veteran-class

[gusty bison]

2 DR and 1 Stamina regen

[limpid hull]

dmg resistance is great - better in your talent tree imo

[gusty bison]

Ur tou regen is off of talents, not passive

[chilly jewel]

ohh interesting stam regen over tough regen

[limpid hull]

iron will, and close order drill will do a lot for you if you play by their rules

[slate sedge]

Rev speed can also be great

[gusty bison]

I personally run 1 Resistance, Ally rez and Stamina regen

[slate sedge]

Tough regen isnt that great since if im not wrong it only affects you when your toughness breaks

[gusty bison]

It also only affects coherency regen

[slate sedge]

By then you prob have a lot more concerns. Like getting tf out of there

[limpid hull]

^

coherency regen

[gusty bison]

On a class which... has incredible other options

Like confirmed kill

[limpid hull]

its not hard to become a tank mf

[chilly jewel]

Ill give it a try and see how it feels

[limpid hull]

but do not rely on only toughness amount. you will die

toughness is useless without dmg resist

[slate sedge]

Just uh. Dont get hit. Ez

[limpid hull]

well its good for gunfire

[south garnet]

Just duck and or step away

Close your eyes

[noble onyx]

I've never felt like I needed a specific damage resist except maybe against bullshit sniper shots. The ones that come without a warning.

[gusty bison]

Gunner resist is nice

[tropic copper]

I just got on overwatch. I don't feel accomplished. I feel nothing.

[limpid hull]

just shoot the gunners, before they shoot? ez

[chilly jewel]

i usually pick between gunner, flamer, and sniper for my DR

[gusty bison]

Ha. Ha.

[slate sedge]

Yea snipers are even weirder than b4. I just had a game where it spawned out of thin air behind me and silently shot without any warning or laser

[limpid hull]

if you dont shoot first, your last

[south garnet]

You will get shredded with or without it trying to run towards an active shooter, and you can duck and slide laterally with or without resist too

[gusty bison]

Fking speedrunners

[spark hamlet]

what's a flash mission?

[slate sedge]

Sometimes they act like theyre lobotomized. Saw one sperging out against a wall

[gusty bison]

Flamer DR is useless

It only protects vs their kicks

[limpid hull]

flamer shits on toughness. so just prio getting out

[chilly jewel]

oh it dosen't do anything for the flames

[gusty bison]

No

[chilly jewel]

well that makes no sense

[gusty bison]

Same for bombers

[limpid hull]

someone has to counter high toughness

its fire.

[south garnet]

Mutant is the only good Dr. Sounds like a joke but it's not

[gusty bison]

Flames are environmental damage

[slate sedge]

Gunners most dangerous quality is locking down your movement. So dr for them isnt that great imo. Also in no scenario should you rush gunner while theyre actively firing at you

[chilly jewel]

🤦‍♀️

[noble onyx]

I feel like Gunners are never a big threat to me, if anything I'm more afraid of a pack of shooters than a pack of gunners especially since they are elites

[limpid hull]

run n gun build would

immortal to range fire while sprinting, i see no issue

[slate sedge]

Oh true. I dont run it tho

[limpid hull]

I dont blame you, stamina do be in short supply

[gusty bison]

Duck n dive go brrr

[south garnet]

Does run n gun make you immune to the suppression/slowdown effect? Curious

[gusty bison]

Why shoot ur source of free stamina

[limpid hull]

i fear the duck and dive that goes brr

why is it shooting

why does it vibrate

it is mov no?

[slate sedge]

Idk what to use RnG on. I think braced autoguns have it? But they also have damage blessings that i want (and maybe dum dum? I cant recall)

[limpid hull]

not sure about slowdonw, grawr would know

I havent gotten that build yet, I was only testing Skirmisher

[slate sedge]

Also typically there are no issues just peeking and blasting their head off since you dont really ads with braced autogun

[gusty bison]

Nah it counts as a clean dodge if they are missing due to Stripped Down

[south garnet]

Interesting

[limpid hull]

so they count as missing, because of stripped down?

nice

[gusty bison]

And it counts as a dodge

So duck n dive triggers

[limpid hull]

damn if only skirmisher wasnt so stringent with its buff

[south garnet]

Infinite stamina

[gusty bison]

So u get 30% stamina per atttack they shoot at u while ur sprinting

[limpid hull]

it just makes it hurt moooorrre

[gusty bison]

So u can charge 30 shooter walls

Across an open field

[south garnet]

Vet joining the roller derby while his friends hunker down behind some barrels

[limpid hull]

right, so if you bring smokes, the GM will spawn more shooter = infinite dodge= infinite stamina = profit ??

