veteran-class

[kind scarab]

Heavies are for things like crusher hordes

Or a congo line of shotgunners

[grim dawn]

The lmb have no penetration right ?

[dusk idol]

it does have pen

though afaik less than a charged shot

[kind scarab]

^

[sly haven]

i kinda wanna use a mk5 inf auto on melee vet so what would be good blessings for that

i just hate the revolver too much

[kind scarab]

Same as before

[dusk idol]

dumdum and fire frenzy/deathspitter

[kind scarab]

^

You can also run stripped down since you're going melee and will be running at enemies

[brisk sapphire]

Stripped down cool too

[dusk idol]

stripped down is also a very viable pick i've heard

[kind scarab]

It would mean that you can run through gunfire, without taking damage to get into melee with enemies

[dusk idol]

can't speak on it since i've never used it myself

[kind scarab]

Stripped down is just a melee vets friend

It makes gunfire not exist while you're running. And if you have duck and dive (which you should on melee vet) you have infinite stamina while being shot.

[dusk idol]

if you're confident in dodge and sliding though i'd say you could probably free up a blessing slot for more damage

and there's nothing cooler than sliding under a sniper shot while you're running him down

[kind scarab]

I always thought the sniper was a woman

Like the trapper and flamer

[dusk idol]

i have no idea

they don't talk

only kick you in the face

[kind scarab]

Totally a woman.

They're our three femme fatale

Naturally they'd make all the females specialists

[dusk idol]

the mutie is a female

[kind scarab]

Ones the crazy cat lady

(trapper)

One's the crazy one that'll burn your house and shit down

Ones the ex military shit, cause bitches love cannons (points if you get that reference)

[vivid tangle]

which of the infantry lasguns is generally considered the best woudl y'all say?

[kind scarab]

MK12

[fathom edge]

1 or 4

[dusk idol]

sniper is a dude

[kind scarab]

Grab Headhunter + Deadly accurate

[dusk idol]

he has a male grunt when you hurt/shove him

[vivid tangle]

oki ty

[kind scarab]

Nah nah, she just smokes really heavily

Got that 50 year smoker lung, and nurgle rot

[dusk idol]

they're all good enough that it's personal preference

use what you like

[bold ibex]

was thinking of swapping +4% crit for flak since I mostly use it to take out gunners, flamers, and trappers ASAP.

[serene bough]

I prefer Mg4 but i think current best is mg1a

[fathom edge]

i do think the 1 is just better than the 12 now, though i could be wrong, but they all still are good, just now the 1 and 4 are much better and the 12 isnt as supreme anymore

[serene bough]

MG4 & MG1a have higher DPS than MG12, but MG12 still hits reliable breakpoints that the other two may not

[kind scarab]

Laspistol is a crit weapon keep the crit chance and just stack more of it

[opaque crane]

What’s the optimal level for grabbing t2 blessings?

Trying to get manstopper for the lawbringer and I’ve got a new vet around level 10.

[rapid hull]

Why are you grabbing t2 blessings?

[forest scaffold]

uh

[opaque crane]

Because I want to put manstopper on my lawbringer instead of flechette

[forest scaffold]

Fuck it

I'm just gonna say no

[rapid hull]

If you aren’t lvl 30 yet don’t worry about gear yet

[forest scaffold]

I can't even be assed to try and roll some decent ones

MGiv and MG1a haven't had their damage buffed

So there's no reason that they'd magically have more DPS than the MG12 outta nowhere

[bold ibex]

the only thing you should care about is putting +10%xp on all your curios

[opaque crane]

I am level 30 on all chars I just made a new one for this single purpose

[forest scaffold]

When the MG12 has always had more Damage and more DPS

[opaque crane]

Cause it’s difficult to grab those t2 blessings on a 30 char

[white minnow]

manstopper is a t2-only blessing, which is why they're asking about it

[bold ibex]

then roll for it on your zealot and use the t4 blessing on your veteran?

[white minnow]

motherfucker it's t2-only

it doesn't exist at t1 or t3 or t4

[tropic imp]

Or just upgrade 320 brunt weapons to blue

[junior grail]

I'm doing better on mg1a and mg4 than mg12 in this current patch tbh

[bold ibex]

motherfucker you can just say it's "t2 only"

[junior grail]

That holo sight trying to kiss me with every mg12 shot gets annoying after a while

[bold ibex]

You can be right without being a bitch about it.

[white minnow]

i'm a bitch about it because it's the second time somebody remarked on the conversation without being aware that it's a t2-only blessing

[sly haven]

lasguns having recoil at all is stupid fucking nonsense bullshit

[white minnow]

just shut the fuck up about things that you don't know about

[sly haven]

lasguns are lasguns BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO RECOIL

[ruby totem]

I heard there's a lore reason for it or smthn idk

[junior grail]

Gas ejection or something

[ruby totem]

I am also equipped with gas ejection

[junior grail]

You can eject me anytime

[forest scaffold]

the recoil thing is a gameplay concession

guns feel weird to shoot in video games if the gun doesn't move around

[serene sage]

revolver hits harder than bolter bro

[languid terrace]

Lasgun have recoil in the novel though

[junior grail]

They dooo

[sly haven]

some planets, for whatever mother fucking reason known only to the omnissiah himself, build lasguns with artificial recoil

[bold ibex]

Man, it's a weird, misunderstood quirk with videogame itemization. Not whatever happened to you in childhood to make you so edgy. Calm down.

[forest scaffold]

Oh, that has an in-lore reason

most PDF are trained on auto-guns.

Solid shot guns, in other words.

[white minnow]

not much of a misunderstanding to be had when I directly said it was t2-only before you commented

[forest scaffold]

The guns having recoil, artificial or otherwise, makes them easier to adapt to as they're not having to re-learn new muscle memory.

And most Guardsmen come from PDF

[junior grail]

Almost wanted to correct you until i saw the spacing hahaha

[sly haven]

shit lore reason

[junior grail]

Well established PDFs even become Guard Regiments such as Mordians

[forest scaffold]

That's the in-lore reason for artificial recoil on lasguns

[serene sage]

like the docyument?

[forest scaffold]

Planetary Defense Force

[junior grail]

I'll stick to the lore that the gas release cause a bit of recoil

[sly haven]

gas from what

it's a laser

with a battery

photon particles with no fuckin mass

[junior grail]

Can't remember exactly, was it the cooling system?

I stopped questioning a long while back hahaha

[languid terrace]

I don't think the artificial recoil thing is always the case. Vitrian Dragoons' lasgun has an actual recoil. One of Tarnith's tried shooting the lasgun and it basically knocked him to the ground.

[serene bough]

theyre lasguns at the end of the day

variations dont change much between marks

[bold ibex]

Only if you're very special and can't read the post times. Did you know, people online can reply at about the same time? No? Well believe it or not, it happens.

[junior grail]

Except guns like Rippers

[kind scarab]

Technically, if the photon density is large enough, you could have some recoil. But I imagine at that point you'd be shooting so much "laser" you'd punch through everything in existence

[serene bough]

im talking about infantry lasguns

[sly haven]

executing the heretic behind artificial lasgun recoil is now priority ultimate

[forest scaffold]

uh

That's just not true

[junior grail]

Yep yep I know, just pointing at other marks for comparison

[forest scaffold]

The MG12 and the MG1a are surprisingly close

The MGiv is unuseably bad

[serene bough]

dont think so

[forest scaffold]

Definitely a "I'm gonna need to be carried" weapon

[serene bough]

oops wrong quote

[serene bough]

dont think so

[white minnow]

also very special to tell somebody to use the non-existent t4 variant of a blessing

[grim oak]

Only lasgun I like is the lucius helbore series. I've tried many times to warm up to those, but I just love killing things with a bayonet

[serene bough]

i use the mg4 a lot its definitely a very good weapon

[white minnow]

just shut up about things that you don't know about, and I won't have a problem

because I'm not fond of correcting misinformation

[serene bough]

only thing is you'll need to live with carpel tunnel or get the autoclicker mod

[forest scaffold]

I don't think I've ever seen you upset before.

[junior grail]

I just want mk 3 slash to have less delay, kinda fun using it as a pseudo halberd

[bold ibex]

Not especially. It's a pretty obvious change from the expectation and an error others made as well. Having a panic attack over needing to correct two people with your super superior special videogame knowledge is what's actually special.

Though I think we both know you actually love an excuse to mouth off and cuss out strangers over a videogame. So. You're welcome. I look forward to the next time I can help you out with that. ❤️

[forest scaffold]

Frustrated?

