veteran-class

[celest vine]

A bad blessing or weapon is too situational or just doesnt work

[willow badger]

like i'm doing reasonably ok hitting shooters and elites

surviving ok in melee

[slow spade]

Or fucking does the opposite of what it says lol

[celest vine]

Like that one perk that increases damage you take

[willow badger]

just need to be a bit less sloppy with situational awareness/trappers/getting mobbed

[celest vine]

💀💀💀

[slow spade]

Exhilerating Takedown on my laspistol build...

[sharp ember]

i try to keep a minimum of 2 shredder nades to dump on elite groups to melt them

[candid bridge]

I use VoC w/ plasma so I try and focus elites, specials, ogryns and pick off basic rangers when I can with it then use mk6 power sword for horde clears and boss damage

[celest vine]

straight out increases damage you take by 1.3

[hard cave]

where's vet drip

[slow spade]

Ideally, you're just overwatching your teammates only using melee to make space or clear your sightlines

[gaunt hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1167663415599321158/image.png?ex=6561674c&is=654ef24c&hm=d4fe8916cd044dca5059ed99c499b6499212a48ba678e2e384baca235139aaa5&

[willow badger]

sadly my psyker/zealot frens still outdamage me

[slow spade]

Vet was never for damage

Anyone that chases damage is braindead

[hard cave]

more vet drip

[smoky lark]

This is honestly the most frustrating thing in the world. Makes the plasma gun the hardest gun to get a perfect version of imho

[celest vine]

Picking off HVTs is where vet shines

[sharp ember]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1173230281281507389/image.png?ex=656332d8&is=6550bdd8&hm=80a9cb2a423e9a98f7a2122e05c9adc817d2a993e152431e6dbb61eb657ead1b&

guardsman

[hard cave]

MORE

[gaunt hinge]

basically all of my outfits are the same except for a different helmet

[hard cave]

MORE VET DRIP

[candid bridge]

I tend to be #1 in damage but that’s because of horde clear with power sword and plasma lol

[slow spade]

Ikr, scoreboard just creates idiots that think "damage = contribution"

Instead of actually doing something useful like look for plasteel or hunt specialists

[celest vine]

Notice how trappers and flamers were mysteriously absent this game?

Wonder why

[wanton dawn]

I have worst stuff around

[gaunt hinge]

all my numbers are yellow so im poggin out

[smoky lark]

what if the scoreboard says I killed 70 elites and 50 specialists. isnt that damage = contribution?

[empty heron]

Well, I agree somewhat. But depends where your damage comes from though.

[slow spade]

Indeed, I had an idiot that said I had too much overkill damage

[empty heron]

precisely

I had an interesting game here:

Tell me my damage didn't matter

[willow badger]

ok time to uninstall scoreboard

[celest vine]

Theyre warhammer fans, they have no room to make fun of anyone

[slow spade]

No because you can't differentiate between poxwalker damage and specialist damage

[celest vine]

[slow spade]

So its useless to stack damage

[candid bridge]

Also for the drip

[celest vine]

I can spam bleed grenades into hoards

[hard cave]

alright, @candid bridge @sharp ember @gaunt hinge @celest vine passed the drip check

[slow spade]

You can't track specialist/elite damage so its pointless

Only kills matter

[celest vine]

Thatll inflate my numbers

[gaunt hinge]

get the scoreboard addition that tells you your damage too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1173569579272896554/image.png?ex=65646ed7&is=6551f9d7&hm=54f7c852a4a2e3342496c19bf2d31b74d245b3b3d726b831be79396d65839cd0&

[hard cave]

primarily guardsman 73259954

[sharp ember]

you don't need scoreboard to know whether you were cracked or slacked

[empty heron]

ah

I understand

[celest vine]

Veteran is good to shoot

Shoot enemies with guns

[slow spade]

A psyker with purg staff is going to outdamage a Vet because flamethrower

[celest vine]

Stalkers, gunners, trappers and more

[slow spade]

But he should NOT have top specialists or elite kills

[celest vine]

If they have a gun, veteran should prioritize them

Regular scab traitors, anything

[slow spade]

Brb keeping the Sniper alive because the ogryn took my ammo tin UwU

[hard cave]

Vet's priority changes depending on their primary

[celest vine]

If it has a gun you focus

[crisp bronze]

I play melee vet but I still do my job. If I see any elites/specials I have my plasma ready immediately. I just find it more fun. Especially being rewarded for it with agile engagement.

[gaunt hinge]

my eyes are made of guns, because everything i look at dies

[hard cave]

But usually any changed specials at least

[celest vine]

Im assuming youre a guardsmen with a lasgun

Cause it’s arguably the best veteran rifle

[empty heron]

Agreed. Just with revolver

[slow spade]

Priority doesn't change even if melee Vet

"Fuck specialists and elites"

[hard cave]

no I run shotgun for fun

or bolt gun

[slow spade]

Literally your toughness regen and ult regen depends on it

[celest vine]

You have resistance to stagger and supression as vet

No other class has that

Especially pure supression immunity

[gaunt hinge]

ogryn gives you some on ability use

[brisk umbra]

Another game lost

because i got two fucking controller players

[slow spade]

Rip

[celest vine]

But as a permenant benifit veteran is the only one

[slow spade]

Yeah I have only met one good xbox player ever

[empty heron]

Don't need supression immunity if you kill them fast enough

[brisk umbra]

Honestly, they really need to give us a way to remove crossplay

It's not them being xbox players

[candid bridge]

My commissar build doesn’t discriminate who I shoot with this bad mf’er

[brisk umbra]

It's that it's pretty much impossible to play this game with a controller

[celest vine]

Then the random scab shooter than you missed tanks your accuracy

[slow spade]

I had a xbox player that was lvl 289

[left patrol]

this looks pleasing

[slow spade]

He ate shit the entire match

[celest vine]

I do it, not hard at all

[clear tendon]

i play with controller and use it really well

[smoky lark]

ok real talk is blaze away not absolutely overrated by everybody here. How often do you hold your mouse button pressed on the PG

[south garnet]

"don't put me in a crossplay lobby" would be an incredible option to be able to tick, but FS will never allow it because "muh servers"

[candid bridge]

Thanks!

[gaunt hinge]

the general skill level of console players is generally pretty low

[south garnet]

Same reason we'll always have the mission board

[brisk umbra]

i mean, an ogryn that spams heavy attack it's fine

[gaunt hinge]

but its not impossible to play well with one

[brisk umbra]

a vet that is trying to shoot shit in auric istoo much

[candid bridge]

I spam left click

[slow spade]

The ONLY time charged shots are better is when wallsniping bombers and ogryn packs

[left patrol]

which set is the torso and legs from?

[empty heron]

around 7/10 console players I meet struggle reeeal hard.

[slow spade]

Idk who bothers with charged shots when it costs 9 ammo lol

[smoky lark]

Yeah but how much. You need three left clicks to merk pretty much anything if your build is allright, and most of the time you only need 2.

So Im getting more and more annoyed at blaze away on my own PG

[slow spade]

Blaze away + Get hots brings it to 1 shot reliably too

[sharp ember]

with the improved plasma crits, it's also more damage to get 3 uncharged crits than 1 charged crit

[smoky lark]

I feel maybe if we go Gloryhunter we could spec the talents to less survavibility, more overall damage ?

[sharp ember]

granted thatll only matter on like a boss

[candid bridge]

The chest and legs are that red set you can buy in the shop atm, helm is the redacted penance helm you earn. Then I downloaded for the drip mod and colored and textured the skins that way

[slow spade]

Gloryhunter but no Confirmed Kill is risky imo

[celest vine]

Console does get some funny perks compared to PC

[slow spade]

Because Confirmed Kill works on specialists too

[clear tendon]

do we know if the new vet keystones are coming with the traitor curse?

