veteran-class

[mystic belfry]

Nope

[hybrid river]

There are grenade launchers for guardsmen that are like m32s on crack but we won’t get them for balance reasons

[mystic belfry]

Nuhuh, no such thing

[restive mountain]

When you say balance reasons

[frank ledge]

Even necromunda underhivers have them

[mystic belfry]

They could add them if they wanted to

[frank ledge]

lol

[restive mountain]

You mean they don't want us having fun

I mean there's alot of shit that we have in the modern day that exist in 40k

[hybrid river]

Balance reasons as in they wouldn’t feel good unless they made the rumbler obsolete

[frank ledge]

Yes, same reason we don't have primitive hiver weapons, like a preassure cooker grenade

Or a pipebomb

[restive mountain]

I mean yeah

Why shoot one nade

[mystic belfry]

Not really? Just have it on different classes with different styles of balance

[restive mountain]

When I can shoot 6 in rapid succession

The only thing you can balance on it is damage

[frank ledge]

Could be gg for vet

[mystic belfry]

Obviously if you have a cylinder of six nades, they'll be worse than one shot

[frank ledge]

Mostly single target

with only aoe cc

with special maybe loading some special shot, like buckshot or incendiary

[restive mountain]

I mean lets not forget

The guard also has missle launchers

But I mean

Would they really give us a missle launcher

[mystic belfry]

One shot disposable :v

[gilded rock]

Hello Inquisition, I can be trusted with high explosive firearms.

[restive mountain]

I'm gonna let you in on a secret

There's portraits for a supposed continued story within the inquisition

If they'll ever be used

Who knows.

[mystic belfry]

Tbh no matter what explosives you get, it won't be as intimidating as looking down a barrel you could fit your leg in when an ogryn points a kickback at you

[restive mountain]

I mean you say that right

Then realize Kraks exist.

Something that fits in the palm of a normal human's hand

Can bust open tanks

But speaking of armor

We should protest until Vet gets a Carapace armor cosmetic set

[hybrid river]

We already have a few

Couple recolors of bootleg kasrkin armor

As well as some carapace helmets

[restive mountain]

I mean yeah there's that right

[gilded rock]

I asked my 40k fan friends why everyone pisses themselves about LE LEMAN RUSS and was called a hater, so out of genuine curiosity why do people love those pug-looking tanks so much?

[restive mountain]

But FS classifies those

As "Heavy flak"

And not Carapace

[acoustic wyvern]

its a cute and chubby tank with firepower why not

[mystic belfry]

Not going to buy any of the cosmetics for the prices they're asking regardless ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[restive mountain]

Well the ones on Atoma aren't regular Leman Russ tanks

[gilded rock]

As long as there's no health problems because of said stature like its dog counterpart, good for it

[hybrid river]

Well at least a backpack for a tempestus scions set was found in the files so hopefully we get that sooner rather than later

[acoustic wyvern]

how much does a set costs there?

[restive mountain]

Atoma is important cause the metal used there is E X T R A special

So those Atoman tanks are tankier than normal tanks

Cause of the metal they're made from

[acoustic wyvern]

if you want a meaner tank then look no further, the baneblade is here

[restive mountain]

Maybe

I mean check this shit out right

[umbral scaffold]

Ayo

[restive mountain]

Howlette is a rogue trader who's selling clothes from either dead soldiers/officers

Or stolen uniforms

Why can't Howlette find some stolen Imperium general coats

Wait...

She did...

[fathom edge]

power cycler t4 grind is real :/

[restive mountain]

And they look like shit

[hybrid river]

I just hope that if she ever finds scions gear she also finds some tempestor prime coats as well

[gilded rock]

I was just set off because I did that one mission where the Leman Russes are at the start of the mission one too many times and a veteran, every single time, would talk about the damn things

[restive mountain]

I mean she found a Cadian officer outfit

You guys haven't seen it yet

I have

And it looks awful

It's a leather blazer

Like shit brown leather

With a green cadian flak armor underneath

[spark arrow]

do we have a screenshot of the new vet trees anywhere? not the keystones but the actual layout? im more interested in how many points we save than anything

[restive mountain]

And the gloves are from the MESC outfit

[spark arrow]

2 or 3 more points not wasted on filler alone is pretty huge

[gilded rock]

Me being one point away from a very beneficial perk is quite sad

[hybrid river]

No, people have just been guessing from what little we can see from the trailer

[spark arrow]

we can see from the keystone images on the darktide subreddit that theres some tree compression. like here. for the emperor is where toughness regen used to be

[silver rover]

is the scavenger penance - resupply allies - bugged?

[hybrid river]

Yes

[spark arrow]

and here just from the layout one set of damage boosts is just gone im assuming its just the toughness node then a split into desperado/skirmisher

[silver rover]

ty

[restive mountain]

One day boys

One day

[spark arrow]

this is the funky one though, that looks like superiority complex near the bottom of the marksman tree. with always prepared way higher up.

[merry oak]

Sadge moment when I have to work my build, again.

[restive mountain]

I mean it ain't that bad

Until we get full view of how they re-organized the tree

[spark arrow]

things looks like theyre being moved around. i wonder whats going to happen to shock trooper and onslaught becuase those are both really really strong. rending weapons looks like its going to stay roughly where it is

[zealous wyvern]

one day you can look like that too

never give up

[spark arrow]

i think we're going to lose a few +%damage nodes though

and those are going to be made up for by the keystones

[frank ledge]

they may just put them on top of existing ones

[restive mountain]

I will live to see the day we get a heavy armor set and a proper over the shoulder coat officer outfit

For Vet

[frank ledge]

like Ogryn having 25 and 15 toughness nodes

[restive mountain]

I mean if we left it up to the community, it'd have been done in a month or two.

But we're working on FS time.

[gilded rock]

For the Emperor would seem so much more correct being in the same line as the melee/ranged buff duo keystone

That's a weird choice to me

[spark arrow]

im very curious if this tree rework ends up being a very slight nerf/ total sidegrade

2/3 keystones dont look appealing to me at all

[gilded rock]

The melee-ranged duo looks like absolutely the most fun, and then the focus seems... okay. But not my kinda thing. Then the tag one just straight up nerfs you if you dare communicate with your team outside of voice

Or if you ping for better visibility, bye bye stacks

[grand sable]

what should I replace elite melee damage with and
should I look to get mercy killer or some rending blessing to replace lacerate?

[spark arrow]

100% id argue its the only real option (without being able to see the additional keystone modifiers)

[hybrid river]

It doesn’t nerf you, it straight up buffs you but adds opportunity cost to your tags

[delicate moat]

why is t3 wrath 90% of the PS I craft

[serene sage]

clealy skill issue

[gilded rock]

A sniper on the other side of the map that is a threat right this second, but is also a bit hidden, forces you to decide if you want to play selfishly and force your teammates to deal with it or take it on the chin

[delicate moat]

i must have gone through like 30 PS at this point

[gilded rock]

You are infact nerfed compared to the other two keystones at that point, but the opportunity cost is what I meant

[spark arrow]

looks like were losing 5% nodes if you look at the tree shape in the images. focus target is probably designed to make that back up in a falvorful way

[delicate moat]

i can build a house with all the bricks

[gilded rock]

practically nerfed, I should say

[hybrid river]

Idk, everyone who complains about the tagging keystone sounds to me like they never played whc

[frank ledge]

Bigger issue is the tree shape... it's shit

[hybrid river]

Worked perfectly fine and in that game you had a built in cooldown to tags

[gilded rock]

WHC?