[slate sedge]

(Me quietly stealthing instead)

[gusty bison]

I guess xD

But yea Stripped Down braced auto as a result is very legit cos any long ranged enemies u cant shoot u just run at them instead

[limpid hull]

i was trying to build a ghost heavy las pistol build with a run and gun style, but issues.

which auto gun are you using?

[gusty bison]

For Stripped down? Agri braced auto

but the columnus braced auto is popular too

and the infantry autos are also an option

[frank ether]

stripped down singlehandedly QoL's brrautos into effective range lmao

[quick burrow]

dammit i want shock trooper rending strikes and onslaught why u so cruel game

just give me all the good stuff without any drawbacks why is that so hard for you

[slate sedge]

Darktide progression is just one big casino

[rigid pilot]

Patch 13 stripped down was crazy, it had extra 10% sprint speed

[limpid hull]

yeah they said they wanted to leave move speed in the talent tree

so expect that somewhere

maybe they will buff the move speed aura

damn you skirmisher, why dont you trigger off of successful dodges

[brisk sapphire]

sad but true

i had nearly every red in vt2 with the amount of playtime i have in DT

its gross

[undone mica]

I am sad. I got 5 games today where people telling me Agripinaa Braced Autogun is griefing. 😦

[brisk sapphire]

??

its pretty good

[rigid pilot]

It's pretty good yea

How are there 5 games of brauto haters

[south spindle]

Lmao

[limpid hull]

probably because the history of autos

[rigid pilot]

Unless they are all sniper gauntlets

[brisk sapphire]

i use brauto fairly frequently on vet and havent encountered any haters yet

[limpid hull]

same

[rigid pilot]

Then perhaps the trolling has some basis

[south spindle]

How times have changed Agri' Brauto used to be the autogun

[limpid hull]

on the hater part*

[rigid pilot]

Brautos were always meta

[frank ether]

??? lmao

[rigid pilot]

Pre13

Esp with old counterfire nonsense

[limpid hull]

the VIII is stil the shit tho

[frank ether]

patch13-14 did fuck all for braced autos

[undone mica]

Dunno, i'm on a losing streak too so I'm letting folks get to me.

[frank ether]

they are about the same place they were before

[south spindle]

Its funny because its not changed in power level, like at all, but because the Columnus IAG is now super cracked, anything which was good before is now "bad" to some folks, even without changing in any meaningful way

People are weird man

[frank ether]

braced were viable and they still are

they're kinda meh but definitely not unusable

[limpid hull]

i think this is mostly the case, except for the Scout Las Rifles. they got hit

[rigid pilot]

Recon lol

[limpid hull]

too hard

recon ty

[rigid pilot]

There were the best part of 13

[south spindle]

Yeah.. Recons have always kinda struggled till last patch

[rigid pilot]

Now the worst part of 14

[limpid hull]

the stealth nerf on the crit chain was too much

[south spindle]

It was sad to see them go from zero to hero and then back again

[rigid pilot]

It's gonna come to all weapons eventually

o7

[south spindle]

Ehhhh

[limpid hull]

well considering VT2 balancing. Im happy they are doing this good

[south spindle]

With any luck things dont get fucked over too hard in coming patches

[brisk sapphire]

my columnus and graia infantry autoguns have better rolls so i use them more than my brautos on vet

more thrilling to use too

[south spindle]

Make everything good, then dial everything back by 20% and we have a balanced game (Yes, the current game is too easy)

[brisk sapphire]

columnus got that kick

[undone mica]

Are you guys able to use Helbore on all maps?

[limpid hull]

Its rough because a lot of guns lack identity, or build synergy to get strong identities imo

[frank ether]

I dont even understand that question

is there something preventing you from using helbore

[limpid hull]

do you mean, find success using the helbore?

[south spindle]

Sort of a side effect of having so many different versions of the same gun

[frank ether]

like a bug or something or are you talking about performance

[brisk sapphire]

helbore is the true bolt staff of this game
voidstrike too ez and firebally

[south spindle]

Whilst the variety is cool, it has the side effect of making it very difficult to balance things in a fun and effective manner

[undone mica]

I'm not a good sniper, when I tried it. I had difficulty due to the environment of the game had me more or less struggling.

[limpid hull]

yeah, but it looks like they are getting somewhere. atleast after the plasma change it does

[frank ether]

here is my 5 step helbore guide:

1. have onslaught-surgical
2. dont use exhilarating takedown, its bugged.
3. dont use exhilarating
4. just don't use it.
5. bayonet op

[south spindle]

Oh yeah for sure, but thats in no small part due to playtesters from the community

[frank ether]

hidden 6th step: dont use exhilarating

[fallen geyser]

There a mod that puts names on buffs?

