veteran-class

[strange grove]

ok time to take this for a spin on damn

[woeful ibex]

@calm vine what should I change it too?

for my Plasma I mean

[calm vine]

blaze away is nice for the added power for continous fire if you have it, itll pair well with gets hot since youll be maintaining a 50 - 70 ish charge percentage for high crit

[willow badger]

Been absolutely loving the mgiv

Maybe not optimal but I got some rending perks on it. Kinda building like a recon

[calm vine]

blaze away is tier III blessing and no tier IV version

[tall torrent]

Decent

Swap salvo for headhunter

[woeful ibex]

alright and thanks

[tall torrent]

Perks are kinda alright tbh

[frank saffron]

Ayt??

[strange grove]

lol

[calm vine]

1001 ammo? is that a thing?

[autumn perch]

That’s a lot of ammo

[frank saffron]

Yeah man especially on smol las

[strange grove]

This thing even wrecks carapace!

[shell ginkgo]

The ammo is a LIE

[calm vine]

never tried blue or green lasguns only the brown one

[frank saffron]

Green one finally the best one

[autumn perch]

💀

[frank saffron]

Only this patch did it become good

[strange grove]

I

[calm vine]

oh damn... i gave hadron majority of my 370 ish green las for their blessings

[strange grove]

I'll keep my survivalist aura, and 1001 ammo and just keep LMB held down entire game

[frank saffron]

Damn unfortunate

[calm vine]

nowadays i just use laspitol

[stray storm]

My las Gun has 1450 ammo

[frank saffron]

Yeah i bet, its just nice to have the ol faithful actually be reliable in game

[frank saffron]

Which las?

[shell ginkgo]

Wish there was a mod that showed your actual remaining shots.

[karmic musk]

Numeric UI mod?

[stray storm]

Kantreal MG IV

[quick burrow]

the mg 12 the mg1a and the mg4 are all really good

esp with shock trooper

[stray storm]

It’s also got efficiency blessing and Headhunter

[frank saffron]

weird with 80% ammo this is all i got

[shell ginkgo]

Doesn't have that feature

[frank saffron]

did they not nerf the totla ammo of the smol las

[karmic musk]

I don't like the lasguns with autofire mod, it jumps so wildly after a few shots

Compared to the autoguns

[calm vine]

let me introduce to you old reliable

[quick burrow]

i got a mod that tells me my ammo and the remaining shots for everyone on the team

@true copper this one is my pride and my pain

[frank saffron]

its great on the smol las

[karmic musk]

Laspistol is pretty broken

[frank saffron]

did the las pistol suddenly become meta this patch?

[karmic musk]

Nerf inc

[stray storm]

Mines not bad imo

[quick burrow]

always has been

[calm vine]

thats a nice pistol, i still dont have infernus for my though wish i get it soon

[frank saffron]

Mmm i wouldve gone for somethin else other than reload

[fathom grail]

Why doesn’t fs give auto click as an option

[calm vine]

yes, it does high damage with good range and isnt that ammo hungry with the survival perk

[fathom grail]

FS WHY CaNt U bE NORMAL

ReEeEeEeE

[frank saffron]

Ow very nice

Now everyones running around like a sgt.

[stray storm]

Yeah I switched over to some more stamina, it drains me really fast when I’m adsing

[calm vine]

i should have bought the commisar outfit so i can run around with my pistol and chainsword

[karmic musk]

commisar outfit is trash though

oversized garbage

[frank saffron]

Kinda wondering how a high powered scope is gonna feel in darktide

[calm vine]

i dont doubt it, but its for roleplay

[karmic musk]

Lets wait for real comissar outfit Ibram Gaunt/Yarrick/etc.

[calm vine]

ciaphas cain

[karmic musk]

sexy

[stray storm]

Gaunt my beloved

[shell ginkgo]

We in the age of pistols rn

Revolver and laspistols

[stray storm]

FS give me cap for me to be Gaunts Ghost

[shell ginkgo]

They had the commissar cap a bit ago

[frank saffron]

so far these have been ol reliable for me rn

[calm vine]

one thing i hate about gaunt... he didnt execute cuu.....

[frank saffron]

been loving how they feel

giving the heretics devious backshots

[shell ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[robust mirage]

should i go for it or keep my hard earned money?

[calm vine]

you would need to change speedreload (IMO) for surgical (i think) and the ranged damage for specialists to either flak or carapace (ask other players for their opinions)

[robust mirage]

hm

ok thanks

[stray storm]

Keep HC
Switch speed load
And keep + manics

[kind scarab]

That'll work perfectly fine

You do not need flak on your pistol however. You'll already be hitting oneshot breakpoints as long as you shoot the face.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1167425285369647125/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.10.27_-_13.29.47.02.mp4

As you can see from these two

You don't need a perfect revolver to dunk on everything (in this update)

But maniac + Cara are needed for 1h breakpoints while keeping points for extra stuff on the tree you might enjoy

[stray storm]

GAWD DAMN
I would pair Killshot but 99% I’mma miss my shots

[pallid sedge]

cope

[tight dragon]

do people go surgical over headhunter on vraks VII?

[kind scarab]

Nah

Cause you shoot too quickly

[kind scarab]

Killshot?

[crude wind]

he probs mean deadshot

[hearty panther]

Cadaver Shoot

[tight dragon]

got a juicy T4 deadly accurate in the coin shop, not sure if it's worth it since i don't have any weapon build for it yet tho

[kind scarab]

Yeah, I was wondering if he meant that or longshot.

[crude wind]

either way, if he's missing his shots neither's gonna be good for him :{

[lament pelican]

from grey to this

[sinful cave]

but why did u even level this thing

[lament pelican]

idk, i was bored

nice to get not rnged by blessings for once

[sinful cave]

i assumed ammo was the dumpstat but isnt the ammo on these things awful regardless? is this thing actually doomed with 41 ammo

would u want therm resist dump stat so u can use that crit blessing?

[willow badger]

What perks do you recommend for helbore

[untold mulch]

I think you got 20ish more ammo at max roll or such

[lament pelican]

considering you can oneshot with it if built properly, nah that is fine, running out on plasma is people problem tbh

[untold mulch]

it hurts, but if you can make it work

charge rate hurts you though

because fatshark spaguetti code or smth

[sinful cave]

literal 20 shots or actual 20 ammo? wich translates into what like 5 more shots lmao

[untold mulch]

I think it uses 3 ammo per shot

[quick burrow]

u want 72 charge rate right lol ?

anything more or less lowers damage

[untold mulch]

soo you are loosing6 shots?

[untold mulch]

71-73% is the peak if memory is correct

is better to be low than high too

[lament pelican]

2x 30 ammo

[quick burrow]

i got 1 at 75 and one at 54 haha

[untold mulch]

Wiht hope it can be fixed but who knows

[quick burrow]

fear my nerd cannons

[brisk sapphire]

does charge rate affect primary fire at all

anyone know

[iron marten]

ye

[brisk sapphire]

interesting

ty

[iron marten]

np

[tight dragon]

do you need at least 72 or just 72 on thermal for plasma

[fallen geyser]

I'm torn

[stoic birch]

Y'all preferring the Chainsword or the Power Sword lately ? And what y'all using for the Chain sword blessing wise?

