veteran-class

[junior needle]

If you want the most amount of options even at the cost of "feels good" then probably

[empty creek]

5'11" perk menu

[mystic belfry]

Smushed

[candid tundra]

what do you run personally? Sorry I'm asking so much lol

[brisk ruin]

If you want to play melee vet... why not run zealot. Never understood it

[empty creek]

melee vet has easier bleed

that & having grenades regen is good

[dusk idol]

and because sometimes you want to have fun in your own way

[mystic belfry]

Just because it's fun to try different builds

[empty creek]

cant forget that the charge rifles have bayonets that also play in2 all of the melee buffs the melee vet gets

which is a hell of a lot of fun

[mystic belfry]

While cool, I ain't using a helbore

I hate the feel

[junior needle]

Bleed. Knoife. Light attacks only.

[empty creek]

the mk2 is the easiest 4 people who hate the thing

fast charge

[mystic belfry]

No, it's not that it's bad or I can't use it

I just hate the feel

I can use plasma fine

[candid tundra]

oh I just meant between the claws if you run them ever

[junior needle]

The latest version of autofire can autofire helbore charging too

[empty creek]

the mk3 helbore makes me want 2 blow my brains out

[sharp brook]

Any gunsights that require mods to correctly ain’t good. Need new sights and make the sprint and bayonet attack stagger or something.

[empty creek]

piece of shit rifle

[dusk idol]

the 4 feels best for me

[junior needle]

Oh, I used the 4 because I only light attack because I'm lazy

[dusk idol]

light > heavy and repeat for hordes, heavy > heavy for elite targets

and parry when you're in the thick of it

[empty creek]

the bayonet charge can kill specials if ur a melee vet & hit the head

[candid tundra]

right gotcha. I assume savage sweep/rampage is the best on them?

[dusk idol]

personally run rampage and skullcrusher or shred

[empty creek]

all i've been doing these past 3 hours is playing auric damn w/ a mk2 helbore abusing the melee build

[dusk idol]

you don't need the extra cleave from savage sweep

[empty creek]

my brain is melting

[junior needle]

Yes, if you're heavy attacking. Light attacks can't penetrate the 3 targets required on thicker targets like bruisers.

[dusk idol]

but if they ever fix rampage, yes, SS and rampage

[candid tundra]

what does skullcrusher do? Shred is the crit one right?

[final locust]

What regiment that does that infantryman krastov belong to?

[dusk idol]

extra damage to staggered targets essentially

not just, it adds up to 80%

it stacks

[candid tundra]

dclaw have any good stagger?

[dusk idol]

heavy 1 does, and your horde clear combo will

but yeah don't expect it to throw anyone around

[candid tundra]

by the way you've peaked my interest, you mind sharing the build that you run for your knife? I'm kind of curious to try knife on vet since all I've been doing lately on zealot is knife

right, so just enough for skullcrusher

ok I'll upgrade some claws and see what I get

[mystic belfry]

Gotta go for light knife with bleed and insta kill :^)

[candid tundra]

btw, last question on them, Are they even any good or are there better weapons like the rashad and power sword out there?

[mystic belfry]

Yep

[dusk idol]

claws?

[candid tundra]

yeah

[dusk idol]

they're good, they have their place

[candid tundra]

I see

[dusk idol]

they have a more consistent horde clear than the powersword since you gotta charge it and much better than rashad

[candid tundra]

cause I've mainly only been using this lately

it feels slow though

[dusk idol]

but loses out in single target damage against both, even with parry

[junior needle]

I take zero melee talents currently so all you'd be getting is a generic deadshot infantry las/shouty brauto vet build. Onslaught stacks with bleed though. It's not very good, I just like being able to bleed things and then they die while I leave.

[candid tundra]

you use mg 1a or mg 12? and do you run krak or frag?

[dusk idol]

with what, push attack?

[final locust]

What regiment that does that infantryman krastov belong to?

[dusk idol]

lights go diagonal and will often stop on second target except light 3 which is horizontal

[candid tundra]

steel legion

you think my rashad is any good? decapitator is unoptimal but it's all I could get

[final locust]

ty

[dusk idol]

even with BM the most you're hitting is 4 targets, dclaw with just rampage will delete hordes

[candid tundra]

no worries legionnaire 🫡

[dusk idol]

though it does slow down considerably against mixed hordes

[candid tundra]

seems like yours attacks faster than mine

odd

ah

[elder dawn]

past 3 games i have been put in to replace a bot and half the group is dead wtf

[candid tundra]

I don't run trench

I've considered making my melee build better but I barely run it anyways

hm

[dusk idol]

makes sense, i don't normally run trench for anything except knife lol

[candid tundra]

this is the current build I'm running for my rashad/columnus v IAG build

it serves me well but as I said the axe feels slow

it does fine, I survive fine

it's just

kinda slow

dont got any good other weapons though either

[junior needle]

Usually the 4 because I like the faster fire rate. 1a and k12 are better if you prefer more one shot headshot potential. I'm very much using a lazy man build.

[candid tundra]

ah yeah the 4 is good, you use infernus on that or nah

let me send my columnus hold on

I use the weakpoint damage for crushers and such

really?

[junior needle]

Absolutely not, infernus is dog on essentially everything now that recons had their crit strings gutted.

[candid tundra]

interesting

what's onslaught again

nvm

[serene sage]

bolter needs to dip heavily into left tree imo

[candid tundra]

i remember

[serene sage]

you kinda need Suppression Immune

[candid tundra]

not really

[serene sage]

otherwise you ain't aiming shit

[candid tundra]

oh wait for bolter

nvm

[mystic belfry]

No more boss :\

He died

[serene sage]

tbf it's kinda hard to get 5 stacks of Pinning Fire on demand

and 15 headshots

i do run frag

[candid tundra]

so @formal lake you think I should run something like this?

red is remove

blue is add

[mystic belfry]

Don't really need boss killing cheese for an isolated boss tbh

[serene sage]

i mean bolter will delete bosses, but always one mag a boss is unrealistic

[candid tundra]

I feel like it would remove some lethality from my columnus

is reciprocity good?

or should I remove it and take agile engagement in stead

I know I want to take agile

but idk if reciprocity is good

so 10% rending means more than 30% weakspot

how so

[midnight patrol]

I dont know if this Vet i met last game was using a trainer or a macro, but they were instantly loading a slug into his agri shotgun and shooting while doing this weird weapon swap animation cancel

[candid tundra]

if I was to do something like this I wouldn't have enough points to get to rending

[midnight patrol]

Shooting slugs as fast as you can shoot normal shotgun rounds lol

[gaunt haven]

I went far left tree for my build

[candid tundra]

so it's similar to how crit dmg works

it's less than what you think

I see

[serene sage]

what weapon are you trying to run?

[candid tundra]

what gun are you running

it depends on that

[gaunt haven]

I’m running Bolter to kill the mini bosses

[candid tundra]

so @formal lake you think I should omit trench fighter and desperado to get down to the rending?

[gaunt haven]

That’s what I’m doing

[candid tundra]

yeah like on my other builds I go down the left side

I shoot more

so probably rending..?

