veteran-class

[frank ledge]

even on a hallway u can just bug yourself onto the curved walls around you

[frank ether]

I mean its very low risk bait

as opposed to baiting plague ogryn overhead swing

[frank ledge]

bullying ogryn and chaos spawn is fun

[frank ether]

yee

chaos spawn is the kinda scary one

but very easy with right tools

[frank ledge]

head hitbox very small

[frank ether]

as usual with most monstrosities

good fucking luck getting headshots

[frank ledge]

idk I get plogryn reliably

in melee*

[frank ether]

plg not that bad if its stunned very easy

it does swing that head a lot though

still big head, easy

[timid otter]

Plague ogryn isnt that hard in general

[frank ledge]

only if people don't bait it to do the hand attack

if people know the rat ogre dance, plogryn suddenly melts

[frank ether]

its very easy once its stunned

problem is it needs to sit still and not be turning in circles

[frank ledge]

because it keeps repeating the hand down strike 4-5 times

but again, we are dealing with people that don't know the concept of a tide game

so people that can rat ogre dance plogryn are very rare

[placid portal]

Dancing with Plogryn is fun

[frank ether]

pogryn

[placid portal]

[south spindle]

the only issue with that is that it sometimes does the underhand swing, which is a pretty fast attack, an then ofc it yeets your accross the room. Though (maybe a bit weirdly) you can actually parry that attack with Catachan Sword

[frank ledge]

ye it's the old anti tech dance measure chaos spawn had in vt2

[south spindle]

Actually think you can parry all of plogryns attacks

Ye

[frank ledge]

^^

plogryn stagger res is a joke

[frank ether]

well parry is a little busted in that regard

[frank ledge]

not as busted as the slap

[frank ether]

slap looks hilarious tho

[mellow adder]

For the "On Overwatch" achievement, does getting grabbed by Pox Hounds and Mutants ruin it?

[south spindle]

It could do with a few tweaks for sure so you're not parrying absolutely everything. I dont think you should be able to parry the stomp for example

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-slap2-slap-let-me-slap-you-movie-gif-17810319

Ogryn moment

[frank ledge]

Overheads from crushers

[south spindle]

I havent tried to parry those, just seems kinda ill-advised

Can you actually do it though?

[frank ledge]

yes

[south spindle]

Bruh

Yeah ok, thats not alright

[frank ledge]

overheads from captains too

[south spindle]

Lmao, what the fuck even

[frank ledge]

both versions

the slow and fast ones

even the running one

[south spindle]

Parry literally the most OP weapon special in teh whole game then

Gives me an idea...

Attack speed buffs effect the parry animation, so attack speed Martyrdom parry only build

[frank ledge]

if parry was less generous with timing

then...maybe and even then

but holy it's almost twice the mordhau parry window

[south spindle]

Its fucking gargantuan aye

Really super generous

[fleet drift]

Can someone tell me the advantage of Shovel?

[quick burrow]

if u need to dig a hole you can

[tepid pagoda]

It's funny

There's really no obvious mechanical reason to use shovel afaik

It's good at most things, not great at anything (other than maybe stagger)

Unlike something like Combat Axe which is good at most things, but great at single target.

[gusty bison]

Stagger

All the fkin stagger

[frank ledge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1171797372586696764/image.png?ex=655dfc58&is=654b8758&hm=bb370f9166e623729c5fd826333f52152ef8569a6b430fa5acad5f1163114b1c&

the vision

[south spindle]

Whole moveset is relevant, can stagger p'much everything 'cept monsters, good blessings, highly mobile..

Its a jack of all trades, master of none

Imo, Shovel is absolutely S tier

Pretty sure it just effects coherency regen

[visual kestrel]

Vet shovel or ogryn shovel? either way both are very good options

[south spindle]

Yer

[fleet drift]

What’s the blessing I should get for my chain sword?

[wise bridge]

if its the one that counts taking health damage, if you get grabbed by a mutant against the edge of the floor they don't slam you they throw you instead

[tepid pagoda]

From coherency

[south spindle]

Basically yeah

[tepid pagoda]

It's worse than a single toughness regen curio

[south spindle]

Rampage + Savage/Shred/Wrath, users choice

[fleet drift]

I feel like farming for Power sword Blessing yield me no result at all

So I opt to try my luck on chain sword now

[frank ledge]

u can complain to fatshark and leave a negative review about crafting

[timid otter]

What are the ideal perks for plasma?

I will test this if i don’t get conclusive answers but id prefer to save the time.

[frank ledge]

check the veteranomicon

[unkempt lagoon]

where

[south spindle]

Literally everyone hates how the crafting system puts you at the mercy of like 5 layers of RNG

[frank ledge]

none because veterans haven't done the monumental work that certain chads have

[south spindle]

Its atrocious. Worst part of what is otherwise a pretty good game

[frank ledge]

😛

[unkempt lagoon]

sobbing

just psyker and ogrynomicon for now then right?

[fleet drift]

Also when will I get my hand on some sweet sweet Xenos/Daemonic weapon

Wait do we even know what Ordo we are currently serving?

[unkempt lagoon]

the ordo dockets I think

[fleet drift]

The real answer

[dusty ferry]

Your ordo dockets, hand it over

[south spindle]

No, am poor

[mystic escarp]

Got to resist the urge, but my plasma keep whispering "grap more ammo you filthy pig"

[fervent quiver]

Fuck, now I must ask, what mods are considered essential

[mystic escarp]

Here's mine

[fervent quiver]

Ohmylordylordy

[dusty ferry]

They are very handy

Would suggest getting the ones Danya put

There is also a weapon fov mod if you want to set the aim and weapon FOV

[fervent quiver]

Modding is the exact same way as it usually is?

Just throw it into a mods folder?

[dusty ferry]

Yes

And then type the exact name in the text editor thing

[fervent quiver]

There an optics mod amongst that?

[mystic escarp]

more_characters_and_loadouts
weapon_customization
FullAuto
NumericUI
BetterMelk
ChatBlock

I think those are must have

[mystic escarp]

Yup, the second one

[fervent quiver]

Aight I see

[south spindle]

What does Better Melk do?

[fervent quiver]

Time to put an acog on my bolter before I get crucified by the tech priests

[mystic escarp]

Automatically accept new contracts and collect the weekly completion bonus, and display your current contract progress in character select.

[frank ledge]

You can grab it

[kind ore]

I main ogryn and I didn;t play veteran properly in a year. I would like to ask everyone what is your curio setup? Do you go 3 hp, or 2hp 1 toughness?

