veteran-class

[south garnet]

and in a race for first, second is loser

[hollow turtle]

There's a bolt pistol model in the game files if anyone is wondering.

[mystic belfry]

Could be fun

[swift ingot]

I need it

[south garnet]

but once they nerf revolver into being irrelevant again I'm sure I'll do more lasvet

[hollow turtle]

I'm back to being a las vet because I don't see a lot of the flashing red pew pews anymore

[south garnet]

yea there's something to be said for not running the most common denominator loadouts

[kind scarab]

Once revolver gets nerf'd into obscurity, I'll prolly just go back to my recon gun since it still works fine

[south garnet]

I do have my off-brand builds for screwing around

[hollow turtle]

My prediction? The meta will go back to lasguns soon.

[south garnet]

I know it's probably just confirmation bias but I swear I'll go 10 or 15 games without seeing a specific build for any given class, decide to do it, then the first handful of matches I get teamed with two other people with a carbon copy of my loadout

[mystic belfry]

I just run what works well with knife

Besides stealth

[hollow turtle]

I might start using a shovel now that i have a good one.

[south garnet]

shovel is incredible

[kind scarab]

I don't understand how y'all can tolerate the shovel

[south garnet]

if it weren't for being forced to use PS with certain builds it would be shovel for everything

[mystic belfry]

It’s fine I guess

[kind scarab]

Like, this is mine

But I'll be damned if I find it amazing

[south garnet]

mine

[hollow turtle]

Lol would've been perfect if it was the penetration that had the 80 instead.

[mystic belfry]

Feels like a worse axe to tbh

[kind scarab]

The uncanny strikes more than makes up for it, since you hit rending cap

[south garnet]

mine's not perfect but it's wicked

[swift ingot]

Meanwhile Ogryn shovel is absolutely thriving

[south garnet]

with the increased melee speed and crit chance it's insane

especially

[hollow turtle]

Need it to fit the fit

[south garnet]

barely even notice hordes with it

[merry glade]

jesus

[swift ingot]

Quite the handsome lad

[hollow turtle]

Lol why does your Ogryn look like a travelling companion of my psyker?

[kind scarab]

The true Veteran

Legend says, he came from Cadia already level 500

[candid bridge]

Saw a vet 400 levels higher than that

[hollow turtle]

I'm scared of using TrueLevels mod

Because staring at my personal number makes me self-conscious.

[candid bridge]

Sorry

I misquoted

700 levels higher

[zealous wyvern]

i will never be that high levelled

[candid bridge]

1567

[zealous wyvern]

damn

with that name and face

what a waste

[candid bridge]

Freakysqeeky, if you’re in this chat you’re a legend

[zealous wyvern]

hothead is way better

[cinder wadi]

why krak when revolver?

[kind scarab]

Boss damage + stuns

[cinder wadi]

alr

[kind scarab]

You can also just toss them at the body of a downed ally to make room to pick them up

Just toss at their feet and immediately go in to start reviving

The nade blows up and you safe

[autumn perch]

Who’s winning

[candid bridge]

Hopefully Baldurs gate

RE4 shouldn’t even be there lol

[autumn perch]

Agree BG3 is my pick

[cinder wadi]

how important is supression immunity?

[zealous wyvern]

bg3 hopefully
spidey was very nice too though

but bg3 seemed more revolutionary

[untold mulch]

BG3 by a landslide imo

[candid bridge]

AW2, BG3, and Mario wonder are the only games in my eyes worthy of it.

[kind scarab]

It means that you can still headshot anyone, regardless of being shot at

[autumn perch]

Yeah I want BG3 to win too

[kind scarab]

So, for revolver, very

Since it's either a make it or break it shot

[fickle narwhal]

question. I was looking at builds. why does everyone use the VLA over VLD?

[brisk umbra]

has to be BG3

[cinder wadi]

imma try without it cuz I suck and love the outlines for the ex stance

[kind scarab]

You already have outlines on the build I gave you, for the only things you should be shooting

[mystic belfry]

Easily bg3 from what’s listed

[umbral scaffold]

yo

which infantry las gun should i use

i wanna try it with the full auto mod

[cinder wadi]

Oh I mean counter-fire

[kind scarab]

You should not be using that with revolver

You'll be wasting ammo on stuff you shouldn't be shooting

[cinder wadi]

but if I don't shoot the shooters, who will?

[umbral scaffold]

uh

[kind scarab]

Either your team, or you do what I do, and charge at them in melee

[umbral scaffold]

there's better weapons for that man

[kind scarab]

Cause you'll be generating effectively infinite toughness

[umbral scaffold]

so much overkill rounds wasted on chaff

[candid bridge]

The blue or green one (can’t remember their names or mks)

[cinder wadi]

alr I'll try not to shoot at them

[kind scarab]

Even if you only shot specials/elites/bosses. With revolver most of your damage will still be overkill

[gray sun]

so when are they gonna fix this?

[kind scarab]

Like, look at this nonsense

Look at all that overkill

Esp since revolver will pass through more than one target. So you get overkill on multiple enemies.

[cinder wadi]

btw is demonlition team worth it?

[celest vine]

Most likely next update

[cinder wadi]

How often do you have it proc?

[celest vine]

Not even joking here

[celest vine]

Logically with vet rework it would fix this penance

[smoky lark]

Hmmmmmmmm

[gray sun]

got no idea when the next set of penances drops and I want those helmets before that happens

[kind scarab]

It procs often enough that it's useful

[celest vine]

Itll look great on my vet

It just has to be fixed

[gray sun]

it definetly will

[kind scarab]

Esp when it procs during boss fights, so you can chew through even more of them

[cinder wadi]

alr

I suposse sence you're not running it, it's better then the 50% radius

[kind scarab]

I do run the grenades

The radius is useless

[gleaming turtle]

435 Plasteel? Jesus bruv, I would never

[rocky stratus]

huh

wdym you would never

[gleaming turtle]

He got 435 Plasteel for that game. I would never settle for that.

[kind scarab]

Look man

I want you to take a real hard look at the squad composition and how long that match took

and at how many elites/specials/disablers I had to kill

We're lucky we got anything with those bozos

[gleaming turtle]

Actually, speaking of which

Anyone notice that the games are spitting out some ridiculous stuff today?

I had two matches this morning, back to back, with double bosses.

[kind scarab]

It's prep for the update

[gleaming turtle]

No DH.

