veteran-class

[gusty bison]

Ammo inefficient and slower than HB, but the pen is VERY nice

[jolly jacinth]

LAS GUN BEST GUN

[gusty bison]

Different gun

I use bolter when im feeling very lazzy

[prime sail]

revolver is sweet on zealot so i have lots of blewsings

[calm shard]

yeah that's fair plasma gun is its own thing

[gusty bison]

And cant be assed to go for heads

[celest vine]

MG1A is versatile

Its why I use it

[calm shard]

I'm gonna be real though the revolver suggestion was more of a joke it sucks ass on ranged vet especially exe stance ranged vet

[gusty bison]

But its deffo not as good as a helbore going for head taps constantly. But its consistent

[drifting oak]

I need to give the 1a a fair shake

[thick rose]

lmao

[prime sail]

im actually aiming for boltgun on veteran im just so poor because clubs

[drifting oak]

but I can't roll a 4/4 perked+blessing'd one

[thick rose]

the final arena in carnival was designed by a moron

[celest vine]

Its best infantry las now

[low wadi]

if u dont use braced auto then what are u even doing

[calm shard]

It's a good thing to whip out when you need it not as your primary weapon for ranged play

[prime sail]

clubbing is expensive

[drifting oak]

it always bricks at purple

[sinful cave]

am i going insane? why did we nerf exe stance when 99% of vets use shout? what did fam do 2 deserve this

[frank ether]

no gameplay?

[gusty bison]

Tbh i dont use exec stance cos I find shout too good for keeping dummies up

[acoustic wyvern]

Clubs? Ogryn clubs?

[gusty bison]

And my builds hit BPs without it mostly

so I dont bother with it

[kind scarab]

Didn't see the message to record gameplay until it was pretty much done

[calm shard]

I don't use shout because the best way I've found to keep dummies alive is to kill everything that could threaten them

[gusty bison]

I mean you can still do it without exec

[strong pine]

PSA "ch*nk in their armour" doesn't work

[visual pendant]

You don't take shout because you kill everything, I take shout so I can have the points to hold more eggs

We are not the same

[kind scarab]

Gameplay with the lasgun is the same as always tbh. You just aim and spray. I didn't really need to pick up ammo either, but did it out of habit once or twice.

[opal root]

thats why i use shout too

[torpid hedge]

Apparently Focus Target kinda goes hard. I'm trying to get Power Sword to work but it just sucks

[gusty bison]

Like yea exec will get higher damage numbers cos

1. More DPS from you
2. Less DPS from teammates

[jolly jacinth]

yeah my build sucks now

[gusty bison]

But eh, I like the consistency

from shout

Where I can just save dumb teammates

[sinful cave]

wdym power sword sucks was it nerfed this patch or does ur power sword suck

[acoustic wyvern]

SHOUT GOT NERFED TO 50 THOOOOOO. I hate it

[gusty bison]

ngl wished it had a cd nerf than an amount nerf

[drifting oak]

why was shout even nerfed

when relic zealot exists

[keen wharf]

i gotta admit, the Arena on the last bit before extraction in Mercantile HL-70-04 is garbage, there's no place to hide and if you're a Vet you just get hit and shot from every corner.

[kind scarab]

Shout was being used as a crutch by bad players, to ignore their bad habits

[gusty bison]

It was busted

[drifting oak]

seriously

[tough snow]

i started playing again yesterday, struggle bussed through understanding the new veteran tree, started enjoying the gameplay and its changed completely when i wake up

[torpid hedge]

im using this one, so I just mean in general

[frank ether]

shout probably still way to go

[tough snow]

should i just play a different class

[kind scarab]

That's why it got nerf'd

[jolly jacinth]

my weapons kinda dipp like 45% less power than before update

[night belfry]

power sword still feels fine to me

[tender raft]

U guys using keystones ?

[strong pine]

Ok so I just did some testing "CHlNK in their armour" doesn't work with or without long range assassin, isn't applying

[acoustic wyvern]

Thanks everyone who complained it was op on a team game. No idea who you guys are vying for

[gusty bison]

It was better than relic cos you can start replenishing shout CD immediately

Thus allowing perma up time

[frank ether]

what do you fucking mean shout is still the best ability lmao

[acoustic wyvern]

And it can be a nice panic button too when a rager comes up

[gusty bison]

Its still good ye

[acoustic wyvern]

Its still good but 100 would be nice

[trim hemlock]

It’s still that, that hasn’t changed

[visual pendant]

and also it allowed you to shoot

[gusty bison]

It also still gives you full tou

[slow spade]

I winder if 50 toughness is enough to facetank bursters and snipers still

[gusty bison]

Bursters no

Snipers...

[delicate estuary]

is tehre any point to even use said keystones

[visual pendant]

and also staggered everything always, and always blocks all corruption gain while active...

[gusty bison]

depends

[slow spade]

Damn

[dense light]

look how they massacred my boy

[gusty bison]

For some guns yes

[placid portal]

zamn the carnival map is brutal

[slow spade]

I have 217 toughness

I still hold out hope

[gusty bison]

Keystones are VERY build dependent

[half wigeon]

What IS shout ?

[placid portal]

The whole area you gotta hold is wide open for gunners

[stark hollow]

is this useable or is it too bricked

[vivid ocean]

iron will let me tank it without shout

[acoustic wyvern]

Yeaa but i imagine i'd feel naked with 50 less toughness

[flat nest]

for anyone that still needs deadeye, i think they fucked up, cus the achievement popped for me without having volley fire active. just 10 stacks of focus

[frank ether]

if you have enough toughness and toughness DR

[vivid ocean]

prepatch

idk if that

[slow spade]

God bless

[gusty bison]

Deffo usable

[delicate estuary]

seeing they dont give you any replacements for toughness damage reduction

[oblique horizon]

Its a really tough last event even on normal damnation

[delicate estuary]

I dont see a point of using them atm

[vivid ocean]

changed with this patch tho

[trim hemlock]

Get Iron Will. Don’t tank ragers - they will eventually outright kill you.

[gusty bison]

Helps with a few guns

Plasma likes mid keystone

[placid portal]

Yea map is so open you gotta take a mindful position to not get gunned down

[slow spade]

I'm running all of them except Exhilarating Takedown

[gusty bison]

V7 likes left keystone

[placid portal]

XD

[half wigeon]

What is shout ?

[dense light]

Keystones look useless unless you're going for a very specific build

[acoustic wyvern]

Gotta match their energy

[slow spade]

Hopefully it'll work

[gusty bison]

Columnus and volver likes right keystone

[placid portal]

the Voice of command

[calm shard]

yeah god columnus is insane with the right keystone

[stark hollow]

what should i change

[calm shard]

also kinda cracked with left but the right one especially

[brisk sapphire]

Cant reach iron will if I wanna use weapon specialist keystone sadly

[frank ether]

I would hate it a lot less if exhilarating bug was fixed

[gusty bison]

Go into the psykanium, see what headshot breakpoints you miss on the uncharged shot

[frank ether]

thats like your one reliable choice of toughness DR aside from iron will

keyword reliable

the coherency one might aswell not exist who the fuck takes damage in full coherency

[brittle lava]

New mission spoilers: ||Yesssssss we got Nightsider in this mission for monstrosity spawns! Feels very swanky. Also I love the way it cuts to Warp Traveler after the fight, that record skip representing going from boss to horde is so tasty|||

[gusty bison]

Well theres COD

[placid portal]

33% ranged crit per stack wtf?