[frank ledge]

You just have to sprint through

[fervent quiver]

2hp 1t for me

[mystic escarp]

I'm not good at it, and it was auric damnation mission

So it was not worth it

[dusty ferry]

I run 3 toughness, sometimes 2 toughness 1 stamina

[frank ledge]

It's always worth to risk the run for funny moment

[south spindle]

Huhhhhh

[frank ledge]

doesn't matter anyway

[dusty ferry]

If anything is a threat

[south spindle]

Might have to pick that up then

[dusty ferry]

Blow it away

[frank ledge]

u get plasteel no matter if u win or loose

[mystic escarp]

[frank ledge]

which is the only resource that matters

[dusty ferry]

The diamantine inflation is real

😔

[mystic escarp]

can't stop spending, my inventory is full of shit

[frank ledge]

[dusty ferry]

Spend more

NOW

[mystic escarp]

Also never saw people talk about shovels have 6 dodges
Is that maximum amount amongst of all weps?

[frank ledge]

yes

[mystic escarp]

Oh fuck I will gotta get me new helbore III

[frank ledge]

now that infinite dodges are gone

[mystic escarp]

New meta

[dusty ferry]

Yes

Shovel has always had 6 dodges, making it versatile for movement

[mystic escarp]

Bonking never ends

[dusty ferry]

Then again shovel is a jester. As in, good in everything, not great.

But also

BONK

[acoustic wyvern]

Power shovel when

[south spindle]

Yep. It makes funny "plunk!" sound on the heavies. Instant S tier

[mystic escarp]

I like it more than katachan swords actually

[dusty ferry]

That's fair

it is my top used weapon

[acoustic wyvern]

KATACHAN

[dusty ferry]

Katachan makes me go ayaya

because yes

[mystic escarp]

And yeah my shovel is fucking top tier

[dusty ferry]

Can you post the names I dont recognize the images

[hasty flame]

Give all of the stats

[frank ledge]

thunderous

forgor name of other

[dusty ferry]

Ah

Good shovel

[mystic escarp]

Sure, sec

[dusty ferry]

Oooh

For all the shovellers

[fleet drift]

In all seriousness Power pick exist so Power Shovel should as well

[dusty ferry]

We can cope for a power shovel

[viral nacelle]

Power shovel might imply someone somewhere cares about people who have to dig

And will therefore never happen

[dusty ferry]

Power shovel implies that we can dig more efficiently

[viral nacelle]

Exactly, supreme heresy

Gotta dig like the ancestors

[dusty ferry]

Efficiency? In Warhammer? Damn heretics.

Cannot do shit by themselves

[south spindle]

Yeah.. efficiency is banned by the Imperium

[fleet drift]

Imagine we guardmen get to play with Gauss flayer

[dusty ferry]

Just remember everything you do is for the emperor and move on

And then we have Hadron who asks us to be efficient

Hadron hypocrite confirmed

[dusty ferry]

In before Gauss Flayer is for zealots only

[frank ledge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1172225599243304970/image.png?ex=655f8b29&is=654d1629&hm=a5712333173af8c00166e8ff513e6270edfe78c2be10e70aceef7fdea2a6e97a&

[mystic escarp]

Okay, the reason I have only 59% of piercing damage (or whatever you call it, can't translate it properly) is that I already got Uncanny strike to deal with armor
Now I want to deal with unarmored and horde, so that's what perks are for

And maybe I should actually switch some of perks to maniac, but I'm fine for now

[acoustic wyvern]

Emperor would surely forgive my transgressions if i keep adding more stickers and skulls on a gauss flayer

[south spindle]

Hey! thats my Zealot!

[frank ledge]

stolen for shovle reasons

[south spindle]

[dusty ferry]

[south spindle]

I'll allow it

[frank ledge]

I also stole someone's ogryn

I forgot who's

[dusty ferry]

Zealots stealing Ogryns' shovels

[mystic escarp]

By Lord that zealot was granted with holy Drip to style on thy foes

[south spindle]

Thank you sir/ma'am

🫡

[fleet drift]

Don’t forget your Prayer and Purity Seal

[mystic escarp]

I would go by purge/heretics

[south spindle]

[dusty ferry]

Fucking

based

[fleet drift]

Imperial fist relic shovel

But it’s actually Iron warrior heresy era shovel

[frank ledge]

same thing

both make dumb fortify

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-gif-18200364

[dusty ferry]

Speaking of shovel
thwack

That rager was not having it though

[mystic escarp]

We need no armor, rage will protect us

[dusty ferry]

Fuck armor spccing

We scream

[mystic escarp]

Local veteran is too angry to die

[dusty ferry]

Also I see your vet and mine have the same drip

[mystic escarp]

Also gotta take care of that knees :3

[dusty ferry]

Knee sliding protection pads

Gotta grind those knees for the emperor

[mystic escarp]

it's the best
Shame vets got so less "crazy hobo" type stuff than zealots

[dusty ferry]

Yeeaa

Wish we were not that limited to fashion stuff for a nomad like look

[acoustic wyvern]

One day we'll have a mod that changes our slide to a powerslide.

[dusty ferry]

Powerslide: sliding into an enemy (even a monstrosity) makes them fly off to the sun

[acoustic wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/power-slide-slide-rock-hard-bradley-gif-7717577

[modern crescent]

trepang2 gameplay:

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/action-drama-show-me-your-war-face-yelling-training-gif-3298937

[mystic escarp]

There is some decent stuff in files, but gotta wait for that rotation

[mystic escarp]

reminded me of Bulletstorm game, was fantastic

[trim hemlock]

The left one was not yet officially released IIRC

[mystic escarp]

Yup, I think so
Just like this one I think

[trim hemlock]

The right one certainly has, that’s from Sgt. Zorin “Flyby” bundle

[trim hemlock]

Nope, I don’t think it was either

[mystic escarp]

Saw it in shop while ago, but wasn't really investing in that game cause I had it in my Game Pass PC

Also I think that's the new headgear we will get in a new pack?

[umbral scaffold]

When steel legion uniform will be available again for buying?

[trim hemlock]

I would assume that it’s the case

[fervent quiver]

Let's go ten million errors from my mods

[trim hemlock]

Which one, the yellow one? We don’t know

[mystic escarp]

Show us what mods you have

[trim hemlock]

It’s not on a schedule

It just HAPPENS BY, I.e., is probably rolled by some algorithm that FS incorporated

[mystic escarp]

Just buy this one and recolor it with mods

[fervent quiver]

nah everything was there

is

just first time boot stuff

[umbral scaffold]

Даня шутник дохуя

[mystic escarp]

)

[mystic escarp]

Just spend more

Or it will rotate away from store
Do it
DO IT

[umbral scaffold]

🤡

[fleet drift]

Me waiting for Catachan muscle

[mystic escarp]

wym?

