavy bridge]

there's far too much optimism in this channel
reall it back boys, more complaining

[stone birch]

if you have decent aim, left tree is gold.

[delicate moat]

with something like columnus? i need to try it

[south garnet]

I HATE keystones

[winter dock]

I just spawned several crushers, gonna see if I can oneclip them. THen i'll share the build and setup

I can't do clips cuz my computer is a potato and crashes when I try

[viscid marlin]

A bit less damage in my testing but still ok-ish, but yeah the glass cannon is now much more glass cannon.

[sturdy schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-kruber-fall-over-fall-over-gif-26485764

[junior needle]

You could 1 clip 8 crushers with 100% headshot uptime back in yonder day

[sturdy schooner]

me seeing shout nerfs

[half wigeon]

[kind scarab]

Just show us how your tree looks like rn, so we can compare

[quaint valve]

This morning was an inferno, now we are roasting marshmallows

[kind scarab]

I'll grab mine right now for comparison

[junior needle]

Oh yeah, I was wanting to ask if you were using the new tree for that showcase.

[cinder wadi]

btw is VId revived now?

[crimson wyvern]

this is how the gun looks with all the cool stats, pretty cool huh

[winter dock]

I've seen people screencap the entire tree, how do I do that?

[kind scarab]

I use a website and just pick my nodes on it

[winter dock]

gameslantern, got it

gimme sec

[kind scarab]

There's a few tree setups I used for that

[junior needle]

We'll see, but don't get your hopes up. There's a lot of jank going on with the new tree it seems.

[zealous prawn]

good/bad?

[kind scarab]

There's one using the "mark" node, and one using the bottom left tree

The game I took a scoreboard of earlier was using the bottom left tree

[viscid marlin]

If you just stand stock still with far bottom left.. you could maybe make it work but..

[kind scarab]

You ain't gotta hold still

[south garnet]

Just hose heads

[stone birch]

you get 3 seconds of walking for each head that gets popped

[kind scarab]

The amount of headshots you land downrange means you can move and shoot at the same time

Which is why I use the 6d

[viscid marlin]

Unfortunately this game doesnt let you ads and sprint at the same time

[stone birch]

and a dodge only consumes a single stack

[kind scarab]

[viscid marlin]

i guess you could do that

[junior needle]

Pretty good, change elite damage to something else and hit/run to something else. Maniacs/flak are fine choices as are infernus/dumdum. Infernus is less practically useful than it used to be on recons (which was mediocre before) due to the crit string downgrades. Unless you can manage 100% headshot uptime in practical circumstances.

[viscid marlin]

but on a recon las if you are just spraying the entire mission you will be out of ammo by room 3 wont you?

[winter dock]

Further testing reveals the average to be closer to 25ish shots due to headshake meaning lots of em hit the shoulder

[kind scarab]

See, the real reason yours is doing more damage is cause you got dumdum on there and a couple extra stacks on the capstone

[winter dock]

I mean, yes that's relevant

[delicate moat]

this looks like a gust of wind will kill the vet lol

[lavish hamlet]

is one of my mods causing my completed penances to appear uncompleted on tha actual tab or is this for everyone?

[kind scarab]

I have infernus on mine

[viscid marlin]

not having that grenade regen hurts but i get it

[winter dock]

So business as usual :p

[winter dock]

TBH I rarely get to use my grenades. WHen I run kraks armored stuff just dies before the krak goes off or it only kills like 1 or 2 out of a massive horde. Shredders and smokes are basically next to worthless anyways, really only good to create a small safety net for rezzing or getting out of a tight spot

[trim steppe]

they switched the coloration (greyed out vs highlighted) on uncompleted vs completed during patch 13

[heavy bridge]

as a huge laspistol fan, do we need the Marksman for it? It already kills non-carapace stuff so fast, extra damage almost feels like overkill

[shrewd lagoon]

it isnt over vetbros

but it's certainly not good

[lavish hamlet]

weird, maybe I just didnt notice it til now

[viscid marlin]

Huh.. I use them to stun crusher packs all the time off of the team.