[gusty bison]

Close order drill is good

[placid portal]

This is some shit

[stark hollow]

so just tap the head and see what dosent die?

[forest hornet]

Hey guys, how was lasgun infinite ammo before todays patch?

[frank ether]

I dont really find myself taking hits sticking with people

[languid escarp]

is crit lasgun with right keystone good

[karmic musk]

Shouldnt this be Toughness Damage Reduction instead lmao

[placid portal]

lol

[karmic musk]

Like old Volley Fire

[placid portal]

but weaker bc 25% at max stacks vs 75% on demand

XDD

[acoustic wyvern]

I think it increases per kill

[karmic musk]

The more you kill the more you get old Volley Fire back

[gusty bison]

Yes

[untold mulch]

laspistol could get 2-3 times the mag

Helbore had unlimited ammo with Surgical

[stuck bridge]

It's bugged / bad anyway. Only applies to first shot and doesn't stack past 1

[serene bough]

waiting for update

new tree good or bad

[gusty bison]

Eh

[torpid hedge]

no bueno

[gusty bison]

No big difference to my builds

YMMV

[placid portal]

lmao so 33% is just by default and 2% is the one that actually stacks

[acoustic wyvern]

More choices good

[frank ether]

hahah they probably didnt bother testing it past revolver bar swap kills

[placid portal]

fair enough

[trim hemlock]

Wait, so that’s how it works?

[visual pendant]

Bad, I don't see the point in adding keystones when veteran was already fine

[topaz lance]

[wise elk]

Was veteran nerfed? Feels weaker now then before talents

[gusty bison]

My V7 build got better, my Columnus build lost some melee bite, my HB build didnt change

[lilac sonnet]

i thought the melee stacks were bugged but not the ranged

[gusty bison]

My bolter build lost some melee bite

[whole moon]

thoughts?

[torpid hedge]

Because it was nerfed

[jolly jacinth]

the music still slaps

[trim hemlock]

It gives your first shot 33% CRate, and the rest of stacks is just RoF?

[acoustic wyvern]

I think its cause other classes got keystones no?

[midnight patrol]

Yeah Ex Stance is not cutting it on Damnation

[visual pendant]

The problems people had weren't that vet didn't have keystones; it was that vet had long lanes of passives that blocked you in

[brittle lava]

I'm so glad the new tracks are in, and the implementation is really fun

[midnight patrol]

Too many gunenrs now

[visual pendant]

And their solution was to make it longer

[untold mulch]

left side is trash apart from scavenger imo

gg, no sharpshooter in my vet

[wispy oyster]

trench fighter drill lost 5% speed too

[frank ether]

P13 vet tree was it

[stark hollow]

everything but dreg shotgunner. redone my skill tree yet tho

[frank ether]

you will never have it better

[gusty bison]

Uh

[visual pendant]

They could remove the horizontal sections after grenade, aura, and ability and the trees would probably be much better without actually changing anything

[wispy oyster]

a lot of undocumented nerfs to talents to make room for the keystones

[gusty bison]

dreg shotgunner or dreg GUNNER

[untold mulch]

Everything is a downward spiral looks like

[stark hollow]

i mean i cant onehsot anything but dreg shotgunenr

[untold mulch]

Fatshark LOVES undocumented nerfs

[placid portal]

fml XD

[acoustic wyvern]

Wheres my shotgum buffs fs

[brittle lava]

Left side has good stuff imo! Range damage, Longshot (granted you can grab that easily but still), Weak Spot damage and Suppression Immunity are godsends for breakpoints/shooting if you're not using Exe Stance

[gusty bison]

They... already happened

[serene bough]

hey guys

[gusty bison]

P14 had massive SG buffs

[serene bough]

at least fire team is 5% instead of 3%

huge buff!

[acoustic wyvern]

Like moreee buffs

[wispy oyster]

pretty annoying that they feel the need to not document such large changes because it would kill hype. Confirmed kill was almost cut in half for it's total toughness regen.

[placid portal]

So new reload speed on special ammo loading is nice

[untold mulch]

Eh, I don't deny one or two things

but overall? Yeah it ain't cutting it imo

[gusty bison]

Shotgun special shells now benefit from reload speed buffs

[brittle lava]

Fair beans! God knows I use a lot of middle

[acoustic wyvern]

Oh whaaat

[visual pendant]

Yeah and it's still very good

[gusty bison]

Mhm

[untold mulch]

Melee vet felt so much better

Sooo, I just make a zealot I suppose?

[wispy oyster]

Not the point

[visual pendant]

And now available to everybody

[acoustic wyvern]

Any other i missed?

[gusty bison]

Nah

[midnight patrol]

Yeah I'm trying so hard to make sniper Vet work, But no its.. Not cutting it

[gusty bison]

Just that

[calm shard]

I'm fascinated by the incredibly massive finesse boost

[gusty bison]

But tahts a big one

[acoustic wyvern]

Fu k

Yea big one but i wished theres more ngl

[calm shard]

veteran already crits constantly so that huge finesse boost gives a lot of damage output to faster firing weapons

[untold mulch]

Imo, don't bother. Fatshark looks like they clearly don't understand the shooting part

[torpid hedge]

btw what are you running for Focus Target

[acoustic wyvern]

Like reloading 2 shells at once

[drifting oak]

any vet can be a sniper vet if you embrace the high ground of box

[torpid hedge]

[brittle lava]

It's great for any precision guns ye! Tbh it's strong enough it's still great for less accurate stuff like braced autos I imagine

[gusty bison]

Try the Vraks 7

V7 is the big winner on the left side

Other guns... not so much

[acoustic wyvern]

Vraks is THE sniper in darktide imo

[calm shard]

V7 and Columnus V are probably best weapons for left tree

VID recon is also v good there too

[ivory aurora]

Just needs a x3 scope

[willow badger]

Agri slug erasure

[midnight patrol]

You dont understandm I cannot snipe when there is 20 poxwalker sinfront of me and beside me and 4 scab and dreg gunners laying in on us

[brittle lava]

Oh, in this instance I was just using the node for toughness on killing the focused target. Not like, incredible for yourself, but it can pump out pretty impressive toughness amounts for your team

[drifting oak]

modssssssssssssssssss baby

[gusty bison]

Trust me you dont want a scope

[drifting oak]

find a box or a railing

stand on it

problem solved.

[brittle lava]

@torpid hedge Just in case

[gusty bison]

Try the helbore then >:)

[ivory aurora]

Why not ?

[karmic musk]

My Helbore/Plasma actually became semi-Commissar build since I take Tag on those lmao

[gusty bison]

Scope = less visual FoV

= more likely to get your shit kicked in

[torpid hedge]

Oh, thats neat

[willow badger]

Is shout still worth!

[untold mulch]

Shut Up

They will nerf again

[ivory aurora]

True.

[haughty wagon]

i tried using a scope on helbore3 but the removal of my peripheral vision felt awful

[gusty bison]

yes

[willow badger]

Or go executioner stance

[gusty bison]

Plus the most ur shooting at 99% of the time is under 40m

[acoustic wyvern]

Embrace chaos. Get tunnel vision

[slow spade]

Shout still helps but you won't facetank everything anymore

[drifting oak]

mod for canted sights when

[midnight patrol]

Maybe I'm not ready for this new damnation yet

[rugged portal]

I want less scope and more reflex sights really.