[cunning sandal]

Savage Sweep + Rampage

[umbral scaffold]

is stopping power or thermal resistance more important on Plasma

[untold mulch]

Stopping power I think gives more damage to armor

soo, depends on breakpoints

Thermal resistance would let you shoot a bit more

but stopping power may only make you need to shoot once

which is much better

[umbral scaffold]

hmm okay

my current plasma has better stopping but weak thermal

found one in the shop with good thermal/weaker stopping

[carmine solstice]

good termal feels good tbh

and for me its the most importan thing in the gun

[quick burrow]

you got it wrong mrrafa YOUR the most important thing in the gun

blast away king if u blow up u blow up just take a couple of em with you

[carmine solstice]

im inside the gun?

[quick burrow]

yes

[carmine solstice]

damm shot me away

[kind scarab]

You are the gun

[quick burrow]

i cant use plasma guns i dont know hwy

why**

[carmine solstice]

i think its one of the most fun

[quick burrow]

i know i really want to use one but i cant

[carmine solstice]

and i think i remember it used to explode even with simple fire

[quick burrow]

and i mean that literally

[carmine solstice]

and now i see it doesnt

[quick burrow]

if i use a plasma gun my entire game lags and i dont know hwy

only on the plasma

[carmine solstice]

weird

[quick burrow]

ya and i mean i main psyker i use the purge staff i use the flamethrower on zealot no issues just plasma gun

[carmine solstice]

have you tried fixing the game with steam

[quick burrow]

reinstalled did the repair thing no ideas so i just stick to my laspistol and bolter

which is to bad because plasma is just a boss

[carmine solstice]

weird

[quick burrow]

i have accepted my fate as the emps will

[carmine solstice]

some weird particle thing idk

[vagrant narwhal]

Does anyone see the current veteran perk tree as a big underwhelming in comparison to the others?

[sinful cave]

its getting a rework next patch

[sinful cave]

#📢news-bulletin message

[vagrant narwhal]

Ah nice

Feels like some perks are nice but not enough points to take advantage of them XD

[brisk umbra]

let's just hope they just don't slap the talents at the bottom and call it a day, because it feels like it at least from the image with the ability buffs just before them

[fervent ice]

I think they will shorten the tree a bit

[vagrant narwhal]

It would be nice

[fervent ice]

Currently it is way too long

[vagrant narwhal]

Yuuup

[fervent ice]

At least for keystones at the end

[vagrant narwhal]

But would be nice to have a couple more gimmicks imo too

Because i am living the psyker tree at the moment

Loving*

[fervent ice]

The Psyker tree is the most gimmicky by design

And even then, only in a specific way

In that blitzes can be upgraded, and the actual tree itself is designed to block certain combinations

Vet tree actually has a gimmick

You can take all the upgrades for your combat ability of choice

[vagrant narwhal]

True

That is quite nice

[fervent ice]

Ogryn tree gimmick is pretty simple

In that going straight down makes a very good build, so simple an ogryn could do it

And Zealots gimmick is that there is no gimmick

[brisk sapphire]

i dont like how bullgryn path deters using light atk spam weapons

[charred epoch]

What do yall recommend as the weapon setup for vet?

[vagrant narwhal]

Haven't played zealot yet this patch

[upper elk]

John darktide

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/628988965592104984/1172930804448514098/image.png?ex=65621bef&is=654fa6ef&hm=0eb37c0d073e679af781b8934e3e1270e83ae85452ea87b584d789b084d1752c&

when will thy gant me thy helmet

[buoyant tree]

best course of action here?

[brisk umbra]

just switch the perks

the blessings are perfect

[brisk sapphire]

bloodletter good for bosses

[buoyant tree]

ok ty

[brisk umbra]

Blodletter helps with muties too honestly

he can skip +mutant and be fine

Flak and something else... probably unyielding i guess

[vagrant narwhal]

Does the bleed on melee hit from veteran proc on every chainsword hit of the special attack?

[brisk umbra]

hard doubt it

[dapper vessel]

bloodletter only procs on special attack hit

unless youre talking about serrated blade

[sharp ember]

it only counts as 1 hit

[vagrant narwhal]

Aww

Would be funny XD

[sharp ember]

were it so easy

[stray storm]

Y’all this one is viable?

Most good stats Beside damage
I could gamble Hadron for great thins

[sharp ember]

autopistols aren't in a good spot in general, but "viable" is mostly gonna come from having good upgrades for that

[stray storm]

Hmm

[sharp ember]

having lower damage won't be too noticeable considering it's already a leadspitter

[brisk sapphire]

roll an agri brauto if you want a monkey brain hold m1 weapon

columnus infantry auto great too, but you gotta hit heads and fire in bursts instead of holding m1

[sharp ember]

the 55/555 makes my brain feel funny

[frank ether]

I feel like columnus is just easier for me

cant w+m1 like brrauto but its so much more precise

[brisk sapphire]

true dat

[frank ether]

just the sheer accuracy of iags make them very ammo efficient

well compared to brrautos at least

what I like to do with brrrauto is to just always move

if you're not moving and shooting with it you're doing it wrong

except maybe if you're staring at 10 shotgunners lmao

then you take your finger off W and press S instead

[edgy jungle]

what blessing do i want on a helbore

[autumn perch]

The good ones

[strange grove]

Onslaught and surgical

[edgy jungle]

Ok

[strange grove]

If you want to slay crushers/maulers get the Mk3

(More easily)

[viscid vessel]

I never use plasma guns, but I want to give one a try. What are the good perks and blessings?

[fleet drift]

Do we have any info on Veteran new skill yet?

[iron marten]

Gets Hot and Blaze Away for blessings

For the perks, Unyielding and Maniac are the popular options

Stopping Power modifier helps with Flak Damage

[fiery stirrup]

Columnus for moar dakka

[slow spade]

Here's my plasma

[slow spade]

discord is shitting itself, see my above reply

I use flak so I can 1-shot elites with some blaze away stacks

Unyielding is good too as bosses/ogryns do take a lot of ammo

[forest blaze]

Aye

[slow spade]

"oops all melee"

[forest blaze]

Executioners can bring you up to the one shot potential for crushers and such which makes me feel carapace isn’t that big of a deal.

[kind scarab]

Say syke rn

[slow spade]

headshot on crushers knocks them down so you should be fine without it

as you can just melee bully them (also pretty much everyone has carapace removal now)

[forest blaze]

That’s why I don’t bother with carapace

[slow spade]

you can also headshot mutants mid-charge to stun them

[slow spade]

melee Vet is already squishy Zealot why not take it further UwU

[forest blaze]

The only 2 that are problematic are the ragers and the maulers. Luckily with some crits, you can still one shot the ragers without exec

[kind scarab]

Until melee vet gets a big melee boss oneshot weapon, I'll stick with Zealots for my melee needs

[slow spade]

indeed, though I usually pack kraks for maulers just to save ammo lol

[kind scarab]

My issue with melee is that it really doesn't matter what class you play, since the games AI will try to always keep a fixed amount of trash mobs near you

[slow spade]

takes like 3 shots for me

[forest blaze]

The maulers and ragers are only actually problematic because they send a bunch.

[slow spade]

Power Sword on crack when?

