MK4 just has the strikedown as its first heavy
#veteran-class
umbral scaffold
what does a bloodthirster do
umbral scaffold
am stunned
slow spade
D:
umbral scaffold
what do i do now?
slow spade
am stunned
I wouldn't make you a liar. Brb contacting Fatshark to make all trappers hit you through walls permanently UwU
glacial forum
slow spade
nice Helbore :D
slow spade
Wait doesn't onslaught have counter synergy with surgical
no, because you can just hold the shot
its simply charging faster
terse idol
Hmm
glacial forum
Wait doesn't onslaught have counter synergy with surgical
im able to oneshot most things in the head now
feels good
terse idol
hollow turtle
HEADS UP. Weapon Customization mod just put out another update an hour ago to fix a game crashing bug.
candid tundra
should I upgrade this to gold?
dusk idol
should I upgrade this to gold?
go for it
spark hamlet
what should i look for in a devil claw
wooden geode
greenskin magic he yells BOOM and the gun fires
dusk idol
what are the best blessings for the shovel?
i like uncanny and skullcrusher
slow spade
what should i look for in a devil claw
here's mine
upper fern
What chainsword blessing + perks is best?
a thing that is good to know is that even though the special attack hits the enemy multiple times in the animation, since it shreds or whatnot, it only applies procs as 1 hit (just like if you just bonked them once with left click)
fading grove
Is there a way to get more wound slots without curios
slow spade
Is there a way to get more wound slots without curios
Zealot has a +2 wound node
that's it though
thin stone
Hello Veterans
tender bloom
I was actually curious about that for like bleed effects and stuff that can stack x amount of times
slow spade
I don't think even ogryn can get more wounds
fading grove
So we only have two wounds normally
slow spade
So we only have two wounds normally
unless Ogryn which get +1 wound naturally
spring spindle
What blessings are best on shovel?
upper fern
I was actually curious about that for like bleed effects and stuff that can stac...
yeah it only applies 14 stacks of bleed on special
it would be really strong if it applied it like 5-6 times
fading grove
What's the max wounds on curio
digital gazelle
upper fern
so either go rampage and cleave or cleave and 100% crit after special kill
upper fern
What's the max wounds on curio
1
midnight patrol
<:Cwoke2:600374929900437524>
See? Bolt rifles look good!
Idk why folk want to make them even shorter somehow.
terse idol
<:Cwoke2:600374929900437524>
Thick
slow spade
See? Bolt rifles look good!
I have a sawed off Helbore
I want a sawed off Bolter next
serene sage
<:Cwoke2:600374929900437524>
why does the front look like a SAW movie contraption lmao
tech heresy the lot of you
ruby totem
Sawed off laspistol please
serene sage
batty no
ruby totem
Just a trigger and a grip
slow spade
one day...
gloomy kestrel
Does rending help the plasma gun at all?
gloomy kestrel
spare wolf
Mostly useless on plasma gun
gloomy kestrel
using this thing atm
dapper vessel
Naah
digital gazelle
Ive been looking for a solid plasma gun vet build actually
spare wolf
By the time you benefits from shattering impact you almost killed what you are shooting at it anyway
gloomy kestrel
so gets hot and blaze away is optimal?
serene sage
good gun
spare wolf
Yes
ruby totem
That's what I use on it, yea
thin stone
chad
thin stone
even more chad
gloomy kestrel
I have ck on yeah
dapper vessel
Gloryhunter is pretty slept on
slow spade
so gets hot and blaze away is optimal?
that's what I did to mine
dapper vessel
It's great if you don't run Confirmed Kill on it
ruby totem
damn that's a sick ass roll
terse idol
Does the shared toughness on elite kill on a plasmagun get shared with the toughness share talent?
gloomy kestrel
carapace/maniac is ideal right?
ruby totem
I like unyeilding maniac personally
slow spade
damn that's a sick ass roll
its literally missing 5% flak damage for a perfect plasma UwU
slow spade
Does the shared toughness on elite kill on a plasmagun get shared with the tough...
it seems to
but I haven't really messed with it
terse idol
Hmmmmmm
gloomy kestrel
shooting stuff through walls is rude af and I like it xD
unkempt island
Does the trait 'leave no one behind" effect rescue speed when they have full died?
thin stone
did the veteran class get reworked ?
ruby totem
Oh god he grabbed a grim
thin stone
or that is coming later november
digital gazelle
LETS GOO
ruby totem
lmao
digital gazelle
STRONG VET
terse idol
digital gazelle
thin stone
based
junior needle
or that is coming later november
If you mean another redesign that's coming later
dapper vessel
Perish ye
spring spindle
Have you ever managed to clutch a chaos spawn while also fumbling all your inputs in pure panic
I mean uh
“The emperor guided me.”
dapper vessel
Hmm
Something similar happened to me
It was a cspawn clowning me as poxburster train decides to target me and ONLY me specifically
I'm so glad I have over toughness up
spring spindle
It was Hab Dreyko too so I’m just sitting here screaming in the corner until Infiltrate goes back
digital gazelle
whats a good melee weapon for a heavy bolter Vet?
digital gazelle
nah not solo
marsh condor
No. That's a Storm Bolter.
digital gazelle
nah the space marine bolter
vast drum
swap out no respite?
desert thicket
this any good?
open helm
Id swap stripped down for something else other than that its a solid lasgun
junior needle
this any good?
The 7a is pretty dog right now, and you got it 3/4 scuffed but at least with t4 headhunter
I don't recommend using it above heresy
marsh condor
this any good?
Do you have Deadly Accurate?
junior needle
Recon lasguns do not have deadly
desert thicket
i have nothing haven't played much vet in months
junior needle
Just avoid the entire recon line then, none of them are doing good after getting massive undocumented nerfs in #14
desert hawk
If you enjoyed the spray power from when rending was busted on recons
try the columnus
lots of BRRRR
twin elk
which las guns are auto
gusty sonnet
Recons only
junior needle
Only recon lasguns (although with a mod you can autofire any single shot gun)
desert thicket
will do
desert hawk
IAGs are pretty good now in general
junior needle
columnuts is quite busted
open helm
Just avoid the entire recon line then, none of them are doing good after getting...