[limpid hull]

I think we will need to have guns with strong individual identities and then guns with strong build flexibility or synergy as a alternative

[rigid pilot]

How is exhi bugged?

[frank ether]

it increases toughness damage taken instead of reducing it

[fallen geyser]

Most of the time I've no idea wtf the symbols at the bottom are

[rigid pilot]

Wait what the fuck

You serious?

[limpid hull]

die faster lol

[frank ether]

ye

I am not trolling

[rigid pilot]

[south spindle]

After the toughness bug during the release window, i struggle to notice the difference with this bug 😅

Its no where near as egregious

[frank ether]

just take deadshot, slap a +3 stam curio.

[south spindle]

Been running Exil' since P13 an never noticed anything till someone pointed it out

[frank ether]

you can have your toughness regen and dr from middle tree anyways

[limpid hull]

slap 3x +3 = 9 stamina baby

[south spindle]

Starting to come around to stam curios for sure

Much more utility on the whole

On all classes

[cedar sandal]

Love them +1 wound curios

[limpid hull]

after trying everything else. stam for life

[frank ether]

I wouldnt go too heavy on stam

you're already paper as sharpshooter vet

[south spindle]

One is fine, but wound stacking is a new player trap

[frank ether]

but deadshot demands it

[frank ledge]

I will run 9 stam and no one can stop me

[limpid hull]

block is great too

[limpid hull]

same

[frank ether]

I won't pick you up either

[limpid hull]

toughness and hp is a trap

[cedar sandal]

Executioner's stance and a mk12 kantrael is where the real killing goes on

[frank ledge]

You wouldn't know unless you abused the game by using numeric ui

[limpid hull]

hp for what? curses? burn? ok

[frank ledge]

[south spindle]

Im not sure i agree with that. Game can fuck you over pretty easily and HP/Toughness can help with that, Wounds are just deadweight

[limpid hull]

toughness dmg resist > toughness %

[south spindle]

They're literally useless if you're the last one alive an have to clutch

[cedar sandal]

I'm not good at the game I don't have to worry about that

[frank ledge]

yet steam thinks wounds are mandatory

[cedar sandal]

I'm usually first to die

[frank ledge]

[limpid hull]

I find that on vet, You get one shot no matter how much toughnes or hp you have - in melee - if you have no dmg resist

toughness is good for ranged chip though

[cedar sandal]

My capacity for bullet wounds outweighs my fervor for melee kills

[limpid hull]

but melee chip? nah

[frank ether]

thats because you're running +9 stam curios

[cedar sandal]

Unfortunately I am not invincible

[rigid pilot]

I mean bruiser got a melee buff but

[south spindle]

Really? Thats uhh bit of an extreme view. the class aint that squishy

[cedar sandal]

I play almost exclusively on heresy and damnation
Vet is that squishy

[limpid hull]

obviously I ran the appropriate +20 toughness and hp equivalents when i tested.

[rigid pilot]

Heresy

[limpid hull]

Vet is that squishy

[south spindle]

I play exclusively Auric Maelstrom.. and no, its not that squishy lol

[cedar sandal]

Wow, nice one upping

[south spindle]

Psyker is pretty squishy, but gets around it because so many cracked toughness regen feats

[frank ether]

ogryn player with 600 HP be like ''vets not squishy''

[limpid hull]

look. all ill say is, I went to block a crusher, with a full toughness/hp build, and got one shot. I had not dmg resist on test

[south spindle]

Hey you tried to flex first mate. Dont push it if you cant recieve it

[cedar sandal]

I'm not flexing

[south spindle]

Multi-class actually

[limpid hull]

pure toughness is meh

[south spindle]

Play all of em

[cedar sandal]

I play on hard difficulties
I get my shit kicked in

Vet is squishy

I only play vet

[frank ledge]

We can hit 580 max

[south spindle]

Yeah not sure going full toughness is ideal on Vet unless you wanna stay out of melee the entire time

[frank ledge]

About*

[south spindle]

Which is uhh.. kinda wet

[cedar sandal]

I love melee combat so much

I like how chunky everything is

[frank ether]

dont see what stops you from engaging in melee with high toughness

[cedar sandal]

Lasguns?
Chunky
Grenades?
Chunky
Cutting a guy in half with your chainsword?

Chunky.

[limpid hull]

you would like that wouldnt you shrimp fried rice. I bet you like extra ingredients in your rice to "chunk" it up too y

[frank ledge]

"Staying out of melee the entire time"

Are you shooting at hordes?