[kind scarab]

Nono

Power greatsword

[slow spade]

Spawn director: "Fun detected" presses spawn All button

[fiery stirrup]

Haven't used powersword since release really. Just doesnt cut it anymore.

[slow spade]

I've been saying that Psykers need Nemesis force weapons UwU

[slow spade]

"doesn't cut it" trust me comrade it do be cutting UwU

[spice wadi]

it be cutting

it be warcriming

[halcyon pivot]

i'm often dc or crash after using m35 quite a lot mission

...

[fiery stirrup]

Lol chainsword has been working better for me

[soft solstice]

it's terrible without PS4 but it feels like a dream once you have it

[empty creek]

which 1

[slow spade]

Nurgle hates you and is directly sending warp storms to knock you out of matches

[slow spade]

right one, 100%

[fiery stirrup]

The 402

[slow spade]

its the only one with stats you care about

[empty creek]

figured but didn't know if the charge rate really mattered since it's the mk2

[fiery stirrup]

Base lvl 4 perk for weakspot damage hell yea

[slow spade]

that 67% damage hits a lot harder when Helbore can regularly hit 4k+ damage per shot

[empty creek]

im gonna keep the other & upgrade it alongside the 402 in hopes of getting more level4 blessings

[slow spade]

I generally upgrade the low tier trash weapons because its cheaper on the plasteel

[empty creek]

raising my ugly foster child & then getting rid of it as soon as it makes me money

[fiery stirrup]

I just crunch em up for the blessings these days then roll for good base stats

[slow spade]

its small but it does add up overtime

[tall torrent]

Second

[empty creek]

i know

[somber grove]

nice

[empty creek]

good shit too

[somber grove]

whats my better MG12

[slow spade]

such is life :c

[somber grove]

and whats my better power sword

[dusty ferry]

Hello there and good evening Veterans

[empty creek]

left

[empty creek]

right

[soft solstice]

i'd assume second mg12

[empty creek]

[somber grove]

I was testing, and the right one is only better for carapace cause the crits

[slow spade]

probably right because Deadly Accurate is shit without Headhunter

but Opening Salvo is cracked...

[slow spade]

definitely right

[somber grove]

i can change deadly accurate on my left

[empty creek]

opening salvo (small death star)

[slow spade]

Mobility only affects speed and dodge distance

doesn't even touch block

[kind scarab]

Left is better, cause it lets you just kill bulwarks through their shields, instead of needing to get around

Right is better for plain damage

[soft solstice]

i don't know if opening salvo is enough to let it 1 shot certain enemies/bring enemies down to 2 shot with a normal follow up, but second would be better for bigger targets and also shocktrooper for ammo

[slow spade]

its hard to tell because MK12 actually has pretty bad armor pen

rending actually buffs up MK12 quite a lot vs most targets (except maniac)

[soft solstice]

does the PS really need damage for anything besides ogryns and bosses?

[somber grove]

yeah, on cara its 6 dmg without salvo proc, and 7 with it

[slow spade]

Sunder sucks for cleave

[kind scarab]

Most of the time nah

[slow spade]

and yes 40% damage lets you 1 -shot mutants

[brisk umbra]

The MK12 is pretty trash i'll say it now

it got really gutted since it was good, for good DRM i really do suggest the Vrak 7

[slow spade]

its reliable and consistent

just not flashy

[soft solstice]

I also still can never tell how much of a difference 20% power does. I know it effects alot of stuff but I don't know how useful it is over a blessing that buffs raw damage or raw cleave

[brisk umbra]

It just takes far too many shots to kill stuff most of the time, i feel you really do not want to do that

[slow spade]

its hard to tell because in practice, its rare that you'll be in peak condition

[somber grove]

this is my current IA

[soft solstice]

i think I still dig it more than the single target headhunter, and I kindo f dig the blessings more

[brisk umbra]

At that point, the Vrak does the same job, but it actually hits a lot of breakpoints

[slow spade]

??? 1-shot on gunners just aim for head

[somber grove]

idk what to use my 2nd change for

[slow spade]

honestly, I legit can only comment skill issue

[kind scarab]

If your mk12 ain't doing better than a vraks, that sounds like you have a bad mk12

Or you have a skill issue

[slow spade]

replace Infernus for Headhunter because your base crit is shit without it

so Infernus isn't doing much

[soft solstice]

i feel like the vraks and mk12 feel the same, it's just if you want bullet or laser

[slow spade]

and you "hopefully" are shooting specialists and elite

[brisk umbra]

I mean, i do have my old reliable 80/80 that i was using a long time ago that was onetapping stuff, now it just ain't

[somber grove]

my mg12 slaughters brother, its def my best gun, it one shots a lot, and always with headshots on gunners and shotgunners

[slow spade]

so I mean it does help

[slow spade]

MK12 definitely isn't the de facto most consistent gun as it used to be pre-patch 13

but its nowhere near bad

[kind scarab]

Might as well just show a screenshot of the gun + what you're running

[somber grove]

yes usually

[kind scarab]

Cause even with my trash mk12 it works perfectly fine

[slow spade]

then yeah just get headhunter because all your blessings need crit and your current crit is 5% lol

[soft solstice]

i'm trying to think if any of the range weapons are actually bad or not

[slow spade]

Graia has issue of being out-classed

[soft solstice]

recon las is kind of the worst

[slow spade]

recon is definitely the worst again

Graia and Recon are "bad" imo

[somber grove]

whats the best chainsword build rn, i have a rampage/bloodletter one that i really like cause it takes out ogryns and hordes real fast

[kind scarab]

Actually, ya know what

Imma go build a new MK12 rn

Just to have a better one

[slow spade]

I usually use Savage Sweep because your base cleave is 1.5

Savage Sweep 4 brings your cleave to 3

[soft solstice]

i've yet to really mess with the shotguns since they got buffed outside of the angripinaa on my zealot

[slow spade]

and killing 3 people per swing vs 1.5 is huge for chainsword

[kind scarab]

I got the perfect item from melk to make a better mk12 now

[somber grove]

thanks sheo

[kind scarab]

Gonna steal the DA

[soft solstice]

i think my main chainsword has shred and devasting strike on it, which I assume aren't the best blessings but they seem to work fine enough for me

[slow spade]

np comrade, I'm stumped on what to replace though. Its why I didn't suggest anything yet lol as your sword has great blessings.

[tall torrent]

Honestly you could just swap no respite for headhunter and groaner/poxwalker dmg to flak

[errant sable]

What should I change?

[tall torrent]

And it’s pretty good

[slow spade]

I'd bite the bullet and replace Bloodletter as it doesn't perform well vs armor (maulers and crushers)

[kind scarab]

Hell nah

mk12 for life

[soft solstice]

i think outside of bloodthirsty, there isn't really any bad option for the chainsword, some might out class others but everything kind of works

[slow spade]

drop Volatile, its bugged and doesn't work properly

get Blaze Away because you're going to shoot more than once

so might as well do more damage

IF you don't have Confirmed Kill, Confident Takedown (whatever the name is)

is also a great replacement

[errant sable]

Alrighty and would I change specialist to carapace?

