veteran-class

[neon briar]

yeah true

[mystic belfry]

And your crit might one-shot

[opaque crane]

There is argument for taking sunder over bm now?

[neon briar]

the crit will 1 shot for sure

[opaque crane]

I'm just curious cause I saw a bit of discussion about sunder earlier but just the tail end

[thorn lark]

I two shot with elite and 10% WP dmg

[mystic belfry]

I don't see why you would

Sunder would stagger more enemies, but will kill the horde much slower

[thorn lark]

So maybe try elite first, it's more versatile

[opaque crane]

I don't either tbh but I thought maybe someone might have learned something about it

[mystic belfry]

There's not much wiggle room with the blessings, you want Power Cycler and Brutal Momentum for sure

[opaque crane]

yeah absolutely it performs the best

[mystic belfry]

however, I think you only need power cycler level three and ditto for BM

[opaque crane]

it would work but more powered swings is always better

[frank saffron]

Also guys why wont brunt let me roll a good stat weapon. Why does obese fish do this tome

[mystic belfry]

But idr what breakpoint 12.5% weak point was for

[opaque crane]

MOAR POWER

[mystic belfry]

So grain of salt

[opaque crane]

on psword 3 you need the weakpoint for mutie 1 shot

[mystic belfry]

It's something for mk6 too

I just don't remember what

[opaque crane]

maybe crusher?

[mystic belfry]

Could be

[neon briar]

if only the crafting system wasnt so restrictive so i could test some of these perk and blessing combos

[opaque crane]

what would be god send is if power cycler could finally get baked into the weapon so we could have some more combos

[mystic belfry]

If you manage to get at least tier 3 power cycler and brutal momentum with decent stats

You can switch your perks up a good bit

because theres' several breakpoints to chooe from

Carapace, maniac, (idr on flak), and you can go unyielding too

There's also some memes with maniac or carapace + elite or special

[opaque crane]

What is the difference between unyielding on psword 6 stab and mk 3 heavy?

I'm wondering what %

honestly the mk 3 heavies aren't too shabby on weakspot

[mystic belfry]

idk offhand ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frank ledge]

Then the weapon may need to be nerfed again

Imagine having power cycler baked in already, with slaughterer and BM

[mystic belfry]

never mind baked in

[thorn lark]

Nah crab said you need pc4 to keep the activation on the l4 after the push stab

[mystic belfry]

Just let me reroll all the god damn perks and blessings JUST like I could in Vermintide

[opaque crane]

I'd be okay with that though if it opens up some more options for building it

[mystic belfry]

this system is so stupid

[frank ledge]

True, but the criers would get revived

[thorn lark]

There is a mod to do that

[opaque crane]

yeah that would be miserable to read and look at 😦

[mystic belfry]

I don't want to see mk6 nerfed tbh

it's really good, but it's also quite high skill to use properly in realistic situations

[gusty bison]

Mhm

Its not brain dead

[opaque crane]

question is how will they balance the 2 hander if they add it in

[mystic belfry]

There should be rewards for attack chain manipulation

Just don't? :v

[opaque crane]

the mk6 has a nice skill ceiling

[mystic belfry]

Or make it all strikedown

Power executioner sword when

[gusty bison]

Slower swings

Like an eviscerator feel

Longer reach

Etc

[opaque crane]

I guess more dps on smaller ones but more immediate damage on big one then is what you're getting at?

[neon briar]

wdym? i thought mods cant change stuff on a weapon

since that would be server side

[frank ledge]

it's client side

[opaque crane]

Reach is definitely a boon

[frank ledge]

since it's in the psykanium

[thorn lark]

Yeah this

[frank ledge]

only

[neon briar]

which mod is this?

[tender raft]

Hi guys im new to the game

[mystic belfry]

Hi

[thorn lark]

#1048318548180738118 message

This one

Hi mate

Welcome

[neon briar]

oh wow thats wild

[thorn lark]

Pretty sweet yeah

[opaque crane]

The only keystone that looks interesting to me rn now is the specialist melee one. I think having to stand still in this game to get damage off is ridiculous.

[thorn lark]

Like the custom weapon mod

[opaque crane]

the only thing I can see that being good for is maybe a hb3

[mystic belfry]

Worse comes to worse I’ll Conroe to run no capstone

But tag and swap should be fine

[opaque crane]

my only issue with tag is I like to ping stuff to see it

[wanton dawn]

Sunder is comparable to, generally safer than bm and better in some circumstance, such as no ammo maelstrom

[opaque crane]

Especially through fire

[mystic belfry]

Mhmm

[opaque crane]

understood 🤘

did they say part 2 of the patch is coming out early dec or first week?

I just figure part 1 gotta be either this week or next if thats the case?

[placid portal]

Early december for what I heard

[opaque crane]

early gotcha

[placid portal]

Part 1 is nov 30 for anni most likely

[opaque crane]

ughh bugger

[tender raft]

I love the shotgun, can u guys recommend me a build pls ?

My vet just reached 30 recently

[opaque crane]

probably 2nd or 3rd week dec then

which shotgun do you like?

[forest scaffold]

part 1 this month

part 2 in december

knowing fatshark, end of both months

¯_(ツ)_/¯

so next week and 5 weeks from now

[opaque crane]

yeah I'm trying to predict part 2 release to make it come faster lmfao

[forest scaffold]

Uh

Hmm christmas

Probably mid-december then

ship it right before their christmas break

[opaque crane]

next week after holiday break and 3rd vacation

[forest scaffold]

let us players play with the broken game for a month or two

then come back and patch everything in february

[opaque crane]

we heard you wanted dogs back for christmas

[tender raft]

I forgot the name but the last one unlocked

[frank ether]

as usual problem is crafting rng lol

[pearl granite]

is this look good?

[frank ledge]

Cyclical issues

My favorite

https://tenor.com/view/hakandbobr-darktide-hak-gif-4835721721778289528

Intrusive thoughts won

[minor brook]

friendship ended with helbore

plasma gun is my new best friend

[mystic belfry]

Never liked helbore

It’s icky

[opaque crane]

ohh you like the kantrael then! I think the standard is flak + maniac and then fullbore + no respite for that one.