I don't know

desperado also seems very good

[serene sage]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1171461485805965422/image.png?ex=655cc386&is=654a4e86&hm=e904c833f67254588ba76be6aa484a70bb73a92d30232cdff1302090a4cc3bfd&=&width=365&height=779

[candid tundra]

25% more finesse and 10% crit

[bitter scroll]

Question about both Ragers, are they listed as Elite? I try both +25% damage to Maniac & Elite or Maniac & Flak on my weapons but they dont seem to make any noticable different, unlike the +25% Carapace damage on Crusher/Mauler's head

[candid tundra]

do you run more of a melee build?

I see

yeah I just can't choose between trench or rending

[serene sage]

this isn't exactly an all in full damage build, that you need executioner's stance
but it will give you a lot of survivability with shout and can 2 mag bosses

if you want the full damage and try to one mag boss,, just swap for Exec Stance and try to get the last node
i tried it but didn't like it, it overkills a lot of stuff while being a lot squishier

[gaunt haven]

Tbh if I never just checked rn I would probably have never seen that cause it didn’t ping me when you replied to my message

[serene sage]

haha fair

that's cuase i didn't ping 😄

[candid tundra]

okay I did some testing

with rending I get 1000 more dps on crushers than without

makes sense, the 10% lol

on damnation I can't 1 shot crushers without it (bodyshot)

headshots I can one shot with both

[midnight patrol]

Shame cant get to the rending point and carry more ammo.

[stray storm]

This one looks really good but I’ll need to switch out the blessings? Worth it?

[mystic belfry]

Revive speed is clutch for sure

[brisk ruin]

63 stopping is pretty rough

[acoustic wyvern]

i would switch out both blessings and it'llbe 99% perfect

[mystic belfry]

Burn stacks are not terrible

[acoustic wyvern]

headhunter and deadly accurate

[trim steppe]

SP on XII is just stagger right, not damage? I don't mind lack of stagger on XII cuz it lets me get headshots easier

[candid tundra]

alright, thanks for the help though @formal lake really appreciate it. I'll keep testing

[acoustic wyvern]

yea but leave burn stacks to somethingthat shoots....faster and kill lesser

damn i'm actually jealous of that lasgun

[mystic belfry]

I'd be happy to trade that mobility or stability for stopping power

But it's a solid enough roll tbh

[stray storm]

I feel like it’s okay cuz I’m sure I’ll have to switch weapons in case the Las won’t kill them quickly

[acoustic wyvern]

but it wiiill

mk12 is like the small lascannon

[mystic belfry]

Decent green tbh

[stray storm]

As long as it isn’t Carapace The burn stacks seem to work well

[open oasis]

Looking at the skill tree from the new class system, is it just me or is the Veteran heavily railroaded into being a ranged class, while Zealot and Ogryn have more diversity with how they can play the game?

[mystic belfry]

🤔 I don't think zealots have particular build synergy with being ranged, do they?

[candid tundra]

last thing I'll ask you @formal lake, I'm sorry for all the pings: Is rending strikes really that worth taking or should I go for those melee buffs of trench and desperado? cause I use my gun a lot, and at this point the debate is literally between more ranged dps or more melee dps lmao

[acoustic wyvern]

hehe but the special thing about this is that it can kill carapace enemies. deals a chunk of dmg when it crits

[open oasis]

Middle skill tree has a decent amount of ranged skills, with some melee sprinkled on

[trim steppe]

Vet has some great melee talents on the right side. Honestly I feel like the new Vet is a better zealot than the zealot now

[frank ether]

they synergize well with close range weapons like braced auto

[dapper vessel]

Dance of death

[frank ether]

you get the reverse of longshot, up too %25 damage as targets ge closer

[dapper vessel]

they work pretty well with the brautos and iags

[frank ether]

and you are rewarded for dodgiing aswell

[mystic belfry]

Probably just my builds I guess, but it feels more like you're always melee with optionally a bit of ranged support

[frank ether]

-%75 spread -%50 recoil for 3s on dodge

[stray storm]

Against the Mauler yes but the Crusher is a whole different issue

[mystic belfry]

I mean, how often do you really need that spread and recoil

[dapper vessel]

not too often but its nice to have

[mystic belfry]

I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[trim steppe]

best zealot is revolver zealot anyway

[dapper vessel]

honestly though, its seen more as a travel node to get to TWBS

Anoint in blood is another good node for ranged damage

but its also mostly to reach Purge the Unclean

[frank ether]

Its very useful to braced and iag hipfire

[open oasis]

I thought Bolter/Evis zealot is still king

[frank ether]

gameplay loop of zealot involves a lot of dodging to make distance as you shoot specials

[stray storm]

For a Lasgun build what would its perk tree look like?

[frank ether]

not like vet is any different

[trim steppe]

bolter cant take out a sniper or bomber in .1 seconds

[dapper vessel]

I would guess exe stance as ult, but not necessarily. Then you go with Shock Trooper and Onslaught/Rending Strikes

its a shame Exhilirating takedown is bugged right now. I dont like using Deadshot personally.

[frank ether]

what will happen to exhilarating with keystones moving confirmed kill to left tree

[trim steppe]

Deadshot is still such a drag even with flat stamina drain. Its better but I still never take it

[frank ether]

vet tree still seems like it will be the least flexible

[dapper vessel]

I will crumble if confirmed kill and iron will is on opposite ends of each other

[frank ether]

I'll probably just

play gunpsyker

thats how I will cope with idiotic changes

[open oasis]

I'll probably end up maining Zealot still

I do wanna give Veteran a fair shot tho

[harsh ravine]

I cannot get the “On overwatch Penance”

It’s so annoying

[trim steppe]

It does generally take a good amount of effort and practice

[dapper vessel]

yeah

[harsh ravine]

I think I’d need a whole squad to babysit me. I got close with ransoms but it’s very difficult

[dapper vessel]

though Graia is the weakest IAG currently compared to Columnus and Agrip

[trim steppe]

It's a solid roll, if nothing else pick it up just for Fire Frenzy T4 if you don't already have. If you get a better IAG you can strip it off and put it on that gun

[stray storm]

Generally yeah

[frank ether]

the idea is you avoid left tree like the plague it is

and make a melee vet

iag is popular on vet beause it works without investing in garbage aka left tree

[trim steppe]

I'd go shout over executioner's, shout is just so much stronger. Go heavy into the middle tree and pick up onslaught at the end

[stray storm]

Kark you that consume no ammo for lasguns is good 😭

[trim steppe]

yeah get kark nades for carapace

[frank ether]

dont shoot at trash packs

[stray storm]

Elaborate?

[mystic belfry]

never shoot your gun

Ever

[austere mica]

If I were to pull the points required for precision strikes and exhilarating takedown, what should I use them for (running a plasma build with kraks)

[mystic belfry]

You'll never run out of ammo

[languid escarp]

takedown is bugged

[austere mica]

I know

[dapper vessel]

Honestly go for the middle tree

[austere mica]

thats why I'm pulling it

[trim steppe]

You dont really need the ammo from shock trooper if you dont shoot trash, elites take like 6 ammo to kill and refund 9 with survivalist

[dapper vessel]

take rending strikes for the 10% damage buff

and the toughness node before the red node

[austere mica]

ok

thanks

[stray storm]

Oh

[trim steppe]

it helps but its not necessary. Recons got the most out of it but then they got nerfed

[frank ether]

I like how on zealot I get my keystones for existing

and on vet its gonna be mental tax

[trim steppe]

I second taking rending strikes with plasma, it helps hit breakpoints

[scenic lance]

You guys think command shout is gonna get nerfed?

