veteran-class

[glacial peak]

yeah

[mystic belfry]

Yeah it’s fine

[glacial peak]

its balanced if not unintuitive

[slow spade]

But helps to know because you can tank 2 melee hits back to back if you time it right

[mystic belfry]

Between massive toughness durability and crazy knife dodge

You simply don’t die much

[slow spade]

Hit -> voc runs out -> hit again -> no damage

[slow spade]

I like to use it to facetank while power sword sweeping

[mystic belfry]

Stealth knife feels more like a crutch than anything to me tbh

[slow spade]

Block is shit -> don't block

[mystic belfry]

Nah I block a bit too

[slow spade]

Cringe

[mystic belfry]

Also mark six power sword his reduced block cost

Don’t sleep on it

[slow spade]

Real Veterans eat the 80 hp loss from 1 groaner UwU

[mystic belfry]

You can face tank a rager combo with block

[slow spade]

Its only -25%, while I could be getting 100% of the kills 💪

[mystic belfry]

Claw sword also has the spicy blocks

[languid escarp]

You mean counter

[mystic belfry]

Claw sword with reduced block cost is unkillable in melee

Yes parry

Spicy block

[slow spade]

Yeah a shame the parry doesn't get affected by Block Efficiency

[mystic belfry]

Hmm, really? I was lied too. Stam then

[slow spade]

At least the funny Desperado finesse damage does

[slow spade]

Its based on timing it seems

The earlier your parry, the cheaper it is

Could be why the difference in parry cost

Though I haven't looked too deep personally

[glacial peak]

from someone who played mostly zealot after i finally "got it" (learned not to play like an idiot because i could simply refuse to die every 2 minutes) melee vet is juiced as fuck

[slow spade]

(Didn't stuff block and stam curios and try to facetank a daemonhost)

[slow spade]

Yeah melee Vet feels like squishier but more damage Zealot

More damage if you use power sword that is

[glacial peak]

me exploding btw

[languid escarp]

Is zealot really that tanky? Vet is pretty darn tanky with VoC and Iron Will

[mystic belfry]

Melee zealot and melee vet are my favorite builds

[glacial peak]

power sword 6 feels unethical

[mystic belfry]

Either or, I don’t prefer either of em

[slow spade]

A properly played Zealot is tankier than Ogryn

It takes an actually good Zealot that can juggle their buffs though

[candid bridge]

Not only tankier but can bigly clutch

[shell ginkgo]

"What killed me?" The sniper

[slow spade]

Yeah I use MK3 on my sharpshooter

And MK6 on my melee

[empty creek]

in my case, the team toughness never seemed 2 be working & it was making it more difficult 4 me 2 help the other goons, though this is what i get 4 never doing anything besides solo quickplay

[candid bridge]

https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17szfm8/oh_boy_here_i_go_clutching_again/

[glacial peak]

id say even if your not doing the really stupid dr stacking with marty and stuff zealot feels like you can recover from a bad situation a lot easier where if you get your toughness popped in a bad situation on vet you kind of just explode

[glacial peak]

there was no sniper sound so i feel my confusion and anger was justified

[mystic belfry]

Zealot is insanely tanky

Like crazy tanky

[shell ginkgo]

Sniper found the suppressor mod.

[glacial peak]

also you can literally refuse to die on a 2 minute cool down

on any zealot build really

[ruby fulcrum]

I feel squisher on my zealot than on my vet or ogryn tbh.

[mystic belfry]

And you can relic

Vet or ogryn are easier to tank with

Zealot is better, at least imo

[glacial peak]

^ thats my take as well

[mystic belfry]

I clutch more consistently with zealot on auric than I do with melee vet

Though both work fine

[glacial peak]

vet and ogryn have a lot of meat to go through in the right situation zealot is able to come back from bad situations if they are already on the back foot

[ruby fulcrum]

Zealot is easier to dodge everything and not get hit in the first place and has a better "oops everything is f'd" up button. Ogryn I just... don't care about anything you take so little damage and generate insane amounts of toughness.

Vet I just yell a lot, am sad about fire though.

[vast wyvern]

Enhance

[glacial peak]

if your already at low hp on vet or orgyn your 2 bad hits away from going down if your on zealot you 2 bad hits away from restoring 70 hp and having thoughness dr to survive anouther 2 minutes with good play

[acoustic wyvern]

vet has best grenades and resources for nade

[mystic belfry]

And relic fire nade is always in your back pocket

[glacial peak]

i fucking love kraks

i fucking love going "yeah fuck that bulwark"

[mystic belfry]

I use krak in the name of the emperor

[acoustic wyvern]

i love going demo vet with shredder grenades

[glacial peak]

i respect the shredder grind

they are very solid nades

[mystic belfry]

Shredder is good, but it’s easier to fit krak on melee vet

[acoustic wyvern]

4 nades, 1 per 60 sec, huge radius and chance for twin nades

[glacial peak]

however krak makes the dopamine flow

[empty creek]

zealot takes weird toughness damage & then they have a lot of health

[acoustic wyvern]

and of course 5% per elite and specialist kills

[mystic belfry]

Considering I usually run revolver and knife, shredder would be better for me

But it’s hard to spare the talent points

[glacial peak]

this is my one fucking complaint with vet your tree always makes you feel like your missing out on something

i have given up on ammo aura

[mystic belfry]

Same

For melee vet

[glacial peak]

yeah

[mystic belfry]

I have to take the 3% damage

So basically no aura

I have exactly one floating point and it’s not enough for either shredder nades or ammo aura

[vast wyvern]

mind sharing a link to your build? am curious

[mystic belfry]

It’s for either melee bleed or 5% melee damage

At work so I can’t

[glacial peak]

do you take both agile and resiprosity?

[glacial peak]

i assume its pretty similar to this

[mystic belfry]

I don’t take the capstone

[acoustic wyvern]

depend on other fvets for survivalist

[candid bridge]

I’d take bleed

That damage can add up quickly

[mystic belfry]

I take bleed with knife

[glacial peak]

30% damage is nice for killing ragers before they can do anything

[mystic belfry]

Because of the one blessing

[glacial peak]

im probably gonna drop the monstrosity damage for agile tbh

[tight dragon]

Am i missing any breakpoints by not being perfect 80/80 on damage and stopping ?

[glacial peak]

between kraks with las pistol for brittleness stacking i really don't feel i need more monster damage

[glacial peak]

79 79 is important for shotgunners i want to say

[mystic belfry]

Knife is a fun monster killer :v

[glacial peak]

im currently using power sword 6 which makes me feel gross but i spent all my plasteel on it so im stuck with it for now

[open sphinx]

who needs to reload ever really

[tight dragon]

to reach oneshot on bodyshot?

[glacial peak]

yeah

for the fast shot

[tight dragon]

rip, so i guess i need that, 72 thermal and decent ammo

[glacial peak]

also remember 73 charge rate is optimal :)

[ruby fulcrum]

Plasma is so close to a bunch of breakpoints gotta test it yourself with your build and tweak to hit the ones you want

[glacial peak]

over that means your losing damage :)

[open sphinx]

damn my gun just nearly oneshots a rager on damnation

[tight dragon]

my build is entirely melee/tank and shout spam

[glacial peak]

inb4 the tree rework removes enough 5% damage nodes to brick most plasma guns

[tight dragon]

that's why i'm building plasma

or trying to at least

[calm vine]

How do you get a photo of your full talent tree?

[ruby fulcrum]

Plz no. The 2 5% ranged damage nodes in the bottom left section let me hit like every breakpoint I wanted to hit lol

[glacial peak]

i use the game lantern builder and zoom out on the page

[calm vine]

Ohh so its outside the game, thanks

[glacial peak]

yup

[tight dragon]

how does that work exacly, i still don't understand why, though less charge time = more dps but does it actually reduce your damage?

