veteran-class

[zealous wyvern]

its just getting me killed

[serene sage]

which is good to me

[zealous wyvern]

honestly, it also ruins immersion

[pure ridge]

Maintaining stuff is what mods are for... That's their job. lol

[zealous wyvern]

it is like the world does not interact with you at all

[untold mulch]

🤷‍♂️

[serene sage]

then dont play zealot with tsbw ig

[zealous wyvern]

i basically do not play other classes

so yes

[junior needle]

Is it just me or are there even more vets just magdumping into melee chaffe for no reason lately

[serene pagoda]

to be honest i am finding alot of dificulties making builds for vet

i hope the rework fixes that

[zealous wyvern]

it is fun tbf

[serene pagoda]

my builds usually picks up as much team utility as possible.

[serene sage]

i do shoot horde but i don't mag dump

[spring spindle]

I’ve been playing Vet because I like to turn off my brain and shoot automatic gun

[serene sage]

usually i get like 5-6 kills with one bullet

it's worth

[zealous wyvern]

killing heretics is good

[junior needle]

What gun

Shooting to kill an elite/special is fine

[grim walrus]

A Hellgun would be lovely, but I also want to see a weapon such as the Triplex pattern Lasgun.
Maybe we can even have the Kalibrav V-1 pattern Lasrifle

[forest blaze]

Seeing people shoot melee hordes drives me nuts. I use plas, so I normally will put one shot towards some shooters to suppress them or make them flee cover. Outside of that, gun is for specials

[junior needle]

Shooting to not have to melee is not

[serene sage]

Bolter

I only shoot if the horde is not in melee range

[junior needle]

[serene sage]

usually with a 15 bullet mag

5 for horde is okay

[forest blaze]

Frag grenades are my ranged horde clear 😂

[unkempt lagoon]

I just remembered, I think Ogryn has a penance to kill a corruptor eye with Box of grenades, and that it isnt working This penance is working

[lilac eagle]

Bolter is really good against hordes tho. Like outside of throwing a nade, Vet has very few options for stunning a large group of enemies

Fire a couple bolter shots and the entire horde is staggered

[brazen ocean]

no its box of grenades that you do it with

[serene sage]

there is a difference between selected firing into horde vs mag dumping

[junior needle]

[lilac eagle]

Mag dumping is fun

[serene sage]

a few bullet into thick clumps

is okay

[unkempt lagoon]

So its working then?

[serene sage]

1 bullet for 1 pox walker is not

[junior needle]

Still questionable if you don't need to do it

[zealous wyvern]

a pox walker is worth any amount of bullets as long as it dies

[brazen ocean]

yes but it has to be the original one not the one that explodes afaik and you also need teammates to piss off lol

[unkempt lagoon]

Riight okay my bad, good to know tho

[lilac eagle]

Honestly I barely use my melee as vet, even when I run bolter I can fairly comfortably last the whole match without running out of ammo

[untold mulch]

I only shoot at hordes when

a) full of ammo and want to get the heat off a struggling teammate

B)someone got disabled and I am hauling ass there to minimize their damage

[serene sage]

sure but for example, in the torrent elevator defense, the horde spawns from the far side of the platform

[forest blaze]

I just use frag grenades and charge up my power sword. No sense wasting ammo on hordes.

[serene sage]

it's okay to shoot a few bullets as long as you are not low/have time to reload for the eltie/special wave

[spring spindle]

As a Vet main. There is only one cosmetic set I want and am thinking about

These

[serene sage]

space marines looking ass

[midnight mortar]

Tempestus Scion sets. My pipe dream.

Even more of a dream than a hellgun.

[lilac eagle]

Changing power sword from 3 swings to 1 made me lose interest

[candid fable]

Tempestus cooler than space marines tbh

[forest blaze]

Power cycler noises

[untold mulch]

Mah bois

[spring spindle]

For the other classes? I wouldn’t care if they did the same as Krieg and gave them a set. But that alone for Vet would make me so happy

[zealous wyvern]

wow owowow wo wowowo

[untold mulch]

🤝

[zealous wyvern]

look at that

[midnight mortar]

No bias.

[lilac eagle]

Fatshark foaming at the mouth because a chainsword isn't smaller than a butter knife

[zealous wyvern]

i would love to have one of those on my squad

[untold mulch]

I need a hellgun

[lilac eagle]

It's called the Recon las

[untold mulch]

I need to show the heretics what happens when we have a budget

[lilac eagle]

Functionally identical lmao

[untold mulch]

[unkempt lagoon]

Budget? is that something ogryn can throw?

[junior needle]

You mean the bridge defense? Can have someone (or multiple) melee the choke and others can shoot things that are justified to be shooting.

[untold mulch]

Yeahhh no

[lilac eagle]

How isn't it lmao

[untold mulch]

He doesnt know

[midnight mortar]

He doesn't know

[forest blaze]

Recon lasgun is nothing close to a hellgun

[lilac eagle]

Hotshot Las and Hellgun are so similiar

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-question-marks-what-excuse-me-huh-gif-19938846

[midnight mortar]

Neither of which are the recon lasguns.

[lilac eagle]

And Recon is basically just Hotshot

[serene sage]

that and the assassination platform too
point is shooting horde is okay in certain situation.
the "never shoot horde" advice shouldn't be taken literally

[untold mulch]

Wtf

[candid fable]

One day we'll get long las

Maybe

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[untold mulch]

Not at all

[lilac eagle]

Explain it then

[untold mulch]

Recon is literally almost oppositr

Hellgun are somewhat heavy and piece ceramite

[junior needle]

Isn't hotshot baseline like a regular infantry lasgun with boosted power, and the hotshot volley gun is the gatling laser?

[midnight mortar]

Nah here https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hot-Shot_Lasgun

Look it up yourself friend.

[forest blaze]

For real

[lilac eagle]

??? Every depiction I've seen of Hotshot Las and Hellguns is a machine gun Las

[forest blaze]

No

[lilac eagle]

Not some ultra slow shooting sniper

[untold mulch]

It fires like that

But its more

[midnight mortar]

There's far more to it than "oh shoot fast".

The article is right there friendo.

I've spoonfed you practically.

[forest blaze]

Recon lasgun is the .22 semi auto thing you give your kids to practice shooting frogs

[lilac eagle]

Tbh I really don't care. Its just kind of amusing watching you all lose your minds

[junior needle]

Even if the recons weren't perpetually in a dumpster tier balance, they'd be more like assault rifles to the volley guns gatling laser

[midnight mortar]

Ah so you were only pretending.

It's ok to admit that reading is hard.

[spring spindle]

So hot shot shoots slow. But it’s a “fuck everything” beam

[forest blaze]

I mean yah. There’s no judgments for just being wrong

[lilac eagle]

Love it when people instantly assume this

[junior needle]

Depends, the tabletop version also has reduced ranged (I assume this is for balance purposes)

[untold mulch]

Some variants shoot fast with lesser individual hit

But yeah, they are made to Actually hurt stuff

[midnight mortar]

I'd ask for you to be more clear in what you mean, but since you want others to do your work for you I'll just infer what you actually meant.

[untold mulch]

It was changed last edition back to same range as lasguns

[lilac eagle]

So far the only thing I'm hearing Recon lacks is damage

[untold mulch]

Volley guns are now 30"

[midnight mortar]

I thought you didn't care though?

Come on.

If you care, the lexicanum article is right up there.

[serene sage]

BOLTER SWAP SPEED NEXT PATCH

IM NUTTING

AGGGGGGGGGGGG

[junior needle]

Neat, I always thought that was weird that a more powerful laser (not due to focusing but actual power difference) had a shorter range

[midnight mortar]

Wait really?

[lilac eagle]

I don't but I've also got 20 minutes left on my bus journey

[untold mulch]

On god fr?

[midnight mortar]

No fucking way.

[serene sage]

i mean from the talent

[midnight mortar]

Oh.