[frank ledge]

Pearl clutcher gear is real

[sharp ember]

me coming back from a mission in the middle-hive and definitely not looting a home

[fleet drift]

I want my Veteran a comically big muscle as a skin

[mystic escarp]

The Sly Marbo experience

[sharp ember]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-square-pants-work-out-muscles-flex-nickelodeon-gif-3580600

[dusty ferry]

Someday someone will make a mod that replaces melee with Blahaj

[fleet drift]

Ahhhhhhhhh

[mystic escarp]

LMAO

[frank ledge]

we can finally clutch pearls

[fleet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-wh40k-sly-marbo-aaaaaa-alfabusa-gif-14316691

[fathom grail]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-typing-kitten-typing-typing-gif-9421482755570860732

[lean light]

Sly marbo is so strong he doesn't wait for his updates

[cloud current]

is this the normal veteran experience in damnation, should i just play ogryn to baby sit my ogryns

[fathom grail]

You should always play ogryn

[fervent quiver]

damn

[dusty ferry]

It’s time

Shovel at auric time

[cloud current]

I'm genuinely asking because I was hesitant on playing damnation and I thought people didn't dare play that until they have a clue but I feel like people make the weirdest decisions

[kind scarab]

This plays like a PSA for not using the shovel

[keen sleet]

Saw a lvl 20 shredder vet in damnation quick play, happened to be high intensity and he still readied up

[dusty ferry]

More like use it even if you die

do it for the memes

[kind scarab]

As someone who plays exclusively T5+

And have seen level fucking 16 people run themselves into a T5 maelstrom

And even level 30+300 and up play like shit

[dusty ferry]

I have a seen level 2 in t5 maelstrom somehow survive

[kind scarab]

Like my last game

It doesn't really matter who you queue up with

You'll always find brainlettes

[dusty ferry]

Everyone is a brainlette at the end of the day

Question is who can utilise that single braincell well

[cloud current]

sometimes I get the most flawless missions where everyone is doing their job, watching their teammates back, it feels like a well oiled machine

sometimes I feel like I have to play like I'm alone and I ahve to run left and right to take care of shit and then we die anyway#

I'll play t4 until contracts done I guess

[kind scarab]

I still gotta get 9 more books for my weekly

And I only do T5's cause plasteel

[cloud current]

how much of the resources do you keep in a failure?

[south spindle]

Always re-roll books fella

[fathom grail]

Personally I always expect to carry the run when it comes to pugging

[kind scarab]

No, only the weak do that, and I got a whole ass 700 melkbucks for doing it

[wise bridge]

it bugs me when sub 30s end up in auric maelstrom or they come in and have blue or green weapons with t1 perks and blessings

[cloud current]

isn't auric 30 only? and why is it not?

[fathom grail]

Ogryn is a beast especially when you know how to dodge and is (for me) the easiest to carry a run

[wise bridge]

i think they queued in with a friend idk

im totally fine with people joining damnation sub30

[cloud current]

Yeah my ogryn games feel so much easier than veteran, I feel like I cannot die, everything is staggered

[south spindle]

Yeah if you got a lowbie in Auric they're paired up with a 30

[cloud current]

but when I play vet my ogryns get stunlocked on one rager

[south spindle]

Dont really care in normal Auric, but when you see em in Maelstrom i do think "nah, cmon now dude"

Thankfully thats pretty rare

[wise bridge]

when i get them i often get more than one

like a level 24 and level 26

[cloud current]

what's maelstrom exactly

[south spindle]

I guess people just assume that higher setting = more exp and thusly faster levels, without realising they have to actually complete the mission to benifit

[dusty ferry]

Multiple fuck you modifiers

[south spindle]

Yeah, that^

Super fun

[dusty ferry]

Nurgle’s blessing which makes enemies immune to staggers, waves of pox bursters/mutants, reduced ability cool-downs by 20% and your other common negative modifiers

..and specialists spawning as weakened monstrosities

[south spindle]

Yeah there is a whole bunch of em

They can roll in various combos too

Lights out and monsters with Nurgles blessing for example

[dusty ferry]

I think 4 of those modifiers are unique to maelstrom only

[sharp ember]

yeh, the non maelstroms are consistently hi-intensity or hi-int shock troop

[fathom wedge]

Does vet have a good build for las pistol.

[sharp ember]

is there still a high proportion of unweakened monsters during monstro maelstrom?

[fathom wedge]

I just got a bonkers one

[dusty ferry]

Vet crit las pistol build is there

[dusty ferry]

Don’t think so

[frank ledge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1172497447638020106/image.png?ex=65608857&is=654e1357&hm=dcfcc1234532c66dc82a02b39f609fc4e5997c2b5343aff1685871e5f6213c3b&
Finally I can experience what the average pub player sees

[dusty ferry]

BFG
Big Fucking Shovel

[kind ore]

I made this pistol lets see how it holds up

[placid portal]

So long as you crit it'll hold

I have a Laspistol but zero Damage blessings

[kind ore]

I have a commisar build with power sword and plasma so I don't know how a crit build looks like

[placid portal]

Still slaps bc deadshot carries laspistol damage

simply slap on Deadshot

You would want to go middle & right primarily but deadshot is the bare minimum

[kind ore]

This is what I run since I didnt play veteran for a year lol

[placid portal]

You could reset the middle lower tree with Kill Confirm and Superiority complex as primary focus

With 3 points you can invest into deadshot

what melee are you using pairing with the Laspistol

[kind ore]

Currently my only good weapon is a power sword but I am not sure.

[placid portal]

Nice roll

[midnight patrol]

Best mk7 i've rolled so far... Unfortunately. My psyker got it.

[placid portal]

Oof

[midnight patrol]

My Vet is now plotting to raid her weapon locker.

[kind ore]

Time to be a gun psyker

[midnight patrol]

Unironically am, so I'm not too sad

[placid portal]

"Blow up pancakes with MIND!!!"

[midnight patrol]

Pure stock rolls

Hadron bloody loves pyskers.

[fervent quiver]

took me so fucking long

[placid portal]

What the fu

[fervent quiver]

just to get a decent crosshair

[placid portal]

This is some very cluttered HUD

[keen wharf]

i feel like this Combination is kind of Cursed.

[placid portal]

Really do

💀

[kind ore]

should I rework my tree and go down the shock trooper line?

[fervent quiver]

It's actually not the biggest strain, which is the funny thing

It took me like an hour of experimentation to get it right

[placid portal]

ShockTrooper is only a choice if you're gonna focus on shooting

the ammo is very generous regardless

[kind ore]

I see

[fervent quiver]

this is how bad it is

[kind ore]

thank

[cloud current]

Is there a way to show allies health bars above their heads

[placid portal]

Yes it's called looking at the bottom left

[midnight patrol]

What I want is a mod that allows me to see how much ammo I normally have

I keep forgetting if I am going to swallow 30 out of 32 rounds lmao

[cloud current]

But I don't want to look bottom left and parse whose name I'm looking at and shit

[fervent quiver]

I'm so used to the UI that it was hard to change anything

[turbid frigate]

How do I get the free veteran bundle on xbox?