[open sphinx]

is this decent enough for a fully charged hellbore shot with firing line active?

[glacial peak]

im not 100% sure about the specfics but it does directly effect your damage and it has to do with the server tic rate

its super fucking cursed

[tight dragon]

wtf fatshark

[unkempt lagoon]

thats so funny

[zealous wyvern]

there was a big sniper laser on you. i think the sniper killed you

[open sphinx]

the tic rate thing is not only in darktide btw

a lot of games have that stupidly enough

hell in tf2 your flamethrower on the pyro has more range with bad ping

[shell ginkgo]

The magical charge chart

[glacial peak]

yeah i know but there was no sound i don't even think i heard the gun fire and he was aiming at the psyker in front of me so i feel justified in my confusion

@potent iris hey incan can we charge rate chart pinned pls

[zealous wyvern]

i think it was the sniper

[glacial peak]

it was

i know that

[zealous wyvern]

it was the sniper

[unkempt lagoon]

in oldschool runescape, you can use 0 mana for as many offensive/defensive boosts if you tap them on and off every 0.6 s (each tick), many of which are balanced around having extremely high mana drain LOL

[zealous wyvern]

you know that it was the sniper?

ok

[shell ginkgo]

🍝

[mystic belfry]

I can two tap a crusher with a knife without stealth

[shell ginkgo]

I love dumb game stuff like that

[open sphinx]

i have fallen in love with the helbore lasgun

i nearly oneshot any elite on damnation

[mystic belfry]

Prayer, not mana you silly goose

And it’s usually called prayer flicking

[unkempt lagoon]

well, for someone thats not played its easier to say mana

[mystic belfry]

Skill issue tbh

[unkempt lagoon]

spit your shit indeed

[alpine fern]

Was not expecting to see osrs when checking the vet chat lol

[unkempt lagoon]

rise up

[kind scarab]

Its simple

Both games have people using the power of prayer to smite their enemies

[alpine fern]

Yknow, you make a good point

[open sphinx]

what are your guys favorite builds so far on veteran?

[kind scarab]

Revolver

Make my enemies crumble

[unkempt lagoon]

support has made me actually enjoy veteran

[forest maple]

Shout, shout, let it all out

[open sphinx]

ive been sitting on infinite ammo atm and sometimes knife jsut to roleplay brimingham

[kind scarab]

Ezpz blow people away

One shot one kill

[open sphinx]

i havnt even seen a plasmagun in store for weeks

[kind scarab]

Leave nothing for the team to kill, if I don't get killed by my team blowing up barrels next to me

[unkempt lagoon]

Infernus is dead on infantry lasguns right

I just rolled infernus 4

[open sphinx]

i use it on my helbore its fun

[kind scarab]

Nah

Infernus is fine

[open sphinx]

plus crit on lasguns is super fun atm

[unkempt lagoon]

Headhunter and the +weakspot damage blessing is better tho no?

[open sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs2-solid-snake-metal-gear-solid2-metal-gear-solid-mgs-gif-27578347

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1172543134975139952/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.10_-_16.26.20.02.mp4

[alpine fern]

Sneaky beaky shenanigans are always fun, and the ole tried and true highlighting enemies and taking them out with your preferred weapon will always be solid

[kind scarab]

Infernus saves you ammo if you have trigger control

[open sphinx]

single shot without firing line on damnation

[kind scarab]

Cause you can just melt mfers without needing to worry about the last 1/3 of their health

[open sphinx]

infernus finished him off

[candid bridge]

You prefer infernus with headhunter or dumdum

[kind scarab]

depends on the gun

Love infernus on my laspistol/recon gun

On laspistol I'll take it alone, since it's already got high crit I go with more damage

On recon, I grab HH with infernus

[candid bridge]

[open sphinx]

my gun atm considering it aint perfect stats or so pretty funs o far

[kind scarab]

Pretty good, not bad

[open sphinx]

i could honestly go for a version that has no % in ammo with this build

i only have to reload if i fire wildly without aiming

[kind scarab]

Yea, helbores don't need ammo as long as you have eyes and know how to use'em

[open sphinx]

plus lasgun crit perk just infinite

[unkempt lagoon]

Do I earn blessing on this or what we thinking

[open sphinx]

also fashion

[kind scarab]

Just earn that one tbh

[open sphinx]

id say keep until you get a second one

[kind scarab]

Lasgun don't need stability, or ammo tbh

At least that one

[open sphinx]

yeah but i dont trust rng to give me that perk at rank 4 ever again lol

[kind scarab]

So just go for one that's got maxed out damage/stopping power, and as much mobility as you're comfortable with

[unkempt lagoon]

yeah the modifier rolls are really nice.. I'll see what I roll on legendary

[candid bridge]

I’d level and see what you get, good stats with a good blessing on it already

[kind scarab]

To be fair, on that type of lasgun, you don't want infernus

You'd want HH + DA

[unkempt lagoon]

game really wants me to keep this I think

[open sphinx]

i wonder if its possible to pulll nearly infinite ammo on the rapid fire lasguns

[open sphinx]

got this lygin around atm

[kind scarab]

Something like this spread of perks/blessings is what you'd want regardless of the infantry gun you got

[candid bridge]

Can still use it as an alternative with full auto mod

[kind scarab]

Not anymore

[unkempt lagoon]

what are maniac enemies even?

[open sphinx]

sad

[open sphinx]

ragers i think

and tox flamers?

[kind scarab]

Maniacs = anything that charges you without caring about its wellbeing

So dogs, mutties, ragers, flamers, etc

[open sphinx]

haha i was half right

[unkempt lagoon]

not bad then

[candid bridge]

Scab ragers are flak

[kind scarab]

^

That's cause they do care about their wellbeing

[unkempt lagoon]

ran out of plasteel, avg, so I'll see once I upgrade it fully

[kind scarab]

They put on armor

[open sphinx]

smartest heretic out there

[kind scarab]

Smartest is the sniper tbh

Mfer hides behind all the other idiots, and tries to kill us from afar

[open sphinx]

i hear you like close damage

[kind scarab]

Cause they know most people can't aim for shit

[open sphinx]

then they see my helbore charging up

[kind scarab]

If you enjoy the helbore. You should try out the revolver before it gets nerf'd

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1167425285369647125/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.10.27_-_13.29.47.02.mp4

[candid bridge]

charges plasma gun with the emperor’s intent

[kind scarab]

Behold, the handcannon

[acoustic wyvern]

oh shit, the chain axe is viable now

[unkempt lagoon]

the revolver is such a beast

[kind scarab]

Unlikely

[unkempt lagoon]

disgusting accuracy

[kind scarab]

What makes you think that?

[acoustic wyvern]

its just a slower chainsword

[kind scarab]

Works great for people who can aim

[open sphinx]

i love my chain axe

mainly for this atm

[fierce lantern]

is it better to go full toughness or a mix of health and toughness for the curios

[kind scarab]

The chainaxe also magnetises you to enemies, which will get you killed in damnation

[open sphinx]

i just use it to go zoom

[acoustic wyvern]

it deals soooo much dmg with special attack

[kind scarab]

You know what else deals a lot of damage, without compromising you if you misclick?