[hybrid river]

Witch hunter captain

[grand sable]

[trail topaz]

whats the dump stat on the plasma gun

[gilded rock]

Ohh from VT2 yeah true, but the cooldown is much shorter in that game than it would be to wait for most of your stacks again in this version of it

So to get the same value as the short cooldown ping in VT2 on WH, you need to wait 12 seconds

Granted the buff ceiling is higher, but the availability being a longer requirement makes it a bit worse imo*

[hybrid river]

I wouldn’t start comparing the damage rewards for it until we see the modifier nodes for it

[gilded rock]

Fair point

Another thing to think about is how much more ranged-oriented Darktide is than VT2, so even more tags

[hybrid river]

Honestly could end up with something that gives you stacks when a marked enemy dies

[gilded rock]

But that's semantics

[gilded rock]

That would be cool tbh

[hybrid river]

That would justify it being a stack system instead of a cooldown

[chilly cobalt]

I will be remembered as a CAYDEEUHN vet main who brought hellguns for his brothas

[bright fjord]

is the Achlys axe any good for vet?

[chilly cobalt]

Is it tactical or combat

[trim steppe]

I haven't used it but word is its fine, its the least used combat axe but they are all good

[bright fjord]

combat, with brutal momentum

[chilly cobalt]

It's ok but don't expect much of it

[south spindle]

Very single target orientated

If you like that style of play, you'll probably enjoy it, but its horde clear is glacial

[wispy oyster]

Do we know which Vet talents have been deleted to make room for the keystones yet?

[tranquil socket]

Is this thing worth getting?

[umbral scaffold]

no

stopping power way too low

[sharp epoch]

bro kept dying

[winter dock]

So I've run into an issue repeatedly now- it's existed since even before update 13, but has only gotten worse with the update

[languid escarp]

Average heretic

[pine snow]

Valid reason tbh

[delicate moat]

whew lights out with silent maulers is really spicy

[pine snow]

Got a bit too excited by the killing

[languid escarp]

Tempted by Slaanesh demonettes

[winter dock]

The Kant 12 hits like a freight train, fires decently fast, overall its great

On paper.

But when I actually use it? I just can't get anything done. It feels like, despite the fact that its onetapping most things to the face (excepting really high health or heavily armored targets), it just... doesn't do anything? I wondered at first why this was- why I couldn't get similar performance from it as I could from, say, a Vrak VII semi-auto which is pretty much the same "type" of weapon; it just fires faster and kicks harder, and has harsher damage falloff.

So far, the only thing I can really figure out is this:

The Kant 12 has ridiculously strong suppression. Like, I fire it once and any enemy within several meters of wherever I shot will instantly duck down or hide behind cover for well well well well over the 5 seconds that Exe stance lasts. This makes it excruciatingly difficult to not only kill any significant number of enemies at all, but more importantly to keep exe stance going in anything but the fattest of rooms where shooters/elites/specials literally cannot find cover to hide in and will just cower in place in the open. It's kind of dumb- it feels like any time I lose exe stance, its a decent 80% chance that it was for this reason alone and pretty much nothing else. There's of course times where a particular enemy doesn't die to the last shot before reload is forced because I flubbed a headshot (if I actually aim correctly, every shot will kill except on flamers/ragers/mutie/carapace) or because I got stunned or was forced to swap to melee or some ogryn or other overly enthusiatic ally who distinctly does not need to worry about having their shots eaten by their teammates stands in front of me and eats my shots or there simply not being any enemies left. But the VAST majority of the time, its because I shot and killed an enemy- then every other enemy in the entire god damn room decided to take a 5-6 second break from standing.

Its fucking infuriating and there doesnt seem to be any way around it

does anyone know a way to deal with cowardly enemies using the Kant 12? None of the other guns have this issue- they just don't apply nearly as much suppression (or in nearly so large a radius)

Even the fucking bolter doesn't do it this badly, which is honestly astonishing

[languid escarp]

I can't hit anything with the holosight in any game that has it

[near wyvern]

My solution is simple

Use a different weapon

[frank ledge]

[winter dock]

ohk see but the question I asked is a solution using the kant 12. Obviously I do not have this problem with other guns, as stated.

[frank ledge]

use mods to remove it

[winter dock]

That's a gameplay affecting mod, and is probably bannable

[near wyvern]

How many suppression-related talents do you have?

Because it might not even be a gun issue, but a build issue

[winter dock]

0

Literally I can switch, same talents, to any other las weapon

No problems at all

[zealous wyvern]

weapon modification is fine and not bannable

i do not know if iron sights are an option though for guns that do not have them by default

all i ever heard is adding sights

not taking them away

[winter dock]

Not mods that affect gameplay for other players- such as changing the actual stats on the weapon, which changing how much suppression it applies would be

Ah you meant for the holosight issue.

[zealous wyvern]

i think he meant the sight

[south spindle]

They are

[zealous wyvern]

have you truly tried getting used to the weapon?

like

playing 2 days in a row with just that

[winter dock]

There's the Weapon Customization mod- you can change the sights and various other cosmetic things for every gun in the game. It also lets you add/remvoe flashlights and stuff which Fatshark seems content with

and yes, asa I've said I've played with it since before patch 13

and many times after

[pine snow]

Idk kant 12 felt pretty good but I haven’t used it since the patch that made plasma be a nucleae bomb

[zealous wyvern]

i meant in a row but from your answer now i assume yes you have

[near wyvern]

I never liked the kant 12

[south spindle]

There isnt a real reason to use the XII over the 1a now imo

[languid escarp]

could it remove muzzle flash as well

[winter dock]

it was my go-to pre-13, but the problem wasn't nearly so prevalent. I think 13 increased how much suppression gets applied

[zealous wyvern]

i cannot for the life of me get good at using MG lasguns

too slow

too clunky

[winter dock]

Not that I know of

[pine snow]

Is 1a the better option now?

[languid escarp]

damn

[zealous wyvern]

i know they are good but never work for me

[south spindle]

Less single shot damage, significantly better DPS

[near wyvern]

That's a "videogame graphics settings" issue

[winter dock]

Sort of yes sort of no. The 1a has better overall damage within any given timeframe. But the Kant 12 hits alot harder- especially on weakspot crits. It's really good at onetapping things and is thus also much more ammo efficient

[wanton dawn]

While i haven't play the gun in ages, i remember the Mg12 as a slow firing weakspot fishing weapon with a surprisingly high kick, low pen, low carapace dmg, low agility & terrible under pressure.

[near wyvern]

I've witnessed too many mg12 vets dying because of that last one

Always fun

[winter dock]

Its not terrible into carapace if you bring headhunter, it can consistently get the crit and it only needs like 2 or 3 to kills a crusher

it wont do well into hordes yeah, just bring a shovel for that

[wanton dawn]

Or you take any weapon that can 2-3 tap crusher without crit. Or weakspot

[queen fox]

do we know when the update is coming out?

[winter dock]

It would do alot better into groups of shooters if it didn't have the aforementioned "Forces enemies to willingly retire from service" problem

[queen fox]

next week?

[winter dock]

no clue

[near wyvern]

One would assume the last week of november

Seeing as it's an "anniversary" update

And the game came out right on the 30th

[wanton dawn]

Imo the lasgun family rely way, way too much on weakspot hitting to be viable in practice.

[amber portal]

is it me or does the vet keystones have to many conditions?