The blue variant is pretty good if you run high CHC and Shocktrooper
desert hawk
I rolled a decent one and it's been fine in aurics
granted it still kicks a fair bit
and armor is sometimes an issue
but kraks fix most of that
candid tundra
should I upgrade this to gold?
just got this shovel, take it to gold? my reply is another shovel I got, didn't take it to gold yet. I have no blessings for the shovel earned yet either.
gusty sonnet
just got this shovel, take it to gold? my reply is another shovel I got, didn't ...
Meh, it's almost guarantee to brick
junior needle
The blue variant is pretty good if you run high CHC and Shocktrooper
You mean the 6d? It's low tier due to its insane ammo usage for not particularly impressive dps this patch, and had its benefit from shocktrooper gutted.
candid tundra
you think so?
tall torrent
just got this shovel, take it to gold? my reply is another shovel I got, didn't ...
Yes
junior needle
You can get good dps (not great), but it BLOWS through ammo even with all the talent taxes.
gusty sonnet
Yes low lvl blessing, bad perk
tall torrent
you think I should upgrade the 355 in stead?
No, upgrade this
desert hawk
I had such a good VId too 
open helm
I honestly almost never have any issue with ammo with any gun as long as I run survivalist.
And Im ranged almost exclusively
junior needle
I had such a good VId too <:Sadge:758793680357687317>
Our time will come again, we just need to wait for obesefish to actually fix the guns, for really this time
open helm
Rarely do I pick up any ammo as well
desert hawk
<:ogryn_pathetic:1083359691742122014> Our time will come again, we just need to ...
Honestly I've been enjoying columnus so much it's totally fine
I rolled a decent braced auto gun
but I hate it
gusty sonnet
+2 stam on shovel is god-tier meme
junior needle
I honestly almost never have any issue with ammo with any gun as long as I run s...
Depends on what difficulty you're playing in and how much slack your teammates are leaving
Some guns are better than others, some are much worse
gusty sonnet
I recommend running +9 stam on your character
open helm
Depends on what difficulty you're playing in and how much slack your teammates a...
I play exclusively T4 or T5
desert hawk
Depending on modifiers in t5
you can go dry on ammo
even with perks
like shock gauntlets etc
just too much to chew through
Had that issue on bolter
which is a shame cause bolter used to be so much fun
but plasma kinda trumps it in every possible way now
junior needle
I'd say hi5 will definitely get iffy for the 6d if your team is leaving you on duty for elites/specials/shooters
hi-5 Stg is out of the question
open helm
I dunno Im just saying with my experince I rarely go dry
junior needle
Use a recon 2
gusty sonnet
I'd say hi5 will definitely get iffy for the 6d if your team is leaving you on d...
So your typical pub then
hearty panther
same. just gotta play it aggro
twin elk
what's the best autogun
hearty frigate
uhhh
chainsword yes or no?
junior needle
You will understand what it means to do no damage and hog ammo
That gun is so shit
desert hawk
uhhh
chainsword yes or no?
It's fun
it one shots most mobs with the rev
decent mob cleave too.
Works fine even in the highest tiers.
Some people will argue that axe or power sword trump it, and they're probably right in some use cases
but for a general melee weapon, chainsword is great
gusty sonnet
You will understand what it means to do no damage and hog ammo
Autopistol is probably worse on that regard
junior needle
Autopistol is pretty gutted too
desert hawk
You will understand what it means to do no damage and hog ammo
The trick is to hog ammo AND do damage 
hearty panther
autopistol doesnt leave you any room for ranged engagement if you really need it, like a far off sniper
but having pinning fire and raking fire makes it a great candidatefor infiltrate shenanigans
obtuse dawn
melk comin in hot
hearty panther
the recons win out for me for having dumdum and laser accuracy
desert hawk
If the auto pistol didnt kick so badly, you probably could spray em down
junior needle
Does autopistol have sub-500 gray dps to muties?
hearty panther
never shoot mutants
but no the autopistol has disgusting mutant dps, lol
its its one definite forte
junior needle
the recons win out for me for having dumdum and laser accuracy
To note, by his own admission, he barely ever uses his gun and just fires while running into melee
gusty sonnet
but having pinning fire and raking fire makes it a great candidatefor infiltrate...
Pinning fire is pretty worthless these days
hearty panther
your other options on the autopistol are not much better
spark jungle
what's a good all around gun that can take care of snipers and dogs?
serene sage
what's a good all around gun that can take care of snipers and dogs?
revolver
and plasma
hearty panther
and PF procs instantly when you unstealth if you have the gun out
desert hawk
what's a good all around gun that can take care of snipers and dogs?
Do you want to go BRRRR and fire a lot or pick off select mobs?
hearty panther
very easy to juice the full potential of it
spark jungle
Do you want to go BRRRR and fire a lot or pick off select mobs?
fire alot for a change
desert hawk
A good rending revolver basically removes anything off the board, just gotta watch ammo count
twin elk
what gun has the most brrrrr
serene sage
columnus
desert hawk
fire alot for a change
I'll keep shilling the columnus
junior needle
Does autopistol have sub-500 gray dps to muties?
