veteran-class

[candid tundra]

better than slaughterer?

I see

yeah I heard sunder's good

[frank ether]

yeah because decimator on shovel is so reliable for breakpoints

[ivory aurora]

All My swords have PC

[wise hill]

im just partial to cycler personally but everyone has their preference

[candid tundra]

yeah

ok thanks for the advice everyone

[idle dirge]

What

[ivory aurora]

So that’s why he’s has a problem. He’s sniping with a shovel ?

[frank ether]

Ugh feel like I'm talking to a wall honestly

[ebon jay]

Brunt was selling a green 380 power sword

[ivory aurora]

Me is wall. Very smurt

[paper anchor]

Wall

[idle dirge]

I have been playing a lot of ogryn lately

[ivory aurora]

That’s a very nice sword

[stray storm]

Worth milk coins or just wait for refresh ?

[wise hill]

the finnese is actually pretty important

[paper anchor]

Crit and atk speed

[ivory aurora]

I’d say wait.

[paper anchor]

Ye

Wait

[wise hill]

id say wait till u get one with dumped mobi

[ebon jay]

I'd wait, it's all tier 3 blessings

[wise hill]

zealot with shred on the devils claw makes it shine

[ivory aurora]

T3s are easy to get t4 are rarer

[delicate estuary]

never thought I would be told to unalive myself for using a lasgun in QP aurics

the MK12 to be specific

[wise hill]

the lasguns have been doing amazing after the buff

[paper anchor]

At least melk doesn't brick my weapons like Hadron

[wise hill]

i run aurics with my 1a

[delicate estuary]

yea dont worry according to said person

[paper anchor]

[delicate estuary]

vet can only run revolver

and plasma gun

[ivory aurora]

True lmao

[delicate estuary]

as it has no build diversity

[desert hawk]

yeah milkman just gives me trash every day

[ebon jay]

rip my autogun and helbore then

[delicate estuary]

quite the human being I met tonight

[frank ether]

you could do auric without a ranged weapon

[wise hill]

he is the melkman and his melk is delicious

[delicate estuary]

homie took 2k damage

using a revolver

and shout

[paper anchor]

Another person's trash can be someone else's Treasure

[desert hawk]

The only time I've really been excited was when he gave me power cycler 2

[paper anchor]

[desert hawk]

after that it's all been downhill

[untold mulch]

Recon

[desert hawk]

rending recon was so fun

for the short time it lived

[paper anchor]

Where hellgun

[desert hawk]

hotshot las

[paper anchor]

[wise hill]

i like the vld

[untold mulch]

Recon VId

Useful for 21 days out of a 10 month period

Dearly missed

[hearty panther]

we may get a little heckgun as a treat

[wise hill]

i havent had any real issues so far although it takes longer to beam things now

[desert hawk]

honestly I'd rather they just refine what they have now before dropping more stuff

[untold mulch]

Anyday now

[paper anchor]

Or melta weapons*

[desert hawk]

as a sienna enjoyer, see you in like half a decade

[paper anchor]

[untold mulch]

[stray storm]

Okay one more before I depart:
Bloodthirsty and Savage Sweep good pair for a chainsword?

[desert hawk]

on?

[wise hill]

the biggest hit the recons was the nerf to exploit weakness

[untold mulch]

Shocktrooper imo

[desert hawk]

I find bloodthirsty is overkill

rampage or something is probably more comfy

[untold mulch]

Exploit Weakness can be solved picking Onslaught

[desert hawk]

that way you just demolish waves

[untold mulch]

But Shocktrooper killed the ammo economy

[stray storm]

But what if I want to be overkill

[pine plume]

they're giving the whc tag to veteran

holy

[desert hawk]

as long as you have flak and/or maniac you'll 1shot rev stuff anyways

so like no need to stack bleed

unless you're doing some wacky infiltrate side shit

but even then

ehh

They nerfed the crit / rending stacking

it was super good for a short period

[stray storm]

This one has + 20 damage against unyielding

[desert hawk]

then patch dropped and it got nerfed into the ground

[untold mulch]

Its crit strings and shocktrooper was changed to nerf it

[stray storm]

And + 8 for specialists

[untold mulch]

Shocktrooper is the one that pisses me off ngl

Helbore still has unlimited ammo for all purposes

[stray storm]

I just wanna change cuz it has tier 1 Bloodletter

[desert hawk]

I wouldenjoy helbore SO much more

if it wasnt just janky

[wise hill]

i dont have ammo problems on the infantrys either

[stray storm]

And Bloodthirsty

[desert hawk]

I find I run a bit drier on Aurics with columnus

but only if I get a bad shock setup

its managable but

[untold mulch]

I cope that Hellgun is gonnaa be an ability like Outcast Engineer

This way I can see the dumbass zealot picking thr ammo, and I must not contain murderous rage

[desert hawk]

like compared to how free VId was

[desert hawk]

jokes on you ogyrn already does that

[wise hill]

i meant specifically lasguns

[untold mulch]

Which part

[solid talon]

I keep trying to run hellbore but hold the fire button too soon after swapping so I sit there like a putz not charging a shot for an uncomfortably long amount of time my own ineptitude leading to a teamate getting killed or me getting walloped

[wise hill]

probly shouldve mentioned that

[karmic musk]

Wtf is that new Marksman keystone lmao

Gonna see more downed Vets soon cause they aint moving

[untold mulch]

Magdump hordes while still bucko

One of the subnodes better be a tax to solve that ngl

[celest vine]

Thats what im saying

[kind scarab]

If your teammate is getting killed, that's their own fault for not using their eyes and ears

if you getting your ass kicked, that's the only skill issue you gotta worry about

[celest vine]

These keystones are a bit underwhelming

[kind scarab]

Not really

[solid talon]

I mean true, but when I could have helped and didn't cause my gun wasn't charging it still feels bad. In the end its a down we didn't need to take

[kind scarab]

You get a whole ass 3 seconds of time to move between weakpoint kills

You shouldn't need to hold still that long unless you have like, idk ghost active or something

Since enemies will be ignoring you on stealth

[solid talon]

Also rip, all these precison hit things and I just wanna throw recon las fire into enemies without too much care about aiming

[kind scarab]

Not to mention the modifiers for the capstones will give you far more time

[desert hawk]

as long as they dont nerf kraks / my ability to spam shout it'll be ok

[solid talon]

Maybe I should have been a zealot

[kind scarab]

Go rightmost tree, then you can do exactly that

On the new vet stuff

Melee some shit, switch to range shoot shit

[karmic musk]

You assume most Vets are going to hit heads lmao

[kind scarab]

No brain required

[karmic musk]

You should take some time in spectator cam

[kind scarab]

Most vets are building their weapons for headshot anyway

If they are missing, that's a them problem, not a problem with the system

[queen quiver]

Why I use the MK12 it’s like the helbore for dummies and not having to dedicate brain power to charge cycling allows me to dedicate more brain power to loving my Immortal God Emperor

[kind scarab]

[solid talon]