[acoustic wyvern]

Wh40k is backwards

We're heading to the stone age

[gusty bison]

Oh yea did they also like

change damnation?

Im getting non stop fucking waves now

[midnight patrol]

Its a lot hard then I recall

[neon briar]

yeah they made it harder

[acoustic wyvern]

I think they mentioned they adjusted auric maelstrom waves

[neon briar]

something about the ai director

[midnight patrol]

Last time I could make Exstance work

[gusty bison]

I feel like im getting bugged waves sometimes

[acoustic wyvern]

Yeaa that

[gusty bison]

where the waves DO NOT STOP

[midnight patrol]

But not with this

[gusty bison]

FOR THE ENTIRE MAP

[vivid ocean]

they adjusted the director period, with the largest changes in maelstrom

but it affects all difficulties

[acoustic wyvern]

I cant wait to try it

[brittle lava]

If you meant the whole build, this is the beans I was running 😌 I think it struggles for toughness so I might consider making some changes to get Confirmed Kill. Also I know most people would go for Krak nades instead but, I was very starved for points lol

[ivory aurora]

I wonder what the long las will have when it comes out

[gusty bison]

i can no longer brain off and chill on bolter.

I actually need to use half a brain now lol

[untold mulch]

They broke the director again

[stuck bridge]

Try it with the Headhunter iron sights, they zoom more

[vivid ocean]

also why is born leader in that spot

its so ass

[acoustic wyvern]

But also are you complaining about more heretics to kill? This......is questionable

[gusty bison]

Wop

[inner imp]

marksman focus feels... not bad

i just feel like fuckin paper

[gusty bison]

Damn. Time to show myself to the purification room

[untold mulch]

Needs too much juggling to use in nromal game imo

[gusty bison]

sound of lasguns firing

[inner imp]

nah bro

u get 1 headshot

[torpid hedge]

[inner imp]

3 seconds of free movement

[acoustic wyvern]

Dont forget your whip

[brittle lava]

Marksman's Focus is def something that seems super cool, but would have me tearing my hair out trying to make work in most games haha

[inner imp]

if u just play as normal

[untold mulch]

I noticed myself becoming a turret

[inner imp]

melee when u need too and whip out dat gun

its ight

[sturdy crow]

Yeah I'm totally in love with the tagging build

[untold mulch]

stay still, you die

[willow badger]

Are you guys mostly going weapon specialist then

[sturdy crow]

The damage buff just keeps rolling????

[calm shard]

it's not that bad, stack decay is slow and pauses when you get headshots

[brittle lava]

The tagging has been nice for reaching breakpoints yeah

[untold mulch]

Melee vet was the winner, once again

[karmic musk]

Im going Tag and WSpec

[inner imp]

exactly

[gusty bison]

I feel like how to fix MM focus is this:

Stacks dont decay when your melee is out

[acoustic wyvern]

I havent tried it yet but i wanna see how the left tree works

[willow badger]

Ok tag maybe worth a shot?

[stark hollow]

anyone got a big weiner revolver shouty vet build

[stuck bridge]

Weapon speco revolver is neat too many fucking points though

[brittle lava]

Oh that's nice! I was worried Marksman stacks would all fall off at once like Psyker's Destiny keystone, since they both feel like optimizer/perfectionist style talents

[grim dawn]

is it good ?

[gusty bison]

Its fine

[karmic musk]

They should just make it so you don't lose stacks while ADS

[ivory aurora]

I would want more thermal resistance but it’s good

[serene bough]

damn

they really put demo team far down the tree

[gusty sonnet]

The real W for ranged vets is not being forced to dodge bugged exhiliarating takedown

[gusty bison]

Nah this would barely change much

[karmic musk]

its fking called Marksman Focus

[rugged portal]

I feel like, if they made it so you only lost stacks when sprinting, Makrsmans focus would still be fine.

[karmic musk]

IM FOCUSING

[gusty bison]

Atm you dont lose stacks when ADSed most of the time anyway

[stark hollow]

damn hadron partially bricked ur gun too huh

[gusty bison]

The issue is when you are reloading/meleeing

thats when you lose your stacks

[grim dawn]

?

[vivid ocean]

have they fixed reciprocity

[barren hamlet]

new keystones dont seem great tbh

[acoustic wyvern]

Its like....our focus shifted

[vivid ocean]

or is it still on attack dodge and not on dodge

if its on attack dodge its still shit

[untold mulch]

I swear why tf the regen a stack while still and crouch walking????

[acoustic wyvern]

[untold mulch]

WHO TF IS CRAB WALKING IN DARKTIDE?

[delicate estuary]

no idea

[stark hollow]

perks could be better and could use gets hot

[acoustic wyvern]

Vets of course

[delicate estuary]

definetely not me

I am just ignoring keystones

[kind scarab]

Literally crab

[untold mulch]

Imma dropping the game until part 2

[kind scarab]

[karmic musk]

Before any encounter, crouch walk to it

[gusty bison]

TinyAngryCrab

[untold mulch]

Crab added it, goddammit

[brittle lava]

Dude I know if I see a veteran crab walking anytime soon im gonna burst out laughing

[barren hamlet]

marksmans seems like a noob trap

[gusty bison]

Oh also

[acoustic wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/king-crab-battletech-king-crab-battletech-mechwarrior-mechwarrior-king-crab-gif-9061798129423776655

[kind scarab]

Marksman worked fine for me

[untold mulch]

also jsut me or shocktrooper was nerfed again?

[gusty bison]

Dodging while crouched doesnt consume MM stacks

[potent iris]

marksmans is fine but most people are gonna use it wrong lol

[serene bough]

marksman still has precision strikes and shocktrooper

[kind scarab]

The match went perfectly fine

[untold mulch]

Shocktrooper in my laspistol felt worse

[serene bough]

that's worth investing into

[kind scarab]

You just gotta know what youre doing with marksman

[tight blaze]

Is the pinned message for the lasgun summary still relevant? If not what is the most "comfortable" gun I should get first when lv30?

[gusty bison]

Actually yea your dodges are the same distance

[midnight patrol]

Yeaaah okay I'm switching over to VoC proper.

[jolly jacinth]

agreeedd

[gusty bison]

when crouched

[acoustic wyvern]

Huh

[untold mulch]

So another stealth nerf

simply fantastic

[visual pendant]

starved for points as a consequence of fatshark still keeping the horizontal pathing lines; zealot is the only class that has those but zealot also has like 2/3 the total nodes as vets. Our tree should really look more like ogryn/psyker

[acoustic wyvern]

You can dodge when crouched?

[gusty bison]

Yes

same distance

[stuck bridge]

Problem with marksman is its like 90% overkill damage, I feel like they gutted the headshot capstone just to make it relevant at all lol

[acoustic wyvern]

600hours in and i didnt know this

Lool

[gusty bison]

Being crouched also helps a lot with stability on some guns

like IAGs

[kind scarab]

Agreed

[untold mulch]

a few talents were gutted to bring up Keystones, its so silly

[slow spade]

Its usually not worth it so no one talked about it

[acoustic wyvern]

I know it helps with bolter recoil but i never felt it on other guns ngl

[timid otter]

Should have just removed them

Veteran tree was already way too big

[acoustic wyvern]

Bolter dropped off hard after p13

[timid otter]

It takes like 21 or 22 points to reach the end

[fleet garden]

so is vet is s tier now or still shit tier?