Oh wait this was the 7a, let me find the 2 videos
desert hawk
Infantry auto guns are mega fun
junior needle
Still shit dps
desert hawk
what gun has the most brrrrr
works on everything except crushers
but you just either krak nade em down or melee
twin elk
this one?
junior needle
Here's da 2 recons fine special killing power at work, sub 500 dps
twin elk
desert hawk
uh
hearty panther
not that one
twin elk
i thought it would show my mouse
hearty panther
ye
desert hawk
You want stopping power and damage
and some stability or you'll bad sadge
mobility and ammo are kinda w/e
desert hawk
You get back enough from perks and pick ups
that it's not that bad
although you'll be tempted to spray down mob waves
and thats sometimes okay
but technically speaking it's not ammo efficient
but also haha gun go brrr
hearty panther
the difference between 50 and 80% is like, 3 in mag and 10 bullets in reserve or something
gusty sonnet
Here's da 2 recons fine special killing power at work, sub 500 dps
Thats before the crit string nerf too 
desert hawk
I run dumdum and deathspitter on mine
hearty panther
yeah the recons have always been shit for maniac damage
desert hawk
since 'close' range is surprisingly far
hearty panther
thats why you dont waste your ammo on them
desert hawk
I kinda got rng'd on perks so it's not GIGA optimal
junior needle
Thats before the crit string nerf too <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
This one was after, but it still had shit dps before that
desert hawk
but it works fine
flak is probably your worst enemy
on columnus
but if you roll the 25% damage on it, you should be able to comfy spray into a wall of elites
and be a-okay.
hearty frigate
best lasgun for sustained fire?
desert hawk
best lasgun for sustained fire?
like you want to go brrr ?
or just poke off targets?
hearty frigate
like, keep shooting and you shots will actually kill what you're hitting
hearty panther
IV I guess
junior needle
Not the recons, they're all in a shit state. Just autofire an infantry las
hearty frigate
not the concentrated disco ball
hearty panther
or laspistol even
junior needle
Laspistol works too but is more reliant on headshots. 1a and 4 are good for autofiring and not very headshot reliant
junior needle
k12 is amazing, but much more precision oriented
tall torrent
Recon is so sad rn like
Full headshot recon dps is lower than IAG bodyshot dps
junior needle
If you want to go brrr, the other infantry lasguns are better
tall torrent
quasi tulip
what perks and blessings for ix headhunter?
desert hawk
or if you want the clunkiest 2 shot anything setup, there's always helbores 
hearty frigate
a little slow
uhh, yeah i liked that one
junior needle
hb2 with the autofire mod is basically just a better k12
It works on charged shots now
It was still a better k12 before but now you can't complain about the charging
desert hawk
Maybe I'll give power sword another go now.
not sure if I should swap out flak
although the blockpoke feels really good wow.
quasi tulip
i run carapace/elite + bm/power cycler
hearty frigate
I swear I once saw someone who got a bolter with 100 as the damage stat
serene sage
I swear I once saw someone who got a bolter with 100 as the damage stat
you sure they wasn't using mod at the time?
there's a true stat mod or seomthing like that
desert hawk
I swear I once saw someone who got a bolter with 100 as the damage stat
probably was modded to show the bars as full
since you can't get past 80 because large fish are saving those for reds
hearty frigate
you sure they wasn't using mod at the time?
no just rng jesus was on his side i believe
hearty frigate
since you can't get past 80 because large fish are saving those for reds
ooh
desert hawk
like 380 is the 'max'
hearty frigate
ig he was modded
desert hawk
so he probably had an 80 in that category
twin elk
only 380?
desert hawk
which is still hard to get because there's like 65 layers of rng
twin elk
no 400?
junior needle
380 is max for total stats, 80 max for a single stat currently
desert hawk
like you could drop several million dockets
get a handful of 380s MAYBE
and hadron will still brick your shit 
twin elk
380 with 60 in dump stat, gets bricked
desert hawk
AND that's assuming the 380s roll correctly in the first place
desert hawk
I just bulk resources now, if milkman or the shop drops me something okay I might roll it
but otherwise i'm just saving it up
brunt and hadron beat me up too much
digital gazelle
Insta buy right? the blue i mean
hearty panther
if you arent ridiculously stingy on expectations the money really does add up
and also dont gamble on anything beyond purple lol
that last upgrade to orange is very expensive
robust cosmos
Insta buy right? the blue i mean
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THAT BOLTER ?
fathom edge
slaughterer or rampage?
robust cosmos
now I've lost all faith
digital gazelle
have no fear, the longer barrell means I can reach the enemies of the emperor even easier
calm prairie
mutilating a bolter like that should be grounds to brand you as an enemy of the emperor
robust cosmos
have no fear, the longer barrell means I can reach the enemies of the emperor ev...
IT already shoots GYROJETS ... the fuck you mean it gonna reach enemies easier
digital gazelle
I like long barrells ok!!
robust cosmos
what you gonna add a focking smart bullets to it next ?
digital gazelle
be glad I dont stick a bayonet on it
serene sage
you can't
tech heresy at the highest level
im surprised you haven't put a stock on that shit yet
robust cosmos
tech heresy at the highest level
this weapon modification are already tech heresy
digital gazelle
technically the inquisition works apart from the impirium so
serene sage
also istg the reflect sight makes me aim worse than the normal one
junior needle
The inquisition is above the imperium proper
serene sage
low bm level doesn't matter imo
dapper vessel
i'd use the 506 rating mark 6
it has a better locked perk
57% cleave targets wont matter because BM
eeh Ig speedload for Dumdum
and switch Sprint for Flak/Elites
glacial garnet
got lucky with RNG 
(and a bit of modding)
dapper vessel
yes
sturdy schooner
i'd use the 506 rating mark 6
its what ive been using so far and yeah tis been amazing
im just short of the dmg needed to two-shot a crusher in damnation
I have to go for that third powered swing
dapper vessel
im just short of the dmg needed to two-shot a crusher in damnation
hmmm
I think if you use the left one you can hit the 2 shot breakpoint
dunno if having tier 3 BM instead of Tier 4 will matter though
Helbore can be paired with anything
sturdy schooner
slliiightly less weak spot dmg true
dapper vessel
but I use the Mark 6 with it
glacial garnet
what good perks & blessing should i get on the chainsword?