[grim oak]

Wait, riddle me this, do one of the kantrael variants have a bayonet attached?

[forest scaffold]

I think frustrated is more accurate.

[bold ibex]

Honestly honey, I should really charge you for this level of catharsis.

[white minnow]

i'm being pretty aggressive yeah

[grim oak]

Haven't played in awhile

[white minnow]

but I'm prob just going to take this attitude to people who just spout misinformation out of nowhere

[junior grail]

I guess you could mod it in but functionally no

[forest scaffold]

Understandable. I get the same way about planting the shield over on ogryn

[grim oak]

I see

I'll just stick with my lucius pattern

[forest scaffold]

I know its not super rational or fair, but I just can't be assed to keep saying the same things over and over again when people refuse to just accept that planting the shield is dogass bad

[junior grail]

Helbores are great so go on king

[forest scaffold]

helbore 3 makes me sad

[bold ibex]

Please stop spouting misinformation. Misinformation is purposefully and maliciously misleading someone, not a person making a mistake about video-game abilities and then conceding after.

If you wanna justify your hissy, dont' spread misinformation to do it. ❤️

[forest scaffold]

It has the longest charge time, and on top of it, it has a delay before you can fire it after shooting

[white minnow]

precise definitions aside, I don't see the point to bring up information that you're not even certain about

[sharp ember]

mk1 gang

[junior grail]

Yea as much as I love mk3, i wish the delay was reduced too

[forest scaffold]

I won't say the mk3 is bad

Its just not a weapon for me.

[placid portal]

Mk3 laser musket gang

[languid terrace]

Bad weapon swap speed though. So I prefer plasma over helbore.

[forest scaffold]

I much prefer the mk1 helbore.

[placid portal]

True it is not for everyone

[grim oak]

Also, why do some* low level players queue up for higher ranked matches, then leave if they die to the green ghost thingy?

[raw steppe]

Hes actually wrong too lul

[placid portal]

Yes

[forest scaffold]

Its basically taken over the role of the mk2 helbore from before patch 13

[bold ibex]

I dunno. Why do you keep bringing up terms you aren't certain about their 'precise definitions' of? How dare you use a word incorrectly. I'm gonna cry now. D:

[junior grail]

Mk3 is when you REALLY want that Reaper dead in one shot

[placid portal]

On crit

[junior grail]

Surgical helps there

[forest scaffold]

Speaking of, seems that there's 3 viable perkerinos on the plasma gun

[placid portal]

Or volley fire

That helps

[forest scaffold]

Unyielding, Carapace, Maniac, Elites

so four

I'd say any combination of the four is totally acceptable, with Maniac being the most important

[gleaming turtle]

Sell me on it. I haven't played enough with any of the Helbores but I keep seeing people say that the Mk. 3 is the "good one" but I am curious what your thoughts are.

[placid portal]

Love how the dmg profile vs carapace for helbores are misleading as heck

[junior grail]

Plasma is just in such a good place now

[forest scaffold]

Its highly reliant on surgical on the infinite ammo talent on veteran

[raw steppe]

Its pretty overtuned lol

[placid portal]

17 dmg on charged sure....

[languid terrace]

People like big damage, so they prefer mk3.

[raw steppe]

Do u think bugged surge is also in a good place 🤭

[forest scaffold]

If you run Surgical+Onslaught you have a solid foundation for firing speed and infinite ammo

And the mk3 helbore has a ton of one-shot breakpoints

[junior grail]

I avoid using that until its fixed hahaha

[forest scaffold]

As long as you can deal with its clunky firing issue, its a totally fine weapon

[raw steppe]

Well plasma is also busted LOL

[forest scaffold]

Very, very good, even.

[serene bough]

cant stand helbores

[forest scaffold]

I'd hardly call plasma busted.

[serene bough]

great weapons but so slow on the draw

[forest scaffold]

It eats ammo left and right, which is a team-wide resource.

[languid terrace]

As someone who have been playing plasma since the game launched, I'd say plasma is in a very good place now.

[raw steppe]

Lol aint no way

[forest scaffold]

And isn't super responsive to changes in the battlefield.

[languid terrace]

At least you don't take health damage when venting heat.

[willow badger]

what do

[junior grail]

Not as bad as Surge bug, I'm fine if the cleave is reduced to 60 from 100 or something

[forest scaffold]

And that's the final piece of the puzzle, its heat mechanics.

[junior grail]

Its manstopping time

[grim oak]

I've gone through some matches without ever needing to resupply whilst using a lucius mk2

[forest scaffold]

change both perks to flak/maniac

[willow badger]

aight

[forest scaffold]

or throw the weapon away

your choice

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[south garnet]

more like its suck ass bugged up dumbchanics am I right

[raw steppe]

There's no way you actually think its not overtuned

[languid terrace]

Replace crit dmg with maniac, scattershot with no respite.

[forest scaffold]

no

scattershot actually gives you pretty good damage on shotguns now

[raw steppe]

Its giga overstatted and has xbox levels of aim assist

[grim oak]

Just queue for damnation and use a combat knife

[forest scaffold]

Not as much as no respite

but if you're gonna do that

replace man-stopper

[south garnet]

it's the same size and thermal properties too

[willow badger]

i got full bore 3

[languid terrace]

Slug shottie have a very tight spread.

[junior grail]

I still see Vets pretending to be Periled Psykers a lot haha

[forest scaffold]

No

[grim oak]

Lmao twas a joke

[languid terrace]

So scattershot seems useless on this slug shottie to me.

[raw steppe]

The agri shotty?

[serene bough]

not sure how much scattershot benefits on the slug

[raw steppe]

You dont scattershot on that onelol

[serene bough]

but overall its just a good blessing for shotgun dps

for the other two shotguns at least

[junior grail]

If slug could pierce 3 enemies then maybe...

[placid portal]

Slugs having no pierce despite doming bulwarks and reapers in 1 shot

[grim oak]

Lucius Mk2 + combat knife + krak is my only loadout (atm, as I'm still leveling my alt)

[placid portal]

Zamn

[raw steppe]

If they made it so the special reload animation

Was affected by reload speed

[junior grail]

Mk 2 is very reliable

[grim oak]

I'd love to use a shovel, but I like my knife.

[placid portal]

That would be nice

[raw steppe]

That would be sick as fuck

[languid terrace]

Yes, bring back infinite shotgun pierce please. This time only for slug shot.

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-gif-23761134

Knife vs poxxies

[grim oak]

YESSSS

[languid terrace]

Still remember that bug. People were using fire shotgun because it pierce through everything.

[placid portal]

Even map terrain xpp

[grim oak]

But I'm screwed if the rest of the team is downed and I'm getting chased with no ammo by a helluva lotta enemies

[languid terrace]

It is like a teaser for melta gun.

[placid portal]

No Infiltrate?

[jaunty herald]

What kind of blessings should be found on an infantry autogun?

[copper cedar]

What perks am i looking for an the mk3 helbore?

[vague charm]

should I grab born leader or competitive urge?

[grim oak]

Mostly on cooldown, otherwise idk

Gotta go back to check my build

[jaunty herald]

surgical and onslaught

[raw steppe]

Depends on the gun, generally perks are more impactful than blessings, but ppl use dmg, power and close tange dmg on hit/kill

[copper cedar]

That's blessings friend.

[jaunty herald]

crap, my bad

The usual Flak/Maniac when in doubt

[raw steppe]

So i would prio getting the correct perks

[bold ibex]

I'd consider +crit chance and possibly +crit damage, or a enemy type that you're killing.

...well. Maybe skip crit chance if you run dead aim and enough +stamina regen delay reduction nodes to always have stamina for every shot.

[grim oak]

something that's confused me for a little while, wtf does hadron even do?

[copper cedar]

surgical guarantees a crit.

[grim oak]

thought it was so you could increase a weapon's stats or its initial dmg

[bold ibex]

If you're running surgical, then crit damage and a enemy type of yoru choice

[raw steppe]

Check your breakpoints in meat grinder and perk accordingly

Check gunner, shotgunner, flamer and reaper BPs is what I would recommend

[languid terrace]

But what I really want is Heavy shotgun with Endurant shield on veteran.

[torn inlet]

my last game as vet was with 3 psykers. wdym team wide? /s

[serene sage]

would be a cool concept, basically you forfeit your melee for that

interesting balancing too

[terse shell]

I've spent 10k plasteel trying to roll power cycler iv

fml

got loads of cycler iii but no dice

[languid terrace]

And stub revolver with scope please. We are supposed to be sharpshooter.