Most other melee weapons

[acoustic wyvern]

i just did like 4 runs on auric with this

[open sphinx]

works

[acoustic wyvern]

the heavy swing is really good

[sharp epoch]

the mobility 💀

[open sphinx]

heavy swing on damnation

[sharp epoch]

under 50% is one less dodge

[candid bridge]

2 toughness and a wound or 3 toughness if you’re comfortable enough

[kind scarab]

The mobility is fine

You don't need a bunch of dodges if you're killing everything

[fierce lantern]

ah okay

[acoustic wyvern]

it shreds through everyyything from mutants to crushers

[fierce lantern]

I have two curios that give 20 and 22 percent health respectively

[kind scarab]

If you have the scoreboard mod, show us what your stats look like

[acoustic wyvern]

ikr? holy shit i need more stickers on chain axe

[fierce lantern]

already specced a little

[sharp epoch]

on malestrom not possible

[acoustic wyvern]

uh hold on

[open sphinx]

although that was also headshot dmg

[kind scarab]

Still possible, it really is just build and playstyle dependent

[candid bridge]

That’s fine until you can get toughness cheerios to replace them. Just you’ll be more susceptible to corruption damage

[acoustic wyvern]

it rekts so much

[fierce lantern]

oh ok

[swift ingot]

I’m very excited about this keystone, mostly because I predicted it and it will also be really damn helpful in team play

[kind scarab]

That keystone is like

The worst of the three

[vagrant narwhal]

Defensesover there like it means nothing for u xd

[candid bridge]

We vets are wet noodles now so more health isn’t worth it.

[crude wind]

it definitely isn't

the worst is the marksman

that one is actually pretty good

[fierce lantern]

what perks are good for the curios then

I got toughness

[acoustic wyvern]

yea the defense lets me shove more

[fierce lantern]

stamina regen

[kind scarab]

Unless that keystone lets you maintain some sort of buffs between the targets that are being killed. I won't see that useful beyond bosses.

[fierce lantern]

and ability cooldown reduction

[kind scarab]

Since in most other situations, everything dies quicker than you'll be marking it.

[crude wind]

all will be revealed soon 🙂

[glacial peak]

you really gonna put 4% cdr on a trinket?

[crude wind]

but tbh in my opinion, the Squad leader keystone is good and actually quite fun

[glacial lantern]

is the recon lasgun still viable?

[fierce lantern]

yes 😭

[kind scarab]

Yes

[crude wind]

viable, yes, but it's not great

[untold mulch]

I assume its getting it, would be dumb not to

[bold ibex]

today i started donig damnation. normally I don't run it because max difficulty feels stressful.

but after doing it more regularly, I'm realizing it's easier than 4/5 difficulty because there's less bads. 😮

[kind scarab]

Dumb is Fatsharks middle name

[untold mulch]

TRUE THAT

[candid bridge]

I personally like toughness, stamina regen and block efficiency on 2 of them, then the 3rd having stamina regen and block efficiency with toughness regen speed

[kind scarab]

Need I remind you of how brainburst came out? And how the current stupid disrupt destiny keystone works?

They never learn.

[bold ibex]

if you like cheesing deadshot, stamina regen goes hard.

Otherwise toughness/toughness regen is nice.

[crude wind]

imo the top perks for Vet curios are:
Stamina regen
Gunner Resist
Combat ability regen (stealth build only OR revive shout)
Block eff
Toughness/Health

[candid bridge]

I use stamina regen for heated melee moments just to get that extra bit back quicker if I run out from shoving

[swift ingot]

I’m wondering what I could cut from my current build to be able to take the middle keystone for my Laspistol setup

[kind scarab]

They keep designing things for the character in mind, while completely forgetting that this is a damn team game first and foremost. So lots of the buffs and work you gotta put in to actually achieve them tend to just not work once placed into a group scenario

Lets also ignore the fact disrupt destiny sometimes will also just straight up not mark enemies rn

[crude wind]

Disrupt Destiny is hot fucking garbage imo

the second I read the tooltip my brain just shut off

[swift ingot]

Middle keystone has me pretty excited, because Witch Hunter Captain maxing

[crude wind]

but some people love it so, one man's garbage is another's gold n all that

[crude wind]

it's fun 🙂

[kind scarab]

Disrupt has great potential, but it's terribly designed for a coop shooter.

If it were made for a singleplayer game, it would have worked much better. Since you ain't getting cockblocked by teammates.

[hearty panther]

'Teammates taking the kill' isn't even in my top 10 issues with DD tbh

[crude wind]

I think the reason I hate it so much is its another fucking minigame in the class that's just minigames within minigames

[swift ingot]

Part of me wants to say fuck the ammo aura so I can save the extra point

[edgy condor]

What should I change on this? And is it a decent roll?

[kind scarab]

That's honestly a valid argument for the whole keystone branch tbh

[fierce lantern]

that’s a lot of cleave

[crude wind]

lol, yeah... Psyker tree is a state

[candid bridge]

Switch out devastating strike blessing and sprint efficiency perk

[vast wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/j-alexander-clutching-my-pearls-excuse-me-shookt-triggered-gif-10154701

reloads plasma with animation cancels

[kind scarab]

My issue stems from the fact that it's not even it's only issue. Considering that and brainburst both have the design flaw of just punishing you for having competent teammates.

[crude wind]

but they seem very happy

[swift ingot]

I will try this when the update drops, but I’ll definitely tweak it a lot till I find a setup I like, thanks anyways

[astral ingot]

[kind scarab]

It's almost like everyone who went around designing stuff for those classes did it while only intending to play those classes in a vaccuum

[crude wind]

the ogryn punishes teams by just being an ogryn sometimes

I'm referring to shot blocking ofc

whyyyyyyy ;_;

[kind scarab]

My mans fat cheeks are one of the primary reasons I use Ex stance.

Only way I can see through him to land my shots.

[candid bridge]

As a vet player, When I play ogryn I purposely stand behind my team lol

[vagrant narwhal]

Say it. Do it :)

[swift ingot]

I could also just axe duck and dive entirely because I’ve played a lot without it using Deadshot

[crude wind]

Plasma and Executioner stance mandatory for ogryn teammate games XD

[vagrant narwhal]

3% dmg kinda useless but i couldn't care less XD

[swift ingot]

Yeah fuck it I’m doing it

[vast wyvern]

you dont need to see, if an ogryn is infront of you he's protecting you, just shoot his booty

[untold mulch]

i try to either stand to the side

or use bullrush to be behind the enemies

and do linebreak

[kind scarab]

Revolver also works fine thankfully.

[swift ingot]

Same, damage is damage

[kind scarab]

If only there was team damage, so I could put him in the ground for a bit to clear out problems. Vermintide style.

[candid bridge]

Yep

[untold mulch]

Hey, it may save you an extra shot

Like once a mission

[crude wind]

You can totally play without Scavenger on certain weapons

Las weapons are fine to build without Scavenger, you have a million ways to get crit chance and shock trooper exists

[swift ingot]

I know, I’ve played without it a lot on Laspistol

[crude wind]

imagine if they removed Scavenger, the levels of salt man

[idle dirge]

Revolver is fine without scavenger if you’re doing a melee-focused build imo

[hearty panther]

Ik I can hardly wait

[kind scarab]

Helbore users would cry for days, about needing to pick up ammo.

[swift ingot]

I hope they remove some tax nodes in the vet tree

[untold mulch]

Would need an entire ammo rebalance for Vets

[kind scarab]

Nah

[idle dirge]

They do, at least near the bottom. Dunno how much changes above

[untold mulch]

I fear we getting shit

[kind scarab]

The real issue isn't that veterans would need ammo

[untold mulch]

Idk, the image of part 2 trailer was 🤨

[kind scarab]

it's literally all the other classes that would suffer more by you not having scav

[untold mulch]

[crude wind]

in my dream world, Scavenger dies a death, is replaced by a stamina regen aura, and Vet is given a little bit of personal (NOT team) ammo sustain as part of each keystone mechanic

a man can dream

a man can fucking dream

[sharp epoch]

should just be one of the starting nodes a vet can take like psyker

[hearty panther]

Scavenger dies, Vet can keep a selfish regen node to be shootyboi, everyone else gets an ammo reserve buff to compensate

[candid bridge]

The whole point of vet is we’re the good shooty shoot shooters, removing it entirely would be silly. Maybe an internal timer on how often it gives ammo back would be fine

[frank ether]

thats a good dream

[hearty panther]

Team ammo regen aura is just busted tho

[idle dirge]

The dependency people have on scavenger is cringe

[crude wind]

removing it is absolutely necessary at some point for the health of the game

[kind scarab]

He's removing the team-ammo regen sharing. Not Vet ammo regen.