[near wyvern]

I personally just like the funny flashlight dmr

[near wyvern]

Just you, I think. Psyker's warp siphon got like 5

[amber portal]

yeah true but the other 2 are pretty simple

[near wyvern]

And some others I'm forgetting because it's been a week since I played

And I play pretty much strictly vet

[wanton dawn]

Left keystone is another attempt at stopping vet from moving, middle just has a crap uptime, right is, surprisingly, the most straightforward

[amber portal]

i think i read that left keystone and was like wtf is this

[old quail]

we can't determine too much from vet keystones until we see the upgrades and discern how the tooltips are lying to us

tbf

[near wyvern]

Ditto

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, need to see the taxe nodes

V2

[amber portal]

poor taxe

[old quail]

the agile engagement style one looks cool at least

[near wyvern]

Ye

[amber portal]

old bm really carried the axes imo

[frank ledge]

we don't know modifiers
but the keystone alone will encourage more potatoes to always lag behind by not sprinting

and veteran tree shape remains the worst

If fatshark doesn't rework how our nodes connect, we'll be stuck in this hell of been hard to mix and match trees

[wanton dawn]

If i learned anything from pinning fire is that stuff is either understandably good or bad from tooltip, or has bugged/unintended properties that will be corrected under "bug" section 3 patch later

[frank ledge]

Like enfeeble, which hasn't been patched

[wanton dawn]

Like tinkerer, handcannon 🤷

Or in the other direction, born leader

I am never not bullying this node

Or exil takedown, which is both bad from tooltip and worse in practice

[dusty ferry]

I wonder, with the gun melee keystone coming, are they removing agile engagement

[wanton dawn]

Maybe, though agile engagement is arguably better than keystone. My guess is that they moved it in keystone support node

[dusty ferry]

Hopefully it would be part of the keystone talent nodes, it has been a staple in my builds and it would suck to lose it

[zealous wyvern]

i hope agile gets a slight change to its effect

instead of buffing other weapon, it should buff ranged or melee respectively

that way bayonets can benefit

[wanton dawn]

Hey, don't think fatshark will be buffing vet with this rework

[dusty ferry]

^

Expect unintended effects tho

[wanton dawn]

50% we become worst class by far, 40% best class by far, 10% rework is cancelled

[dusty ferry]

100% we are still in pain

[wanton dawn]

Also we will probably get 2 shot by everything

Again

[dusty ferry]

[gritty dock]

Why is Stopping Power so important in Plasma Gun and is 66% enough?

[umbral scaffold]

stopping power increases damage vs armoured units

[gritty dock]

thx

[wanton dawn]

Stopping power is important on all gun that has it

It is basically a 2nd damage stats

[narrow dock]

huh i didn't rly checked that stat, thought it's about microstuns/interruptions/knockdowns on hit

[gritty dock]

Is Stopping Power of 66% sufficient with this type of structure or should I look for another unit?

[raw birch]

im abit late since i just saw the update did vets litterally get saltzpyres witch hunter passive?

[south spindle]

The plugin done or you one of the beta-testers?

[pulsar drift]

Idk I just download it from the discord

And apparently it had something new

But damn these customization look so great

[chilly cobalt]

Holy shit, seems they listened to long las copers too

[urban steppe]

what you mean ? 🤔 you can download lasted version and enjoy but maybe will be some crashes depends on your combination of weapon

[broken spade]

man i wish weapon customization was actually part of the game

[urban steppe]

im a be sniper

[amber portal]

is there actually scope changes or no?

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[chilly cobalt]

How does it look like when ADS

[amber portal]

no more iron sights?!

[broken spade]

thinking of getting the mod but i feel like it would bother me that other people aren't seeing what i'm seeing

[amber portal]

the scope alone would be worth

[chilly cobalt]

I'll put it on my boltgun

[wanton dawn]

I mean, do you ever notice other ppl weapon skin outsidz of elevator ?

[narrow dock]

actually important questions

can u put a scopes on Plasma/Bolter

and if those are usable

[south spindle]

Ahh yeah nah i found it, plugin has been released

[narrow dock]

and more important question, y it ain't in vanila?

[chilly cobalt]

I think not for plasma since it doesn't have ADS option

[narrow dock]

when realizations kicks in :D

happens m8

[chilly cobalt]

True

[narrow dock]

sad ngl, since plasma is actually p accurate, but for some reason u can't use even irons on it (tho it have it)
so sniping shit from afar sucks

unless u have overlay dot

[broken spade]

wait does plasma not have a dot by default?

I cant remember if i changed my crosshair or not

[placid portal]

Plasma aim reticle is a 4 dots

[past knot]

weapon customization safe to use right?

[broken spade]

oh

[placid portal]

But just think your shots are in the middle

[placid portal]

Don't switch the receiver for teh Plasmagun. it will CRASH

[broken spade]

i have my plasma crosshair changed to the psyker staff crosshair with crosshair remap mod

[placid portal]

Except that it's safe

[past knot]

i didnt even check plasma and now i wanna use

[wanton dawn]

As safe as any unofficial resources can be

[narrow dock]

by default it's super crappy

[broken spade]

fun fact, plasma's charging is actually compatible with the charge indicator from staff crosshair

like it just works

[past knot]

[placid portal]

Simply do not believe in reticle

[narrow dock]

good luck sniping snipers with it

[bold geyser]

Looks identical to the game version

[placid portal]

Faith in Empra >>>>>>> Faith in Sights

[wanton dawn]

Never trust a dev that tell you that smth is safe

[past knot]

sir faith is good but guns help too

[narrow dock]

p sure guy who made plasma, made reticle for her just like me in paint&snip ffs

[placid portal]

You only need faith to hit with guns

[narrow dock]

[narrow dock]

bro, we're humans, not orks

[bold geyser]

Close your eyes. Spin in a circle and shout the emperor guides my hand. If you happen to hit a friendly it was the emperor giving you a sign

[placid portal]

Nah

Orks is only dakka

[narrow dock]

go pray to ur gork and mork somewhere else

[past knot]

well there hasnt been any statemnet rgegarding it right?

[placid portal]

Empra gives our shots guidance

[wanton dawn]

But yeah, worse thing weapon custom could do is crash your game

[placid portal]

If you miss Empra is not pleased, if you hit, empra guides you

[wanton dawn]

You wont get bznned by the shark

[past knot]

nice than im safe tll they say so

[wanton dawn]

Mod policy is "do whatever until it affect other ppl experience"

[past knot]

only i can see all teh modifications to the weapon right?

[bold geyser]

It’s a hive city. Just shoot in a general direction and you’ll probably hit someone

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[placid portal]

🥂

[narrow dock]

fatsharks doesn't clap ur arse for using mods, they just like
"don't ruin other peeps exp and if u have problems with game, that your problem, cuz u moded it"

[past knot]

is it still alriht if it changes weapon special? like flashlight on revo;lver?

[past knot]

fair enough reason tbh

[wanton dawn]

You cant in public game. Maybe possible in private

Probably need self hosting

[past knot]

does it auto get auto default?

[wanton dawn]

I dunno i dont use it

[narrow dock]

vermin have 2 realms tho
one official, where u can use aproved mods which doesn't change game balance, and other one is modded realm, where u can go wack

[past knot]

imagine if we had it here

[narrow dock]

in couple years will be

[past knot]

but oh well i wont change special just in case

[past knot]

yeah doubt it

am i safe to change the apperance of melee?