[gleaming turtle]

Now wait until you try and get Sunder and Power Cycler 4 on the same weapon, lmao.

[forest blaze]

Shorpscooter

[gleaming turtle]

I mean... you can do that right now.

[terse shell]

just let me put a scope on bolter

[languid terrace]

You mean with mod?

[gleaming turtle]

Yes

[neon briar]

i tried putting a sight on revolver with the mod, but went back to ironsights in the end

just blocks too much of your view

using crosshair remap to put a little chevron there in ADS was much better for me

[gleaming turtle]

Dang bros, I just realized I don't even own a Bolter.

[bold ibex]

check the shop every reset. I got my first power cycler 4 in the meltbucks shop. Then got another from Brunt's shop.

[languid terrace]

Just wait until it shows up in limited time daily store.

[plush kernel]

sir milk does not like me very much

i haven't seen a single power cycler

[placid portal]

Rip

[sly haven]

cause he's set to drop certain blessings very very rarely

[placid portal]

Pray for PC IV

Got brutal momentum and power cycler 4 on my Powersword

Mk3

[languid terrace]

I prefer Slaughterer on powersword.

[serene bough]

bromentum is nice for that extra poke damage

[placid portal]

Really nice when cleaving through trashmobs as well

Saves cleave damage iirc

[languid terrace]

I feels like ps already cleave through every trash mob when you charged your blade.

[serene sage]

hecking sword dude

[serene bough]

yeah i dont notice a difference either

[serene sage]

give it to me

[serene bough]

its my poke stick

you cannot hav eit

[serene sage]

why not

[placid portal]

Its mine now

[serene bough]

heathens hands off my stick

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/pov_you_disagree-gif-27435616

[river escarp]

Why do Orgyn players have this need to always go between you and what you are aiming at ?

[serene sage]

Excellent question.

Next.

[hidden reef]

Why single out the big lads? Literally everyone does it to me, including other vets ... especially other vets sometimes -_-

[languid terrace]

Just use plasma and free yourself from ogryngate.

[river escarp]

Havent had the chance to get one yet

Playing with 2 Orgyns now they woke up the DH too

[languid terrace]

I use Ogryn shield combo with my friend plasma. Have a blast watching my friend killing sniper and shooter behind slabshield.

[copper cedar]

Good ogryn will hug the walls

[hidden reef]

Naw, honestly it doesn't matter where the Ogryn is, if has between you and a heretic, just let him have it. Plenty of other targets.

[fathom wedge]

Guessing drop unarmored for maniacs?

[gleaming turtle]

I really, really, really hope that they changed Executioner's Stance so while it is activated, your weapons can shoot through allies, because CHRIST. I am really starting to get tired of using the Plasma Gun despite putting up huge numbers with it and playing the gacha with millions of dockets and Plasteel to get a near perfect one, but the capability to fire through the Ogryn in front of you is just... God, man.

[haughty marlin]

is tactical axe any good at all?

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah.

[haughty marlin]

or flak

if you're close to gunner bodyshot

[sharp ember]

taxe is an underdog weapon right now, not enough uplifting qualities to make it a high-end choice

[hidden reef]

I stopped using Executioner as soon as I could because the average team ensured I never got to actually use it lol

[haughty marlin]

thoughts on those blessings? do you need headtaker or something?

[hearty panther]

I do HT + Deci on mine, Shred if I'm crit Zealot

[sharp ember]

headtaker + decimator is a common combo, but All or Nothing isn't horrible if you push attack often

[placid portal]

Ngl I fell into the rashad axe gaming

Feels so good melee killing crushers so fast

[bold ibex]

headtaker is the way to go if you're picking either it or decimator, since decimator falls off a ton with spamming any attacks and just is a super short duration. But that's a good enough combo you can figure out if you like it or not

[trail totem]

what perk do i get if i only use it as a piss off stick for ragers and maulers

[placid portal]

Brutal momentum blessing

[sharp ember]

flak, since flak ragers exist and maulers are flak on body

[placid portal]

Push attack light combo kills em if you headshot

[sharp ember]

i suggest overwriting Specialists

[gleaming turtle]

Exactly man, it's so fucking awful.

[sharp ember]

stamina will actually be useful

[bold ibex]

maniac/flak if doing both.

[sharp ember]

he doesn't have mod slots for both*

[trail totem]

thats a suicide with 3+ of them

i just stagger them to death with power up

[gleaming turtle]

Sunder is much better than BM.

[bold ibex]

oh, i thought both were just magnifying glass symbols. Yeah, then flak is the way to go for just one

[placid portal]

Do what you will

[bold ibex]

What's the point of Sunder? Energized attacks already cut through everything, more or less. I'm not sure what MORE cleave will do

[gleaming turtle]

@trail totem Take Maniac, because you can't get a light attack breakthrough with that damage and finesse on Carapace, but you will still hurt them a lot. This would be really good, but man, those perks...

[trail totem]

it chokes on carapace without sunder

[gleaming turtle]

Controls packs on Auric extremely well.

Also what Dzecar said

[bold ibex]

Oh, fair. I wonder if wrath does enough as an option, that's what i have on my non-dueling powersword. Wrath four is... 250 cleave I think, fully stacked?

[gleaming turtle]

@bold ibex watch this for why you want Sunder.

[late hatch]

there are 2 diff cleaves, hitmass and armor cleave. sunder gives you big armor cleave. energised attacks gives you big hitmass cleave

[bold ibex]

And +250% cleave from wrath wouldn't give anything beyond hitmass cleave? Huh

[cinder adder]

PSA use Only in Death Does Duty End with your Commanding Shout, it costs 1 point and is probably the most clutch ability in game

[late hatch]

correct, cleave from wrath is hitmass not armor

[keen wharf]

not bad.

[bold ibex]

...now I want sunder on my dueling sword, yes. :<

It has +25% maniac/carapace, power cycler/+brittleness on energized. Which... doesn't seem to do a ton, tbh.

but the day I find another 377 sword with that and sunder is probably not any time soon D:

[sharp ember]

do you have any data sources about this armor cleave

[fresh dome]

What to change on this sword

[bold ibex]

wrath to powercycler 4

sprint efficiency to +25% flak or carapace

[late hatch]

brittle mostly shines vs bosses. it does deff add up with crusher packs etc

[random cobalt]

just now realizing this penance only applies for the unupgraded version of scavenger

[spring spindle]

Is there any worth to the Tac axe for any of the classes at all?

[gleaming turtle]

Nah, it's bugged regardless.

[random cobalt]

guhh

agonizing.

[serene bough]

it brings crackhead energy to the team

[bold ibex]

Ahh okay. I guess it works out since I mostly use it for bosses or doing one crusher at a time.

[spring spindle]

Because it’s the weapon I get constantly good stats for

But I never want to use it

[sharp ember]

slightly more useful for zealots with crit builds, but they usually run knife

[languid terrace]

I actually forget that penance exists in this game. Stopped doing all penance after unlocking all the cosmetics.

[bold ibex]

it's fun to get all the +power blessings for hitting stuff a lot... and then hitting stuff a lot.

Not the best option but it will kill just about everything fairly quickly.

[languid terrace]

Took me 1 whole month to do it without exploits.

[trail totem]

its kinda fun to m1 horde with power+BM blessings but is inferior to most other options

[spring spindle]

Hmmm. I will try it on some of the other classes. To be fair. For as much shit as I give it, I haven’t actually used it. It just feels… weird

[river escarp]

Should I change Shred for Decapitator ?

[sharp ember]

decapitator? not a fan

[river escarp]

wanna try it out

Tried the % to insta kill on my Orgyn weapon and now Maulers and Maniacs are as soft as butter

[sharp ember]

now that one i love

[trail totem]

you can only stack decapitator reliably on horde

[sharp ember]

funny to whack 4 ragers from full hp in 1 swing

[river escarp]

True that homie

[trail totem]

not sure if enemies damaged by your team still count as "oneshotted"

[river escarp]

Hitting a mauler and he just decides that it aint worth it and takes a nap

[languid terrace]

2 handed axe for veteran plz

[trail totem]

while being the highest damage buff you can get on caxe it just doesnt work when you need it to

[urban steppe]

which infatry lasgun have high dps ?