Please even if u run 3 toughness, don't

[limpid hull]

lol im just jk

[cedar sandal]

SHRIMP FOR THE STIR FRY

[south spindle]

Nothing stops you, but you dont get the buffer of a big stam bar by doing that, which is a huge survivability increase on its own

[frank ether]

two out of three vet blitz tops your toughness on demand while also giving you a moment to breathe

[cedar sandal]

SOY FOR THE RICE WOK
SHRIMP FOR THE STIR FRY
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[south spindle]

Sir, that is dangerously close to heresy

[limpid hull]

honestly i wish there were toughness dmg resist curios

[frank ether]

yee game isnt easy enough

[limpid hull]

THOSE would be amazing

lol ikr

need mah dmg, need mah resist

[cedar sandal]

All I play is heresy, you think I dont know what heresy is?

[undone mica]

I feel, if i don't have Voice of Command, I'm pretty squishy as a vet.

Or at last the 2 perks Iron will + Confirmed Kill

When I play without them, I die from regular walkers.

[eternal sable]

when do the cosmetics reset?!

[frank ledge]

Vet has good stam regen, don't get hit

[south spindle]

Whilst you jest, it actually is far too easy at the moment :/ there are a lot of weapons now that can turn missions into a cakewalk

[frank ledge]

Besides vet isn't psyker

[cedar sandal]

Chainsword

[south spindle]

Bring backka da struggle

[limpid hull]

correct. without iron will or close order drill, you wil die from infected in 2 hits

[frank ether]

thats the joke

[cedar sandal]

chainsword go VRRRROOOOM

[frank ledge]

If you increase difficulty even more pubers will ragequit

So we are stuck here

[south spindle]

I know, thats why i said "whilst you jest"

[frank ledge]

[frank ether]

I think vets the least problematic on that regard though

[frank ledge]

Assail

[limpid hull]

assail is a spit in the face fr

[frank ether]

when people quit lobbies over vets its because they are afraid of losing lmao

[cedar sandal]

I have adopted the mindset of "I can't abandon my brothers in combat, that's heresy"
And now I never leave a match unless it's a emergency

Like eating dinner

[south spindle]

Nah, its like 10%, if that of the player base who's actually playing A.Maelstrom, upping the difficulty there would barely effect the playerbase at large

[sharp ember]

GRENADE PRIMED AND THROWING
💨🌫️🌫️🌫️ don't worry guys you're safe from the shooters now

[frank ledge]

I never understood people leaving on party ready when there's 2 vets or 2 ogryns

[frank ether]

But I dont think vet is in a bad spot honestly

[fervent quiver]

2 ogryns?

[limpid hull]

the whole psyker right tree is just the auto Ai variant of executioner stance

[fervent quiver]

why

[frank ether]

sharpshooter is too squishy probably due to exhilarating bug

[cedar sandal]

4 ogryns lmao

[frank ether]

its the other classes that need to be normalized

[limpid hull]

this is great

[cedar sandal]

Exhilarating bug?

[frank ledge]

idk I see a lot of people in there because of friends

[south spindle]

the only lobby i'll outright leave in the current game is one with a Surge Psyker abusing EP in it

[frank ether]

cough cough psyker

[bold sierra]

guys, what does low profile actually do xD, I assumed it basically stops the enemies from targetting you after leaving stealth? But doesnt seem to work in the psykanium (using creature spawner mod)

[eternal sable]

when do shop cosmetics reset pls 😭

[limpid hull]

no, vet is not in a bad spot. no one is. Vet is just in last place instead.

[frank ledge]

I just votekick them on match start

[south spindle]

When did it last reset? Its on a two week rotation iirc

[limpid hull]

they just did yesterday so in 2 weeks

[eternal sable]

thanks guys :3

[south spindle]

Yeah also an option, but not guaranteed

[frank ether]

its ironic that it still labeled the easy mode class lmao

[eternal sable]

anyone who says vet is bad or squishy is big noob

[frank ledge]

I run with 2 friends often

[limpid hull]

i dont know how? Psyker took that title hard. and ogryn is doing a great job too

[fervent quiver]

After playing other classes, damn vet actually has some toughness

[eternal sable]

if u cant do malestrom, no downs for 5+ missions in a row then just get good

[sharp ember]

it reduces your target priority, so if you're the only target.. you're still under attack

[frank ledge]

I remember when psyker was the skill expression class

Then the assail nation attacked

[south spindle]

Its a bit odd. I would call Vet pretty well balanced on the whole. Just the skill tree ordering is kinda fuckin goofy

[frank ledge]

So now I'm back to vet

[bold sierra]

OH RIGHT, you're the only one in psykanium, i'm stupid

[frank ledge]

and ogryn

[bold sierra]

u mean last week? I dont think the shop updated this week xD

[placid portal]