[gusty bison]

Well yea

pinning fire

[gusty bison]

Its fine

[timid otter]

Most classes its 18 to 19

[gusty bison]

Like

fine

[karmic musk]

Is Laspistol a Marksman Focus build now?

[gusty bison]

if you can hit heads

sure

if you cant

go right instead

[karmic musk]

Arent you suppose to hit heads with it anyways

[zinc nest]

laspistol rewards headshots massively, so yes

[untold mulch]

with correct points is good

But there is so much shit in the way

[brittle lava]

The tagging capstone also works with really any gun

[gusty bison]

Theres a crit fish build but ye

[fleet garden]

meh

so still horrible

[slow spade]

It seems to work with melee too

[frank ether]

I just stopped at precision strikes

[forest wadi]

Can I complete the long bomb penance with a krak grenade? or is it only really achievable with the left side bomb?

[slow spade]

Classic Vet moment

[barren hamlet]

using marksmans has you giving up some key talents in the mid tree "bring it down" and the free 10% rend have to be given up to take it

[smoky lark]

oh man this is a whole lot of nerfs to how I was playing vet :/

[acoustic wyvern]

You got more chances to clear it with a shredder nade

[fleet garden]

remove shitty talents or move capstones up

[languid escarp]

I dont think Ogryn is smart enough to have complexes

[brittle lava]

I would but lacking Suppression Immunity on revolver makes me actually feel possessed by a daemon irl lol

Trying to return fire at Gunners

[acoustic wyvern]

Krak has stupid small range of explosion when it doesnt stick

[thorny blade]

The lasgun mk12 is still a really solid gun and if you're just trying to get the general feeling of Vet it's not a bad one to start with. There are some more specialist guns on either side of it that you should try if you prefer a more close range build (columnus) or a more powerful ranged option (helbore). Plasma was really quite busted last patch, but I haven't read the notes to see if that's changed

[frank ether]

shoot fast

[acoustic wyvern]

And its not supposed to for the penance

[frank ether]

I quickscope with revolvos

[gusty bison]

Example of a gun that improves massively when crouched

[delicate moat]

dude theres sooo many shooters on this map

[frank ether]

but then again

[delicate moat]

i ran out of plasma ammo

[frank ether]

I also dont run revolvo with that build

I made it for heavy las

[acoustic wyvern]

Oh hell thats sweet

[frank ether]

for revolvo I'm planning weapon specialist

[slow spade]

Normally I'd say run up to melee shooters

[frank ether]

since that seems to be the developer intent

[acoustic wyvern]

I should look more into that

[slow spade]

But now with that toughness nerf on VoC...

[frank ether]

everything about weapon specialist suggests its made for revolver melee veteran

[slow spade]

Pain

[brittle lava]

Fair beans! I really like this build on revolver for easy breakpoints, but it can def work on a rightside tree build very well

[oblique horizon]

I feel like the upped the amount of enemies

[barren hamlet]

the gun that marksmans seems to be made for are the inf autoguns mostly the mk 5

[serene bough]

was kind of expecting that tbh

[lilac sonnet]

hellbore lasgun 3 is atleast oneshotting a reaper with 10 stacks of ranged focus 😄 but i dont see it happen all to often to get 10 stacks in a real situation.

[delicate moat]

the new map is a fking marathon

[serene bough]

VoC was so busted last patch

[fleet garden]

so the sentiment is that vet is "good" now but thats it?

[slow spade]

I was expecting a cd nerf

[ivory aurora]

Yeah I had problems closing the distance as melee vet. Used my pistol a lot

[forest scaffold]

explain

[tight blaze]

Damnnn okay thank you

[forest scaffold]

is this +50% coherency range

or what

[acoustic wyvern]

Vet has always been good

[brittle lava]

Yup!

[smoky lark]

this is basically the only effect of the Veteran patch for me

[slow spade]

Its mostly that you could get near 100% uptime on it

[brittle lava]

Your radius is bigger

[serene bough]

coherency]

[smoky lark]

everything else is useless

[acoustic wyvern]

If you suck at it its not your playstyle

[brittle lava]

Which also means teammates have an easier time getting in

[fleet garden]

vet has been average compared to the rest

[kind scarab]

Yes

[karmic musk]

Is Focused Fire +3 stacks worth it

[brittle lava]

I really like Charismatic

It's solid even if you're not running a build that pumps out aura stuff

[slow spade]

Voice of Command + Survivalist is average to you?

Bruh

[tender raft]

Did they nerf the shotgun ?

[half wigeon]

What should i go for talent tree for Colomnus ?

[acoustic wyvern]

We got the powerrr swoooord

[delicate moat]

i might have to play voidstrike for infinite ammo lmfao

[fleet garden]

not my playstyle so ye average to me, cleared auric whilst playing either left side or infiltrate

[slow spade]

Purposely not using the strongest stuff

Yeah of course its going to feel weaker

[acoustic wyvern]

Im gonna label you negative and everything you say will be your namesake

[slow spade]

Because Fatshark apparently hates sharpshooter builds

[fleet garden]

^

[inner imp]

kinda wish instead of toughness replenishment per stack it was crit chance or something

for the marksman focus

[fleet garden]

well if your playstyle feels bad then it feels bad right?

[slow spade]

Toughness resist would have been better

[haughty marlin]

I run skirmisher anyways on plasma, who's gonna stand around to get stacks

[inner imp]

or stamina regen per kill

idk

[untold mulch]

Shooting in my horde game? Nah -

[opal root]

there's never been much of point to a sharpshooter build tbh, it's always just been overkill damage

[fossil fable]

I mean besides the toughness decrease, it seems like you can still throw out VoC constantly unless i missed something

[earnest halo]

hows the new update

?

[slow spade]

1-shotting gunners and ragers

[forest scaffold]

hmm

[acoustic wyvern]

The satisfaction of popping heads

[slow spade]

Very comfy

[forest scaffold]

no keystones for me I guess.

[brittle lava]

Huh, I quite like leftside Vet tbh

[inner imp]

SS just feels like shit to play

[brittle lava]

It depends on your weapons I guess!

[inner imp]

ever since class rework VoC feels te best

[slow spade]

Yeah which means VoC is still cracked

[gusty bison]

Also even without crouching you can move a surprising amount without dropping stacks. The main problem is switching to melee will cause stacks to drop.

[slow spade]

You just can't facetank entire hordes now

[acoustic wyvern]

Stop

[gusty bison]

Pay attention to my stack count. (Its the purple icon with the number 15)

[haughty marlin]

How bad is krak vs bosses now?

[frank hamlet]

What are the actual names for the subclasses for vet, I know the far left is sharpshooter

[brittle lava]

It was still stunlocking and chunking on the new map, I wasn't aware it got nerfed actually

[slow spade]

Oh right there was an explosive damage nerf to bosses

[jolly jacinth]

krak still good

[brittle lava]

But ye, still seemed effective

[acoustic wyvern]

More power with right movement then?

[slow spade]

Explosion damage nerf is probably gonig to affect Rumbler Ogryns more

[half wigeon]

@brittle lava do you know what side of the tree i should focus to play around Colomnus 5 ?