[kind scarab]

Yesterday I had a match with like 1dh and three boss spawns

Lemme see if I can find it

[rocky stratus]

davies hard carried ur game

[gleaming turtle]

Davies was just shooting a kickback nonstop

[crude wind]

beauty

[gleaming turtle]

I didn't even have to be there

[kind scarab]

Davies didn't hard carry shit

[crude wind]

Radius is secretly very good

ask commissar tyr

[gleaming turtle]

Actually, 603... It was a Rumbler.

[kind scarab]

But out of all the others, he was the only one I could count on

[kind scarab]

Right on the money

[glacial peak]

why is radius good?

[crude wind]

hold on I will see if I can find the Commissar Tyr post

he explained it

and that dude is a guy worth paying attention to when it comes to Darktide

[glacial peak]

yeah tyr knows his shit

[hearty panther]

Radius for grenades?

[south garnet]

glad you specified, was gonna ask him about refinancing my house

[hearty panther]

Radius in general is a huge buff.

[kind scarab]

This was the match I did with the DH +3 boss spawns

[glacial peak]

yeah do you mean aura radius or tinkerer?

[kind scarab]

It was not great

[hearty panther]

8m turns into 12m which means 24m diameter blastzone

That's a lot of shit to be bleeding

[brisk umbra]

I joined a match with 2 bosses before we did the first drop, in the zone where there are no enemies

[glacial peak]

because i know tinkerer has TWBS taped to it

[crude wind]

we talking about coherency radius right?

[glacial peak]

yeah that one

[crude wind]

Tinkerer is goated because of stun immunity

[glacial peak]

man its almost like the game feels infinitely better play when you turn off stuns

maybe stuns are a bad mechanic :)

[crude wind]

so true

do you remember micro stuns

from bombers

and muties jumping on ledges

[glacial peak]

yes

[crude wind]

well we fucking murdered those and they're never coming back

fuck stuns

[glacial peak]

dog bumps got readded i think

[gleaming turtle]

They did

[crude wind]

I got pushed off a ledge by a dog pounce the other day

[gleaming turtle]

I got killed by one the other day

[crude wind]

big sad

[gleaming turtle]

Jumped at the dude behind me, hit me, killed me from the impact.

[frozen zephyr]

how would you upgrade this one ?

[calm shard]

oh if we're talking about ledges worst one I had was a flamer missed me when I was standing on a railing and his flames pulled me off the ledge

[crude wind]

okay aura radius affects shout

that was the reason

[glacial peak]

got it

[crude wind]

and it also affects other team buffs

some that may not even be in the game yet...

thank god people figure these things out because I would be fucking clueless without the wizards lol#

[glacial peak]

i probably will swap to that because i really don't find demo team doing too much when im already running stockpile

[kind scarab]

For the slug gun? I'd prolly go scatter + Full Bore

[glacial peak]

scatter man stopper

[crude wind]

I think demo team could comfortably be removed from the game and no one would care. especially if they theoretically moved stuff in the tree around

[wind patio]

Oh, so my veteran being stun immune wasn't some weird bug, it's from Grenade Tinkerer???

[crude wind]

yes

lol

[glacial peak]

i mean it probably is a bug

[crude wind]

don't ask me why

[kind scarab]

Now, you may be wondering why since it sounds counterintuitive. You just slug one mfers to proc full bore, then pump downrange.

[glacial peak]

but hopefully then never fix it

[crude wind]

it hilariously is not

it's coded in

[forest scaffold]

but. . . my infinite grenades

[crude wind]

someone intentionally put it there

[crude wind]

grenade team not 60s grenade replenish

[kind scarab]

Simple, they wanted your own grenades to stun you when they explode nearby, but all the bitching about too many stuns in the game made them never add it

[crude wind]

god i hope they never remove that

[glacial peak]

you poop one every minute

[forest scaffold]

but. . . my infinite grenades

60s is fine

[crude wind]

what cursed time line is this

[forest scaffold]

but why not both

Not that I was running it here

[crude wind]

i mean u can run both

[kind scarab]

Hopefully one that stays in the void.

[forest scaffold]

I'm using whatever the fuck this is

[kind scarab]

Ah yes, the recon lasgun build

[forest scaffold]

BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO BUFF THE GOD DAMN AMMO CRATES

Huh

No

[glacial peak]

i just took it because im so used to "choerency bad"

[forest scaffold]

read the scoreboard doc

[unkempt lagoon]

no grenade tinkerer

[forest scaffold]

I wasn't using a recon lasgun

[neon briar]

the advantage of the 5% free nade over the 60s is that the 5% has a more useful node in front of it, assuming you're not already planning to get voice

[crude wind]

that looks like an autogun build if ever I saw one 😄

OR RECON

you dark horse u

[kind scarab]

My point is that it's effectively the same build

[forest scaffold]

this was my build

[crude wind]

ha I so called it

[kind scarab]

Fast shooty is fast shooty

[crude wind]

https://tenor.com/view/shane-gun-spinning-gun-trick-revolver-gif-22103266

[forest scaffold]

I dun get it

[glacial peak]

fellow power sword 6 abuser

[forest scaffold]

abuser?

[kind scarab]

He called it as an autogun/recon build

[versed sable]

Is the power sword 6 better than the 3?

[glacial peak]

dude power sword 6 is busted

[crude wind]

@forest scaffold

[forest scaffold]

I've been using this since it came out

[kind scarab]

For single target, yes

[forest scaffold]

oh, ah. I didn't see that

[kind scarab]

It's also great at horde clearing

[forest scaffold]

I just rolled up a bromentum Psword before patch 13 dropped

cause of the proported changes

[kind scarab]

But I prefer the MK3 for hordes personally

[forest scaffold]

I gambled correctly

[south garnet]

the grenade aura from tinkerer specifically, or the coherency one up at the top?

[half wigeon]

hey guys i've seen a lot of reccon lasgun recently is there anything that made them nuts ?

[forest scaffold]

wat

mk6 is objectively better than the mk3

in every single world

[versed sable]

Yeah I've been using the power sword 3 and it's fine..

[crude wind]

50% aura radius

[forest scaffold]

now that heavy attack and light attack damage are the same

[versed sable]

Wut.

[crude wind]

directly affects how far your shout goes to give toughness to team

[kind scarab]

Nah, they lost a ton of power in the latest update. But they're still functional and usable.