[kind scarab]

You mean the vanguard bundle?

You don't.

[fervent quiver]

Fuck I hate that I can keep track of all my hud clutter I added

[hazy reef]

May I ask your opinions on a Lasgun I recently made?

[celest vine]

Post it

[celest vine]

Id change only one thing but thats my personal preference

Crit damage to chance

I have had full power packs be crits with it

[sharp ember]

lookin good, would rather maniac or unyielding over crit dmg

[hazy reef]

To be fair I was going to change that to Carapace

[celest vine]

The 1A does fuck all to carapace anyway

25% more damage on 2 damage points isnt worth it

You go from 2 damage to 2.4

[hazy reef]

I see, in which case Maniac or Crit chance would be preferable

[celest vine]

How do you play?

Good at hitting headshots?

[hazy reef]

Well I'm on console, so I would say I'm inconsistent at best

[celest vine]

Crit chance then

Default with the crit chance boost perk youll have 40%

Then one headshot gets you to 60%

Youll gave insane crit rate

[sharp ember]

i'm of the mind of letting your crit chance get carried by Headhunter, and taking either maniac to kill priority specials faster if you miss the head and hit the body instead, or unyielding to burn bulwarks and monsters faster

[celest vine]

You’ll two hit headshot ragers anyway with or without maniac damage

And you can onehit crit headshot all flamers and trappers without it to start

Its just rager damage at that point, which if you cant kill them quick enough youre swapping to your melee

[hazy reef]

To be fair I use a Chainaxe for melee

Other than that I play shout Guarsman

[turbid frigate]

What's the best blessings on the chain sword cadian?

[abstract stream]

I want the fucking hat.

Why is the "give ammo to allies" perk still not implemented.

[trim hemlock]

Frankly, FS not fixing penances is either incompetence in prioritisation of tasks, or… it could be a sign that they are working on penance-related stuff in the back end

[strange grove]

For a bolter - Would you rather have 5% crit ch. or 25% suppression?

[abstract stream]

I dont give a shit about FS.

Give me hat.

Now.

[pine plume]

FS simply doesn't care

[trim hemlock]

Crit, probably, so to have less waiting time for stacking Surgical and generally deal more damage, sometimes

[acoustic wyvern]

giving ammo to allies perk is not implemented?

we got something better no?

[pine plume]

He is talking about the penance

The perk is fine

[pearl granite]

sometime I charge my power sword but it run out of energy immediately. anyone know why?

[acoustic wyvern]

theres a duration for all 3 strikes and blocking attacks - a stack too

[delicate moat]

faulty battery

[pearl granite]

like, I see an enemy 10m away. I charge my sword, run toward it, and slash. the attack is without energy...

[dense light]

Have you tried replacing the batteries

[pearl granite]

btw which perk should I have on psword?

maniac + flak?

[safe flower]

Question, does "Ranged Attacks" from Duck & Dive strictly include Bullets? Or does that extend to things like Trapper nets and such?

[kind scarab]

That's.... a good question

I feel that trapper nets count as projectiles, since they come out of a gun

[safe flower]

Same, but knowing pasta code..

I feel like trappers are the one thing that I reliably always dodge, and that would trigger in case I take that node.

Shotgunners, maybe.

And of course, snipers

[kind scarab]

I don't see why shotgunners wouldn't count as a projectile

Nor snipers

Knowing how lazy the devs are, they prolly got actual guns

[hearty panther]

I can say with confidence trapper nets are not a Ghostable projectile

[safe flower]

Oh, I was thinking of things that would reliably trigger it.

Cause I don't wanna be sliding in the middle of me dispatching of a gunline.

[kind scarab]

If it's not ghostable, doesn't mean it don't give you stamina on dodge

[fallow compass]

I use my sword for clearing hordes of poxwalkers

[safe flower]

Well, both read as "Ranged Attacks"

[fallow compass]

So i did extra damage on those

My gun is for special enemies

[hazy reef]

Why can't we have the Scab Gunner's helmet?

[acoustic wyvern]

to prevent friendly fire

[safe flower]

Thing is, I really doubt Duck and Cover would benefit my playstyle much, cause I can just facetank most projectiles and never bother dodging in lieau of focusing more on my aim, so the question stands to reason, whether I'd rather have nade talents, or that.

[languid terrace]

Good lasgun?

[acoustic wyvern]

nade talents are always good

[safe flower]

It's "Get to duck and cover" or take monstrosity / ogryn damage + more krak damage.

[safe flower]

Iffy, you can make it okay by changing both blessings

But it's by far not optimal.

[languid terrace]

Ghost is a no go?

[safe flower]

Most of the Inf Lasgun's damage comes from having DA and HH.

Carapace is not exactly it's optimal target, inf lasguns thrive in shooter rich environments cause it hits all their breakpoints

[sharp ember]

idk, it's an mg12, basically nothing except ogryns survive a crit headshot from that

wouldn't Deadly Accurate be overkill on medium targets?

[acoustic wyvern]

double tapping is an option

[safe flower]

DA is good for unyielding and ogryns.

[slow spade]

But big number

[sharp ember]

but, changing perk make many number bigger too

[safe flower]

Mutants don't die onetap, some maniacs don't, so technically, you'd be best off taking maniac unyielding or maniac flak.

Plus you get more ammo

From the free crits

Mostly depends on the average range you face them at. With flamers and such most often showing up in congested corridors, you don't onetap them from close without a crit iirc.

Mind you, the 1a is currently in much better standing anyways, so pumping resources into a sub-optimal 12 is a potential waste.

[acoustic wyvern]

swap out falter for deadly accurate and carapace dmg for flak or unyielding and you got a solid lasgun

use the gun on a crit or executioner talent tree is where its gonna shine

[safe flower]

I'd say HH in isolation is the better option.

The base crit on it is not exactly the highest, and you don't get too too many crit talents that are up all the time.

Even if you get your 20% from Deadshot and the first 10% of your mag, not sure if that works out properly

[acoustic wyvern]

it'll be fine cause you won't be counting your crits in a mob and just shooting things with a few shot till it dies

fail to kill a gunner? shoot him again

[umbral scaffold]

So what’s the science on sprint perks on curios and weapons?

Anything crazy?

Or eh

[acoustic wyvern]

sprint efficientcy on 3 curios and a 20% on a weapon makes your stam drop reaaaal slow

[junior needle]

3/4 at least bricked, ghost is usable for deadshot/dnd shenanigans

[umbral scaffold]

And the talent makes that even better?

[acoustic wyvern]

oh yes

its like a fun build if you're running stripped down on a braced auto

[umbral scaffold]

Probably solid on the knifes sprint speed and the columnus IAG sprint drain probably nutty

What guns have one of the lowest stamina drains?