[sharp ember]

all of them if you aim straight

[river escarp]

MG Ia does pretty good dmg but guzzles ammo like a v8. I prefer the MG IV personally

[trail totem]

mg4 and 1a have roughly the same dps after the buff but breakpoints on them suck massively

[dapper vessel]

Shred for Brutal momentum

[river escarp]

Is stacking Headtaker and Decimator a viable strategy ?

[bold ibex]

After using it... it's a fun meme. But... Headtaker+Brutal Momentum is way better. Decimator falls off stupid fast and disapears when you miss a swing.

[golden axle]

After playing with the agri brauto for several rounds I dont really get it? Is there a specific way to use it (aside from never bracing already got that) because it just seems kinda meh compared to some better options right now.

[bold ibex]

Where as Brutal Momentum will do pretty comparable damage most of the time if you smack them in the face

[river escarp]

Why is BM the meta right now tho is it the extra weak point dmg or the ignore mass ?

[bold ibex]

Yes.

[river escarp]

Both ?

Okay

[bold ibex]

Yup. Weak point damage isn't as much as some other options... but that + you kill someone, you cleave everything, is real good

[river escarp]

I've been using the Fire Team aura since the tree update and Its pretty good.

[bold ibex]

If you're running something like a boltor or you're spamming shotgun to all the things, you're kinda SOL... but otherwise, both the other options are pretty good. +Movespeed is fun for melee vets for sure. 5% might not sound like a ton but it's noticeable.

[sharp ember]

not bracing is outdated info, it's good enough now for eliminating vertical recoil so you can crouch still and fire fairly accurate volleys

they're good comfy guns, but if you have good aim, an IAG will serve you better because they have almost as much ammo and huge headshot damage

taking the suppression talent with a brauto is actually hilarious, you'll get a whole gunner patrol to cower in place by firing 5 rounds

[golden axle]

will try the suppression thing for funsies but will probably move over to an IAG

[bold ibex]

is there a good resource on how supression works? I kinda get how it plays out in practice but... my understanding is pretty vague.

no supression talents = gunners are a bad time

[golden axle]

Excellent question, probably a poor answer.

[umbral scaffold]

this worth getting?

[golden axle]

stats are lovely but id want to reroll every single thing on it soooo

[sharp ember]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2909606925&searchtext=suppression this guide might be outdated, but it has a list of weapon suppression values and a linked second guide of enemy suppression resistances

[golden axle]

that illustration

[placid portal]

Perfect veteran aristian work

[forest blaze]

All I know is that with the +25% suppression on plasma it only takes 1 shot into a group of shooters to get them to scatter

I didn’t feel a difference at +50% but I didn’t try that in AM

[sharp ember]

heavy weapons like plasma and bolter have a substantial aoe effect around enemies they kill, so they may not need it

like you explode one guy in the middle of the group and everyone around him goes "oh shit he exploded"

[forest blaze]

Pretty much

I don’t see it happen in melee hordes

[sharp ember]

melee enemies except pathetic groaners ignore suppression

[placid portal]

Nobody likes to shoot when an ogryn is ripping up a new hole with a stubba

[forest blaze]

That explains that

[sharp ember]

shotgunners are immune to suppression too

[golden axle]

roach scatter

[placid portal]

They do stagger if you do the destealth from infiltrate

[sharp ember]

anyone else with a gun should be fair game, though i have never been confident at suppressing snipers, i feel like they try to get 1 shot off before they react

[forest blaze]

Yes. This is the best way I’ve seen myself.

[forest blaze]

My experience too

[sharp ember]

that might be a special quality of infiltrate to force the suppression status

[forest blaze]

Infiltrate suppress/stagger has been really good.

[placid portal]

Useful when in a clusterfuck

[sharp ember]

kinda funny when they go "oooh scary veteran"

[forest blaze]

Had a tough AD game earlier where I basically could only spend time resurrecting my blueberry teammates

[placid portal]

Ofc VoC is just better in those situation imo

[serene bough]

id be scared too if a british person just appeared out of thin air

[golden axle]

Nurgle never told me about this shit

[placid portal]

Agreed he might do the london handshank

[forest blaze]

I’ve found that the reposition, clutch, and objective capabilities of infiltrate have just been way more valuable in pugs than VoC

[serene bough]

bolter gaming

bolter on melee enemies only is good

[forest blaze]

VoC is better with a team that isn’t completely worthless. Infiltrate I’ve had far more success with 2-3 brain dead teammates

[serene bough]

(the auric modifier i mean)

[golden axle]

spudems needs to wake up a bit

[obtuse dawn]

I'm trying to do a shout plasma vet with power sword, I spend a lot of time in melee, should I go all the down the right tree?

[placid portal]

Infiltrate got that "Sounds like a lot of Not my Problem" and do your job before teammates die

They just delete everything before I can get a shot xp

[forest blaze]

Pretty much. The only problems I have are the ones I choose to deal with and I have enough resources to deal with every problem. Let’s me prioritize better

[placid portal]

Tru

[serene bough]

i do like maximizing revive speed on vet

[forest blaze]

1 sec

[serene bough]

especially useful with stealth

[sharp ember]

totally fine, you can just use plasma like a fat revolver and whip it out when something needs to die

[placid portal]

Just dont stand between teammatws when reviving getting in cross fire sucks

[forest blaze]

@obtuse dawn

[forest blaze]

This is my build for plas + ps

[placid portal]

I usually use infiltrate as scouting and putting in my nose in

[forest blaze]

Yah I don’t use infil for any of that

[serene bough]

what do i do vet chat

[placid portal]

Find a new one

Save surgical if you must

[lucid notch]

uhh dump stat for MK VI Power sword?

[serene bough]

is it unredeemable

i feel like surgical + maniac is pretty good

[golden axle]

sustained - > onslaught ranged weak to flak/cara? if you are adamant on this roll but 62% damage is :\

[serene bough]

idk how much itll actually affect the weapon

doesnt the mk3 helbore already do insane overkill

[keen sleet]

Just got this as an Emperor's gift

[sharp ember]

cleave damage/targets

[golden axle]

youd have to test that but its possible to miss BPs

[sharp ember]

blessings and activating your sword carries your cleaves

[stuck wave]

guys I have figured it out, i know how to fix veteran

just take it all away

[serene bough]

never trust anime

[stuck wave]

make lasgun shots rain from orbit instead

[serene bough]

lol what

[quaint valve]

How can we save this?

[stuck wave]

I had to endure playing like that

[forest blaze]

?

[stuck wave]

but im glad I could bring salvation to veteran

[sharp ember]

put on a blessing you 100% don't want so you don't get it from upgrading, so you can swap it off after upgrading

[golden axle]

Not great but weakspot to maniac and i guess supercharge to PC4

[forest blaze]

The rule for power swords is power cycler or bin

[midnight mortar]

Not sure what you mean by "protect".

The only thing you can do to a weapon is refine perks or rebless.

[quaint valve]

have PC, just not sure what to replace. I guess keep BM even if tier 1 since its not that much of a difference in weak spot damage

[forest blaze]

Yeah might as well

Put maniac on it and it’s good to party

[river escarp]

Take your Swing, take your Swing

[quaint valve]

wanted a 550 weapon, no luck yet since start of game

[golden axle]

dont really need one

difference between 500ish-550 is going to typically be not noticeable

[forest blaze]

^^

[quaint valve]

sure but monkey brain wants perfect weapons

[forest blaze]

I’ve been using a 486 PS for forever in AM and it’s always done me just fine tbh

[golden axle]

then you are at the Gacha's mercy

[desert hawk]

Which one do I pick?

[heavy parcel]

i wonder if this workable with pininngshot bolter..

[celest vine]

You were so close to having a 550 stat weapon

Thats the highest stat you can get

This close to greatness

[quaint valve]

😆 i know

rng said no

[celest vine]

But change brutal momentum for energized

No i mean power cycler

Weakspot to maniac

Youll have to suffer with a 535 stat

💀

[sharp ember]

middle, dumdum 4 and flakiac

and a magazine size that's an even number

[quaint valve]

THIS

[serene sage]

Bolter kinda needs Survivalist. You can try it without but you'll feel the ammo pinch.

Other than that, Tinkered Frag Nade is a much better companion to Bolter than Krak!

Just make sure you grab Frag with Tinkered, otherwise stay with Krak.

[heavy parcel]

got it.

[formal relic]

Is it worth trying to fish for a better plasma gun?

[gleaming turtle]

Absolutely.