[celest vine]

But IAGs arent the best in the world

[stark hollow]

is charge rate important on plasma

[slow spade]

I remember when xbox first dropped when the Krieg cosplayers came around

[smoky lark]

yes you need 73% for your left clicks to do the most damage. NO MORE NO LESS

[slow spade]

Xbox + Helbore lmao

[stark hollow]

shit

[celest vine]

Its the gamepass boys

[stark hollow]

mine is 38

[slow spade]

Yes but not mandatory

[lilac eagle]

How easy is Kill Zone to proc? I feel like 8m with no enemies is wildly uncommon

[stark hollow]

whats the dump stat though

[left patrol]

oh dang nice

[smoky lark]

ammo

[slow spade]

Ah

[candid bridge]

What @slow spade said, a crit with “gets hot” and blaze away will kill most specials and elites besides ragers and mutants

[slow spade]

Ironically, ammo

[celest vine]

Everyone has gamepass

[stark hollow]

so this is dogwater poopoo and i wasted my plasteel makig it purple

rip

[slow spade]

Imo, you want a balanced spread

[wanton dawn]

Wanna see some precise BP ?

[gritty dock]

Which weapon can be used to get Dumdum Blessings for the Columnus Mk V Infantry Autogun?

[smoky lark]

a crit kills most specials elites regardless of blaze away, and blaze away only start working after you've shot another plasma at something and then kept shooting

[candid bridge]

Did you steal my plasma

[slow spade]

Only the normal Columbus, iirc

[celest vine]

Once the gampsss players filter out the xbox player base will exponentially get better

[smoky lark]

Im telling you guys blaze away is severely overrated

[slow spade]

Idk if the braced one counts

[slow spade]

Indeed

[fathom grail]

I like how fs still give t1-3 blessing as options

[celest vine]

It’s happening already

[fathom grail]

Like fs why

[candid bridge]

Sure but when you round a corner with 37 gunners that’s where blaze away and gets hot comes in handy

[slow spade]

40% damage on a gun that does roughly 600 is pretty good

[fathom grail]

WHY

[celest vine]

Seeing xbox plasma gunners doing extremely good

[slow spade]

Because memes

[celest vine]

IAGs dont miss headshots

[fathom grail]

FS WHY CaNt u be NORMAL

[smoky lark]

I think you've overestimating the amount of shots you'll take at those gunners with blaze away active.

[stark hollow]

should i work on this or is ammo too low

[slow spade]

Mauler horde 😎

[fast heart]

Ammo is a dump stat

[slow spade]

Ok I said ammo was a dump stat but that's unironically missing like 20 shots

[hard cave]

playing with controller, this game needs more aim assist

[brisk sapphire]

get like 40 more ammo than you have with 70-80 ammo stat

[smoky lark]

I think you can probably get more than 343 fairly easily

[sharp ember]

it's one of the worst talents precisely because of that, in this game where 80% of all enemies are running at you to beat your head in. 8m is fairly wide

[stark hollow]

pretty good spread though

[clear tendon]

there's a couple of different aim assist types. I just use legacy cause it's the least intrusive and still needs me to aim

[smoky lark]

yeah but low overall stat = bad blessings/perks on upgrade

[wanton dawn]

Litterally need 80/80/80 to OS bruiser

[hard cave]

I tried legacy too during the tutorial and it just sucked

[brisk sapphire]

you really want a 370-380 base with plasma imo

[clear tendon]

that's fair. i'm used to using controller with no aim assist so

[hard cave]

Also sucked even more because it was being streamed since they only allow install on Xbox s

I just want my pc back man

[clear tendon]

i use controller on PC myself, not xbox

[crisp bronze]

My Plasma has Blaze Away and I swear you get 1 stack for the first shot. Basically a free 8% power increase minimum. Sure you probably shouldn't lay on the trigger too often with plasma but blaze away is still free power no matter what.

[smoky lark]

You can start rocking a plasma at 360 its fine, just as long as damage/stopping power/thermal arent bricked

[hard cave]

horror

[slow spade]

You always get 1 stack per shot

So blaze away stacks fast

[smoky lark]

are you absolutely sure about that ?

[still flare]

Same, and also use legacy aim assist. Played since beta and just got used to it

[slow spade]

Yes

[crisp bronze]

Yes.

[clear tendon]

arthritis in the spine makes it hard to move a mouse around without constant pain, i gotta deal with controller lol

[smoky lark]

okay I'll go see if I can find a gun to test it on

[slow spade]

Just don't use charged shots

[hard cave]

damn

[tall torrent]

all 3 infantry autoguns

[slow spade]

"The moment I realized the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me"

[smoky lark]

people keep muddling the discussion talking about charging shots. NEVER CHARGE ANY SHOTS. never. they need to divide ammo and heat consumption on the charge shots by two before I will ever charge a shot

[gritty dock]

thx 🙏

[brisk sapphire]

charge only if shooting thru walls gives you dopamine

[celest vine]

A perk exclusive to xbox

[clear tendon]

transhumanism is based and i want a new spine, it would be wonderful

[smoky lark]

regular shots shoot thru walls just fine

[slow spade]

Yeah its good to reiterate because of that issue, only charge to wallbang bombers or something

[still flare]

That goes for all guns in the same family, btw. All shotgun blessings shared, etc

[brisk sapphire]

true, thin walls and covers and such

[celest vine]

Missing headshots is a challenge

[stark hollow]

man i want to shoot brunt in the head

[slow spade]

Na charged shot does actually pen more

[smoky lark]

still not worth

[candid bridge]

I charge shots when shooting into hordes if there’s elites or specials and to wall bang enemies cause it’s fun

[slow spade]

Had a time where my friend was fighting a crusher in a hallway and I managed to stun it out of an overhead via a charged shot

[slow spade]

Situational

Fuck bombers

[clear tendon]

cutting a line straight through a horde is wonderful

[slow spade]

Just don't do it regularly

Charged shots have their place but should NOT be your first go-to

[clear tendon]

i will use a charge shot against one poxwalker that the pysker is already brain bursting

[stark hollow]

is stopping power okay on this?

[slow spade]

Good, fuck their warp charges

[stark hollow]

or is it too low

[slow spade]

You're 100% not going to instant kill with that gun but usable

[stark hollow]

fuck

[slow spade]

Most plasmas don't

[stark hollow]

well im using it to farm blessings i guess

[slow spade]

So don't stress too much about it

Mine is a near perfect plasma and it doesn't one shot on most targets either

[brisk sapphire]

can compensate with blaze away

[slow spade]

Needs a headshot or blaze away stacks

[thorn verge]

what's the best melee to pair with plasma

[hybrid river]

Chainsword imo

[acoustic wyvern]

its always powersword

[candid bridge]

Power sword

[trim hemlock]

Anything goes, really

[acoustic wyvern]

the answer is always powersword

[sand hemlock]

shovel gaming

[brisk sapphire]

meh, ill take devils claw for mindless horde clear. i dont need the power sword's anti-armor plasma covers that

[smoky lark]

there's another trick you can do to get your breakpoint and it's to go all the way down to

Because you kill so many elites and specs that you have that every 15s

[thorn verge]

i have god rolls on them i just wonder what peoples opinion is on the subject

[stark hollow]

brunt should watch his rations for pox if this keeps up

[hybrid river]

Power sword is very strong but the lack of dodges+reliance on charge attacks means that if you’re going to be using a weapon like plasma where you’re meleeing more, then you want something like the chainsword due to being more versatile

[crisp bronze]

I wonder how the power sword is gonna feel with the dodge bonuses from the new weapon specialist keystone.