[forest scaffold]

See: name

may as well apply to typing too

[crude wind]

because that's weirdly calculated on coherency

sekrit buffs

[half wigeon]

yeah fuck that then colomnus and heavypistol for the gaming

[forest scaffold]

Agrippina Brauto IAG gang

[crude wind]

man I swear unless you had a degree in programming you'd never figure out Fatshark games without discord

[forest scaffold]

I look sick as fuck dog

[kind scarab]

Recon still works great, you can literally go the whole match without picking up ammo, so long as you ain't magdumping into hordes of pox

[candid bridge]

Immeasurably complex

[kind scarab]

[crude wind]

unironically it is lol

[royal monolith]

oh my god

[wind patio]

The cleave damage distribution for the lights are much, much worse than the heavies.

[royal monolith]

this chat is a lair of heresy

[kind scarab]

I will say however, be ready for people to steal your kills left and right on the low HP enemies you're burning up

[bitter turtle]

idk about that, every recon i'v eseen since patch is huffing ammo

[royal monolith]

this is not cod

[bitter turtle]

while doing half the dmg

[royal monolith]

how dare you use scopes

[crude wind]

XD

[royal monolith]

inquisition will hear of these

[half wigeon]

yeah but the TTK is really like so slow

compared to the colomnus

[bitter turtle]

no reason to really use it over columnus now

just stick to columnus iag if you want the same experience without trash maniac modifier

[crude wind]

the columnus is hella sick

what a beaut

[south garnet]

honestly, having seen how FS does blessings, weapon qualities, and talent interactions, it's probably for the best they didn't attempt weapon mods

[kind scarab]

I find it still very usable, it's not as terrible as everyone makes it out to be

[crude wind]

tbf I love all the IAGs, they all feel nice in their little bracket

[kind scarab]

Lemme see if I can find the scoreboard where I used it

[half wigeon]

yeah and i got it godroll

[kind scarab]

Or better yet, I'll go do a mission rn with the recon build just to have a fresh one

[bitter turtle]

can you really say its not terrible when its just objectively worse than another gun in every way

i guess it still has the recoiless going for it

[crude wind]

i feel like there are 3 tiers in darktide weapons

S
useable
unuseable

[kind scarab]

^

[forest scaffold]

To everything, really.

[crude wind]

Recon sits comfortably in that second

[neon briar]

thats like all games though

[forest scaffold]

Recon Lasguns just don't have enough ammo

sorry

damage

God I can't fucking type today

[half wigeon]

yeah

agreed

[kind scarab]

Recon is currently in the usable category, and it has enough damage and ammo to last you a whole match if you're running scav

[forest scaffold]

my brain still hurts from the last match

That match didn't really change my opinion on veteran though

[bitter turtle]

grey guns are also usable :^)

[forest scaffold]

this class is terrible

[kind scarab]

I'll go run a quick T5 without picking up ammo

[forest scaffold]

Taking full damage from poxwalkers is pain

Because my toughness dared to be below 75%

[neon briar]

were you running without iron will?

[forest scaffold]

That doesn't help if there's no elites around

OH, right

The 50% dr for being above 75%

I already answered that

[bitter turtle]

i dont run iron will anymore and dont really have trouble

buffed shout is too good

[forest scaffold]

Taking full damage from groaners and poxwalkers is pain

[south garnet]

not a lot of people know the biggest strength/stealth buff of recon las from this last patch - if you spray it into a crowd of poxwalkers, notice that you don't even have to crit in order to see it literally drain the hope and excitement out of your teammates as they realize they won't be able to use guns for most of the match

[forest scaffold]

That's really my biggest complaint with veteran's tree right now

[neon briar]

how about running with no iron will no shout

[forest scaffold]

There's not enough damage reduction

[bitter turtle]

then that sounds spooky

[neon briar]

ive tried a few games like that and it's really not enjoyable

[forest scaffold]

and all of the toughness is at the bottom of the tree

Its just the worst of both nerf worlds

[bitter turtle]

i still run CK always tho

feels bad having to dip 3 points to get it but its too important

[forest scaffold]

Taking away his toughness: Fine

Taking away his damage reduction: Fine

Taking away both sucks

[neon briar]

yeah the obligation to go down middle tree to at least CK feels awful

[kind scarab]

Game loaded me into a match that's already in progress

I spawned on a bot that had less than 15% of it's health left. All corrupted.

Got immediately poxbursted

[forest scaffold]

still no rampage 4 :(

Hadron pls gib rampage 4

[south garnet]

how it feels to reincarnate and come back as a lab rat

[forest scaffold]

it really should reset your ammo and HP

[crude wind]

hahahahaha

very good

[forest scaffold]

when you join a match in progress

[bitter turtle]

haha

i would be happy

[forest scaffold]

Its just not fun coming in at minimum resources

[crude wind]

genuinely lol'd at that

[forest scaffold]

when you've done literally nothing

[bitter turtle]

if they simply just let you fu cking spectate before they drop you in

and then you press confirm or something to actually join the match

[forest scaffold]

Wait

you mean like

[bitter turtle]

nothing more fun than spawning in literal fucking fire with no idea where everyone is

[forest scaffold]

literally every other horde shooter

[bitter turtle]

i know right

too much to ask for 😔

[forest scaffold]

THIS ISNT COD

or something I dunno

I'm tired of the hedge jokes

we need new content

[wind patio]

Don't you have invuln spawning in

[forest scaffold]

It runs out before you spawn in

which is hilarious

it applies it to the bot

and its used up by the bot

[wind patio]

[zealous wyvern]

i love joining into bad spawns personally

[bitter turtle]

and regardless

[forest scaffold]

so you spawn in and instantly die

[south garnet]

based

[bitter turtle]

the information gap is bad

i have died just cause i didnt realize my teammates were retreating lol

because you know

[zealous wyvern]

nothing beats fighting for the survival of a losing team

[bitter turtle]

literal fucking fire everywhere obstructing vision lol

and i just spawned in so idk what my team is doing

[crude wind]

unironically tho

[forest scaffold]

literally me last match

[crude wind]

i love PUGs

[zealous wyvern]

the only time this would suck is

[crude wind]

they are absolute chaos

[zealous wyvern]

10inarow no downs penance

imagine

you are on 9

[crude wind]

oooof

[zealous wyvern]

and join

[forest scaffold]

I did that on damnation

[zealous wyvern]

and instadie to a crusher

[finite imp]

Were they AFK? jesus

[crude wind]

yeah yeah fair point bruv

[forest scaffold]

Don't even complain

[south garnet]

was 3rd guy even on the map or was he mailing in his bullets from the next hab over

[crude wind]

i dont think i've done that penance

i should probably try

[forest scaffold]

I do not shit talk pubs

[zealous wyvern]

i am on 6

[forest scaffold]

They are a confusing brand of player

but we were all new once

[wind patio]

^

[forest scaffold]

So I just can't be bothered.