True true, do those stacks have a time limit on how long they last once acquired? Cause I usually dont use my ranged weapons unless theres an elite I need to laser down

[desert hawk]

why aim for the head

when you just body everything with plasma

along with their neighbors

and cousins

[kind scarab]

They last so long as you're not moving (without first having gotten a headshot kill in the last 3 seconds

[tall torrent]

I’d assume the -90% threat when stationary skill is returning in that keystone

[solid talon]

I need to get a good MK12. But the decks tiny screen makes the sight a hindrance

[kind scarab]

AS long as you get a headshot kill, you can move as much as you want

[solid talon]

Thats the middle tree, not the right one

[untold mulch]

Perhaps idk

[kind scarab]

For three seconds, baseline

[desert hawk]

I'll withold judgement until I see the whole skill tree

but like

[kind scarab]

That's the leftmost tree, mid tree is marking enemies = more damage to that enemy

[solid talon]

The right one is gaining stacks for ranged when you melee, and melee when you range

[frank ether]

for 3 seconds*

[kind scarab]

That's the baseline

[solid talon]

My brain is bad then

[kind scarab]

It goes higher

[tall torrent]

Right keystone seems super strong
Middle could be good
Left looks like trap

[frank ether]

no one has any guarantee that it will be improved by a lot

[solid talon]

I just wanna magdump recon las mags but dont wanna stand still like a nerd while I'm surrounded by bullshit

[kind scarab]

Alot or not, if you can keep your Ex Stance up. You can keep this capstone up.

It's that simple

[austere mica]

why is veteran getting all the saltzpyre abilities

[frank ether]

maybe you'll get 5 or 6 seconds so it will be on par with volley fire but even that itself is obvious talent tax

[solid talon]

Vet doesnt even get a dueling sword iirc

[queen quiver]

Vet needs a bolt pistol badly

[kind scarab]

Then use rightmost tree, that's what it's made for

[solid talon]

Pog

[kind scarab]

Gives you benefits to being aggressive and switching weapons based on the targets you run into

ADHD build

[solid talon]

Weapon switch buff sounds fun, I hope it makes you swap faster instead of giving you a damage boost or some shit

Cause swapping at the speed of light sounds hilarious

[kind scarab]

I believe the middle most node will be a swap speed buff

Since everyone seems to want that

[solid talon]

Yesssssss

[kind scarab]

Not to mention the damn icon is hinting at that

[solid talon]

Bolter wins again

[desert hawk]

unless ammo economy gets jumped up, bolter will still languish in the land of mediocre

[kind scarab]

Boltor can single mag a boss

[tall torrent]

Right keystone just seems so strong for basically any playstyle that doesn’t plan on sitting in VF for half the game

[solid talon]

But it sounds like a train wreck when I shoot it. So its an S tier gun for me

[austere mica]

the right keystone will make hotswaping to plasma better than it already is and thats all I care about

[kind scarab]

Or be turned into a sniper that shoots cans of oneshot at enemies

The only problem boltor ever had was the draw time animation

[desert hawk]

or just use revolver which does everything bolter does

but better

or plasma LOL

I loved bolter.

[kind scarab]

Revolver and plasma can't one-mag a boss

[desert hawk]

but it's pain

[solid talon]

But chonky bolter sound, the screenshake makes me feel sonstrong

[queen quiver]

The fact that the bolter sounds like someone slamming a sub woofer down on your head is what makes it S tier

[solid talon]

This guy gets it

[desert hawk]

it's probably the most true rendition of the weapon in 40k media

[solid talon]

It feels like my vet is gonna fall over when he mag dumps it

[desert hawk]

but large fish kinda tanked it.

[kind scarab]

Boltor should make you fly off the ground as you magdump it

[solid talon]

Bolter jumps when fatshark

[idle dirge]

Bolter should be able to damage you and teammates

[kind scarab]

^^^^^^^^^^

Plasma gun explosion too

[austere mica]

bolter should do self damage after five rounds in a salvo

[kind scarab]

Lemme take out those bastards

[karmic musk]

Even if I go Helbore, I won't be taking the Marksman node unless the subnodes are really good, its just self-sabotage

[solid talon]

That'd just make me run it more tbh

[kind scarab]

For certain weapons, I don't think they'll need the added finesse damage

[solid talon]

Oh yeh I tried shovel finally. I have seen the light

[kind scarab]

But I'm calling it right now

Laspistol

[queen quiver]

I just wish I could do cool customizations to my guns look. I want my bolter to have graffiti on it “Hate thy Enemy”

[kind scarab]

With left tree

[solid talon]

Bullying 3 maulers at the same time was delightful

[kind scarab]

Is going to be possibly one of the most meta builds we get

[austere mica]

the shovel has no right to be as good as it is

I love it so much

[kind scarab]

Because laspisols have insane movement speed, coupled with what I believe leftmost subnode for the left tree is going to be

[solid talon]

Pokes mutant in the eye

[kind scarab]

We're going to have speedrun vets, running around like knife zealots

Wielding laspistols, and using stupid finesse stacking to oneshot most things

While running

[queen quiver]

It doesn’t matter if others can’t see it

It’s about showing off

I need the carapace helmet that has “I KILL TRAITORS” written across the brow

[kind scarab]

Calling it right now. Best trees gonna be the left and right trees.

Midtree gonna be hella underwhelming.

[queen quiver]

I’ll keep you in mind

[austere mica]

if middle tree is WHC marking then its going to be good at bosses and carapace targets

[kind scarab]

I already laid out my predictions on what the tree subnodes are based on their art

And if even half of those are correct or better than my predictions, then definitely left and right tree are going to be great.

[odd sparrow]

yeah if the tagging can affect your whole team then thats insane for boss fights

[kind scarab]

Right tree will be amazing for people that can't multitask. Left tree will be great for people who want to speedrun.

It's going to devolve into a run and gun playstyle.

[shy rose]

what is the class ability that llows you to give the entire team 2 extra nades?

[kind scarab]

There is none

[shy rose]

But i have been in games where i suddenly got 2 extra nades

is that a level boostthingy?

[kind scarab]

The only thing that'd give you back grenades would only give you grenades

Not the team

[queen quiver]

This game needs the bolt gun taunt button

[shy rose]

is that a level trait

[kind scarab]

Nothing gives the team grenades, or else nuke ogryns would walk around tossing them at everything that moves

[austere mica]

was it a maelstrom?

[shy rose]

yeah it was

[austere mica]

or however its spelled

[kind scarab]

That's a maelstrom modifier

[austere mica]

enhanced blitz is a modifier

[kind scarab]

^

[shy rose]

yeah i just realised that

[austere mica]

thats where they come from

[shy rose]

thanks my bad

[kind scarab]

Np and gl in your future games

[shy rose]

Good for ogrin nukes

[kind scarab]

Yeap

And zealot flame nades

[austere mica]

all four of my semi infinite krak grenades

[shy rose]

yup

[topaz lance]

I'm a weirdo and my favorite vet build is revolver with exe stance.