old quail
im just short of the dmg needed to two-shot a crusher in damnation
if you go down the right side of the tree u can grab agile engagement
which gives u the 2-shot so long as u kill smth with ur gun
which is more often than may first be anticipated
glacial garnet
Flak and maniac/Elites
noted
sturdy schooner
hmm maybe, I can easily do the two-shot if I use my shout dmg boost
i have no points specced into the right side i think
mostly left to get that 30% extra weak spot dmg
old quail
i love going right side with ps6
candid bridge
what are peeps builds for revolver?
old quail
what are peeps builds for revolver?
for the gun u want maniac + whatever (flak, elites) and surgical/handcannon
fathom edge
damn
old quail
my favorite mk6 build
candid bridge
for the gun u want maniac + whatever (flak, elites) and surgical/handcannon
i mean talent builds
old quail
uhhh
u can kinda just slot it into w/e build since revolver is a bit overtuned rn
it does good with anything really
serene sage
what are peeps builds for revolver?
literally anything yeah
but it works very well with hybrid stuff
especially agile engagement
junior needle
3/4 scuffed, most unfortunate
ivory rock
If I roll opening salvo 4 one more fucking time
languid stump
Still think I kinda hit the jackpot on this one. It’s not perfect, but it’s better than nothing
mortal horizon
can this be made useable
junior needle
3/4 bricked but you did get scattershot 4
junior needle
Replace no respite with flechette and a perk and you've got most of the deadshot bleed meme gun
mortal horizon
wasnt sure if no respite was good
junior needle
That's also an option
mortal horizon
how do you find flechette, ive never seen it lol
junior needle
It can be, just not the setup you want on that gun atm
It's a tier 2 so it can appear in the shop
It seems to be pretty rare
hearty panther
yea its very awkward to roll
fading grove
if u wanna really grind it get a level 15 char
More likely to get because you're lower level?
astral blade
ya know what worries me about the vet tree keystones being added?
old quail
More likely to get because you're lower level?
yup
lower levels get lower rating weapons from brunts/shop, lower rating weapons have on average lower rated blessings
its almost impossible to roll a t2 blessing with a level 30 character at hadron
spring spindle
“Dad. Why is my sister named Rose?”
“Because your mother loves roses.”
“Ok. Love you dad.”
“Love you too Agripinaa MK VIII Braced Autogun”
astral blade
the fact that they may not have moved any of the talents around
old quail
ya know what worries me about the vet tree keystones being added?
look at the preview in the talent tree deep dive from a while ago
that one has the toughness regen talents at the top
which is already an improvement from the current tree
i would be optimistic theyll unfuck talent placement a bit 🙏
astral blade
look at the preview in the talent tree deep dive from a while ago
where is this preview?
fading grove
How do the auto gun blessing sharing work? All "headhunters" can share the same blessings or?
old quail
its based on weapon family
junior needle
How do the auto gun blessing sharing work? All "headhunters" can share the same ...
yes
old quail
so u have headhunters, braced autoguns, and infantry autoguns
junior needle
Iags are different, so are brautos
fading grove
Got it
old quail
and they share weapons within that group
fading grove
And what are hellbore blessings to try and collect
near wyvern
Surgical is god
old quail
And what are hellbore blessings to try and collect
surgical/onslaught
astral blade
look at the preview in the talent tree deep dive from a while ago
yeahhhh that deep dive is just the exact tree we have now for vet
fading grove
I need to keep a damn spreadsheet of blessings worth getting. Seeing tier 4s that look good to my eyes I want to buy to get the blessing, but then I find out they're not good lol.
vague charm
whats the difference between the catachan claw swords?
acoustic wyvern
brothers i have found power cycler 4
congrats, now you're a Zealot
digital gazelle
so I have 25% unyielding, what other perk should I slap on my boltgun
amber portal
i go with elies
pure kindle
One vet of every color!
digital gazelle
is that andrew tate on the right
digital gazelle
i go with elies
as in just general elites?
amber portal
the 10% yeah
digital gazelle
ah oki
is Cavalcade worth it on a bolter also?
i have shattering impact already
amber portal
surgical
digital gazelle
noted
buoyant tree
does surgical reset after a shot? or am i perma at 100% crit if i stay ADS?
frank ether
yes it does
copper parcel
What are the best blessings for the Plasma Gun?
dawn yacht
Mkay I have one more roll on this, what do I change to what?
This is a fresh lvl30 vet btw
frank ether
you dont have to change anything
dawn yacht
Yeah I didn't think so either but I was thinking I wanted something other than deathspitter. Just wasn't sure.
This thing consecrated like this mostly too I was shock
frank ether
the only problem with this is low stopping power
dawn yacht
I just brunted a white columnus
frank ether
so it might not be ideal for shooting armor
dawn yacht
Yeah I know this was just to get me situated with a Good Gun™ for a while
This was easily the best roll out of all the pulls I did
I was leveling with a Graia I got from Melk with that t4 raking for the longest time
glacial peak
its over vet bros...
how have you people played this class for this long its like actively depressing to click on nodes
junior needle
Mkay I have one more roll on this, what do I change to what?
I'd go unyielding to flak but yeah you're gonna want a new one
glacial peak
also like i could just play zealot or pysker
frank ether
vt2 mains wont be satisfied till sharpshooter is performing below gunpsyker
glacial peak
it already is
frank ether
glacial peak
you litreally get full ranged damage immunity and deal more damage
and have like twice the crit chance
frank ether
hey I'll have you know my sharpshooter gets
uh
increased toughness damage taken
or no stamina no jutsu
glacial peak
yes
glacial peak
full fucking ranged damage immunity
for a node you pick up on the way to scriers
im trying to sell my kidenys to have 10% rending and 15% attack speed
you all live like this?
glacial peak
i could be playing zealot
frank ether
I unironically think melee vet is the stronger and volley fire is a scam
if you need volley fire to make a gun work that gun is a scam
glacial peak
you have problems with that on zealot?
frank ether
sharpshooter vet havent felt this weak to me ever
glacial peak
ok are you stealthing?
frank ether
I mean dont you get bazillion ways to replenish hp on zealot anyways
glacial peak
and you think 10% rending and 15% attack speed and 10 crit chance puts you in same ball park as zealot?
you realize zealot has marty right?
your running chastise right?
which crit cdr?
i mean sure man
ive tried solo mod and it sucks ass because snipers are bullshit
they literally insta fire
frank ether
your solo game has less kills than what I get in a 4 man auricc
glacial peak
thats a considerable difference
yeah solo peaks intensity
so you get way less spawns
grizzled pebble
Do you do solo in a live private game and let bots die?