[crude wind]

like u could cheese it by playing sedition or some shit

[wind patio]

So true

[bitter turtle]

its honestly not too uncommon at this point

[crude wind]

but who wants to do that

[crude wind]

my man

[forest scaffold]

I remember struggling on malice way back on release

[wind patio]

Hard to remember the times you didn't know how to play

[crude wind]

this attitude right here

[zealous wyvern]

well it is not rude to say that anonymously to ppl elsewhere

[bitter turtle]

every few games you'll get a lug that just can't output much damage

[forest scaffold]

I remember getting dragged into damnation by my best friend

[zealous wyvern]

just dont call them lowlife trash

[crude wind]

if you are strong, you carry the weak. you don't gloat at them

[south garnet]

wrong. I was born in a 3 piece suit and I started DT at level 30

[zealous wyvern]

but you can complain about it imo

[bitter turtle]

its ok

makes it fun anyway

[zealous wyvern]

just not to them

[bitter turtle]

the runs that go smooth are the boring ones

[zealous wyvern]

they do not deserve insults ofc

i like smooth runs too

[bitter turtle]

i don't

there's n o adrenaline

😔

[forest scaffold]

this is what I don't like the most about ol vetty boi though

It engenders a completely passive playstyle

that punishes you for engaging with half the game

[hearty panther]

i want the game to step on my balls and spit in my mouth and call me a bitch

[crude wind]

tbf that just looks like good positioning to me

[hearty panther]

pugs are the best place for that

[bitter turtle]

i mean

[forest scaffold]

Melee is a death sentence if you make even a single mistake

[bitter turtle]

couldn't you see it as good positioning

yeah

lol

[crude wind]

this dude right here gets it

[rocky stratus]

don’t make a single mistake tbh…

[zealous wyvern]

gross

[finite imp]

^

[bitter turtle]

i use 🔪 so I get into melee plenty myself

[hard cave]

post vet drip

[zealous wyvern]

sounds heretical

[bitter turtle]

It just teaches you better about when to engage

[glacial peak]

literally just kill a single elite with confirmed kill your very tanky

[hard cave]

PLEASE POST VET DRIP IM BEGGING YOU

[forest scaffold]

vet drip

[rocky stratus]

infiltrate knife auto pistol rahhh

[candid bridge]

I’ve never made a mistake in my life ever, especially in darktide

[crude wind]

what kind of drip

[wind patio]

I don't know, I go melee against anything I want and I feel fine most of the time.

[zealous wyvern]

i would post my gear but nobody likes it

[finite imp]

GRENADE TINKERER GIVES YOU STUN IMMUNITY EVERYONE SCREEEEAM

[wind patio]

Having shout in my back pocket makes it really safe

[zealous wyvern]

i do though

[fathom grail]

Darktide ain’t got no drip

[hard cave]

MOOOORE

[glacial peak]

yeah shout is so nice

[bitter turtle]

run in, stab all the gunners, shout at everyone else, run back out

[crude wind]

yo guys I heard that grenade tinkerer apparently gives you stun immunity

is that true?

[hard cave]

I NEED MORE VET DRIP

[bitter turtle]

its basically infiltrate! :^)

[finite imp]

OMG POST IT AGAIN

[hearty panther]

thy grenades be swiftin

[candid bridge]

NEVER BACK DOWN NEVER WHAT

[rocky stratus]

it was so weird playing zealot for the first time after getting vet to rep 30+
like i was in melee and just… didn’t die

[wind patio]

Stacking cooldown reduction without revive shout

[zealous wyvern]

tinker gets me killed by making enemies hitting me more subtle

[crude wind]

I REMEMBER YOU FROM THE OTHER DAY

[finite imp]

I'M BREAKING MY FRIDGE TONIGHT

[fathom grail]

OGRYN SHIRTLESS DRIP PLZ

[limpid hull]

it just dawned on me, with the new comming keystones

[forest scaffold]

I don't have a whole lot to be honest

[crude wind]

WHY WHAT DID THE FRIDGE DO

[forest scaffold]

mostly just free shit.

[finite imp]

I just wanted a funchin PEANUT MM

[limpid hull]

the ability modifiers will be in reach for our talent tree like other classes now\

[crude wind]

bro that's real

[wind patio]

The only cosmetic I bought was the powersword skin

[forest scaffold]

goofy ahh fit

[hard cave]

bullgryn my beloved

[crude wind]

next patch Veteran is getting a gun that shoots activated powerswords

[forest scaffold]

but

[crude wind]

you heard it here first

[forest scaffold]

isn't that the helbore mk3?

[candid bridge]

The only cosmetic I need is the blood of heretics on my sword

[forest scaffold]

or the plasma gun?

Both fit the bill

[crude wind]

pretty much lol

[forest maple]

Anyone plays with lens distortion settings on? Why would i want my game to be blurry

[finite imp]

MOTION BLUR TO MAXIMUM

[crude wind]

you enjoy drugs and screen blur is kind of like normal mode?

[zealous wyvern]

realism maybe. i do not know what it looks like

[finite imp]

I WANNA SLOW MY GAME DOWN AND GO BLIND

[forest scaffold]

I like this fit too much to change from it

[crude wind]

idk I;m scrpaing for answers here

[forest scaffold]

real spec-oppy

[kind scarab]

I only spawned with half HP

But I've been managing so far

[hard cave]

YEEEES

MOOORE DRIP

[kind scarab]

And half my ammo, since I immediately got nuked by a poxburster when I switched places with the bot

[forest scaffold]

@crude wind you wanna see what I saw in that last match by the way?