[candid bridge]

Best thing about melee weapons now is that just about everything is viable

So choose what you like playing with the most tbh

[thorn verge]

definitely, i just wonder about pairing sometimes

[smoky lark]

current plasma build is this and it is very godly for someone who doesnt like to have to swap to melee. Very good breakpoints. Crits often with Gets hot IV, absolutely unkillable in most situations.

[acoustic wyvern]

you can try a rashad or antax with brutal momentum

it still works and its still very good for clearing

also my 2nd fav horde clearer

the heavy staggers crushers on a head hit so you can chain or get back and fire away

[slow spade]

Be aware that rending is essentially useless for plasma

As the only armor type that plasma doesn't have 100+ pen on is carapace

[smoky lark]

It is not. Carapace enemies get hit slightly harder.

Which helps with hitting crusher and maulers hard

[slow spade]

Only crushers

Just aim for body on maulers

Also krak grenades on crushers

Saves ammo

[smoky lark]

i spam krak on monstruosities only

I dont see the point using them on crushers that die automatically when the plasma is vaguely aimed at them

[slow spade]

Because ammo costs

[acoustic wyvern]

you won't always be using plasma tho

[smoky lark]

heeeh survivalist plasma is ammo efficient

[slow spade]

A crusher can take like 4 shots

[low oar]

Survivalist plasma is most definitely not efficient

[slow spade]

Where you can throw a krak and potentially hit like 3

[low oar]

You get 1/3 of a shot per kill roughly

Maybe 2/3 of a shot back

The only time it's efficient is collateral kills

[slow spade]

Not running the ammo talent so its basically 1.29 ammo per kill lol

[low oar]

But that's not always a thing

[slow spade]

Plasma vets using plasma on everything is how teams end up with red ammo lol

[acoustic wyvern]

thats actually true

[brisk sapphire]

[slow spade]

Power sword + kraks to save ammo

Ammo talent helps a lot too

[sharp ember]

not that there's much of an alternative to survivalist

[slow spade]

Indeed, you should honestly just assume its active

[forest blaze]

fax

[brisk sapphire]

yea ammo talent actually worth considering on plasma since it doesnt benefit much from onslaught

usually dont delve deep in the bottom left tree

[smoky lark]

Dont know what to tell you, boys, I dont have this problem :) No ammo wasted on anything but rows of stuff, judicious use of the sword for isolated shooters or hordes I guess?

[forest blaze]

I don't use the ammo talent and typically do fine. The key is pretty simple. You don't have to shoot everything.

If the THammer zealot is 1:1 with the crusher... let a guy do his thing. Surge psyker facing off with a couple of maulers? Let a guy do his thing and maybe put a shot or two that direction.

[candid bridge]

You mean i shouldn’t charge shot the moebian ranger in the corner at the other end of the map just minding their own business? That sounds like heresy to me

[serene bough]

ammo scav is great

but higher ammo reserve isnt worth imo

its not bad per se it just requries too much point investment to reach

[smoky lark]

yep

[lilac kayak]

[smoky lark]

You can get 25% ammo if you want but if it means your build is weaker you might just be using that extra ammo to compensate

[brisk sapphire]

mvt speed

[sharp ember]

we're not running out of ammo either, we're just objectively saying that plasma does not recover a lot from survivalist because of its multi-ammo consumption and low pool compared to other guns

[serene bough]

plasma does struggle with ammo ive noticed

[smoky lark]

I find it is more stable from survivalist than a lot of other guns, bar the "infinity ammo" lasguns

[low oar]

Ammo reserves on plasma requires huge investment in a tree focused on precision kills

[lilac kayak]

helbore

[low oar]

It's just a ton of talents that don't work well on plasma

Or just don't work like deadshot

[candid bridge]

One day just maybe I’ll take a helbore into a mission

[low oar]

It used to be my bread and butter but then I got bored of it

[acoustic wyvern]

you should be going down the middle tree for ogryn and elite dmg

after that its up to you

[candid bridge]

It’s hard not to use plasma for me rn lol

[brisk sapphire]

those are a tax ye

every build

[smoky lark]

middle tree best tree for plasma

[low oar]

I run volley stance

But finish with mid tree

[hollow solstice]

is VII the best devils claw rn?

[umbral scaffold]

all devils claws are fone

fine

[candid bridge]

Personal preference

[low oar]

I like 4 the most

Since it starts with an overhead heavy

[hollow solstice]

So the devil claws just comes down to your preference in attack pattern

[candid bridge]

Yes

[acoustic wyvern]

man i'd use volley more if it replenishes my toughness like how voc does

[brisk sapphire]

or if it reloaded gun

[acoustic wyvern]

Voc is so good for team gameplay

[smoky lark]

VOC is automatically best because not only does it make you unkillable, it also cancels a "bad situation, huge problem" every 10-15 seconds for your entire team

[candid bridge]

Can use confirmed kill to help with that

[umbral scaffold]

voice needs a nerf

[brisk sapphire]

VOC gonna get a cooldown nerf yea

[umbral scaffold]

or toughness

[acoustic wyvern]

it helps me yes but i'd like to help my party with surviving a bit more too

[umbral scaffold]

i think toughness nerf would be better

[sharp ember]

you have to read the script into a microphone for VoC to work

[umbral scaffold]

instant +100 toughness is just busted

[brisk sapphire]

krubers had way longer cooldown and vt2 missions are already much shorter than DT's

[acoustic wyvern]

"C'mon daddy get to work" into mic

[candid bridge]

It’s not the actual ability that needs a nerf, it’s the upgrade duty and honor. That 15s should prolly be changed to 7-10 seconds lol

[hollow solstice]

@candid bridge What blessings do you use on the claw

[smoky lark]

Blaze away first shot on a random PG i have: 1011 damage
replace blaze away on the same PG, first shot: 941 damage
uuuuuuuuuuuuurgh. why cant fatshark code their blessings correctly. you were right, whoever said that

[umbral scaffold]

i think savage sweep and rampage are best for devils

[candid bridge]

I like wrath and rampage for horde clear

[acoustic wyvern]

its busted but not all powerful. flames still makes you squeal like a pig on a stick

[hollow solstice]

What about a mix of single target and horde

[brisk sapphire]

fairly ideal claw

[acoustic wyvern]

fairly ideal lol, thats perfect

[smoky lark]

:( its so beautiful

[candid bridge]

All the other blessings are impact related

[smoky lark]

GIVE IT TO ME

[umbral scaffold]

its not perfect

[candid bridge]

Could I guess do skullcrusher for single target but they need to be staggered

[umbral scaffold]

damage and cleave damage could be higher

getting a perfect weapon is extremely rare

[smoky lark]

compared to this pile of shit Im using it is

[sick marsh]

What does the currently released Kasrkyn cosmetic set look like for veteran again?

[lilac kayak]

as much as I love Devil Claw, shovel is so much fun

[acoustic wyvern]

really? Thats just min maxing really

[smoky lark]

I tried the shovel and it requires heavy attacks.

[hybrid river]

It’s the red one in shop right now

[acoustic wyvern]

everything above 70 and nice t4 blessings with flak t4

[smoky lark]

and i just like being brain dead and left clicking otherwise I wouldnt be playing a plasma vet

[crisp bronze]

Savage Sweep and Rampage is the general go to. I've been thinking of trying out Shred instead of Savage Sweep. In combination with desperado I imagine you just start critting every swing.