Tru. I used to do old hab dreyko farm solo with bots
spark hamlet
can you get curios without the curio insetad of weapon upgrade
because i've gotten 2 in a row with no such upgrades equiped
gusty bison
how have you people played this class for this long its like actively depressing...
Theres quite a few gems hidden in the clutter tbf
Like a lot of the nodes are meh but the good nodes are good
gusty bison
Survivalist, grenade regen, deadshot, precision strikes, onslaught, iron will, confirmed kill, duck n dive
Trench fighter, and the melee finesse node
Oh CDR reduction
Like you cant get all of them but you can easily pick up at least 60% of those nodes in basically every build
And Thy Grenades Be Swift but that one is a bug so Im not gonna count it
serene sage
the only thing that makes vet not soloing every game is the fact taht the tree is abosolutely dogshit lol
why extra nade?
glacial peak
It’s nice with kraks
acoustic wyvern
you'll be screaming for more nades in auric
serene sage
you'll be screaming for more nades in auric
I play Auric T5 exclusively lol
serene sage
then you should understand why nades are great
you are acting as if extra nade is a super popular node to take
i dont hate it but why that specifically
gusty bison
Heres my Helbore build
glacial peak
I haven’t had a match yet where I haven’t pressed g just to realize I’m out of kraks
acoustic wyvern
no i'm acting as nades are always useful
serene sage
no i'm acting as nades are always useful
okay sure but maybe don't act so elitist lmao
likely agile will be keystone?
acoustic wyvern
brother, i only say you'll want more nades in auric
serene sage
based on the icon sneak peek
acoustic wyvern
elitist would be sticking to one tree specifically and dying on that tree hill
gusty bison
Faster for me to just stab them with the bayo
serene sage
agile made me install the UI rearrangement mod
so i can see when agile runs out lmao
serene sage
on certain guns, some swap too slowly sadly
gusty bison
I dont need more damage
Im already 1 tapping
2
Anything I dont 1 tap its either a crusher or im 2 tapping
Or 1 crit tapping
grizzled pebble
Helbore 2 enjoyer 
gusty bison
Deadshot
serene sage
how do you swap?
gusty bison
I cant go that deep for 10% rend
serene sage
just dodge back/ult to swap?
gusty bison
just dodge back/ult to swap?
Yea dodge back
frank ether
%10 rend just joever
gusty bison
its not hard to swap, but the 25% damage buff I dont think is enough to warrant the DPS loss
especially since the other node is usually about +10 to 20% crit
which is a lot
gusty bison
Agreed
Helbore is not one of them
Hence why Reciprocity
Helbore I also need to dodge while in melee often.
But beign able to get 80% crit rate with surgical at max rate of fire on a helbore 2 is nuts
gusty bison
Helbore is basically just always dodge
If you arent dodging while using a helbore you are wasting its potential
frank ether
I need to dodge around gunner packs at times not just elites
polar kraken
Getting 3 lvl4 deadly accurate back to back to back but not a single headhunter 4
frank ether
sometimes your shot doesnt register and you get fucked over
polar kraken
It’s over 10k plasteel already mate
gusty bison
Because helbores have a charge mechanic, you can charge while dodging, then you get a full send shot after the dodge ends
polar kraken
frank ether
especially painful with shotgunners that just evaporate your toughness partially thanks to exhilarating bug but still
no reg is pain
gusty bison
So you can basically do a dodge weave dance that keeps you safe while sending very high damaging shots downrange
Ah yes
polar kraken
call me obsessed but like is the rate really so low
frank ether
so helbore not really that broken when you factor in how fast iags or even braced guns mop up gunner packs and elites
gusty bison
I mean thats just an instant down
Unless u are running some form of ranged damage immunity
gusty bison
Unless u are running some form of ranged damage immunity
See this
At which point its no more of a challenge than it is now
Now its stripped down
Ghost is...
ok
frank ether
<@332281047515398154> Deadshot nerf?
its a nerf for lower stamina
gusty bison
its a nerf for lower stamina
I guess.
But for any build that takes it and leans into it its a buff
frank ether
my choices for volley fire vet is to literally
take extra toughness damage
or obliterate my stamina bar
frank ether
or invest so heavily into stamina that now I have no survivability
gusty bison
Gun dependent
south prairie
Left bottom vet is not bad
frank ether
wow I can obliterate my stamina bar which I got by sacrificing hp/toughness to cosplay as gunpsyker, cool!
sharp ember
exe stance + trench fighter drill 
gusty bison
Yea its not good in solo, but solo is a skew setting that is pointless to compare normal gunplay to
Yes
I in fact am going to compare it to a volver
Damage wise the two are similar
sharp ember
kinda built for different jobs
gusty bison
Helbore wins out for clearing more than 5 elites at once though
south prairie
Revolver shoots faster but reloads slower i reckon
sharp ember
i would trust a helbore more than a revolver to burn a boss down though
gusty bison
Revolver shoots faster but reloads slower i reckon
Actually Hel 2 shoots about as fast
Revolver only has 5 shots
south prairie
Good stuff for pulling out, popping mid level elites, and putting away
frank ether
i would trust a helbore more than a revolver to burn a boss down though
mistake unless someone allows you to sit there with a helbore and shoot
frank ether
then it doesnt really matter what gun you have
cause you're given free space to shoot
sharp ember
revolver reloads
gusty bison
The helbore's beauty is being able to deal with more than 5 specials/elites rapidly
The helbore's drawback is its swap speed
2 also 1 taps every special under the sun
And most elites
Actually all elites with a crit
south prairie
Charge rate?
gusty bison
Charge rate?