How could you do this to me.

[untold mulch]

I think it was so Scions couldnt Rapid Fire after a deep strike

Imo, kinda missing the point

Scion playstyle is either you won at tjrn2

Or you are saying gg

Tbf not many are ballsy enougy to make a tempestus only list

[midnight mortar]

From what I know of tabletop, it's just not as reliable/safe.

[untold mulch]

Yeah, it isnt

Though Volley guns are now RF2

With luck either Part 2 of patch, or early 2024 we get Hellgun finally 🙏

[bleak tendon]

I CAN WITCH HUNTER CAPTAIN NOW

BLESS THIS RAVAGED BODY

[untold mulch]

Hopefully people now tag shit

[lilac heron]

Ugh

[junior needle]

Given the helbores are taking up basically the entire hellgun design space, it's probably more likely the volley gun will come sooner

[lilac heron]

Those keystones look garbage

[untold mulch]

Both are good for me

[serene sage]

the right side one is busted

[untold mulch]

Volley Gun is just Hellgun but bigger

[junior needle]

And rapid fire

at least in game

[gritty mirage]

i just hope they dont move the talent tree around too much, im super comfy with my current build

[untold mulch]

Some hellgun are rapid fire too, but lore is now a mess with that

[lilac heron]

Why cant we just get a keystone to shoot better. None of those are good for boltor or plasma

[flint lake]

The Crit is likely multiplicative but the versatility is very welcomed.

[lilac heron]

Ogryns and zealots have straightforward but different keystones

[gritty mirage]

bolter needs a buff, but plasmas fine as is atm

[serene sage]

I think the right side has swap speed

[lilac heron]

We get this super niche keystone

[serene sage]

Bolter with swap speed will be busted

[untold mulch]

Hopefully the subnodes makes the Keystones better looking

[serene sage]

Plasma is already so good

idk why you want more buff on it

[bleak tendon]

We don't know their modifiers, could be some crazy shit

[serene sage]

Bolter can probably get help from talents

[flint lake]

All of them are good for plasma, bolter is well suited to the marksman’s focus.

[bleak tendon]

Like maybe one that gives a guaranteed crit after tagged enemy death

[untold mulch]

Yeah, imma reserve final judgement to that

[flint lake]

The bolter is best used as a semi automatic rifle right now anyways.

[serene sage]

yeah but it can also be a revolver type weapon

if the swap speed is good

Bolter CQC if it is out is unmatched by anything

the amount of stagger, dps, armor piercing is just so high

and it has more bullets than revolver

the only thing holding it back is the horrendeous swap speed which might be really good with taltent support

[flint lake]

And it’s instability

And unmodified ammo consumption

[serene sage]

that already got buffedthis patch. hipfire and ads reocil were both reduced significantly

[umbral scaffold]

Deadshot any good to take? the stam regen is kinda slow, so it seems hard to use

[junior needle]

Lexicanum is describing as an extreme high rof weapon, so that seems to imply it's uniquely suited for firing very fast. Which is exactly what I'd like as a gatling laser enthusiast.

[junior needle]

Highly dependent on the gun but can be very good

[flint lake]

A +3 stam curio and Duck n Dive solve any issues.

[untold mulch]

Oh, Volley Guns yeah all of them are probably made to fire fast

In the Hotshot/hellgun debate is where it gets muddy

[unkempt lagoon]

Okay so I've been curious about hotshot/hellguns, and I read that Lexicanum article and I don't really understand how it's different. I understand the external power source allows it to be more powerful and produce a 'more penetrative shot' but it doesn't get more specific than that. Are there any examples of how much more powerful hellguns are, or how they perform differently?

[umbral scaffold]

Alright, yeah lucky i rolled a +3 stam curio from melks randoms just now haha

[untold mulch]

DoW puts hellgun as machinegun like

And now new art of Scions put Hotshots as single shot but hard hitting

In novel I think is just whatever the writer was smoking that day

[unkempt lagoon]

DoW? But thanks, that clears it up

[junior needle]

From what I’ve read the two terms are now interchangeable and mean the same thing

[untold mulch]

Dawn Of War, the strategy games

[unkempt lagoon]

ahh

[silk finch]

how does Rending work ? is it just Armour pen

[untold mulch]

THere is Kasrkin troops that carry hellguns

and well

pew pew pew pew

[serene sage]

yeah
basically if you have 60% damage reduction versus carapace, now you only have 50% damage reduction with 10% rending

[strong star]

They are like lucius, but DAKKA.

[serene sage]

how would you balance the gun though

[hearty panther]

Rending used to be a blackbox but now it's ... still confusing but still makes sense once you learn it.

[silk finch]

but there is also a Knife blessing that has 120% rending ? but whats the point in going over 100% ?

[hearty panther]

Yeah ok so

[untold mulch]

Honestly I think they are gonna go for full auto

because in Darktide, the las weapons only have Recon as full auto

and Lucius hits uncharacteristically hard charged up

[serene sage]

you do more damage? at a lowered rate

[silk finch]

right so it works like that

[serene sage]

anything beyond 100% gives you 25% value

[silk finch]

they go into negative armour kinda ?

[hearty panther]

If your weapon has 120% pen against flak and 60% against carapace as default, every stack of rending (4% per stack) will increase the damage agaisnt carapace by 4%, and against flak by 1%

[serene sage]

so 110% give you 102.5% increased damage

[serene sage]

yeah but with diminished value. hope this amkes sense

[strong star]

Well. They usually have big BACKPACK battery - you can see it on enemies. And looks like our rejects are not using such things.

[silk finch]

yeah it does thanks 🙂

[strong star]

So, like bolter.

[hearty panther]

so rending backstab as an example will always do full pen and then give you an extra 5% damage on top, assuming you're hitting something you have zero pen against

[strong star]

will run out of juice easily

[hearty panther]

it's still a pretty messy system tbh

[untold mulch]

They can balance it in several ways tbh

[serene sage]

at least we can explain it now instead of the old system haha

[untold mulch]

Heat, ammo,

[hearty panther]

yes before it was a goshdamn mess

[untold mulch]

Movement

[terse idol]

They could add a backpack for it

Just remove the backpack you have

[serene sage]

you can't move while shooting it would be a cool downside

[hearty panther]

but i am personally not a fan of it also being a damage buff when it doesn't actually apply any new pen

[serene sage]

and maybe swap speed/set up time

[terse idol]

I may be coping because it seems like they'll add a melta instead of a hellgun but

IT COULD HAPPEN

[hearty panther]

like handcannon is at worst a 20% damage increase on your shots and that's ... really fucking silly to me

[strong star]

Given all that Krieg debacle about tubes? Nah.

[lilac eagle]

Question: Did Vet still have the camo talent anywhere?

Or has it been replaced with the stealth

[hearty panther]

Infiltrate has a node to the left that is Camo Vet but better

[serene sage]

some playtester has a fetish for it

[lilac eagle]

Uh, hate inflitrate tho

[serene sage]

low profile on the stealth ult is cloest that you get

[strange grove]

Ty emperor, I always wanted one of these

[rocky stratus]

how do i play infiltrate vet

[untold mulch]

No shit

[strange grove]

gross

[untold mulch]

Hell

In the last trailer

[hearty panther]

Use guns that are good in CQB

[strange grove]

Does any vet not run shout on the harder difficulties?