[sick marsh]

Not that one, the one I’m talking about rotated out a few cycles ago

[lilac kayak]

plasma so ez to hipfire and can ez pin target a sniper from a mile away

[hollow solstice]

meh

[stark hollow]

i think chsword is the king of spam left click

[smoky lark]

heeeh no cleave blessing

[lilac kayak]

chsword is king when u get savage sweep

otherwise no

[smoky lark]

me clicking the catachan sword

[stark hollow]

im using shred and bloodletter. and only with 66 damage

[candid bridge]

That’s good/fine tbh

[stark hollow]

spam left clicking and occasional push lets me manage hordes well

[hollow solstice]

fixed it abit

[brisk sapphire]

that'd prolly be better on zealot for CDR

[lilac kayak]

66 damage?

[candid bridge]

Wrath or savage sweep will make up for the cleave target

[stark hollow]

66%

[smoky lark]

its very good now

[stark hollow]

this has served me really well though it could be better

[lilac kayak]

this is my goto chain

[smoky lark]

it will serve you well until you have a 370+

[umbral scaffold]

are heavies not better to use on chainsword

[stark hollow]

spam left click works surprisingly well

[junior grail]

Urgent question, my game crashes everytime someone leaves the match.

Why?

[smoky lark]

I like Wrath better than Sweep I think because when I tested both it seemed Wrath was quicker to activate when you're going from isolated dude to horde and being flexible

[stark hollow]

especially with shred

[lilac kayak]

heavies is good tho light spam is even better when u get one of the cleave blessings

[umbral scaffold]

i think heavies would still be better

[stark hollow]

you should try spam lights

[umbral scaffold]

since like only two lights are actually cleaves

[candid bridge]

Possibly a mod fucking with something?

[stark hollow]

since most of the hits from the lights whack heads it actually thins out hordes super well

[umbral scaffold]

but u can hit heads with heavies too

[junior grail]

A mod? I'm using Mez's mod pack only. Is there an issue there?

[stark hollow]

not sure how to explain it apart from testing it when you got a horde on your ass

[umbral scaffold]

have you bothered using heavies instead

[smoky lark]

try playing without the mod pack

[empty creek]

the impact is nice BC it keeps hordes off U no matter the difficulty & that combined w/ how wide the heavy attacks go, it means i don’t get touched in melee

[stark hollow]

light spam somehow works better than heavies

[lilac kayak]

light spam makes it easier to keep hordes in check tbh

[smoky lark]

Try without the modpack and ask a friend to leave to see if you crash. Troubleshooting 101 :d

[empty creek]

^^

[stark hollow]

i mean i work in heavy attacks when i have the space

but the light spam keeps the horde in check super well

[umbral scaffold]

i rarely use chainsword so i guess i gotta try it

[junior grail]

Okies will try

[empty creek]

both have their place, use lights if ur in a shitty situation w/ no stamina but if U have stamina, shove urself some breathing room & switch 2 heavies

[candid bridge]

Or shout

[stark hollow]

yea its super fun

[lilac kayak]

if u dont want a single fodder touching u. then use shovel

[empty creek]

save the shouts 4 revives

U don’t need a shout 2 survive poxwalkers or ragers

[stark hollow]

dont got revives on me shouts so i spam it whenever its up

[umbral scaffold]

i like complex weapons

chainsword is kinda boring to me

[empty creek]

fair enough, im very conservative w/ how i use mine since the instant revive is invaluable

[lilac kayak]

ngl its a bit of a noob trap to use the revive talent imo

I'd rather be spamming VOC every chance I get than saving it for the last momment someone gets downed

[stark hollow]

when im with friends with a zealot and a vet we almost always have our toughness at yellow

[candid bridge]

You can use it without that node, just shout around a group then start reviving and they’re up before the enemies get off the ground

[empty creek]

it’s helped me save multiple auric damnation runs, doesn’t feel like a noob trap if U R a sweat in melee

[sharp ember]

that's a them problem if they got whacked in under 45 seconds with shout toughness overheal at the start of the fight

[umbral scaffold]

compared to shout to revive in vermintide, shouts a lot better in this game

since ranged attacks are EVERYWHERE

[merry juniper]

i got a purple sword that does a lot less damage than the otherwise identical model blue sword i was using, so this is junk right and i should pump up my blue sword to purple?

[empty creek]

exactly

last thing i need is 2 wait while a teammate burns in a fire nade or is getting buttfucked by snipers

id rather slide thru, instantly pick them up & be done w/ it

[umbral scaffold]

or having 4 flamers burn them

[empty creek]

yeah

[sharp ember]

"low damage" stat can only get so low on the scale, this is gonna depend on whether your perks and blessing are good

[empty creek]

the knock back also helps mop up whatever downed them in the 1st place which is gemmy AF

[sharp ember]

lower damage doesn't always mean more swings to kill something unless it's like 5% damage

[smoky lark]

If you're killing enough elites/specs you absolutely do not need to save shouts for revives. Use the shouts to protect your team from things that would have caused a revive to be necessary instead. Ideally you can shout every 20 seconds, with only a few seconds without yellow toughness

[empty creek]

how i talk here is definitely not how i play, I always get my shouts instantly but i meant generally speaking im looking 4 revives

i dont just lock it down in every other situation

[merry juniper]

the left click was 1dmg weaker but the strong attack was almost 100 weaker somehow

[sharp ember]

what weapon even is that

gonna need to see weapon cards at this rate

[candid bridge]

Screenshot the 2 swords and post them here

[empty creek]

there has been plenty of times where ive saved teammates BC I stalk everybody’s toughness like a hawk & dropped the shout as soon as they were breaking

especially in the high-intens damnation matches, there’s really no way U don’t have that shit back in like 15 seconds so

[lilac kayak]

u can get it back instantly or pretty quick if u target specialists

[empty creek]

im generally playing melee vet so my big busts come whenever ragers pull up

the helbores get melee buffs as well so im also kind-of handling gunners & snipers as well

[sharp ember]

they probably woulda been comfier with overheal to prevent chip damage as soon as the enemy was in contact with them instead of waiting for them to get low, gets your shout cooldown ticking sooner too

[candid bridge]

Busts

[empty creek]

[candid bridge]

[empty creek]

horrible fucking emoji

[candid bridge]

Haha

[lusty jetty]

Should I cop?

[empty creek]

yeah

[candid bridge]

If you have nothing better yeah

[lusty jetty]

Infested -> Flak dmg
Not sure about blessings

[lilac kayak]

Helbore can be a bit annoying to use at times with the switch animation having a short delay 🤡

[candid bridge]

Glory hunter to surgical

And you’re Gucci

[empty creek]

the bayonet’s melee buff means i can stab myself room 2 switch safely so no biggie

[candid bridge]

Could also do infested to maniac or flak (your choice of what you prefer)

[smoky lark]

I really want to make a hand cannon build. I've never tried the revolver

i fear it might be a melee vet build tho

[lusty jetty]

Yeah I'm not sure either, I am a Vraks MkVII guy so don't know what I will prefer on hand cannon

[thick kestrel]

Surgical is probably a fair bet?

[lilac kayak]

@empty creek just curious, whats your talent tree spec for melee vet?

[candid bridge]

Could also do Carapace for that extra crusher and mauler dmg

Your perk will be what you prefer really

[candid bridge]

I use revolver with my plasma elite, special and ogryn build and works fine

[lusty jetty]

I'll do Flak or Maniac depending on how quickly things die as it is, I feel like anything carapace gets a krak

Now gotta find some good blessings

Thanks 🙂 got it

[lilac kayak]

revolver can easily handle crushers ez without the perk anyway

[lusty jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-yes-approve-approval-i-approve-gif-6191609

[tranquil socket]

Is charge rate an acceptable dump stat?