[forest scaffold]

It did

it did something like halved its boss damage

[acoustic wyvern]

I wanna go home and test them builds

[slow spade]

Pain

[forest scaffold]

Rumbler has no spot anymore

[haughty marlin]

Ogryn booms got the big nerf this patch

[forest scaffold]

Bad ammo, bad damage, staggers everything, can't kill elites anymore

[vernal sundial]

We’ll just have to run two ogryns then

[forest scaffold]

Its just. . . really bad

[slow spade]

I literally only used Rumbler for bosses and ogryns 😔

[willow badger]

Did plasma get nerfed

[acoustic wyvern]

Wait

[slow spade]

I guess a kickback now

Idk

[vernal sundial]

Krak still staggers bosses even with the nerfs?

[haughty marlin]

No

[acoustic wyvern]

RUMBLER GOT NERFED?

[willow badger]

Yay

[inland orchid]

Stagger cycling feels mad nice with kraks

[slow spade]

Only a damage nerf

[forest scaffold]

Indirectly

[slow spade]

Only against bosses primarily

[forest scaffold]

Fatshark lowered explosive damage on bosses

[acoustic wyvern]

FFFFFFF c'mon man its my fav weapon on ogryns

Oh

[vernal sundial]

Ok good

[forest scaffold]

Which really hurt the like, best part of Rumbler

[acoustic wyvern]

Only on bosse

?

[forest scaffold]

Yeah

But considering that's like

[slow spade]

Rumbler is one of the best boss dps weapons for ofryn

[brittle lava]

Hmm, well picking up left-side damage bumps def wouldn't hurt (although starting on one of the other sides wouldnt hurt since it wouldnt benefit so much from Longshot). Imo you could either start middle and veer left at Survivalist, or just stick to middle. Or of course go rightside if you have a good melee weapon to help round the build out

[forest scaffold]

the best part of rumbler

Blegh

[slow spade]

Which was like its only real role

[acoustic wyvern]

Ok....thats fine.
..it was super fun but its fine

[polar kraken]

dayum

[willow badger]

Mgiv Lowkey kinda fun as well

[stone folio]

so you lose focus when you move.... why? this whole game is non stop running away from ppl attacking you

[acoustic wyvern]

Gunlugger with rumbler was the best thing to happen to ogryn for me

[gusty bison]

Yes

[polar kraken]

the only good keystone is weapon spec

[untold mulch]

Turret gameplay or headshot aimbotter

[polar kraken]

imo

[haughty marlin]

Still gonna try facetanking monstrosities in my krak/plasma/psword vet

[forest scaffold]

not really sure what else to do here

[smoky lark]

so to get the ammo talent you still have to choose between two talents that are situationally completely useless to most builds

[polar kraken]

melee vet just gotten so much stronger

[smoky lark]

great

[forest scaffold]

until exhilirating takedown gets patched, there's no reason to run it

[untold mulch]

Melee vet was silly

[serene bough]

oh wow

[untold mulch]

I did a run and bruh

[serene bough]

they really nerfed that one

[polar kraken]

plasma+power sword 6

[smoky lark]

melee vet getting super powerful is so dumb.

[forest scaffold]

You wanna know something funny

Exhil Takedown is +30% damage taken

Its +10% per stack

[fleet garden]

fuck melee vet tbh, id play zealot if I want my 100% melee simulator

[forest scaffold]

Instead of -10%

[polar kraken]

no the thing is

[smoky lark]

THEY STILL HAVENT FIXED THAT???

[plain gust]

Holy shit, I just tested weapon sepciaslist keystone, with all the attack speed you get you can make 7 empowered power sword attacks if you have power cycler 2, its crazy

[untold mulch]

I really feel like Fatshark doesn't understand shooty gameplay

[forest scaffold]

nope

[polar kraken]

melee vet have access to plasma

[delicate moat]

the director has no chill this patch

[visual pendant]

they confirmed it's getting fixed in next patch at least

[polar kraken]

which mean ur both strong at melee and range

[haughty marlin]

Stick krak, hit F, magdump plasma into weakspot, krak again, psword until boss ded

[polar kraken]

it's so good

[untold mulch]

adding a - is too hard

[stone folio]

i still think "standing still" feats shouldnt be in the game, it reinforces shitty habits/mistakes

[slow spade]

Imagine fixing notable bugs lol

[pearl granite]

what's a weakspot? I guess it's head of most humanoid enemy/monster, and the big yellow spot on the back of the slug?

[untold mulch]

100%

[forest scaffold]

me last match on new map in lights out as ogryn

[sturdy crow]

Yes

[serene bough]

working as intended

[slow spade]

We NEED Camo Expert back UwU

[untold mulch]

Marksman at least would be tolerable with that

[acoustic wyvern]

It came back as a perk for infiltrate which sucks

[slow spade]

Lol ikr

[slow spade]

True honestly

[gusty bison]

I agree that the standing still clause on marksman keystone is... eh.

But even if you completely ignore you can preserve stacks by standing still, its still solid for some guns

[pearl granite]

thx

[untold mulch]

Melee Vet was big damage constnatly

But I ain't playing VETERAN to go melee build

[gusty bison]

Because those guns cough Vraks 7, require you to hit heads anyway

[forest scaffold]

I'll just drop this here

[slow spade]

Ironic that one of the best melee classes is the ranged boi

Power sword needs a buff

[untold mulch]

Ridiculous tbh

[fleet garden]

same, I aint playing vet to play melee all the time

[forest scaffold]

this is untrue

[untold mulch]

Homie with the x3?

[forest scaffold]

Ogryn AND Zealot completely outclass Veteran

in every single way

No matter how you slice the pie

Its not even a contest

Veteran is at the bottom of the Grand Canyon

[smoky lark]

you have to do this to get bring it down and superiority complex btw:

THANKS FATSHARK

[quaint valve]

somehow our reject can afford to pimp out guns 🙂

[slow spade]

Sorry I'll take my Agile Engagement + Trench Fighter Power Sword and clap people

[forest scaffold]

Zealot and Ogryn are at the top of the Burj Khalifa

[vivid ocean]

did they revert the shock trooper nerf?

[forest scaffold]

use a mk4 cleaver

[untold mulch]

I think they Nerfed it MORE

[vivid ocean]

damn

[forest scaffold]

or mk3b club

[untold mulch]

My laspistol is getting shit ammo

[hybrid token]

always having a bullet in my revolver when i switch from melee ? hmmmmmmmmmmm

[acoustic wyvern]

I mean, heavy stubber ogryn shoots pretty well too imo

[forest scaffold]

Achlys got fat buffs

[gusty bison]

Yea revolver loves that

[forest scaffold]

Super accurate now

[gusty bison]

Like

Holy shit

[forest scaffold]

We love options

[slow spade]

Instant reload perk is now 3.3% there 💪

[vivid ocean]

so

i take it the keystones are good now?

[gusty bison]

Build dependent

[ruby fulcrum]

no lol

[untold mulch]

The cowboy fanboy at Fatshark is increasing his power

[slow spade]

I mean depends?

[forest scaffold]

1

[slow spade]

But you can just ignore them

[forest scaffold]

it gets 1 bullet back

[gusty bison]

Some builds do not take any keystone

[trim hemlock]

Maybe. Keystoneless builds might sometimes be more desirable, still

[thick rose]

what do I want on a revolver blessingwise?