[untold mulch]

Vet being represented using a Revolver

[rocky stratus]

i win 80%! of my damnation missions with it but i still die every now and then so i might be doing something wrong

[hearty panther]

Run up close to people

[untold mulch]

I was like :

[hearty panther]

Dakka them

[serene sage]

you can go the stealth sniper route or build it as a stealth zealot type deal

don't use knife though, i think knife vet jsut doens't have enough to support it

caxe is better

[strange grove]

I tried to do a stealth lawbringer build, but it was clunky as hell

[serene sage]

ps is better

[rocky stratus]

for catachan, or something

[hearty panther]

infiltrate is best when you are using it defensively and then playing it aggressively. idk how else to word that, im sorry

but what i mean is that it replenishes your toughness completely when you activate it

[rocky stratus]

No it makes sense

[hearty panther]

so you can play pretty hard, and when you take a big hit, ghost out, then come back out and stay aggressive

[umbral scaffold]

veteran is now saltspyre

[rocky stratus]

I was already doing that but needed to hear it so i start doing it consistently
thanks

[hearty panther]

also use low profile

it is a VERY good node

basically 10 extra seconds of conditional stealth

[clear tendon]

i thought i could fix her 😔

[kind scarab]

Your first mistake is thinking you could fix it

Hadron is the one at the wheel

You just begging they take you to your destination

[clear tendon]

yeah that's fair

[hearty panther]

she was already perfect ok you just gotta learn acceptance

[clear tendon]

no i am actually very rude and judgemental

[hearty panther]

lmao

[rocky stratus]

that is perfect

[rocky stratus]

is it ?

90% less threat is probably what i need so i’ll try it ig

thats to my memory i don’t remember what it does

[hearty panther]

yeah you have 'hard' stealth for 6s on the ult, and then you get 10s of 'soft' stealth when you come out

that's a lot of uptime

[clear tendon]

the 90% threat is nasty tbh

i've had whole squads of maulers walk past me cause i was in the soft 10 seconds

[hearty panther]

and unlike ye olde camo vet it's not conditional on standing still

you can run around and gank specials and shit

[quaint valve]

So what are the thoughts on the new vet keystones so far?

[clear tendon]

where are they at?

[hearty panther]

my opinion is no opinion until we see the side nodes

[unkempt lagoon]

theres only one

[quaint valve]

They showed all three on the video today

[untold mulch]

We got images of all 3, but not the subnodes

[unkempt lagoon]

theres only ONE

[rocky stratus]

i put camo on my power sword, shoukd get stealth bonuses for that

[hybrid river]

It lets you pop up behind all the elites and gun them all down while everything ignores you

[untold mulch]

Without the subnodes, they look underwhelming af or at least very weird

[hearty panther]

"why is there a tree running around down here in the underhive"

[quaint valve]

Yeah but I'd assume the base play style for each node shouldn't change that much

[rocky stratus]

weapon swap looks cold

buffs what ur already tryna do

[unkempt lagoon]

Most builds dont even grab the current keystones as it is

[untold mulch]

I hope the sharpshooter one a subnode lets me move more freely

[hearty panther]

hell yea trans rights node

[quaint valve]

Watch it again is all I can say I guess

[sharp epoch]

keystones are very specific and weird compared to other classes which are straight passive buffs

[untold mulch]

Tbf, because they ain't worth

[rocky stratus]

shush

[unkempt lagoon]

I'm saying the middle and left one seem really weak, so the only "one" is the right side which seems really fun and strong

[stone birch]

🏳️‍⚧️

[rocky stratus]

if this was directed at my spelling mistake

[hearty panther]

it was yea rofl

but ya the nodes are super mid on their face

[quaint valve]

Oh I see what you meant

[hearty panther]

any of the side nodes can immediately make them amazing with a point

[dire harness]

Hello! A friend cannot get point registered for the mission "give 5000 ammo to your allies with your aura", do you have an idea why? He tried with the basic version and the upgraded version of the aura. :S

[hearty panther]

but it's also true that the sidenodes could suck, or not solve a problem that the keystone has

[rocky stratus]

actually on that

[unkempt lagoon]

it doesnt work as of patch 13

[stone birch]

Honestly I dont see changing my builds very much when infinite krak or shredder grenades are like, right there

[hearty panther]

so, i have no opinion until we see the side nodes

[rocky stratus]

why the fuck have i not completed 7 different mission types

[dire harness]

Thanks @unkempt lagoon !

[rocky stratus]

i’m stuck 6/7

[unkempt lagoon]

thats how it goes

[hearty panther]

Flash missions dont exist yet

[stone birch]

broken achievement.

[rocky stratus]

hooray! huzzah! yippee!

[unkempt lagoon]

its not broken, it does work

[quaint valve]

I have that one done

[rocky stratus]

i really need those goggles.

[merry juniper]

what are the shredder nades for

[unkempt lagoon]

theres a mod that'll show you the details of which mission type you're missing for that penance

[hearty panther]

crowd control

[rocky stratus]

xbox

[merry juniper]

im addicted to krak

[hearty panther]

we are all krak addicted

[hybrid river]

Murdering ragers

[quaint valve]

There's one mission type that tends to not show as often

[hearty panther]

actually yeah theyre for ragers

thats the real answer

[untold mulch]

I am detoxing from Krak nades

[stone birch]

shredder frag grenades are great for CC on my helbore build. Otherwise my COMMANDO and commaissar builds use Krak lol

[merry juniper]

ok im switching i hate those guys

[hearty panther]

when im playing my Krieg cosplay all three of my shredders get thrown at a rager pile

[stone birch]

ragers bleed out and die in seconds

its great.

[rocky stratus]

ragers when i push them

or i blender them

[hearty panther]

like a shovel can do a decent job of fighting them

but not when there's fucking twelve of them

[unkempt lagoon]

Ragers when I give them a shoulder to cry on and show them they're loved

[rocky stratus]

a shovel is always a trusty weapon

[hybrid river]

Until we get an enforcer tree for zealot or veteran the ultimate rager counter is a melee ogryn

[soft solstice]

I would like to run frags more but I always like to run the increase coherence radius tbing a lot so I always just pick up kraks

[rocky stratus]

i’m pissed the krieg shovel wasn’t a power sword skin icl to you bc that would’ve been hilarious

[stone birch]

I also find the shredder frag genades GREAT for throwing mobs aside to do a quick ally pick up. a bit situational, but its saved a couple of my runs

[rocky stratus]

i love it when games do shit like that

[merry juniper]

does friendly fire on explosives or bullets get added on higher difficulties? i keep blasting ogryn in the back

[hybrid river]

There is no friendly fire period

[candid tundra]

what perks are the best on a revolver with handcannon and surgical?

[merry juniper]

thats a relief

[soft solstice]

Before the bleed buff, I always used frags as a stumble in the can, everything that isn’t in the center blast get staggered for a solid 2 seconds

[stone birch]

10% crit damage and 25% damage against something you hate the most. uusally carapace, unyielding, or muties

maniacs*

[candid tundra]

right, thanks

[dim star]

only +17 toughness i have found on vet 😭

[stone birch]

F

[hybrid river]

And the perks are bricked damn

That’s fucked up

[soft solstice]

i think my only 17% toughness also has ordo dockets on it, the other two I replaced

[mint ember]

what devil claw I should use ?

[soft solstice]

i think they're all good, but I think any but the mk1 is best

[ruby prairie]

Should i upgrade this ?

[candid tundra]

kek

[soft solstice]

mk1 has all vanguard heavy attacks, which means it's good for spamming heavies to sweep hordes, but it lacks a bit against single targets. The other ones have one of the heavy attacks be a strikedown hit that's good for single targets, so you just have to swap between heavy light heavy light for hordes

I don't remember what's the difference between the two devil c laws that aren't the mk1 though

[mint ember]

what blessing you use ?

[tidal fiber]

im trying to get the killshots duty uniform, is there a lower mag gun i can use that wont get me killed because its ass, or is this penance annoying on purpose

[hybrid river]

The no ammo one?