[kind scarab]

Aight, I'm heading to sleep. Gotta fast forward time so the update comes out quicker.

[kind scarab]

That's called being normal.

A oneshot weapon, with wallhacks.

[topaz lance]

None of the keystones add much to that though

Which is kind of a bummer

[kind scarab]

Rightmost tree means you can do that faster

[viscid marlin]

after what i saw of the ones they showed im a bit dissapointed

but it is what it is

[topaz lance]

Yeah, thats the one that makes most sense

though the ability modifier is just wasted

[kind scarab]

I will probably be going leftmost tree though for the reload speed.

And movement speed buff

[topaz lance]

hm fair enough!

[kind scarab]

Cause I'm banking on the node there on the bottom left being movement speed

[viscid marlin]

it could be

[kind scarab]

As a stacking bonus for the stacks you get.

[viscid marlin]

too bad you cant ads while sprinting

[kind scarab]

Ain't gotta ADS while sprinting

[viscid marlin]

you wanna try to hipfire for your headshots?

[kind scarab]

Not with revolver at least. Since you can just "quickscope" with it

[grim dawn]

Can we post link ?

[viscid marlin]

blah

revolver

[kind scarab]

And yes, I'd already practiced my hipfire headshots with the revolver

[grim dawn]

For a build

[kind scarab]

That said, you can also make use of the recon lasguns with leftmost tree

[viscid marlin]

here i was hoping we were going to get something interesting instead of speed run the keystoneTM

[kind scarab]

Since they fire so damn quickly, you can literally just keep walking while shooting

and never lose stacks

[viscid marlin]

that's.. true i guess

[kind scarab]

People are complaining too much, and not seeing the massive potential in the leftmost tree

and are just flocking to mid and right tree cause it's "easier"

[delicate estuary]

@kind scarab yo screenshot me the MK12 you said could 4 shot a crusher ?

[grim dawn]

Also how do you use the magnacore plasma gun ?

[viscid marlin]

I mean i see the potential

it's just uninteresting

[kind scarab]

It was 5 shots, and only when they were all crits

And the mk12 wasn't even perfect

[delicate estuary]

did you roll carapace

[kind scarab]

Ofc

[viscid marlin]

hopfully we get some of those travel nodes removed so we can actually make it to the bottom of the tree without missing other important things

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1172954751890100294/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.11_-_19.41.41.08.mp4?ex=6562323d&is=654fbd3d&hm=f8887bd8fdb190aa84bb0de823507dabad2cdc8df1185c8c1b946885bf04e166&

[solid talon]

Vet perk to reload when sprinting when

[kind scarab]

There's the image of the mk12 and the video of it in action

[solid talon]

I keep canceling my reloads when they're almost done

[kind scarab]

Best case + worst case scenario in the same video

[austere mica]

take it to the practice range and see what an uncharged shot one shots and what it doesn't

[delicate estuary]

hmm I am kinda conflicted with the 5% crit chance

[kind scarab]

To quote what I said earlier

[delicate estuary]

I guess it feeds into headhunter

[austere mica]

use charged shots for the stuff it doesn't oneshot

[kind scarab]

"So, at it's best I can get the mg12 to take just 5 shots for a crusher. And at it's worst, bout 12 shots."

Worst being, when deadshot is inactive

[late hatch]

tap lmb to shoot smaller guys, hold rmb for a lil bit to charge up a bigger shot. learning to time your charge is key to ammo efficiency

[delicate estuary]

its more efficient to left click spam on average unless you get a good lineup

then you can right click charge

usually possible in the mostly melee modifier

can line up like 10+ elites and just yeet

[kind scarab]

Anyways, back to snooze. Y'all have a good night, day or evening.

[karmic musk]

Time for it to share the same fate as Recon

[ruby totem]

I just had a game where a dude had an atomic meltdown in VC when we lost because the zealot was being petty and not dropping the ammo crate lol

Cuz the person was playing a fem character, he dropped like every single female focused pejorative he could lmao

That game fuckin exhausted me lmao

[karmic musk]

[serene sage]

oh

[serene sage]

time to detilt, i suggest ice cream

[ruby totem]

We also had a psycher who didn't follow us up the stairs when a pox pack came by

he died

and then rage quit immediately

[karmic musk]

Why I play with 0 volume voice chat

[ruby totem]

My ears are kinda ringing tbh

Like I'd have more sympathy if he wasn't a manchild, but also it's like he made it his job to ignore every single ammo pack I pinged like DUDE

PICK UP AMMO THEN YOU'LL HAVE SOME LMAO

[serene sage]

did he threw a tantrum bc he couldn't get ammo?

[ruby totem]

I think because of that, (zealot was running revolver and grabbing entire bags at white level ammo) but lost it when we lost because of it

[serene sage]

classic

[ruby totem]

Which I kinda get... but not that much. I just blocked both of them lmao

[serene sage]

my back is broken after this game, too

look at the revived/rez

=.=

[ruby totem]

Uf

[mortal horizon]

which starting planet choice gives you purple eyes in darktide

[shy rose]

is that a mod

[ruby totem]

Cadia

[worthy escarp]

Sorry to ask but thoughts between these two? Which is the better? I know the other has 65% but I'd prefer the mobility as I can easily repeat a shot if need be against tougher enemies

[ruby totem]

yep!

[serene sage]

iamgine wanting to have choas taint smh

[unkempt lagoon]

what are best blessings on infantry lasgun?

[karmic musk]

You only need enough mobility to reach the max dodge count which is usually 51+

So right is better

[shy rose]

what is it called?

[ruby totem]

Scoreboard

[mortal horizon]

[serene sage]

there are some dependency mod
but yeah scoreboard
you will need animation events as well

[karmic musk]

Imagine wanting your home planet to be a bunch of floating rocks

[worthy escarp]

Thank you!

[karmic musk]

Guys, am I trolling if I don't bring Survivalist on my melee Vet

+5% melee and +5% Crit is tempting me

Hmm I'm wondering, is there a point to Grenade Tinkerer for Krak?

[unkempt lagoon]

i mean

[karmic musk]

Or its for the "Stun Immunity"

[worthy escarp]

Thats disgusting but damn

[karmic musk]

Your image cut off but I assume you dont have enough points for Close Quarters Killzone?

[serene sage]

i dont hink so

tbh if i have 2 extra points ill try to get survivalist instead of close quarter

[gleaming turtle]

What would you guys look for for perks and blessings on the Vrak VII?

[solid talon]

Does deadshot or whatever that perk is work only while you have stamina for it to eat? IE: It doesn't do anything when you have no stamina but still aim

[pulsar drift]

Revolver 10 elite or 25 carapace?

[serene sage]

does revolver even need carapce damage?

[austere badger]

Which Helbore is the one with the highest dmg?