[placid portal]

ye

[past knot]

gg

[narrow dock]

nah rly, Vermin 2 became rly good and fun, esp when they released chaos wastes

it was after 3 years after release

i'm expecting same ish developement cycle for Darktide

[past knot]

i really hope youre right cause thatd be awesome

[dusty ferry]

Vermintide 2 is peak awesome

[narrow dock]

it's just 1st anniversary, by 3rd one, we gonna be playing complitelly different game

[past knot]

true that

[dusty ferry]

hope Darktide becomes peak awesome soonish

Soonish as in a few years

[broken spade]

chaos wastes in darktide when?

[wanton dawn]

Well, first we get carnival. Meaning clown fiesta is incoming 🤡

[narrow dock]

i like ppl here were "It's fatshark, they slow, 'soon' means never"
and it just took 1 month for them to bring keystones for vets xd

peeps apparently dunno whats 'soom tm' rly means, they gotta check out warframe and their dev cycle, where it took them 3 years to make a quest 3 hours long

[dusty ferry]

Clown costume accessories when

[narrow dock]

when we will get a game about Eldars slashing through hordes of tyranids idk

[topaz lance]

Whats the issue with it?

[wanton dawn]

It increases dmg received instead of decreasing it

[topaz lance]

😄

what the hell

hope they'll fix this

not that I'm using it

[wanton dawn]

You know what is funnier ? Practically no one noticed it until recently

[past knot]

wait what talent?

[trim steppe]

Exhilarating Takedown

[past knot]

ffs

[wanton dawn]

I know why i did not notice : i never ever take it

[topaz lance]

With the nodes being reshuffled I was thinking about picking it up if it is placed conveniently

[trim steppe]

I liked taking it to go down the left since I dont like Deadshot

[past knot]

i was using it for 2 weeks now

in damnation

[rotund pasture]

do I swap raking fire for Powderburn 4 or Cavalcade 4?

[topaz lance]

Yo does 50 mob give youthe maximum amount of dodges with this one?

[dusty ferry]

You should replace Ius with Sus

[wanton dawn]

If i wanted weakspot on plasma id still take deadshot

That's how bad i think exil is

[rotund pasture]

nah, gives 3 where 4 is the max

but i'll survive

[past knot]

any other talent bugged aside takedown?

[trim steppe]

On plasma ya because you dont have an ADS to drain stamina

[topaz lance]

damn, so you need about 53% then, thanks!

[rotund pasture]

doesn't deadshot not work on plasma

[wanton dawn]

Tinkerer give you stun immunity

[wanton dawn]

It doesnt indeed

[trim steppe]

Countless tbh lol. Theres a bunch that dont work or do weird shit

[past knot]

damn
i know what imma get now

[trim steppe]

Indeed deadshot does nothing with plasma

[topaz lance]

left tree keystone seems custom made for autoguns honestly (except the braced ones)

[past knot]

therse some that dont work?

[wanton dawn]

Left tree is the jankiest tree

It has 0 synergy with itself

[topaz lance]

like the left keystone is kinda useless on any really high damage weapon, shotties seem weird with it, pistols too

[trim steppe]

Yeah like Duellist for the zealot, it says you get a bunch of weakspot damage on dodge but it literally never activates

[topaz lance]

maybe some las guns like it

recom

*n

[wanton dawn]

The weapon that benefit the most from left tree is bolter

[past knot]

middle tre for life never gonna respec that

[dusty ferry]

Left tree screams "Lasgun"

[halcyon pivot]

get brittle

[dusty ferry]

[past knot]

IT DOESNT?

[halcyon pivot]

minus armor blessing related

[wanton dawn]

It has 1 support node technically

[past knot]

man at this point why did i even spend point oin tree

[topaz lance]

You think the keystone too?
Seems a bit of an overkill with the added damage

[dusty ferry]

Oh ye it does but that whole tree is like you go range and I just.. eh

Lasgun range is all I can think of when seeing that tree

[wanton dawn]

Not talking next patch

[fleet drift]

Have just got this sexy boy

[topaz lance]

ah got it

[fleet drift]

hopefully I get good perk on it

[dusty ferry]

Now see if the blessings are blessed

[past knot]

you shouldn have said that now its jinxed

[dusty ferry]

[halcyon pivot]

[fleet drift]

got shit Blessing but Okay Perk

[topaz lance]

Gonna try the left node with my Vraks VII HH. Also gonna look into revolver with the left tree keystone.

[polar kraken]

uhmm

About the new vet keystones

[wanton dawn]

Left middle right

[halcyon pivot]

left keystone require standing still or losing stacks

[sinful cave]

ehhhh

kinda not really

[polar kraken]

Do we know if they’re just simply adding new keystones or the whole skill tree’s gonna get reworked

[sinful cave]

dink a head and get 3 seconds of free movement i think it says

[halcyon pivot]

well fresh revert

[wanton dawn]

Need rework to have point for keystone

[pulsar drift]

But from what I can tell

They kinda moved things around

[sinful cave]

it kinda looks like there just slapping keystones at the bottom of the trees sadly just based off this image

oh u just posted all 3 ffs

[pulsar drift]

Looks like that elite dmg goes to left

[wanton dawn]

Isnt it ogryn dmg ,

[dusty ferry]

Elites yes

[polar kraken]

make sense

[topaz lance]

You can already see that they removed some tax nodes and shuffled things around

[dusty ferry]

and ogryns and monstrosities

[topaz lance]

dunno why people keep saying the tree is the same

[sinful cave]

weapons specialist just seems like a no brainer no?

[topaz lance]

when it literally is not even in the screen

[wanton dawn]

It is the less constraining one

No complicated interaction

[sinful cave]

im also just convinced its worded wrong

33% crit chance per stack?

10 stacks??

[topaz lance]

I think what they will end up doing is removing 6 tiny nodes from the bottom

[wanton dawn]

Vet nerfed ???

[topaz lance]

that would make the vet tree still have the most of them tied with Ogryn

[fathom grail]

Would be amazing if they meant speed

Woooooosh

[sinful cave]

yknow the marksman focus tree sounds so annoying at first but... it doesnt mention a cap? so i could just spray into a horde and get like 60 stacks?

theoretically

[wanton dawn]

As long as we get to choose between deadshot and exil, vet will be fiiiine

[noble onyx]

Inb4 double or triple crits

[sinful cave]

it just cant be worded correctly thats an easy 100% crit chance while i full auto a colomnus infatry gun?

no way

do they think its hard 2 stack or something? as if i dont just swing muh power sword twice and its maxed?

[topaz lance]

mark my words, this is what's gonna happen:

or similar

and nodes are shuffled around as in the screenshot

[pulsar drift]

Which is better

At least we can finally get some last nodes

[topaz lance]

I agree

[pulsar drift]

These three last one don’t deserve to be the last on the tree

[wanton dawn]

Right final node is actually a good n easy grab rn

[topaz lance]

I kinda wish they would have thrown us a curveball and made a grenade focussed keystone

for middle or left

since the grenade focus is kind of a vet thing

[wanton dawn]

Assail vet but witg frags

Or kraks mini drone

[sinful cave]

okay but jokes aside

im sure some people love it but can we just get rid of the smoke

i think ive seen it once and it was a massive hinderance to our team

[topaz lance]

Apparently they aren't getting buffed either

[sinful cave]

id love 2 see there use rate rn

[serene sage]

Confirmed Kills being moved to left tree will make vet much harder to play even if damage will be higher

Mark my words

[topaz lance]

Do we know that this is the case?

[serene sage]

The icon for Confirmed Kills is on the upgrade node for the left keystone

[acoustic wyvern]

when the new keystones is in, the talent tree will change.

Mark my words

[topaz lance]

damn that sucks

[past knot]

power sword enegeried light got infnite cleave right?

like its heavy?