Low priority also does have goofy interaction when you just pop out in the thick of it

[south spindle]

Vet an Zealot won the "fun" class catagories this patch imo

[placid portal]

[frank ether]

Its just the perception from old that sticks with people

[limpid hull]

no it just did. I watch for new outfits regularly. it was this week it reset

[eternal sable]

ogryn won the patch wtf

kickback is most broken thing since old pc

[cedar sandal]

How is vet the easy mode class
No special abilities
No magic
No tanking

Literally just an unremarkable guy with a gun and preferred melee weapon

[sharp ember]

rock

[eternal sable]

nothing compares to current kickback

[south spindle]

Yeah maybe up to a point. Unwavering was broken as fuck tho, glad to see that go

[placid portal]

Ogryn now have Canister shell cannons

[limpid hull]

I just bought cosmetics as well. so i put money on it lol

[frank ether]

I dared to say my vet feels squishy and general chat had a meltdown over it skill issue bla bla

2 days later turns out exhilarating is bugged

[bold sierra]

the infantry krastov and stuff? it came out last week tho

[fervent quiver]

Ordering people around is my magic

[placid portal]

ye apparently so

[cedar sandal]

People don't listen to me

[eternal sable]

i cant wait for kickback to get nerfed

[placid portal]

It was a thing since the changes to the Exhilerating no?

[frank ledge]

There's far more broken stuff than kickback having a 0-50 effective range

[sharp ember]

kickbackgryns when they don't have an ammo regen vet

[fervent quiver]

Just threaten them with no insta revive

[cedar sandal]

Guess I need to get rid of exhilarating takedown

[fervent quiver]

ong

[south spindle]

Oggy is very good, but Kickback is a unique issue. Thats not to say there arent other issues with the class, but Ogg an Psyker feel too powerful for me to really enjoy playing at the moment

[eternal sable]

delusional if you think any weapon is better than kickback atm

[limpid hull]

stranged, that didnt drop until like 2 days ago for me

[frank ether]

The fact that they buffed assail is the highlight of the whole class update thing for me

[placid portal]

Smite is fun

No kills but makes em easier to gun down for team

[bold sierra]

I bought the psyker one last week, so I'd know, maybe you didn't check then xD?

[placid portal]

[frank ledge]

Kickback is the only non buggy ogryn ranged weapon outside of gg.

Rippers have, still, the single shot bug

[south spindle]

If only it wasnt so aimbotty

[eternal sable]

a kickback can do more than a revolver weilding vet with executioners stance

[fervent quiver]

question, which "knife" do I use for stealth boi

[eternal sable]

total broken

[placid portal]

the big one

[limpid hull]

no i check regularly. id been waiting for a reset. thats whats weird

[placid portal]

The Claw ofc

[frank ledge]

Unless you are running gunlagger, no

[placid portal]

[sharp ember]

the tacticooliest one

[eternal sable]

ofcourse you run gun with kickback

everyone does

[placid portal]

Rashad axe is good

[bold sierra]

strange indeed xD

[placid portal]

I tried it it was nice

[frank ether]

I'd be fine with it if it took a modicum of effort, maybe tinfoil hat theory but it feels as if they wanted something that will play well on controller

[limpid hull]

i even have the discord messages to refer to, when I messaged my friend about it.

[frank ether]

they seem so adamant on keeping the whole auto target thing

and have assail basically top dps with zero effort

[frank ledge]

Then you are squishy for an ogryn and everything destroys with gunlugger, have you seen the so called ahit stubba, achlys on bosses?

[limpid hull]

so data trail is there.

[placid portal]

But steal all the special/elite kills

[frank ledge]

No cooldown?

[placid portal]

[south spindle]

Nah not that tin-foily tbh, it would make a lot of sense. An like ok, i get it up to a point, but man being able to throw it, pull a 180* an still hit stuff is just way too over the top

[eternal sable]

nothing remotly close to a kickback

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

[fervent quiver]

um... Imma roll a dice

[limpid hull]

this is about assail right?

[frank ledge]

hard disagree, kickback dps is lower than ripper/gorgonum in gunlagger

[eternal sable]

average kickback gamer

[limpid hull]

Just making sure im hating the right target

[bold sierra]

it's still pretty good but I noticed after the assail nerf, not the WORST nerf but I noticed that it's not as annoying to play with as be4...well, then again, since the patch I havent touched non-Aurics at all.

[quick burrow]

do kraks need tinker?

[frank ledge]

I hit 1k with gg

[eternal sable]

no you didnt lol

thats 1m

[south spindle]

I played a few games with Assail the other day when i was suffering with flu (wanted something braindead so i didnt have to put in too much effort) died 4 times in a mission an still out-damaged an Oggy with Kickback...