[delicate estuary]

3

[austere badger]

Thanks ❤️

[zealous wyvern]

does anyone know cadian ranks i could use for my character?

i am trying to see if there are any names that suit a cadian char do drive home the gimmick

[hybrid river]

theres a youtube channel dedicated to cadian organizational stuff

[zealous wyvern]

maybe kasrkin

[hybrid river]

could find something there

[zealous wyvern]

yeah i just wanted to see if one of us here is a big cadia fan

and throws some stuff at me

[karmic musk]

What are good perks for the Plasma Gun? I have Flak and Maniac rn

[austere badger]

So what blessings and traits for the mk 3 helbore?

[gleaming turtle]

That's it

[hybrid river]

im more of a tempestus scions guy

[zealous wyvern]

you will never guess my favourites

[karmic musk]

I went Onslaught/Surgical for blessings

[austere badger]

Does No Respite trigger on the first hit?

[austere badger]

What are most people using for perks?

Flak and Unyielding?

[karmic musk]

I have Flak/Maniac, not sure about the breakpoints

[slow spade]

anything to change on this?

[hybrid river]

perfect as it gets for damage

[slow spade]

got it comrade, Hadron didn't fuck me today

[frank ether]

nah its good

[slow spade]

:D

I can read good now 👍

[hearty panther]

Give Stripped Down a try if you use duck and dive, you can sprint forever straight into machine gun fire and then delete up close

[slow spade]

yeah running it on my melee build for the funny dakka

[hearty panther]

I do miss the move speed 😪

[slow spade]

made me make a damage focused one to see if I can do pre-patch 13 Vet again

same :c

[frank ether]

its what it is

[slow spade]

brb dropping Survivalist for the +5% speed aura UwU

[frank ether]

still good synergy for vet

[slow spade]

indeed, I'm really liking it so far

[hearty panther]

u just whip it back out when u get pinned and wheee

[slow spade]

might make a Columbus one just to mess with being able to aim

[frank ether]

its especially good on braced

cause brauto just kinda shit at range

unless you volley fire

[slow spade]

ikr, was able to kill a trapper before it netted me

made me shit myself

[frank ether]

so stripped down and then you just close the gap to gunners

easy

[slow spade]

using Deadshot for that sniper counterfire

so far only had to facetank 2 sniper shots 💪

[frank ether]

that works great for iags

[slow spade]

(I've only used for 1 map)

[frank ether]

braced not accurate enough

I mean I guess on the plus side

you dont really have to brace it

[slow spade]

non-sense I only had to tank 2 sniper shots to kill one

clearly that's fine UwU

[frank ether]

💀

[slow spade]

I got the funny toughness though so not that bad

[frank ether]

deadshot braced would be strong

if bracing itself was worth it

[karmic musk]

What's the most 'accurate' bauto?

[frank ether]

they're all kinda inaccurate

[slow spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/736281485824229388/1168895279714545744/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.10.25_-_21.25.42.06.mov?ex=655ca80f&is=654a330f&hm=409093847ab84dc529c008805aeec0df9054ec237cc575cafc776b48c39c0026&

got the funny toughness so facetanking isn't as stupid as it sounds (its still stupid)

not my video but similar in idea

[karmic musk]

Funny Shotguns don't have Stripped Down

[slow spade]

ironic considering how aggressive you have to be with them

[karmic musk]

Hmm Columnus and Graia braced auto seems very similar

[shy rose]

did you use plugins in that on too?

[slow spade]

Graia apparently got the short end of the stick

[forest blaze]

Kek

[karmic musk]

Graia supposed to be the super high fire rate but it has same mag size as Columnus braced lmao

[slow spade]

indeed

[pulsar drift]

Damn I didn’t know ammo return for revolver is this good

[slow spade]

if it had more suppression or stagger, it'd have its own role

but it just feels bad to use imo

[pulsar drift]

Barely need to take any ammo

[slow spade]

yeah a good pierce shot can unironically pay back more ammo than used

[soft solstice]

well damn, I decided to build up a power sword on my second veteran and the game decided to put PC4 on it, would have been sick if Malk didn't have one a few days ago

[shy rose]

Imagine being able to aim

Agripina braced autogun and brrrrrr

[karmic musk]

Also can they make their design names consistent?
Braced Auto: Graia is fastest fire rate
Infantry Auto: Columnus is fastest fire rate
Meanwhile Agripinaa is always the highest damage slow fire rate gun

[soft solstice]

i tend to think accuracy with agripinaa

[karmic musk]

aight have a Deathspitter + Stripped Down columnus braced auto ready to go

Now here's hoping I dont get another 3 members who have no long range weapons

[runic axle]

Anyone else worried by the keystone preview?

[karmic musk]

can't be worse than current so nope

inb4 fatshark

[runic axle]

Oh it can be

Only infiltrator keystone is decent and they absolutely cut something on the way to keystones

[midnight mortar]

I'm just bracing myself for the Monkey's Paw to curl all its fingers as Fatshark uses it once again.

[runic axle]

I'm afraid they might have made veteran real weak unless they combine some nodes into 1

[midnight mortar]

They're really good at it.

[runic axle]

Infiltrator is incredibly good tho. Just grab your stub revolver, shoot someone once every 10 seconds and then go crazy with melee

[karmic musk]

The tag key node should have just given you the ability to tag more than one

and have VT2 Witch Hunter +10% damage on it

[eager ravine]

Hey has anyone noticed that the Penance "Resupply Allies" is broken right now? I have been running the resupply aura and the penance hasnt been ticking up. I bet its because of ability rename

[runic axle]

Can tag up to 3 enemies. Tagged enemies receive more damage (up to +25%) based on how long they're alive after being marked

Here, made it for them

[karmic musk]

like no shot I'm going to "save" my tag for that one target

Already using it to highlight my own shots

[runic axle]

Same, especially on the Sniper Modifier when they're shooting you in auric from another dimension through fog

[karmic musk]

Been broken since patch 13

[eager ravine]

damn

[karmic musk]

Wait "next week" for the fix

[serene sage]

when is next week?

[icy stirrup]

next 7-58 business days

[smoky lark]

I wonder how the tag tree is going to work out for me when I use a keyboard macro to tag everything I aim at every half second

probably badly

[karmic musk]

Isnt this the same as binding tag to left click?

[midnight mortar]

Tagging based builds VS High Intensity Shock Gauntlet Auric Damnation/Maelstrom

[smoky lark]

yes but with the slight difference that you're not shooting daemonhosts to tag them :p

[midnight mortar]

I really don't know how they're going to make tagging work when special/elite density is so high in those modes.

[smoky lark]

I think it's meant to be an anti monstruosity power

[midnight mortar]

Then that's even more useless considering monstrosities in this game as they currently stand are much less threatening than the horde they can be paired with.

[karmic musk]

Maybe one of the nodes is going to be, tag moves to another target once target dies

[faint forge]

Have the devs said anything about fixing the Resupply Allies Penance getting fixed?

[midnight mortar]

No.

Other than acknowledging the bug on the forums.

[smoky lark]

Heeeh In auric Maelstrom i wouldnt say no to 30% more damage on the monsters

especially when you can get several at a time

[midnight mortar]

several at a time

Monstrosities?