[sinful cave]

i dont think either have infinite cleave

the lights stop after like, 1 bruiser lmao

still staggers a few more but might not kill with 1 swing

[white minnow]

psword specials have finite cleave

[past knot]

ah ye i meant how many it can hit

[white minnow]

they used to have infinite cleave like back at launch

[past knot]

oh

[white minnow]

11.7 cleave for special attacks (for both the lights and heavies) with an 80% cleave targets stat

[past knot]

i see

brutal momentum helps the special too?

or do i need sunder

[white minnow]

I personally know that brumo is good, and a lot of people say that sunder is very good as well

[sinful cave]

bm and power cycler are alot of fun and u can still kill crushers ez

[white minnow]

brutal momentum and sunder both have really bad descriptions for them

[gaunt hinge]

Sunder will help you cleave past carapace

[sinful cave]

ive been getting by with power cyle and slaughter

[broken spade]

i remember the days of infinite cleave power sword with 7 powered swings

[past knot]

i already got one with bm so i thought id put power cycler if it works but it seems it does

[white minnow]

what brutal momentum does is to make it so that, on a weakspot kill, the damage of your attack doesn't drop up for up to 4 targets
So, if your attack deals 650 damage to the first target hit, brutal momentum means that you can deal 650 full damage to 4 targets as long as you kill them with a headshot

so pair brumo with mk6 lights and you've got something that will kill groups of bruisers pretty quickly

[sinful cave]

which u should be with the perfect horizontal lights

u beat me 2 it

i kms now

goodbye forever

[white minnow]

TOO SLOW COWBOY

[sinful cave]

[white minnow]

I don't use Sunder personally, but a more accurate description is that it gives 4x cleave and ignores the property of Carapace armour where it stops your cleave immediately even if you have more than enough cleave for a crusher

[sinful cave]

that does sound tempting but i usally make a point of unspawning crushers asap so idk if its needed, since u can just

push stab

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914161923334214/1123609358052376706/yes.gif

[past knot]

ill try that lets see

[past knot]

dont go we still got heretics to kill

[past knot]

wtf

[sinful cave]

average crusher life span

in modern pubs

[past knot]

wait so it stops on carapec? does that mean if i hit a mauker in teh head it tops too?

[past knot]

so true same as how he can one shot us we can too

[white minnow]

without sunder, all attacks with finite cleave will stop when you hit a crusher, regardless of how much cleave your attack has remaining

[fathom edge]

shovels are supposed to be good now right?

[white minnow]

with sunder, it ignores that stopping property and will let your attack cleave more crushers if you have the requisite cleave

[pine snow]

How can i make this better

or should i just yeet it out and strangle hadron

[past knot]

i see i see
hmm the chances of crusher mid horde spam is lower id stick witth bm till i get a sunder than
do mauler heads got same property as crusher sisnce theyre carapece?

[white minnow]

ye

[past knot]

pox walker to flax or maniac id say

[past knot]

sad day innit

[white minnow]

it's raining

[pine snow]

change blessings or keep?

[past knot]

"but i dont see any ra- ah yes its raining"

[past knot]

never used bolter i dont k now

[white minnow]

i was going to say that you would bodyshot maulers with the psword if you don't have sunder, but I also remember that you can probably just dunk on maulers with the mk6 push-attack and l4 followup

[pine snow]

ah fair im still pissed about my other plasma rifle

look what hadron did to it

ffs

[iron marten]

If you run confirmed kill you don’t need gloryhunter

[past knot]

hadron ended this mans career

[chilly cobalt]

Glory hunter to shattering impact

[tropic imp]

Surgical is better, swap gloryhunter

[sharp ember]

gloryhunter to surgical if you want a nice damage boost when using single shots

oop

[iron marten]

4 pings for the man lmao

[pine snow]

lmao

[sharp ember]

we love answering questions

[pine snow]

i love how i got 3 different answers

[past knot]

honestly most maulers are mixed horded and id just bm a zombie and clash through all of them
funny how im doing more dmg to mauer head than body now

[chilly cobalt]

THIS IS MY BOLTER THIS IS MY GUN

[past knot]

true sniper

[iron marten]

I was going to add a 2nd part to my answer but the other two already did

[past knot]

cannon*

[pulsar drift]

Bolter is my waifu just like m1 garand

[past knot]

if only boltor had that ching sound

[iron marten]

I mean, the gas like exhaust sound after mag dumping it is pretty satisfying

[dusty nacelle]

Just consecrated my 7th plasma gun and still haven't gotten blaze away FML

[iron marten]

Back to plasteel farming you go!

[broken spade]

ruben!

darktide?

[iron marten]

[still pollen]

What are the best blessings for Kantrael shotgun?

[stuck zenith]

Think one was Full Bore

Can’t remember the other

[strange grove]

maybe no respite

[topaz lance]

With Kantrael, shouldn't you go something like Man-Stopper + Scattershot?

[still pollen]

What about Flechette + Scattershot? Combined with the incendiary rounds sounds like a meme gun

Though I can't seem to find Flechette anywhere

[topaz lance]

It's a bit gimmicky but melts hordes, even mixed ones are toast

[late hatch]

flechette is a t2 blessing iirc

[topaz lance]

to a point

Full Bore + No Respite are the agri slug shotty blessings

[opal obsidian]

Am I the only one who prefer Revolver over Plasma gun ?

Revolver is feel so good to use

[sinful cave]

well for me i love revolver

but i use it on my zealot and psyker

[hexed shell]

should I get that shotgun

[sinful cave]

so i do wacky things on vet

pwasma gwun

[iron marten]

Nah, I’ve seen some cracked revolver vets in auric

[topaz lance]

No, revolver is the best gun, period

[topaz lance]

those perks
I'm so sorry

[still pollen]

Oh no, how am I gonna roll for T2 blessings? Get a 300 rating gun and roll it?

[sinful cave]

i didnt think anyone used these things

[late hatch]

its stats are good but its perks are bad, it will be pretty good

[hexed shell]

so what do I change on it

[grim walrus]

It rips the Scabs to shreds with ease.
So I like it.

[sinful cave]

so does every none bricked melee though

scabs is a weird example they are far from tanky

[late hatch]

well on the agri you can probs get away with just changing perks to maniac and either flak or weakspot depending breakpoints in the psykanium.
deathspitter is a lil eh on an agri coz usually you snipe with the special. you could also look at full bore and maybe keep the sprint efficiency.

[sharp ember]

good idea, slightly cheaper to spam blue upgrades that way

[hexed shell]

thanks

[late hatch]

i use the mod buy until rating, to buy brunts in packs of 10 and auto sell trash. i get plenty of blessings from rolling them up and feeding the bricks back to hadron. also keep an eye on melks for good blessings

[austere badger]

Plasma feels like a get out of shit for free button. I wish one of the capstones was for the plasma/bolter.

[late hatch]

the breakpoints you want to look for are chest shotting maulers, headshotting dogs, flamers, trappers, maniacs

[late hatch]

the same gun can be built diff ways, how you play it can make diff blessings stronger or weaker. like deathspitter is close range, find that range. I love my agri as a sniper rifle, and i have 1 with TB on it. I am actually pretty big on TB if it suits your playstyle, suppressing enemies can be extremely powerful

[hollow turtle]

e.e I'm turning gadgets operated and revives back on.

Some people thinking they can push the pox burster before the door opens. Nah. They jump before that door opens

[late hatch]

jack in the box bursters are so annoying when they dont make a sound

[grim walrus]

What if...