[slow spade]

na because Plasma headshots knocks carapace enemies on their ass so you can save ammo instead (because you can't hit head) with melee

[kind scarab]

Nothing like wasting a bunch of plasteel to make a point

[zinc nest]

carapace dmg on xii 😬

[slow spade]

I'd get either Elite (because fuck ragers) or flak (1-shot kill on body with blaze away stacks)

[kind scarab]

Just crit 5head

[brisk umbra]

i knew i wasn't fucking wrong

the fuck you guys talking about one tapping shit, fuck me

[soft solstice]

i tend to run plasma with krak nades, use kraks on stuff first like ogryns and use plasma on stuff kraks can't stick to and when it's on cooldown

[somber grove]

707 is my area

[soft solstice]

but I also mostly run plasma in my shout commando build where I only take out my gun for specials and melee most of the time

[slow spade]

Did you think we were saying get Headhunter for memes?

[errant sable]

I'll go with flak for now, tysm 💙

[slow spade]

its why it one-shots lol

[brisk umbra]

No shit with a crit you oneshot

[slow spade]

np comrade

[soft solstice]

if you go that route, than carapace probably ain't needed

[calm prairie]

With a crit you can oneshot with the 1a too

[somber grove]

crit hits one shot, and i have a build that crits a lot with mg12

[dusty ferry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209843216227368962/1167278860816093224/VID_231510504_011946_594.mp4?ex=654d8c27&is=653b1727&hm=bc48dabf9dd6b20f82bc62b2400f4aaee2aeabb41b9a0b85e56a9e7fb8fe8b9a&

[calm prairie]

So I just use that over the 12

[slow spade]

literally all the Mk12 advice has said "Get Headhunter"

it wasn't a meme

[calm prairie]

Since they’re basically the same gun

Except 1a holds more ammo and shoots faster

[zinc nest]

not specfying if "oneshot" means crit or not is actually griefing

for anyone reading your "advice"

[slow spade]

lasguns are crit weapons

if you couldn't figure that out with shocktrooper only affecting lasguns and all the advice saying "get headhunter"

[soft solstice]

crit do good damage and enables really good blessings and skills, so anything to maximize your crits rate is good

[slow spade]

idk how I can help you

[kind scarab]

To everyone here whining about not being able to use things like the mk12 when you can just read it's stat spread and job. Skill. Issue.

[slow spade]

ikr

immense skill issue in chat today

[soft solstice]

pretty much every las weapon's best stuff relies on crit. Sure they can kind of work without it but you need to go for it if you want to get the best out of it

[slow spade]

"omg laspistol needs crit????? griefer"

absolutely braindead takes

[tall torrent]

You need to have the 30% weakpoint node and then either have VF active or far away enough to have Lasgun’s inverse fallout (with longshot talent) kick in to give it 1 shot

[kind scarab]

And that's with me just running this new, very much not perfect mk12

With my revolver build

[slow spade]

revolver with the MK12 UwU

[kind scarab]

I wish

underbarrel revolver when

[slow spade]

indeed I can't aim well at long range targets with revolver

its mostly just snipers hiding like 70m out tbh

but it does get annoying

[kind scarab]

I don't have issues sniping with the revolver tbh

Esp since it's got decent cleave

But I need the target marked at least so I know where to aim

[slow spade]

yeah I suppose I should say its snipers playing pixel hunting in the back

[kind scarab]

Which is the only reason I use ex stance on my pistol build

[slow spade]

I was tempted to get a macro to spam ping for me at one point because no one pings for shit these days

[soft solstice]

it's why I use plasma over the revolver, I can just aim in the general direction of something and it dies, also I can comfortable body shot stuff

[slow spade]

plasma is comfy

[iron marten]

I use ex stance on like all my builds

lmao

I use VoC for my revo

[soft solstice]

it gives everything I want out of a bit gun for killing specials

moreso than the bolter

[kind scarab]

And then that person earlier complaining about me using Cara on the mk12

As if I didn't already oneshot everything else, sans mutties/reapers

Like, bruh that 25% ain't getting me closer to a oneshot. Might as well just make it so I need less shots to deal with Cara

That's one less shot, per 4 I make.

And we all know cara takes way more than that on the infantry guns

[slow spade]

I usually get Unyielding because fuck bosses

[tall torrent]

But like
U shouldn’t be shooting carapace with mg12 in the first place ?

[kind scarab]

That's now always an option

[slow spade]

I swear everyone can handle everything. The instant a boss comes out they just shit themselves

[soft solstice]

reducing shots to kill is still good, just because it's not a one shot doesn't mean it's not useful

[kind scarab]

Esp when you're outta kraks and don't want to be in melee range

[slow spade]

unless there's an Ogryn

[soft solstice]

especially on a gun where it's easy to count your shots

[tall torrent]

How many shots does it take to kill a crusher with that build

[kind scarab]

Not sure honestly, but definitely less than without the 25% node

I should check

With my last Mk12 it was something like 12-15 shots I think?

And that was without DA

Still 12-15 on this build (my revolver build)

[tall torrent]

15 shots to kill on an MG12 is uh

Idk I don’t think it’s worth it lol

[kind scarab]

I'd argue with a build for this gun, it would be far less

Lemme see what can be done

[tall torrent]

I’d rather go unarmored for guaranteed Dreg gunner 1 taps

[somber grove]

It takes one krak grenade for me to kill crushers usually

[kind scarab]

It already has guaranteed one taps without crits

[tall torrent]

Or unyielding for boss dmg

[soft solstice]

that's a bit too long and ammo costly for my taste, would rather either rely on commando bleed and rending, or chainsword sawing

[tall torrent]

Without VF

[somber grove]

My mg12 is one shotting without executioners stance too, Headhunter/OS and its doing 1400

[slow spade]

clearly Mk12 needs buff

[somber grove]

it doesnt even need crits

[slow spade]

1-shot crushers when?

[kind scarab]

That's a silly stipulation. VF is pretty much always up.

[iron marten]

game should just give me the heavy bolter from boltgun

[kind scarab]

But yes, even without VF, my gun crits more often than not, which oneshots them

[somber grove]

honestly, they just need to make lasguns like tediore weapons from BL

Throw that shizz like a fkin grenade

[kind scarab]

For the plasma gun, sure

[somber grove]

You def need to have OS procced for the ones shots on gunners tho

but i still get 1370 without

[tall torrent]

I guess go unyielding then for boss dmg

If u already have flak dmg on it

[kind scarab]

No flak, cause I already oneshot those as well

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1172948119063908412/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.11_-_19.15.47.02.mp4?ex=65622c0f&is=654fb70f&hm=96952ba25775b6b5fdf6d002ad4b30cfc58e04b4176972cb1f9730ecfb159a65&

Literally this gun, I just made

and here's the video

It just works

[somber grove]

ok but carapace is fairly useless

[tall torrent]

Scab rager 1 shot?

[kind scarab]

Nah, 2 shot on the ragers

[brisk sapphire]

is anything capable of one shotting scab ragers

not even kickback does it

[kind scarab]

revolver

Plasma gun

[zinc nest]

xii VF crit headshot +flak perk does

[kind scarab]

^

Ragers don't worry me though, since they're both easily killed in melee and don't cause as much issues as crushers

[somber grove]

my mg12 leaves armored ragers at 18 health with a crit weakspot and normal weakspot, might cry

[kind scarab]

Not to mention you can just hipfire the bastards while the stupidly wave their arms around in their slow attack animation

[zinc nest]

my headhunter VII crit headshot kills scab ragers apparently too, without VF

[livid dust]

should i replace gets hot with a lvl4 one or should i change either of the perks ?