Several monstrosities at a time?

[smoky lark]

yeah blessing of nurgle does that

I think

happens quite often

[midnight mortar]

Oh auric maels

Sorry, I misread.

[smoky lark]

but then again, seems to me the other two trees seem much, much more powerful

[midnight mortar]

Even then, "saving" tags for that just doesn't feel like a major impact.

[karmic musk]

Idk the Marksman tree is not for Marksman weapons

[smoky lark]

the focus one is literally a 100% bonus to crit damage all the time if you have a gun that spams weakspots

even if you run around

[midnight mortar]

It just feels like you're hyperspecializing against one particular enemy.

[smoky lark]

the melee vet one is just plain good.

[karmic musk]

If I have Headhunter or Helbore, idc about Finesse

[smoky lark]

even for non melee vets.

[midnight mortar]

Yeah the finesse boost is strange for "marksman" vet.

[karmic musk]

But its going to work for Laspistols/Revolver lmao

[midnight mortar]

Most of the bigger DMR type weapons and accurate single shot rifles don't rely on crits to kill.

Or if they do

They already have inbuilt ways of building it via blessings.

[karmic musk]

I mean the issue is you already kill on crit/headshot with those weapons anyways

[midnight mortar]

Which makes more finesse power redundant.

[opal obsidian]

uh

[karmic musk]

Should have just made it a simple "Weak Spot kills grant +X% power to range weapons for X seconds. Stacks X times."

[opal obsidian]

resupply alies 5000 ammo quest doesn't work ?

[midnight mortar]

Yeah. I bet they were thinking they never wanted a repeat of the old Volley Fire so any direct damage increases would be too strong?

But fishing for crits is fine even though the mileage for crits is pretty binary.

[midnight mortar]

Yes. It's been bugged since patch 13.

[opal obsidian]

great...

I want that goggle

sadge

[midnight mortar]

No, Fatshark hasn't fixed it. Yes, they know it exists according to the forums.

[karmic musk]

Hallowette is waiting for your Aquilas

[midnight mortar]

Yep.

It's kinda funny how having the cosmetics penances bugged actually works in Fatshark's favor.

Since it'd drive people to maybe purchase Aquilas.

[lofty mortar]

I

Am

[midnight mortar]

Wouldn't surprise me if that's why they've just let them sit for so long.

[lofty mortar]

FREE

[midnight mortar]

And also why they still haven't added in the cosmetics from the launch trailer.

[runic axle]

Pants are from the bundle, but still the Penance set kinda sucks, wish it had a visor.

[midnight mortar]

Oh you mean the one in the game files?

[karmic musk]

Visors are forbidden

[midnight mortar]

🤣

There's a proper Kasrkin esque one.

[karmic musk]

See the new Steel Legion helmet, gas filtered up but eyes are exposed

[midnight mortar]

Exactly.

Fucking monkey's paw.

They add a filter tube but then move the goggles off.

Meanwhile the Krieg set doesn't have a filter tube.

It's hilarious.

[karmic musk]

Immeasurably complex to implement sorry

[midnight mortar]

Many such cases.

😢

[runic axle]

Wait, what? I thought all the visored Kasrkin ones were edited, at least that's what all the people who posted similar ones said

[valid apex]

So what do we think about the vet keystones?

[runic axle]

What I really wish for is that Squad Leader Torso armor for Veteran with Plasteel that has duster aesthetic

[midnight mortar]

Nope.

Expect this to cost 1400 Aquilas or something if they ever decide to add it.

[runic axle]

Paint the helmet black with the golden skull and it's perfect

[karmic musk]

2100 Aquilas

[runic axle]

I just argued with the guy in general. He said that Ping Keystone is good because it's more interactive while acknowledging that a stupid 5% flat damage filler nodes are better

[midnight mortar]

argued in general

First mistake.

[runic axle]

Fair

[midnight mortar]

Don't go to general.

[slow spade]

2401 aquillas just in case someone saved their pre-order aquillas UwU

[karmic musk]

More like arguing on the internet. Pointless

[runic axle]

It was 2500 for the Imperial Edition

So 2501

[slow spade]

I personally think the ping keystone is just going to be a heavy point tax

[runic axle]

It's not worth getting it

[slow spade]

minor error

I will head to the penitence pyre :c

[slow spade]

I hope its the next Voice of Command

[runic axle]

Going down to the bottom for something so shitty instead of branching to the infiltrator sides like most do right now

Just doesn't seem good

[slow spade]

where it looks shit until Fatshark buffs the fuck out of it

[runic axle]

Tbh the 45 second Voice wasn't bad at all

[slow spade]

it was in its base form

[valid apex]

Lol

[slow spade]

which was what I meant

[runic axle]

It has a 6 second lowered cooldown talent right after it

[valid apex]

I’m just concerned about what they did with what we get our current power from.

If the bottom middle cluster is spread out all over…it’s gonna suck ass

[slow spade]

"Veterans had it good for too long. Confirmed Kill, Tactical Awareness, Voice of Command, and Survivalist are all removed"

[karmic musk]

I'm more concerned where they put Iron Will and Confirmed Kill

[runic axle]

AHAKthg

A fucking spider just dropped from the ceiling on my table

[slow spade]

Nurgle assassin

[karmic musk]

Where's your flamer?

[runic axle]

I used the holy writing to purge it

[slow spade]

all I'm saying is all this ruined debris and no spiders?

[dusk jacinth]

who has da uhh

[slow spade]

seems sus

[dusk jacinth]

cadia guardsman with the combat rig

thats not ingame yet

i wanan look at dat again

[runic axle]

I wonder who the hell was creating the keystones

[slow spade]

Fatshark UwU

[dusk jacinth]

i hate fatshark!

[slow spade]

Fatshark molested my build :c

brb sueing

[runic axle]

You have the "Stand in place endulging in the worst behavior Stance veterans have", "Be an idiot and don't ping for the whole game until you see a crusher" and "Actually fun and useful"

[slow spade]

Camo Expert Vet, Normal Vet, Competent Vet

what's your point? UwU

covers all the Vet roles

[hearty panther]

I see what the left one is going for and I am intruiged

[runic axle]

My point is infiltrator keystone is the only one worth considering the talent point investment

[karmic musk]

Hey what if the Marksman Focus subnode "Grant 90% threat reduction on Weak Spot kill"

[dapper vessel]

I'm just hoping Iron will and confirmed kill isn't reordered in a way making the point investment fucking ridiculous

[runic axle]

At that point just integrate the ranged immunity from one of the weapon blessings into it

[dapper vessel]

Like yeah dude let's put the stam regen delay reduction nodes on opposite ends of each other

[slow spade]

31 point investment

[hearty panther]

Tbf .5s stam delay is insane

[slow spade]

considering you also have the +30% stam from dodging node too

[dapper vessel]

God it would've made melee vet even more enticing

[runic axle]

The infiltrator keystone is just about that

[dapper vessel]

What I hate is downright boring the other 2 auras are

[runic axle]