[hollow turtle]

Is that the Navy force guys?

I forgot their names

[hexed shell]

nice I'll try that

[late hatch]

some enemies are immune to suppression btw

[wraith solar]

nah it's Solar Auxilia 30k stuff

not gonna happen

[hexed shell]

yeah

[south spindle]

Its very strong defensively, with decent offence, every part of the moveset is relevant an dont neglect the push followup attack or the special attack, both of them are fucking great

[hollow turtle]

It bothers me how in some missions, we have a line of imperial guardsman watching our backs as we're starting the mission, but if enemies come close to that area, they don't open fire.

[sharp ember]

they're ALL traitors

[nova umbra]

Why help the suicide squad.

[hollow turtle]

Lol. Clearly water cartel.

[sharp ember]

the leman russ gunline ignoring the 3 trappers, 2 dogs, 3 muties, 1 bomber, 4 flamers emerge from their side of the wall

[south spindle]

Inefficiency is the name of the game when it comes to imperium forces

It probably takes a week or two for orders to even get to em

[kind scarab]

Only reason things go smoothly for us is how short our chain of command on the morningstar is

[weak venture]

Does anybody have the link to the mod where it adds a scope to the Helbore

[kind scarab]

For the most part, it's just grendyl going kill heretics while I do the real work

[hollow turtle]

Weapon customization mod?

[weak venture]

Ooo, okay, yea I overlooked that

[kind scarab]

And melk sending us around to do what his scouts are worried most about

[hollow turtle]

I'm not sure if you'll like it. That zoom is crazy high.

And weapon FOV ain't fixing it.

[weak venture]

Oh

there's another mod where it just adds a scope

[hollow turtle]

This one?

[stuck crystal]

So yesterday I made this beauty of a lasgun, and as a relatively inexperienced vet player I'm looking for a melee weapon to go along with it

Obvious meme answer is the shovel, but how good is it now?

[topaz lance]

Chainsword

[tawdry hull]

shovel xd

[kind scarab]

Power sword, combat axe 2, or devil claw 4

[weak venture]

Nah, it adds a reddot sight to it lol

[tawdry hull]

but im using chainsword

[hollow turtle]

Ah. I'm not familiar with that one.

[stuck crystal]

Caxe 2 is better than 5 now?

[kind scarab]

If you go full attack speed you can just spam left clicks, if you also have BM

[dusk idol]

shovel

[hollow turtle]

Unless you're talking about the shorter scope I'm thinking of.

[dusk idol]

shovel go bonk

shovel good

[sharp ember]

you want any sort of melee weapon with good horde control/clearing: a devil claw, a chainsword, a shovel if you're spicy. shovels are good but lack killing power while having supreme stagger and high dodge limit

[kind scarab]

Shovel just looks and sounds nice, but the TTK is sad

[weak venture]

Shorter scope

but honestly

[kind scarab]

But I'll admit it has the best stagger potential

[weak venture]

ill take a mod with a longer scope

[tawdry hull]

whats ttk?

[weak venture]

link it

[dusk idol]

time to kill

[hollow turtle]

It looks shorter, but the zoom is the same, I assure you.

[stuck crystal]

Yeah, from what I've seen the shovel just shove(l)s mobs around, and I hate that 😛

[weak venture]

[tawdry hull]

whats that? o.o

[weak venture]

I appreciate the help, I just refuse to use the Helbore without a scope

[kind scarab]

Exactly

[dusk idol]

how long it takes to kill

[kind scarab]

Too long

[dusk idol]

shovel is not the best melee weapon

[weak venture]

Just chainsword

If you want killing efficiency

[dusk idol]

but for the krieger fantasy

[south spindle]

Nah, TTK is fine, its just competing with a bunch of stuff that very overtuned

[dusk idol]

bring shovel

also

shovel go bonk

[sinful cave]

thats not really a bad thing though? zealot crusher kinda does the same thing u just ragdoll hordes and eventually kill them

[kind scarab]

Very much disagree. The other weapons aren't overturned (minus ps6)

[south spindle]

Crusher deletes most things now tbh

[stuck crystal]

Why would I eventually kill them if I can just kill them before they get ragdolled around?

[dusk idol]

the crusher is actually pretty good at killing

[kind scarab]

Shovel just ain't good

[stuck crystal]

I'm used to the killing power of heavy sword

[sinful cave]

also been trying the headhunter type autoguns and like man. I do like them but good lord this thing is a ghost hit farmer it just doesnt register my shots, i hear the hitmarker and see blood but no dmg dealt

[south spindle]

It is tho, its one of the best defensive options you can get an doesnt skimp so much on the killing power to the point its suffering

[sinful cave]

nah i swear when i heavy sweep hordes it still takes awhile 2 kill everything they just get ragdolled plenty

[south spindle]

Its still levels above the fuckin combat knife

An people love that

[sinful cave]

never used that

dont see the appeal

[sharp ember]

this is possibly the most foul build i have ever devised

[dusk idol]

i'd say the knife has much better time to kill

[south spindle]

Heh, pretty similar to what i run when using smokes

[stuck crystal]

At least combat knife has the bleed blessings and you can rely on the stacks to kill the enemies, I guess

[weak venture]

Isn't the Vet skill tree being fully fleshed out next patch

[south spindle]

Better time to kill, terrible defensively unless you're using it vs poxies

[topaz lance]

Keep trying this (will again with the new keystones) but it's just a more awkward revolver for me

[stuck crystal]

Anyway, I'll keep an eye out for some of the stuff mentioned and play around with those a bit. Thanks 🙂

[sinful cave]

im just trying 2 avoid using revolver on 3 of my classes lmfao

[dusk idol]

depends on what you mean by defensive i guess, if you're blocking with it then yeah, it's terrible

[sinful cave]

ig ill try a good hellbore next

[south spindle]

Might need to chase up a better roll, Crusher is absolute S tier at this point

[dusk idol]

but it has great dodges and dodge distance

also blocking is the last defensive resort you want to take, no matter the weapon

[south spindle]

Bad blocks, no stam, stagger inst fantastic

[dusk idol]

unless it's a slab shield

[kind scarab]

I'd argue that the knife is much better defensively. Simply because you're: 1) Faster with the knife. 2) Shouldn't be BLOCKING attacks anyway. You should always be moving, attacking or dodging. and 3) Highest Dodge count + Distance + Attack speed

[sinful cave]

no no i do love the weapon i just.. could sworn it wasnt killing hordes as fast as my other weapons

[kind scarab]

Last thing you should be doing 100% is wasting your stamina as vet on blocking hits

[topaz lance]

It's vgreat that it lets you control a horde of 3 maulers and 5 crushers like it's nothing

[south spindle]

Shovel has great combos, huge stagger, very good dodges, gets Uncanny Strike.. and it makes funny "Plunk!" noise

[kind scarab]

If you're wasting your stamina like that, you're doing something very wrong

[spare wolf]

Crusher is garbage

[sharp ember]

thinking about how knife has unique blocking animations for standard grip blocking and reverse-grip blocking

[south spindle]

Well you deffo shouldnt be struggling with that

[spare wolf]

Doubt it's S tier

[sinful cave]

never said i was struggling

[south spindle]

Uhm no.. if you dont use the blocks when required, thats doing something wrong

[sharp ember]

depending on if you block from neutral or from heavy

[stuck crystal]

Guess I'm all in on the meme loadout now

[topaz lance]

what's with the hyperbole?

[sinful cave]

blud where u been since these recent patches

things great now

[kind scarab]

The only time you're required to block, is when picking up allies.