[somber grove]

why is your mg12 collating on specials

[kind scarab]

Honestly, even without VF. You could just grab Comp urge and hit pretty much all your breakpoints whenever there's enemies around.

[brisk sapphire]

actually maybe i do remember revolver one-shotting them on crit headshot
been kinda burned out with that gun

[somber grove]

oh wait, am tripping

just two healthbars popping up

[kind scarab]

That's prolly the healthbar mod, since I haven't set it up after reinstalling

I generally keep it disabled for anything that ain't an ogryn

[somber grove]

yeah, i was think HOLY FUCK THATS INSANE

[iron marten]

now that's a hard choice, t4 gets hot, which is +50% crit chance, or an extra 5% damage to maniacs

[livid dust]

EXACTLY

pls help me lol

[zinc nest]

if your plasma cant headshot noncrit dreg gunners, i would consider something to help with that

depends on your talent build ofc

[livid dust]

i use this on a melee build

[iron marten]

I'll just go on a tangent and say t4 gets hot, cause at least the weapon rating goes higher from that, makes the chemicals in my brain go vweee

[livid dust]

yeah, and 5% for a single enemy type seems worse

[kind scarab]

Aight, got the mg12 to 8shot a crusher. Much better.

Could prolly do better if I give up on some defenses

So, at it's best I can get the mg12 to take just 5 shots for a crusher. And at it's worst, bout 12 shots.

I missed 2 shots on the mauler there I think.

[vivid ridge]

any cleave stat on the power sword mk 6 is pretty much dump stat right, since I never plan on using it unpowered

[kind scarab]

I wouldn't say dump stat

Just don't get it lower than 60% and it'll mostly be fine

[vivid ridge]

doessnt activation max out the cleave targets or nah

[robust mirage]

me vs crusher using a lasgun

[kind scarab]

Iirc, it increases your cleave. but your cleave % still helps for mixed hordes

[vivid ridge]

kk

thx

[kind scarab]

np

[robust mirage]

i believe this one is a decent strater right?

[kind scarab]

Haven't personally used the MG1a myself

Cause the mg12 exists

But the stats look pretty decent

Mani can be useful if you end up with terrible blessings

[robust mirage]

i'm using a okay-ish mg 4 right now just because of sheer dps

so i'm not sure about the 1a xD

[kind scarab]

That's a pretty good one

[robust mirage]

doesn't one shot everything in the head but i never un out of ammo with this thing

and if there is a hallway filled with shooters and specials pop my ult and just ads on everything that glows

the spread will make sure some shots land on the head 😄

it's just that just like in the lore and on tabletop the moment something with armor shows up i might as wel be trying to give him eye dmg with my laserpointer

[kind scarab]

I have both

Flak is good for 1shots breakpoint on scab ragers

[mortal horizon]

O

M

G

i knew all i had to do

was come in here (Yesterday) and complain

AND I WOULD GET IT

[kind scarab]

But I opted for Crit + Cara to get as little shots needed for the other guys as possible

[slow spade]

omg that's a great sword to surrender to Hadron UwU

[kind scarab]

Don't accidentally sell it for dockets

[mortal horizon]

thats all i need, pc4. it could be useable if i just rock 10% specialist but ill be eating it

[iron marten]

oo finally pc4, grats

[slow spade]

specialists includes mutants which doesn't hurt

but yeah that's like the only specialist you usually melee

[twin elk]

rock you say?

[mortal horizon]

i spent an ungodly amount of plasteel lol

probably another 10k+ since complaining yesterday easily

addmittingly i gave up on blues

[kind scarab]

Just wait till the anniversary update comes out, and we don't have Power cycler as a blessing anymore

[mortal horizon]

and was just rolling high statted bases to see if i got lucky

[kind scarab]

when they move the activations to become baseline

and all your plasteel will have been for nothing

[mortal horizon]

didnt it used ot be baseline in beta?

[kind scarab]

We had way more iirc

[mortal horizon]

idk i didnt play vet that far back i made mine a few months after launch

[kind scarab]

Like 6

[iron marten]

beta was 2, pc4 was 7 with heavy swings

[kind scarab]

^That

[mortal horizon]

lol

[kind scarab]

Yeah

[thorn summit]

SHOULD I COP THIS OR NO

still having a hard time figuring out whats worth taking

[kind scarab]

It's by no means a bad claw sword

Personally, I prefer the mk4 for the attack patterns

But that one is solid, just replace damage to groaners with unarmored imho

or maniac if you wanna oneshot parry ragers easier

[thorn summit]

probably replace wrath with something better if I ever get the opportunity

i like the claw swords for trash clearing

[kind scarab]

Wrath is fine

[thorn summit]

orly? i thought they were already high cleave

[kind scarab]

They are

But the more mixed your horde gets, the more you'll need

[thorn summit]

i see

[kind scarab]

Never a bad idea to have a single cleave blessing on your sword

This is the mk4 I use, it's by no means perfect

But it gets the job done

If anything, it's mostly rolled dumb

[thorn summit]

what would you be looking for in a perfect one

?

just curious im kinda new to building end game weapons in this game

[kind scarab]

Definitely a bit more damage on mine

Have mobility as the dump

I'd also have rampage + wrath

But that's a personal choice, not a necessity

[thorn summit]

gotcha

thank you

[kind scarab]

I haven't changed mine, solely cause I'll sometimes use it on my melee vet with the +crit from dodge stuff and just let the extra crit damage deal with messes I run into

[twin elk]

so for the take no melee damage penance, that includes no toughness damage right?

[kind scarab]

No

Just health damage

Grab whatever you can to regen toughness to max as quickly as possible, stick to your team, don't worry about getting shot

[charred torrent]

HADRON HAS BLESSED ME

[kind scarab]

Just don't get hit in melee, and you'll mostly be fine

Shout with the +100 toughness node is your friend as well

[iron marten]

I'll be surprised if they don't nerf shout at the anniversary update tbh

[potent canyon]

Should I change surgical to onslaught? And recommendation on a perk to change out?

[tall torrent]

U want both surgical + onslaught on Helbore3

[keen sleet]

How's this?

[devout atlas]

shame its not a 4

but decent yeah

[keen sleet]

Agreed on that

[devout atlas]

is 7 the one with a vertical heavy 2?

I scarcely use the other types

[keen sleet]

Think that's 1

[devout atlas]

oh rip

so its just horizontal heavies only?

[keen sleet]

Yes

[devout atlas]

at least its ideal for horde-clear

but it'll only work on plasma or revolver imho

[keen sleet]

I'm always cooking with plasma on Vet ngl

[keen sleet]

Whoops misrembered, it's the one with vertical 2

Mk 1 is the one with horizontal heavy attacks

[devout atlas]

oh then its quite decent, technically better horde-clear than 4 with sprint cancelling to loop heavy 1

you can do single-target with heavy spam or push attack into heavy 2

very nice

[finite imp]

Is there a mod or something that would help with people who are hearing impaired

I have a friend whose hearing isn't so good

[slow spade]

"Voice of Command: +200 toughness and 20 sec duration" UwU

[vagrant narwhal]

ghost perk good for lasgun??