[smoky lark]

unfortunately no :(

it somehow affects your left click damage

[lilac kayak]

ammo is the dumpstat : )

[smoky lark]

73% is the highest damage you can get from the charge rate stat

[tranquil socket]

:/ ok

thanks tho!

[shell ginkgo]

So 53 isn't the worst charge.

[acoustic wyvern]

you're at a nice spot so its perfect

if it doesnt die in one hit, shoot it again

[smoky lark]

saving this fucking thing

[shell ginkgo]

[tranquil socket]

So maxing it out would not be the biggest waste of plasteel

[shell ginkgo]

I'd say fuck it and grab it

[tranquil socket]

I'm tempted

yup

I'll post it after Hadron destroys it

[shell ginkgo]

[candid bridge]

Until you get a better one itll be very good lol

[lilac kayak]

🤡

[shell ginkgo]

[smoky lark]

nono, given that table, I'd say that Gun is very good

absolutely do hadron it

[lilac kayak]

as if

[stark hollow]

ill motivate her with a bolt pistol to the skull

[smoky lark]

Hadron: I have modified your gun so it uses glitter instead of metal ammunition. Get fucked.

[shell ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/motivation-vergil-devil-may-cry-gif-16033743006365413567

[stark hollow]

hadron is bleeding me dry of plasteel

[candid bridge]

Just praise the omnissiah

[tranquil socket]

I mean I can also Hadron this thing instead

not sure what's best

[lilac eagle]

Kinda crap there's zero bolter talents

[lilac kayak]

[celest vine]

Reload speed on specialist kill helps a shitload

[lilac eagle]

Yeh, plus the various +5% reload speed

[smoky lark]

nono the first one was way better

[candid bridge]

First one you posted is better but you can use that for a blessing grab if need be

[celest vine]

The sway and crit bonus one too

Two perks

[tranquil socket]

Alright, emperor protect me

[celest vine]

Thats all “the holy bolter” gets

[lilac eagle]

You don't seem to realise what 'bolter only' means

[celest vine]

[candid bridge]

Praise the omnissiah

[candid bridge]

[tranquil socket]

PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH

[candid bridge]

Holy shit it’s perfect hahaha

[smoky lark]

beautiful

change unarmoured to carapace

[candid bridge]

Welcome to the club!

[lilac kayak]

not happening tho

why would there be a talent for a specific weapon only?

[stark hollow]

oh god the soup can mag

[tranquil socket]

Wouldn't flak be better?

[lilac eagle]

Lasgun crits don't comsume ammo

[celest vine]

I have this one

Used no locks yet

[smoky lark]

I find Flak dies fast enough. The auric maelstrom carapace flooding that happens sometimes kills more runs than any flak flood.

[celest vine]

Emperor gave it to me a week after launch

[candid bridge]

[tranquil socket]

I see, thank you!

[candid bridge]

Can always test stuff too. Flak or carapace is good, just go with what feels better for you 👍

[empty creek]

im not home RN but it’s nothing super crazy, i stayed on the right side of the tree, grabbed the speed buff, krak grenades w/ the regen, maxxed the shout & uhhhh

[lilac kayak]

at least it applies to all las weapons in which vet have a decent selection of wep to choose from

[empty creek]

IDFK dude

[smoky lark]

try this build out, it might look a bit weird but I promise you wont be disappointed :D

@tranquil socket

[tranquil socket]

Ohhh interesting

[empty creek]

i also grabbed the medkit perk

[tranquil socket]

I'll try that!

[sand oracle]

I run this, but with minor, MINOR alterations.... It works very well, functionally.

Can confirm.

[empty creek]

yeah

[sand oracle]

Mostly, I remove all the stat buffs and just go for as many talents as possible.

[smoky lark]

Press F, like, all the time. You will rip apart waves of elites so you'll always have it up

[empty creek]

i dont see much benefit from going all the way down a branch so i was pretty relaxed w/ everything i got

[sand oracle]

So I cut out the two dangling nodes, and go for some more squad lead buffs

[lilac kayak]

this is mine as of now for melee vet

though I might switch out survivalist to fire team aura to min max for other talents

[empty creek]

i was pretty focused on stat buffs, namely toughness

[sleek junco]

The omnissaih has bestowed this upon me. Where do I take it from here

[empty creek]

but it probably got us the same build so

[sand oracle]

I find that I typically don't need it, while my team does - thus why I ignored the toughness and took the top one that gives team toughness.

[smoky lark]

Your build is great if you like to spend a lot of time wielding melee

[sand oracle]

But that's just because I've got the reaction time for dodges to basically never take damage unless I'm alone.

[lilac kayak]

ofc

[candid bridge]

It’s insane how good that melee attack speed talent is

[smoky lark]

I am a lazy vet who just stands aroun waiting for lines of elites to show up. the peasants can hit the smaller things with shovels if they want

[sand oracle]

You fool - mk6 power sword + w key! It costs no ammo and neither elites, nor smaller things stand a chance.

[rain badger]

Just played for the first time in over 6 months, Jesus. Auric missions are kinda not fun. Constant bullshit lmao

[smoky lark]

I will start using those god damn things when the game finally hands me power cycler IV

[sand oracle]

Some of 'em are geared towards certain compositions, for sure.

[smoky lark]

I refuse to grind for it

[sand oracle]

That's perfectly fair, tbh.

[candid bridge]

Just level a power sword every once in awhile

[lilac kayak]

auric is fun when u play with premade lobbies or with friends whom can somewhat carry their own weight

[fleet drift]

are there any guide to Veteran weapon stat?

[sleek junco]

is carapace 20 ok on a powersword? If so, I can keep power cycle iii and hold out for an eventual iv

[smoky lark]

You can level a power sword every once in a while for like 15 years and still end up with nothing

[rain badger]

Yeee, I tried bolter and plasma. Felt like I was doing nothing. Brauto felt better as I could keep my ability up the whole time.

But I was also super rusty

[lilac kayak]

have 20 ps and still no Cycler 4

[south garnet]

Auric dam is fun, just need people who can cooperate but also survive individually when inevitable rough patches get thrown by the director

Excellent runs can go to total disastrous loss in like 30 seconds

[lilac kayak]

plasma = killfeed steal

[fleet drift]

a single wild mutant can F everything up

[candid bridge]

There was a damnation auric maelstrom with ventilation purge, specialist waves, and extra snipers on consignment yard last night

[sleek junco]

idk that my build can handle auric levels of bullshit

I just damnation quick play these days

[candid bridge]

That shit was wild lol glad we had a Psyker with shield

[fleet drift]

playing damnation make me feel drained sometime

[south garnet]

People who are in the mindset "the team is always top priority" and "I've got this no problem" mindsets tend to send things sideways under high pressure, you need a balance

[rain badger]

Absolutely, and the 100 pen it gets is nice too.