[minor brook]

rn i just feel like helbore is just kantrael but you dont get to spam click

[tender raft]

What about the talents, im having trouble figuring out the talents for vet

[pearl granite]

can someone help me evaluate this ax pls?

[opaque crane]

I'll show you what I run, I use inf autos, braced, shotguns, basically everything except a lasgun with this build

[minor brook]

you guys like slug shotgun or fire shotgun?

i wanna dip my toes into shotties

[opaque crane]

I like the lawbringer these days

[gusty bison]

Slug is my prefered

[placid portal]

Slug is based

Ez 1k

[opaque crane]

I don't have the fancy shmancy mods for taking the screenshots so bare with my caveman tactics

[placid portal]

Try snippet

It's quite shrimple

[opaque crane]

snippet

I'll look it up

Ohhh the snipping tool

[placid portal]

Ye

[opaque crane]

That's how you get the whole tree in 1 shot?

[placid portal]

Melee with crit gun hybrid?

[placid portal]

Not possible xp

Lemme guess laspistol VoC Officer build?

[opaque crane]

the end of the tree is trench fighter on the right it's the 2 nodes you can't see. I don't know how useful kantrael is with deadshot but the weakspot node is nice to have

[placid portal]

It does ok

[opaque crane]

I usually run inf auto agrip and psword 3 or 6 😛

I'm not one of those laspistol badasses

[placid portal]

Just gotta be mindful when mag dumping bc lasguns have smaller stamina pool base

[unique sorrel]

i'd try it in psyk with exploit weakness, seems like it could be an armor killer with those blessings

[opaque crane]

I have been doing lawbringer with flechette and scatter for fun though lately

[frank ether]

the end nodes are usually a scam however taking the +25 toughness and %30 close damage for 10 sec on shout isnt so bad

[opaque crane]

for sure... my secret is running 3 stam curious hehehe

[frank ether]

I use it that way with power sword and basically shout plus a few swings and anything closeby dies

[tender raft]

My aim is garbage so weakspot dmg is no no lol

[opaque crane]

you could back out of that part of the tree and grab the ogryn damage node + confirmed kill if you'd like

[sharp ember]

i follow the manstopper scattershot path
on every shotgun

[tender raft]

The slug feels good but the fire normal damage is higher

[regal pendant]

Got darktide yesterday and i will Max the Veteran first, any recommendations for ways to level for stupid people like me?

[minor brook]

i rolled a 380 revolver

[frank ether]

I wouldnt get too used to confirmed kill

[sharp ember]

my videogame shotgun needs to take out swathes of enemies with each shell

[minor brook]

absolute gigachad revolver

hope the blessings are good

[frank ether]

as its probably moving to left tree keystone

[opaque crane]

I gotta get manstopper gotta stop talking on discord lol

[sharp ember]

play at a difficulty you can confidently win instead of gambling and losing higher difficulties and getting nothing

[tender raft]

I got experience with vermintide so im pretty confident with damnation but its too slow lol

[opaque crane]

You’ll level faster playing just malice than winning 2/4 heresy games for sure

[sharp ember]

occasionally it's understandable if your team can't pull their weight and you can't carry theirs

[placid portal]

Vets usually are able pull their weight but difficult to pull others

[gusty bison]

Welp just failed my first Hi 5 in a long while.

Woops

[fiery meteor]

Does anyone know if the catachan parry scales with block cost reduction stat?

[opaque crane]

Pub players are devout followers of chaos and probably generals of nurgle

[gusty bison]

Brain farted

[opaque crane]

Never trust them and always be suspicious

[placid portal]

Contempt do be your armor

[regal pendant]

Yeah I’m playing like the middle thing at the selection

[gusty bison]

This lel

[minor brook]

feel like its so hard to stay alive as vet on damnation

[placid portal]

It is

[gusty bison]

Footwork footwork footwork

[novel nimbus]

It's challenging, yeah.

[gusty bison]

Also dont trust your allies to cover your back ever

[placid portal]

You gotta be quick and perceptive to stay kicking

[gusty bison]

I literally had an ogryn walk past a rager

[frank ether]

it doesnt help that sharpshoter vet is a buggy mess

[gusty bison]

lel

[minor brook]

like the zealots are basically cars

[opaque crane]

Absolutely

[minor brook]

and then leave me in the dust

[opaque crane]

lol

[placid portal]

Agreed I have trust issues akin to cutthroat vet

[novel nimbus]

Learn to recognize the sound/visual cues of ranged enemies about to light you tf up and your survivability on damnation will go up exponentially

[minor brook]

whats wrong with sharpshoot

[gusty bison]

Also ngl. I feel like Hi5 with stalker and shotty spam is harder than hi5 stg

[placid portal]

Now I know why cutthroat is so salty and bitter about comradery

[gusty bison]

Less ammo regeb

[novel nimbus]

I like the cutthroat voice, I hope FS releases more voices sometime down the line

I legit think two of the psyker voices are grating to listen to

[opaque crane]

I can see that for sure

[minor brook]

i just want a proper storyline

[frank ether]

exhilarating is bugged and increasing toughness damage taken, and deadshot demands you build a lot of stamina to use indirectly influencing you to build like a paper.

[placid portal]

Cutthroat is just not my favorite but cadian simp is a thing

Loose cannon gaming

[minor brook]

wait what so should i unspec exhilarating takedown

[placid portal]

Loose cannon worked with tempestus bois

[minor brook]

wtf why are there so many bugs

[novel nimbus]

I made a female loose cannon vet and ehhhh, not the biggest fan of that voice

[frank ether]

building stamina is less of a woe for shout or infiltrate builds since they have other means of surviving under pressure

[tender raft]

Its pretty frustrating to get an ogryn that hoard all ammo on and off sight

[placid portal]

Fem loose cannon is toxic xp

[frank ether]

I just recommend you play other builds

play shout or infiltrate vet with good melee talents

[placid portal]

Male loose is that haply go lucky karker

[minor brook]

oh no dude

damn guess i should do that shotgun build

[opaque crane]

I really like female loose cannon she’s a riot.

[minor brook]

the blessings are so weird in this game

as in so many of them feel bugged or dont do what they say they do

[opaque crane]

I’d rather listen to an old man complain about coupons than hear more yammering about cadia.