[limpid hull]

Nah, rumbler gunlugger for liife. everyone gets da bomb

[frank ledge]

I can stream it next time

jf you wish

[placid portal]

Rumbler is so fun

[south spindle]

Ye

[placid portal]

You can 1 shot Bulwarks and Reapers

[frank ether]

I have completely stopped playing below auric damnations now because psykers have completely ruined any semblance of fun

[placid portal]

*if you hit bulwark body

[placid portal]

Agreed I felt that really hard

[limpid hull]

not to kill one, but to kill multiple stacked, yes, its worth it usually with Kraks. but it works without. just make sure you have a back up if you dont invest in kraks heavily

[eternal sable]

there are some braindead ogryn players for sure but nothing beats kickback atm

[frank ether]

I was leveling a zealot and dropped it, its sitting lvl17 or something

I couldnt take it anymore

game after game after game of walking

[frank ledge]

GG

[eternal sable]

gg doesnt come close bud

in any way

[south spindle]

Its just as bad there tbh. Sure, most of them are only playing the class because its OP as fuck, but when you get someone who knows what they're doing they clean house an you might as well have played the mission with your thumb up your ass :/

[eternal sable]

kickback does more damage and stagger

gg is a meme

[rigid pilot]

There's one way to fix this

[eternal sable]

once kickback gets nerfed

[rigid pilot]

Dive even further

[eternal sable]

im sure gg will be back on the menu as meta

[placid portal]

Detonate Fire Barrels

[rigid pilot]

Or that

Wait for them to walk near one and kepow

[frank ledge]

CURRENTLY kickback can't 1 shot ragers till you get into the 12m frame, unless full bore which is unreliable at best.

[limpid hull]

yeah my buddy plays ogryn (does not use kick back) and he can make missions a cake walk when we dont have 2 people throwing the game

[frank ledge]

GG 1 shoting them at any range:

[novel nimbus]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a93fba4-726f-4067-ab2f-113f499a794d/lead-from-the-front-commissar

Been cosplaying as a commissar and having a lot of fun w/ this build.

INB4 I get BTFO'd for not taking an capstone/touching middle tree

[south spindle]

just because its not as strong as the obviously broken overpowered stuff doesnt make it a meme

[eternal sable]

you can 1 shot them big

[rigid pilot]

If your team can still support you it means you haven't dove enough

[frank ledge]

Read.

[south spindle]

Thats like saying Hellbore is a meme because it cant kill 15 gunners in a single shot compared to Plasma

[eternal sable]

if you have full bore on your kicback you 1 shot everything ragers included

[frank ether]

Yeah, I'm fully aware, but at least they have to try a little and occasionally dodge/block, fall back etc

[frank ledge]

Read.

[south spindle]

True

[eternal sable]

it doesnt matter bigj

[limpid hull]

dont you guys dare go at the hellbore. it just works. like todd 🥺

[eternal sable]

kickback currently outmatches every weapon in the game

[frank ledge]

Can't read argument, a classic

[south spindle]

Hey, i love the Hellbores, but just for examples sake

[placid portal]

A sigma ogryn grindset

Don't read

[limpid hull]

i just want all the guns to do equal dmg in their proper situations. is taht so hard to ask

[eternal sable]

i read and it makes no sense

[frank ether]

I agree which is why we should nerf helbore instead

[placid portal]

[frank ledge]

I swear this folk will manage to nerf all weapons into Paul.

[limpid hull]

and then give them unique identities with cool effects

[eternal sable]

no one can say any wep beats kickback atm

[limpid hull]

like these auto guns are amazing at supression

[frank ledge]

I just pointed out where kickback falls and gg excels.

[south spindle]

At the very least within each family weapons should have a similar output. Hellbores an Rippers are the only families where all of them really have a place at the moment

[eternal sable]

but it doesnt

[limpid hull]

gg? guilty gear?

[frank ledge]

Specially handy for the basher, since the funny basher bug

[eternal sable]

you can do the same thing with a kickback but better

[south spindle]

People say IAGs too, but ive not used Graia yet so cannot comment

Or rather, not new Graia

[eternal sable]

1 shotting rager with a kickback is no problem

[frank ether]

graia is like diet columnus

[frank ledge]

12m, reload.
GG, 4 shots, aoe cc.