[gusty bison]

Some take one

[vivid ocean]

ye, most of my builds are still using no keystones

[gusty bison]

Surgical Handcannon

[forest scaffold]

3.3% of 5 is 0.165

rounded up is 1

not 2

[vivid ocean]

but i do kinda like focus

[forest scaffold]

Revolver gets 1 shot back

[visual pendant]

Just going from start to allocating a keystone, straight down with no deviation: Vet has 9 points left over, Zealot has 12, Ogryn has 12, Psyker has 14.
This is the actual problem with the vet tree, why are there so many nodes and why does it take so much longer to get to get to the first node in the keystone area than any other class.

[slow spade]

I want to try the ping keystone to see if allied pings count

[urban steppe]

is here any veteran who use new keystones in a build ? all my build are without them and they were still good 😆

[smoky lark]

And you have to take Born Leader, which doesnt even do anything at all, to get the cooldown reduction for your F ability

[gusty bison]

Plasma likes the middle keystone. Revolver likes the right. Vraks 7 likes the left

[torpid hedge]

nice

[slow spade]

But nothing else seems interesting

[gusty bison]

Bolter and Helbore like none

[vivid ocean]

born leader needs to go

honestly

[placid portal]

Yoo darktide in 2014

[vivid ocean]

or allow it to overflow allies

[celest vine]

Its 4%

[smoky lark]

I am just so fucking sad at this talent update

[gusty bison]

This one actually is nice for plasma

[acoustic wyvern]

Cause our class works well in melee and range and support and nades?

[slow spade]

Sorry I can't read, 4% there 💪

[acoustic wyvern]

Its just me

[celest vine]

Fatshark thought 3.3% “rounded up” sounded better

[fleet garden]

this is bs, balance this shit fatshart

[torpid hedge]

Also I discovered 1000 IQ tech. If you bind mark to left click you'll always have the damage buff

[placid portal]

lmao

[gusty bison]

[placid portal]

but you cancel mark if you mark enemy again

[slow spade]

Yeah I mostly want to experiment with keystones to see if there's any Fatshark specials(bugs)

[forest scaffold]

You should be playing vet to do both

[slow spade]

Seems there are lol

[acoustic wyvern]

I will stab you with a shovel

[slow spade]

As intended UwU

[acoustic wyvern]

[smoky lark]

They buffed Fire Team from 3% damage to 5% damage btw. Raise your hand if you'll ever switch away from Survivalist

[forest scaffold]

[acoustic wyvern]

THIS IS GOOOOD

[gusty bison]

Imagine not taking survivalist

[fleet garden]

I like both but I am not playing vet to play pure melee. I want vet to be THE ranged class or a mix whilst the others focus on something else, like pure melee.

[worthy pelican]

imma switch from suvivalist if som1 ask me to run it

[kind scarab]

Tell that to all the point starved people

[untold mulch]

So OP

[gusty bison]

Fire Team can be +30% damage and I still wont take it lol

[kind scarab]

I'd take it, tbh

[untold mulch]

Okay lets not go that far

[gusty bison]

I am going that far cos the ammo economy is nuts

[acoustic wyvern]

I would take that tho

[visual pendant]

Unironically, the 5% aura would actually give me like... 2 enemy breakpoints for the laspistol

[gusty bison]

Not having it just cripples your ammo eco so much you are shooting at most half as much

[smoky lark]

only reason to get down the left tree has been cut from 50 to 20%, and it was still a very risky pick

[celest vine]

More ammo than youbsoend

[visual pendant]

But I ain't throwing away survivalist and giving my team free rein on ammo for that

[smoky lark]

that most people didnt pick

[visual pendant]

When I could just shoto twice

[fresh lake]

the damage buffs from the left keystone is kinda nuts

[untold mulch]

I love how they nerfed something no one picked

[forest maple]

yea, who the fuck would take marksman now

[kind scarab]

Lets be real, the thing that benefitted the most from this rework is melee builds. Y'all get more attack speed and more damage nodes

[slow spade]

But my Helbore 3 + shock trooper had 1-2 ammo pickups per game

Too ammo starved for me

[bright charm]

no point in marsman lamo, more like vet stealth nerf.

[fresh lake]

i know people were saying that the left keystones would keep you staying still, but i honestly never felt the stacks goign away

[untold mulch]

Get Fatsharked

[smoky lark]

You know whats gonna happen now? Veteran will rival zealot in melee power, and zealot will get buffed

[visual pendant]

Well they nerfed it because you have to take it to get to the kystone lmao

[smoky lark]

i dont want to play Zealot I want to play gun

[untold mulch]

Sooo

[kind scarab]

It already had 100% crit if you just ran surgical + Deadshot

[untold mulch]

Rogue Trader was 7th right?

[placid portal]

Rip Can't get superiority and bring it down together

XP

[acoustic wyvern]

I think the point is to keep fire and move. Shoot gain stacks but then you have to keep moving and then stop again

[covert badger]

this tree is really bad aesthetically

[midnight patrol]

Oookay thats it. Time to gunker

[acoustic wyvern]

Fire movement is a thing in the army

[fresh lake]

nah man, that was never the case. Played auric with it and was always above 10 stakcs palying normally

just clicked heads

[gusty bison]

Only goes away when you have to melee

Is what Id say

[acoustic wyvern]

Shieet thats nice

[kind scarab]

If I'm ADSing with the revolver, the enemies are too far to be hipfired and they're still dead before they get close enough

ADS was never a hinderance

[acoustic wyvern]

Ok i thinkni missed that

[quaint valve]

man losing easy access to superiority complex and bring it down kinda suck

[forest scaffold]

Now this is a dmr

[visual pendant]

Trees should've just been laid out like the damn BL3 trees, just have your grenade, aura, and ability chosen on the side indepedent of which path you take.

[gusty bison]

No no what I mean is. Ok so Exec stance is 4s.

Can you hit two head tap kills during exec stance?

If so then you can just be perma moving with your gun out and you will never lose stacks

[kind scarab]

Get that pringles can off that gun

[half wigeon]

Yeah in my build i goes full mid and little bit of right but now with thé New Keystone idk what to take

[forest scaffold]

no

[kind scarab]

Rashuns belong in your pocket, not on your gun

[forest scaffold]

this is peak performance whether you like it or not

[smoky lark]

btw anyone knows which mods this piece of shit patch is fucking with that makes us crash on boot?

[rugged portal]

They should really combine some shit. Like, you could have 2 ability modifiers for Infiltrate that combines what they do and it would not make it too powerful at all. Same with Executioner stance. Hell, make Bring it Down and Superiority Complex 1 ability.

[visual pendant]

I'm gonna hurl

[thorn lark]

Just don't shoot the horde. Almost every auric mael I do is without survivalist. It is just brought for no ammo pick up condition

[acoustic wyvern]

OH i ok i get it now.

[forest scaffold]

https://streamable.com/5wz83j

[gusty bison]

Correction. Not having it cripples your team's ammo eco

[visual pendant]

Oh god not the flashing too

[kind scarab]

I'm not crashing with creature spawner

[dapper vessel]

DO NOT bind your tag to the M1 please

[median moss]

Is this a good roll?

[gusty bison]

If you are running HB + ST then well

[acoustic wyvern]

Hard to visualize when you're stuck at work amd not PLAYING fffck

[visual pendant]

Yeah yeah yeah, bind it to M2 instead

[gusty bison]

Obvs you wont have ammo issues

[smoky lark]

no

[kind scarab]

All of these seem to be safe mods rn

[forest scaffold]

outside of infested, its fine

[brisk umbra]

64% stopping power is trash

really

[forest scaffold]

negative

it is not trash

its just "okay"

[thin kernel]

Hopium still high, reveal part 2

[forest scaffold]

not bad, not great.