Been hearing my vet since beta lol

[placid portal]

Lol

Professional vet probs training to be officer with that kind of knowledge by book lol

Gotta say, proffessional vet is what I say the vanilla guardsmen

[opaque crane]

Makes sense to me for sure

Loose cannon is a scoundrel

[placid portal]

But he has alot of connections

Blud trades with crew in morningstar for info

[low wadi]

who else love krak?

[opaque crane]

Great networker lol

[placid portal]

I dont hear much nowadays about it

Especially with the dialogue about Maskovi

[opaque crane]

Krak grenade is lovely it shores up weaknesses on so many builds

[placid portal]

Krak is nice but nothing wrong with ye ol reliable shredda

[opaque crane]

Yeah there’s some lines that are drowned out nowadays

[spare wolf]

Muh back hurts

At least ogryn thanked

lmao

[opaque crane]

Shredder always performs well too

[placid portal]

Shredda cant go wrong unless crusher patrol squads

[opaque crane]

Then there is the unspoken monster it’s almost air but isn’t so you have to acknowledge it

[low wadi]

but krak

[placid portal]

Which is why I fell for rashad axe

[low wadi]

krak make beep beep sound

[placid portal]

Tru but most enemies die as soon as it sticks

[low wadi]

[opaque crane]

That’s why you have 2 or 3

You can stick the guy that killed your target lol

[low wadi]

i run all granade talents

with krak

[placid portal]

Shredda at least provide screening weaklings and knockdown bigguns

[odd wind]

guys why is melk so mean to my vet but so nice to my zealot?

[placid portal]

And file that as pox burster kill

[opaque crane]

100%

[odd wind]

they're both max level

:(

[placid portal]

Melk dont like stinky vets

Also probs bc loose cannon stole some intel from melk while browsing

Cutthroat always bitter but nice to brawler ogryn

Swear to god cutthroat is gonna plant a krak on sergeant morrow for disrespecting ogryn

[spare wolf]

Melk seems to respond differently per personality(Or voice)

Melk being nice to my professional voice vet

[mystic belfry]

Krak is for funny memes where you throw one at the front ogryn then ult to fold the entire group into a pile

Then they all die

[placid portal]

Oh I like that idea

[mystic belfry]

Like using c4 as dough to make bread

[placid portal]

Fold em into omelette

Then plant a krak

[mystic belfry]

It works great

Plant the nade first

[placid portal]

Cleary peak strats

[mystic belfry]

My best was seven ogryn with one krak

Krak kills

[mystic belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816148698869268480/1173482835500355594/image.png?ex=65641e0e&is=6551a90e&hm=5bd018eb553fbf35a6c0b0f6b6f2ae5058edcc39028482e6fa0a786e7e52942b&

[forest scaffold]

what a sexy looking gun

[scarlet smelt]

Okay so real quick right

Say I wanted to push the shovel to its theoretical limit

What would I need

[forest scaffold]

[scarlet smelt]

Uncanny Strike, and?

[forest scaffold]

Decimator and something else right?

and then probably flak/maniac

[scarlet smelt]

Decimator, that's it

[placid portal]

Decimator or take a swing

[scarlet smelt]

Flak / Maniac

[forest scaffold]

I dunno

[scarlet smelt]

Stat spread to shoot for?

[forest scaffold]

I'm a power sword slave

[scarlet smelt]

fair

[placid portal]

Dmg Pen and First Target

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, for that, same as all

[scarlet smelt]

[forest scaffold]

everything that helps you apply damage

first

and then whatever doesn't are acceptable dump stats

[scarlet smelt]

I have 400k dockets

Wish me luck

[placid portal]

Mobility and Defense is whatever

[placid portal]

Yeee

[forest scaffold]

Should I throw on dum dum

or just keep FF

[placid portal]

Embrace entrenchment gaming

[forest scaffold]

Considering it has the gigantic scope

I might just keep FF

since I use it like a brauto half the time

not exactly uh

conducive to reliably hitting the same target a bunch

[scarlet smelt]

You don't understand, I've been running chainsword. Bleeding Crushers and Maulers to death is fine and all but this is now the second time where I've had to pull my pants up and clutch with my entire team dead, then died later to something much more manageable AFTER the fact

I am basically malding in my seat trying to look for answers

[forest scaffold]

uhm

power sword

[scarlet smelt]

cringe

I actually think that'd make it worse

[scarlet smelt]

I had to run a lot

[forest scaffold]

I can tell you it won't

the raw killing power of the PS is fucking stupid

you sacrifice dodges, true.

But god damn just sitting in the corner makes you untouchable besides flamers/bombers

[scarlet smelt]

I've just had this sitting here collecting dust

[forest scaffold]

change rampage to brutal momentum

change melee damage to flak or maniac

[scarlet smelt]

Can't

Need to pick one

[forest scaffold]

Ohhhhh

[scarlet smelt]

yeah power cycler

[forest scaffold]

then rampage to slaughterer or brutal momentum

[scarlet smelt]

I spent a lot of plasteel trying to get it and then just

[forest scaffold]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scarlet smelt]

used it once and never again

[forest scaffold]

the perks ultimately don't matter on power sword

damage nutty

[scarlet smelt]

[forest scaffold]

swoosh swoosh swoosh

these are mine

one day this will be good :copium:

[blazing flame]

i hate this weapon

[forest scaffold]

same

its ass

[blazing flame]

big ass

[scarlet smelt]

You think that's cope? Check out this stat spread

I will

NEVER

See its like

EVER AGAIN

and it's on like the shittiest veteran weapon possible

[forest scaffold]

I'll one up you

[opaque crane]

The only 550 weapon I have is the shield

The irony of that is awful

[forest scaffold]

this one makes me sad

[opaque crane]

It’s got perfect blessing and perk too

I hate that thing with a passion

[forest scaffold]

naw I love the mg12

Solid all rounder

No particular weakspots at all

Its biggest one is rapid fire(It doesn't have it)

but it makes up for it with one-shot breakpoints

[opaque crane]

Mg12* is good it always works and does a good job

[forest scaffold]

Oh well, I have my AK-16

so I'm happy

[placid portal]

M12 do be ol faithful

[scarlet smelt]

ugh god that's a bad start

[forest scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/brutal-savage-rekt-gif-9810801

[placid portal]

Could be worsr

[gusty bison]

What

The

Fuck

Puri

[frank ether]

aaaa

vgökdhşddhd

what is peripheral vision

[rigid pilot]

Is the scope only accessible on las? Couldn't find it on the extended

[astral blade]

question is the graia mk 8 infantry autogun a good middle ground?