[austere mica]

I have one point leftover, should I grab the red perk or no

[gusty bison]

:c

[scenic lance]

I like my 30% weak spot damage lol

[stray storm]

Me too

[frank ether]

pretty meaningless for iag

[scenic lance]

For what

[stray storm]

Really?

[gusty bison]

IAGs have great finesse, but IAGs also have balls to the wall levels of DPS

[stray storm]

Wouldn’t you want it to do more DPS to kill more enemies quicker?

[trim steppe]

Yup looks great. Only difference between yours and mine is I switched Field Provisions for Charismatic to boost shout radius and keep me in coherency more while diving into melee with the IAG

[scenic lance]

Yeah I just use plasma gun and power sword, as the empruh intended

[gusty bison]

Basically you need to be really good to see much noticeable improvement from precision strikes on an IAG, cos most of the time spent on an IAG is not shooting, but rather transfering aim between enemies

Precision strikes is VERY good as a melee trait though

Esp when combined with the finesse boosting node

Shame they are on opposite sides

[frank ether]

even then its not worth dropping desperado+trench fighter

[trim steppe]

also all the energy weapons

[gusty bison]

Run both

[frank ether]

and overall right tree melee package is significantly stronger

[scenic lance]

I like me invulnerable for 70% of the match veteran build

[frank ether]

I'd muh rather go middle+right rn

[gusty bison]

The main draw for the left side is deadshot atm

[frank ether]

aka invest in stamina or be out of stamina

[dapper vessel]

TRUE

[frank ether]

I'm not gonna run a paper vet

[gusty bison]

Everything else is ok but not blow ur socks off good

Precision strikes is fine as a 2 talent extension for deadshot. But not as a 5 talent dive

[dapper vessel]

left tree you can just stop at shocktrooper or precision strikes

[stray storm]

With Precsion strike I’m able to 1 one most manics and flak enemies

[dapper vessel]

like yeah dude +25% ammo is a game changer

[gusty bison]

If exhiliarating wasnt bugged left tree would be fine I feel

[stray storm]

But without it, enemies feel more bullet sponges

[frank ether]

lmao and they're leaving that there post keystones too as unavoidable choice

[gusty bison]

And even now if ur a deadshot player, left tree is solid

Ngl the new marksman keystone feels... meh

None of the three new revelaed keystones impresses me

[frank ether]

left tree is not solid

[dapper vessel]

Im hyped for the rightmost keystone

[frank ether]

you're playing +9 stamina

and avoiding the bugged exhilarating

[stray storm]

The ping one seems to stack damage

[gusty bison]

I dont see the issue. :P

+9 tbf is overkill

[frank ether]

issue is you are paper regardless of choice

[gusty bison]

U can get away with +6 on most guns

[dapper vessel]

I do not like the left keystone. The middle one I can see some use if you're playing something like a Helbore

[frank ether]

if I'm gonna be paper I'd just play gunpsyker at that point

why bother with vet

[gusty bison]

Voice

Shout makes u not paper

Psyker has nothing close to shout

[stray storm]

Shout can actually shape u into a Leman Russ
It’s pretty good

[frank ether]

psyker isnt permanently out of stamina for aiming down sights

[gusty bison]

I mean with +6 stamina you should almost never bottom out

Except during really extended sprints

[frank ether]

and if I'm going shout + iron will route at that point I'm not left tree

[dapper vessel]

Deadshot you atleast run 1 +3 stamina curio minimum

[gusty bison]

Go shout, left and middle/right

[dapper vessel]

though I dont really like deadshot personally

and most of the weapons that rely on crits that I use already have Surgical

[gusty bison]

The point is you only need enough durability to get through a mission.

[frank ether]

its just more mental tax for a class that already has too much of it. Do you really want to manage keystone+volley fire+deadshot next patch?

[austere mica]

does competitive urge affect ranged damage

[dusk idol]

it should

[gusty bison]

Tbh deadshot is something that you get used to after a while

[dapper vessel]

+20% base damage should affect everything

I wonder if it also affects weapon bashes?

[dusk idol]

it should

[gusty bison]

Main advantage is you save about half a second per shot for guaranteed crits and u usually have a higher baseline for crits when spamming.

[austere mica]

using it as a breakpoint sounds like a less than ideal choice but here we go

[gusty bison]

But yea it really comes down to how much you can squeeze out of the gun.

I'd agree though that deadshot is hard to use and requires a fair bit of practice

[languid escarp]

why though? it still works even when stamina runs out

[gusty bison]

It doesnt

[frank ether]

It doesnt.

[dusk idol]

it doesn't

[languid escarp]

wait what

[frank ether]

lmao

[gusty bison]

Mhm

Gotta keep the stamina up

[halcyon zephyr]

is it still % stamina?

meaning curios only make it worse?

[dusk idol]

it's per shot now

[gusty bison]

No its flat

[dusk idol]

flat cost per shoit

i mean

[frank ether]

flat cost so it fucks you over for not investing in stamina now

[gusty bison]

So if u stack a shit ton of stamina you can full auto a columnus for an entire clip and not run out

[frank ether]

have fun having like 150 something toughness and doing probably less crits than a gunpsyker

[gusty bison]

112 toughness

;P

[frank ether]

lmao

literal paper

[gusty bison]

Well

Thats a lie

212 toughness

Shout lol

[dusk idol]

i've never had that much toughness and i still do well

[frank ether]

what will you do when shout gets the nerf bat

[gusty bison]

Psyker doesnt get helbore

[gusty bison]

Get gud

[frank ether]

doesnt need it

[gusty bison]

Tbh i ran this build patch 13

It was tighter but still doable

Patch 14 its deffo feels enough leeway to work with. 13 felt tricky but shout still kinda allowed 1 mistake once in a while

Cos u shout to insta full

[languid escarp]

beg my team to not have more than 1 Ogryn so I could use Exe stance

[mortal horizon]

how bad is this, do the low cleave and mobility rly mattyer

[dusk idol]

just exe stance with a bolter, like the good ol days

[gusty bison]

Tbh the helbore is still a god tier rifle.

So thats still a plus

[dusk idol]

it's fine

[gusty bison]

The IAGs I think the crit chance ends up being similar?

[dusk idol]

your powered swings won't feel any different

and mobility is the dump stat for PS, though i've heard some people prefer finesse instead

but either way i reckon it'll do fine

[white minnow]

i'd dump cleave targets on the psword

[dapper vessel]

Low cleave targets don't really matter

[white minnow]

11.7 cleave at 80% cleave targets and 10.9 cleave at 60% cleave targets (on specials)

so a fairly marginal difference

[dapper vessel]

And slaught already increases your cleave with stacks up

[languid escarp]

do all melee weapons have the same reach?