[gusty bison]

The decay is quite slow as well. So you only need one headshot kill every 6 seconds on a vraks 7 to maintain max stacks

[forest scaffold]

Sub-optimal but not trash

[gusty bison]

Which. 1 HS kill every 6s is... not a lot. As long as your gun is out

[visual pendant]

vet tree rework 3, they planned it all out

[median moss]

I ask 'cause it's not a gun I've used so I've nowt better.

[dapper agate]

Mmmm, rolled up an inf V for sneaky boi build.

[fleet garden]

kekw

[untold mulch]

Kek

[thorn lark]

I run revolver on zealot, vet and psyk. And we play with zealot + ogryn team mostly. We just melee and shoot elites and specials.

Just be frugal.

[acoustic wyvern]

You'll be aiming for heads when everything is spread out too so yea thats good

[kind scarab]

Vet tree doesn't need a rework, but definitely needs more of the nodes consolidated into single nodes

[last lion]

So with this tree now..what am i supposed to run if i want to pew pew? full left?

[gusty bison]

Volver definitely can run tight on longer missions.

[acoustic wyvern]

Actually you should always aim for heads

Cept maulers

Also if you have helbore

[gusty bison]

Also regular shooters exist

[visual pendant]

The emperor wouldn't be frugal, why should you

[acoustic wyvern]

[smoky lark]

watch any good player vet, they have all settled on the Melee vet builds. But I dont want to hit people with my shovel, I want to shoot pew pew all the time but apparently 40k cant have that

[brittle lagoon]

the imperium constantly send trillions to fight and die almost hourly, what's frugal

[visual pendant]

Movespeed aura is insane

[smoky lark]

so they buff melee vet more and nerf ranged

[thorn lark]

You won't ever see me with that. I just can't play with it

[acoustic wyvern]

You're looking at the wrong players

[smoky lark]

we lost a 5% ranged damage node btw

[dapper vessel]

movement speed!!

[worthy pelican]

dunnop if redirect fire is bugged but it refreshes its durotion if you kill a new pinged target

[kind scarab]

Disagree, you can still ranged builds with no issue.

[inner imp]

so with the new left side keystone

[kind scarab]

Those are the first things I sorted when patch went live.

[inner imp]

is recon the king again this patch

[kind scarab]

Recon lasgun doing much better than last patch.

[worthy pelican]

so perma max stack damage aura if you play well

[gusty bison]

Azreal runs solo/duo so like, his builds arent really applicable

Cos obviously you take melee talents when running solo

[thorn lark]

Having a low count does help you a lot to be frugal tbh.

[thin kernel]

If you're settling on a melee build why are you playing vet?

[dreamy lantern]

na ranged keystone is insanely good

[dapper vessel]

melee vet is viable

[delicate moat]

because melee is good

[calm shard]

because melee vet ignores armor, has the highest crit chance of any class, and also the highest melee damage boosts of any class?

[gusty bison]

Viable is an understatement

[dapper vessel]

I have a build for it

[acoustic wyvern]

I think all builds so far are viable

[thorn lark]

Also, dive as a zealot and or suppress them. Or go invisible and shank them.

[visual pendant]

Yeah but 4 zealots can speedrun auric mael in like 10 minutes

[thin kernel]

I don't know what this means, here's a crusher

[dapper agate]

Melee Vet seems much more powerful then before.

[smoky lark]

Watch telopots's stream on youtube. He plays with actual QC devs. They can play auric maelstrom with only two people no problem. Spends entire time hitting with shovel, sometimes fires a couple shots.

[dapper vessel]

I can consistently 2 shot Crushers

[last lion]

Should i just pick the entire left tree or what? Or is there like a build or something somewhere

[dapper vessel]

obviously you use the mark 6

[calm shard]

I will literally stab him to death with a knife

[gusty bison]

I know, I meant that melee vet atm might be the strongest vet build

[thin kernel]

You'll stab a weapon to death?

[gusty bison]

He's playing a duo

Duos have skew builds

-.-

[acoustic wyvern]

Yes cause they know what they're doing. You're missing the point. They're having fun with their build and thats what you should aim for. Fun builds

[karmic musk]

Wut that Carnival map leave sequence is so jank lmao

[visual pendant]

Counterpoint: I have 3 friends

[thorn lark]

The less ammo you have...

[acoustic wyvern]

I can do well with my nade build with shotgun and shovel and its really fun

[thorn lark]

Oh god, melee? Vet can do that too now

[karmic musk]

Also Tag keystone is Yellow highlight instead of Red

[smoky lark]

But why cant we have that with ranged though. Why does melee have to be so superior

[visual pendant]

Wait does bolter reload with that keystone now?

[drifting oak]

Don't enemy spawns change for when there are 2 or less players

[pearl granite]

by the way... how is the new skill tree for us vet? I know they adding some more, but did they removed some, or condensed some nodes?

[acoustic wyvern]

Have you tried the mk1 iag

[smoky lark]

Im playing the dedicated ranged class, why is melee the way to go if I want to play optimally

[gusty bison]

Cos when you are running 2 people you dont have time to reload

[drifting oak]

it feels exactly the same in power level tbh

[rare current]

Waiting for the Build Maker to update accordingly

[gusty bison]

with 4 people you can easily focus on ranged

No problem

[drifting oak]

there are some "fun" keystones but they're definitely not for everyone

[visual pendant]

Because it's the same as V2, if you let ranged be as strong as it should be everyone will just kill everything before you ever reach it

[drifting oak]

I played prepatch-style shout vet.

[karmic musk]

Cause you are playing Darktide, the latest entry in a melee-focused series

[drifting oak]

It worked

[gusty bison]

Its why duo builds are not necessarily indicative of whats ideal in 4 people

[drifting oak]

vOv

[pearl granite]

[thorn lark]

Ranged is just a part of your build. You have cc commando as well

Stop being so fucking narrow

[slow spade]

They still 2 node taxes?

Fuck

[thorn lark]

This is not COD tm

[dapper vessel]

zealot also has some nodes to buff ranged attacks

[zinc nest]

suppression nodes

[gusty bison]

Its not a tax in a 4 man

:P

[slow spade]

Oh

[dapper agate]

They should delete the tax nodes.

[dapper vessel]

I fucking hate the placement of it

[gusty bison]

Ok its not that good

[dark flower]

i hate it

[smoky lark]

Sorry if I'm demanding too much by asking for power fantasy with a ranged weapon instead of being forced into melee.

[gusty bison]

But its not terrible

[acoustic wyvern]

Saying melee is great and all is fine but you shohldnt be relying only on it. Fat sharl gave you a whole kit

[gusty bison]

I mean like, the point is you are using both

[dapper vessel]

I played zealot too

[worthy pelican]

have you tried focus fire and executioners stance?

[calm shard]

ranged vet is probably the highest damage output any class in the game can output tbh

[karmic musk]

My Helbore 3 and Shovel build is still mostly range

[dapper vessel]

I just love playing shout melee vet more

[slow spade]

Vets when not mag dumping 99% of the game

[acoustic wyvern]

Try meleeing that sniper across the room on a ledge where you cant reach him

[karmic musk]

I sit behind my team and pew pew

[calm shard]

but like you have to headshot and dodge everything so the practicality is...questionable

[thin kernel]

Valid tbh

I do like my devil sword/shotgun infiltrate build

[visual pendant]

They should really change the position of that and confirmed kill; feel like now confirmed kill is just so free to take for everyone

[karmic musk]

And Krak is your only answer to Crushers?