[rigid pilot]

After a few games with graia I'll say no

I rather have the columnus spray

[astral blade]

i thought the graia was a good middle ground weapon for both the col and the agrip? since those 2 auto guns were buffed

[rigid pilot]

Graia burst fire seems more accurate, but it's a trap because it actually usually loses dps to just columnus spray control

Agri one tap shooters don't work in further ranges

Maybe with sniper

[trim hemlock]

The main problem I have with it, it has the worst recoil of the other two IAGs and doesn’t particularly excel at anything

It’s definitely usable, but I’d rather just take Columnus or Agripinaa patterned ones

[dusky flare]

why's bm good on psword now

[tepid pagoda]

It gets full damage to 4 targets

If you kill

[astral blade]

you sure it feels pretty stable to me

[dusky flare]

yeah i know what it does lol, but why's it good on psword now

[tepid pagoda]

That's why

Wdym

[dusky flare]

compared to rampage or slaugtherer

[brisk umbra]

That's a 75%+ stabillity one?

[tepid pagoda]

Kill 4 big things per swing is usually better value than more damage to hordes

[astral blade]

80%

[brisk umbra]

Because my shitty one with 35% really doesn't do that

[tepid pagoda]

And the BM damage also helps horde clear

[astral blade]

this

[tepid pagoda]

Idk if it's better though

[astral blade]

damage on this roll is crap but ehh

[dusky flare]

bm does nothing against mixed hordes, rampage and slaughterer shreds mixed hordes

[kind scarab]

Real life tunnel vision attachment

[minor brook]

what are the best blessings on plasma gun?

[brisk umbra]

blaze away and get hot

but really, it's better having a 78%+ and two good perks over thosetwo

[minor brook]

why 78%?

[gusty bison]

Should be more stable than Columnus

A lot so

[minor brook]

what should i replace on this? guessing the poxwalker one

[trim hemlock]

That’s not the problem, the problem is, Agripinaa technically should have higher recoil than Graia, but currently it doesn’t, so there’s no downsides in using it, basically, if you want a consistent firearm. Graia has a usable recoil still, but if I want to just burst things quickly, then Columnus will do a better job at it.

[brisk umbra]

i wanted to say 80/80 but it felt a bit too much But yeah there are some breakpoints i don't remember where

[minor brook]

i heard volatile and blaze away are actually both decent

[gusty bison]

Graia has better crit strings and lends itself to better DPS

[frank ether]

shooting 10m target in chest from a standstill isnt good recoil by any means anyways

[brisk umbra]

yep

[trim hemlock]

Apologies, what’s “better Crit strings” exactly?

[brisk umbra]

Volatile is bugged theoretically

It's a weird bug that if you have to much charge speed it reduces your damage

[minor brook]

what should i switch it with? im thinking elite 10%

[gusty bison]

When full auto guns crit, the next X bullets crit

this is a crit string

Graia iirc has 1 longer than agri

[astral blade]

soooo is graia good or bad

[brisk umbra]

check what you can HS onetap in the psykrium without blaze away, and fix that honestly (oh and without Longshot if you ran that too)

[gusty bison]

Graia good

Agri good

Columnus good

Columnus probably the best of the 3 but they play different enough that its personal taste

[frank ether]

columnus the best

but agri is different

graia feels like columnus lite

[astral blade]

but is it a good middle ground between the agri long range and the columnus short range

[frank ether]

Idk I think I'd use none for long range

but agri can do small bursts

and kill a gunner before recoil ramps up

few headshots is enough

[gusty bison]

It gets you to the 30m mark

Columnus peters off a bit around the 20-25

Agri can reach 40 with practice

[opaque crane]

Ooo patch notes

[minor brook]

should i be able to one tap gunners on an uncharged plasma hs?

[frank basin]

Ak-12 beloved

[opaque crane]

Yay patch is out

Maybe we’ll make 1st week of dec for part 2

[brisk umbra]

Wtf, already?

[kind scarab]

Aight lads and ladies

[opaque crane]

Yeah restart steam

[frank basin]

huh

[opaque crane]

Notes are up in bulletin

[kind scarab]

Time to see how close I was to being right on the things I called out

[untold mulch]

Fixed issue where Veteran talent “Grenade Tinkerer” also made the player stun immune.

[forest scaffold]

I don't think I've ever seen less ammo in a match

AND I was running survivalist

[untold mulch]

GRENADE TINKERER NO LONGER STUN IMMUNITY

[forest scaffold]

Fucking hate comms-plex

[untold mulch]

We can stop yelling that

[lime field]

Ty for fixing Resuply Allies, I want my tank girl hat

[untold mulch]

Lowered the Bonus toughness of Duty and Honour from 100 to 50.

[frank basin]

what about extrafiltrade shot bugs iit take more damage when have on it?

[astral blade]

is the patch live?

[brisk umbra]

rip vet

[untold mulch]

Steam is

[untold mulch]

Rip

[cyan osprey]

WHAT

[astral blade]

grrrrr

[cyan osprey]

A GREAT

DAY

[untold mulch]

It should be simultaenous anyways

[brisk umbra]

Did they fix takedown?

[frank basin]

how i got 11 gb update?

something not right

perhaps are they release too early?

[kind scarab]

Looks like I don't have an update on my end

[dusk idol]

it just got released

[kind scarab]

[forest scaffold]

Voice of Command nerfed

[dusk idol]

deserved

[frank basin]

what?

[kind scarab]

Called it

[forest scaffold]

The modifier keystone

That gives 100 toughness

[frank basin]

where's the patch note?