Faster than MG12
2 you go deadshot, surgical and reciprocity
and you get near guaranteed crits
Practically the MG12 needs to wait longer for the recoil reset
sharp ember
clenching my fist trying not to run exhil takedown knowing it makes you take more damage but i don't want to take deadshot in this left tree build
gusty bison
You arent spamming headshots at 2.5 shots per second due to the horizontal recoil
frank ether
you dont have to wait for recoil reset
gusty bison
Thing is you are switching between targets
frank ether
all iags are also off center when you shoot them
gusty bison
its really hard to go for a headshot while the recoil is going up and you are moving to a second target
frank ether
what you do is you put a crosshair and ignore the model
gusty bison
Effectively the helbore has a higher effective RoF when you are going for heads
Helbore getting one of the best jump shots in the game also helps when you are trying to pick a special or elite out from a mob
Not with the MG12
With the revolver yes
frank ether
Doesnt MG12 one tap gunners?
south prairie
Helbore getting one of the best jump shots in the game also helps when you are t...
Counterpoint;if said special isnt behind cover revolver will tear through the mob to kill it
gusty bison
Doesnt MG12 one tap gunners?
With.. difficulty
frank ether
wdym by that
frank ether
do they have reverse scaling
gusty bison
And scab gunners need a crit
Ye
Also needs longshot
iirc
Helbore is a clean 1 tap
frank ether
is that with or without precision strikes?
gusty bison
Basically the Helbore 2 is a MG12 that hits all the breakpoints, has better performance under pressure and has better stability
Main drawback is slow swap speed and a steep learning curve
Helbore2 bayo is nuts
Eh
I dont see the issue tbh
Unless you are trying to speedrun a level (read: solo)
Its not a big deal
Once again I dont judge weapons based on solos or duos
Cos its stupid as it skews the game
A lot of great amazing top end weapons dont work in a solo setting due to weird niche circumstances
And even in duo its still weird cos well
- You arent dealing with 4 people worth of specials by yourself.
- You have to be a lot more self sufficient
Basically duo is about dealing with a more balanced group of enemies but being able to be more self sufficient
in 4 man you sometimes need to deal with the full ass special wave cos your team is busy tied down
And at that point some guns start really shining
astral blade
Question do y’all reckon that fatshark will fix the vet tree this patch upcoming or do you think they will only add keystones?
gusty bison
Revolver in particular has a drop in power from 2 man to 4 man
Its still batshit insane good
But less so
Its not as ridiculously powerful in 4
unless you are running 4 revolvers
then fine
astral blade
???
gusty bison
Its more that you have a more limited window to deal with a greater number of specials, the goal is to drop as many specials as early and quickly as possible
in a 4 man vs a 2 man
Iirc its less.
Elites as well
Dont look at per player
look at overall
Like volver is amazing and all, but its "weakness" is you deal with 5 targets per reload.
Thats... kinda low.
Im checking the scoreboards of some games I played with friends.
25 min, about 120 specials
25-30
Yea speedrunning also creates an artificial skew environment
Where some builds are better cos the pressure is lighter
15 min is basically a speed run
Docking 10 mins off of a 25 minute game is a speed run mate.
junior needle
Got a 6d vet in the regular maelstrom, constantly out of ammo even in the first area, spraying into melee chaffe constantly
Taking multiple pulls of ammo crates
gusty bison
Ascension riser?
junior needle
gusty bison
Yea cos that one has a lot of speed gates
And a LOT of events
you are hard paced
Its not actually that long
its that it doesnt let you speed run it
Its 30 min...
30min is not that long for an average
The thing is you cant go fast on it
But at a regular 4 man pace
Its not long
It has a lot of start-stop events that prevent you forcing your way through it
pastel geode
Tl:dr it’s an anti speedrunner map
gusty bison
Regular map is 25-27
20-25 is a fast clear
This is why I say solo and duo make poor gauges for the actual 4 man game
Cos the tactics and situations are just so different they are not applicable
Its literally a completely different game
frank ether
meanwhile in steam forums
gusty bison
at that point
gusty bison
meanwhile in steam forums
languid stump
meanwhile in steam forums
Gee I wonder why
pastel geode
The normal maps would probably be the same length if they didn’t follow their original idea of having variants of the maps for different objectives.
south prairie
Got a 6d vet in the regular maelstrom, constantly out of ammo even in the first ...
I mean at this point isnt reconlas a mob weapon?
pastel geode
meanwhile in steam forums
That’s gotta be bait lol
south prairie
I got a columnis thats pretty damn good with deadshot and can scythe whole mobs in a few mags
gusty bison
Uhhh whats 49+41?
frank ether
That’s gotta be bait lol
nah I think its serious lmao
halcyon pivot
thankies @dull rampart
gusty bison
Cos once again
speed running makes the game easier
So going fast isnt a good indicator of difficulty
Nah.
pastel geode
Speed=less chances for the game director to throw curveballs
gusty bison
going faster causes the ai director to fuck up
Cos it hits its limit
It also causes the spawns to fuck up
Faster is not harder lol
Try doing a 40 minute duo
pastel geode
Enemies spawn when you enter a new cell
gusty bison
You will see
Yea you will get periods of "yawn"
but like its not the periods of "yawn" that make a game easier/harder
its how hard the worst situations are
pastel geode
I’ve watched an empty room suddenly be full of enemies as my teammates get close to revive
gusty bison
In 80% of an auric maelstrom run, the team isnt really in any threat of dying
Grab the scoreboard for that one
Ur 15 minute game?
Lel
Ur 100 special game?
Sir, either its a 15 minute 100 special game
or its a 37 minute 100 special game
BOTH OF THESE counter your own argument
pastel geode
Do the same game but don’t speedrun it just for science’s sake
gusty bison
pastel geode
That’s either a lie or broken ai spawns
gusty bison
Ngl this is why people don't take solo/duo players that seriously.