[soft solstice]

savage sweep and rampage are always good, I think anything besides impact bonuses are good but even then I don't think extra impact is ever really a bad thing to have

[tidal fiber]

no ammo, 95% accuracy i think

[mint ember]

hm thank you very much

[tidal fiber]

90 mb

[hybrid river]

Revolver

[candid tundra]

anyone got a good plasma gun build

[hybrid river]

if you mean talent tree build, then it doesnt really matter as long as you get the plus damage to ogryns talent

plasma is so good it can go with any build

[candid tundra]

should I run deadshot or exhil takedown? even though exhil is bugged rn lol

[hybrid river]

takedown would be better if it wasnt bugged yeah, afaik deadshot is bugged to not work with plasma either though

[candid tundra]

right

[untold mulch]

Bugs in both sides lmao

[candid tundra]

do you need counter fire if running exec stance?

or is it fine without it

the one that outlines all ranged shooters

[untold mulch]

is better if you have it

[hybrid river]

if you want the extra up time sure, but plasma of course is not the weapon for massacring shooters

[untold mulch]

hmm, true that

[candid tundra]

I think I'll omit it

what about superiority complex

elite dmg 15%

[untold mulch]

Yeah, Plasma may not need it

[hybrid river]

i just run superiority complex in general for my support build

which I run plasma on mostly

[candid tundra]

this is my current plasma, I have a better one with gloryhunter but I just don't want to run it lol

[spark arrow]

Do we have any resources on updated vet trees?

[untold mulch]

This month

[queen quiver]

What is the general opinion on plasma I always struggle with that slight delay. I use MK12 mainly because it’s good for head clicking

[untold mulch]

probably in a week or two

and we know the 3 keystones

[hybrid river]

plasma is probably the best vet weapon at the moment tbh

[candid tundra]

debatable

[serene sage]

it was like a week after patch notes are released

[untold mulch]

Plasma is styling on

[candid tundra]

revolver and columnus 5 are also really good

[candid tundra]

I just got this now though so I am excited to try it out

[hybrid river]

yeah but revolver has to reload a lot which is not good for a veteran who is supposed to be shooting a ton

[mint ember]

how is the power sword so far ?

[candid tundra]

lots of reload talents/buffs that can be taken, if used properly it can be incredible

[serene sage]

really strong now

[mint ember]

how you mean ?

[candid tundra]

anyways @hybrid river this is the progress I have on a plasma build currently, what are your thoughts?

it's sort of shit rn but I can switch some stuff around

[hybrid river]

mk 6 power sword can decapitate entire hordes with a light attack and can one shot crushers with a push attack if you have brutal momentum

[worn mulch]

1% stoppin power

crazy

[candid tundra]

might remove marksna

marksman*

[hybrid river]

looks good to me, im not an expert on left side tree though

i play vet more aggressively

[candid tundra]

fair enough

recently Ive been running VoC with my columnus 5 so yeah

I get that

other times I'll run mg 1a exec stance

those are my favourite playstyles

[serene sage]

remove deadshot it dioesnt work at all with plasma

[candid tundra]

exhil takedown is bugged too tho

[junior needle]

But then the other talent makes you take more damage

[candid tundra]

yeah

that's why I picked deadshot

I updated it

I have 3 points remaining

I could go for tac reload? or duck and dive?

not sure

figured I wouldnt need marksman

[rocky stratus]

omg you didn’t go all the way down

[candid tundra]

removed marksman

don't need it

[gritty dock]

Pls help. What are the best Blessings and Perks on the Atrox Mk VII Tactical Axe?

[hybrid river]

i wouldnt recommend tac reload, plasma reload is so long it doesnt help much, and youre only going to reload it twice assuming you pick up no ammo

[candid tundra]

right

duck and dive it is then I suppose

[candid tundra]

is flak a necessary perk for it?

cause I can't change my perks on this one, I can only do that on my gloryhunter one

[hybrid river]

mine has been running fine with weakspot locked in (useless) and maniac

you should be able to oneshot all flak enemies with a charge shot except maulers without flak damage though

[serene pagoda]

To be honest its all about tresholds, bring your plasma to the training grounds Damnation and see if you can hit kill stuff

this is what i use

[hybrid river]

akaik, maniac+carapace/unyielding is the way to go

[serene pagoda]

i can hit kill anything thats not an ogryn uncharged, and any ogryn charged.

[candid tundra]

damn lucky roll right there

[untold mulch]

Hopefully the subnodes fix the issues

[rocky stratus]

marksman one is the worst but doesn’t say stop moving it’s more about getting weak spot kills to keep moving and keep the buffs

[serene pagoda]

veteran always had bad decisions arround its abilities, even before the rework, it would grief allies by forcing enemies to ignore him.

[candid tundra]

should I charge shot though? or spam? when should I know to just spam left click rather than charge

[soft solstice]

for the most part the left side of the tree encourages you to stay in the back and snipe specials, you don't have to play that way but alot of it is geared that way, and you do get the ability to move without losing stacks on headshot and headshot kills

[serene pagoda]

to be honest, with executineers stance you should be able to just one tap anything without charging

[gritty dock]

Pls help. What are the best Blessings and Perks on little Tactical Axe? 🙂

[rocky stratus]

left side of tree more like plasma or bolt gun and kill bosses

[hybrid river]

spam if there is a large group of elites, charge if there is ogryns, monstrosity, or a single elite that you know you need to charge to one hit

[serene pagoda]

charging is mostly for ogryns and maybe monstruosities

[soft solstice]

you can run sharpshooter tree with things like braced auto or even shotgun and still work

[candid tundra]

gotcha

[soft solstice]

other paths do kind of do t hat though

[candid tundra]

I'll just try it out and see how I do

[hybrid river]

dont use tac axe but if i were to guess, brutal momentum, head taker, flak and maniac damage

[rocky stratus]

btw idk myself so i can’t help but send a big picture of an axe (probably doesn’t even have ti be from darktide) and say is this axe good so then other ppl can look at it, call it shit, and say what to improve

[untold mulch]

Every day, it looks more and more that Fatshark has no clue of what to do wit hVet

[rocky stratus]

middle tree is really fun imo but right tree is cool as hell

[serene pagoda]

because they could'nt think, or VET was the first tree they worked on, thus resulting on it feeling lackluster, which is why i have hopium that the rework will fix that problem.

[candid tundra]

one more thing I'll ask, is rending strikes worth taking for plasma?

I have 3 points to spare

[hybrid river]

no

[candid tundra]

ok

[serene pagoda]

lemme see ya build 1 sec

[sharp epoch]

bro i just had the worst team ever

[rocky stratus]

no it’s shit i’d recommend bla bla

[hybrid river]

rending only helps plasma on carapace because plasma already does over 100% damage to everything else

[candid tundra]

@serene pagoda

[soft solstice]

ogryn have their big damage heavy attack, defense tank tree, and gun focused tree, psyker has one that benefits staves the most, one that's all about the blitz you pick up, and another all about crit and headshot damage in the side of the tree that's all about crits and headshots, with peril venting to syenrgize with it

[rocky stratus]

you did a good job carrying

[serene pagoda]

to be honest, what i'd choose would be, getting both competitive urge, and close order Drill

Competitive Urge Reason: In damnation the enemy hordes comes in insane numbers, and since you're using the plasma gun, you wont be killing them, most of the horde kills will be coming from your team mates, meaning you will have it Up almost 100% of the time.

Close Order: You dont have Voice of command, you need to survive.

[soft solstice]

i still think the big thing holding back veteran is that you're able to be very versatile during the early part of your build since it's easy to go from one side of the tree to another or do a small dip to get something small, but you lose that near the end since the only way to enter a tree is super early on

[candid tundra]

what about my 3rd point to spend?

[mortal escarp]

So, I have this nasty (not in a bad way) autogun as my best gear. Its not too bad but im positive its nowhere near optimized. How can I improve this thing or should I just try to give it a level four perk and blessing to bump it's gear score as high as possible to upgrade my shop and otherwise leave it alone?