I just wanna play around with fun builds

[slow spade]

Laspistol I guess due to the speed boost

[hearty panther]

I do 3x sprint block effic and stam regen

[acoustic wyvern]

no range weapon is truly bricked, you're just not firing it enough

[hearty panther]

That's my defaults lol

[safe flower]

Just sprint efficiency on curios makes you keep up alright with most people.

[umbral scaffold]

Seems solid

[safe flower]

Stam regen is also very good, especially with how fast it starts to regen now

[hearty panther]

I really do recommend sprint efficiency. Sprinting is blocking for ranged fire

[umbral scaffold]

I run Stam regen, combat cd, and corruption grim resist

[safe flower]

I personally run extra % toughness, stam regen and sprint efficiency.

on a mix of 1 toughness and 2 health curios

[umbral scaffold]

I need curios that have sprint efficient and block cost

[safe flower]

Depending on what melee you run, you don't need block eff.

Shovels don't really block much, you just stagger everything in front of you

[hearty panther]

Yea block is just my easy preference

[safe flower]

With PSwords, since you block cancel, you would like it though.

[acoustic wyvern]

run 60% sniper or 60% gunners and thank me later

[untold edge]

Is this worth a buy gamers

[safe flower]

60% gunner is a trap. Just pick IW and CK, you'll never run out fighting gunners / reapers.

[untold edge]

handcannon/flak, crit bonus shouldnt be a big damage loss

[safe flower]

Just my 2 cents.

[umbral scaffold]

IW and CK?

[safe flower]

Iron will and confirmed kill

[umbral scaffold]

Ok

[safe flower]

they're in a great tree anyways, so might as well

It basically makes your vet a walking tank against specials and elites

[umbral scaffold]

I find gunners are only a problem if I try trading with them

No one on my team ever picks them

[safe flower]

With those two talents you can easily

[slow spade]

Gunners are mainly an issue when you randomly run into them around a corner

[umbral scaffold]

The melee range mow down makes me bald

[slow spade]

A mag dump for like 0.2 seconds drains my 217 toughness Vet

[safe flower]

With confirmed kill you regen toughness over time, so it works as a buffer against toughness damage as well

Plus you get that immediate toughness

killing two specials for 100% regen is basically done super quickly

[umbral scaffold]

I find snipers are issues when I don’t have range to dodge

[slow spade]

Voice of Command crutch 💪

[safe flower]

Welp, are you running shout or executioner?

[umbral scaffold]

I use the knife and shovel, so the dodge range always keeps me safe

[slow spade]

Who needs 75% damage resist when I can shout

[umbral scaffold]

They pair well

[safe flower]

Yeah, why not both

[umbral scaffold]

But I usually run executioners on vraks 7/agripnaa shotgun or infiltrate on shredder/columnus

[safe flower]

Shout is great for many things, including tanking an overhead from a crusher

Or a poxburster

Without taking any HP damage

[slow spade]

I use it to facetank snipers

Very funny

[umbral scaffold]

The 30s cooldown helps if you have the close range dmg amp on right node keystone

[safe flower]

It's usually more like 5 seconds when you're in a target rich environment

😄

Provided you can kill fast enough

Hunting grounds my beloved.

Shout, shovel swing, shout, shovel swing.

[umbral scaffold]

Man, whoever designed the 6 sec refund at the start of the iron will tree is a genius

[acoustic wyvern]

mid tree is always great

[safe flower]

Probably the single one best node in the whole tree next to shout itself

[modern canopy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/841763657524576266/1172529191804219453/image.png?ex=6560a5e7&is=654e30e7&hm=b62e150136288f2426f8fb45b2c2c81f083443b0bc09800ebbe896291212f683&=&width=736&height=663 got my first of these what perks and blessing should i look for ?

[acoustic wyvern]

survival tree

[slow spade]

Imagine if it also included elites lol

[safe flower]

Surgical.

Single best Blessing for Helbores

[slow spade]

Here's mine

[unreal drum]

every-single-helbore-vet-ive-played-with-sucks-donkey-dick

I need to play with a good one.

They get cornered and dead.

What are they doing wrong?

[willow badger]

i know nothing about shotguns. this worth picking up?

have never used one before

[trim hemlock]

It’s good stat-wise, but that’s about it for now.

At its rarity that is

[tepid pagoda]

It's a BiS blessing

[junior needle]

Agri shotgun is like a significantly worse revolver last I checked

[tepid pagoda]

For other shotguns at least

Idk on the agrip

[slow spade]

Generally their Helbore is shit, their aim is shit, or their game sense is shit

[unreal drum]

The shotgun with the fire slugs is fun.

[trim hemlock]

I wouldn’t use a shotgun on Vet still, if you are planning on performing at the role of special/elite/shooter removal

[willow badger]

i'll just pick it up to keep in my storage i guess

see what happens with new updates

[slow spade]

I had one helbore dude with like 20% accuracy

He didn't even kill when he did hit

[willow badger]

hey it's me i'm a trash helbore vet

[slow spade]

I swear Helbore users see this and think "yeah that's good enough for Auric"

[hard briar]

The Auto Laspistol

[junior needle]

Helbores are extremely good, their only actual downside being the pull out animation

(and a playstyle many dislike)

[slow spade]

Indeed, not many people use the Exec Stance instant draw too

They just use the bayonet for melee

I hope more Helbore users get filtered so they buff the draw speed though

[willow badger]

do you guys use the autofire mod for hellbore

[slow spade]

No

[willow badger]

lil buggy for me tho

[umbral scaffold]

Yuck

[sinful cave]

best headhunter autogun? ive only used the colomus infatry autogun and im looking for something a lil more accurate without just going back to funny stub

[umbral scaffold]

The single semi-auto weapons feel wrong with auto

Vraks 7 goes crazy with surgical and deadly accurate

[slow spade]

You try using a MK4 or MG la without fullauto lol

[sinful cave]

surgical on an automatic weapon?

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah that makes sense

I need a lasgun

Any blessing recommendations?

[slow spade]

I mean its not the worst if you need a dude dead like bombers

[robust mirage]

Are the kantreal lasguns viavle in high lvl runs?

[unreal drum]

The best lasgun is the mk5IAG.

[umbral scaffold]

MG la is the blue one right?

[slow spade]

Yes, they're just basic so not many use them

[near wyvern]

That's IV, Ia is green

[umbral scaffold]

Ooo

Hate the naming conventions of the weapons

Confuses me

I just categorize them based off of colour

[near wyvern]

It's just numbers most of the time

[slow spade]

Need more letters

We should use Mechanicus Designations UwU

[umbral scaffold]

I am a moron

[sharp ember]

such is the bureaucracy of weapon iteration naming

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/hit-floor-spongebob-fish-cant-take-it-gif-16897468

[near wyvern]

I like the Ia a lot more than the XII, personally

[sinful cave]

[unreal drum]

Honestly, if you don't mind crouching a lot, the mk8 BAG is probably the best "gun".