Take out revolver, shoot someone, go back to enhanced melee

[slow spade]

you'd probably also pick up Deadshot so the stamin delay would get a lot of use too

such is life

[dapper vessel]

No one has ever seriously said that the 3%damage aura or the movement speed is worth picking

[potent iris]

I have

[dapper vessel]

Even if it's to reach a node faster

[potent iris]

I was seriously lying but still

[slow spade]

Chain axe with Revved Up Blessing + 5% Speed + all sprint cost reductions

[potent iris]

I said it seriously

[slow spade]

got to go fast UwU

[dapper vessel]

Like they made the single MOST important aura for Vet

Then come up with something that can be chalked up to a quick brainstorming session

On what the other 2 should be

[runic axle]

Speed Aura could be somewhat useful if you stack it, but survivalist stacked gives you infinite ammo pretty much

[dapper vessel]

Yes

[potent iris]

More like “ah fuck it lol lmao”

[dapper vessel]

With how dense elites and specials are now

[slow spade]

brb going into an Auric Maelstrom with Fire Team UwU

[dapper vessel]

This applies to the current vet tree

25 TRAVEL NODES BRO

[slow spade]

I still find it funny Patch 13 and 14 said that Elite spawns were reduced

[dapper vessel]

WE LOVE SUPPRESSION DEALT 5%

[slow spade]

its 25% now 💅

[dapper vessel]

It would've been useful had it actually worked

Or rather that the usage for it is not ALWAYS be trumped by players just... Killing things

[slow spade]

what do you mean? you can suppress those ragers 25% faster now UwU

[potent iris]

Honestly every tree has a ton of nodes that are absolute Garbo filler. Vet’s is just the most egregious

[dapper vessel]

It is

So the vet keystone I took a look

And I'm only excited for the right most keystone

[slow spade]

I hope they keep the funny +33% crit per stack

[dapper vessel]

Not only you gain crit chance bonus for simply gaining melee kills

[runic axle]

As someone said it must be a multiplicative thing. So it's not gonna guarantee a crit but more likely increase it on the weapon with a base chance of 10% to like 33/43

[dapper vessel]

Pair it with the revolver that can reach up to 25% crit bonus

If it's stacks additively

[slow spade]

smh assuming its not the Fatshark quality

too optimistic

[dapper vessel]

That's a free 58% crit chance for a quick revolver shot

And surgical gives a 10% crit chance for when you just start aiming

Kekw

This is assuming everything is additive

[dapper vessel]

[modern dome]

AINT NO WAY THEY MADE AN OFFICIAL JOHN DARKTIDE

[fathom edge]

does this have a duration?

[midnight mortar]

Never tested it. Go into the psykhanium and look for a buff icon.

[fathom edge]

id have to spend to do it

dont have it on anything

[lavish rose]

Use the psykanium loadout config mod

[slender turtle]

most used name

[modern dome]

I deadass wish I could change my name so I could become john darktide now

Although the one i use now (Mandella) is fine too, its a reference to one of my fav sci fi novels

[grizzled shale]

when the mauler really wants that lil booty hole of yours

[fathom edge]

it does have a duration, and its either 4 or 5 seconds, and its rather stingy about giving a stack as it seems to only be granted on the special damage, not a bleed or any other damage

[finite imp]

I wonder if they plan to add new blessings

[modern dome]

Might be a few in the update

If not though Im still happy

[fleet drift]

Did the Veteran just get Tau marker light as keystone talent?

[raw steppe]

5s i believe

It's pretty bad

It used to be "after a special kill all attacks are crits for 5s"

But that was nerfed

[bleak plume]

I've been dying to get a run n gun revolver since I havent seen a single once since day one, and I finally got one!

I mean it's situational as hell but pretty damn fun

Nothing beats popping out of stealth and erasing a reaper from the game

[halcyon pivot]

wow can blink

[restive mountain]

What...?

I don't speak lore nerd.

What does this mean?

[sharp brook]

Friendship ended with recon gun. Kantrael MG IV is my new best friend.

What blessings are good for MgIV?

[fleet drift]

One of the New keystone make target that you mark get more damage done to it

[restive mountain]

Yeah I know that.

I was refering to the Tau Marker comment.

[slow spade]

smh not knowing what Marker Lights are

brb putting the Valkyrie's Light on you UwU

[kindred wagon]

got this from melk's, was it worth

[mellow grove]

blessings check stats check perks maniacs is nice

aint too shabby

[kindred wagon]

what should i swap the ranged crit hit dmg for?

unyielding?

[mellow grove]

maybe unyielding or carapace

the emperor finally blessed me

[faint forge]

I have a Mark VII headhunter. Blessings are good but my perks are 8% Crit damage and 20% Carapace. Recos on replacing one?

[mellow grove]

maniac and unyielding ?

is what I usually run with most autoguns so imma assume the same with the headhunter

[faint forge]

Cool, thanks!

[restive mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/psycho-gif-20288496

[trail knot]

here is your new tree

[slow spade]

brb spamming Skyrays

[restive mountain]

I swear you're making stuff p

[brave egret]

where are people getting this new tree from?

[narrow dock]

cut from video i guess

speaking of which

[narrow dock]

looking at it we seem to lost a lot of toughness and stamina bonuses :\

[frank ledge]

marksmannfocus will cause issues already

[karmic musk]

This Stripped Down Blessing just makes me want to use Run n Gun with it

[junior needle]

I'm incredibly unimpressed by what they did

[frank ledge]

One of the keystones will be painful

as if we needed more encouragement for vets to stay behind

[gilded rock]

Good gun? What should I change about it

[mellow grove]

falter with surgical and groaners/pox to maniac\

[frank ledge]

because it's 12 shots and more accurate

[gilded rock]

Real, thx

[terse idol]

Cause it aint the fovus

[gilded rock]

Figured falter seemed bad, in the psykhanium it didn't even stagger the enemies that it couldn't before, like nothing changed xd

Anyone know if shout revive counts towards Up and at 'Em penance?

[narrow dock]

p sure it does

tho u literally gotta stay byside fallen peeps cuz range is like 5 meters xd

[halcyon pivot]

when update

[narrow dock]

in november ✌🏻

[halcyon pivot]

gonna enjoy veteran before keystone

[gilded rock]

You have to stay close to them while they're reviving for it to count? That sounds odd

Thank you

[narrow dock]

nah, to revive them with skill at all i mean

that passive cuts down range of shour like to half

(even tho it says 33% there iirc)

[gilded rock]

Ohh, I've never had that problem and I play like a rabid dog on vet

[restive mountain]

November 17th folks.

[gilded rock]

I play veteran like a second zealot, who's just better at ranged xd

[narrow dock]

funny they made zealot look like sniper with those PC skins

[restive mountain]

Yeah alot of people are bitching

That zealot got the sniper looking hood

And we got...