[candid tundra]

nvm It needs a node to get to competitive

[serene pagoda]

to be honest by getting these two you will spend 3 points in total

[candid tundra]

aight thanks

[candid tundra]

yup

ok time for my first plasma gun mission lol

veteran's first overheat

[serene pagoda]

heh

just dont charge shots when above 90% heat

you can spam Mouse 1s even at 99% heat it will auto vent, but dont charge.

[soft solstice]

veteran is by far the most simple skill tree, we don't have any paths that lock you out of any options like psyker or ogryn, and fir the first half of the tree, you can reach any skill you want for at max, 3 skill points out of the way of whatever you normally get, unlike zealot

[serene pagoda]

psyker is a blast to build arround, you have so many options

when i play vet, i only stick with a single build, because if i want to vary, i will be sacrificing the ability to assist teammates.

feels like im losing half my class by losing support skills.

[soft solstice]

if you want to run knife zealot and use stun/fire nades, you'd need to 5 points to get the grenade you want, and 4 points to get enduring faith which is big for knife zealot

[neon briar]

Vet has more freedom in the sense that you can pick any aura with any blitz with any ult with any talent. On psyker you can’t run crit aura with venting shriek, or assail with psykinetic’s aura. Ogryn is limited in similar ways, like not being able to run slam! with frag bomb. Imo the bigger problem with current vet tree is that there are too many pointless nodes that serve no other purpose than to waste your points and that our only decent toughness regen is so far down the middle tree

[serene pagoda]

also this should go back to being an ally aura.

[serene pagoda]

any aura.
has you seen what the vet auras does?

[soft solstice]

no matter what veteran build you're making, you're always picking up demo stockpile and tactical awareness since if they're not already in your path, they're not out of your way to get

[neon briar]

Well yeah, we have one good aura and two troll ones, that’s another issue

[serene pagoda]

this aura is singlehandedly the strongest thing in this game.

[soft solstice]

i'll always say that veteran speed aura is great

survivalist is incredible but I don't think the other two should just ignored

[neon briar]

5% is just sad though

[junior needle]

[calm shard]

yeah the other auras do not even come close to comparing to survivalist

[neon briar]

If it were 10% it would be competitive but possibly op

[serene pagoda]

3% dammage up?
dude by getting 1% ammo every elite kill, you are basically boosting your allies dmg by giving more ammo to kill things, in the end of the day it deals more dammage in the long run.

[hybrid river]

i run the damage aura purely for pathing reasons but id like to see it turned into a non useless perk

[neon briar]

And 3% damage come on lol

That’s almost insulting

[serene pagoda]

yeh

Vet auras are a shame

[mortal escarp]

Would love to have some help with deciding how screwed over my gun is.

[hybrid river]

at least we can hand out toughness in spades

[soft solstice]

3% damage isn't bad on paper but it's not enough to reach any big breakpoints, it'll add up damage on an automatic weapon or a chain weapon or against a boss, but it doing much beyond that is low since it's a free teamwide damage buff that effects literally everything

[junior needle]

3/4 bricked. If you need to salvage it you could change the perks to flak/maniac and leave blessings as is. Last I checked the graia brauto is the least useful one though.

[serene pagoda]

i believe one of the auras should be this for the team.
imagine what ogryns would do.

[mortal escarp]

alright. Ill boost its gear score as high as possible for the shop and try to rely on something else

[serene pagoda]

nuclear bomb granades every minute or two

[soft solstice]

it used to give grenades to teammates too and had to explicitly be remove because of ogryn's big frag grenade

that shit would not be ok

[serene pagoda]

should've been adapted to an aura rather than being a wasted perk tbh

[soft solstice]

it's not even a bad perk since outside smokes, veteran has good nades

[hybrid river]

doubt we will get that back for teammates since we also have the ammo crates giving grenades as well

[soft solstice]

even if it's just for you, you being able to spam your grenades more gives good value

a free krak nade is worth like a few bolt gun shots, especially if you get a multi kill

[serene pagoda]

smokes are another thing that need changes, i'd say it should have a perk that would highlight specials in a smoke.

[rigid pilot]

It is

[serene pagoda]

the speed aura is fun tho

[soft solstice]

it's only 5% but it feels super fast

[rigid pilot]

Because you usually stack with the other 5%

10% zooming

[foggy terrace]

Crusher insta kills / Boss damage

[soft solstice]

doesn't move speed also effect dodge or is that a verm 2 thing? at least I think verm 2 had move speed buffs effect dodge distance

[foggy terrace]

ESPECIALLY when running more mobility/utility based loadouts

[rigid pilot]

Also how we feeling about the new keystones

[foggy terrace]

We get keystones 😄

[serene pagoda]

5% is alot when comes to move speed.

APB Reloaded had a vest that would make you take more dammage, but would increase your move speed by 5%

Literally everyone used it and it became Meta.

[soft solstice]

think new keystones are cool and fitting,just need to see what the bonus nodes are

[rigid pilot]

Yea

[foggy terrace]

more options always nice

[proven stirrup]

What are the new keystones?

[mortal horizon]

question, so are they just smacking keystones on the bottom of the existing tree? how the hell we gonna have enough points to even take it lol

[amber cliff]

I feel like the new key stones are kinda fucked because we are still going to be scraping by for points

I barely make it to the end of my tree as is

[foggy terrace]

I mean I think that that is the point

we're gonna have to pick

[soft solstice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/490284868115103747/1172994377874935809/image.png?ex=65625724&is=654fe224&hm=0c9180bada7bb681308a7b7034834ca3fdacd72c11a8a308962a2d0a507f064f&

[serene pagoda]

i just hope the middle one has a perk that would either allow you to spot 2 enemies or it'd spread spot to a nearby elite on kill.

[foggy terrace]

grenades or keystones

[amber cliff]

Hm fair point

[foggy terrace]

Like tell me that not all vets take the grenade regeneration

no matter what path they are on

[amber cliff]

I feel useless without em tbh

If I can’t spam smokes the entire match

What am I doing

[soft solstice]

I feel like you're playing veteran wrong if you're not taking demo stockpile or at the very least demo team

[foggy terrace]

Chainsword stealth vet here, krak grenades are a lifesaver

[serene pagoda]

its a must have

[rigid pilot]

Nah you can see confirmed kill in the middle

[soft solstice]

like i'd rather no veteran ever run scavenger than them never use any of the grenade regen talents

[serene pagoda]

granades is what gives vets versatility

[rigid pilot]

Probably remove some travel nodes and stuff

[neon briar]

At least confirmed kill is getting moved higher up. Hate how we’re currently forced to invest so much in middle tree. And there are even 2 travel nodes in front of it just to waste your points even more

[serene pagoda]

plasma rifle build? frag grandes for hordes
recon rifle build? krak for ogryns

[serene sage]

a few travel nodes removed, i imagine some nodes will become keystone upgrades as well

[serene pagoda]

it seems like they are removing a little bit of the random notes inbetween

check the middle tree

for the emperor now is far sooner

[soft solstice]

the commando keystone seems like a better version of agile engagement for example, so that might get taken out and turned into a bonus node

[rigid pilot]

I hope they don't remove trench fighter

[serene pagoda]

which is a plus for me

brb auric mission

[rigid pilot]

Unless it's part of the switching keystone now

[soft solstice]

trench fighter might have been moved into the commando keystone which might end up limiting some of your loadout options since a build I like alot is shout commando with plasma and kraks

[serene sage]

it's there i imagine it will be nerfed to 10% though

since the keystone will make up for it and more

[rigid pilot]

Why krak with plasma

[soft solstice]

melee is good enough to deal with hordes, kraks are good for big stuff, and plasma is good when kraks are on cooldown or somethingcan't get stuck like a mutant

[serene sage]

when you really hate certain karkers

[soft solstice]

i barely remember to use my grenades at all as a veteran, mostly because I hate how slow they are to use

[serene sage]

Frag needs tinkered

then it does a lot of damage

[amber cliff]

Why does the keystone on the right have so many options wtffff

[soft solstice]

frags will mulch everything in the center blast, everything outside will get chipped but they also get knocked around so it buys alot of space