It cleaves everything and you can still tap kill snipers with it.

[sinful cave]

bag? braced autogun?

dis one?

[rocky stratus]

is vicious slice bad

[near wyvern]

I'm an "Accuracy by volume of fire" kinda guy, so columnus brauto is the one for me

Graia does too little damage imo, even with the faster firerate on brace

[marsh condor]

Just a random idea.

Or rather, a question.

[willow badger]

i am ass at hellbore but its so fun

[unreal drum]

yes sir.

[marsh condor]

Do perks and bonuses that affect Melee damage and swing rate affect the Helbore Lasguns' bayonets, and by extension any guns with a melee special attack?

[umbral scaffold]

Good question

[unreal drum]

Probably.

90% sure.

[acoustic wyvern]

pretty sure it does, but you do not want to build around that

[delicate moat]

idk why i cant seem to enjoy helbore, even though i like m1000 from DRG

[mental parcel]

lmao i love it

[slow spade]

Ready for war UwU

[gusty bison]

Helbores have a steep learning curve that requires you to get good at melee footwork. Many veterans never learnt to do footwork properly cos they were crutching on Power Sword pre Patch 13, then Devil claw or Chainsword post patch 13

[slow spade]

Yeah Helbore is one of the highest skill cap builds

Because it requires basic game knowledge

[gusty bison]

The IAGs have overtaken it in terms of top end potential, but the Mk 8 Brauto is definitely a "good enough" gun that is easy to use

[slow spade]

[unreal drum]

Anyone recommmend a good helbore build? I'll have to try it out myself.

[gusty bison]

Surgical, Onslaught

[umbral scaffold]

I’m too reliant on dodge range to survive, knife and shovel made me bad on slug mobility melee weapons

[unreal drum]

specific helbore?

[gusty bison]

Deadshot, Duck and Dive and Precision strikes for Talents

[gusty bison]

Dealer's choice

all 3 are good but play differently

[unreal drum]

I assume they're just higher damage slower fireing?

[gusty bison]

Good news is helbore has a god tier dodge for a ranged gun

You dont get many of them and the distance isnt great, but it has one of the best stabilities during a dodge

[unreal drum]

I have ton's of great stat helbores, never used one though lol.

[gusty bison]

Whatcha mean by "slower" firing xD

[slow spade]

Here's my build

[unreal drum]

The higher damage, the slower it fires?

[gusty bison]

Yes

2 is "lowest" damage wicked fire rate.
1 is in between
3 is extremely high damage and lowest fire rate

[slow spade]

I recommend Helbore 3

[acoustic wyvern]

if you're gonna run executioner you should take the reset on kill

[gusty bison]

Note when I say lowest damage its still 1 shotting all shooters in the body and most specials in the head at any range (when properly built)

And when I say lowest fire rate you are still spitting out a shot every 0.6s

[slow spade]

Oh right this was my pre-patch 14 build

Woops

Still works but its a bit sus now

Take off demo team and +1 nade talent

Put them in the Exec Stance ult upgrades

[umbral scaffold]

Does anyone even use the team mark talent in exe stance?

[slow spade]

Power sword can handle bosses except beast of Nurgle

[slow spade]

Bugged

As of patch 13

Idk for Patch 14

[sharp ember]

it's not good, it's a meme blessing that tries to address a problem that doesn't really exist: stunlocking hordes with a sword (not difficult to do, and shoving exists)

[unreal drum]

After using the mk4 cat sword I don't think I can use another melee weapon on the vet.

[gusty bison]

Psword is still the best offensive melee weapon

[slow spade]

Whack

[unreal drum]

ripost is very clutchy.

[gusty bison]

And Shovel has the best defenses

So plenty of options to choose from :D

[livid zealot]

Isn't it possible to get power cycler to add 2 extra powered hits?

[slow spade]

Just don't pick Chainaxe

[gusty bison]

Cat sword is basically has good defenses and good offense

A nice balanced choice

[slow spade]

Yes

[split sapphire]

A MK. 6? When was that brought in?

[gusty bison]

The main thing about psword now is it is no longer braindead

[slow spade]

Months ago

[gusty bison]

And actually requires a solid melee skillset to make the most out of

[slow spade]

Like way before Patch 13

[split sapphire]

Oh

[slow spade]

MK6 is a damage focused, defensive power sword

Its nowhere near as aggressive as MK3

[gusty bison]

Uh

Uhhh

[acoustic wyvern]

hold up

[gusty bison]

Looks at its elite murdering pattern

Sir

[split sapphire]

So mk 3 is more aggressive

[acoustic wyvern]

mk6 is more aggresive

[slow spade]

"Damage focused"

[gusty bison]

Mk 3 is the one that relies on stagger

[slow spade]

"Slows when charging"

[split sapphire]

Ah

[forest maple]

Damn i got lucky today

[gusty bison]

Mk 6 I would say has a higher skill entry barrier

[slow spade]

MK6 gets a lot of focus because it got buffed and MK3 didn't

[gusty bison]

Mk 3 you can kinda switch your brain off and do ok

Mk 6 you cannot

[slow spade]

But MK3 is still very good

[split sapphire]

I like my Mk. 3 currently

[gusty bison]

Mk 6 requires an actual knowledge of melee combos and strategic use of foot work. I.e. no dodge spamming

[slow spade]

The main difference is MK6 can block when charging but slows you

[brazen bay]

Hello friends, I've been gone for 9 months on deployment. Any big changes to the game? We still alive here?

[gusty bison]

Mk 6 also has a much higher single target output

[slow spade]

While MK3 doesn't slow but you cannot block when charging

[south prairie]

FINALLY

[livid zealot]

can it goddamn appear in my game sometime then?

I swear to god, the +2 powercycler and the deflector perk for the forceswords just don't exist in my game

[split sapphire]

Interesting

[south prairie]

IVE GOTTNE THE BASTARD MESC PENANCE

[gusty bison]

Mk 3 is just heavy spam and hope the stagger is enough

[slow spade]

???

No you have to mix in lights

[willow badger]

how do the mg 4 vs mg 1a vs mg xii stack up

[slow spade]

Or you get assblasted

[willow badger]

for killing specials/shooters

i got a really nicely rolled mg iv vs a kinda meh mg xiii

[slow spade]

MK12 can 1 shot on headshots but the rest have higher dps

[gusty bison]

Depends, how strong is your finger

[slow spade]

Idk the details beyond that

[willow badger]

i got autofire mod

[gusty bison]

Mg 1a can 1 tap on headshots as well (distance and target dependent)

Mg 1a is the most balanced of the 3 I would say. Good for a combination of tap fire and burst/full auto

[slow spade]

Keep in mind,none of them will oneshot ogryns :p

[gusty bison]

Mg 12 is very much like a vraks 7. You are going for heads.