[crude wind]

it warps class balance

i DO think

[fierce lantern]

is bolter good for damnation?

[crude wind]

that vet should have SOME ammo sustain

[fierce lantern]

I feel like it has no sustain

[frank ether]

nuking scavenger would also liberate vet from getting harassed to run it

[hearty panther]

Bottomless kickback lol

[crude wind]

but not a team fucking wide aura that breaks the game

[kind scarab]

Yes, so long as you use it correctly.

Your options are to build it for Boss nuking, or elite/special sniping.

[fierce lantern]

would surgical be good for it?

[kind scarab]

If you're using it for pox horde crowd control, you deserve to not have ammo

[swift ingot]

I don’t really depend on it but it’s really nice to have when I’m running kickback on Ogryn

[kind scarab]

Surgical is great for the sniping side of things, yes.

[crude wind]

Surgical is good for it yeah

[kind scarab]

You've wanted Cavalcade for the boss magdumping, along with pinning fire.

[candid bridge]

That’s fine, then maybe make the aura a faster reload for other teammates

[fierce lantern]

it’s pretty good when I’m faced against 5 crushers in tandem

[crude wind]

i still like brittleness blessing for bolter

but Doc is right

a few ways u can build it now

[crude wind]

that could be cool. i'd like to see more auras like this. less stats more cool effects, like zealot corruption regen

[kind scarab]

Personally I like brittle+Surgical for dealing with more issues than just bosses

[crude wind]

this would be my pick as well

bolter is pretty fun now it's not uber broken, fun Deadshot weapon as well

[spark arrow]

about to drop this question here. curious what you guys think. do you think the healthbars mod is cheating? carrying this over from the zealot class chat. but im a vet main and i want to hear out my fellow guardsman

[kind scarab]

Yeap. It's an oversized stubby sniper built like that, that shoots can sized nope at enemies.

[crude wind]

nahhh not really, but it's on the line imo

[fierce lantern]

I do have shattering impact and surgical on my bolter

[crude wind]

like, cheating would be a macro for laspistol

healthbars is extra information

I have it and don't run it anymore cause I'm just used to enemy hit points and weapon values

but it's definitely makes you SUPER efficient

[spark arrow]

i use the mod and as long as FS isnt banning it ill take advantage but ive done a lightsout auric maelstrom and that mod definitely boosted my survivability past where it should be. thats how the convo started

[hearty panther]

I do think people sniping elites out during lights off thanks to healthbars is pretty annoying

[kind scarab]

Technically. Yes. It's totally cheating, cause it'll effectively give you #1 knowledge about what to prioritise to kill, to save your ass and your teams ass and #2 It'll give you the exact location of an enemy based on the position of the health bar, effectively letting you dump right under the middle of the bar to headshot anything if you know what you're shooting at

Do I think it matters? Nah.

[swift ingot]

Been almost 5 months and not a Dum Dum 4 in sight

[hearty panther]

And I also find people with healthbar mod don't tag as often as they should because "hes right there with a healthbar"

[spark arrow]

ok i called it soft cheating and 20 people jumped down my throat.

[candid bridge]

I use healthbar mod and I tag furiously lol

[spark arrow]

thanks for confirming im not insnae

[kind scarab]

Those people have massive skill issues and are lying to themselves

[swift ingot]

I used to use health bars but they got in the way a lot

[hollow turtle]

Lol I don't use healthbars because "my immursion"

[kind scarab]

And that's coming from me, and I use the healthbar mod so I can see how much health Ogryns are packing while ingame

[swift ingot]

That as well

[hollow turtle]

You concerned about health? Just ||git gud and|| kill them faster.

[kind scarab]

I'm fine with immersion breaking, cause otherwise my eyes have issues actually breaking apart the scenery sometimes

[candid bridge]

I use healthbar mod cause my vet uses the headset scouter eye piece to read enemies power levels

[kind scarab]

Checks out

[hollow turtle]

Lol fair

[tall anvil]

i finally reached level 30 with the vet, i can now put it on the shelf of forgotten classes and never touch it again

[kind scarab]

See, it doesn't change anything for me when I run it. Since I'm always using weapons that oneshot anyway.

[hollow turtle]

So why bother with healthbars if you'll kill them before the healthbar even appears?

Unless healthbar mod always has those active at all times

Not that I know.

[kind scarab]

I use it for the ogryns, since sometimes they'll be staggered flopping on the ground and I ain't sure they dead

[hollow turtle]

You shoot them until they stop moving.

Lol

[kind scarab]

Can't see them behind hordes of pox

[spark arrow]

more to know whats around. smite goes off and you have info on everything in the room i guess. you can tell theres a gunner hiding behind cover on a balcony because he took 1 damage from something without the need for a tag

[kind scarab]

But if I see the health bar

Means I need to shoot one more time

[south garnet]

Health bars are absolutely a "soft cheat" yea

[hollow turtle]

"Shoot him again.. His soul is still dancing."

[kind scarab]

The funniest part

[tight dragon]

what blessings do people go for on curios, i assume gunner DR isn't that great on vet

[kind scarab]

I run ex stance anyway

So I always know where the enemies are regardless

If only ex stance didn't fucking run out when killing Ogryns

[candid bridge]

I personally like toughness, stamina regen and block efficiency on 2 of them, then the 3rd having stamina regen and block efficiency with toughness regen speed

[kind scarab]

I miss the old way it worked

[midnight mortar]

That's a pretty weird flex, but you do you man.

[hollow turtle]

Gunner and Sniper DR is the Go To DRs of curios.

[candid bridge]

2 toughness cheerios and a wound or if you’re comfortable enough all 3 toughness

[untold mulch]

I am thiking of changing my toughness for Gunner DR

[tall anvil]

i got every class to 30 finally, the vet took the longest because a monkey eating a gaming mouse has better aim than me! @midnight mortar

[fierce lantern]

wait how does the charge thing work on the plasma gun

[tight dragon]

doesn't vet already have a ton of gunner dr from talents?

[fierce lantern]

the more heat = more damage?

[kind scarab]

This is my current setup on my vet

Just two of these and one that has toughness instead

[wanton dawn]

Freaking zealot got a haymaker proc on the scab captain boss

[hollow turtle]

These are my curious on veteran right now. All of them are max perk stat.

[kind scarab]

I technically don't need the stamina on my build, for my deadshot stuff specifically

But I like it, for being able to run longer

I don't really need the toughness either, but I can't be arsed to change my curio

[hollow turtle]

You'd actually be surprised. At full toughness, and a couple of headshots (damage resistance w/ headshot passive), I can actually tank a sniper hit without damage.

[kind scarab]

I don't mind getting shot by a sniper here or there, assuming I don't notice it

[wanton dawn]

Ppl are gonna rofl at my curios setup

[kind scarab]

It's not like any enemies are often hitting me anyway

[mighty cape]

Triple +Dockets on Curios 💪

[kind scarab]

Show us your royal jewels

[hollow turtle]

So we can laugh at it

[candid bridge]

My cheerios set up

[fierce lantern]

does toughness damage count as damage for the no melee damage challenge

[kind scarab]

No

[fierce lantern]

not gonna lie im selling my team trying to do these

💀

[kind scarab]

Bruh, it's not hard to do

[wanton dawn]

While you ppl are busy trying to find the best setup, i am just running

[astral ingot]

only hp damage counts

[hollow turtle]

Now see, at least you have a wound curio on there.

[mighty cape]

I love Stam Eff + Block Eff

[fierce lantern]

it’s hard for me!