[hard cave]

shout out to all my hive defenders

[candid bridge]

I LOVE HAVING IN GAME STIGMATISMS

[kind scarab]

The zealot on the team just blew up a barrel that tossed me off a ledge as well, so the match isn't going as well as I'd have liked :T

[forest scaffold]

[crude wind]

good lord

[finite imp]

FILM GRAIN REEEEEEEEEE

[crude wind]

kill it with fire

[bitter turtle]

that's nto a scope

that's literally just a tube

[forest scaffold]

I managed to do nearly 800k damage

walking around like this

[bitter turtle]

its a discarded toilet roll

strapped to the top of your gun

[crude wind]

i wonder if thats actually in the game somewhere

[candid bridge]

Just like real life scopes

[finite imp]

Sounds like you're questioning the omnissiah to me

[crude wind]

or did someone make that

[forest scaffold]

No, Grasmann pulled it from the game files

[zealous wyvern]

that is what scopes are

[forest scaffold]

I do believe

[zealous wyvern]

a tube with glass

[crude wind]

LONG LAS CONFIRMED HOLY SHIT#

[bitter turtle]

tubes or discarded toilet rolls

[forest scaffold]

(Creator of the Extended Weapon Customization Mod)

[crude wind]

NO FUCKING WAY

I NEVER THOUGHT THEY'D DO IT

[finite imp]

calm down they still might not lol

[bitter turtle]

i'll concede that scopes are indeed tube shaped, but I imagine real scopes are discarded toilet rolls with some glass in them still

[crude wind]

nah man that's a tell right there

[finite imp]

there is shit that was found in VT2 release day and it still hasn't been released

[crude wind]

there's only one gun that would release with a scope like that

[bitter turtle]

yeah

the revolver

[midnight mortar]

I mean, there's been a thumbnail icon of the weapon in the game since the beta.

[forest scaffold]

I like its silhouette

Its like an m16

and an ak

[delicate estuary]

nice 40k plasteel later and 3 million dockets finally got T4 uncanny strike on the shovel

[forest scaffold]

had a bastard child

[delicate estuary]

I will find hadron

[finite imp]

what stock is that

[crude wind]

sure, same with Melta and Chain Axe

[forest scaffold]

folding stock from one of the headhunters

[crude wind]

but as Sunrise said there's no confirmation they'd ever get added

but if that scope just got data mined

in last weapon customisation mod

they are prepping for it

[slow spade]

They're waiting until you quit

[crude wind]

i would bet money on it

[slow spade]

Then BOOM longlas

[crude wind]

does that mean other unreleased stuff as well?

[forest scaffold]

We've seen:

Two Hand Power Sword

Double Barrel Shotgun

Weapon Scopes

I dunno what else for "leaked" stuff

[crude wind]

hmmm I am sensing a paid DLC on the horizon

[forest scaffold]

Two Hand Force Swords too, I think?

[slow spade]

Ogryn psyker

[crude wind]

like the VT2 DLC that had moonbow in it

and other weapons

[forest scaffold]

I was thinking Tools of War 2.0

[kind scarab]

The Ogryn Psyker can count to 5

[forest scaffold]

Fatshark hasn't cleaned up the game enough to start releasing shit in DLC

[slow spade]

I hope so

[forest scaffold]

ESPECIALLY weapons

[crude wind]

tools of war 2.0 was just new marks though right?

sorry 1.0*

[forest scaffold]

Tools of War*

[slow spade]

What do you mean? The blessings work just fine UwU

[forest scaffold]

Was just new marks

When did we get the Crusher and Power Maul?

[candid bridge]

Aren’t we just the tools of war

[crude wind]

yeah so tools of war 2.0, if such a thing were to be coming, would likely just be new marks as well, no?

[forest scaffold]

Was that part of tools of war?

or did they come before that?

[kind scarab]

Nah we're just tools

[crude wind]

content update for commsplex

before?

before

ignore the?

[forest scaffold]

I have no idea

I'm way too lazy to go check the updates log

[crude wind]

it was decemeber

2022

comms plex update

[forest scaffold]

But Tools of War 2.0 releasing new weapons wouldn't be beyond Fatshark

especially considering the state of the game

[noble onyx]

I'd be happy with just the marks we're missing since that'd be the easiest thing for Fatshark, but I would also appreciate the unique weapons we haven't gotten since launch

Longlas and Melta especially

[forest scaffold]

There's honestly not a lot of missing marks

[crude wind]

i mean if we get it free then sweet but if they release a DLC for a tenner with melta, 2h chain axe, 2h force sword and longlaz and... whatever Ogryn weapon

then just shut up and take my money ya know?

[forest scaffold]

Chain Sword

Chain Axe

Power Maul

Crusher

Combat Knife

what else?

[brisk umbra]

39.99$

[candid bridge]

I want my god damn npc headsets

[crude wind]

i too want to RP as a bot

[forest scaffold]

Autocannon and Lascannon

are the only rulebook missing weapons left on Ogryn

That's it.

[crude wind]

Las Cannon XD

[forest scaffold]

I'm surprised they didn't come with patch 13

[crude wind]

BYE SPAWN

[forest scaffold]

Considering the release of Gunlugger

They're his two most iconic weapons

And we're missing them

[crude wind]

i think a Las Cannon in this game would be problematic

[forest scaffold]

Low ammo count

completely solved

Not that hard, just look at the plasma gun

[zealous wyvern]

i hope he gets a las cannon

[crude wind]

so u shoot it like, 5 times?

[candid bridge]

Give Ogryn a spartan laser

[forest scaffold]

No, I mean something that's like 150/150

[hard briar]

give Ogyrn Heavy Bolter

[forest scaffold]

So ogryn only gets one reload

but its a huge damage available in the pool

like the autoguns get ~70k damage in their damage pool

[trail totem]

do i need 80% damage for any breakpoints on MK9?

[crude wind]

time to open fire into poxwalkers

[forest scaffold]

so ogryn would get that but in 300 rounds

[slow spade]

Ogryn should get an assault cannon

[forest scaffold]

That's uh

what we're talking about

[slow spade]

Twin-linked assault cannon

[forest scaffold]

Autocannon and Lascannon

[crude wind]

ogryn should get a damn 2h weapon

[forest scaffold]

that's what we're missing for rulebook weapons

[crude wind]

like a metal pole

or a bigger metal pole

[forest scaffold]

And like someone said up above, a bolt-machingun

Heavy Bolter*

[slow spade]

Ogryn should also get a megabolter

[forest scaffold]

Its a rarity to see an Ogryn in the battlefield with a Heavy Bolter

because they're delicate, relatively speaking, weapons.

[empty creek]

storm bolter?