[forest scaffold]

is now 50

[dusk idol]

still wish they buffed the restt

[forest scaffold]

#📢news-bulletin

[dusk idol]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/patch-15-the-traitor-curse-part-1/86764

[brisk umbra]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/patch-15-the-traitor-curse-part-1/86764

[kind scarab]

So far while checking

[brisk umbra]

patch notes

[forest scaffold]

I mean, Veteran's cooldown reduction talent is a FLAT -6 seconds

[kind scarab]

I've called out these nodes correctly so far from what I'm reading on the patch notes

[sharp ember]

IT'S HERE JUMPSCARE

[forest scaffold]

that shit is super OP with VOC

[astral blade]

well thats abit unfair

[forest scaffold]

so nerfing the modifier talent is fine

[kind scarab]

the MS related turns out ain't MS

But is rending

[frank basin]

they haven't fix takedown

[valid bluff]

steam refuses to give me the update

[kind scarab]

Same

[frank basin]

exit the steam

which i did it

and reopen

[dusk idol]

maybe takedown was removed

[brisk umbra]

I can't believe that they didn't fix takedown, the fuck

[frank basin]

not sure

[dusk idol]

skilltree did get tweaked

[frank basin]

i have to look at it

[astral blade]

i am updating darktide lol

[frank basin]

am done

[dusk idol]

same

[frank basin]

now booting up

[gusty bison]

Heres all 3 IAGs at 40m, for recoil comparison

[brisk umbra]

Omfg the tree is completely different

[kind scarab]

Do me a favor real quick

[frank basin]

take snap shot

[kind scarab]

And show me what each of the subnodes for the new capstones do

I want to see how accurate my predictions were

[frank basin]

good lord gracious

[kind scarab]

AYYYYYYYYYYYY

JOHNNY DID IT

We can pick any grenade with any build now

[frank basin]

time to remake all my loadout

[kind scarab]

[iron marten]

wtf it's here already

[frank basin]

yeah

imma go look into

[frank ether]

I get that graia is a lot more controllable but the sheer melting power of columnus

[dusk idol]

guess they did say it was gonna release soon

[frank basin]

have fun yall

[dusk idol]

pleasantly surprised fatshark moment

[brisk umbra]

so, markmasn Focus: 10% Rending, 15 stacks, 1focus when you stand still, 2.5% thoughness for focus

[frank basin]

without specific date

[delicate moat]

pog update already

[iron marten]

Australia net moment

[frank basin]

expect the unexpected

[frank ether]

also keystones

[near wyvern]

Wait a damn second

[frank ether]

oh shit

oh fugg

[dusk idol]

2 minute update for me

[near wyvern]

The update's out?!

[dusk idol]

lets go

[frank ether]

I'm not ready for keystones

muh builds

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-coffin-black-ghana-celebrating-gif-16743302

[frank ether]

they'll be reset

[valid bluff]

I feel like at that distance, you should at least be crouching

[kind scarab]

Better than mine, I live in the middle of a desert

[brisk umbra]

Focus Target: 5% Toguhness and Stamina per stack, Max stack to 8, 1.5% damage per stack of Focus

[kind scarab]

[astral blade]

oof the third one has the worst recoil

[dusk idol]

get better nett 4heaed

[delicate moat]

[iron marten]

true, maybe go for Superloop instead of T E L S T R A

[frank basin]

im booting in rn

lmao

[dusk idol]

vodafone moment

[delicate moat]

did they touch smoke nades?

[frank basin]

im first

[frank basin]

i hope not

[kind scarab]

Middle tree's subnodes are not what I expected

[mystic escarp]

it is so over

[frank basin]

i have 2 loadout use smoke nade

[brisk umbra]

Weapon Specialist: 3.3% ammo when you activate Ranged Specialist, Melee 20% stamina, 20% reload on Ranged, 20% toughness on Melee, 25% stamina cost reduction for melee

[kind scarab]

Wait

Weapon specialist RESTORES AMMO?

[frank ether]

also do you wanna know what holds agri back? Just theory speaking but its the spray reset delay. Its very potent and accurate when burst firing but the delay required to reset the recoil cuts down its dps.

[brisk umbra]

yep.

[kind scarab]

Aight, right tree is best tree now.

Hands down.

[kind scarab]

That's too strong.

[astral blade]

at least yours is doing something

[kind scarab]

Infinite ammo bullshit

[strange fog]

alright lads whats the new vet meta talents

[frank basin]

that compete the ogryn?

[brisk umbra]

It's the Ogryn version of ammo reload tho

[frank basin]

OOH NICE

[opaque crane]

From reserve

[brisk umbra]

so not like specialist

[frank basin]

i need that

now i can return my old vet build

[scarlet smelt]

she's fucked me

[kind scarab]

Oh, so it's just 3.3% ammo into your gun?

[valid bluff]

Not having to reload on melee range hybrid sounds soo fucking good

[kind scarab]

Not ammo regen

[opaque crane]

Yes from reserve

[brisk umbra]

ye

[gusty bison]

Yep

Also

[valid bluff]

per stack, 10 stacks

[gusty bison]

"Fixed a bug where Shotguns weapon special “reload” wasn’t affected by any of the reload speed talents and other buffs."

👀

[placid portal]

Nice

[delicate moat]

wait is survivalist gone?

[frank basin]

so it eat from your reserve while shooting?

[kind scarab]

Oh, then I'll probably still use right side tree for revolver

[gusty bison]

Agri bolt action rifle time

[astral blade]

bruh why is comp urge locked behind that stupid talent

[opaque crane]

Nerfed melee att speed node to 10%

[placid portal]

[kind scarab]

Since infinitely reloading revolver is hella sweet

[placid portal]

Wat

Nerf to trench drill?

Rip

[opaque crane]

Yeah

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-cree-do-you-have-the-time-high-noon-triggered-time-gif-15737410

[brisk umbra]

i mean better an ability over random toughness

[gusty bison]

Thats the agri

[minor brook]

just read the patch notes

[brisk umbra]

They moved all the Toughness regen at the top of the tree too

[astral blade]

ya joking me

[minor brook]

toughness nerf from +100 to +50 for shout

guh

[gusty bison]

You usually dont have the luxury at 40m cos theres a mountain of stuff in the way and you are trying to hit the head poking above the rest lol

[dusk idol]

beautiful

[astral blade]

what ya recoil with your agri

[urban steppe]

plasmagun time babyyy

[urban adder]

did they fix exhilaration takedown?