[astral ingot]

including corruption from grims

[kind scarab]

Just grab everything in the tree that gives you toughness regen, grab shout for the extra toughness cap

[tight dragon]

i never even get to block that much on vet tbf

[kind scarab]

And then play ranged

[south garnet]

What in the world

[candid bridge]

I sometimes switch it out for a 3rd toughness if I’m feeling frosty

[hollow turtle]

Do you even go down, bro? XD

[untold mulch]

I have stopped running wound curio on my vet

[kind scarab]

I only run wounds on my zealot cause martyrdom

Beyond that, I'm keeping my Vermintide mentality.

if you go down more than once, you deserve to die

[fierce lantern]

yeah wound isn’t worth it for me

[south garnet]

I just do wound/stam/tough on every build, then tough regen/extra toughness/Stam regen on them.

All a part of this balanced breakfast

[astral ingot]

why even use matyrdom when momentum exists

[hollow turtle]

I need mah colors to shoot well under pressure.

[calm shard]

full health, health, toughness on every trinket, and gunner resist

then the once in a blue moon I fail to dodge a sniper I die instantly as fatshark intends

[kind scarab]

Because i can oneshot a demonhost before it's realizes it's being sent to the shadow realm

[fierce lantern]

how do you utilize plasma gun

[mighty cape]

Me: goes down and deserves it, so has to plan for it 😔

[kind scarab]

You is a feesh

Feesh aren't meant to be standing

You can have all the wounds you want

[hollow turtle]

Ironically, I have 3 wounds, but I'll die in the first down because of how many fricking poxbursters there are in one go.

[mighty cape]

1 wound 🙂

[hollow turtle]

They run a train on you

Literally.

[kind scarab]

My favourite is getting grabbed by a silent muttie

Then the train of pox blow up on you while he's holding you down

[astral ingot]

conga poxbursters aren't that much of an issue anymore

[south garnet]

Silent crushers should be illegal

[astral ingot]

since they fixed them bumping into each other

[candid bridge]

And maulers

[hollow turtle]

Lol for me, its the silent trapper. Tying you down for a violation.

[candid bridge]

They’re all using dead silence

[kind scarab]

Turns out, all the silent specials were actually veterans using their ult the whole time

4 more days

[astral ingot]

hidden alpha legion vet tree (spawn specials on your friends)

[south garnet]

Until it's next week

[fierce lantern]

is only in death does duty end worth the investment?

[empty creek]

[fierce lantern]

I think it only worked once for me

[astral ingot]

not really

[south garnet]

Later this week it will be next week, then it will be this month

[astral ingot]

you have to be on top of someone

[kind scarab]

More specifically, 4 more days till shit hits the fan here

[astral ingot]

and even then if you can't get a normal res off then both of you are fucked to begin with

[kind scarab]

[fierce lantern]

so it’s not like the payday perk where you shout from range

😭

[empty creek]

4 more days b4 this server becomes a grim reflection of early 2000s iraq (if the update doesn’t drop)

[astral ingot]

it's like a 9 meter range

so almost point blank

[fierce lantern]

does the +50% aura boost the range

[astral ingot]

aura boost is for coherency

[fierce lantern]

oh ok

[kind scarab]

Don't believe so, no

[hollow turtle]

I had a match two days ago where I got separated and literally all the specials were hunting me while my team was dealing with horde. I did not survive, but the team reassured me the enemies were all too busy trying to pounce, trap, grab, burn, and snipe me that they did not bother the team in that time. 😐

[south garnet]

Watch them update the tree but not fix any of the bugged nodes or descriptions and all the new keystone nodes are bugged too

[hollow turtle]

So I guess I did my job.

[south garnet]

Here's ur tree pal

Merry christmas

[astral ingot]

I've seen the res shout ability come in clutch only once. I was being a dipshit and died at the drop, and a buddy used it under me to res me

[wanton dawn]

the real question is to i get up when i go down

[empty creek]

it doesnt seem that bad, ive revived people far away thru walls & shit w/ the shout

i get crazy mileage out of it

[kind scarab]

Sounds like my games, except I keep the great equaliser in my pocket. The revolver. So they die instead of me.

[astral ingot]

the main problem is the current vet tree is starved for talent points and I'd rather just use it elsewhere

[fierce lantern]

it’s good when there’s a literal horde surrounding the downed player but only when you can reach the downed player

you are never in range for such

[empty creek]

i personally feel like the vet tree is pretty good, & the coming changes got me nervous AF

[hollow turtle]

Lol I just couldn't stop it. It was like two mutants, a hound, two trappers, two tox flamers, a grenadier, and a couple of bruisers in the mix.

[empty creek]

i hope my shit doesn’t change too much BC ive been having a hell of a lot of fun recently

[hollow turtle]

Dancing on fire.

[kind scarab]

Sounds like a party

[fierce lantern]

what’s happening to the tree in the next update

[kind scarab]

It gonna change

[hard cave]

post vet drip

[empty creek]

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-25423531

[kind scarab]

We losing a bunch of tax nodes, aka travel nodes. And we're getting keystones that are.... interesting.

[fierce lantern]

interesting doesn’t mean good

😭

[empty creek]

what were the keystones

[hollow turtle]

I'm hoping it won't alter the way I like to play infil/lowprof/2x charge with 3 krak grenades, survivalist and a fuck ton of ranged damage.

[kind scarab]

Can't be bothered to go get the screenshots rn

[empty creek]

ive only heard that they’re changing but haven’t seen anything

[kind scarab]

lemme just say they're definitely... something

[empty creek]

fck

[kind scarab]

[empty creek]

[kind scarab]

TLDR: Headshot keystone, Marking enemy keystone, Weapon switching keystone

[empty creek]

instantly gave me a headache

[kind scarab]

The easiest one to use is going to be the weapon switching keystone for most people

Since you already switch between yer melee and ranged all the time without worrying about it

So just use that.

[fierce lantern]

does it increase weapon switching speed

[empty creek]

even then, it’s mundane

[south garnet]

Each keystone is some variant of "walk 3 times widdershins in the glow of a full moon on Saturn's alignment at the top of a mountain you climb after dusk to receive the blessing of weakspot damage unless a mosquito visits you during your climb in which case you are cursed to half walk speed and we take away your dockets and delete your character"

[astral ingot]

what you mean

[kind scarab]

I think there's a subnode for that

[astral ingot]

I will not switch from my lasgun

simple as

dies to poxwalkers

[kind scarab]

I have made a few predictions for the subnodes the keystones have based on their art

[fierce lantern]

does nobody use shotguns

[kind scarab]

Yes

[fierce lantern]

yeah I haven’t seen many use it

[empty creek]

if i don’t drop a frag every time i switch weapons w/ the new changes im killing myself

[kind scarab]

I think a solid, 5% of vets use shotguns?

[kind scarab]

You're already dead.

[empty creek]

[fierce lantern]

would it be good when grinding for the accuracy challenge

[empty creek]

furry satan dragging me 2 hell bruh

[fierce lantern]

since it’s spreadshot

[kind scarab]

It works

[candid bridge]

Revolver or Bolter

[kind scarab]

Wrong message, thanks discord

[empty creek]

IMO the issue w/ the shotguns & vets is the ammo economy

[hollow turtle]

Think the changes are going to break this?

[kind scarab]

Shotgun, revolver, plasma gun are best choices for that penance

[kind scarab]

For what weapon?

[astral ingot]

the entire tree is getting a rework so probably

[hollow turtle]

Lasgun IA

[unkempt lagoon]

I've been getting reaally good use out of the mk7 shotgun

[kind scarab]

Nah that Lasgun will be fine

[unkempt lagoon]

with support vet

[empty creek]

the shotgun w/ the spreadshot instead of fire shot alt definitely seems better

the fire is cool but can’t fuck as hard

[hollow turtle]

That stun immunity is quite something when you're playing ranged.

[candid bridge]

Shotguns are also p good with stealth vet

[unkempt lagoon]

thats the mk6

mk7 is the slug shot

[kind scarab]

I think you'll be losing the stun immunity

[unkempt lagoon]

just feels so good

[hollow turtle]

Sorry I meant suppression.