And mg 12 recoils pretty hard

[willow badger]

should i run this one

or this

[gusty bison]

Stopping power is a bit low

[slow spade]

Stopping power is bad

Wouldn't use it

[gusty bison]

This one

[slow spade]

The MG la is good

Worth investing

[willow badger]

or this i guess

[slow spade]

Assuming Hadron doesn't fuck it

[gusty bison]

This one is solid too

Its a bit more full autoy

[slow spade]

A shame about the headhunter but still good

[willow badger]

my xii i got from emperors gift is a bit shit

[gusty bison]

And MG4 does kick a lot

[kind scarab]

Hadron gonna spit in your guns barrel, making the bullets fly sideways

[gusty bison]

But the dps from it is fine enough on body shots you can get away with it

[willow badger]

what are the bis for mg iv and mgi

[split sapphire]

My MG 12 has infernus and deadly accurate on it

[slow spade]

Infernus is pretty shit

Headhunter is far better on MK12

[split sapphire]

Eh

[slow spade]

As Deadly Accurate only activates on crits

And same with Infernus

[split sapphire]

I know

[kind scarab]

Watch Hadron brick this

[gusty bison]

Mg1a wants deadly accurate and headhunter

[slow spade]

"Did someone say stamina?l

[kind scarab]

Ya know

[gusty bison]

Mg4... it depends on how well you can work with the recoil

[kind scarab]

Hadron just fucking with me

[slow spade]

Oh that's pretty decent

[kind scarab]

EXACTLY

[split sapphire]

What is that?

[kind scarab]

Cause I was never going to use it

[slow spade]

Lol

[kind scarab]

Hadron truly fucking with me

[gusty bison]

Now you have to

[kind scarab]

Dammit Hadron

[gusty bison]

Alternatively slurp T4 Scattershot

[split sapphire]

Hmm, I don't even use shotty's tho, not enough ammo for me compared to using the bolter, least for me anyway

[gusty bison]

The agripinna has more ammo than the bolter

as a note

Not by much

but it does

[slow spade]

Recon has more ammo UwU

[gusty bison]

A high end agri breaks 100 iirc

[split sapphire]

Well I mean, fine but I still prefer the bolter tho

[slow spade]

Rolled this Recon -> Patch 14

Now I cry

[split sapphire]

Bravo

[slow spade]

Thanks UwU

[willow badger]

what do

[gusty bison]

Go queue for a game

[kind scarab]

Rolled this one at the same time

[gusty bison]

thats what you do

[kind scarab]

[slow spade]

Replace Wrath with Brutal Momentum or Slaughterer imo

[slow spade]

Lol nice

[split sapphire]

And they said infernus was shit, hmph

[slow spade]

It is

[kind scarab]

Infernus is pretty good

[slow spade]

But recon is so slow, it gets value

[kind scarab]

You can bring anything down to 1 third of it's health and it'll just die to the burn

[gusty bison]

Its good vs bosses.

Thats about it.

[split sapphire]

K

[slow spade]

If you want fire, use Ogryn gunlugger build

[kind scarab]

Infernus is shit on anything that ain't the recon, or the laspistol

[fleet drift]

Have just get a 4 veteran party

[slow spade]

Obligatory Zealot too

[fleet drift]

4 shout is op lol

[split sapphire]

I'm more of a protective melee ogryn

[slow spade]

Assuming they use it lol

[gusty bison]

Even with "only" 1.6k DPS it still beams enemies fast enough for the DoT to not matter

[kind scarab]

Only if you keep shooting them

It builds stacks at such a stupid rate that shooting anything past 2/3 of it's health is just wasted ammo

Like, I ain't the best shot, nor amazing at my timing

But you can just see the silly amount of burn they get

[fleet drift]

My cleanest damnation run so far

[junior needle]

To note, headhunter massively inflates your crit rate and the burn application rate/uptime is much lower without constant headshot uptime.

Also dots benefit from and apply onslaught, so if you aren't using it you're losing out on a lot of burn damage/utility on hard targets

[slow spade]

I miss expose weakness

[kind scarab]

Same

[kind scarab]

While I'd generally say it's time to toss it into the dumpster

If you have Handcannon and Surgical to toss on there, it'll still be useful

Solely cause the base stats are bomb

You won't be oneshotting Cara without heavy investment though

[candid bridge]

I’d just switch out barrage for hand cannon and slap carapace on instead of ranged weakspot

[umbral scaffold]

Wtf?! That mod has a scope now?

[humble vault]

Yes

[kind scarab]

Ngl, Recon worked fine for me

I didn't even need my ammo pickup, but took it anyway cause it was there

Would have gotten more special and disabler kills

[slow spade]

Spoken like a true Vet

[kind scarab]

But I was fighting a damn Revolver Vet and a plasma gun vet for the kills

[willow bridge]

Oh baby I just got Power Cycler IV
Only took 2 million in funds and over 30k plasteel

[umbral scaffold]

The scope jank or does it fuck?

[clear tendon]

hey, quick question, how good is the limbsplitter perk?

blessing*

it doesnt seem that useful but maybe im missing something

[empty creek]

depends on playstyle but if ur character is min height & U enter every fight crouching aiming 4 legs, ur golden

[iron marten]

just had the most chill of hi5stg ever

[empty creek]

[clear tendon]

so true bestie

[iron marten]

maybe it's psyker making it too easy

[clear tendon]

i wish the shovel had some crit blessings :(

[iron marten]

maybe kaathe can help with that, undead

[finite imp]

did big E bless me

[clear tendon]

I get the appeal of Kaathe, but frampt being the only thing you can sell to in ds1 means i almost always side with him

[iron marten]

maybe if Frampt didn't sell Smough's soul for like 1

[clear tendon]

lots of good cleave for crowd control, i like it a lot

[finite imp]

yeah that's what its for my gun is usually specials

[clear tendon]

granted, i am not some high tier auric player, i maybe venture into Heresy if i'm feeling spicy

god i hate that bug

[finite imp]

im slightly auric

[clear tendon]

i'm pretty good at buildcrafting, just actual execution is where im weak

[fleet drift]

Be me shit at build craft also shit at actual execution

[vivid ridge]

should I swap crit chance or dmg for flak

[dusty ferry]

Unironically shortest height = height of the horde enemies

[dusty ferry]

Would change strike chance with flak, though I would be for the suggestion of the 2nd for unyielding or carapace

[serene herald]

When the new guy hits you with a smoke nade

[vivid ridge]

hmm not a bad idea since its pretty much a 1 burst most of the time

[dusty ferry]

Yeah, also critical damage is like.. IDK, not something to bother with

[vivid ridge]

so should i replace that one instead?