[crude wind]

everyone tell me your best Smoke Grenade anecdotes

[slow spade]

That's basic shit, ogryn can handle a megabolter

[forest scaffold]

They've literally only ever stopped me from shooting enemies

I fucking hate smoke grenades

[crude wind]

amazing

[empty creek]

if U can see, U fucked up

[forest scaffold]

I'll be honest

frag grenades and smoke grenades need to be swapped

in location

[slow spade]

Smoke grenades made me have to horde nade boxes so they weren't wasted

[forest scaffold]

Counterfire vet getting smoke grenades is genius giganto brain game design

[crude wind]

i think squad leader should have frags

commando gets Kraks

[forest scaffold]

BECAUSE HE CAN SEE THROUGH THEM

[crude wind]

Sharpy gets smokes

[south garnet]

I just tell people to stop hotboxing the valkyrie when they pop them at the end of missions, like a mom would scold her kid in the minivan

[crude wind]

exactly

[forest scaffold]

Clearly asking too much of Fatshark though, to come up with intelligent gameplay interactions between abilities.

[slow spade]

Yet melee vet got the smoke nades which do nothing vs melee in a game where ragers are the main melee threat lol

[crude wind]

wouldn;t it be great if the Vet had smoke puns for when he threw them. "THOSE THINGS WILL KILL YOU YA KNOW"

[empty creek]

honestly U want 2 be getting shot @ while in a crowd since enemies can shoot other enemies

[forest scaffold]

I get what fatshark was going for with the smokes on the stealth tree

Ranger Bardin vibes

[empty creek]

wish the smokes were white phos like the US used 2 use

[candid bridge]

Smokes should shroud you when inside and give a big movement speed bonus for a second when exiting the smoke

[forest scaffold]

But the smoke grenades just don't do jack fuck for the stealth class

[slow spade]

"Used to"

[crude wind]

Ranger bardin with none of the fun

[forest scaffold]

Whereas Counterfire vet can pop a smoke and then shoot through it

like

come the fuck on

the interaction WAS RIGHT THERE

[empty creek]

we dont walk around w/ them anymore, they're just in vehicle ordinance now </3

[slow spade]

I wish the smokes buffed you like combat stims

[south garnet]

You say that, but later they'll be on respirators in hospice thinking "if only I'd have lived life differently and not inhaled the smoke from all those melee vets I massacred." A delayed win maybe, but a spiritual win as well as physical

[slow spade]

Really a shame 😔

[crude wind]

wouldn't it be cool if they got rid of smokes and replace them with plantable demo packs

"good night sally"

or a trap

A TRAP

[empty creek]

BF4 C4 ATV

[candid bridge]

Wish we got the fire nades

[forest scaffold]

So the smoke launchers on bradleys and abrams are still using willy pete?

I feel bad for our infantryman trying to escort them

[south garnet]

Smoke should put out fire

[empty creek]

no unless if something suddenly changed

[south garnet]

THEN it would be cool

[forest scaffold]

so should zealots fire nade

tbh

[slow spade]

White phosphorus on the Kantreal shotgun when?

[crude wind]

i pushed that issue SO many times

you have no idea

[forest scaffold]

I fucking hate when they throw it on top of a bomber fire nade

[empty creek]

🗣️

[forest scaffold]

And now there's just RED EVERYWHERE

[south garnet]

Such a bummer

[slow spade]

I like fire

[south garnet]

It's so obvious too

[crude wind]

missed opportunity but what can you do

ikr

[empty creek]

speak yo shit

let yo nuts hang

[slow spade]

L-l-lewd~!

[empty creek]

STFU

NVM.

[slow spade]

UwU

[empty creek]

https://tenor.com/view/war-of-the-monsters-ufo-attack-laser-destruction-gif-23018498

[forest scaffold]

Veteran sucks

That is all

[empty creek]

im killing mytself

[slow spade]

Voice of Command needs a buff

[kind scarab]

What have I come back to

[slow spade]

30 sec duration pls

[kind scarab]

Voice of command needs a nerf

[crude wind]

is it just me

or is it getting a little sexy in here

[south garnet]

Yes. Hm, I suppose this grenade could do something cool, useful and interesting. But what if instead it blinded your teammates, didn't last very long, and did basically nothing instead?

[empty creek]

we cant be doing this bruh

[slow spade]

Nurgle always was the lewdest faction

Beast of Nurgle is literally nude

[crude wind]

TELL ME WHERE TO SIGN HOT DAMN

[slow spade]

[kind scarab]

[candid bridge]

Are las-nades a thing in 40k lol

[slow spade]

I mean krak nades are basically plasma nades

[empty creek]

yesterday we were talking AB making our characters short & fuckable BC it's totally a tactical decision & we want 2 fit behind cover better

[slow spade]

Does that count?

[kind scarab]

Slaneesh sends their regards

[bitter turtle]

dont underestimate the power of a twinned smoke nade

there's a reason they're on the same tree

you can blind your teammates twice as hard

[forest scaffold]

I don't think ANYTHING on veteran should be touched, numbers wise, until we get the tree rework

[kind scarab]

Ah yes, the 1/10 chance of never tossing a second grenade the whole match

[candid bridge]

Like a nade that just shoots out a bunch of lasers is more so what I was thinking lol

[south garnet]

Lmao I was about to ask

[forest scaffold]

Because VOC is only so good because the whole tree sucks ass

[slow spade]

Veteran should get their 200 toughness back

No reason why

[forest scaffold]

and it has the nearly perfect location for divvying the tree up

to maximize point useage

[crude wind]

10% to put down 2 smokes

holy shit

[empty creek]

the revive stuff is tight & i dont get the complaints

[crude wind]

that sounds almost too strong

[slow spade]

Revive is shit, don't get hit

[south garnet]

*holy smokes

[forest scaffold]

People aren't picking VOC because its the best

[potent iris]

oop was afk, what am I doing?

[forest scaffold]

they're picking it because its strong and is perfect for using the tree perfectly

[empty creek]

dont expect ideals cuz thats not how it works

[bitter turtle]

who needs revive shout

[crude wind]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-damn-mind-blown-oh-snap-gif-15196450

[bitter turtle]

simply throw your twinned smoke on your dying teammate

[empty creek]

gas ur teammate

[slow spade]

There's a plasma gun chart that shows the damage difference between Charge Rate

[forest scaffold]

What is this even showing

[empty creek]

drop smokes on them then ignore, then say U couldnt find them

[slow spade]

Idk where the full thing is

[glacial peak]

could you pin this charts showing how charge rate effects plasma gun damage pls

[forest scaffold]

Is that your damage at different charge rates?