[kind scarab]

Zealot can now knock bosses off of ledges again

[gusty bison]

iirc stability was pretty high

[brisk umbra]

Fire Team got buffed to 5%

[valid bluff]

every other might not be consistent for it

[sharp ember]

Fixed a bug where Shotguns weapon special “reload” wasn’t affected by any of the reload speed talents and other buffs
YES YES YES

[languid escarp]

11Gb update?

[valid bluff]

but it should at least make the boss stop

[gusty bison]

But notice the first few shots are super accurate, then it starts going crazy

[frank ether]

shout back down to +50 toughness

[astral blade]

survivlist tell me

[astral blade]

what happened to it

[minor brook]

theres no way the 3 new abilities they introduced are the new capstones right

[brisk umbra]

still 1% nothing changed

[minor brook]

they just seem worse tbh

[languid escarp]

good

[prisma vessel]

😄

[languid escarp]

screw you survivalist haters

[dusk idol]

anniversary cutscene

[gusty bison]

People who bind tag to LMB

[frank ether]

%5 is something at least

[delicate moat]

i cant see myself using the marking things keystone

[opaque crane]

Much more difficult to grab elite enemies + ogryn damage if going right tree

[frank ether]

if you need it for breakpoints or something

[astral blade]

[delicate moat]

feels annoying to use

[brisk umbra]

oh god, they moved Bleed and Agile engagement over the MS nodes -_-

[minor brook]

same but the first capstone needs you to stand still

in a game all about movement

[gusty bison]

So we still have only one aura

[delicate moat]

butt

[gusty bison]

got it

[brisk umbra]

Pretty much

[astral blade]

welp this sucks

[delicate moat]

ima go full melee vet this patch

[minor brook]

i think they made the first capstone somehow worse

like how

[opaque crane]

Damage aura buffed from 3 to 5%

[fervent quiver]

Left side seems like the only thing they actually improved

[brisk umbra]

The Right tree is now much better at least

[delicate moat]

i unironically think vet might be stronger last patch

[fervent quiver]

Superiority complex on the left

[scarlet smelt]

bruh

[minor brook]

isnt left side the one where you need to stand still

[astral blade]

not worth it

[brisk umbra]

yep

God damn, they mega buffed Revolver again

[gusty bison]

or chain headshots

[fervent quiver]

yeah

[frank basin]

i notice when you tune difficulty they have color indicator from green, yellow, red

[fervent quiver]

that shit

[brisk umbra]

Deadshot+Precision Strike with just 2 points

[safe quiver]

The update came out ???

[mystic escarp]

COME ON DO SOMETHING

[opaque crane]

I like going down middle to hit the nodes I need so at least it got buffed a bit

[gusty bison]

Tbh this is just a generic megabuff to everything

[opaque crane]

I’ve never needed the ammo regen myself

[minor brook]

wonder if accetran is good now if you just megafarm headshots

[brisk umbra]

Oh they yeeted Superiority Complex (15% elite dmage) to the left tree at the bottom

[fervent quiver]

Oh

you can crouch walk

You don't loose stacks

[gusty bison]

🤔

[mystic escarp]

[kind scarab]

You need to stand still until something is dead, then you can move for the same amount of time almost that you'd have ex stance up

[astral blade]

bruh

[delicate moat]

its so joever

i am crab

[mystic escarp]

I LOVE MICROSOFT
I LOVE MICROSOFT
I LOVE MICROSOFT
I LOVE MICROSOFT
I LOVE MICROSOFT

[delicate moat]

crab is me

[brisk umbra]

they gutted Markasman too kek

[kind scarab]

How so?

[brisk umbra]

the passive that gave 50% Weakshot during combat ability, it's now* 20%

[kind scarab]

[delicate moat]

[kind scarab]

Why is it less than the normal fucking 30% travel node

[opaque crane]

They changed difficulty colors at psyk whatever

[kind scarab]

Did they nerf that one too?

[brisk umbra]

same for Close Quarts Killzone, down to 15% from 30%

[opaque crane]

It actually goes from green to red as you scale up

[fervent quiver]

This benifited bolty, yay. Only downside is that everything else sucks to use on left side

[astral blade]

please tell me they didn't hit mah baby infiltrate

[kind scarab]

Infiltrate has been removed entirely

The effect has been moved over to smoke grenades to get people to play them

[minor brook]

monkey dartboard buffing

[sharp ember]

Crab meta lmao

[astral blade]

what

[brisk umbra]

Infiltrate is absolutely identical

[scarlet smelt]

[kind scarab]

I'm just messing with you

[fervent quiver]

Oh, I might be able to take out some reload stuff now

[astral blade]

oh FFS

[sharp ember]

Reduced Bleed Unyielding armour damage modifier from 1.0 to 0.75
MY BLOODLETTER CHAINSWORD NO

[minor brook]

will xbox gamers get to play the update tmr

[frank basin]

@kind scarab apperantly kill enemy with melee stack ranged buff, when you swing to ranged it consume all stack and reload 3.3% to your mag from reserve.

[minor brook]

or is steam king

[kind scarab]

Lets be real, I made it hella obvious by saying the effect was on the smoke grenade now

[untold mulch]

Vet tree looks like is just slightly better in pathing

fantastic 💀

Goddammit

[forest maple]

YO is the patch out?

[untold mulch]

Yes

[astral blade]

DOC i will find you and slap you

[kind scarab]

Better pathing, but we lost a lot of damage node strength

[forest maple]

WOOO

[minor brook]

is patch out for xbox gamers?

[mystic escarp]

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF THE EMPEROR

[urban steppe]

did they gived cosmetics already ? or need to do there something

[minor brook]

or just steam

[astral blade]

yes

[minor brook]

ok nice

[forest maple]

10 GB PATCH? HUH

[fast heart]

Wow, keystone suck

[minor brook]

new mission boys

[forest maple]

Are the cosmetics in?

[astral blade]

[minor brook]

mind prtsc the new capstones?

i cant get on rn

[forest maple]

Can't play yet

[minor brook]

i gotta see em

[minor brook]

i read the patch notes but they aint give numbers

[urban adder]

did they fix exhilrating takedown?