[gusty bison]

No

See ogryn

[languid escarp]

how to see reach then

[gusty bison]

Psykanium

[white minnow]

build a tent in the psykhanium and test it out

[placid portal]

Swing them at psykarnium

[white minnow]

i don't think that information is easily accessible and there are no mods showing the hitbox of attacks yet

[placid portal]

But you can guess how far by size of weapon

[languid escarp]

Ogryn do be hitting out of reach sometimes

at least thats how it seems to me

the tip of the weapon aint connecting but I still see hit marker

[serene bough]

as long as mobility >50% its fine

cleave idk how much it matters for a power sword because your charge attacks have effectively infinite cleave

[white minnow]

yeah, enemies and players generally have attack hitboxes that are longer than what the models would suggest

[white minnow]

11.7 cleave at 80% cleave targets

for reference, poxwalkers have 1.5 hitmass and groaners 1.25 hitmass

[serene bough]

powersword charged attacks don't seem to have a cleave cap on poxwalkers

[dapper vessel]

I fucking hate how much of an eldritch abomination Rager's attack reach is

[serene bough]

cuts through them like butter

[placid portal]

They didnt before nerf

[serene sage]

yep lmao

[dapper vessel]

The discrepancy between the size of their weapon and the actual hitbox

[serene sage]

and they eat up toughness/health too

[white minnow]

you'd have to hit 8 poxwalkers before they stop your cleave

[plush jetty]

Are unarmoured and Unyielding different kind of heatlth ?

[gusty bison]

Yes

[white minnow]

i forget how the psword's cleave-stopped animation looks like but that's probably contributing to it as well

[frank ether]

yeah pretty dumb

[placid portal]

Just respect their attack turn and punish with shovel stab or gunning them down

[frank ether]

its one of those things that gets newbies killed a lot

[hollow turtle]

5 shovels in my inventory and i don't use a single one. What's the most ideal blessings for a shovel?

[placid portal]

Uncanny is nice

[serene bough]

uncanny + decimator

[gusty bison]

Uncanny Strike
Decimator or Headtaker

[serene bough]

although decimator is kinda doodoo now

[gusty bison]

Deci/HT is personal pref

[plush jetty]

Apart from the Poxwalkers, who else has infested as health type ?

[serene bough]

dogs

[gusty bison]

Dogs

[frank ether]

decimator isnt very good in my experience

[placid portal]

Headtaker is the dmg while staggered?

[white minnow]

and bursters

[gusty bison]

Damage from hit

[white minnow]

so +infested is pretty meh on weapons

[gusty bison]

But it has low stacks

[placid portal]

Wait

[frank ether]

and people just parrot it being good but one miss resets decimator and it takes 10 hits to stack. I'd rather go for something else.

[placid portal]

SHOVEL HAD HEADTAKER?

[serene bough]

main stat you want on most weapons is flak and maniac

[gusty bison]

Yes

[dapper vessel]

Wait shovel get a Headtaker too? Vet shovel?

[placid portal]

Nani

I never saw it

[mortal horizon]

ya, it feels fine just making sure wasnt something i was missing. like arco said its like an 11 to 10 target cleave difference, meh

[serene bough]

shovel doesnt have headtaker

[gusty bison]

Wait i might be wrong

Derp

I messed up lel

[dapper vessel]

Kekw

It's only Decimator on shovel

[placid portal]

Skull crusher is the 5% dmg with 4 stacks on stagger iirc

[mystic belfry]

Shovel blessings

[dapper vessel]

I so wish we get Headtaker for it. Just because of how hard it is to maintain deci stacks now

[serene bough]

most stats on weapons are kinda negligible as long as theyre 60-80% range

[frank ether]

I'd say take a swing instead of deci maybe

if you're running it on left tree vet especially

[placid portal]

Take a swing is fun

Easy headshots

[serene bough]

i actually dislike shovel blessings a lot

they feel mostly useless

[dapper vessel]

It's actually 10% up to 80% now

[placid portal]

Wow

Ffs fs

No update on blessing description?

[languid escarp]

sheesh

[dapper vessel]

Yep

[frank ether]

I'm putting up a guess based on what I know that right tree vet (already popular) will skyrocket in popularity post keystones

they get the best keystone

[placid portal]

Dunno

They'll have to rework the entire tree

[serene bough]

i just hope the new tree doesn't lock half of your points into obvious must pick options

[frank ether]

and maybe I'll be wrong its up to the additional nodes at the bottom but left tree still seems to have a bunch of tax talents

and by just itself marksman is really really bad

[placid portal]

Ye

[frank ether]

can only move for 3 seconds thats not gonna fly well by itself you are guaranteed to want to invest further

and at that point

you already invested in meme talents

like no suppression

or %25 ammo

which is overkill territory you only need so much ammo on top of survivalist

the only seemingly bad thing for weapon specialist keystone is

5 seconds for range

so slow swap weapons that will affect them but not if there is a node to adress it

[gusty bison]

I think not going keystones is still gonna be a viable option tbh

[hollow turtle]

These are both trash rolls, but for the sake of keeping one until I can find one better, which one should I keep?

[placid portal]

Like I said gotta redo the whole damn tree to fit in the keystones

[gusty bison]

None of the three keystones are particularly appealing

[gusty bison]

Right

Uncanny makes up for a weaker pen

[hollow turtle]

The one that stands out to me most is the middle and the right keystones. The one where you can't move is.. Awfully niche.

[gusty bison]

Middle is ok

But like

[hollow turtle]

Middle is pretty much Saltzpyre WH Captain

[gusty bison]

I dont need the extra damage vs most things

And i dont wanna be saving stacks for a boss

[placid portal]

Marking is such a habit I'll waste it xdf

[gusty bison]

Right is nice for some weapons

[hollow turtle]

Lol i'd be marking everything. We'll have to see what's those branch nodes.

[elder relic]

gimme

[frank ether]

Might also be the case. I know marksman is actual garbage and I wont be taking it on any marksman weapons, if they nerf finesse on marksman weapons to force me into using it I'll just drop the weapons entirely

[gusty bison]

Thing is the more u mark spam, the less value u get

[frank ether]

so as usual why bother

[midnight mortar]

And with special/Elite density in Aurics and Malestroms? Fucking kek.

[candid tundra]

hey guys just another question, last melk had a power sword with brmomentum 4, I skipped it. Now there's one with sunder 4. Should I get it? 3k melk bucks in my wallet currently but I will get another 4k or so when I complete my tasks

[midnight mortar]

It's a joke of a keystone.

[frank ether]

just go mixed vet like you do now

[placid portal]

Unless you can get these marks fast

[gusty bison]

They take 3s to generate

Granted the stacks come for free. But still...

[midnight mortar]

The picture said 3 seconds.

[placid portal]

Bruh moment

[frank ether]

you need like what? 18 seconds to fully charge it?

[gusty bison]

Ye

[midnight mortar]

And you're incentivized to hold onto them.

[frank ether]

have fun with that king

[midnight mortar]

Because they build charges to increase damage.

[gusty bison]

Its great vs bosses

But like

[midnight mortar]

Which, is completely worthless versus the majority of enemies and situations you face.

[placid portal]

Ye but the sub nodes can show other methods to build stacks

[midnight mortar]

Oh boy! Bosses die even faster than they did before!