[eternal sable]

because gg can do it doesnt make it better

[frank ledge]

Read what I said

[limpid hull]

i agree with minor gripe. I think the highest count of the ripper gun model is the most innacurate one, that forces you to burst fire even when braced. thats meh

[frank ledge]

Holy terra

[eternal sable]

lol

[rigid pilot]

Graia is tamed columnus

[frank ledge]

12m

[south spindle]

The problem with Kickback is that its min' pellet count an ADMs are fucking borked

[rigid pilot]

But always choose the wild stallion columnus

[frank ether]

the argument is that its easier to control but you're losing rof lmao

[eternal sable]

youre dumb big j

[south spindle]

The weapon itself has the correct amount of damage for what it is, its just some of the under-the-hood shit thats giga-fucked

[frank ether]

I wouldnt trade rof for better recoil but to each their own

[limpid hull]

damn is it?

[eternal sable]

the weapon in general

is broken

unmatched strong

[frank ether]

Its similar, columnus just has better dps

[limpid hull]

back to that again but with a new one

[south spindle]

Ahh ok, so yeah, its just an easier to control, lower output version, Thats kinda shitty

[eternal sable]

a revolver can 1 shot a reaper quicker

[frank ledge]

Fail to see how, you are loosing on sustain for a single shot weapon. So of course it HAS to hit hard.

[eternal sable]

that doesnt mean its better than a kickback

[limpid hull]

well hopefully they dial it back just a bit. and keep it stand out in its own right way

[eternal sable]

a gg can 1 shot a rager

doesnt mean a kickback cant or is worse

[frank ether]

I mean it may have better damage fall-off but in practice I dont notice it.

[eternal sable]

its still better in general

[frank ledge]

Kickback can't past the 12m reliably.

[eternal sable]

that doesnt make a gg better

[south spindle]

Kickback is literally only overpowered because it has a 16 min' pellet count an 80% damage vs Infested an Unarmoued ADM over range

fix those issue, the gun is fine

[frank ether]

agri iag feels unique though

[eternal sable]

something about the whole ogryn interation with kickback is broken

[frank ether]

it has a lot higher damage per shot so you can like, tap tap on gunners easy headshots

[south spindle]

Light'em up is broken with shotguns, but thats a seperate issue

[placid portal]

Agri IAGs do be a good middle ground weapon

[frank ledge]

Won't be fixed at this rate

[frank ether]

if they just cook agri iag a little bit more it would be pretty damn solid

[rigid pilot]

I used Agri and realized I don't have the discipline for it

[south spindle]

Ye Agri' IAG feels really good atm

[south spindle]

Ehh, i would bet it will be, its pretty gamebreaking

[frank ledge]

Like the enfeeble bug for smite
It's a feature at this point

[placid portal]

Agri IAG is a fun weapon

[south spindle]

How long it'll take tho, thats a whole other matter

[placid portal]

It's an automatic Kantrael

🤔

[frank ledge]

I love having trap nodes in my psyker tree

[south spindle]

If they never fix the EP bug on Smite, people will develop mods to keep Psykers out their games or some shit its so fuckin egregious

[frank ether]

speaking of kantrael this game has a mod reliance problem

and its getting more problematic each patch

[frank ledge]

Already is one

[south spindle]

Lmao, nah that one is a meme mod that just stops you matchmaking

Was literally made for a gag

[frank ether]

most people use fullauto mod to make infant las work without carpal tunnel

[frank ledge]

damnit can't trick people into getting it

[south spindle]

Yeah, guilty as charged

[frank ether]

at this point they should be changed to burst or full auto

[frank ether]

no guilt, its smart to value your health

[placid portal]

Burst is cringe, full auto or no fun fire mode

[south spindle]

Yeah.. but its a bit cheese

[frank ledge]

I can't wait fuller auto mod to make kantrael into recon

[south spindle]

Like its very abusable on Zealot because of all the attack speed buffs, turns the thing into a high-damage recon

[placid portal]

[frank ledge]

[frank ether]

yes but fatshark is to blame for not understanding the issue

high rof semi auto is a terrible idea

[frank ledge]

Martyrdom works on ranged

[frank ether]

especially in a horde shooter

[fervent quiver]

stealthy vet is fun

[south spindle]

I would imagine so, i use Momentum and the Attack Speed nodes

[placid portal]

wait what but the desc says explicitly melee no?

[south spindle]

Total of 30% increased RoF

[placid portal]

[fervent quiver]

Is the shredder autopistol still a thing?

[frank ledge]

Descs are a suggestion

As usual

[placid portal]

For vet hell no

[frank ether]

more of a zealot gun probably

[placid portal]

I cannot make it work when you have better guns

[south spindle]

Its not a good way of going about it for sure. Faster, fine, but if to cap DPS you have to hurt yourself, not so fine

[placid portal]

Legit had to magdump but got practically no kills and cannot contest a sniper

[frank ledge]

ye but vet is a filthy class that deserves been in the pooper zone for been op in the past!