[kind scarab]

You'll be point starved

[hollow turtle]

Lol

[empty creek]

stealth vet is nerdy but i do enjoy seeing dudes using the smoke grenades 2 good effect

[hollow turtle]

Damn it

[sharp epoch]

i had a smoke grenade vet just throwing out his grenades for fun

[kind scarab]

Unless ofc, you go for the lower left keystone, and just build for finesse damage

Smoke vet built right can throw a grenade for literally more than half the whole duration of the match

[hollow turtle]

I like to imagine I leave my teammates in shock whenever I use infil/lowprofile at a hack terminal out in the most exposed area possible and then come back unharmed.

[mystic belfry]

Lower left with capstone gets you to two tap with power sword six on crushers iirc

[kind scarab]

We're talking about the next vet tree rework

Not current tree

[mystic belfry]

Ah, just don’t go lower left

[kind scarab]

Based on his preferred build, he'll have to

He more than likely won't have enough points to invest in the other capstones as heavily as just going full left node

[hollow turtle]

Lol I do not let my team do the hacks.

[mystic belfry]

Just don’t capstone

[hollow turtle]

The only gadget they operate is placing the skull probe cypher ident things.

[empty creek]

hacking always gets shoved on either the ogryn or the vet

[hollow turtle]

Lol you know you're actually right. I don't see psykers or zealots do it often.

[kind scarab]

You do realise that to have the capstones put on our tree, they had to remove a bunch of our other damage dealing nodes, and travel nodes for balance sake right?

[empty creek]

the zealot’s usually a sweat & letting the psyker do anything besides fight means everybody dies

[kind scarab]

He gonna need a capstone more than likely

[hollow turtle]

THIS. Protect your friendly neighbourhood freak psyker

[thick kestrel]

huh... ran into a fascinating little issue regarding the Tactical Axe and Trench Fighter.

looks like you attack so quickly that some of the attacks animation cancel on them selves and won't make contact against opponents.

[mystic belfry]

When I’m on zealot I prefer to not do it so I’m free to relic ult

[empty creek]

psykers R sensitive little freaks & they’re always the most DPS if they aren’t mid

[thick kestrel]

using a mkVII for reference

[kind scarab]

Your first mistake is using the tac axe

[edgy condor]

FUCK YES my suffering is at an end I can finally start saving my plasteel for an update oh praise the Emperor! POWER CYCLER 4 at long last!

[fierce lantern]

is the mk vi plasma sword any good

[thick kestrel]

but using trenchfighter and swinging at the back of a crusher and the upwards->right swing will miss every couple of attacks

[fierce lantern]

I use it for light only

[mystic belfry]

I mean 70% of them are using the glitch staff atm

[hollow turtle]

Me when I switch to my psyker for contract purposes.

[mystic belfry]

Ofc they top the board

[kind scarab]

MK6 is great for single target damage, MK3 better for horde clearing

[hollow turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaaaaa-gif-18979345

[kind scarab]

Most people here will say they prefer the Mk6 over the MK3

Personally, I prefer the MK3

[fierce lantern]

I will use the trench shovel instead

[thick kestrel]

nah, been having plenty of success with the tactical axe using desparado :>

[mystic belfry]

Except mark six is still perfectly fine at horde clear

So it’s just better

[empty creek]

my favorite psyker builds currently R the lightning + fire shout dudes

fuck the bubble

[kind scarab]

Like i said, most people here will prefer the mk6

[empty creek]

the amount of wins ive seen that exact build pull out of nowhere is way more than it should be

[hollow turtle]

I prefer the shield wall, assail, and warp charges.
Throw an Illisi force sword and a laspistol in the mix.

[kind scarab]

I'll stick with the mk3 since it don't slow you down on activation, I can control how quickly hordes push into me with it. I can clear hordes as quick as necessary, and if I ever want to kill something like a crusher. It still only takes me three swings.

[mystic belfry]

I only use tac axe on martyr zealot

[empty creek]

i use a grenade 🤓

[kind scarab]

Not to mention, it needs 0 investment on my part to get working.

[empty creek]

the laspistol is p good on the uhhh

brainpop shit

[mystic belfry]

Don’t need investment with mark six either

[empty creek]

the 10% chance 2 spluge a badguy

[mystic belfry]

You just can if you want to

[hollow turtle]

I just use it to kill the maulers because my abilities are not anti-armor

[thick kestrel]

very fair, I find that with the desparado and trench fighter nodes the tac axes fit into a nice jack of all trades spot. definitely needs the bonus crit and finesse I think? but they'll do horrible things to maniacs and infested opponents.

[hollow turtle]

I designed my psyker to be a powerfull anti-horde/supporter.

[thick kestrel]

particularly as they seem to deal bonus damage to specailists like mutants

[mystic belfry]

I prefer knife as a finesse weapon

[empty creek]

i play psyker like a veteran so i just have a rifle & a blaze sword & the brainpop shit maxed in every way so i can safely ignore using my specials

the bubble is helpful when ur in a pinch since psykers R squishy

[hollow turtle]

Now see, this right here is why I prefer the laspistol. I just can't get over using my veteran. I just imagine assail like brain seeking throwing knives.

[sharp epoch]

me playing my ogryn like veteran

[thick kestrel]

1000-1400 damage light attacks against mutants/hounds/both flamers can be handy between the fast equip and swing

[swift ingot]

Laspistol Is good period

[willow badger]

Me? I play vet like ass

[hollow turtle]

The first few games every time I start using my psyker again is a quick loss because I'm using it like a veteran and forgetting I have abilities.

[sharp epoch]

you pretty much can with scryer build

just dont use any blitzes and f like vet when you wanna shoot or melee

[willow badger]

Tho tbh I mash shout whenever it refreshes

[hollow turtle]

I swear I must not be playing that ability right.

[empty creek]

dodging w/ the laspistol is a lot of fun since U go waaaay farther than pretty much anything else

[sharp epoch]

you definitely need the talent that lets you ignore gunfire while critting though

[kind scarab]

Ezpz build = Scryer + Colum gun

[empty creek]

speaking of, im gonna try & make a machinepistol build that is tolerable on auric damnation

[hollow turtle]

Scrier feels like, "While this ability is active, you're not a psyker, you're a veteran. Play like it or explode."

[sharp epoch]

I do scryer laspistol but that has ammo issues

[empty creek]

yeah lol

[kind scarab]

Yeap that's exactly how that works

[sharp epoch]

you can also just hold quell while its active to keep stacking it

[kind scarab]

Think of it like proccing a vet capstone for the duration of your peril bar

And then for the cooldown

[hollow turtle]

yeah, saw that works for a while, but eventually the buildup actually outpaces the quelling.

[empty creek]

imagine using the vet capstones

[kind scarab]

The bottom left one is the only useful one imho

[sharp epoch]

also the decreased peril gen node actually gives you 2 more stacks of scrier meaning it lasts longer

[empty creek]

dweeb alarm ? hes playing the game his own way ?

[kind scarab]

Since it lets you use shout and still hit oneshot breakpoints on all enemies. Or make a build to one-mag bosses with the boltor

[swift ingot]

I’m pretty confident they they’re going to move stuff around in the vet tree and get rid of tax nodes to make room for the keystones

[hollow turtle]

I've considered doing the melee capstone with this knife and infil+damage

[empty creek]

I really don’t fuck w/ stuff being added on2 the ult abilities, i ignored the capstones since i just wanted shit that i could constantly count on

[wanton dawn]

Am having some screen freeze those game is this just me ?

[kind scarab]

Yes, if you watched the video that presented the sneak peak at the vet tree you can see a bunch of travel nodes are gone

[harsh ridge]

worth getting from Melk?