Its not "much harder", its "different"
pastel geode
I’ve never been lucky enough to experience the bug then
pastel geode
Ok now you’re bullshitting
frank ether
what happens to your winrate when you quit lobby
gusty bison
to the point of the sample size being so small its negligible
gusty bison
what happens to your winrate when you quit lobby
Check the mod I guess
I dunno if it counts quit games
Cos if it doesnt...
well
To preserve your 100% win rate
duh
frank ether
Check the mod I guess
I'm not gonna install a winrate mod lmao
pastel geode
I just got here Tbf but I refuse to believe anyone can have a 100% winrate legitimately
gusty bison
All we have is the word of some random stranger on an online forum where people fabricate bullshit all the time
Sooo
Not to mention scoreboard chasing is a thing. Not that common, but it deffo exists
It really comes down to how mods track quit games
swift ingot
I need to stop focusing so much on the scoreboard and just play the fucking game
pastel geode
I should try gaslighting people next patch into thinking the shovel is better than the psword
frank ether
It really comes down to how mods track quit games
yea pretty much, and I dont care enough to investigate
delicate moat
fr
gusty bison
Apart from the fact you skipped some of those games
dusty violet
zealot and veteran i go down
delicate moat
gusty bison
Just go watch your own video
Easier than me rattling off a bunch of numbers and names.
delicate moat
i think vet is my worst character despite playing it the most
gusty bison
I mean thats still a loss
jolly cave
What is even the argument, that Azreal is good at the game?
gusty bison
That Azreal apparently has a 100% win rate on auric 4 man
as zealot
which... he doesnt
Never said this.
I said its different
delicate moat
imagine not anticipating the ones you insta lose on join
brave verge
found it as a blue with the t1 headhunter, I don't have a higher tier one atm. What should I change the perks to?
late hatch
imagine not anticipating the ones you insta lose on join
obviously a skill issue
junior needle
Got a 6d vet in the regular maelstrom, constantly out of ammo even in the first ...
I told him he'd have way more ammo if he wouldn't spray into melee chaffe, and this was his response after getting carried
jolly cave
Why does that matter?
gusty bison
Why does that matter?
The argument earlier was that Azrael claimed that 4 man auric was easy and he had a 100% win rate on it as a zealot, which... he doesnt
By his own proof
acoustic wyvern
I told him he'd have way more ammo if he wouldn't spray into melee chaffe, and t...
no no he has a point. magdumping is really fun. Let him face the consequences later
pastel geode
always magdump in moderation
umbral scaffold
they really overtuned the mk6 huh
junior needle
found it as a blue with the t1 headhunter, I don't have a higher tier one atm. W...
Wouldn't recommend investing into any of the recons currently, but 6d is the best of the shitheap. Perks to 5% crit/flak/maniac/unyielding whatever your preference is. I'd go maniac or flak and 5% crit.
junior needle
no no he has a point. magdumping is really fun. Let him face the consequences la...
He's sadly not facing the consequences because he's getting carried
swift ingot
always magdump in moderation
Exactly
umbral scaffold
you magdump ripper guns and stubbers
gusty bison
Azrealt - Zealot. 4 man Vigil Station. LOST
swift ingot
you magdump ripper guns and stubbers
Correct
gusty bison
And you did 22k damage so it wasnt spawning into a lost game
acoustic wyvern
He's sadly not facing the consequences because he's getting carried
getting carried is the consequences hahaha. finish up the game and hope you dont see him anymore
fathom grail
Pug vet mag dumping is part of the pug maelstrom experience
jolly cave
Idk, I don't think auric is easy, maybe for him. I could believe a high win rate with zealot just from the clip of surviving spawning into a game on fire with 1hp.
fathom grail
Especially when it’s melee only
acoustic wyvern
nah auric maelstrom is definitely not easy
umbral scaffold
ogryns always mag dump
acoustic wyvern
on average
umbral scaffold
its how their weapons are
gusty bison
Idk, I don't think auric is easy, maybe for him. I could believe a high win rat...
I can believe 95%
maybe even 98%
but 100% is a bold claim
pastel geode
Ogryn magdump is just lore accurate
umbral scaffold
you magdump the kicback, you magdump the rumbler, you magdump the ripper, you magdump the stubber
gusty bison
Cos 100% implies perfection ALL the time
frank ether
but 100% is a bold claim
its always %100 if I cut out the parts where I lose 
gusty bison
Which is a lot LOT harder than 95%
junior needle
My favorite part is that the scoreboard looks like this afterwards
umbral scaffold
the ONLY weapon you dont magdump is the blastoom, although with blaze away you can
you can choose not to magdump stubbers and rippers too
fathom grail
Mag dump the snipers with lickback
jolly cave
Does zealot just have a lot more survivability than veteran? I never played one
umbral scaffold
its funny cuz the mag on the kickback and rumbler is 1
delicate moat
My favorite part is that the scoreboard looks like this afterwards
imagine not having most environmental dmg, massive L
umbral scaffold
so its impossible to not magdump
fathom grail
Blind mag dump feels so good
pastel geode
Does zealot just have a lot more survivability than veteran? I never played one
they have a temporary invun when they hit 1 health
junior needle
Yee, the one and only
umbral scaffold
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1BP9kc4DFqwUdn/d1337LETIF5...
kickback is so overtuned
they have dog immunity :O
gusty bison
Also the reason why I dont believe in 100% WRs in 4 man pugs after a certain period of time is cos at some point, one of your "allies" is gonna blow you off the edge with a barrel or a burster xD
frank ether
Does zealot just have a lot more survivability than veteran? I never played one
beating vet on survivability not a very hard bar
umbral scaffold
why am i just hearing about this
frank ether
unless you include shout spam
fathom grail
kickback is so overtuned
To be fair I’ve also done this before the buffs
gusty bison
You will get that ONE GUY who is worse than a bot
junior needle
I did see one other person named Kim-JongUn so I'm not the only one with the idea
jolly cave
How do you get dog immunity?
swift ingot
kickback is so overtuned
They just need to lower the minimum pellet count and it’ll be all good
umbral scaffold
yeah how do you get dog immunity
delicate moat
yeah how do you get dog immunity
catboy talent
umbral scaffold
you talking about that one sigmar blessing from chaos wastes?
is that an ogryn or vet talent
fathom grail
catboy talent
I prefer the zealot boykisser build
gusty bison
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1BP9kc4DFqwUdn/d1337LETIF5...