[gusty bison]

Esp since you dint need extra damage vs most things u mark

[elder relic]

you could always just keep rolling prof power swords until you get bm4

[frank ether]

thats incredibly niche bosses already melt to a good team

[gusty bison]

Tbf so does everything else

[midnight mortar]

Exactly.

[frank ether]

and when there are like 5 crushers in your face marking one is a meme

[candid tundra]

yeah, I skipped it just cause I was told bm4 isnt that important

is sunder 4 necessary>?

?*

[midnight mortar]

Right? Like in a swarm of 8 ragers, that one dying in particular is so going to help the squad.

[frank ether]

at least its not as bad as marksman lmao

[gusty bison]

Esp since the bonus doesnt change breakpoints much anyway

[midnight mortar]

Darktide's entire philosophy for difficulty right now is increasing enemy numbers, HP, and damage.

[frank ether]

like it doesnt force you into bad gameplay habits

or add a mental tax

[gusty bison]

Marksman i can see being usable with a helbore and an incredibly good aim

[elder relic]

raking fire

[gusty bison]

But like

[midnight mortar]

There's no particular enemy AI that would benefit from being singled out via marked damage to die faster.

[candid tundra]

this is mine that I use

[mystic belfry]

🤔 Do chain attack apply bleed from melee hits for each tick or per attack?

[dapper vessel]

reminds me of Skyrim

[gusty bison]

You need to be fucking good at aiming

[frank ether]

middle keystone clearly there for squad leader larping

[gusty bison]

Laspistol can do marksman also

[candid tundra]

@tender quartzfire frenzy is good too, I would replace the groaners/poxwalkers for something like flak or specialists

[elder relic]

yeah but its good with stealth

[frank ether]

What benefit do I get when most things I already kill in one headshot?

[dapper vessel]

Raking fire only requires you to be 180 against an enemy

[placid portal]

You'll find yourself behind enemies quite often

[candid tundra]

raking fire is only good if you're gonna use it for stealth, I don't use mine for stealth

[dapper vessel]

its one of the good options to have and pairs well with stealth

[gusty bison]

You can kill ogryns in a single head tap i guess xD

[placid portal]

Also mag dump behind enemies thst run past you for some reason

[gusty bison]

Laspistol then

Laspistol actually doesnt kill many things in 1 bullet. But it shoots bloody fast

[frank ether]

yeah beause it matters so much when a crusher is far away, and when they are up close I totally want to stand still

[gilded wraith]

How is the mk4 ilg now?

[placid portal]

I seen laspistol reach 700 om crit headshot

[gusty bison]

If u get a headshot kill u get 3 seconds of moving

[frank ether]

as opposed to going left tree to make up for my melee weakness you know

right*

[gusty bison]

Ya 700 is a 2 shot kill on most elites

[frank ether]

that means I'm not shooting the crusher do I

[mystic belfry]

Ngl, digging combat knife melee vet

[elder relic]

faster than the mg4?

[gusty bison]

About the same i think but laspistol has better finesse

And less recoil

[frank ether]

its gonna be like you turn a corner, see a crusher and start shooting random gunners or shit around to charge up marksman

[elder relic]

wow its so goated

[frank ether]

that doesnt compute with me

[gusty bison]

Tbf, this... isnt that bad

Kinda is what you can do now

You wanna kill the trapper behind the crusher first anyway

[frank ether]

If you have to rely on it god help you, and if you dont have to rely on it, wasted talents.

there is no universe where you'll look at marksman and go like ''I love this keystone''

[hollow turtle]

OHHHhhhh....
That's why everyone praises the shovel...

[white minnow]

there are also other undetermined aspects like how much it stacks up to and how many stacks you lose while moving

[placid portal]

Shovel with 120% rending

[gusty bison]

Id agree. All 3 of them dont feel that appealing

[placid portal]

Yep

[mystic belfry]

I checked, at least for chain axe, it only procs once per light attack even when you have multiple ticks

[hollow turtle]

That's what I was lacking this whole time. The rending on the shovel.

[gusty bison]

Like deadshot as a talent feels more impactful than these keystones

[frank ether]

And I get called a clown for saying this but take a look at psyker/zealot keystones which one of them has such niche use cases and demand extra talent tax to be fixed? None.

[junior needle]

Can confirm

[placid portal]

Deadshot being a meme skill into a keystone like skill is amazing

[mystic belfry]

The weapon swap talent will be super impactful

[placid portal]

Meh

[spark hamlet]

[frank ether]

Even matyrdom zealot doesnt demand this kind of mental tax or playstyle alteration

[mystic belfry]

My cowboy playstyle with revovler will be stronger than ever

[midnight mortar]

Probably because it's using stamina as a resource cost and then not punishing Veteran for doing what Veteran would normally do. Instead enhancing a particular aspect of something he already does.

[gusty bison]

Matyrdom is the most braindead zealot tbf

[midnight mortar]

Meanwhile that marksman keystone is gimmicky as hell.

Punishing Veteran for moving too much for one thing.

[frank ether]

Yes and as opposed to that marksman is just made for sedition difficulty enjoyers and marksman larpers

[mystic belfry]

yeah, but veteran doesn't have to play the floor is lava with med kits :v

[placid portal]

Stamina is kinda valuable to stay alive in melee

[midnight mortar]

And then the benefit of that isn't even proportional to the cost.

[white minnow]

warp charges have some tax (7 nodes for +16% damage and 9 nodes for +24% damage)

[gusty bison]

Yea. Its basically telling u, you need to hit heads

Cos standing still is no bueno

So basically it reads, hit a head every 3 seconds to get stacking benefits

[mystic belfry]

Easiest way to get around having 0 stamina is to run a claw and use counter to block

[midnight mortar]

In other words, "you better have a weapon with decent moving spread or else".

[elder relic]

vets should get better dakka to compensate

[frank ether]

no no

[dapper vessel]

if it has the old Camo Vet built in I probably would feel less meh about it

[frank ether]

vet deserves being ran into the ground honestly

[gusty bison]

Tbf 3 seconds is a long window for a headshot kill

[dapper vessel]

but then would cause the problem of too many Vets now standing still and not taking any aggro from enemies

[frank ether]

if it pushes actual mouthbreathers out of the class

I'm all for it

[midnight mortar]

Yes, but its nature as a resource means it can be managed around. There's a fair give and take in balancing how much you have versus making key shots.

[junior needle]

You need to kill for 3 seconds, hitting a head gives you one second of not dropping, and you only get stacks from kills

[midnight mortar]

Which is a far cry from that Marksman keystone.

[gusty bison]

Ok fair but a lotta guns atm are 1 head tap

Or rapid fire

[frank ether]

I like how

[midnight mortar]

The marksman keystone says: Your resources are headshot kills. You lose out if you move too much.

[frank ether]

the marksman discussion is like a trap for people who dont play volley fire to expose themselves

[gusty bison]

I see it more as.

Your resources are headshot kills, you lose them if u miss heads too much

[frank ether]

how often do you have teammates steal a kill to end your volley fire

or just push something off

stagger the enemy you were aiming for a headshot

[placid portal]

Yes

But I shoot faster

[frank ether]

You are gaslighting yourself or a genuine moron if you think you an keep up with 3 seconds intead of 5

[gusty bison]

Which is quite rough.