[smoky lark]

guess who had the plasma weapon

[fleet drift]

lol

[forest blaze]

Games are far easier when there's no specials in the entire zip code 😂

[lilac kayak]

hipfire = 99% chance I can lock on a target quicker than anyone else and hit them at the same time

very convenient when a cheeky sniper shows up from a mile away

[wanton dawn]

Succeeding in auric is mostly about being able to handle everything the game throw at you. And you should not expect your team to fill for your own shortcoming

[south garnet]

But also covering for others when you have slack

Ride the line

[smoky lark]

plasma vet does one thing really well, and then covers for his team by spamming toughness and stagger around himself

[fleet drift]

I feel like the most fun I have with auric is when playing 4 vet team

[lilac kayak]

me when I speedrun damn cause I get bored

[wanton dawn]

The point is not that you cannot rely on your team. The point is that if you cannot do something, don't expect your team to do it for yah

[sharp epoch]

its the most struggle is why

[forest blaze]

Also. It's suppression is ridiculous. If there's a wall of shooters, you don't have to shoot at all of them. You can just fire a single shot and the shooters will disperse, giving you time to move up

[south garnet]

Quid pro quo + being capable in your threat management

[sleek junco]

My build is a stripped down autogun sprint mess of fun lmao

[fleet drift]

we somehow even kill Daemonhost without anyone dying

[south garnet]

And also, sometimes you just cannot rely on your team ha

[lilac kayak]

applies alot more to pub matches, I can somewhat rely on premade lobbies groups to perform decently at their roles

[smoky lark]

the only bad thing about plasma is its probably about to get nerfed, along with voice of command.

[fleet drift]

imagine being angry enough to shout Daemonhost to stand down

[sharp epoch]

plasmas not getting nerfed

[south garnet]

We thought VoC was overpowered, so it's now been tweaked to instead stun you and give the enemies extra hp

[smoky lark]

VoC cooldown has been slightly increased to once per match

[lilac kayak]

Chorus 🤡

[candid bridge]

I very rarely get matched with other vets that use the plasma

[wanton dawn]

I perform worse on premade than on pugs

[crimson crown]

can the vet use his ability to get up someone thats downed by the daemonhost before it does the finishing blow? ​i know the finishing blow locks out normal revives, ​just not sure about the vet ability.

[candid bridge]

Yes

[crimson crown]

siiick

[south garnet]

Interesting

[candid bridge]

If you use the auto revive node and pop it as soon as the player goes down you can prevent them from getting the big succ

[lilac kayak]

huh?

[wanton dawn]

Yup

[fleet drift]

you can shout Daemonhost into stoping the finishing animation for a time though

[crimson crown]

nice :D

[south garnet]

Same, pubs are generally easier for me

[candid bridge]

Can also use shouts on other monstrosities that grab players

[crimson crown]

i use bullcharge

[south garnet]

When you don't have the expectation of trust you stay sharper

[crimson crown]

on my ogryn

[fleet drift]

I usually shout then empty my bolter into the boss face

[crimson crown]

to make bosses drop muh buddies

[lilac kayak]

Worse as in losing the match or performing worse as a player

[south garnet]

Well made plans, etc.

[wanton dawn]

Probably also because voice chat is very distracting when not used for pure gameplay

[candid bridge]

Good job big fella

[sharp epoch]

Premades are almost always a 100% success rate for me

I do perform "worse" though cause theyre taking the damage

[fleet drift]

me who never even play a premade cos no mic

[wanton dawn]

Also I did notice that my pubs match have higher average level than my premade match

[fleet drift]

[umbral scaffold]

https://youtu.be/mP8TlvdHgnA?si=uXz2AicPz4Zz4Yxu

[south garnet]

Of course it doesn't help that most the people I do premades with are drunk or stoned or even actively smoking mid match

[wanton dawn]

Ppl crap on public match but you've a lot of 200+ players that do it

[umbral scaffold]

Would you Like to know more ?

https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-gif-26279222

[forest blaze]

I have no idea what my rating is and at this point, I'm too afraid to look

[umbral scaffold]

Prepare for the invasion men and women

[forest blaze]

One of my favorite movies of all time

[wanton dawn]

Just use true_level

[forest blaze]

Yah I don't use mods tho....

[umbral scaffold]

Would you like to know more?

[fleet drift]

when will the update released?

[lilac kayak]

higher level does not equal higher skill imo

[sharp epoch]

My premade is with like 3 lvl 300+ people so its a guaranteed win

[wanton dawn]

High correlation

[fleet drift]

can't wait to rebuild my vet again

[forest blaze]

😦

[south garnet]

Can't wait to redo all 5 builds

Then scrap them and do 5 more experimenting

[lilac kayak]

can be false as it doesn't indicate the true level total among all classes

say if u had a lvl 200 vet and u switch over to ur lvl 20 zealot for fun

[forest blaze]

Context: If I play Ogryn, we will probably lose

[wanton dawn]

Considering that I can see your perks, blessing level, and banners, there are still way to contextualize

[fleet drift]

wonder will we ever get a hotshot lasgun in the future

[sharp epoch]

how ogryns busted rn

[forest blaze]

One can hope. I'd love to see the hellgun, personally. Give me a big ol laser minigun

[forest blaze]

I literally can't answer that question

[wanton dawn]

You don't have the 1500 missions banners at lvl 36

[lilac kayak]

bring kickback and ur winrate will double

[south garnet]

Catfish said she'd rec hellguns to the dev team

We'll see

[lilac eagle]

Because every class has access to las weapons but only Veteran has access to bolters

So they should get something that allows you to go a bolter only build

[fleet drift]

Hotshots and Hellguns were the same thing in the current lore

[lilac eagle]

Because right now the only difference between my bolter build and my las build is the 'lascrits don't consume ammo' talent

[lilac kayak]

zealot has access as well

?

[fleet drift]

sniper is now Long las I think

[forest blaze]

Curse you GW for rewriting my memory

[wanton dawn]

Veteran has reserved access to lucius pattern hellbore and plasma

Not bolter

[lilac eagle]

Zealot not having anything for thunder hammers is pretty BS as well

[lilac eagle]

See so they have the crit las talent for helbores, but nothing for plasma?

[unique oracle]

Hi, are there any people who are interested in helping each other out with some penances ? Especially the ones where you need to do in private games ? Message me!

[lilac kayak]

plasma is fine as it is lmao

[wanton dawn]

I don't care about crit las talent I never go left tree

[fleet drift]

I feel like the Pistol that we use in darktide is the same type that Genestealer Kelemov use right?

[forest blaze]

Just give me this

[south garnet]

Not even for weakspot?

[forest blaze]

And give me a backpack that makes me look like a ghostbuster

[wanton dawn]

I think weakspot is too costly if your weapon do not benefit from deadshot

[south garnet]

Fair

[dusk idol]

agreed

[candid bridge]

Weakspot + onslaught = mega melting crushers with IAGs lol

[wanton dawn]

Also I don't like any weakspot centered weapon

[forest blaze]

The fact that plasma doesn't benefit from deadshot really makes me unhappy

[south garnet]

The alternative node isn't bad with plas

[dusk idol]

it’s not like crit is that strong on plasma anyway though

[wanton dawn]

Exil takedown is not only turbo ass, it is bugged turbo ass

[south garnet]

It's bugged?

[sharp epoch]

hits some breakpoints like rager one taps

[wanton dawn]

Yes it is

[sharp epoch]

it increases damage taken

[dusk idol]

if you’re RMB’ing anyway though it’ll still hit rager one taps

which you need for deadshot

[fleet drift]

I want this sexy boy

[sharp epoch]

shh no one rmbs

[wanton dawn]

In fact you know what ? Am gonna do a vidjo

[south garnet]

As in, doesn't work? It seems to be

[forest blaze]

gib plz

[forest blaze]

kek

[forest blaze]

This for sure. It actually causes you to take MORE damage 😂

[south garnet]

What the hell

[lilac kayak]

determined talent is ass when u find out it only prevent u from swaying from supression fire

[dusk idol]

yeah exactly 😭

[south garnet]

Thanks FS

Very cool

[sharp epoch]

its because they hate vets

[wanton dawn]

I have a strong opinion on the left tree anyway

[stark hollow]

i want a grav-gun

[dusk idol]

if exhil wasn’t bugged I’d take it for precision strikes

[stark hollow]

simple as

[dusk idol]

but it’s fucked beyond all recognition

[fleet drift]

isn't grav weapon not so good against infantry?