[empty creek]

evil war blade

[empty creek]

yes

hopefully hadron plays nice & gives U another level 4 blessing

[candid bridge]

Yeah, just hope your 2nd blessing is good

[ebon umbra]

god the audio bugs keep getting me killed. fatshark pls fix

[hollow turtle]

You could make the Shade Kerillian in veteran melee tree.

[swift ingot]

Middle Keystone is going to go absolutely insane

[empty creek]

there’s a perk in the middle vet tree that gives U a buff whenever an ally kills something & that shit is kinda Tight .

[kind scarab]

Minus being able to oneshot bosses by jabbing two knives in their spine

[cinder wadi]

Is marksman worth it if you're running revolver?

[kind scarab]

The bottom left capstone?

[hollow turtle]

Lol never got to do this in VT2, but I imagine how immensely satisfying it is.

[cinder wadi]

yeeeee

[kind scarab]

If you're running shout it'd let you hit the oneshot breakpoint (on mutties/maulers and Oggies)

If you're running ex stance it's unnecessary

[rocky stratus]

only 350k away from the best cadia set 🔥🔥🔥

[hollow turtle]

Now which Cadia set is that?

[cinder wadi]

Do you need +15% dmg on elites for revolver?

It already one shots all elites ye?

[edgy condor]

With Executioner's Stance, if you are taking the talent that highlights enemies for your allies, and you also take the talent that says killing an enemy outlined by executioners stance increases it's duration, does the increased duration still only work when YOU kill an outlined an enemy, or will it work if any outlined enemy dies, even if a teammate kills it?

[kind scarab]

You need it for Crushers

[rocky stratus]

the best one

[kind scarab]

Not exactly sure why, but I couldn't toss it on my build without them refusing to die.

[rocky stratus]

krak grenades are the best 🔥🔥🔥

[cinder wadi]

Crushers or maulers?

[kind scarab]

Crusher

Big ass Ogryn

[tropic imp]

Only works when you kill them, allies don't refresh it

[hollow turtle]

I actually haven't encountered that many Cadian Veterans recently. Lol have they gone extinct ||like their planet||?

[cinder wadi]

They are considered elites?

[kind scarab]

I suppose so?

I can't honestly explain it

[edgy condor]

okay, so not worth it to take highlight for teamates then. Thanks for confirming!

[kind scarab]

They don't feel elite.

[cinder wadi]

hmmm

[rocky stratus]

i play him

but don’t have his power ranger suit

[cinder wadi]

All I care about is that they do count towards the +15%?

[kind scarab]

I believe they do

[hollow turtle]

Whatever walks in the battlefield and can be tagged is considered an elite. At least, that's what I've read.

[kind scarab]

Lemme grab some screenshots real quick

[hollow turtle]

Specials are spawn ins

[kind scarab]

^This

[devout blaze]

Crushers, reapers, ragers, maulers, and gunners

[hollow turtle]

It's kind of why I find that 10% elite damage buff as actually pretty good.

[cinder wadi]

ok

[tropic imp]

Professional feels like the real Cadian, and Loose Cannon is for the people that dont give a shit about Cadia and just wanna be goofy

[kind scarab]

But I'll reitterate. Crushers don't feel like they're elites.

[hollow turtle]

Lol and here I didn't pick Cadian, but chose Professional.

[rocky stratus]

cutthroat is my fav voice he just sounds really cool

[stark moth]

They’re fucking massive and in lore a crusher would be a fucking THREAT

So I see why they’re elites

[swift ingot]

Male Loose Canon is the best no competition

[rocky stratus]

you don’t like the flak grenade magnet ?

[kind scarab]

Nah like, Elites feel like a step below Crushers is what I mean

[cinder wadi]

is this good for a revolver build?

[hollow turtle]

They are still Ogryns at the end of the day

[stark moth]

Yeah this I agree with

[rocky stratus]

i like cutthroat bc he sounds the most vicious
i play infiltrate vet

[kind scarab]

God no

[stark moth]

A crusher should be like oh fuck

[kind scarab]

You have way too many unnecessary nodes

[tropic imp]

PUT THE KARKING BOOT IN!

[kind scarab]

And you're not using deadshot

[stoic birch]

What perks/blessing for Catachan sword ?

[rocky stratus]

looking for a juicy throat to slit

[hollow turtle]

If I could change my characters voice, I would.

I kind of wish I could see what backstory I gave him again.

[rocky stratus]

they should either add it to the barber

[kind scarab]

Show us a screenshot of your revolver, so I can tell you what you'd need on your tree

[rocky stratus]

or make a new re identify-ong room

[swift ingot]

I WANT THESE KARKERS DEAD!!!!

[tropic imp]

I remember being so hyped about backstories on day 1

[hollow turtle]

I know there are some voicelines relevant to what you chose as a backstory.

[rocky stratus]

flak magnets are fantastic

[cinder wadi]

I will put head cannon on it later™

[rocky stratus]

and i love punching maulers to death with the knife

[kind scarab]

You don't need Flak on the revolver

Ever, really

Either Mani or Cara

Preferably both

[cinder wadi]

yeee but it's the best I got for now

[swift ingot]

You mean Krak Grenades

[kind scarab]

[swift ingot]

Or Kark nades as I like to call em

[rocky stratus]

yes

[cinder wadi]

Just show me the build for what would be the usual revolver and I'll get it eventually

[rocky stratus]

kark grenades

[kind scarab]

If you really wanna use that revolver, you gonna need to invest into more damage to hit oneshots on the heavy armor units

If you want to run the build I'm using, you'll need at least twoshots for any carapace target

Do you want the absolutely necessary nodes, and leave the extra points for you to spend on what makes you happy

Or just the exact tree I'm using?

[cinder wadi]

both?

[rocky stratus]

ahhh! it’s a crusher horse

[rocky stratus]

my honest reaction

[kind scarab]

Nah, this.

[sharp tinsel]

So. What is the "best" Lucius lasgun rn?

[cinder wadi]

I can 2 shot crushers so I got that at least

(if I crit)

[swift ingot]

I wouldn’t be caught dead running executioner stance, VoC for life

[kind scarab]

As you can tell, I piss off all the vets in my lobby since I kill the crushers while their kraks are still midair

[kind scarab]

Aight bet

[rocky stratus]

weaklings ,the lot..

[dense yew]

man im sad, got a unicorn helbore but it rolled garbage. any ideas on if it can be salvaged?

[swift ingot]

Middle keystone is going to go insane

[hollow turtle]

Oh, by the way, fun fact, if you don't run grenade tinkerer nor the 25% ogryn/monster damage bonus passive, a damnation ogryn reaper will survive a krak grenade to the back.

[rocky stratus]

so not to brag

[sharp tinsel]

Do we know the keystones?

[rocky stratus]

but i do also shoot at the things i’m tryna kill

bc usually they’re right in front of me

[swift ingot]

Yes

[sharp tinsel]

Where can I find the three of em?

[hollow turtle]

Just the keystones, but not the keystone adds

There's a short clip of them on the part 1 video for anniversary update.

[dense yew]

do we know when part 1 patch drops?

[dense yew]

i just saw in the trailer it said november

[sharp tinsel]

Sometime this month.

[kind scarab]

Since you're too weak and need the shout's toughness

[swift ingot]

Most likely on the 17th

[hollow turtle]

Probably end of month

17? Oh yeah. Anniversary.

Right?

[kind scarab]

30th of this month is the anniversary

[dense yew]

ah that makes sense

[cinder wadi]

Doc where da buildy?

[hollow turtle]

It'll be a Thursday I would think

[kind scarab]

17th is when they release vanguard stuff for PC players

[swift ingot]

17th is when it dropped for those that preordered

[sharp tinsel]

I am probably going for the Weapons Specialist keystone..