[slow spade]

yes and combos with another talent brb

[stiff pebble]

anyone know if a charged chains weapon attack applies multiple stacks of the Onslaught talent?

[slow spade]

also procs this talent

[midnight patrol]

Is there any of the Agripinaa mk1 blessings that are usable at long range?

Most of the damage boosting ones are close range

[tall torrent]

They’re not designed for long range

[midnight mortar]

I believe the sawing and the rip count as two hits total, but you can test this in the meat grinder.

[umbral scaffold]

my rating? 9/10

[tall torrent]

It’s not efficient at applying onslaught

[stiff pebble]

ok thanks!

[midnight patrol]

I know, but was curious if any if the existing blessings would be a benefit at long range

[tall torrent]

Deathspitter kind of help? You need close range kills to activate them though

[midnight patrol]

Close range is, 15 meters yeah?

[tall torrent]

8m I think

[midnight patrol]

.. whew

[tall torrent]

But 8m is pretty far in this game

[midnight patrol]

Granted if I'm running the Agri mk1, I'm using it almost all the time

[tall torrent]

8m is the distance where shotgunners get to wreck your toughness and constantly prevent you from meleeing them

[midnight patrol]

Most ammo efficient automatic in my armoury

[tall torrent]

And Agripinaa Mk1 gets to stack deathspitter/fire frenzy better than its cousins

Because it cleaves 1 horde I think

[midnight patrol]

I'll keep the damage boosting blessings on then.

[tall torrent]

So u can actually stack up a little better

[thick kestrel]

oh that cleave applies to the IAG variant as well? thought it was just the braced. neat

[tall torrent]

DPS meta blessing combo for IAGs is dum dum + deathspitter/fire frenzy

[tall torrent]

Only mk1 can cleave

Mk5 and mk8 can’t I think

[midnight patrol]

I could have sworn the Mk5 could

[thick kestrel]

doesn't the mk8 Agrippina braced auto also cleave?

would make some sense for that to carry across based on the naming convention. fair enough if it doesn't.

[hearty panther]

Sustained Fire and Punishing Salvo

[tall torrent]

Needs to proc deathspitter for power increase to cleave

[tall torrent]

Braced is different from infantry Autogun

[midnight patrol]

But yeah. I like the mk1, because with single taps at head level into a horde, you can literally kill twice the number of enemies as you do bullets in your magazine

[thick kestrel]

yes, that's what I'm saying... both are Agrippina model rifles in different configs. so it's neat that both do it as a short hand naming convention.

[midnight patrol]

But it's still high damage and accurate enough in even two to three round burst to snipe elites and shooters

[tall torrent]

Also, just checked
Only deathspitter would help u at long range, fire frenzy doesn’t help

[still pollen]

Is the make every shot count penance still bugged currently?

[tall torrent]

Deathspitter is +power
Fire frenzy is only +dmg up close

[tall torrent]

No, u can do it

[still pollen]

Does the cheese method still work?

[thick kestrel]

so to clarify... is the cleave on autoguns related to the damage of the shot then?

[tall torrent]

No

[tall torrent]

I think it depends on the gun?

[serene sage]

what cheese method?

[tall torrent]

I know braced autoguns cleave and mk1 infantry cleaves
Headhunter I’m not sure

[midnight patrol]

I do wish the Vraks mk7 got cleave

The other two headhunters have cleave

[acoustic wyvern]

wdym by cleave

like pierce through?

[thick kestrel]

yarp

[midnight patrol]

Overpenning yeah

The Agri mk10, the two round burst one definitely has cleave

[agile mango]

buy or pass?

[tall torrent]

Holy shit

Veterans gonna spam tag

[serene sage]

wait wait is there leak?

HOLY SHIT SWAP SPEED????????

PLEASE TELL ME THAT"S A SWAP SPEED NODE

[hoary valley]

Anyone got build recommendations? Or a site I can go browse?

[serene sage]

where did you get this from friend

[tall torrent]

Darktide Twitter account

Actually they just posted it here as well #🐦tweets-sermons message

[tall torrent]

Very likely

Weapons specialist sounds kind of busted?

[tall torrent]

You just need 3 melee stacks for it to reach 99% ranged attack crit chance?

Hello?

[keen sleet]

Veteran always had busted crit chance iirc

[serene sage]

Confirmed Kill is axed huh

[umbral scaffold]

does anyone have info on the new keystones bieng added

[wanton dawn]

Also I think a few node got moved around

[tall torrent]

Yea but not “kill 3 enemies in melee for your gun to 99% crit for 5 seconds” kind of busted

[serene sage]

superiority complex got moved too

[midnight patrol]

Oooh. So now we get combat bonuses for marking targets?

[tall torrent]

Is it just me or this sounds really busted

[keen sleet]

Yes

[midnight patrol]

Truly a squad leader build is possible

[shy valley]

fianly someone gonna mark stuff besides me

[midnight patrol]

"Watch my tracers! Fire!"

[shy valley]

lol

[tall torrent]

This makes surgical not worth taking for revolver anymore???

[serene sage]

I dont see confirmed kills, superiority complex got moved to the right

demo team to the bottom

[wanton dawn]

I assume thoughness node got moved to bottom of the tree

[midnight patrol]

Marksman Focus sounds like a death trap though.

[valid bluff]

Infernus las pistol bout to go BRRRRRRR

[grizzled pebble]

I got top melee damage with shovel.

[serene sage]

how did you know?

[valid bluff]

Dclaw Las Pistol my beloved

[tall torrent]

Unless they give us the -90% threat activation somewhere in keystone so you aren’t getting hit left and right

[serene sage]

I see potential swap speed node bottom right though

[midnight patrol]

Already we get punished by enemies spawning behind us the moment we are 20 meters behind the squad lol

[wanton dawn]

Weapon specialist seems to be the most interesting option right now

[serene sage]

holy shit imagine bolter viability in hybrid builds

[serene pagoda]

i wish some of the team oriented skills get some buffs.
and please for the love of god, change competitive urge.

[umbral scaffold]

[serene sage]

when you are no longer gimped by long rswap speed

[midnight patrol]

Yeah. I miss larping as a proper stealth sniper

[serene sage]

might be better than revolver since higher mag count and reserve

[tall torrent]

Holy shit imagine 99% gun crit chance for 5s from killing 3 pox walkers in melee

[keen sleet]

Lmao a zealot got overhead smashed by a mauler in the breakdown

[serene sage]

the right tree might be too good boys

im pogging

[wanton dawn]

Funnily enough, focus target seems to be the weakest option right now

[serene pagoda]

he missed the last swing

[serene sage]

yeah

lots

[tall torrent]

The right tree seems like the most busted keystone???

[serene sage]

seems so

[keen sleet]

With how they get me, it would still smash me into the ground >:(

[tall torrent]

Will have to see the modifiers though

[serene pagoda]

heh

[wanton dawn]

definitely. Maybe we'll get a mass target

[tall torrent]

Some other keystones were rly weak on their own too but the modifiers make them insane

[serene sage]

tbf right is def highest potential

[lilac sonnet]

i guess we need to wait and see the modifiers before doing final judgement on keystones

[serene sage]

though hybrid gameplay isn't the most beginner friendly imo

[hazy reef]

Am I weird for wanting the Scab Gunner helmet?