[brisk umbra]

oh damn, it's for everybody

[untold mulch]

Hey is not terrible

Marksman focus ONLY LOSES 1 STACK PER MOVEMENT

[kind scarab]

Ya know what's the most bullshit thing

[placid portal]

Ahh

[kind scarab]

Revolver didn't get nerf'd at all

[placid portal]

It came out?

Lol

[untold mulch]

Isn't that bad, you can move with marksman focus and you only lose 1 stack a sec instead of all 10

[kind scarab]

Except for the nodes on the tree getting nerf'd

[placid portal]

Revolver still hecking stronk

[brisk umbra]

you can crabwalk with this

[fast heart]

New keystones are so fucking situational it's insane

[frank ether]

hate to tell you I told you so but I told you so

[placid portal]

Oh shit the update is out now

[untold mulch]

I was expecting some braincells, but looks like that part was all empty

[fervent quiver]

You can actually crab walk anyways

you don't lose stacks when crabwalking

[minor brook]

crab vet i cant

[placid portal]

Crabwalk?

[placid portal]

Crouch walking?

[frank ledge]

Now we can finally review bomb the game over the veteran tree

[kind scarab]

Y'all realise as long as you get a headshot (or headshot kill)..... you can sprint, right?

[delicate moat]

Fixed issue where Veteran talent “Grenade Tinkerer” also made the player stun immune.
This is the biggest veteran nerf

[frank ether]

eh I mean its not a complete disaster but I knew existing talents would get axed to make room for keystone shenanigans

[delicate moat]

it's so joever

[forest maple]

Did they mess with any of the crit las stuff/

[violet steeple]

carcinization strikes again

[kind scarab]

Crab did this

100%

[minor brook]

isnt it harder to get value out of these capstones now?

[untold mulch]

Also you only lose 1 stack at a time when you move, not all 10

[minor brook]

like

isnt it just worse

[kind scarab]

That was obvious already to be fair from the tooltip

[frank ledge]

It's a disaster

[valid bluff]

trying to fit all the nodes I want is pain, but at least there is a lot of nodes I want

[sleek cairn]

hows patch guys

[kind scarab]

It says you "start losing stacks" not you lose all stacks

[untold mulch]

Huh, then I must not know how to read

[midnight patrol]

I'm getting 282KB/S a second

[sleek cairn]

NO NOOO

[midnight patrol]

My tears

[untold mulch]

Ohhh

[minor brook]

before the capstones were wee wee but at least if you just pressed a button you get immediate value

[celest vine]

RESUPPLY ALLIES FIXED

[sharp ember]

bro this melta gun is so good

[celest vine]

[violet steeple]

even in the 41st millenium

[gusty bison]

Meltagun?

[kind scarab]

New weapons?

[thick kestrel]

we're in the immediate random hot-take zone at the current moment, recommend waiting until people actually try stuff for details

[sharp ember]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-i-lied-gif-21836345

[mystic escarp]

finally i'll get those damn headgears

[gusty bison]

Lel

[untold mulch]

Dont go lying mf

[brisk umbra]

We really do not have enough points to get everything, even worse than before ffs

[fast heart]

Hold on

So

[mystic escarp]

I am with you, brother/sister

TOGETHER WE RISE

[violet steeple]

please keep going it's hilarious

[fast heart]

Warp traveller is in new mission?

[sharp ember]

my purpose in life is to make your heart quiver for 5 seconds

[kind scarab]

Told ya that'd be the case

[mystic escarp]

FINALLY

[iron marten]

no way they added the heavy bolter from that boltgun game!!!

[forest maple]

We got worse talent economy than before? yikes

[frank ether]

Ofc all the people clowning on me are real silent rn

[untold mulch]

25 points doing a straihgt line to left

soooo 5 points to use

[sharp ember]

someone said it was slightly improved

oh dear

[mystic escarp]

NO WAY THEY ADDED WARHAMMER FROM WARHAMMER

[minor brook]

i think it depends

[woeful junco]

those are still there afaik

[untold mulch]

Slightlyu better pathing, becuase nades are not forced path, but yeahhh, bruh

[delicate moat]

for a mg12 im thinking of literally a no keystone build

[fervent quiver]

someone hollar when the ui mods are updated

[woeful junco]

the new keystones are directly tacked onto the tree

[strange fog]

Leftside capstone feels like shit to play. the stacks one

[woeful junco]

they didnt replace anything

[delicate moat]

what is this tree

[orchid nova]

Jesus christ

[strange grove]

this was upgraded

[minor brook]

oh thank god

[spare wolf]

Bro patch now???

[orchid nova]

this tree design is shite

[kind scarab]

The buildup nodes to reach the capstones have been nerf'd, to make up for the extra power you'd get from the capstones

[spare wolf]

FS works really really hard wtf

This is scary

[fast heart]

Jesus Christ

[languid escarp]

doubly buffed

[untold mulch]

I need to play some bit

but it looks like Fatshark did the really minimum effort

[frank ether]

they took away a bunch of existing free power and replaced it with conditional ones

[sharp ember]

LET'S GO TWO SMOKES

[brisk umbra]

Yeah now trying to not get just straight down is really hard

[fast heart]

Ok from now on I'll ignore capstones completely

[forest maple]

So, i'm not seeing anywhere the fix for the toughness talent that makes you take 30% more instead of reduce it?

[delicate moat]

bro im literally thinking of no keystone builds

[fast heart]

But the question is

[woeful junco]

I think the tree could do with some pruning, yeah

[delicate moat]

they are so fking far down its not even funny

[midnight patrol]

.. Oh. Oh no xD

[celest vine]

NO

[strange grove]

the location of demolition team is kinda meh

[celest vine]

WHY

[sharp ember]

i mean we were doing no keystone builds already

[minor brook]

the new capstones dont seem very appealing

[midnight patrol]

Yeah many RiP

[umbral scaffold]

VETERAN HAS FRIENDLY FIRE NOW LETS GOOO

[kind scarab]

That's when the travel nodes were actually strong

[frank ether]

sorry you're not the fomo class of this update come back in 6 months

[delicate moat]

none of the 3 options to me is like a "must take"

[midnight patrol]

PS sword mains will need to work harder now

[minor brook]

vet is already feat starved as it is to try and not die immediately

[fast heart]

Is commissar's cap not showing hair fixed?