Well a gimp mask

[narrow dock]

bald head with another gasmask

[restive mountain]

I'm just waiting for the backpack

[narrow dock]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-more-time-gif-4816107

[restive mountain]

The armor looks shit

[gilded rock]

Tbf, almost all of zealot headpieces are either cheesy or look like kink apparel

[restive mountain]

Mainly cause it a recolor

Of what we already have

Actually

I posted earlier

Alot of unreleased zealot stuff

They're getting circlets

[gilded rock]

REAL

[restive mountain]

And they have a massive ass book

As a backpack

Vet has a tempestus scions backpack

[tall torrent]

That’s from the trailer

[restive mountain]

It's in the code too

As a wearable.

The title are characters you see

All are wearing unique armors

[shut vector]

replace falter with surgical and groaner with 25% bonus damage of some sort, your choice

[tall torrent]

I just want the cover art veteran helmet with that gas mask

[restive mountain]

It just got updated recently

The leather part is no longer brown

And now it has flavor text

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s black now

[restive mountain]

Yeah

[delicate moat]

i love brunt i love brunt

[restive mountain]

That's a yikes.

Hard yikes even.

[delicate moat]

i just want sunder, how hard can it be

[narrow dock]

power sword with no cleave

gimme knoife with stats like this one tho

[tall torrent]

I’m just slowly collecting stickers for hadron

5/5, 5/5, 6/6, 4/7 rn for power swords

[restive mountain]

Been playing since beta

Not once have I seen a T4 Power Cycler

Pain

[delicate moat]

lol, lmao even

sir milk sells shit too

[restive mountain]

Yeah

But key word there

Everything he sells is shit

And not once has he sold any sword with t4 cycler

Been a whole damn year

And it's the only T4 blessing I'm missing

[acoustic wyvern]

bahahahah

[restive mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-man-middle-finger-smile-gif-14802804

[gilded cobalt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/672614132662403073/1173124970436632637/image.png?ex=6562d0c4&is=65505bc4&hm=388bdb0d6603b4849ea6263578ce7be01c019f605947ed0f40e60ef7f5b418af&

just got my veteran to 30

what do I want to do to this

[flint lake]

Take a look at the announced keystones but you’ll likely want to swap shattering for Blaze Away and Crit chance for maniac.

[gilded cobalt]

ty!

[austere mica]

how's this for a plasma gun

[faint forge]

Best recommended melee for horde clear on Vet?

[spark arrow]

nothing chops through hordes faster than a power sword. though tbh nothing we have kills faster than a power sword in general

[serene sage]

Power Sword

if it's just horde then either 3 or 6

[midnight mortar]

The best option is the power sword.

[serene sage]

6 can also kill armored

[midnight mortar]

Both the mk3 and 6 are effective.

[serene sage]

if you are into that

[midnight mortar]

The 6 can also kill armored via the same push attack method.

The differences in TTK are fairly negligible.

Maybe .3-.5 seconds.

[spark arrow]

but power swords are momentum weapons and will get you killed. if you're behind the action they can be a liability. as long as you stay ahead they're amazing. if your on the defensive they can and will get you killed

[midnight mortar]

What do you mean? The activation animation doesn't take that long.

[hollow turtle]

That Marksman's Focus keystone looks niche

[spark arrow]

you lose it when you get hit. dodge distance sucks. slow run. bad block efficiency (on the 3 at least) etc etc

without charging up its bad. dealing with multiple ragersit the perfect example of what im talking about

with an axe you can go slow and chain stun them safely without support

with a PS i hope you have a super or a grenade or someone is watching your back

[midnight mortar]

Well, if someone is using a psword and making uncharged attacks at ragers they'd earn their death yeah.

The whole reason you'd run a power sword is because energized attacks stagger ragers out of their animation.

[spark arrow]

as long as they're not on top of you already right? thats what i mean

assuming you get a surprise rager party from behind. besides blocking with a PS you dont have a lot of options.

[restive mountain]

Best method when using the damned things is to learn good dodge movement

Or learn to pop stealth when you're in over your head

[late hatch]

esp with the crazy surprise spawns. i was off a ledge and no enemies around, my duo ran over to res me, the instant he started the anim to pull me up the game spawned a big squad right on top of us.
game trolls you, you can check your 6 and an instant later there can be enemies there that are impossible spawns

[spark arrow]

ive seen spawns show up behind me literally out of thin air. no doorway, no sound effects. just poof, middle of the street. rager/crusher party from nothing

those are the situations where a knife or an axe or a dclaw are generally more useful than a PS. with those (knife and dclaw specifically) you can dance around the baddies and run back to a safer location and begin cleaning house. with the PS you just dont have the mobility to get out and your damage is high but not enough to delete so many big bodies quick enough and you get got

that situation WILL happen in auric damnations. if your team isnt on top of it right away its a wipe, and if you want to carry you need to be able to survive it reliably, solo

[restive mountain]

You do get an audio cue

When someone is either about to shoot or melee you.

[low oar]

haha audio overload

[quasi glade]

Surely this will roll well

[frank ledge]

Not if your game has an audio leak

[quasi glade]

surely

[frank ledge]

[restive mountain]

That's just on you paying attention then

[frank ledge]

I love game freezes duo to audio

[restive mountain]

[acoustic wyvern]

[frank ledge]

Atleast it's rare enough

[restive mountain]

I've been fucked over when I know I had a audio bug

And will admit I died cause I just didn't pay attention

[frank ledge]

and it's solved by just restart

[late hatch]

yes but the backstab sound doesnt help when its a big stack all over you and you are stuck against a railing trying to pull up a team mate

[restive mountain]

I dunno what most people use in here.

But alot of these bad plays can be remedied.

By just using stealth.

Having the AI get off your back for 6 seconds is beyond valuable.

[gilded cobalt]

when I get power cycler 4 Ill put that on there, but do I want to swap carapace out for anything?

Ive been level 30 for less then an hour and Im pretty much set on veteran lol

[late hatch]

you shouldnt have to run a specific build to avoid the game spawning enemies ON TOP of you when you go to help a team mate up from a railing

[restive mountain]

I mean if you're playing auric maelstrom

You're willingly playing a difficulty a majority of the community knows is a broken shit show

[dusk jacinth]

god the amount of disablers this game spawns is fucking annoying

[restive mountain]

And that's what makes it fun to play.

[dusk jacinth]

no its not

fuck you

[hollow turtle]

Lol there's his Xbox username for everyone to see.

[dusk jacinth]

im gonna explode your HOUSE

[restive mountain]

Jokes on you

[frank ledge]

It's free ammo

[restive mountain]

I live in a apartment

[dusk jacinth]

fake house

still counts

[restive mountain]

Fair enough.

[dusk jacinth]

not when they spawn 30 times at once!!

[frank ledge]

it is

[dusk jacinth]

np

no

u not killing 30 trappers at once pal

[frank ledge]

they still give ammo when shot

[low oar]

Yeah but what if no one has survivalist

[restive mountain]

Then you leave the lobby

Who the hell doesn't run survivalist?

[frank ledge]

That's just a your team is full of kark and refuses the only acceptable aura

[low oar]

karkers

[dusk jacinth]

ill never lobby dodge..