[shell ginkgo]

Ayo vet keystones

[serene sage]

so maybe high skill high reward?

[midnight patrol]

The right side is for the guardman who are spastic melee and assault gunning as it is

[tall torrent]

Right is definitely the most busted one unless the ones on the left & middle let u do do crazy stuff

[wanton dawn]

Also keep in mind that current final node is in the path of the keystone

[midnight patrol]

Like those crazy Columnus and PS vets

More power to them

[tall torrent]

Weapons specialist gives u 99% crit for 5s just from killing 3 enemies with melee
Imagine a 99% crit chance plasma gun

[lilac sonnet]

its interesting we are keeping the final nodes of the old tree

[tall torrent]

Fuck deadshot, this is the new peak

[lilac sonnet]

was expecting them to be replaced by the keystones

[serene sage]

Crab said that Confirmed Kills will be changed significantly

[keen sleet]

The node before focus target has for the emperor

[tall torrent]

Finesse got buffed this patch I believe?

[wanton dawn]

i am fine with superiority complex being moved on top of the left tree.

[serene pagoda]

where is that screenshot from?

[tall torrent]

He edited it

From official video

[keen sleet]

The breakdown video herehttps://youtu.be/_53jXBsnL4k

[serene sage]

The tweet

Just now

[midnight patrol]

Crits is what allows my crit ex stance Vet to 4 to 5 shot Crushers in the head with a Vraks Mk7

[serene pagoda]

oh i see

thanks i didn't know we got a update

[midnight patrol]

Saves krak nades for saving my psyker about to get ass raeped by four crushers barreling down on him

[snow pendant]

any1 using the autofire mode can help me for a small while , i got the mod i toggle it on and off but no autofire

[idle dirge]

Not sure how I feel about the keystones / talents moved. I feel like it’s going to only negatively effect my build

[snow pendant]

what did i do wrong ?

[kind scarab]

Imma be real with ya chief

[keen sleet]

You have to press f4 to bind it to a key to enable it

[kind scarab]

That's 1% reload on the sharpshooter tree feels stupid

[keen sleet]

F4 brings up modding options

[slow spade]

the middle keystone seems pretty good

[serene pagoda]

im very interested if one of those keystones are team oriented rather than selfish, as i really enjoy the Supportive role you get with vet,
its just a little bit sad that the revive upgrade basically kills your ability to keep your team buffed most of the times.

[kind scarab]

At max stacks that's 3% reload

[tall torrent]

Right is by far the strongest

[midnight patrol]

They deffo need to buff the reload speed lol

[shell ginkgo]

Lotta these keystones seem kinda... ehh?

[snow pendant]

i did but in psykarnium is not autofiring

[slow spade]

ok?

[midnight patrol]

At least 10% a stack would be nice

[idle dirge]

I don’t think it caps at three, it just gives three stacks per weakspot kill?

[fierce burrow]

I want a hellgun for my vet

[slow spade]

its any weakspot hit though so it'll stack up quick

[midnight patrol]

Oh wait

[wanton dawn]

They did not mention stack limit on left keystone

[snow pendant]

i set 1 key for toggle i click the set key for autofire but nothing happens

[lilac sonnet]

you are granted 3 stacks of focus on weakspot kill... there's no max stacks inthe description

[midnight patrol]

Okay now I see the funny

[kind scarab]

There's is 100% a max stack that's unlisted

[idle dirge]

If you don’t move you can just keep stacking

[slow spade]

plasma gun through a horde

get like 20 stacks instantly UwU

[midnight patrol]

So if you have a weapon that one tap head shots reliably and very quickly..

[lilac sonnet]

considering you lose stacks the moment you move... yea i dont see a max being implemented

[elder vessel]

I really hope they're aren't just throwing in the keystones right at the bottom

[midnight patrol]

Okay this is going to be funny

[kind scarab]

Cause if there isn't, that single node would mean that plasma gun would solely become the only gun to use the whole game, spamming light clicks

[keen sleet]

Do you see a highlighted three bullets next to your weapons like this?

[elder vessel]

Vets tree is super expensive

[kind scarab]

You've get so much damn finesse from just left clicks that you could oneshot a boss in the right scenarios

[keen sleet]

Plasma chads coming back

[snow pendant]

yes and i am on laspistol i held the fire key nothing happens after 1 shot

[kind scarab]

There has to be a cap

[slow spade]

I mean laspistol seems cracked with that due to how much crit value it has

[idle dirge]

Would you really be that surprised if there isn’t

[keen sleet]

Is it set to toggle, not held?

[kind scarab]

Yeah, fast firing/killing weapons are gonna be very strong

While single shot weapons prolly getting shafted quite a bit with that tree

[slow spade]

no weapon swap speed sadly

[snow pendant]

yes

[junior needle]

There's no fun allowed anymore after uncapped infernus, so if there's one thing I trust fatshark to do it's purposefully try to make things less fun

[slow spade]

so Helbore is probably going to have to head for middle tree

[kind scarab]

Your lower end damage is going to be much lower, while damage cap will be higher. Which is.... weird.

[wanton dawn]

Usually feast or famine node are more famine than feast in practice

[kind scarab]

^

[acoustic wyvern]

loool the tagging keystone

[keen sleet]

Bizarre, maybe you can ask in darktide modders discord for it then, since it's getting pretty crowded here

[hearty panther]

ooooo keystoneeeez

[kind scarab]

Oh yeah, don't even get me started on the tagging node

[acoustic wyvern]

guess the tag spammers gotta spam less now

[snow pendant]

idk what else do i need to change

[kind scarab]

Mfers are going to bind tag to left click now

[slow spade]

indeed, really a shame

[wanton dawn]

THey can't actually

[slow spade]

you can only tag 1 target at a time

[acoustic wyvern]

this is great

[slow spade]

binding to left click is just shooting yourself in the foot

[acoustic wyvern]

no more spam

[lilac sonnet]

question is: what happens if a target is already tagged? 😄

[wanton dawn]

Also the focus target stack gain is VERY slow

[kind scarab]

Nah, really. They gonna bind it to left click, so whatever they are shooting at gets autotagged

[slow spade]

unless one of the keystone upgrades removes the tag limit ;)
\

[snow pendant]

where is the modders discord ?

[idle dirge]

It seems like it’s more for big targets than tagging every elite and specialist in a horde

[serene sage]

Then they are actively gimping themselves

[wanton dawn]

If you do that you are better of taking a 5% ranged node

[serene sage]

You don't need extra damage to kill a bomber

[midnight patrol]

I would say weapons like the Vraks mk7 and Kant mk12 are going to benefit heavily too

[hearty panther]

if they also fix DD in this patch then no lmao

[kind scarab]

Yes, I agree. But you need to think from the understanding of braindead idiots in soloq.