[kind scarab]

But they nerf'd the travel nodes we have, to make up for capstone strength

Now you're obligated to get a capstone to be as strong as before

[celest vine]

Did they add a new weapon?

[brisk umbra]

All the builds i'm coming out with still need to take only maybe 1 buff from the Keystones, otherwise you can't take the good stuff of the vet tree

[sharp ember]

yes

[orchid nova]

Seriously who thought Veteran was good before

[jaunty sphinx]

THANK GOD

[frank ledge]

Veteran tree sucks

[orchid nova]

jeez

This is a net nerf

[frank ledge]

IT AIN'T FIXED

[woeful junco]

yeah exactly

[frank ledge]

its WORSE

[brisk umbra]

Like, do i remove Iron Will now?

[frank ledge]

What is this mess

[midnight patrol]

Suffering in shitty internet lmao

[minor brook]

100 to 50 toughness shout

gulp

[fleet drift]

Whyyyyyyyyy

[fast heart]

Finally

holy shit

[brisk umbra]

Since they didn't fix Exhilarating Takedown

[strange grove]

the marksman focus needs reworked, how much uptime will you actually have in harder difficulties?

[iron marten]

VoC nerf is good, it's way too strong with 100 toughness bonus with that cooldown time lmao

[umbral scaffold]

why is everyone glossing over veterans being able to friendly fire

[untold mulch]

?

[sharp ember]

i am now going to make a glass cannon focus stacks build

[kind scarab]

None, since everything will die immediately other than bosses

[jaunty sphinx]

Guess I'll go back to ogryn

[kind scarab]

[wise hill]

Ight the update is here

[fleet drift]

Is Veteran become shit now?

[minor brook]

wait what

[midnight patrol]

For fucks sake. Now my marksman Vet has no reliable anti amrour replenishment?

[minor brook]

i can shoot my friends in the back with a plasma now?

[sharp ember]

VALHALLA

[iron marten]

50 toughness bonus is still good. VoC being able to stagger is also really strong

[umbral scaffold]

damage to allied

[vivid ocean]

rending

[fast heart]

No ushanka

[vivid ocean]

im bout to bust

[brisk umbra]

Weapon Specialist ogryn reload is actually goated with Plasma now that i think about it

[kind scarab]

Reading skill issue

[forest maple]

So they reverted the voice of command buff imediately on the next patch. WOW fatshark nice one. NOT going to use excecutioners stance either way

[thin kernel]

Do we have new cosmetics?

[minor brook]

no its just a damage buff for allies you dont hit your allies

[forest scaffold]

welp vet tree still sucks

[pulsar shore]

Why it feels like they have murdered a vet tree, all good perks have a distribution in all 3 paths (

[forest scaffold]

Wunderbar

[umbral scaffold]

you kill the tagged enemies and you can damage your allies

[forest maple]

huh?

[kind scarab]

Because they did

[orchid nova]

Okay

Atleast this part is improved

[untold mulch]

is 10 rending at 10 stacks

I barely notice

on psykanium

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, I'll give them credit there.

[fleet drift]

Even more top heavy

[strange fog]

bonus such as damage (to allies)

[kind scarab]

Top third of the vet tree is

[forest scaffold]

But holy shit is the rest of the tree completely ass

[untold mulch]

Only upgrade lmao

[midnight patrol]

can't even reach the capstones lmao

[strange fog]

bonuses to allies (its a damage bonus)

[kind scarab]

But then they shit themselves

[forest scaffold]

Like, veteran ACTUALLY needs 40 points

[sharp ember]

only 1% rending per stack? man

[umbral scaffold]

nuh uh

[forest scaffold]

for a full build now

It was just a meme last two patches

[umbral scaffold]

veterans got friendly fire now

[forest scaffold]

but he ACTUALLY needs 40 points

[untold mulch]

No no

YOU GET ONLY THE 10 RENDING AT 10+ STACKS

[sharp ember]

OOF

[untold mulch]

[forest maple]

BIG OOF

[minor brook]

maybe the devs are zealot gamers

[strange fog]

just played a game with the stacks keystone and it's horrible

[forest maple]

So shout no more protects from poxbursters, nice

[umbral scaffold]

i cant wait to shoot my allies

[untold mulch]

Looks like

[sharp ember]

i'm boutta find an excuse to leave work

[sharp ember]

did you crouch walk?

[vivid ocean]

fuck

[pulsar shore]

16 points fastest way to get 25% ammo, lmao

[minor brook]

10 rending at 10 stacks?

[forest scaffold]

ogryn needs to spend half that

[karmic musk]

"...once you kill the Tagged enemy." wait must YOU kill the tag target?

[untold mulch]

10% rending yes

[brisk umbra]

Oh god damn Confirmed Kill was gutted, i just realized

[cold mason]

How we doin future ogryns?

[minor brook]

so you need to crab walk and headshot 10 times for 10% more damage?

[fervent quiver]

Jesus, what's the point of the right tree

[brisk umbra]

from 25% and 25% to 10%+20%

[minor brook]

are you serious?

[untold mulch]

BRUH

Did we just got nerfed

[kind scarab]

Yes

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, 10% toughness not 25%

[untold mulch]

Fucking hell FATSHARK

[minor brook]

what happened

[kind scarab]

We got nerf'd in every way possible

[sharp ember]

it's a bonus after your first bonus to kill that enemy reading issue

[kind scarab]

[urban steppe]

say goodbye 👋 , not enough points ! bunt time guys !!!! buurn

[fervent quiver]

oh, and for 7.5% finesse per

[forest scaffold]

But ogryn gets +25% for heavy attacking shit

[midnight patrol]

Lmao its hard enough to survive as a marksman Vet before

[sharp ember]

NVM reading comprehension

[orchid nova]

I really wish they got rid of this stupid shit

[midnight patrol]

So they want us to use VoC but nerfed it

[untold mulch]

It took me 23 points to reach to left

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, this got nerfed too

[orchid nova]

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