[forest blaze]

Grav gun would be SICK. In Necromunda, I have my Van Saar gang. Only grav guns and plasma.

[lilac kayak]

melta plz

[stark hollow]

pretty sure its good against everything

[smoky lark]

Grav gun would only work against carapace armored dudes :D

[fleet drift]

at this rate I feel like Necromunda ganger is better supply than us.

[celest vine]

Volkite enthusiasts

[forest blaze]

They sure do.

[forest blaze]

@fleet drift Regular dudes carrying plasma m'fin CANNONS

[celest vine]

Suprised we have no missile launchers

[acoustic wyvern]

anyone tried a bleed shotty build?

[lilac kayak]

da bomb is one

[fleet drift]

we got Rumbler aren't we

[fleet drift]

[smoky lark]

I suspect bleed is only good for one thing at the moment and it is to proc the zealot's crits.

[forest blaze]

Plasma cannon when

[celest vine]

But no veteran missile launcher

[low wadi]

is knife vet a thing?

[lilac kayak]

no

plz no

[stark hollow]

yes?

[smoky lark]

Yes it is

[pastel geode]

It exists

[stark hollow]

i think pwople play knife revolver

[dusk idol]

it works fine on vet

[low wadi]

what about revolver

[smoky lark]

Knife is very good on vet.

because of the vet's bleed on hit talent

[fleet drift]

Revolver is a beast

[candid bridge]

Stealth knife vet is very fun

[low wadi]

zealot has bleed on hit too

[dusk idol]

veteran uses revolver arguably the best lol

[lilac kayak]

very good for speedrunning ur life out of existence

[sharp epoch]

every knife vet ive seen suck

[acoustic wyvern]

bleed dmg amps up the more stacks you got on there

[forest blaze]

@fleet drift This dude, dual wielding plasma pistols like an absolute chad. Where's my dual plasma, bigshark?

[stark hollow]

i want boob armor for my male vet

[forest blaze]

#inclusion

[smoky lark]

Yes but I've put 16 stacks of bleed on things many times and kind of been unimpressed with the results

[low wadi]

zealot has bleed talent too but knife is among worse weps on zealot

[pastel geode]

Probably people chasing meta builds without understanding them

[celest vine]

Technically this is a cannon gun

[dusk idol]

cannon or canon

[pastel geode]

It’s straight canon

[smoky lark]

Knife is incredible on zealot what are you talking about :D

[lilac kayak]

bleed vet is insane when u devil claw parry against chaos spawn

well zealot too but yeah

[pastel geode]

It’s from the rogue trader rulebook

[low wadi]

c-tier according to zealot council

[celest vine]

Bolt pistol is in the files

The model is anyway

[dusk idol]

this makes me happy

[lilac kayak]

S tier for making random pubs angry

[celest vine]

It has no stats yet

[pastel geode]

Hellgun and guardsman grenade launchers when

[dusk idol]

chaos spawn was found in the files too before it was released

so high hopes

[celest vine]

But that was in the trailer

You should take his advice

[forest blaze]

Touch grass

@iron marten jk

[smoky lark]

its funny cos that means a c tier zealot is more powerful than a s tier anything else then. because Ive seen knife zealots nearly solo auric mael

[fleet drift]

is it viable to play Zealot like a veteran?

[iron marten]

I just spent 2 million ordo on plasma and then I get roasted

[pastel geode]

Purge the grass in the emperors name

[dusk idol]

depends how you play veteran

[celest vine]

Discount veteran is not that good

[wanton dawn]

Exil takedown lady and gentlemen !

[celest vine]

Vet is better at shooting

[lilac kayak]

definitely

[celest vine]

Thats just how it is

[forest blaze]

FS forgot the -

[brisk umbra]

skill issue

[pastel geode]

Personally I still run Flamethrower zealot but I don’t really play it often so I don’t have any standout gear on them.

[wanton dawn]

Also freaking bruiser doing 107 melee damage like that

[forest blaze]

I'm working on leveling my zealot now. I plan on THammer and Bolter to kill all monstrosities

[pastel geode]

My only class left to level is psyker

[candid bridge]

That’s easy to level

Assail with shields till 30

[forest blaze]

😂

[pastel geode]

Lol

[forest blaze]

Assail trivializes low level games.

[pastel geode]

It at 28 I’ve just been distracted with not darktide things

[candid bridge]

Quickplay malice’s will be a breeze

[dense yew]

any tips on how im supposed to use the shovel? i feel like i dont kill anything and get bogged down in melee

what's the point of it if i can use devil claw to actually kill the mobs to get back to shooting faster :/

[unkempt lagoon]

heavies

Sorry, thats a bit reductive
Spamming heavies with the extra attack speed, it really feels like you're able to do the attacks really fast.
The push is also quite strong

[dense yew]

see that's the kinda thing i want to have going

but im not there yet lol

[frank ledge]

We will be

[dense yew]

ah maybe i havent been using the push enough

[frank ledge]

All veterans will become stronger on the basis of having to work harder than psykers

[dense yew]

im in the habit of not really pushing ever

[frank ledge]

we will gain and they will abstain

[dense yew]

from using other weapons

[mystic belfry]

You can solo auric with knife vet though

[dense yew]

where i can kinda just keep attacking and dodging

[unkempt lagoon]

The special also has a lot of stagger but its a stab, so better for if a rager gets too close

[dense yew]

i forgot the shovel gets stronger push, i will try it

right i just feel like the stagger is great and all but it just delays the enemy

i dont die... but i dont clear the horde quick enough to get back to doing vet things

[mystic belfry]

You delay the enemy so they don’t overwhelm you while you kill them

[unkempt lagoon]

I really wouldn't use the special on anything other than a rager, as a combo breaker

[mystic belfry]

You ever seen someone hold an entire bird and bare step back? It’s because of blocks and pushes, unless they’re one hitting mobs with crazy cleave

Even a knife can hold an entire horde, if it’s not mixed too strongly

I like to use special punches to bonk bursters and sometimes dogs out of the air

[dense yew]

yeah i usually use knife, ps, rashid, or dclaw

so maybe im just too used to op weapons

[mystic belfry]

Those are all great yeah

[dense yew]

and not good enough at using regular weapons

[candid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-punch-markiplier-punch-attack-fight-gif-23206537

[unkempt lagoon]

gotta learn somehow

[mystic belfry]

You don’t need to block an push nearly as much as Vermintide but it’s both still important and still useful

[rocky stratus]

is the devils claw meant to be good

[candid bridge]

My shout is my push

[mystic belfry]

Plus, pushing kind of folds the front line back on top of the rest of the horde

So you’re using every ounce of your cleave

I use shout too

Melee/shout vet is my favorite atm

[dense yew]

my shovel is pretty great right? so it's definitely just me then?

[tall torrent]

AoN isn’t the best on shovel imo

[mystic belfry]

Good for shoveling garbage

I mean that both ironically and seriously

[slender turtle]

Two ogryns, two veterans with shouts. Just push all the enemies off a ledge.

||Voice of the emperor achievement unlocked||

[mystic belfry]

Two vets two zealots with shouts and relic

More toughness than you can shake a stick at

[slender turtle]

Can't cause zealot took shroudfield like a weirdo

[dense yew]

what would be better?

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike

[mystic belfry]

I don’t run knife with stealth on either vet or zealot tbh

[dense yew]

ah, makes sense

i do struggle with flak

[candid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-end-jay-baruchel-the-power-of-christ-compels-you-cross-exorcism-gif-5316792

[dense yew]

mostly bruiser hordes are a pain

[slender turtle]

Why would you. On paper it sounds great but you gotta get more time out of the meat grinder

[mystic belfry]

Did you know if you look the opposite direction you dodge, it will carry you from the front side of a crusher or bruiser to directly behind them?