[edgy condor]

Does anyone know, if I'm going for that penance that requires 90% accuracy in a mission and ending with no ammo left, if using a shotgun, as long as you land at least 1 pellet, that shot fully counts as a hit right, and doesn't count against your accuracy?

[bold ibex]

If you'r running surgical/pinning shot, you can play around a good bit lower in the trees. I like cutting out the non-reload talents higher up, personally, to excessive toughness regen on elite kill. Then you can choose between the psuedo capstone and having the team toughness regen. Or perhaps some of the greneade abilities.

and since you're less able to chain the class skill to full refund due to boltor reloads, the class refund on kill isn't bad.

[formal relic]

Only one pellet needs to hit, yeah

[edgy condor]

cool, i tired doing it with a bolt and it just struggled too much with too many shots missing cause the enemy was already dead, or misclick and it would fire a burst instead of single shot. Hoping a shotgun might prove easier to ensure every shot at least hits something

[formal relic]

Personally I used a plasma gun

[bold ibex]

i'm tempted to replace infernus with deadly accurate 1. It's 70%+ crit damage on weakspot but... it feels like it'd still probably do more, wouldn't it?

[lament matrix]

Any tips for "make every shot count"?

[gaunt hinge]

dont miss

[mystic belfry]

Just take a single shot gun and aim very carefully

[celest vine]

Change infernus 4 to headhunter

[quaint valve]

deadly accurate better on most targets

[celest vine]

No wait

Uh the headshot crit ine

[gaunt hinge]

[celest vine]

Deadly accureate thats the one

💀

[bold ibex]

Right right, deadly accurate. I only have 1 unlocked rn though.

[bold ibex]

yeah i just... I never see it actually DO anything. But by my luck, burn will get buffed the moment i mod it out D:

abnd should I swap +25% flak to +10% crit damage? Since.... everything's crittin

[celest vine]

Infernus and headhunter ping pong off eachother very well tho

[mystic belfry]

And

[celest vine]

Dont chance to deadly accurate until you roll a lvl 4

[quaint valve]

flak is good

also burn is only good against high health targets

[mystic belfry]

Crit damage is rarely worth it even on a crit build

If you're a crit build, crit chance can be good

[gaunt hinge]

so is deadly accurate

[civic mango]

Close to max level on my Veteran, looking to gear up my weapons next. What are some of the top picks at the moment?

[bold ibex]

does it work differently than +flak damage?

[mystic belfry]

Crit damage only effects the bonus damage of the crit, not the entire damage roll

[quaint valve]

deadly accurate can help with breakpoints though no?

[celest vine]

Yes

I think a few

[mystic belfry]

So random example. if you do 10 damage, plus 10 crit damage, +10% crit would give you 21 damage, not 22.

[bold ibex]

Ahh. Right right, I forgot that. thank you for reminding me

[mystic belfry]

Np

[celest vine]

Its good anyway

It used to be worthless

[bold ibex]

So you do need something insane like +100 crit damage to be meaningful. Where +25% flat against flak is just gonna be a better time all around

[quaint valve]

lots of options, plasma gun + powerswords + chainsword + columnus autogun + hellbore 3

[mystic belfry]

It's good if it hits a specific breakpoint on a crit build

But it's pretty specific

[celest vine]

Like 20% more

[bold ibex]

I guess I'll just wait to see if I get a deadly accurate 4 then and make my decision then

[celest vine]

Its the difference for me one hitting a scab and dreg gunner

[mystic belfry]

Imo, claw swords have the greatest utility of any vet melee

[celest vine]

With the 1A

[bold ibex]

cuz compared to my deadly accurate 3 headhunter 4 autogun, lasgun does so much less

[south garnet]

been thinking about the statistics behind getting a weapon with properly allocated stat arrays, successfully rolled blessings of acceptable tiers, and obtaining reasonably useful perks lately

[civic mango]

I haven't tried the columnus or plasma gun yet. Powersword feels nice but I might try chainsword again. I'm sad Vets don't get access to the Eviscerator, yet have 7 different axes

[mystic belfry]

Autoguns are solid

[south garnet]

and I'm not happy about it

[mystic belfry]

The crafting system is awful, yeah

Like complete garbage

[quaint valve]

was about to say too that claw sword is amazing once you get a hang of it. I got converted to it on vet and havent looked back

[celest vine]

We can be twins

[civic mango]

the riposte is very nice on the claw

[celest vine]

[bold ibex]

idk about the statistics, but it takes me about 20-40 hours to get a good roll+weapon.

The real unforgiveable thing was them massively buffing and nerfing blessings but not resetting the mod slots, so all the old modded weapons needed replaced

[south garnet]

yes. I mean, at face value "gambling" seems alright, except that even gambling isn't pure rng

[civic mango]

Though for the columnus, which mark do you prefer?

[quaint valve]

anytime i run auric its always claw by my side

[south garnet]

it took me 900 hours, most of them on vet, to get cycler 4

alone

[celest vine]

You can take my luck

[bold ibex]

wild, almost creepy how similar they are

[celest vine]

I got it second roll

[south garnet]

and yea, having gear that isn't broken just viable, then having it completely trashed with patches

[quaint valve]

columnus infantry auto, think its mk4 MK5

[celest vine]

That right there is the greatest weapon for veteran guardsman

Courtesy of kantrael

[mystic belfry]

I don't actually care too much about the blessings on most of my gear

[bold ibex]

Right? I'm incredibly pleased by how it performs. It and laspistols are slept on

[mystic belfry]

I want gunner reduction on my curios, I want maybe one specifically good blessings on my weapons, and i want flak and something useful for the weapon

[celest vine]

Its more usefull

More versatile

[mystic belfry]

idgaf about better unless it's a main weapon

[vague charm]

should I take competetive urge or born leader?

[celest vine]

Not a specific use case that cant shoot at range

Or always hogging ammo

[mystic belfry]

Born leader is handy, but urge can potentially hit some nice breakpoints during a mixed horde

[celest vine]

We sort of passed this

Kantrael shotgun

A no ammo pickup maelstrom is your best friend

Remove scavanger

Be a melee vet with a shotgun basically

[sterile garnet]

I played for 1.3k hours on zealot and psyker

Started playing vet recently

Rolled cycler 4 on my 2nd or 3rd sword roll

[mystic belfry]

My luck on crafting for every class is complete trash tbh

[old quail]

my first ever psword i consecrated to gold had cycler 4

but this was after melk sold me it twice

lmao

[sterile garnet]

Hacker

[old quail]

im darktide jeff bezos

[mystic belfry]

On a side note, I'm slowly starting to like las pistol + claw almost as much as dagger + revolver

[bold ibex]

today i forgot +25% toughness on elite kill with my lasgun spam build. I feel so dumb D:

[bold ibex]

why do you like Claw so much and how do you build yours?

[mystic belfry]

my claw is trash atm

And mainly because the main heavy attacks are decent ,and the parry is just, both fun and neat

Your parry can one-tap ragers

[bold ibex]

owo

[mystic belfry]

Blocks overheads from crushers and bosses, etc

I would probably just put rampage and savage sweep on it

[fathom edge]

dont, dont give me hope

[mystic belfry]

This is my current totally not scuffed claw

[south garnet]

I have a theory that whatever weapon/blessing you're trying to game the system to get, the DT server detects your aura and deliberately avoids giving it to you

it senses your chakra and reverses it and sticks it in your ass

[mystic belfry]

I'm not even going to talk about how long thrust 4 took me on zealot

It hurt though

[south garnet]

lmao

[south garnet]

I feel you

[autumn perch]

D o g

[mystic belfry]

I was stuck on thrust two for so long

[south garnet]

DT on switch lookin good

[mystic belfry]

I had almost every other 4 first

[autumn perch]

iPhone port

[mystic belfry]

Jello Dog

Gelatinous Hound

[south garnet]

based, platform finally catching up to the monetization structure

the way DT was meant to be played

[autumn perch]

Tru

[sonic coyote]

Is there anything the mk6 powersword does better than the mk3?

[autumn perch]

Everything lol

[south garnet]

all if you get good

[mystic belfry]

Main tips for using claw (specifally IV, probably). Light heavy for hords, push attack or heavy one for single target damage

parry lots

[mystic belfry]

What doesn't it

[sonic coyote]

I thought people said the mk3 was better last time I checked.

[mystic belfry]

Hold up there's a video for this

https://youtu.be/ggcSlbYWTn4

[sonic coyote]

Ok thank you. Wanted to know what I need to buy 20 of to try and get a God role.