I think its possible to run if ur VERY skilled at ur gun

[midnight mortar]

Even if we go with the more generous interpretation, what does doing all of that get you as Veteran? Like look at its on paper stats and then the tangible impact Veteran would have on the field.

[frank ether]

because rely on teammates is setting yourself up for failure

[elder relic]

fax

[midnight mortar]

All that for what amounts to such a marginal benefit.

[frank ether]

Its probably gonna be similar playstyle

you get precision strikes and then leave left tree

[midnight mortar]

Man what a state that'd be.

[junior needle]

Even smaller on guns without huge base crit/weakspot damage because fatshork calculations are nonsensical

[frank ether]

The only exception is if the additional talents are so incredible

[white minnow]

it doesn't seem immediately impressive to me either, but we don't know how much it stacks up to or how fast you lose stacks

and there are the upgrade nodes to it

[midnight mortar]

Fatshark spends months working on the Veteran talent tree to scrap its keystones, then decide to reimplement keystones, only for them to be functionally worthless in 2 out of 3 iterations of keystones so everyone just keeps doing what they'd been doing for the past number of months.

[gusty bison]

I think literally only laspistol significantly benefits from marksman?

[frank ether]

I think there will be an additional talent that ups it to 5 or so seconds

[midnight mortar]

Don't remind me. RIP 25% of the Veteran's arsenal.

[gusty bison]

But laspistol benefits a lot from it tbf

[junior needle]

laspistol does shit damage unless you're critting or headshotting already

So it's a mostly finesse gun

[frank ether]

Yeah except I assume my builds will end up a lot worse because existing talents has to be nerfed in some way to make room for potential keystone power

[sharp ember]

is it normal for surge staff to explode most elites and trash enemies in a traction of a second

[frank ether]

So expect some talents to be nerfed or moved or removed

[midnight mortar]

Yeah I'm bracing for confirmed kill to be out of my reach.

[placid portal]

Sorta the empowered psyonics buff affect surge staff

[frank ether]

I think its under marksman now lmao

hahaha

the irony

[midnight mortar]

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

[gusty bison]

Tbf i expect exhilarating to be unbugged and that would be a nice buff.

[midnight mortar]

Now the keystones may end up as taxes for Veteran to have survivability and toughness regen.

Maybe Fatshark just has a hard time understanding how to synergize Veteran talents with weapons.

[cursive goblet]

I just got this from brunts. I have another not as good one but its got "Gets Hot" on it. What do I do next with this. Just go bless it?

[midnight mortar]

Since Veteran is so much more weapon dependent for playstyle identity.

[frank ether]

sharpshooter was fine prepatch

all it needed was a tap in the wrist

[gusty bison]

Yep just go bless it

[frank ether]

as other things got overbuffed it would fit in its place

[gusty bison]

Uh. Unwavering?

We did remember unwavering yes?

75% DR perma up

[frank ether]

was that up in P12?

[gusty bison]

Yes

[white minnow]

prepatch 0 ammo picked up in monstrosity maelstroms

[junior needle]

Unless you switched to melee

[white minnow]

the good ol' days

[gusty bison]

P12 had unwavering counterfire and pinning

[gusty bison]

Imagine switching to melee on P12 vet

[frank ether]

And in P13 they introduced ogryn/zealot builds with like %90 TDR no?

[white minnow]

ogryn zealot stuff is also overtuned right now

[frank ether]

and you had assail psyker

[gusty bison]

Situational and they dont have CK.

[white minnow]

that too is overtuned

[frank ether]

so it wouldn't stand out would it

[white minnow]

sucks that vet is weaker but that's not a good reason to overbuff them either

[frank ether]

not that volley needs that kind of toughness DR

[gusty bison]

Like yes they are strong but Unwavering was even worse

[white minnow]

tbf new ogryn is reaching new heights

[gusty bison]

Cos Zealot doesnt have 300 toughness and 75% DR

[white minnow]

just that basically no one plays it to see what you can do with it

[placid portal]

Ogryn is already giant man

[gusty bison]

Matyrdom is broke atm

[placid portal]

Fun stuff

[gusty bison]

But like unwavering + CK was a whole nother drug

[serene sage]

the irony

LeArN tO KeeP CoHerenCY
lowest coherency

[placid portal]

97 is pretty high meaning blud just goes ahead or falls behind

[gusty bison]

Im half convinced the coherency display on the Scoreboard™️ is bugged

[serene sage]

he was pretty new

but act like he knows it all

[south garnet]

y-yea uh c-cool

[gusty bison]

Ive never seen it drop below 95

[serene sage]

i split to rez out psyker who were doing damage

[gusty bison]

Or go above 105

[serene sage]

and they yelled at me

for splitting

[gusty bison]

And im not conviced every player has +-10 coherency

[placid portal]

Lol

[gusty bison]

Dunno how the SB calcs it

[placid portal]

I've seen 87

[orchid condor]

first time being vet for the 30 lvl 4 char, what build yall recommended?

[serene sage]

why the fuck do you need them to be online to block them

[placid portal]

Anything suiting your fancy

[serene sage]

like what the fuck FS

[gusty bison]

Depends on ur preferred weapon

[spark hamlet]

Gun

:)

[south garnet]

wrong

[elder relic]

there should be an auto block function

[south garnet]

shovel

[placid portal]

I am gonna get blacklisted by ppl bc im stoopid

[spark hamlet]

I stand corrected

[placid portal]

[orchid condor]

the auto gun keep going vertically and cant aim

[placid portal]

A Knoife

[spark hamlet]

Shuvl

[orchid condor]

how be vet when cant vet D:

[spark hamlet]

Shvl

[placid portal]

Lol

[spark hamlet]

Svl

[south garnet]

knife is just small dumb looking shovel

[gusty bison]

Infantry autoguns have less recoil when stationary

[cursive goblet]

Alright, here is how it ended up. Any recommendations on what to change? I have Gets Hot 4 on another plasma gun so thats an option for replacing a blessing I think.

[spark hamlet]

Sv

[mystic belfry]

Question: What does this effect?

[gusty bison]

And most of the recoil is vertical

So you can compensate

[spark hamlet]

I was showcasing an auto gun with like

[gusty bison]

Also infantry autogun is meant to be fired in aimed bursts

[placid portal]

Toughness regen on coherency

[spark hamlet]

9% stability

[gusty bison]

It has a VERY good headshot multiplier

[mystic belfry]

Just base regen, or like from on kill and whatnot too?

[placid portal]

Also toughness regen delay on coherency

[gusty bison]

Just base regen

[south garnet]

in theory, anything that gives you toughness from nodes, blessings, etc. In practice? idk lol roll the dice, FS probably doesn't know themselves

[mystic belfry]

ty

[placid portal]

More you have faster you recover in coherency

Especially nice during gunfights

[digital gazelle]

Is this worth keeping to build upon?

[mystic belfry]

Yes

[south garnet]

reminder per ogryn pin: Toughness Replenishment is the toughness gained from kills, blessings like 'Confident Strike' or talents like 'Smash 'Em!'; Toughness Regeneration is the toughness passively gained while being in coherency.