[stark moth]

When psyker takes your ammo then uses sword

[dusty ferry]

Personally, replace both. Put damage to flak and unyielding

[vivid ridge]

I had to replace one of the perks lol

blessings*

[dusty ferry]

Ohh

Then in that case change ranged crit chance

At that point, crit damage would be better to keep

[vivid ridge]

kk

thx

[dusty ferry]

[dapper vessel]

I once again ask every Vet to use the Mark 6

[dusty ferry]

Oh damn

I mean I do use MK6 but how did you do that

Agile engagement I could assume? but what other talents

[dapper vessel]

agile engangement with power cycler and brutal momentum mark 6

[dusty ferry]

Ahhh

I shall try to do this

[languid escarp]

I dont think I can play Vet outside of stub revolver / knife build anymore

At least for this patch with mid tree skill

[dapper vessel]

knife isnt really what I would use on Vet specifically

[dusty ferry]

Bleed or weakspot bleed and rending

[languid escarp]

I dont have power cycler IV yet so

[dapper vessel]

I prefer having Onslaught

most things die before you even apply full stacks of bleed

it seems nice on bosses, but every stack of brittleness is 2.5% rending

[dusty ferry]

I find bleed a good option because it makes it easier to make them kill

Like because bleed damage helping

Also because bleed bleed bleed

[dapper vessel]

brittleness at full stacks (16) is 40% rending teamwide benefit

[dusty ferry]

Brittleness is neat yea

I run that in combination to the bleed blessings

and the continuous hits causing brittleness think

[languid escarp]

I dont think thats true

[dapper vessel]

hmmm

just pushing enemies also counts as a hit

and it applies brittleness

[dusty ferry]

hIT ME

[fleet drift]

Why is power cycler 4 so hard to come by

[dusty ferry]

Just cope

[fleet drift]

[dusty ferry]

the cope helps

[candid bridge]

Need to praise the emperor more that’s why

[dusty ferry]

I was lucky enough to get in a few rolls

[dapper vessel]

its THE most infamous blessing to roll

[languid escarp]

Do the Salvo blessings even work on the revolver?

[dapper vessel]

I got PC4 off of Melk, and thats after religiously checking everyday on his shop

[languid escarp]

I tested it in the Psy and it doesnt seem like it does

[clear tendon]

a true reject

[short wigeon]

why would i want to use a crutch when tac axe is fun?

[raw birch]

how do u get that scope?

[dusty ferry]

Warhammer religion the best

[clear tendon]

see, i would use something other than the shovel, but watching a plague ogryn's corpse ragdoll because i slapped the shit out of him with a heavy shovel attack for the final blow will never not be funny so

power sword is fun on psyker though

[empty creek]

they’re all like short-medium, i played a max height vet b4 i made a min-height & i was always caught off guard whenever i saw the sole tall poxwalker in a mission

[empty creek]

SRRY i rwally like having fun

[dusty ferry]

I made short height because uhh.. canonically I am short

[candid bridge]

55 height is best height. Puts you right at the heads of all enemies

[dusty ferry]

[clear tendon]

i cant see the word short anymore without hearing thorgrim

[empty creek]

im a 6’5” hispangloid mestizo ogre IRL but in-game, smaller characters fit behind cover better so i just remade my vet as a min-height lady

[dusty ferry]

Fair enough

I think for psyker I would make her tall

[languid escarp]

Wait does height affect your hitbox?

[dusty ferry]

For the fun of it

[dapper vessel]

and your camera positioning

[empty creek]

yes

[dusty ferry]

^

[candid bridge]

Hitbox and camera

[languid escarp]

That seems super important

[dapper vessel]

I use to play with a below average height vet

[clear tendon]

make the biggest ogryn you can just to play on hard mode

[dapper vessel]

and its really painful to hit weakspots being short

[languid escarp]

I chose mine thinking its cosmetic

[empty creek]

the ogryn height differences R minimal

[empty creek]

honestly taller means better in melee, shorter means better 4 range

don’t overthink it

[clear tendon]

itd be funny if taller characters had more reach with their melee

[empty creek]

i sincerely hope that’s the case

[clear tendon]

i mean, it would make sense

but it'd be really funny

[marsh condor]

Just a joke idea I had in mind.

"Gun only".

[empty creek]

1 thing i haven’t checked but im curious AB is whether or not the weapon models scale w/ the character height or if fatshark took the time 2 make the weapon sizes separate

[dusty ferry]

Crit lasgun build

[marsh condor]

No switching to your melee weapon under any circumstances.

[empty creek]

knives only & U cant make a build surrounding knives

hands too small 4 shovel

[marsh condor]

Trench fighter, serrated blade.

[finite imp]

a trench knife would be cool

[clear tendon]

trench fighter build with the shovel is so much fun

[marsh condor]

Might be a variant for our current knife.

[empty creek]

ogryns desperately need brass knuckles, i wish 1 of their knives had the alt punch use the handle or smtjng

[candid bridge]

I want empowered brass knuckles

[clear tendon]

brass knuckles or a 2h weapon

[languid escarp]

Like the crusher?

[marsh condor]

I wanted a halberd/glaive for Veteran.

[empty creek]

bro…

[clear tendon]

The ideal relationship dynamic

[empty creek]

give my boys the BIG shovel

[finite imp]

big man can dig a trench in 10 mins

[languid escarp]

Alt fire charge at enemies would be really fun but I would probably be griefing a lot with it

[dusty ferry]

The best relationship

smol bro and big bro

[finite imp]

full metal alchemist

[clear tendon]

also GOD i want a boltpistol so bad

[finite imp]

lol

[clear tendon]

let me a comissar

[marsh condor]

Lemme just

[empty creek]

the psyker/ogryn interactions make me smile

[finite imp]

dual wield bolt pistols

[empty creek]

the big dude little dude dynamic is never not fun

[marsh condor]

#theorycrafting message

[clear tendon]

the female Psyker that talks about their beloved is so sweet to the ogryns

[languid escarp]

Whats the difference between that and a stub revolver

[clear tendon]

its why i play her

[candid bridge]

Where’s my 1911 tho

[finite imp]

magazine

[empty creek]

female crazy psyker telling the bully ogryn that she’s blushing after he complimented her

[marsh condor]

A Stub Revolver pierces.

[empty creek]

dawg

[marsh condor]

A Bolt Pistol explodes inside them.

[clear tendon]

yeah, basically trading pierce for ammo capacity

[marsh condor]

And gib.

[empty creek]

bolt pistol is like a 5.7 IRL it has a damage buff against poor people