[south garnet]

rngesus be with you

[mystic belfry]

You want at least power cycler 3 (4 is a solid upgrade, but not needed), and brutal momuntum, at I think 12.5% damage

Perks are variable, watch that video for info

[sonic coyote]

spend 250,000 dockets and highest was a 365 with 56% damage. fml

[mystic belfry]

Perfect

At least dockets are easy

Btw, mobilty is dump stat per normal, but you also don't need a high roll on cleave targets

It's good to have, but brutal momentum largely does the same job better

[sonic coyote]

Got it. Thanks for the info!

[mystic belfry]

mhmm

The big deal is to make sure you have as high damage and finesse as possible, and preferably solid cleave damage too

[south garnet]

i just spent 1mil trying to get a good claw mk 4, nothing higher than 355 lol

[sonic coyote]

is this a good one then?

[mystic belfry]

Solid

Give it a shot see what ya roll

[sonic coyote]

Well at least it got the brutal momentum like you recomended.

[mystic belfry]

Swap super charge for power cycler, change melee damage, and you're good to use it for now tbh

Good enough

[ruby totem]

I continue to bring justice to the xenos via shovel in Lethal Company. Feels like I'm doing the Emperor's work still

[quaint valve]

Can this be saved?

[sonic coyote]

Got any suggestions on what melee damage to switch to?

[south garnet]

with a time machine

[mystic belfry]

Watch the video I posted :v

[sonic coyote]

Got it. Thanks again!

[bold ibex]

today i just had the bestest death.

Dodged down steps to the side, which I guess lifted me enough to count as 'falling' over the ledge. Dangle on ledge.

Less than one second later, a burster showed up and went durkadurka and, regardless of damage done, i guess it knocks you off ledge grabs

[fast scaffold]

I was looking at the reddit thread about how "vet is bad" from 23 days ago and it's so funny how little understanding people had about things back then (and now still probably)

[bold ibex]

to be fair.... Vet was pretty bad. They got nerfed down to the level of the other classes, where the other classes got buffed to where vet used to be. Fatshark's kneejerk buffs really helped a lot

[fast scaffold]

Nah I played patch 13 and still beat out everyone for awhile, imo right now we are busted, but in an unhealthy boring kinda way

[bold ibex]

for a while, until people figured out how to play their new classes.

I wouldn't call us 'busted'. Other classes can do pretty well too. It wasn't like before the reworks where vet was just... the best at everything

[trim steppe]

My favorite weapons weren't working as well during patch 13 so I used the recon build, now in patch 14 my plasma and argi are back on top and I'm happy again. Took some getting used to not relying on 75% DR in executioners to faceroll everything, but Vet is in a good spot rn. Just needs some reorg of the talent tree to not be annoying

Honestly Vet feels like both a good Vet and a good Zealot, while zealot feels pretty lackluster unless you go full zoomies

[bold ibex]

i'm really curious to see what the keystones do

if they're even half good vet's gonna be great

[atomic zephyr]

moments before disaster

[trim steppe]

Yeah vet doesn't need much right now, just slightly less talent tax and we golden

[fast scaffold]

If you take out bugs like the surge staff shenanigans or the fact that there is an unreplicatable bug for zealot that allows them to channel their symbol indefinitely , veteran is the strongest class right now, 30 second cd (reduced by 6 seconds for special kill on high stg is 100% uptime when it matters), if you build right you will never die, but every solid build relies on kill confirmed/iron resolve or w/e the toughness dr one is called at the end. You are vet from last patch except you can stagger bosses and mutants. It's too strong but it gets old

[scenic bronze]

I'm stoked for the synergy with ping spam :u

[sand hemlock]

no rashuns for jenkins

[rain crane]

what should i do w this

[trim steppe]

LOL following the ancient ways

[atomic zephyr]

he said he didnt see it, btw

[trim steppe]

did he shout LEROY first?

[bold ibex]

Nah, not even close. New vet is way weaker. I'm not arguing it's not a good class and we're not in a good place, but we just don't have the same level of any of that. also the lack of reload on ability use neutered boltors, so rip

[atomic zephyr]

no unfortunately

he didnt set it off deliberately, just potato brained it

[fast scaffold]

If you used auto reload on bolter patch 12 you weren't using the good build

[trim steppe]

I set one off today, I shot my kickback through a crate and aggro'd it from like 80m. Oopsies. We killed it just fine tho

[fast scaffold]

With the right set up bolter was counter fire king still 100% uptime with the reload feats, you just had to do tech to pull it off

[autumn perch]

Maybe he’s playing with these settings

[trim steppe]

If it were me I'd roll crit chance to flak damage. Volatile helps 80% CR plasma's so maybe leave it. You can save your second modification for later if you feel like you need to hit a different breakpoint

[bold ibex]

Idk, I'll call the build that never died, full toughness restore on demand, and circumvented Boltor's one weakness without procs or wonkiness is pretty great. And it's much less playable now than when it was.

Again. Not saying it's bad now. It's very workable. But it's not what it was

[gilded cobalt]

hows my plasma?

[south garnet]

not 73% charge rate? trash

[gilded cobalt]

oof

[south garnet]

better luck next time

nah it's alright, good gun

[gilded cobalt]

anyone know any good builds for plasma and power sword 6 vet?

talents that is

[plush kernel]

why in the world are there still psykers out there that only use assail

[gilded cobalt]

assail is a good answer for non armored stuff, such as regular shooters and gunners and stuff

so for the things that most frequnetly make a run much harder, assail is great

[plush kernel]

he was using it against maulers

and then he exploded

[gilded cobalt]

yeah, thats not good

[edgy condor]

okay, whoever said shotguns can work for "Make every shot count" penance is DEAD WRONG. I've done two heresy runs now, used all my ammo on kantrael taking note that i got a hit marker for every single shot. And no penance completion. It has to be counting missed pellets against your accuracy or something.

Also is there any way to track accuracy while a mission is ongoing, so you can see if you're staying above 90%?

[gilded cobalt]

IM WRONG, ILL ADMIT IT

it was me I think

[rain crane]

what are the bis blessings for plasma

[plush kernel]

you can't track accuracy

i used plasma for mine

[trim steppe]

This is more or less what I like to use but I usually use chainsword with plasma for quicker reaction time since plasma is a slow draw

could also switch field provisions for extra crit but I like being a team player 🤷‍♂️

[fading grove]

do two or more vets with the scavenger perk add to each other

[trim steppe]

No

Only benefit is if you break coherency, theres more area where the aura is up

[south garnet]

here is my "what on god's green earth is wrong with these pubbies, please just let me finish one hi shock dam before bed" PS + plasma build

[fast scaffold]

It was fool proof before, there's too much fool proof stuff in the game imo, for example I think DH should be pretty much an auto kill for 1 person unless you can DPS it down (witch had better design because 1. The witch had a variable degree of alertness that degraded over time 2. It only punished the person who fumbles the mechanic but lfd2 doesn't have rng variables to the degree DT does so I understand why, but maybe that's why something like the DH doesn't feel good imo.)

[trim steppe]

lmao I feel that in my bones

[gilded cobalt]

ill try that guys build first, then ill try yours after. Thank you!

[vague charm]

how comparable is the revolver to the plasma gun?

[bold ibex]

Yes. Exactly. It's no longer fool proof and everything was nerfed even if, after the balance tweaks, it's still good.

[fast scaffold]

They are both goated, revolver currently applies it's blessings to all weapons (ie hand cannon's rending on crit applies to melee weapons), plasma is great for filling the kill feed with your name with how it cleaves + how elites spawn in groups of like 6 shotgunners/gunners

[vague charm]

Yeah I was thinking about switching from the revolver to the plasma, just played a really tough round and felt like it was underperforming a bit compared to the plasma

[stone birch]

how important is the cleave targets stat on a Psword?