You can curve the dodge

[dense yew]

interesting

[candid bridge]

Wish this game had a “turn 180” button

[dense yew]

like air strafing but dodge strafing?

[mystic belfry]

Knife is a crazy long dodge so it works perfectly if it has some mobility

[mystic belfry]

Yeah. It’s not noticeable for most weapons

But knife dodges a mile

Great for using the rend backstab without having to bring stealth

[candid bridge]

Oops all dodges

[mystic belfry]

Just make sure you inform them that it’s nothing personal

[slender turtle]

kid

[mystic belfry]

In the serious vet voice

[candid bridge]

Loose cannon

[gleaming tusk]

I spend so much time in the meat grinder that my character is probably married to the Psyker lady running it

[slender turtle]

With the professional personality

[rocky stratus]

the knife is so fun

tried it yesterday bc i hated the devils claw and it fit the catachan theme well

[mystic belfry]

Knife is my second favorite weapon after thunder hammer mark two

So it’s my favorite vet weapon

[gleaming tusk]

Power sword has crazy cleave

[mystic belfry]

Power sword six has solid has a nice single target combo

Cancel your charge with a block, then push attack light attack

[slender turtle]

Psyker should get a power sword

[willow badger]

ps6 has really grown on me

[candid bridge]

Mk6 is straight bussin no cap fam fr fr

[willow badger]

thought i would dislike it compared to ps6

[gleaming tusk]

Dueling sword is still my main squeeze bae

[willow badger]

but once i started reflexively block canceling its been nice

[candid bridge]

Mk3*

[willow badger]

ye

my b my b

[gleaming tusk]

Mk 3 is kind of one dimensinal tbh

[candid bridge]

Mk3 has its uses

It’s def preference

[gleaming tusk]

Charged heavy is it's use lmao

[mystic belfry]

Mark six is just better

[candid bridge]

It can also charge with out movement penalty

Also a different push attack (overhead yop)

[gleaming tusk]

tbh charged light on mk 3 has a tendancy to cleave a few baddies into oblivion

[willow badger]

charged light on mk3 not bad

it's like a diagonal slash so def can cleave

[candid bridge]

Charged light yops thru hordes no problem

[gleaming tusk]

It also has decent stagger if you don't lop their head off with the blow

[mystic belfry]

Thing is that charged light on six is fine

But six has single target combo that actually slaps

[willow badger]

do you guys charge heavy on mk vi

[gleaming tusk]

Mk3 has deceptively long reach too

[candid bridge]

Yeah

[willow badger]

i've just been charge light with it through hordes

and push-attack light for single target

[mystic belfry]

Light heavy heavy works if you don’t have room

[willow badger]

hmm ok light heavy heavy

[mystic belfry]

You can also cancel your charge animation with a block

[willow badger]

yea i always block cancel

[candid bridge]

Mk3 charged heavy is very much horde clear

[mystic belfry]

Have you tried bush attack into light attack?

[gleaming tusk]

That's really the only case use for heavy on it

[mystic belfry]

With the right setup it two taps crushers

[stark hollow]

hadron keeps bricking my plasmaguns with shattering impact

[willow badger]

havent been able to two tap crushers

more like three tap

[stark hollow]

6 times now

[mystic belfry]

You need some stuff for it

[candid bridge]

If I crit I can two tap crushers with t3 brutal momentum

[mystic belfry]

That’ll do

[candid bridge]

Otherwise it’s a 3 hit

[gleaming tusk]

Kind of a shame power uncharged damage is worse than mid lmao

[mystic belfry]

Eh it’s okay for horde clear casually. But yeah the gimmick is charged attacks for sure

[willow badger]

yea but with block cancel you can basically charge every hit

assuming you got pc4

[candid bridge]

Even with pc3

Just 1 extra slash is nice

[mystic belfry]

Getting two charged attacks is the most important

[vagrant narwhal]

Same there isn't much need

[candid bridge]

2 is a luxury

[mystic belfry]

Three is gravy

[zealous wyvern]

i just made gravy

[slow spade]

Sharing? C:

[gleaming tusk]

I like laspistol PS combo

[zealous wyvern]

get your rations soldiers

[mystic belfry]

I’ll trade you some mash potatoes

[slow spade]

:D

[zealous wyvern]

mystery-leg and legitimate potatos in gravy

[slow spade]

Damn fancy today

[mystic belfry]

Nice

[candid bridge]

I’ll pour it over my corpse starch

[mystic belfry]

Real potato’s for once :)

[zealous wyvern]

what do you think i use to make the gravy

[mystic belfry]

I’m a veteran

[zealous wyvern]

something has to hold it together

[mystic belfry]

So I know to not ask

[pearl granite]

game only allow us to change two lines of a weapon right?

[acoustic wyvern]

yep

[mystic belfry]

Correct

[candid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-darth-maul-choose-wisely-be-wise-pick-wisely-gif-25473206

[pearl granite]

that explain why my blessing was locked

[vagrant narwhal]

It reminds me of destiny 2, except d2 was as bad or worse at timesb in terms of farming weapons

[dense yew]

okay new shovel has been made, gonna take it for a spin o7

[vagrant narwhal]

But there were also many more changes done to weapon archetypes so things changed around a lot more

[vagrant narwhal]

Beautiful

[low wadi]

so revo is good btw?

[glacial peak]

ok after playing a vet with like mostly shit gear outside the power sword i spent 10k plasteel rolling i get it now

melee vet above all else is very fun

[mystic belfry]

Melee vet is my favorite vet for sure

[umbral scaffold]

Melee vet is viable

[mystic belfry]

And you still have half decent range

[glacial peak]

voice of command with duty and honor is an amazing ult. id kill to have a shout ult with half the utility on zealot

[mystic belfry]

Eh relic is just as good

[glacial peak]

relic makes me go afk for 10 seconds

[mystic belfry]

Teammates or fire nades

[glacial peak]

i know but just from a feel prospective it feels infinitely better

[mystic belfry]

I don’t agree, but I understand

[glacial peak]

i was actually really surpised how tanky you are after killing an elite

[mystic belfry]

That regen is handy

[slow spade]

That's the thing, its never "1" elite

[mystic belfry]

Yes?

[glacial peak]

between confirmed and iron will you actually can gigachad into elite balls and if you do take a few too many hits you have your funny i get all my toughness back button

[candid bridge]

Relic is good but you have to stand there and hold it while doing no damage. Shout lets you insta activate and get back to the fight

[mystic belfry]

And when your toughness is tipped up you have 50% toughness damage reduction

Which makes your golden toughness crazy tanky

[glacial peak]

its massive and your constantly above the threshold if your playing decently well

[mystic belfry]

I sometimes will go for a backstab and just eat a hit because it doesn’t matter and it clears faster

[glacial peak]

that being said ive had a few moments where i just fucking eplode sometimes

[slow spade]

It actually turns off if your bonus toughness drops below 75%

[mystic belfry]

Weird but still great

[slow spade]

Indeed

It seems the game considers the bonus toughness as adding onto your toughness

[mystic belfry]

Second toughness bar rather than overcharge

[slow spade]

So 217+89 toughness is seen as not 100% toughness :c

Really small chip damage but a huge deal for Martyrdom Zealots (rip my friend)

[glacial peak]

this is intentional apprently

that chip is also massively reduced still so its still helpful

[slow spade]

Indeed, I personally think its ok like this or it'd be even more op