Or does Parry work out

[dapper vessel]

Shout is literally just a better Chorus

[narrow laurel]

vet tree feels bad or is it just an adjustment phase

[thin kernel]

I have infiltrate, also parry works

[autumn perch]

[gusty bison]

was*

Now Id say they are... sidegrades

[dapper vessel]

you dont have to stop yourself from doing any attacks for a few seconds

[dapper agate]

Yeah, Chorus needs a buff tbh.

[thin kernel]

Also slugs stun lock them

[drifting oak]

they nerfed the most "problematic" nodes and moved some around

[thorn lark]

Gunlugger ogryn laughs

[dapper vessel]

and with tact awareness you can just spam it

[dreamy lantern]

parry works, not super quickly but its not bad

[forest maple]

they only nerfed the toughness right?

[neon briar]

lmao revolver with weapon specialist is hilarious, you can get 1 melee kill and switch to revolver and get a free bullet reloaded each time. makes an amazing weapon even better

[gusty bison]

Yea but its +50 rather than +100 now

[dapper vessel]

as long as theres specials to kill, which on damnation+ is pretty much all the time

[gusty bison]

So Sidegrade imho

[dapper agate]

Chorus even has a tax node, i.e the stagger node.

[karmic musk]

Proceeds to miss

[drifting oak]

here's the problem with the keystones: you still don't have fucking points for them

[untold mulch]

I am not going to sugarcoat it

[narrow laurel]

keystone is so disgustingly far down

[dapper vessel]

still great imo

[fleet garden]

why is marksmans focus left side

[thorn lark]

Warhammer 40k is melee and ranged.

[acoustic wyvern]

Wait that was my point. Use your kit

[thin kernel]

I also have 2 charges of infiltrate so I can just run the hell away if I can't deal with them

[fleet garden]

move it to the middle, I want focus target left side

[drifting oak]

like, i need at least 3 and preferably 4-5 nodes to take mid tree keystone

[gusty bison]

+50 perma or +100 about half to a third of the time

[drifting oak]

where the fuck do I find 3-5 nodes

[narrow laurel]

for what it gives i dont even want to go all the way down for em

[drifting oak]

without giving up very important things

[shell ginkgo]

Reduced explosion damage on Monstrosities.

[dapper vessel]

specials isnt hard to find to kill

[shell ginkgo]

[visual pendant]

Nothing can stop me from bonking that sniper with the egg

[gusty bison]

What weapon

[smoky lark]

I play 40k tenth edition and I can tell you you can win the game entirely by yelling pew pew while moving your figurines around the board

[drifting oak]

chainsword + lasgun, just two old faithful weapons

[gusty bison]

Lasgun... doesnt like mid keystone that much

Is the main issue

[autumn perch]

lmfao

[drifting oak]

i need desperado from right tree, and 30% weakspot on left, to hit certain headshots

[acoustic wyvern]

But this is darktide

[drifting oak]

OHK melee headshots

[smoky lark]

Yep, so what he meant to say was Darktide is a melee game blabla

not 40k.

[drifting oak]

unironically hte 5% movespeed node

[thorn lark]

Dude. I started wh40k in 1994 with the 2nd edition

[smoky lark]

This isnt a contest.

[narrow laurel]

for revolver i cbf to get the keystones lol

[thorn lark]

Melee is part of the lore

[gusty bison]

Try the right keystone with volver

[karmic musk]

owell this my helbore build for now, tested in damnation carnival was decent

[gusty bison]

it fucks

[drifting oak]

and I'm ALREADY skipping the ammo regen aura

[smoky lark]

And ranged is too. There is no rule that says you have to use melee in 40k.

[drifting oak]

which is a huge bruh moment

[neon briar]

theres a lot more ammo in the missions now though

[untold mulch]

Imagine meeleeing

Tau gang

[drifting oak]

but again, if I want that 5% movespeed node (it makes a HUGE difference when sprinting away from enemies, very noticeable)

I have no choice

[neon briar]

you dont have to scrounge over ammo nearly as much as before

makes survivalist aura less important

[drifting oak]

did they explicitly change hat this patch?

[narrow laurel]

for "always prepared"

[neon briar]

im running 5% movespeed aura now guilt free

[neon briar]

yeah

[drifting oak]

it feelsl ike there's a ton more ammo now to be sure

[neon briar]

check the notes

[acoustic wyvern]

You're focusing too much on melee being better than range. You shouldbfocus more on how to build your ranged instead

[gusty bison]

Drop out for blood

[smoky lark]

Tau laughs as it throws 18 hunter seeker missiles while hovering backwards

[gusty bison]

Saves 1

[pearl granite]

so many nodes on the tree..

[drifting oak]

muh 5% movespeed node

[south garnet]

Vet meta: running away

[visual pendant]

Stop running from enemies

[drifting oak]

I'm not taking it for out for blood, I'm taking it for the 5% movespeed for sprinting lol

[thorn lark]

God... You're part of a team of agents. If you want ranged power fantasy go sharpshooter nodes. If you want more commando stuff and be in the fray go weapon specialist

[gusty bison]

sharp inhale

[karmic musk]

Crab walking away* ftfy

[thorn lark]

But good luck trying to shoot only in t5

[fleet garden]

meh, remove shit travel nodes and this is ok at best

[gusty bison]

Ok

[smoky lark]

I am focusing on trying to make a competitive ranged build. The game has power creep, and it gets balanced around what the best builds are. If ranged cant be as competitive as melee then it's a net loss for me.

[frank ledge]

How is the crying going

[dapper agate]

If we had Tau to fight, smoke grenade instantly becomes S tier.

[finite cobalt]

Because of the way they changed things, I cant recreate my old build 😦

[frank ledge]

Are we going to review bomb the game yet?

[karmic musk]

What are you smoking

[gusty bison]

Honestly I think the issue here is you are trying to fit a square peg through a round hole.

An Infantry Lasgun doesnt like this setup that much

[frank ledge]

Yes

[acoustic wyvern]

Thats...kinda bs. Its a team game man. Not meant to be competitive

[drifting oak]

it's not for the lasgun, it's for the chainsword

[untold mulch]

I have fallen into acceptance

Just not going to bother playing until a patch interests me

[drifting oak]

i'm cosplaying a zealot

[acoustic wyvern]

Use what you like

[drifting oak]

the lasgun is just there to fill

[frank ledge]

You can join ogryns

[acoustic wyvern]

Use what weapons you like

[drifting oak]

as a jack of all trades weapon

[gusty bison]

Then why the mid keystone?

[frank ledge]

Gunlugger feels like old vet

specially with the new achlys

[serene bough]

unironically

[dapper agate]

It's worse because of all the node taxes.

[serene bough]

marksman's focus seems great for shotguns

[smoky lark]

Competitive doesnt mean VS in this context. What I mean is I want to be as good as my teammates.

[thorn lark]

As you can see...

[drifting oak]

it's a thought exercise in nodes

[untold mulch]

I have a build with every class minus Zealot

I just dont have as much fun as I did with Vet

[forest maple]

Are all three focus target sub-keystones worth getting?