[gaunt hinge]

plasma can shoot through large cover which is nice

[edgy condor]

should be noted that the revolver applying it's blessing effects to melee weapons is apparently a bug, so probably not worth taking into consideration or building around, as fatshark will likely fix the bug

[trim steppe]

I usually play revolver as a sidearm, quick drawing to snipe a target then keep meleeing. Plasma I keep out all the time until I need to swat some trash. I think Plasma is stronger but thats just me

[hybrid river]

Main advantage is that the plasma scales better with bad situations because you can put out more rounds in a shorter time

[gaunt hinge]

plasma can also damage bulwark shields

which is fun

[trim steppe]

Yeah plasma has like 8x the magazine and can 2 shot all ogryn

[fast scaffold]

Revolver is good, but it shines due to the bug for sure

plasma is pretty much better as a weapon though, both of them fill the quick draw (relative to power) long reload archetype

It's definitely not intentional, but it's been known, hard to say if it wasn't understood in time for the Xbox patch authentication time

[hybrid river]

Revolver loses so much uptime from reloading if you’re constantly shooting it, I feel it’s a better fit for zealot than vet

[fast scaffold]

I like it on stealth vet

But stealth vet feels bad because no over shield toughness from shout

[hybrid river]

Stealth vet can make great use of it I agree, especially if we get a holster reload from weapon specialist

[stone birch]

I use revolver on my shouty vet

[fast scaffold]

That'd be really nice, kinda like the passive reload ability in drg

[edgy condor]

I would argue the plasma is just straight up better, having used both revolver and plasma, the revolver feels better when supplementing a primarily melee-oriented build, as a good revolver with surgical + handcannon doesn't really need support from your talent tree to stay effective and do it's job, which is to deal with elites at distances too far for you to reach with your melee.

Plasma, on the other hand, gets noticeably better once you build into ranged damage. Despite it's heat mechanic and needing to learn to manage venting, it feels more forgiving to use than revolver, and feels like it does farm more damage with far better mag size and ammo economy. Plasma makes a better dedicated weapon for a ranged-oriented build, I'd say.

[fast scaffold]

Imo you don't need ranged focused talents for plasma, it plays so well into the middle tree that I run it with that + melee stuff from right side and it feels solid

[scenic bronze]

I wanted to remain a VId chad but the plasma just does it 100% better

[fast scaffold]

Like if you run it with shout over exec, you will do less damage overall but you will never die

[gaunt hinge]

ever since they killed shocktrooper with crit strings and recon crit string length life hasnt been the same

[cloud leaf]

get hot blaze away

[hybrid river]

Going ranged focus with plasma is so much overkill that it will only really help you against monstrosities

[desert hawk]

have you tried columnus mk5?

it's basically the same level of fun dakka

[fast scaffold]

Hot take that I've always believed in, recons are boring and will never not be boring compared to their IAG cousins

[scenic bronze]

Needing a build to use it kinda sucked

[desert hawk]

it's time for las pistol memes.

[mystic belfry]

That's a good las pistol meme

[fierce lantern]

i rolled pinning fire iv on my bolter

its about time

😭

[desert hawk]

well

it turned out kinda meh

[hybrid river]

Useable but missing one perk

[scenic bronze]

Beast of nurgle killer

[mystic belfry]

I mean, honestly ,just change the perks and you're fine. Though infested isn't the worst thing

Reload is wasted on a las pistol but eh, it's fine

[desert hawk]

good ol columnus

[hybrid river]

Switching speed load to dum dum and switching one perk will be better imo

[mystic belfry]

He shootin

[stone birch]

alright, finding out Finesse is not very impactful on Power swords overall performance is useful

[gaunt hinge]

but but but mutie oneshots!

[rain crane]

are yall just spamming light attack on chainsword?

[mystic belfry]

Finese and damage are the most important stats by a good bit, then cleave damage, then cleave targets, then dump mobility

Chainsaw heavies are good too

[gaunt hinge]

i thought people spammed the heavy

[mystic belfry]

I use mostly heavies tbh

Though i don't use chainsword a lot

[desert hawk]

chain heavy spam into mobs

is a free clear

[kindred wagon]

columnus- what's the dump stat?

[desert hawk]

ammo

or mobility

[kindred wagon]

gotcha

[gaunt hinge]

who the fuck dumps ammo

[desert hawk]

because spray while moving is worth more then 10 ammo

and you cant give up stopping power, damage or stability

[mystic belfry]

It's the reverve you want

But 500 instead of 600 isn't terrible

And realistically it'll be more like 550

[desert hawk]

Between vetern ammo ability + pick ups you won't run dry even on a gun with 67% ammo

[mystic belfry]

Depends on the gun

[desert hawk]

On Columnus? Ammo is the last impactful impo

[umbral scaffold]

Light attack on chainsowrd is meh

[undone mica]

Would anyone be able to tell me out of all 5 stats for Plasma Gun
(Damage, Stopping Power, Charge Rate, Ammo, Thermal Resistance)
I know Damage needs to be high, but what would be my stat I shouldn't worry too much? I'm guessing thermal resist?

[hybrid river]

Light attack on chainsword is for killing bruisers and that’s about it

[desert hawk]

At least I've never personally run red in an auric

orange maybe after a really bad wave

but never empty

[hybrid river]

Thermal resist is the dump yes, all the rest directly affect your damage except for ammo(charge rate is bugged)

[mystic belfry]

Damage + Stopping Power > Charge Rate > Thermal Resistance > Ammo

No real dump stat though

[stone birch]

testing tho, its a couple % difference (in the realm of 2.5%) in attack speed between 60% and 80% finesse, and the weakspot damage increase is not enough to significantly change number of hits on tough shit like crushers, maulers, etc.( by ~9% on heavy, and 3% on light). dunno, seems overrated. Finesse, that is.

[undone mica]

Thanks a lot!

[gaunt hinge]

aint no way ammo is last 💀

[mystic belfry]

YEah it's probably the last two reversed

I don't use plasma really, so that was just at a first glance

[desert hawk]

I found a super meme plasma but I've never bothered building it

gets hot fast lmao

[mystic belfry]

Attack speed is basically always a DPS upgrade. The damage all matters with breakpoints really, which is a really complex thing to get arranged

[mystic belfry]

I mean, that's solid

[hybrid river]

Perks are very unfortunate

[mystic belfry]

The crit chance one is fine

Plasma only has so much to choose from

[hybrid river]

I was talking about perks

[mystic belfry]

Ah, am dumb

[desert hawk]

I mean technically I could swap both perks

[hybrid river]

Gets hot and blaze away are the meta blessings for plasma

[mystic belfry]

Ranged weak spot might hit a breakpoint if you swap reload to something

[desert hawk]

since it has no crafting locks

but I kinda want to dump glory for it

[hybrid river]

Problem with ranged weakpoint is that it doesn’t increase the damage of the whole hit, it only increases the additional damage from the weakpoint hit by 10%

[mystic belfry]

Gotta have glory for than toughness regen, because everyone know vet is really hurting for that :v

[desert hawk]

I think i have a better plasma sitting around somewhere

but I havent bothered much with it after a handful of games

IAG life is too fun

if milkman gives me good perks for Helbore I might just try to craft a better one, it's always felt so clunky to me though

[stone birch]

well yes, categorically that is true with DPS; its in the name DPS. But DPS on the power sword gets weird when you gotta take breaks from swinging to reactivate the power attacks that actually do the mega damage; and those are limited to 4 an activation. Lowers Finesse's value relative to the power sword specifically in my mind. Ah well, both swords I got have PC4 and Bromentum 3 on it, so I will figure it out through trial and error. Thank you for your input.

I will contemplate it as I get devoured by a mob of poxwalkers.

[mystic belfry]

There's some good finesse damage to be had with power sword 6 actually. Push attack into light attack is really high burst damage

[bold ibex]

finesse speeds up the charging animation too

[mystic belfry]

You can just cancel the animation so that'll be minimal

[bold ibex]

Eh, it still gets you into the block faster with the 4 one. I'd say it's a huge QOL buff regardless but definitely not necessary

i use it with my lapistol build because i don't ahve the points for all the +melee speed

bet ya'll feel real jealuos

...really wish it had high pen instead of mobiilty but

[stone birch]

Alright, gonna go test a couple more things with movesets in mind

again ty

[mystic belfry]

Ngl Bloodthirsty seems like a fun meme

[bold ibex]

Yup. I'm debating on replacing rev it up with headtaker 4

but i hate replacing a level 4 i don't have learned

[hybrid river]

Does chain axe suffer from the same problem as eviscerator where only the impact of a revved hit will count as crit?

[mystic belfry]

Does thrust increase the tick damage of the special attack?