[south spindle]

Blocks are super useful, you dont use them, you get chewed up because you'll run out of dodges an then eat shit

[spare wolf]

Nope still garbage

[dusk idol]

actually shovel has the highest dodge count but all others i agree with

[sinful cave]

stay wrong ig

?

[kind scarab]

If you're needing to block that often, you're dodging wrong.

[sinful cave]

whats even the argument

[kind scarab]

Since you should effectively never run out of dodges

[spare wolf]

1. Blessings are garbage 2. You have better melee weapons for zealots

[sinful cave]

things bonks everything i need it 2 while still being able 2 one tap mutants

[south spindle]

You use blocks to regen your dodges. Spamming dodge without using blocks inbetween is a fast way to eat shit

[spare wolf]

If it was a weapon for other class i'd consider it but for zealot

Why would you even want to use this over other dedicated melee weapons

This is a weapon that those smite enjoyers would enjoy

[sinful cave]

local discord user discovers fun

[spare wolf]

Which means "eh"

[south spindle]

This man still living in pre-patch 13

[sinful cave]

fr

[spare wolf]

No but appearently you are

Have you like

Tried other buffed melee weapons

Other than crusher

[south spindle]

Crusher uhh.. was terrible before P13

[spare wolf]

[kind scarab]

Even pre-patch 13

[dusk idol]

the logic is half there, you don't have to use block to recov dodges, you also use pushes and distance, which the knife has great dodge distance and stam regen

[south spindle]

Why would I? Crusher kills everything with absolute ease

[dusk idol]

even though its base stam is low

[south spindle]

[sinful cave]

i swear once a day someone comes in here give horrific takes and refuses 2 elaborate

[kind scarab]

Crusher could be used to just juggle activations and use it as a semi-stagger grenade on infinite use

[sinful cave]

gets clowned on and leaves

[spare wolf]

See

Who still lives in pre 13 patch

[sinful cave]

????????????????????

[south spindle]

You

[spare wolf]

I already elaborated

You missed it or purposefully ignoring it

[iron marten]

My bolter’s soul lives in pre patch 13

[south spindle]

No, but you should, because it doesnt require you to drop your aggro on enemies, you can just keep pushing them. Only times you dont wanna be using blocks is vs Maulers or Crushers

[sinful cave]

you did? all u sais was there are other weapons that are better, that doesnt somehow make it worse

[spare wolf]

Scroll up

[sharp ember]

1 handed power crusher for vet when

[south spindle]

Everything else blocks are solid for

[spare wolf]

Says who only used crusher after the patch right

How lovely

[south spindle]

My guy... if it was a mid take you was having i'd attribute it to you just not liking the weapon, but saying Crusher is bad? Thats clownery right there

[topaz lance]

Crusher deletes hordes, just aim for the heads.
Crusher allows you to single-handedly control a room full of carapace.
Crusher is fun to use.
Crusher good

[iron marten]

I used the crusher when it first released, it was just a funny melee that can stagger even behind you lmao

[spare wolf]

I'm saying you have better melee weapons other than crusher for zealots

[south spindle]

Kinda glad they gave it damage and removed the massive AoE

[spare wolf]

All of it's blessings are practically useless too

Other melee weapons for zealots with proper blessings are just better choice tbh(in terms of performance)

[south spindle]

If you ask me a weapon which performs well regardless of blessing is actually better than one that relies on certain rolls

[iron marten]

I should pick it up again aye. I probably have the plasteel to invest

[spare wolf]

Sure if you want to have some fun with it who am i object your decision

[sinful cave]

like clearly this is no thunder hammer right, but the fact i can 2-3 shot crushers with or without ult and still just ragdoll anything below a boss is insane

and its horde clear is solid

i dont see the issue

[south spindle]

You wont be dissapointed. It'll stagger everything an then beat it into pulp a second or two later

Super stronk

[spare wolf]

It isn't

It really isn't

[south spindle]

It literally clears faster than Hammer

By a mile too

[spare wolf]

But you are comparing it to hammer

Which is uhhh

[south spindle]

Its a two handed weapon, what am i supposed to compare it to? The Knife?

[spare wolf]

Literally other melee weapons

Yes knife included

Crusher does have wide AoE staggers

[south spindle]

You're on some mad shit here bud

[spare wolf]

But actually killing horde

[south spindle]

Knife isnt remotely in the same league

[spare wolf]

Why tho

It's still a melee weapon

[south spindle]

Tbh, nor are most things with maybe the only exception being Heavy Sword

Maybe Catachan Swords if i was feeling generous

[south spindle]

Because its a toothpick with no where near the damage or killing power?

[spare wolf]

You really haven't tried proper knife build yet haven't you

[south spindle]

Ive played knife builds, they're shit pretty shit

[sinful cave]

[spare wolf]

Say no more

[spare wolf]

You clearly haven't

[sinful cave]

i cant comment 2 much of knife since im just not interested/havent used it but knife looks good from what ive seen in clips and such

[south spindle]

Lmao

[south spindle]

Its a speedrunner's weapon, second you get into a mixed horde the pace of gameplay slows to a snails pace, its for running through the level and ignoring enemies

[spare wolf]

[kind scarab]

Knife, Crusher, Thunderhammer, Long sword and Chainsword are all A-tier weapons for Zealot

[wanton dawn]

Knife looks good cuz it is a magnet for shitty situation

[sinful cave]

idk i just kinda watch them dodge back and fourth while spamiming lights and somehow everything dead 2 bleed? even the enemies it doesnt look like are being hit

[kind scarab]

If you think otherwise, you prolly not meant for that playstyle

[spare wolf]

^

[south spindle]

Bleed isnt even the strongest way to build knives

[spare wolf]

🤔 🤔

[south spindle]

Uncanny + Excecutor/Mercy Killer, because Zealot can natively apply bleeds with his skill tree

[sinful cave]

low hp in training? i assumed this wasnt possible even with like creature spawner since psyker explosion cant kill u, made me think ur just 100% invul in there

[wanton dawn]

Btw, is this zealot chat ?

[south spindle]

The Creature Spawner mod lets you turn off invincibility

[sinful cave]

[kind scarab]

You can disable invul to do testing with breakpoints

[south spindle]

Yeah, worth getting if you havent already

Really useful mod

[kind scarab]

I pretty much exclusively play my zealot at low HP in all my missions, without issue

[sinful cave]

[south spindle]

Lets you practice fighting bosses too

[kind scarab]

So I always do my testing at low health

[spare wolf]

Some of them are worthy of S tier but not the crusher unfortunately

If crusher gets better blessing one day

Sure

[kind scarab]

Crusher will lock down an entire room with the stagger

And still oneshot elites and almost all specials

[south spindle]

Dont even need to use the powered attack anymore

Just bonk a rager in the face an its floored

[sinful cave]

anyway can we either entirely or temporarily return to veteran for a moment, decided i wanna give hellbore a proper go, which one though?

[kind scarab]

I dunno what to tell you man, it's definitely an A tier weapon

[south spindle]

Whichever one, they're all good

[sinful cave]

thats not the argument im pretty sure he agrees its A tier

but is it S

[spare wolf]

Everything can be A tier in this standard

[south spindle]

MK1 is the inbetween, MKII is best for shooter removal, MKIII has the longest charge, but the biggest upfront damage

[sinful cave]

do u charge for shooter removal on mk2 or just use it like a normal laz and charge for anything tankier?