[serene sage]

untinkered frag would not be much use except stagger

[neon briar]

Frags aren’t for damage really, although they’re decent on trash mobs. They’re more for cc and revives

[serene sage]

but try tinkered frag

[soft solstice]

with tinkerer, most trash that survives the blast will get left with like, only 20% health left, so easy to clean up

[serene sage]

it's good for trash mobs and the packs of gunners

[rigid pilot]

But tinker doesn't affect the main damage

Which is bleed

[serene sage]

just try it

you aren't using it to kill crushers

[neon briar]

Frags are amazing on melee only maelstrom, you just don’t get enough kraks when there are like 20 crushers in every room, I find it way more valuable to keep them all knocked over than to just kill like 1 or 2 at a time

[serene sage]

but the increased aoe that extra damage

[soft solstice]

before the rebalance, I would throw frag grenades at my feed a second before a horde reached me so after my first swing or two, it would go off and knock everything back for a second

[rigid pilot]

When you say just try it is it a specific breakpoint

Or just going by feeling lol

[serene sage]

is really good, you throw 2 frags and wathc the carnage (as you have 3 in reserve, 2 frags per throw is very justified)

[amber cliff]

Back in my dad frag nades were used for revives more than stun nades

The good old days

[soft solstice]

frags are almost like a discount offensive version of zealot stun grenades

[rigid pilot]

2 used to be all you need to kill maulers

[serene sage]

it is a feeling, because the increased radius matters

[rigid pilot]

Now you need 3

But just throw 3 yea

[soft solstice]

not as good for CC but you get more damage and you get them forever

[rigid pilot]

Grenade regen is bonkers

[serene sage]

idk, i love my tinkered frags, can't live without em

[soft solstice]

frags are probably the only nade worth running twinned blast with

[rigid pilot]

10% chance is so horrid I hope they change it

[amber cliff]

Exactlllyy

[rigid pilot]

Maybe every 5 minutes you get a twinned charge

[amber cliff]

This krak nade users don’t even know how good they have it

That’s right I’m gate keeping nades

[soft solstice]

you can go through alot of grenades in a single match though, especially if you also take demo team, so you're bound to hit the double eventually

[neon briar]

Well krak users get it easy since you get free regen with your nade choice

[rigid pilot]

Yea but it's on a stupid dice roll

Imagine zealot until death is on a 50% roll

[neon briar]

Frag users have to spend 2 points if they’re not taking shout

[wise hill]

Snippet of the keystones vet is getting

[topaz lance]

Here's hoping that apart from what we've already seen, they're really condensing the bottom part of the vet tree. It would be great if another level above what we've seen were already the ults.

[soft solstice]

i'm not sure how they'd condense the tree without removing talents/making them part of the keystone

[rigid pilot]

Hopefully the sub-nodes will flesh out this one

[wise hill]

I’m pretty satisfied overall with the keystones at base level

[soft solstice]

same

[wise hill]

That 30% dmg increase is no joke

Can’t wait to see what we can do to demon hosts now

[grand sable]

low stopping power, still worth milk buks?

[rigid pilot]

Yea for bosses it will be great

But for anything else ehh

[wise hill]

U won’t be stopping anything in its tracks unfortunately

[soft solstice]

i pretty much had a similar idea for the squad leader and sharpshooter node, though the sharpshooter node was more making the player mimmick a machine gun, where standing still gave a bonus to accuracy and recoil and making all suppression you dealt apply in a radius around you

[grand sable]

[cyan anchor]

Hey is this good I do not know what impact even does

[wise hill]

Impact is stagger

At least in my testing

[rigid pilot]

Yeap stagger

[cyan anchor]

got you

[soft solstice]

with nodes for stuff like giving your gun extra cleave and enemy penetration so you can shoot through hordes, or the option to buff suppression so enemies get pushed back to benefit from the snipertalents earlier in the tree

[wise hill]

It can be important when the team can’t kill those ogryns and maulers fast enough

[rigid pilot]

One mauler

[wise hill]

I’m pretty pumped for the squad leader keystone

[topaz lance]

I mean what the hell is this?

[rigid pilot]

Out of the 8

[junior needle]

Last I checked you want uncanny/decimator for optimal shovel blessings

[wise hill]

I agree man. It feels bad

[junior needle]

Impact blessings are generally useless and overwhelmingly inferior to power

[cyan anchor]

thank you, im glad I joined te server for this stuff

[rigid pilot]

Impact doesn't really change the way the weapons works

[hollow turtle]

I'm actually almost concerned about the upcoming tree.

[amber cliff]

Pain

[hollow solstice]

why

[rigid pilot]

If you wanted to stagger a crusher you just press your funny button

[soft solstice]

if they put any of the lower nodes higher than it'll end up looking like the middle of the zealot tree which i'm not a fan of and it takes away a bit of the versatility

[upper lichen]

is it stripped down or hit & run that synergizes with the duck & dive talent

[rigid pilot]

Yeap

[upper lichen]

both?

[rigid pilot]

You can sprint around with infinite stamina

Hit and run I'm not sure

But stripped down lmao

[upper lichen]

i thought i saw someone say one doesnt work

[junior needle]

Both, but ghost is the best one for deadshot shenanigans

[topaz lance]

Not sure I get that point. Are you arguing against removing the tiny tax nodes?

[hollow turtle]

Moreso personal concern. I actually like my build as is now. I wonder if the new one will rearrange anything in a way that it alters the way I play.

[junior needle]

iirc stripped just makes the natural sprint dodge omnidirectional instead of your sides

[rigid pilot]

You sprint around with all the gunners shooting at you and your stamina keeps refilling

[soft solstice]

unless they maybe give each branch in the veteran tree a third option, like instead of having to take either demo stockpile or field improv, you can pick either of those, or born leader

[midnight mortar]

Stripped down does not trigger with duck and dive.

[hollow solstice]

I can confidently say anything being changed / moved around will provide a positive change

[wise hill]

My only problem with that middle keystone is I ping specials and elites like a mofo cause I play auric only. So I’m really hoping there’s a modifier or 2 that won’t punish me so hard for giving information to the team

[rigid pilot]

Yea if you ping a sniper to tell your team you lose stacks

[soft solstice]

i think the tiny tax nodes on the bottom of the tree should be moved, but if you moved them higher in the tree to make the lower part of the tree cheaper, you end up taking away the good part of early veteran, which is how cheap it is to get any little skill you want

[junior needle]

Seems like a big goof if it doesn't, it should just be an extension of the natural sprint dodging

[midnight mortar]

Yeah, that's been the sentiment of many.

[junior needle]

I know the vet crit on dodge talent doesn't work unless you manually dodge

Which is bullshit

[topaz lance]

Ah, my point it they should be removed altogether. Vet tree has most of them from all trees

and with keystones now we actually have worthwile things to spend points on

[wise hill]

Exactly. And the sniper HAS to be pinged.

[upper lichen]

are the iag's any good rn?

[soft solstice]

the middle key stone does say that you always reset to 1 stack after you mark something, so you're always applying some damage bonus, and they'll for sure be other effects to make it be worth it even at low stacks

[rigid pilot]

Probably some weird stacking buff for killing tagged enemies

[wise hill]

Maybe a modifier that lets stacks build faster. Maybe killing a pinged enemy grants 1 stack naturally.

Ppl ping for u and u ping for them

[soft solstice]

i do see your point there with veteran having the most basic stat nodes, though I feel like even if you remove alot of them and either make some of them base kit or combine some of the range damage/reload speed nodes to be 10/15% in a single one, you're still spending a fair bit at the end

there's almost always a keystone node relating to building/maintaining stacks better, so that'll probably be there

[wise hill]

I’d be happy. Either way I’m happy with the keystones

[soft solstice]

and I see something like "Killing an enemy with focus target grants the team 15% toughness damage resistance for X seconds" or "Killing an enemy with focus target suppresses enemies within X meters of the enemy"

[topaz lance]

Which I am fine with, but it would still allow you to dip deeper in multiple trees at the bottom.