[bold ibex]

even if it does, it's the least of chainaxe's worries

[placid portal]

Chain axe gotta worry about the great chainaxe

[hybrid river]

Well it’s the difference between your chainaxe having one good blessing/perk and zero

[mystic belfry]

Chainaxe is an interesting gimmick with it's extra tick of damage on the light attack

I just wish they would shorten how long it sticks for

[placid portal]

Only hope it can kill

[tender pasture]

overclock the motor a bit

every time it gets hung up on shit and twitches the camera around

[bold ibex]

okay i confirmed that the special attack ticks all crit

[placid portal]

Sheesh

[mystic belfry]

Ngl, it would be kind of dope if chainsword light attacks did that, because right now it's basically all heavies

Chain sword doesn't need a buff though

[hybrid river]

Good to know

[placid portal]

Chainsword is fine

[tender pasture]

be interesting to move the power to the tick rather than the initial hit

[mystic belfry]

Definitly should try mixing it with Thrust :v

[stone birch]

chainsword go brrrrrrrr

[mystic belfry]

Special a poxwalker, rev and full Thrust special a boss, see what happens for science

[tender pasture]

would likely make it objectively worse though

[stone birch]

granted if I want my chainsword fix, my zealot with an eviscerator scratches that itch a lot more...

[mystic belfry]

Thrust is power, and not just damage, so if anything will boost the specials damage that will

[bold ibex]

chainaxe has thrust?

I might switch out rev with headtaker until I find one somehow...

[mystic belfry]

it does

[bold ibex]

but rev it up... 20% move speed on special attack use is insane

[mystic belfry]

To be clear, I'm purely talking about special attack memes, it's probably not that great

[serene sage]

hold me

this game will be a slaughter

[bold ibex]

okay.... what are the guys with flak armor, carapace on heads, with mauls?

[serene sage]

with 3 new people

[bold ibex]

cuz my chainaxe onetaps them with body special attack blows with the guaranteed crit

[hybrid river]

Maulers

[bold ibex]

Yeah. It can one tap maulers on damnation which is nifty

[mystic belfry]

You probably do over half of a crusher

[hybrid river]

Killing elites is the only thing chain axe can do which is why it is bad

[mystic belfry]

I mean, heavy attacks on axe can do hordes, it's just not amazing

[placid portal]

What diff?

Rashad axe is fun

[bold ibex]

about 1/3rd but i don't have carapace. with carapace, yeah

[mystic belfry]

Running any rending talents?

[placid portal]

Rashad with the funny 25% atk speed thanks to desperado and trench drill

[edgy condor]

What should be prioritized on curios for veteran?

[placid portal]

[bold ibex]

EDIT: actually... with crits, you're right. over half a crusher

if chainaxes and similar applied the bleed talents/rending talents per tick they'd be pretty interesting

[mystic belfry]

I run this basically

YMMV though

[placid portal]

Stamina imo if you want a deadshot but still useful overall

[edgy condor]

so I'm noticing a trend there... you really don't like gunners, huh?

[mystic belfry]

Yes

[gaunt hinge]

run 3 of these or no balls

[mystic belfry]

When the director spawns a full fucking wave of gunners, sometimes you just eat hits and there's only so much you can do

probably the worst chip damage in the game

Don't get me wrong, I like stam, but I don't find I need more than +3 stam + 12% stam regen

And I push and block a lot more than most people I see

[edgy condor]

I totally agree, on my stealth knife zealot my main nemesis are packs of gunners. If I can get close enough that they all stop shooting im fine, but if even one starts spooling up their gun, I'm dead, as I can't outdodge a machine gun

[mystic belfry]

You can dodge one machine gun

You can maybe dodge three machine guns, some of the time

[edgy condor]

your average, fuck the team, what even is a crafting material, gotta go fast zoomies speedrunner

[mystic belfry]

You cannot dodge eight machine guns

[scenic bronze]

Bar code life

[mystic belfry]

Speaking of knife

That's my jam

[bold ibex]

gunners are about the only thing that will instagib you in damnation

[placid portal]

Oh he is ze spy

[bold ibex]

barring nets and dogs i guess

[placid portal]

Tf2 spy gaming

[mystic belfry]

I run melee shout vet actually

[bold ibex]

oh yeah good point. I do laspistol shout vet and melee shout vet usually.

lasgun crit does good against gunners by contrast

[placid portal]

I sweqr to god trappers always spawn with flamers

[bold ibex]

that's not true. they sometimes spawn with poxwalkers

[mystic belfry]

If you're standing in front of an ogryn, a knife with decent mobility can dodge in a curved line and end facing their back

So you surf around then, special to apply bleed, light attack heavy attack

[dusty ferry]

Sometimes mutants grab and take you to flamers or poxwalkers

[placid portal]

Trapper is a hoe she be doing it with the whole gang

[dusty ferry]

[mystic belfry]

I love when I get hit by a trapper and two poxwalkers yell get down mister president

[bold ibex]

my favorite is mutant throw into trapper into poxwalker spam

[mystic belfry]

My favorite is a mutant yeeting you over a ledge to instant death with no ledge grab

[bold ibex]

okay these chainaxe is not good, but it's hlarious. Rev it up 4 + the 5% speed vet aura = zoom

[mystic belfry]

Zoomer axe

[placid portal]

Pox burster explosion normally,
I fly
Pox burster explosion on netted people.
Nope.

[edgy condor]

Just want to give a shoutout to the "Crosshair Revamp" mod, as it let me change out that stupid, four chevrons spaced out around the area your aiming in, reticle that plasma gun normally has for an actual pinpoint crosshair reticle, and the same exact thing for charged attacks but with the charge meter a helbore has. Makes such a major distance when I'm trying to hit distant headshots. Great mod

[mystic belfry]

Cool stuff. I've honesly played too much KF2 though, I don't really even use my crosshairs

But it's always good to see cusomization regardless

[acoustic wyvern]

Kf2

[mystic belfry]

mk 4 claw kinda makes me think of executionar sword in how spamming heavy 1 is good dps on single target

[acoustic wyvern]

Killing floor 2?

[mystic belfry]

Killing Floor 2

[edgy condor]

it's just funny cause the plasma gun doesn't have accuracy issues whatsoever, it's pinpoint accurate. But its default aiming reticle is what you would expect for a messy, inaccurate aoe weapon, like a launcher or something

[sharp epoch]

can u link mod

[placid portal]

Might as well be with the blade profile

[edgy condor]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/48

[acoustic wyvern]

Bringing up a decade old debate

Why is there recoil on lasguns

[placid portal]

Dunno

[mystic belfry]

Claw swords are actually fucking clubs yeah

[placid portal]

They are supposed to be pinpoint accurate and no recoil by lore...

[mystic belfry]

Executioner swords are actual bladed weapons :v

[placid portal]

Fair

But if it chops it's still a sword

[edgy condor]

if you do get the mod, just hit F4 to go to your mod settings, and in the settings for Crosshair Revamp, you can set what you want your aiming reticle to look like for prettymuch any weapon. Really nice customization

[midnight mortar]

Fatshark's statement on this was that initially lasguns in this game didn't have it, but during playtesting they found it felt too jarring/weird and so implemented recoil.

[mystic belfry]

Common misconception, las guns do not have recoil. Your Vet is being spooked every time the gun fires and he's jumping in reaction.

[acoustic wyvern]

[broken spade]

yeah i've been using crosshair remap for so long that when i saw a clip of plasma gun's original crosshair, i was shocked and disgusted

[placid portal]

It gets hot

[broken spade]

i had forgotten how bad it was

[mystic belfry]

ow, not the spicy fingers

[placid portal]

Use faith of empra to aim

[mystic belfry]

Exactly

[edgy condor]

do lasguns cannonically have no recoil in WH40K lore? Cause of that's the case, why do they have stocks? They'd be kinda pointless with zero recoil

[acoustic wyvern]

The heat causes the gun to jump cause hot bahahaha

[placid portal]

More for stable aiming

[mystic belfry]

Learn to shoot without your crosshairs

That way you can draw your revolver and instantly headshots enemies like the emporer intended

[placid portal]

Yee haw amen

[acoustic wyvern]

Cause stocks are cool

[mystic belfry]

Fastest draw in the west (side of the galaxy)

[acoustic wyvern]

Dual wielding lasguns like its a wolfenstein game

[mystic belfry]

I hate dual wielding

it can stay gone ty

[placid portal]

Lucius lasguns are basically laser crossbows

[edgy condor]

random but is there a day of the week that darktide usually gets updates dropped on? Hyped for traitor curse and wondering what the potentially probably days of the week are

[mystic belfry]

Vermintide is lucky I love it enough to put up with dual wielding smh

Yeah, the day you're wanting to play the most so you have to wait for the update to finish

[placid portal]

On aniversary likely

So 30th of november

[acoustic wyvern]

Yes pls

They said november