[south spindle]

Just be aware they all take longer to draw than the Boltgun does, so dont expect swapping to be fluid

[south spindle]

If you're hitting headshots you should just be able to beam normal shooters

[kind scarab]

Clearly none of the zealot weapons are S tier other than the thunder hammer

[south spindle]

Iirc with Exe' its one shot to bodyshots tho

[sinful cave]

exe

i wish

[kind scarab]

Cause it's the only weapon that lets you walk up to a demonhost and smack it's ass so hard it flies back into the warp in one hit

[sinful cave]

shout feels 2 mandatory

[south spindle]

I wouldnt play Shout with Hellbore personally

[sinful cave]

im sorry i just cant use thunderhammer i think they feel fucking horrific 2 use, i cleary need to give them another chance but i just hate it

[south spindle]

Draw times on the weapons are far too long

[iron marten]

I love martyrdom on zealot! Purely so it doesn’t look like I’m throwing when I take unnecessary damage!

[spare wolf]

For meme worthy it's "S tier"

[kind scarab]

If you played release day thunderhammers, yes they sucked

[spare wolf]

But yes

Hammer isn't in great position rn

[kind scarab]

Now they're usable, with specific niches

[sinful cave]

i genuinely just dont get it, i think my issue is i first timed them after crusher rework

[spare wolf]

I suppose

[sinful cave]

and they just feel like a worse crusher with more boss dmg

[south spindle]

Shroud + Stun grenades = easy bonklage vs basically anything

[iron marten]

Zealots that run thammer on monstrous specialists on maelstrom are a blessing to have in lobbies

[south spindle]

They were before they gutted the modifer, now you can bring anything to that an still win

[kind scarab]

I 100% suggest grabbing a revolver with the thunder hammer. It'll let you remove anything that might be annoying for you. And then the hammer lets you just delete bosses/oggies in one hit, while heavy spam clears hordes for you.

[spare wolf]

Yes this is true

[sinful cave]

but no one on my team can kill groaners shout feels mandatory on this class

[spare wolf]

But other than that it's rather limited

[iron marten]

My ass doesn’t want to deal with two chaos spawns for an extended amount of time

[south spindle]

Bruh are you playing with a sack of potatoes for teammates?

[spare wolf]

Not that great on horde clearing/slows you down too much in general

[sinful cave]

yes, no matter the difficulty

sometimes there not even bad players i just think theres this type of player who only wants 2 see there name in the kill feed

so they just ignore anything that wont appear in said kill feed

[south spindle]

Thats uhh.. an awful lot of people i cant even lie

[sinful cave]

[spare wolf]

Crucis is kinda awkward to use

[south spindle]

Thankfully less bad in AM

[spare wolf]

At least ironhelm is bit better

[sinful cave]

u lose me on the last part thunder hammer horde clear is a joke i swear

[south spindle]

You kinda have to have your shit together to be in those lobbies

[sinful cave]

it straight up stops after like 6 groaners

[spare wolf]

Used to be stops after 2 groaners

Be thankful

[sinful cave]

oh dw i still do all the work i just couldnt do it on vet specifically without shout

[south spindle]

Sec, ima DM you summat

[iron marten]

thankfully I can still play with bad teammates with exe stance

only thing I have shout on is my revo

[sinful cave]

like this wasnt some insane carry but just why is the vet being left to lesser enemy farming?

[odd summit]

Im the opposite where I like getting a bunch of groaner kills cause I like hearing the teammates' characters compliment me

[sinful cave]

maybe i should try it some more

[sinful cave]

purgatus psyker farming the compliments

[kind scarab]

It works fine if you know what you're doing, esp since you often want to be running it with a martyrdom build for that attack speed

[sharp ember]

with the rate they've been rolling out advertising content, wonder if the update is this coming week

[iron marten]

Yeah I basically only always do exe stance whenever I make new builds

[sharp ember]

they sound very confident

[kind scarab]

I personally always go for finding a choke point in melee, to ensure I don't need to dodge around as much in the open since that's the only point that the hammer struggles a bit with

[sinful cave]

alright lets say i do an exe setup i still need 2 find out what hellbore 2 make and how 2 build it

[kind scarab]

Thammer go brrrr

[iron marten]

I use hb3, but be warned that you basically only use it on specials and elites

The infinite ammo is nice though

God bless surgical

[sinful cave]

u missed a spot

[kind scarab]

I was almost at the max filesize I could post on discord.

Didn't feel like rendering the video down

But yeah, chokepoints and walls are your friend with the thunder hammer. Since you'll either kill the enemies, or lay them down on their ass while more funnel towards you

[sinful cave]

ill make a ironhelm at some point ig maybe my issue is that i made a crucius thinking i really wanted the ability 2 swing it through groaners and still hit the mauler in between em with the active

[kind scarab]

Yeah nah.

That's a design issue tbh

You won't be doing that most of the time, and it's a pain in the ass

[spare wolf]

Can any of you legit tell my why crusher is even good at

I did some test just in case i knew something wrong

[kind scarab]

I both already explained to you, and showed you a video

[spare wolf]

But it seems the more i tested it it's garbage

No hitmass related blessing so it only kinda properly damages 1 chaff when you swung it at horde

Rest of them just stagger/knocked back

Pathetically weak dmg against maniac types

[sinful cave]

?

[spare wolf]

It takes ages to kill mutant lmao

[sinful cave]

i one shot muties with it

tf are u doing with it

[spare wolf]

Testing in meat grinder

[sinful cave]

activate special overhead heavy dash just floors em instantly

[spare wolf]

How

Show me

[sinful cave]

i cant save clips on this damm game hold on

[sinful cave]

try this though

[spare wolf]

Take your time

Charged up heavy attack with dash?

Okay

[sinful cave]

not even using matrydom

[kind scarab]

Crit zealot, or MS zealot?

I'm guessing crit zealot, for the funny bonk spree

[spare wolf]

I did it and yes you can but

[sinful cave]

crit, ive just recently stepped into matrydom territory

[spare wolf]

You need a lot of shits to pull this off

[sinful cave]

havent tried it with crusher yet 2 busy trying 2 get vet contracts done

[sinful cave]

3 inputs

dash has no cooldown

[spare wolf]

Need dash + charge up + heavy attack

Dash does have cooldown if you go with crusher i believe

Since you don't crit much

[sinful cave]

well not with my goofy ah piety build

[spare wolf]

Yeah and i noticed that crushers heavy attack does have a very nice crit modifier

[spare wolf]

U like getting hit

[sinful cave]

honestly man anything tanky just heavy>light repeat and things cant move while getting bonked

[sinful cave]

huh?

[kind scarab]

Lets be honest. You can also just, ya know, attack the muttie more than once this is still primarily a stun weapon.

It just always does a stupid amount of damage.

[sinful cave]

how does piety mean i like getting hit is that not matrydom ur thinkin off?

[kind scarab]

Yeah

[spare wolf]

Only when you crit and it's heavy attack

[spare wolf]

Thought you talking about martyr's purpose

[kind scarab]

I don't run crits and still take out most of the guys HP on just a heavy hit + activation

[sinful cave]

grah

[kind scarab]

Like, I ain't even need the second activation.

[spare wolf]

Yeah because you running matyrdom stacks

[sinful cave]

can u not light light attack afterwords? instead of second activate

surely that kills

[kind scarab]

Technically speaking

Like really technically

I don't even need to activate, I just like the funny thunder sounds

And getting in the habit of activating means anything in the area (including this bozo) gets staggered

[sinful cave]

god i need 2 try this thing with marty

[spark hamlet]

ooooh

buy this, right

[kind scarab]

Yes