[edgy condor]

Ican't wait for this either, and think it's gonna be even better than people realize. Note that it doesn't consume all stacks, but resets to one. After only 3 seconds since you last pinged an enemy, you can ping another enemy for an extra 10% damage against it. That's going to help hit all kinds of new breakpoints for so many weapons, and realistically you'll be able to apply at least 10% extra damage taken or more to every single elite or specialist you engage.

[swift ingot]

Bouta be real Witch Hunter Captain hours

[kind scarab]

This is my usually build I run with revolver

[hollow turtle]

The ranged keystone looks a little mid. Can't move.

Or at least, not a lot.

[kind scarab]

You can move as long as you get a headshot kill

or

Have shot someone in the face

Ergo

Run and gun

As long as you're landing headshots

[mystic belfry]

The one second move is close to useless

[kind scarab]

[tropic imp]

Im optimistic about it, even if it sucks it forces a certain playstyle, which can be fun

[candid bridge]

I’m curious just how much of a rework the tree is gonna get

[mystic belfry]

The 3 second is a little

[shell ginkgo]

For 3 or 1 seconds.

[kind scarab]

It's perfectly fine for running and gunning.

[shell ginkgo]

Enough that people will cry vet is dead.

Like every change.

[kind scarab]

You just grab a recon lasgun. Hold leftclick while charging your enemies.

It can't be anymore braindead.

[mystic belfry]

Until you slightly mistime it and lose every stack

[hollow turtle]

I forgot what the right keystone was.

[dense yew]

weapon switching

[tropic imp]

Left keystone sounds a lot of how a stationary turret gunner would play though, new weapons maybe?

[candid bridge]

Have to imagine they’re combining talents or moving them into the keystones themselves

[mystic belfry]

Weapon switching cap will be good

Mark will probably be fine

[rocky stratus]

why’s infiltrate not represented

[swift ingot]

I want to hope, but I’m more doubtful

[kind scarab]

They're invisible, duh

[rocky stratus]

ahhhh

[mystic belfry]

Didn’t see anything to do with nades either

[hollow turtle]

I've been guilty of that so its not entirely useless.

[mystic belfry]

The only talent that effects nades as shown is mark

[rocky stratus]

yk a bipod weapon would be kinda fye for vet

[edgy condor]

If only they'd let us use an actual belt-fed lmg, like in the picture that appears above left side of veteran's talent tree, and like the gunner enemies use ingame

[mystic belfry]

So I guess you go krak and mark for boss damage, or something

[kind scarab]

Mark will only be useful if you want to like, do large krak damage

[rocky stratus]

especially with that left keystone

[swift ingot]

Mark will be universally useful

[mystic belfry]

As in several specials have lit you on fire and you’re currently burning to death

[shell ginkgo]

[cyan anchor]

how does a knife with bleed and 90% rending back stab sound??

[mystic belfry]

Nice

I prefer the one that trigger when they’re bleeding though

[kind scarab]

When all enemies die in oneshot on like, a third of all our weapons. And in less than a burst on the other third. I can't imagine it'll be useful beyond bosses.

[tropic imp]

I think its likely, every talent picture on every class corresponds to weapons that are already in game except the LMG

[kind scarab]

But Johnny says it should be good, so I'll hope.

[mystic belfry]

Like extra weak point damage when they’re bleeding iirc

[hollow turtle]

Currently, if you crouch behind cover and ADS, your character actually peeks over and shoots over. I just wish they'd implement something like "stability increase if you're firing crouched behind cover."

Imagine the columnus users moving cover to cover instead of being a murder hobo

[mystic belfry]

I don’t think any mechanic ever should encourage being still for anything beyond brief moments tbh

[cyan anchor]

so mercy killer rending? god i need more knifes to roll the rng

[tropic imp]

Only problem with that is maybe character height makes that wacky

Cause cover doesnt fit you well

[mystic belfry]

I believe so but I’m not at my pc

[unkempt lagoon]

the antiquated penances requiring you to use the upgraded ability anyways in question:

[mystic belfry]

I’d you take weak point on bleeding targets you need bleed on melee hit though

[edgy condor]

Well, if you get really nitpicking, the middle veteran path picture features what looks like an infantry lasgun with an actual scope but hey, we're not call of duty, so we don't do scope here lololol

[mystic belfry]

Your combo is special light then chain heavies

[ruby fulcrum]

I've got a build or two that rub executioners stance just for variety tbh

[swift ingot]

Don’t care about penances

[ruby fulcrum]

If my buddy runs chorus zealot with crit cdr, it's aight

[unkempt lagoon]

fair enough

[hollow turtle]

Use the bleed passive talent with this.

[mystic belfry]

Chorus is always amazing, crit cdr or no

[mystic belfry]

Ye mercy killer is it. I prefer backstab rending though

[candid bridge]

Mercy killer is sweet lol

[mystic belfry]

Mhmm

[swift ingot]

God what I wouldn’t give for Power Cycler 4

[candid bridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/408120447293456386/1173499742907535391/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.13_-_00.48.23.05.DVR.mp4?ex=65642dcd&is=6551b8cd&hm=93ba957309eb648235f89540029cdb69106a3c379b52fbdfa67c53297c03662f&

[hollow turtle]

Lel

[iron marten]

I can only say good luck to your pc4 journey

[mystic belfry]

Power cycler 3 is already a major breakpoint hit

[cyan anchor]

I just see everyone here as like a counsol of build crafting

[edgy condor]

I just rolled PC4 about an hour ago, after 40+ transcendant power swords without getting it. And Melk being a lil bitch and not bringing it for the past month

[hollow turtle]

tbh, I mostly see build crafting in vet chat and ogryn chat. Psyker chat can be useless when it comes to it that I've had to ask ogryn chat for psyker advice.

[candid bridge]

The knife I was using

[unkempt lagoon]

is it worth upgrading to transcendant for the chance of getting lvl4 blessings

[kind scarab]

Only if you've already got 2 good things in the blessing/perk slots

[mystic belfry]

Just swap executor for backstab

[kind scarab]

Or else it's just wasted plasteel

[edgy condor]

random but what is the maximum toughness % you can roll on a curio as it's main stat? Its 17% right?

[unkempt lagoon]

Oh i meant in terms of farming blessings

[kind scarab]

More often than not, T3 blessings are enough for oneshots

If you are desperate for t4 blessings, hound melk daily

[unkempt lagoon]

right

[swift ingot]

I probably used up a lot of my luck for the time being, this was the second thunder hammer I ever consecrated, the first one I got thrust 4

[candid bridge]

I’m trying to get lacerate or uncanny for it

[hollow turtle]

Yup. I'm waiting for either a mission or melk to give me that uncanny strike IV on knife.

[iron marten]

Damn

[mystic belfry]

I’d replace mercy on my knife before backstab tbh

[astral ingot]

if you are a laspistol enjoyer I think infernus still stacks headtaker

[hollow turtle]

That knife I showed earlier is going to be my first 550 weapon.

[swift ingot]

I’m a big Laspistol enjoyer, more so on vet than zealot tho

[mystic belfry]

Las pistol is solid

But the feel of revolver is too good

[iron marten]

I use laspistol on my psyker

Being able to do boss damage feels nice

[swift ingot]

I’m too comfortable with Laspistol to use revolver

[candid bridge]

I have a backstab knife but still need to get blessings for knives in general

[mystic belfry]

Quick draw hip fire headshots are smooth as fuck

[south garnet]

revolver feels safe, it's my bubble maintaining weapon

anything that looks me in the eye

disappears

[mystic belfry]

Tasty, I prefer mercy over riposte but it though

Even if backstab headshots can be a bit finicky

[swift ingot]

Laspistol is just too cozy

[south garnet]

I def use laspistol on psyker like crazy

[swift ingot]

I like larping as Caiphas Cain on my vet

[hollow turtle]

Same. I need it to kill the maulers fast.

[mystic belfry]

Las pistol is probably my second favorite

I value draw speed a lot on melee vet

[south garnet]

^