Pew fkin Pew
junior needle
They just need to lower the minimum pellet count and it’ll be all good
snipers are just made out of paper mache
umbral scaffold
whats ogryns resist dog talent
oh right under feel no pain
the ironbreaker talent
but whats vets
umbral scaffold
me when i tinker my grenades and accidently discover stun immunity
gusty bison
So understandable if you dont count it
frank ether
I miss crab
fathom grail
Useless keystones?
frank ether
vet club should unionize
delicate moat
wait how do u get the WIN/LOSS thing from scoreboard?
wanton dawn
Almost all death this patch comes from trapper or team not shooting dog
umbral scaffold
does everyone here NOT have a job
wanton dawn
wait how do u get the WIN/LOSS thing from scoreboard?
U update your mods
jolly cave
How do you recommend getting good at auric runs? Just keep doing them until I start winning?
umbral scaffold
1 hour of treadmill walking
frank ether
How do you recommend getting good at auric runs? Just keep doing them until I s...
just git gud in general there is no secret sauce
umbral scaffold
where you walk on a treadmill
sharp ember
How do you recommend getting good at auric runs? Just keep doing them until I s...
if you can win damnations, basic aurics are just the same thing but with less breaks in between waves
make sure to keep moving so you don't get whittled down by constant special waves
jolly cave
Damnations are pretty straightforward, just get overwhelmed in auric
umbral scaffold
the best way to get better is to play vermintide 2, the better game
sharp ember
some maps have really bad hard-points where special waves can really pin you down with a horde
wanton dawn
Getting good in auric is mostly getting good in melee+dodging special
fathom grail
Lots and lots of memes
umbral scaffold
getting good in auric is abusing busted weapons and talents
mk 6 power sword, surge staff, kickback
wanton dawn
Is lawbringer a busted weap ? 
umbral scaffold
nuh uh
fathom grail
Kickback is alright but I don’t see it being better than ripper
gusty bison
How do you recommend getting good at auric runs? Just keep doing them until I s...
Pick a weapon set you are comfortable with and keep running it.
Focus on the fundamentals
umbral scaffold
Kickback is alright but I don’t see it being better than ripper
u are dead wrong
jolly cave
I use a Mk12 lasgun and chainsword in damnations and do pretty well
fathom grail
jolly cave
Usually a horde of ragers or crushers is what gets my team
sharp ember
i JUST came back from running a kickback, it's wild how far it reaches and still 1-shots
gusty bison
Your footwork, positioning, blocking, pushing, attack combos.
Learning how to shoot out of melee is also a pretty important skill
umbral scaffold
surge staff is second best prolly
wanton dawn
The only mod which i think require build adaptation is the no ammo maelstrom
swift ingot
Which is really weird to say considering the place it was at for a long while
umbral scaffold
The only mod which i think require build adaptation is the no ammo maelstrom
build adaptation: survivalist
wanton dawn
build adaptation: survivalist
Not even thzt
gusty bison
I use a Mk12 lasgun and chainsword in damnations and do pretty well
The main thing about auric vs regular damnation is the pressure situations are much more intense, so its a lot more punishing of errors. Its more about making sure you fuck up less, and less about making sure you have better spikes.
Consistency is the key.
wanton dawn
I would try without surv but i don't want to get annoyed by ppl who see me run without it 🤷
umbral scaffold
the best thing to do in auric maelstroms is free your fucking TEAMATES FROM NETS
you DONT NEED TO KILL EVERYTHING FIRST JSUT HALF A SECOND TAKE THE DAMAGE BITRCH
fathom grail
fathom edge
damn
wanton dawn
I am not going out of my way to unnet. Dog though...
old quail
the more people go down to stupid shit the longer i stare at them before each revive
umbral scaffold
so many times i see CLUELESS teamates just let their teamates stay netted for a few seconds too long and the game is joever
fathom grail
First rule of pug club is to never rely on your teammates
Also first rule of pug club is to bring your meme loadouts
fathom grail
Another first rule of pug club is to always bring your low level friend to maelstrom
umbral scaffold
i brought my level 23 friend to an auric maelstrom and we ended up winning
wanton dawn
Idc about ordo. I have bough all i could with it
umbral scaffold
smasha the female zealot vs nothing but crushers and maulers
wanton dawn
The only thing left is high stat weapon chasing
Or blessing hunting i guess. Same really
iron marten
Dump 3 million ordo just to get two 380 modifiers
fathom grail
I can’t wait for fs to release a new “mod” but it’s basically spawning specials out of thin air
It’s gonna be amazing
Just gonna give the mod a fancy name
wanton dawn
Dump 3 million ordo just to get two 380 modifiers
380 distrib is never guarantee to be good
fathom grail
Like “special ambush”
delicate moat
I might consider leaving if ppl do not push dog
people still shoot bursters when someone else is pushing in AM
iron marten
380 distrib is never guarantee to be good
But I simply like seeing the big number
frank ether
Dump 3 million ordo just to get two 380 modifiers
then watch hadron brick it
wanton dawn
people still shoot bursters when someone else is pushing in AM
Buster is a special case cuz sometimes you need to shoot, sometimes you need to push
delicate moat
when someone else is pushing
wanton dawn
Also sometimes ppl stands on them on the ground
iron marten
then watch hadron brick it
Truly the best