[placid portal]

Replenishment in general seems like just for coherency

[south garnet]

all the same, never trust FS and their wording

[mystic belfry]

I asked because I never trust fatshark tool tips

[digital gazelle]

or is this better?

[mystic belfry]

I played vermtide for too long for that to happen

[mystic belfry]

The first one

[gusty bison]

This one

[digital gazelle]

Is finesse the important stat compared to mobility?

[mystic belfry]

Mobility rarely matters

And by rarely I mean basically never

[south garnet]

finesse affects attack speed and weakspot multipliers

[gusty bison]

Yes

Holy shit yes

If a weapon has a finesse bar ya better damn max it out

[south garnet]

it's basically the one big thing you want on any melee weapon that has it

aside from damage

[gusty bison]

Even more than damage tbh

Cos the multiplier is usually greater

[south garnet]

yea

[mystic belfry]

crowd control sometimes has attack speed too

[south garnet]

as long as your mobility is at the threshold you get max dodges for the weapon you're basically fine, and you can survive with less than still

typically like 60-some percent iirc

[gusty bison]

And u can be fine with 1 less dodge anyway

[south garnet]

^

[mystic belfry]

generally 3-4 dodges is plenty

Also check the stat page of your weapon and see what each stat boosts

[placid portal]

Knife with 5 dodges

[south garnet]

if you find yourself bunny hopping you've gotten yourself into a right pickle

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/dodge-the-matrix-swerve-lunge-dive-gif-22197111

[south garnet]

whether it's 3 or 5

[blazing copper]

Do blue hit markers on bulwarks count towards the accuracy penance?

[mystic belfry]

The best part about max mobility knife isn't spamming dodge, it's doing one sideways curving dodge to teleport behind your enemy and backstab them with 100% rending

Shit is dope

[gusty bison]

No

[digital gazelle]

ok so because the game doesnt let me fave/lock swords i may have accidentaly sold it, however

or is this garbage

[mystic belfry]

It's not garbage

[digital gazelle]

wait no this is even better

[mystic belfry]

Could be better though, obviously

[sharp ember]

it's fine, upgrades are more important

that's better

[mystic belfry]

Yeah that's good

[cursive goblet]

Anyone know what I should change on this? I have a Gets Hot 4 blessing I can use

[brisk ruin]

inb4 hadron frags it

[mystic belfry]

You can sort of ignore some of your lowered cleave damage with brutal momentum

[digital gazelle]

Hadron pls dont fuck me

[mystic belfry]

Oh don't worry

[digital gazelle]

BM 3 WHOOO

[mystic belfry]

he will

[mystic belfry]

Time to see your final blessing

[digital gazelle]

and i can slap power cycler from another sword onto it too

[sharp ember]

gloryhunter to gets hot 4, check in the shooting range if your gun is barely missing any breakpoints to kill on maniacs

[mystic belfry]

Just get hadrin to power cycler on it so you can swap both your perks :v

[digital gazelle]

is there a mod that lets you 'lock' weapons and such

[sharp ember]

upgrading maniac to 25% may be worth it if they currently barely survive

[digital gazelle]

yea, i gotta save up mats again

lol

[mystic belfry]

Always fun

What did it have before unyielding?

[digital gazelle]

groaners and such

[mystic belfry]

Fun

On a side note, vet base kit definitely has the best fashion with the beta helm

[brisk ruin]

ah, the pearl clutcher helmet-

[spark hamlet]

Someone fill me in on the Pearl clutching injoke?

[spark hamlet]

Also 10/10 name

[brisk ruin]

thank you

[placid portal]

Gotta admit the facemask reminds me of the valve source engine mercs

[mystic belfry]

Balaclava's usually look great

Peak soldier aesthetic

[placid portal]

Dont like em ruining ma stache

[cursive goblet]

Thanks, I switched gloryhunter. I think I'm good on the maniacs

[gleaming turtle]

Someone put their foot in their mouth.

[mystic belfry]

I assume by pearl clutcher they mean not buying cosmetics

[cursive goblet]

The extra damage to unarmored enemies is pretty much useless right?

[mystic belfry]

Otherwise no clue

[gleaming turtle]

It has nothing to do with that

Someone said something that made a lot of people mad and used the term "pearl clutching" when they did.

[placid portal]

Zamn

Must be sailor

[sharp ember]

it actually should let you get 1 headshots on dreg gunners but that's all

[mystic belfry]

That explains nothing but thanks I guess

[cursive goblet]

Ah, I guess thats worth something

[sharp ember]

you may switch it to a more common/important enemy if desired

[spark hamlet]

Oh was it fat shark describing community sentiment as pearl clutching?

[brisk ruin]

Not FS, a former community manager

[gleaming turtle]

Yes

That is FS, lol. CM's are employees.

[sharp ember]

flak like usual, or unyielding to save ammo on blasting bosses and unarmored ogryn flesh

[mystic belfry]

Definitly a pearl clutcher with the price of cosmetics in gaming today

[cursive goblet]

Do you know what the "volatile" blessing does? Or is there somewhere I can see all the potential blessings? Someone earlier was telling me I would want it for plasma

[mystic belfry]

Absolutely fuck the prices every game with buyable cosmetics asks for, including dark tide

Buy one set for each toon and you've basically bought the game twice

[brisk ruin]

Blaze Away and Gets hot are what you want

[gleaming turtle]

Ehhhh, Blaze Away is still bugged

[sharp ember]

i currently do not recommend volatile, it's supposed to speed up charge rate and therefore firerate on your gun, but apparently it isn't working on normal shots

it felt like it didn't when i tested it

[cursive goblet]

Ah, ok.

I appreciate the help

[sharp ember]

how so? it has been functional in the past

[spark hamlet]

Wasn’t your pfp a wine bottle a moment ago

[gleaming turtle]

It doesn't stack correctly/at all a lot of the time. It's a known bug. I use the hotbar mod, so I can see it not stacking or just dropping off after two stacks all the time.

[brisk ruin]

Yes

[sharp ember]

interesting, i will keep an eye on that next time i use mine

[gleaming turtle]

It's why I went with the Brittleness blessing because that one works as described and other people on your team benefit from you hitting targets with it.

It'll still stack to 5, but I noticed it'll only do it like a third of the time, perhaps less.

I just can't be bothered until they fix it.

[sharp ember]

probably they need to improve the chained shot detection

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah

I suspect it's got something weird to do with the bizarre charge rate damage thing

[karmic musk]

They be picking them off the streets with their quality so far

[gleaming turtle]

The Plasma Gun's coding is prolly a rat's nest.

[still pollen]

what's the best headhunter autogun currently?

[gleaming turtle]

VII

[karmic musk]

Think its the single shot VII

[gleaming turtle]

VII is functionally a better XII, IMO.

Longer range, more accuracy. Only real downside is that it's terrible when you aren't ADS.