[kind scarab]

People are only picking shout, cause it's a crutch to let people get away with bad movement habits and terrible marksman skills

[potent iris]

revive shout is aight, though it falls into that odd category of "maybe if you just shouted more often instead of saving it, you wouldn't need to have the revive in the first place"

[empty creek]

real AF

[south garnet]

Buried in a thick layer of particulates, a true soldier's burial

[slow spade]

Yes, with plasma

[bitter turtle]

in all seriousness

i'd take revive shout if it rescued teammates

and untrapped them

[forest scaffold]

so 80% charge rate is the most damage?

[bitter turtle]

it only saves them from downs

[slow spade]

73%

[glacial peak]

no 73%

[forest scaffold]

oh I see that now

[forest scaffold]

but its 5 damage

[bitter turtle]

was very disappointed when i tried it recently

[empty creek]

i need a mod that changes the shout 2 a huge assripper that reverberates

[forest scaffold]

so I don't really give a shit

[glacial peak]

ty ty incan

[forest scaffold]

Mostly what its pointing out is that low charge rate bad

high charge rate good

[crude wind]

ah yes

the sacred 73% charge rate

[south garnet]

The revive node feels like it should be attached to stealth, and also save trapped/hanging teammates. Like if you run over them while stealthed

[glacial peak]

its cursed and the world should know

[crude wind]

it would take you countless millions of plasteel

[slow spade]

5% damage

That's a whole ass node 😔

[crude wind]

to get an 80/80/73/72/65 plasma

[forest scaffold]

these are the two I have anyway

[crude wind]

i.e. the perfect roll

[slow spade]

???

[kind scarab]

5% damage on a gun that don't really need it tho

[slow spade]

Just don't be unlucky

[candid bridge]

BAH GAWD ITS BEEN PINNED

[slow spade]

-1 node tax

[sharp tinsel]

So what is the general preferred Lucius lasgun with the current Vet?

[forest scaffold]

Uh

[slow spade]

I'll fucking take it

[forest scaffold]

its not 5%

[empty creek]

https://youtu.be/Q_9VMaX61nI?si=dnrBehKXA2fExdku
can somebody make a mod that replaces the veteran shout lines w/ this sound effect

[crude wind]

i'd have better odds winning the lottery

[forest scaffold]

690 and 695 does not equal 5% damage

[slow spade]

MK3 for kills

[forest scaffold]

its literally 5 damage

[obsidian umbra]

How good is bloodletter blessing for a chainsword? I was thinking of using that since i got kinda bad boss damage in a build im trying

[candid bridge]

But make it server side so everyone in game can hear it

[crude wind]

I like it

[kind scarab]

Better than nothing

[forest scaffold]

I'm sure there's a breakpoint SOMEWHERE in the game that cares about a literal 5 damage

[empty creek]

just hotmic it

[forest scaffold]

but its not one that's relevant

[empty creek]

adds 2 the experience

[slow spade]

Was a joke that it'd save you a node

Because vet has highest node tax

[forest scaffold]

I'm too ogryn for humor

[kind scarab]

Combine it with the special = Crit blessing and you got a decent thing going where you can just spam that with a push shove for funny kills

[forest scaffold]

See: Name

[slow spade]

Was not translated well

[south garnet]

Rather than revive being used on an ult it arguably makes worse, and stealth being used as a "leave my team in the dust" ability by most people, attaching revive to it would shift that tendency

[kind scarab]

You effectively just jam your whole CS into an enemy watching blood spray everywhere

[slow spade]

Stealth with faster revive would be neat

[glacial peak]

its mostly for posterity so we can point to something when people ask why 73% is optimal

[south garnet]

(And let it save trapped/hanging)

[crude wind]

there are enemies you can one tap with special + bleed, it does stuff and has good UY. also interacts with brittleness/rending so thats cool

[untold mulch]

Thats a random thought, that I nver thought

I suppose not, las needs to be too focused for a grenade to work

[glacial peak]

because holy fuck its cursed

[slow spade]

If you overcharge a lasgun to make it explode, does that count?

[crude wind]

i love being able to give that answer

[slow spade]

Iirc its basically a melta blast

[crude wind]

"73"

"why"

🤷‍♂️

[glacial peak]

"idk tic rate or some shit"

[untold mulch]

GOOD POINT

Depends on how the explosion is

[glacial peak]

"look at this chart"

[crude wind]

its just nonsensically stupid and i love it

[mystic belfry]

One shot in many directions, with barrels like holes in a Waffle ball

[slow spade]

Iirc, lorewise doing that is basically a krak grenade

[untold mulch]

Disco Death

[slow spade]

Also you're 100% getting executed after the battle

[mystic belfry]

And a single tiny thruster to make it spin

[forest scaffold]

Oh yeah, i get it.

[untold mulch]

Not if you steal a battery from a dead body

[kind scarab]

The correct answer to why, when it comes to anything in this game, is cause Fatshark's code functions off of warp fuckery and the sacrifice of junior programmers.

[slow spade]

:p

[forest scaffold]

Its just. . . not something I'm ever going to personally care about because its gonna get patched at some point

[kind scarab]

It's all chaos and spaghetti code down there.

[forest scaffold]

Not to mention its not really making or breaking breakpoints

[candid bridge]

Immeasurably complex

[slow spade]

Watch the new update comes out and you need a 73% charge rate plasma for new breakpoints on rager or some shit

[kind scarab]

As complex as dropping a can of alphabet soup, and finding the words ay lmao on the ground

[forest scaffold]

one day this will get a damage buff

I believe

[slow spade]

I thought those were pretty good now?

[forest scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[slow spade]

Or was that the Columbus

[untold mulch]

I see it, but also, krak and frag just does that job better

I assume the ammount of tech to make something like that would be just not a good idea

[forest scaffold]

The Graia? Abso-fucking-lutely not

[south garnet]

Darktide backend code is powered by Frigidaire interface software embedded in ATM firmware

[kind scarab]

Colum is pretty good rn

[slow spade]

Rip

[glacial peak]

73 to 74 tho loses you 30 damage which is about 5% tho

[untold mulch]

Graias aren't to my knowledge

[forest scaffold]

The ammo pool didn't really do anything

[mystic belfry]

It’s for memes not function

[slow spade]

Ah ok

[empty creek]

SRRY 4 the broken up images but how poopshit is this

[forest scaffold]

Its damage and collateral is still just super fucking ass

[untold mulch]

FAIR

[forest scaffold]

collat as in stagger

[timber raven]

what are people running for stats/blessings/perks on their plasmas now?