[restive mountain]

I will

[dusk jacinth]

ill suffer in silence and complain on the darktide discord

[next hound]

for an IAG vet, should I shoot for Onslaught or Rending Strikes?

[frank ledge]

People that do 3 mental summersaults to justify "point expenditure"

[restive mountain]

I've given too much trust to level 40s-89s trying auric

[tall torrent]

Onslaught

[restive mountain]

Only for them to die in 4 minutes

Then rage quit

[hollow turtle]

I used to not run it because I was an efficient helbore with high crit chance. Then I played a round with 3 guys sucking up every ammo box with their columnus/shredders

[frank ledge]

My veteran is 52

[tall torrent]

Only take rending strikes if it helps you reach very specific breakpoints

[low oar]

Me when I'm tired and shit and mentally not there

[frank ledge]

Most of my game time is on psyker/zelaot

[next hound]

Awesome, thank you

[frank ledge]

gunpsyker is just veteran

but lamer

[restive mountain]

I don't get the mentality of people who join a auric and aren't prepared for bullshit.

[candid tundra]

what are the best perks and blessings on the shovel?

[low oar]

Plasma vet is just psyker

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike + decimator

[ruby totem]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-controversial-yet-so-brave-controversial-brave-gif-12046682

[candid tundra]

thanks lol

[flint lake]

The power sword is arguably the best but heavily blessing reliant. Power Cycler is a must and Slaughter is a close second. Personally, I think it's over hyped. Its great, definitely A+ tier but I feel its swing speed and reliance on its special activation holds it back from being the best for dealing with hoards. The Catchan Devil Claw probably takes home that prize but its not as versitile when it comes to fighting maulers and crushers in melee.

[frank ledge]

Counter argument
lsword

[restive mountain]

I mean nothing can be worse than Vets who throw smokes at hordes of pox walkers.

[low oar]

It's for a cooler entrance

[frank ledge]

vets that don't know that this is not a horde shooter and melee matters

[low oar]

Oh sorry. I thought I launched left for dead

My bad

[frank ledge]

"I will use my hh special on hordes as well as empty entire ammo boxes on em"

[austere mica]

I have never seen a smoke grenade

its been 80 hours

[restive mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/nixon-nixon-cringe-posting-cringe-posting-cringe-nixon-cod-zombies-gif-21043463

[low oar]

I use it on plasma vet in case there's just a wall of shooters

[restive mountain]

I've used smokes

When it's gunner hordes

Cause that's like the only time they work.

[midnight mortar]

Because most people figured out quickly that they are not comparable or better options than frags/kraks.

[restive mountain]

I actually agree

Tear gas over smokes would be fucking pog

[low oar]

It already brings me to tears

I can only justify smokes on plasma tbh just because you sorta need to close the gap without stealth

[restive mountain]

Ehhh

[low oar]

And I'm on volley fire

[restive mountain]

There's a few things smokes can do.

Like it can cause the assassination boss to freak out

And just run in circles

But you're gambling on that to happen

And if you stand in it, flamers, trappers, dogs, gunners won't shoot/pounce you

But that won't stop them from melee

The only thing I wish smokes worked on is snipers

[low oar]

I saw the code for snipers and smokes

Snipers just have wall hacks

[orchid condor]

what stats should i pay attention if i dont want my gun shoot up vertically?

[low oar]

And the LoS check first checks if the enemy has wall hacks , and then ignores all other effects like walls, cover, and smoke grenades

[mystic belfry]

The pull your mouse down stat :v

[restive mountain]

I mean that makes sense

[mystic belfry]

More seriously, stability usually

[restive mountain]

People have been saying snipers can track you through solid walls.

[mystic belfry]

They can, and you can get booped the second you turn a corner

But they don't always do it

[orchid condor]

i mean i pull down and understand recoil but bruh the sight AND the barrel look dorky af

[restive mountain]

This is why I always jiggle peak corners when I see that red laser

[low oar]

Yeah snipers can always see you

[mystic belfry]

You don't always see the laser is the problem, becuase it's on the other side of a wall

[low oar]

They ignore all LoS stoppers

[restive mountain]

Yeah

[restive mountain]

They've also reduced the brightness of their laser

[low oar]

Install wall hacks to even the playing field

[restive mountain]

So it's harder to notice if you're in the middle of a horde

[vague charm]

Should I go with 20% faster reload on revolver or 10% rending?

[mystic belfry]

reload probably

[frank ledge]

hp bars moment

[mystic belfry]

Revolver has good armor damage and you can get some rending from skills already, but it depends on if you're taking reload perks or not

So basically it depends

[frank ledge]

Oh snipers also occasionally spawn without a laser, as well as due to server hiccups may fire faster (visually for players)

not fixed since beta

[restive mountain]

Isn't that fun

Speaking of things being faster

I've noticed some enemies like pox walkers

Look like their attacks are being sped up mid swing

[frank ledge]

yep

server hiccups

[low oar]

That's just desync and ping

[frank ledge]

[mystic belfry]

I still find it funny that the critical stat on revolvers gives melee critical chance

[frank ledge]

Hiccups are just packet loss, which leads to desync

[vague charm]

oh what i could do is grab the rending but also grab this perk as well

[mystic belfry]

So you can uh... farm crits with pistol whipping, I guess?

[late hatch]

yeah like when a hound bunches up to leap at you and just sits there for a second then is already on you

[mystic belfry]

There's also tactical reload

[vague charm]

that was the 20% from earlier

only have 4 points to play with

[mystic belfry]

I'd generally take volley adept over tactical reload sure

[fathom edge]

is there much of any point in the 12 over the 1?

[restive mountain]

Someone posted a clip earlier

Of a Mauler just zipping forward

[mystic belfry]

How good rending is will depend more on your melee than it does your revolver tbh, but it doesn't hurt.

[low oar]

Mg1a is a joke

[restive mountain]

And double slamming the ground

[low oar]

Less damage and less ammo

Mg 4 is actually good

[hybrid river]

Mg Ia has higher dps than the 12 and better range than the 4

[low oar]

If you have an autoclicker 🙂

[hybrid river]

It’s the best infantry las imo

[low oar]

Yeah range isn't an issue in this game realistically

[hybrid river]

It is for the 4 lmao

[gilded cobalt]

I stand by the 12

Love clicking on heads with it

[hybrid river]

Shame it will be even further obsolete when hellguns are put in😔

[restive mountain]

Copium I tell you.

The Melta gun been cooking in the game's code since before the beta

And it's still there.

If not fully removed.

[mystic belfry]

Probably will get added via a dlc like they did with vermintide

[restive mountain]

Hopefully we get a grenade launcher

But I know what ain't ever happening.

[mystic belfry]

Apparently grenade launchers are too big for anyone but ogryns to hold

Forgot to make small ones

[restive mountain]

What...

There's human sized rotary nade launchers tho.

[mystic belfry]

Doesn't exist

[restive mountain]

Yes it does

It's literally in the 40k wiki