[gusty bison]

Depends. Are u planning to go for headshots near exclusively

Or do u wanna actually have half decent bodyshots

Vraks 7 is amazing when it hits heads, and utter garbage when it doesnt

Vraks 3 is the spamfire gun that works on bodyshots

And has a nice boost when headshotting at close-mid range

[karmic musk]

Vraks 7 with autofire mod, ez

[gusty bison]

Nah the issue is you deal like

2k damage on a headshot crit

200 on a body

Thats not an exaggeration

[gleaming turtle]

^

It's really terrible if you aren't ADS because of that

If you don't want to click on heads or can't, then I would just use the Agrip I Infantry Autogun, tbh.

[gusty bison]

You literally have better dps by shooting 1 crit headshot every 2 seconds than spamming bodyshots at full rof

[gleaming turtle]

Or the Mk. 5 if you just wanna run and gun

[gusty bison]

The IAGs are also headshot guns tbh

Its the braced that gets away with body spamming

[still pollen]

ok, so what kind of perks and blessings should I look out for headhunter autoguns?

[gusty bison]

Which headhunter

Its different for different HHs due to different playstyles

[midnight mortar]

One particular ex-CM made this comment in regards to people having complaints about the Xbox Imperial Edition purchasers receiving 14,000 Aquilas with their purchase compared to those on PC who only received 2,500 back when the game launched. #general-chat message

[still pollen]

vraks 7 & 3? i wanna try them both

[gusty bison]

Vraks 7 wants Deadly Accurate and Surgical

Vraks 3 wants uhhh

Headhunter and No respite

[glacial peak]

ok i get the power sword hype now

[placid portal]

Nice

[glacial peak]

is there ever a reason to heavy or do you just empower and do 3 lights every time?

[gusty bison]

On the mk 6? Not really

[glacial peak]

yeah ok

[gusty bison]

Theres a combo i think vs elites that mixes in a heavy

But like

[rigid pilot]

Push attack tho

[gusty bison]

Its weird

[glacial peak]

push stab is cool

i like it

[karmic musk]

PAtk -> Light -> Heavy

[gusty bison]

Iirc its a Pattack strikedown into heavy

[still pollen]

ok, what about perks?

[placid portal]

Push attack light really kills it

[gusty bison]

Depends if ur running deadshot

Otherwise check ur breakpoints

[glacial peak]

it literally feels like you turn off mass with normal hordes its actually nuts

[rigid pilot]

Headhunter still needs 2 headshots for both gunners

[gusty bison]

Usually iirc its Unyielding + Maniac for V7

[rigid pilot]

But with perks might be 1 headshot 1 bodyshot

[gusty bison]

But you might need flak if ur roll is particularly bad.

[midnight mortar]

Welcome to power swords.

[rigid pilot]

Or unarmored

[gusty bison]

Its a clean 1 tap head with deadly acc

[still pollen]

ok thanks, I'll try and see

[rigid pilot]

Yea but if it crits

[gusty bison]

It always crits

:P

Surgical

[placid portal]

No crits? What is this deadshotless gaming

[rigid pilot]

How long is the surgical on HH

[placid portal]

.2

[rigid pilot]

On kickback it's 2 seconds

I think on revolvers it's slightly slower

[placid portal]

Per stack

Revolvers is .3s per stack

[rigid pilot]

2 seconds doesn't seem so bad yea

But revolver only needs 7 stacks or 5 stacks with deadshot

[placid portal]

Nah you build crits and let loose

[rigid pilot]

Because crit bonus

[spark hamlet]

Ahhhh - cheers

[gusty bison]

Throw deadshot on top of it and with some other innate stuff u can get it down to about 1.2s for a guarantees crit

[placid portal]

Vet has 10% passive crit

[gusty bison]

Which is plenty of time to comfy aim

[gusty bison]

5%

But ye

[placid portal]

Oh

Did they remove it?

[rigid pilot]

Nerfed

[gusty bison]

It became a node

[rigid pilot]

Psykers now 7.5%

[placid portal]

Xp

Welp

30% with dedshot

[gusty bison]

But like its still 30% base crit

[rigid pilot]

Headhunter I think 5% passive too?

[gusty bison]

35%

So like

1.2s gets u to 95% crit chance

Which is plenty fast

[rigid pilot]

Yea doesn't seem that bad

[placid portal]

Apparently revolver had -2% crit

[gusty bison]

Its why its actually more dps to take ur time to aim with HH V7 than spamming bodysbots

5 seconds of spamming gets u the same damage as 1 second of aiming lel

[rigid pilot]

It's like bolter surgical too

[gusty bison]

Yep

[placid portal]

Who dont pop headshotd only

[gusty bison]

Bolter Id like to call it a lazy man's V7

Cos bolter can bodyshot fine

[rigid pilot]

New standing keystone with surgical

[gusty bison]

As long as u wait for the crit

But yea every time i watch someone spam a bolter or V7 i die a little inside

You get more deeps not spamming lel

[rigid pilot]

They might not even have surgical

Opening salvo

[gusty bison]

Some still run shattering impact

On bolter

Crongle

[rigid pilot]

I don't think it gives any breakpoint

[rigid pilot]

I do for my boss killer bolter

[gusty bison]

OS gets you to the 1 tap headshot on dreg gunners withour crit

[rigid pilot]

The most cringe bolter

[gusty bison]

But like

[rigid pilot]

Cavalcade shattering

[frank ether]

not like its good for anything else

[gusty bison]

CRONGLE

[gusty bison]

Its good for relaxing

[rigid pilot]

It does kill bosses the fastest tho

[frank ether]

Idk I feel like iags are pretty relax

by virtue of being accurate full auto guns

[gusty bison]

Many people still have issues with the recoil on IAGs and prefer to bodyshot spam

Brauto is literally no aim needed

[frank ether]

well it has zero skill ceiling for aiming

which is fine for hipfire mode

[gusty bison]

Mhm

IAGs also have an insane skill ceiling

Which also makes them sweaty guns tbf xD

[placid portal]

Iags are fun

I tried it in patch 12

Fell in liking of it

[gusty bison]

IAGs having a 2.7x finesse mult always confused me

XD

[placid portal]

Gotta blow up skulls

[trim steppe]

Playing with a bunch of randos in a damnation HIST, bad news is we lost, good news is I got to farm 5 rescues off it 🤌✨

[placid portal]

Lol

I am just a streak of bad luck

[hollow turtle]

Even with full auto mod, that hurts the finger.

[trim steppe]

Almost beat out the kickback ogryn, nice

[hollow turtle]

I had fun there. They were my tanks while I just stood on a platform and shot every gunner coming their way. Though I see the importance of the stun immunity passive now.

[pearl granite]

Btw, can orgyn shield and psyker blue barrier block sniper bullet?

[hollow turtle]

Psyker barrier yes.

Ogryn shield only on special use

[pearl granite]

When hold down rmb?

[hollow turtle]

Yeah

No. Not RMB

Sorry, the special action key

[pearl granite]

I see, thanks

[hollow turtle]

RMB will negate some, but you'll still take health damage.

[sharp ember]

unless this was changed, the ogryn doesn't get hurt but people behind the ogryn still do

[junior needle]

How come when I use the Columnus IAG in the psyk, the recoil is fine and perfectly manageable, but when I get in game, it becomes drastically worse?

It doesn’t make sense to me

[hollow turtle]

Combat stress maybe?

[gusty bison]

When moving the recoil is much worse