[wise hill]

I’ve NEVER been bothered to feel like I need to reach the bottom of the vet skill tree cause the cost never justified the outcome

[topaz lance]

keeping Iron Will in the middle towards the bottom.
Hrm, they really want every single vet build to go down the middle path do they?

Wonder where Confirmed Kill went

[soft solstice]

looking at it, veteran have 4 nodes with 5% ranged damage and 2 nodes with 5% reload speed, you can easily combine them together to get 2 nodes with 10% rangeddamage and 1 node with 10% reload speed, saves space and actually make them feel worth while to take

[topaz lance]

Would be cool if they did that

But they'll probably just remove some

and leave the others as 5%

[soft solstice]

my problem with just removing them is that even with keystones, it'd feel like they're taking away more than they're giving, even if the new stuff would be much better

[wise hill]

rn im optimistic

[frank ether]

they're deleting confirmed kill?

[wise hill]

i always had a suspicion that fatshark never had the vet keystones ready in the first place for the update so they just slapped some things together and pushed it out. with the vet getting keystones finally this kinda confirms it in my head.

[sharp ember]

those keystones are wild

[candid tundra]

is this worth 3k melkbux for brmomentum 4?

don't have power cycler yet

[sharp ember]

they admitted as much to scrapping weapon-lock keystones and not having time to develop a replacement

[wise hill]

well there u have it

at least theyre actively working to improve it

thats W in my book

[soft solstice]

i'm pretty sure vet specific keystones were tested but found to not work out

[topaz lance]

Is thr right keystone actually replacing agile engagement?

[wise hill]

say what u will about the devs, they at least dont give up.

[sharp ember]

i'm not sure how to feel about the standing still keystone

sounds dangerous

[frank ether]

most likely

[soft solstice]

and it's not like thinking of keystones for the 3 vet classes would be super hard to do

[celest vine]

They keystones for cet seem kinda not good

[wise hill]

u only have to stand still if u arent landing ur shots

[celest vine]

At all

[frank ether]

yea

sharpshooter is actually joever

the fuck is that keystone

[celest vine]

Marksman keystone looks like it has an upgrade where you can move

[untold mulch]

If one of the subnodes expands the timer, I will keep going left

but 3s/1s?

Yeahhh no

[celest vine]

Otherwise im not even gonna bother taking a keystone

[untold mulch]

Exactly

[sharp ember]

that keystone seems to only lend itself towards DMR-type rifles and not slow power weapons

[frank ether]

That would salvage it but we're back to talent tax territory again lmao

[celest vine]

They all are so incredibly niche and useless

[honest robin]

useless?

[untold mulch]

I accept that Vet is gonna get taxed to oblivion

[strange grove]

Give us a keystone where we get two ranged weapons

[untold mulch]

for some reason

[sharp ember]

i mean the tagging one is super boring, definitely relying on the teat nodes to make it more interesting hopefully

[strange grove]

One of the icons had two guns on it

[untold mulch]

Ngl, I wish I could carry two ranged weapons

Like a lasgun and a shotgun

[honest robin]

tagging priority targets doesn'tttt sound useless and well hit your shots with focus

[topaz lance]

Uhm guys, dumb question but what the hell is t´ranged attack speed in the first place??

[frank ether]

embrace discount zealot

for it is your fate

[celest vine]

Marksman is a detriment right now

[valid apex]

This shit makes zero sense

[celest vine]

[sharp ember]

fire rate speed?

[rigid pilot]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1DliBVXZD5v1mN/d1337bfFylVv?invite=cr-MSxXd1EsMTk5OTY0MzA3LA
seems to work in the psyk at least

[untold mulch]

End up with 330% crit

[celest vine]

Swedish translation moment

[valid apex]

Lol right?

[untold mulch]

If at least it were like Warframe

[valid apex]

Is it 3.3%?

[untold mulch]

where over 100% crit was good

[topaz lance]

How so?

[untold mulch]

because it made a new type of crit

[valid apex]

Idk. These keystones look god awful

[celest vine]

You need to be completely still for it to work

No dodge

[rigid pilot]

33% crit is insane though'

[celest vine]

No spring

No walking

Otherwise it wont take effect

[rigid pilot]

infiltrate finally has a use

[celest vine]

Genuine trash

[wise hill]

i really dont see an issue with the marksman keystone. if the nodes to upgrade it r dog water THEN i think it warrants complaints.

[topaz lance]

If you kill something with a headshot you have 3 seconds to move

[untold mulch]

You could technically shoot and keep hitting on the move, but that basically forces

DMR still

Full Auto on the move

[topaz lance]

sounds very reasonable

[sharp ember]

i'm willing to hear marksman out because +30% ranged finesse per kill (with no explicit maximum) COULD go wild

[untold mulch]

Honestly if one could walk at least

[wise hill]

it looks like the stacks arent capped. so theoretically its infinite dmg scaling

[untold mulch]

I think its 10 stacks

[wise hill]

so long as ur an ACTUAL marksman

[untold mulch]

I heard that

[rigid pilot]

yea just stand still in a horde and spray heads, suddenly max stacks

[sharp ember]

10 is pretty good

[untold mulch]

have no source

[honest robin]

also depends on how quickly you lose stacks

[midnight mortar]

Huh, I stand corrected.

[untold mulch]

Yep

[untold mulch]

I think you only lose them when you move

[celest vine]

Cant even fucking strafe

[sharp ember]

i interpreted it as they ALL drop if you violate the rule

[rigid pilot]

maybe its psyk nonsense

[wise hill]

and miss weakspot hits

[frank ether]

are you ready for marksman vets that will dump all ammo into poxwalkers

[strange grove]

lol these keystones are trash. So if I tag an enemy for my team I burn all my stacks

?

[untold mulch]

Yep

go back to 1

[frank ether]

yeag

[sharp ember]

marksman vets have you use the cover peek mechanic to have some safety without moving

[celest vine]

Theres already perks better than all these keystones

💀

[untold mulch]

Subnodes better be godlike

[celest vine]

Keystones are supposed to be primo shit

[wise hill]

trash? lmao

[celest vine]

Underwhelming at best

[rigid pilot]

i really think the tag one is the worst out of all 3

[frank ether]

they are all terrible in their own unique ways

[celest vine]

Marksman is a bit too gimmicky

[honest robin]

HOLY CRAP are y'all gonna jusge it without seeing a single of the subnodes because you seem to be talking out your butts

[rigid pilot]

ok tag will have insane boss damage though

[topaz lance]

Are you all just not reading the part where you don't lose marksman if you actually hit/kill something then move?

[dusk jacinth]

then you dont use them together

[rigid pilot]

30% for your whole team wow

[wise hill]

thats what im saying

[sharp ember]

honestly the creativity is not that far off from other certain keystones

[wise hill]

they havent even seen the upgrades

[dusk jacinth]

i need dat fucking tagging keystone dude

[rigid pilot]

yea we are, cause theres no other information, we just talking

[dusk jacinth]

witch hunter captain build on da way

[sharp ember]

right, so you can wiggle a little around the piece of cover you're using i guess

[honest robin]

like seriously it feels like a dogpile and circle jerk to just hate for the sake of hate

[celest vine]

Cause the information we have paints it as fucking atrocious

[rigid pilot]

no one's feelings are getting hurt lmao

[topaz lance]

It's three seconds per kill

[celest vine]

Release more information

[untold mulch]

Theirs looks like

[wise hill]

so far the class update has been BANGER and now vet is getting his actual rework

[rigid pilot]

somehow

[wise hill]

i just find it funny

[dusk jacinth]

is not anyone gonna question why they dropped the update when vet wasnt done

[untold mulch]

Get that xbox money

[sharp ember]

other news: Exploit Weakness got sent to middle tree

[dusk jacinth]

and why it took a month and a half to drop any real info on it

[celest vine]

They moved confirmed kill off of middle into left

[frank ether]

please stfu

[midnight mortar]

The ones who would already know the answer because they're experienced with FS's ability to test internally and manage their time.