[midnight patrol]

The two shoot fast enough and are powerful to very reliably one shot headshot most shooters

[kind scarab]

Tag = damage

means more tag = more damage

[midnight patrol]

Which is your job anyway

[keen sleet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBC5CkLgBos

This video's description has the link to it

[midnight patrol]

So you just get rewarded for taking them out fast by getting faster

[wanton dawn]

In any case, I think weapon specialist is the better of the 3 gameplay wise

[keen sleet]

So what's the stance on the new keystones now? Weapons specialists seems the strongest

[slow spade]

assuming you can get down there

[idle dirge]

I can see a some vets binding right click to tags

[unkempt lagoon]

they seem soo underwhelming

[slow spade]

Vet tree point costs why...

[serene sage]

Bolter will rise

[lilac sonnet]

the "swapbuckler" vet is born 😄

[serene sage]

In the shambling ashes of the revolver

[hearty panther]

yeah thats dope

[kind scarab]

Vet tax increased. You're now always 1 point short of reaching capstones.

[hearty panther]

but also what will the secondary nodes on each keystone offer us hmmm

[idle dirge]

I probably won’t go for any of the keystones honestly

[wanton dawn]

From what we can see the bottom tree is already squished from current iteration. No reason to believe that tax node will be left

[slow spade]

wait till we see the upgrades at least

[kind scarab]

Yeah

[serene sage]

I wonder what node got moved into keystone

[robust mirage]

don't think i have seen a worse dmg roll so far at lvl 30 xD

[idle dirge]

It looks like my 10 seconds of close damage is gone 😔

[serene sage]

They can't just add a bunch of new nodes

[slow spade]

Nurgle says "fuck Vets 31 point keystone cost"

[lilac sonnet]

i'm pretty sure our tree is going to look different in order to allow us to reach the keystones.

[midnight patrol]

Has the uncharged firepower of a laspistol

Oof

[lilac sonnet]

close quarter killzone? its icon is still there.

[serene sage]

Even after the travel nodes removal

[hearty panther]

negative the trees were made by a new intern named Tantalus, you need 33 points to reach a keystone

[kind scarab]

I feel like the upgrade nodes for left side tree will make it far better. Specifically, I'm sure there's a node to improve how long you can move between headshot kills. And how high you can stack up the bonuses.

[slow spade]

I wonder if Vet will be a melee build next update if this stays + Weapon Specialist

[serene sage]

I saw the icon for it

[wanton dawn]

Vet already got a pretty strong melee build right now

[slow spade]

indeed, I wonder if they'll keep it at 15% still

[wanton dawn]

Next patch might be weaker due to the loss of the 25% ogryn damage

[slow spade]

30% attack speed on Power Sword lol

[slow spade]

yeah, kraks going to get more value

[keen sleet]

Yes

[slow spade]

doesn't mean the effect is the same

[golden nymph]

Okay, I'm officially not getting my memos because holy shit when did plasma rifles get awesome?

[keen sleet]

Since the rework

[lilac sonnet]

choppin some heads with rashad/antax yup

[slow spade]

since like a month ago

[hearty panther]

shovel closing in on the top spot boys

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but dodge distance is great

[idle dirge]

Wonder if smoke grenades got touched

[kind scarab]

No

[topaz lance]

I hope the lower half of the vet tree won't be as deep after the update

[kind scarab]

Cause that would be fun, and no fun allowed

[hearty panther]

yeah i thought that dodge bonus stacked 10x on first read

i was like wait hold the fuck up lmao

[slow spade]

"smoke grenades are now global. Fuck your fps"

[hearty panther]

im gonna dodge right out of the map

[midnight patrol]

Shovel now becomes blender

[sterile garnet]

@old quail

[midnight patrol]

Vet's arm flies off due to centrifugal force

[sterile garnet]

vet keystones from recent vid

[keen sleet]

Windmilling arms trick

I dont want that tbh

Solely cause my fingers would cramp so bad from spamming heavies

[midnight patrol]

Can you imagine the noise from three plus Vets all going turbo Shovel?

[keen sleet]

Dont say that

I nearly spat my water

[hearty panther]

try being less of a BITCH

[midnight patrol]

Bonkbonkbonkbonk

[hearty panther]

you're gonna get your carpal tunnel and you're gonna LIKE IT ow my hands

[wanton dawn]

Oh man, chainsword with 30% attack speed will be so annoying

[junior needle]

I strongly dislike both the left and middle keystones

[wanton dawn]

VROOMVROOMVROOMVROOM

[unkempt lagoon]

Man the new single keystone theyre adding is really good

[hearty panther]

what are the odds they roll back the last set of revolver buffs while they're at it

[autumn perch]

I’m just the messenger

[onyx tangle]

I'm 6/7 missions for penance

[hearty panther]

it would still be good

[split sapphire]

Idk

[onyx tangle]

which one have I not doen?

[wanton dawn]

I can't see the rending crit bug surviving

[autumn perch]

[unkempt lagoon]

penancedetails mod will reveal your missing mission

yeah for me it was investigate

[hearty panther]

oh lord yes please fix handcannon

i have waited forever to actually use that blessing but it has always been bugged

[slow spade]

I hope they fix Exhilerating Takedown

[keen sleet]

Does it apply to melee weapons too like crucian roulette on vraks?

[slow spade]

such a good talent if it worked properly

[hearty panther]

i do not accept this explanation

[kind scarab]

Bugged how?

[junior needle]

[hearty panther]

the rending on handcannon and manstopper apply to everything that crits

[autumn perch]

NO PLEASE

[wanton dawn]

I hope they don't

[lilac sonnet]

hand cannon still applying to your melee weapon? kekw

[tight dragon]

man, do i even bother, it's going to brick 100%

[slow spade]

think of the laspistols D:

[hearty panther]

its actually been like that since March

[split sapphire]

I'm trying to acquire brutal momentum for my power sword some point

[robust mirage]

do it dommy mommy hadron demands it

[wanton dawn]

I think exil takedown is ass even if it were not bugged

[hearty panther]

nobody cared though because revolver only recently became FotM

ye

40%

[severe needle]

vet has a few levels

[kind scarab]

Yeah it was hella low

[slow spade]

bruh

[hearty panther]

also ye

[topaz lance]

I hope they also:

• buff smoke grenades to make them actually worth using
• change the layout of the tree to make it less expensive

[kind scarab]

No smoke buffs

[robust mirage]

what is the + level thingy? is it a mod ?

[slow spade]

smoke grenades now spawn a daemonhost

[severe needle]

its a mod

true level mod on nexus mods

[topaz lance]

sad 😦

[kind scarab]

Smoke grenades make enemies that walk into it immediately aggro onto you now

[lilac sonnet]

i mean, its pretty obvious that our tree is going to be different, why do people assume its not?

[kind scarab]

[junior needle]

You can upgrade it to purple and see if the second perk gets scuffed

If it does its gonezo

[tight dragon]

joever

[robust mirage]

i'm not gonna bother with mods right now especialy if a rather big update is gonna drop

[junior needle]

the absolute madman actually did it

[wanton dawn]

I doubt the update will have much impact on mod though

[gleaming turtle]

We all agree that the 33% for Weapon Specialist is a typo for 3%, right?

[slow spade]

speaking of daemonhosts, would be funny if the endgoal of the Nurgle cult was to summon a greater daemon. Then it turns out they summon Kaldor Draco UwU

[unkempt lagoon]

mods dont really get killed by updates I dont think