[winter dock]

Ironically left tree is way better for high fire rate guns and right tree for low fire rate

[trim steppe]

Mine looks the same as yours regardless

[kind scarab]

Ikr?

[untold mulch]

Fatshark

[winter dock]

cuz you can keep up the focus really easy for high rof, and the right tree only works for 1 shot anyways and is an excellent way to replace Surgical

[shrewd lagoon]

fart shart pls

[viscid marlin]

Yeah its a bit backwards

[quaint valve]

They should move that one node for rending over to the left

[untold mulch]

Obese Megalodon doesn't thinks

[cinder wadi]

Wait so the way that "Always prepared" works is that when I get melee kills I get stacks and then when I pull out my ranged it refreshes up to 3.3% of my missing ammo reserves?

[kind scarab]

Yes

[winter dock]

3.3% per stack

so 33% at 10

[cinder wadi]

o h

[kind scarab]

per stack

[heavy bridge]

Laspistol is sort of middle of the road in that regard

[winter dock]

it can prolly do either or and be fine

[junior needle]

THAT'S WHY. The marksman keystone gives a 20% power boost on any weakspot hit after activating ult. If you're using it then your psyk showcases with 100% headshot uptime will be boosted considerably.

[winter dock]

The big issue with Marksmans focus is that standing still is death unless your team is absolutely on point with dreg/poxxer killing

so you need to be consistently triggering it

so you can stay alive

[viscid marlin]

low mobility in any tide game is kinda just a bad idea imo

[heavy bridge]

I do appreciate that Weapon Specialists want to use Shotguns, Plasmas, and Bolters though. Since those are the loadouts you can give Weapon Specialist squads on the Tabletop

[viscid marlin]

its not that you cant make it work, it's just counterintuitive

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

[winter dock]

and slower firing weapons just kind of struggle with that to begin with- ignoring the fact that most of them get 0 benefit from having even more damage since they're already onetapping most stuff

[untold mulch]

Even aiming and shooting I am somewhat moving or dodging

[kind scarab]

Which is mostly always up regardless between waves of specials/elites and stuff spawning. So I'm just making great use of it all the time.

[lyric sundial]

I'm I reading that right. 330% crit chance lol

[viscid marlin]

its only on the first bullet

[winter dock]

only the first 3 stacks matter

[kind scarab]

You're reading it right. But it's written wrong.

[winter dock]

and its on one shot yeah

[kind scarab]

Not even

Just first stack.

For the crit effect.

[viscid marlin]

yeah its bugged

super bugged

[winter dock]

Wait so the first stack is giving guaranteed? Loooool

[viscid marlin]

and poorly written

and poorly coded

and ripped off an older game

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174079259225100318/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.14_-_22.09.36.12.mp4

Here's the proof

[viscid marlin]

^

[winter dock]

ohhh Now I understand what that clip was trying to show

I see I see

[south garnet]

all of it's recycled. dog AI is powered by pong

[winter dock]

lel

[heavy bridge]

Hopefully it stays that way.
Garuanteed crits are always nice.

• Signed, Bounty Hunter main

[winter dock]

SO

[viscid marlin]

its literally ripped off saltzpyre ability and pasted into darktide

[kind scarab]

^

[junior needle]

It's less useful in practice, especially for the general populace who are very unlikely to hit heads nearly as often. I was wondering what I missed.

[winter dock]

The Vet tree is fugged a bit.

They Did, thankfully, remove ~2 tax nodes net

[viscid marlin]

i would have much prefered the 5 seconds cause i like autoguns but fair

[cinder wadi]

I'm confused I pull my gun out with 10 stacks but I seem to get no ammo back?

[sick marsh]

I'm running a Kantrael XII and chainsword vet, anyone got a talent suggestion for me now the tree has changed a bit.

[sturdy schooner]

[winter dock]

they ADDED one at the top. For... some god forsaken reason

[sturdy schooner]

so many nerfs to some fav talents

[untold mulch]

Well at least I have hope of Hellgun as a class feature now

They can shamelessly rip Outcast Enginner ult

[sturdy schooner]

shitting and sobbing rn

[kind scarab]

Yeah nah, like I said. I can get it to work, esp with bottom left capstone since I can comfortably aim and land my shots.