[slow spade]

Yeah I wasn't sure if it was Columbus or Graia

[kind scarab]

For what weapon?

[mystic belfry]

The real nade would just be detonating plasma

[kind scarab]

But before you fully answer, it's kinda shiet

[forest scaffold]

I think you change flak to unyielding?

[midnight mortar]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[forest scaffold]

on the ideal plasma?

[empty creek]

perfect

[timber raven]

Cheers, appreciated

[forest scaffold]

But something like that

I ran flak/maniac before patch 13

[timber raven]

whats the dump stat?

[untold mulch]

Thats beautiful

[forest scaffold]

for rager/mauler one-shot breakpoints

[timber raven]

thermal?

[forest scaffold]

But I don't think flak does anything now

Which is pain

[kind scarab]

So what weapon are you using for that setup?

[forest scaffold]

Ah

I'd run carapace/maniac

on plasma personally

for the rager one-shot BP into the chest

[kind scarab]

Aight, so here's what you're going to wanna do

[forest scaffold]

or unyielding/maniac

[mystic belfry]

Unarmored infected ofc

[kind scarab]

You need something that's anti-armor with your setup

[forest scaffold]

carapace and unyielding are of equal value to me

[empty creek]

errrm

[empty creek]

?

im still working on this 1 but it's fine 4 now

[mystic belfry]

Claw can be anti armor

[forest scaffold]

Hmm

There's a couple answers to the perks on this

[bitter turtle]

agri iag can kill crushers

[kind scarab]

You can keep the devil claw, that PS sucks honestly

[empty creek]

LOL

[bitter turtle]

as long as you onslaught

[empty creek]

aight

[forest scaffold]

Maniac: Rager chest osbp

Unyielding: Reaper headshot osbp

Carapace: crusher headshot osbp

[bitter turtle]

its not as good at it as column but its workable

[south garnet]

no. shovel, autopistol and smoke grenades

[forest scaffold]

I think they're all viable choices

[kind scarab]

Lemme change up your build a bit, I'll drop you a screenshot

[glacial peak]

dc parry is kinda nutty for maulers

[kind scarab]

Shove and autopistol can deal with armor

With the right setup

[south garnet]

no blessings, level 1 ratings

[mystic belfry]

Nope. Whatever I like is viable and whatever I don’t like is not viable

[unreal mulch]

revolver vet is so good rn, easily double the damage of everyone its crazy

[forest scaffold]

flak is dead on the plasma gun though

it doesn't give you any breakpoints

Plasma gun needs another ~10% flak ADM

[unkempt lagoon]

so based

[empty creek]

wish i wasn't a braindead fun addict who cnat read i love horrible builds

[timber raven]

haha look what I got on my first roll, no changes

[forest scaffold]

to get breakpoints off of the flak perk

[forest scaffold]

Actually perfect

[south garnet]

the real darktide endgame is coming up with convoluted builds to find excuses to run the trashiest possible weapons

[forest scaffold]

Swap perks to the three I listed

[empty creek]

This is damnation ready.

[mystic belfry]

Revolver or las pistol are the best melee vet guns

[forest scaffold]

Your choice as to which two you pick

They're all good

[mystic belfry]

In that order

[kind scarab]

There ya go

I kept your tree as similar to your original one as possible

[ruby fulcrum]

Maniac/elite imo for plasma

[kind scarab]

But built for the weapons you picked

[forest scaffold]

what is elite doing for you though

Does it get you the crusher one-shot?

[empty creek]

is the extra ammo thing mid or smthng

[ruby fulcrum]

Gets me one shot breakpoints on both gunners and crusher

[empty creek]

the 25%+

[ruby fulcrum]

At least with my build/gun

[tall torrent]

It’s way too deep and not worth the point investment

[kind scarab]

Extra ammo ain't mid for many guns. It's just kinda unnecessary.

[forest scaffold]

Oh, I tend to full charge the plasma gun for elites

[kind scarab]

Not to mention costs too many points on builds that often don't need it, or the things before it.

[forest scaffold]

So I don't notice the snap shot BPs

[mystic belfry]

Extra ammo is great when you don’t have the perks to run ammo aura

[kind scarab]

If you kill enemies in less bullets, you effectively have more bullets.

[ruby fulcrum]

I uncharged shot everything. Unless it's a full crusher pack...

[empty creek]

this is terrible thinking & i hate you

[kind scarab]

This is 100% valid thinking

[glacial peak]

hes right

[forest scaffold]

The problem with plasma gun is charging it doesn't do anything

[empty creek]

i hate him

[mystic belfry]

It’s not

[kind scarab]

If you go from killing an enemy in 2 bullets, to 1 bullet

[forest scaffold]

Other than kills things faster

[mystic belfry]

You have more damage not more bullets

[kind scarab]

You just doubled your ammo economy

[forest scaffold]

but a full charge shot is the same damage as three uncharged ones

[mystic belfry]

It’s different

[empty creek]

i hate the economy

[bitter turtle]

imagine if we just atlked it out with the enemies

[empty creek]

ill try the build though & see how it goes

[bitter turtle]

defeat them with 0 bullets

[forest scaffold]

also it gets around weird shit like just missing BPs

[bitter turtle]

infinite ammo economy

[ruby fulcrum]

Yep. That's why I only charge vs. Crusher packs that I can kill multiple with one charge shot

[empty creek]

My God ...

[kind scarab]

That's called using smokes and Infil spam to pretend you're one of them while your team dies

[ruby fulcrum]

I need to get a new plasma with blaze away though, then I'll probably literally never charge it

[mystic belfry]

Knife has info ammo, it’s pretty dope

[empty creek]

dnd bard tree

sex w/ nurgle

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, Maniac also you gets the oneshot bp on a headshot with an uncharged shot on flamers @timber raven

[mystic belfry]

Imagine needing to reload and not having 100% rending

[forest scaffold]

So maniac+whatever second perk you think you want

Elite, Unyielding, Carapace

doesn't really matter at the end of the day

[mystic belfry]

Just run dagger and you don’t need carapace

[kind scarab]

Ezpz. Grab your gun. Go to the meat grinder on T5

[timber raven]

Ill try carapace and unyielding first for some boss damage