[serene sage]

it seems that left is mostly weakspot

[midnight mortar]

Those who wouldn't ask aren't familiar with FS.

[serene sage]

middle is rending

right is melee/hybrid

[dusk jacinth]

what the fuck are u saying

[untold mulch]

it was deleted near the end

Originally the talents were for weapon specific, and playtesters basically confirmed it was shit

[dusk jacinth]

fatshark intern acidentally deleted the file

[sharp ember]

wait what is that right next to Iron Will, is that demo team?

[dusk jacinth]

real

[serene sage]

yeah

[midnight mortar]

FS internally chose to scrap what they had.

[wise hill]

lmfao

[serene sage]

confrimed kills is no where to be seen

im scared for its safety

[celest vine]

No here it is

[midnight mortar]

According to their announcements anyway.

[untold mulch]

IT IS SAFE?, IT IS ALRIGHT?

[celest vine]

They moved it to bottom of the left tree

[sharp ember]

confirmed kill sent to left tree

i'll.. hear them out

[celest vine]

It was more of a left tree perk

[dusk jacinth]

when are we gonna be able to actually change the voice and name of characters

[serene sage]

ah rip

[untold mulch]

Btw if that still ammo in left side

Fatshark has heard no criticsm

[celest vine]

With shooting and getting headshots

[frank ether]

oh god I have to take marksman to have confirmed kill

[wise hill]

confirmed kill was an auto take so now u have to be more mindful.

[sharp ember]

every vet build dipping into middle to get IW + CK was getting stale anyhow

[serene sage]

we will see how they compensate toughness regen on vet then

[celest vine]

Its still there

[serene sage]

because without it what do we even have?

[celest vine]

extea ammo is further up the tree now

[wise hill]

as long as the taxes for the most part r ironed out i think itll work out

[serene sage]

out for blood, i guess

[wise hill]

but those upgrade nodes better be worthwhile

[topaz lance]

We don't know that, do we?

[serene sage]

no 100% but we can see the icons ig

[wise hill]

because for the most part i do agree that at base level they r underwhlming

[celest vine]

Its the same perk icon so

[umbral scaffold]

we shall see

[sharp ember]

uhh what is the top right one

[umbral scaffold]

its toughness thing

[serene sage]

onslaught?

[celest vine]

Never bothered with right tree

[frank ether]

thats rending thing

[umbral scaffold]

oh yeah rendingmaybe

[serene sage]

okay right now how does vet regen toungess
we have Confrimed Kills
Ex Takedowns

and Out for Blood and that's it

without cf how would melee regen lol

[celest vine]

Take a breath

[sharp ember]

the "stay away from enemies" one

[wise hill]

3 regen perks that spike tougness regen

and u say thats it

[serene sage]

ill pretend i didnt hear that

[wise hill]

._.

[serene sage]

i mean for the new tree

[topaz lance]

Isn't that Superiority Complex on the bottom left?

[frank ether]

yeah good thing I have 50 talent points

[topaz lance]

confusion

[serene sage]

when CK is longer easily accessible

[dusk jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/mlandersen0-man-door-hand-hook-car-door-mla0-gif-20233139

[sharp ember]

i think they should let that one activate if enemies aren't actively targeting you with attacks

[serene sage]

SupCom to the left yeah

[sharp ember]

oh huh so that is supcom

where is Bring It Down? is it safe? is it alright?

[serene sage]

middle

still

[sharp ember]

oh im blind

i hope the new mission has a badass scab boss

[celest vine]

I think ranged vets will need to dump less perk points into middle to get the same survivability benefits

[sharp ember]

or some kind of other emphasis on scabs because it's one of their strongholds

[dusty nacelle]

What does a "perfect" plasma gun look like perks and blessings wise?

[dusk jacinth]

3 milion dolars

[sharp ember]

Gets Hot is one blessing you want, easy free damage

all other blessings besides Blaze Away kinda poopy

[dusty nacelle]

What about the other blessng and the perks?

ohh okay

[sharp ember]

perks, not really a "one size fits all" choice

[dusk jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/6the-dollar-dollar-spongebob-goomba-gif-21176607

[sharp ember]

too many perk choices depending on what breakpoints you wanna meet to ensure 1-shots on certain enemies

[dusty nacelle]

I've consecrated 10 plasma guns and not a single one had blaze away yet

[sharp ember]

Flak, Unyielding, Maniac, Carapace, unarmored

blaze away 3 is annoying rare because it only exists at t3

[frank ether]

rely on that keystone doesnt look like a good thing to me

[meager forge]

just rush toward them for melee

[wise hill]

or dont miss the weakpoint

[frank ether]

not if the keystone sucks donkey balls

you're only allowed to move 3 seconds sounds like wonderful fun

but sure gaslight yourself

[wise hill]

seems like ur criteria for ''good'' is extremely specific

and ill leave it at that

[ivory aurora]

Can’t wait to be left behind while taking out all the gunners!

[wise hill]

either way im pretty pumped for the update and hope the upgrade nodes iron out the keystones

[untold mulch]

With hope, we cna pay a point tax to lessen that

[worn radish]

@hybrid river did you finish your plasma build? if so can you post the full build

[frank ether]

have fun juggling between 5 second volley fire uptime, 3 second marksman uptime and then fit in reloads, weapon swaps, dodges, melee cleaving

[spark hamlet]

how rare is +3 stam curio

[untold mulch]

I heard is rare, but I got it literally the same hour I searched one sooo

[frank ether]

might aswell throw sharpshooter in the fucking garbage at this point

[untold mulch]

Veteran be requiring 5 thought processes

[ivory aurora]

Only saw it once in the armory. Others I got from melk

[spark hamlet]

melk has this wondering if i should grab it

[timid otter]

Tbh that doesnt sound to bad.

[hybrid river]

i wasnt the one making the build i was advising, my build is just an aggressive support build that I like using plasma on

[worn radish]

oh sry, mind posting that also? couldnt find it

ill give it a go

[hybrid river]

sure

[ivory aurora]

Ether way I’ll have to field test all the keystones before I give final judgment

[paper anchor]

[worn radish]

ty

[frank ether]

ok mr DoNt MisS wEakPOinT

I'd like to see how long you maintain %100 headshot kill ratio on a 3 second timer with a horde on your back

actual fucking clown

[wise hill]

this is some extreme rage holy cow

[hearty panther]

ohhh thats why the dunce cap

it makes sense now

[wise hill]

😂

ok that was a good one

[idle dirge]

If you miss a single shot then the keystone never works again

[candid tundra]

I asked earlier but I was just wondering, do you guys think I should get this from melk for brmomentum 4?

[honest robin]

what

[spark hamlet]

oh wow

BM plus infested/unarmoured

take it if only to break down for Bm 4

[ivory aurora]

Yeah.

[honest robin]

it doesn't say that

[candid tundra]

it's 3200 melk bucks

I have 8k currently

[idle dirge]

That is the joke, yes.

[candid tundra]

3100*

yup

ok

[wise hill]

id save man

[candid tundra]

you think so?

here, let me show you guys my current power sword

it's from PRE-patch 13

I used it then

[honest robin]

apologies my heads been spinning from everything

[ivory aurora]

I think having brutal momentum is a good thing. Just slap it on to further swords

[candid tundra]

I don't have a good mk6, nor do I have power cycler yet

[wise hill]

yea its noticeably worse

[candid tundra]

kek

it's old

[wise hill]

i think youd be better off saving for a power cycler though

[ivory aurora]

That’s a good sword