-psykers probably

[frank ether]

I mean shredder viable and all but why bother over col iag

its just an upgrade

[placid portal]

Pretty mch

^

[fervent quiver]

Them with their assails in the corner

[placid portal]

YOU CAN AIM WITH IT

[fervent quiver]

OOOOOOOHHH

[frank ether]

and its hipfire is better than bracing shredder anyhow

[placid portal]

LMAO

[south spindle]

Shredder needs to be like an MP7. Under 10M it should have ridiculous ADMs, but outside that range it should fall off a cliff

[frank ledge]

psyker using assail when surrounded instead of pulling iut melee reminds me of the melee denier vets from a while back

[placid portal]

Man that is some weird shit

[frank ledge]

Same movements too, no dodges, they panic jump, you never see their melee

[placid portal]

Legit wouldn't a melee weapon have more mobiltiy vs channeling assail?

[south spindle]

Yep

[stark hollow]

a beauty

[quick burrow]

so exhilirating is bugged and deadshot is bugged iwth full auto mod lovely 😦

[placid portal]

Nice

[fervent quiver]

Okay different question: is the shredder still usable until I get a col iag?

[placid portal]

No

[south spindle]

Oh its usable sure

[frank ledge]

All weapons are useable

[fervent quiver]

Big E out here giving me a free 500 shredder

[south spindle]

Its just not fantastic

[placid portal]

Shredda is not a fun gun

[frank ledge]

It's just very effort intensive, like chaxe

[placid portal]

Might as well use a braced auto imo

[frank ether]

Yeah its a lot like when people get hearing damage from video games because they crank volume too much to hear footsteps, similar vibes here

[frank ledge]

resisting the urge to brauto into hordes is too much for me

[frank ether]

not worth it

[south spindle]

Aye very much so. Years of DayZ makes that very relatable

[placid portal]

Shredder's only advantage over braced is the mobility difference but usually your melee will cover that no?

[stark hollow]

yes agreed kek

[frank ether]

I am oh so disappointed with dayz still cause it was nothing like I hoped for in the end lmao

[south spindle]

It'll be comparable depending on what melee you have

[placid portal]

Definitely

[frank ether]

I ended up really enjoying project zomboid though, the only zombie survival game where zombies are genuinely scary

[south spindle]

Community servers mate honestly. Loads of mods that can vastly change the game

[placid portal]

Even if when slow moving zombies are scarier vs Walking dead

[placid portal]

HMMM

how

[stark hollow]

oof

[placid portal]

melk?

[frank ledge]

[frank ether]

I mean I thought about hosting a server with friends and all but even with mods its a shallow experience because dayz at its core designed more as a pvp game

[placid portal]

This is some melk sorcery right?

Not Brunt

[frank ledge]

brunt

[south spindle]

Oh yeah thats certainly true, it absolutely is

But thats by the by for most survival games

[placid portal]

What in sam hill?

[frank ledge]

I got this thing maxed to see how bad it could be

[south spindle]

Players are always gonna be more dangerous than bots, no matter how over tuned you make em

[frank ledge]

Hadron bricked it pre emptively

[placid portal]

Worst weapon roll contest

[frank ether]

So what I look for is more like I want to experience the very first few episodes of walking dead, cities full of zombies constant terror kind of thing

[placid portal]

[south spindle]

Well the Day Before got a relese date recently

[frank ether]

for that still no other game but project zomboid does it well

[south spindle]

Christ that game is gonna flop harder than brewers droop on a saturday morning

[frank ether]

I'll be honest I dont think there is a game

[south spindle]

I hear Zomboid is menna be good, but i cant get over the top-down approach

[cloud leaf]

how is deadshotbugged with full auto mod?

[south spindle]

Yeah.. think thats the outlook most have at this point

[frank ether]

Its gonna be like 10-20 hours of pain but once you get used to it and find some good mods, its really, really fun multiplayer experience

[south spindle]

It'd be cool if there was, but from what we saw recently, if there is a game, its gonna be GTA online, but with Zombies

[south spindle]

For sure, tbh i'd say that about DayZ too, but its the camera approach that turns me off way above anything else

Last top-down game i played was very, very old GTA games

We're talkin like 20something years ago at this point

[frank ether]

I felt the same way about it but now I kinda dig it, its new and exciting for me. Been also playing V rising aswell

[south spindle]

No idea what V rising even is tbh

[frank ether]

survival game revolving around you being a vampire in a human ruled world

[placid portal]

Solution, live underwater

[placid portal]

wat

[frank ledge]

This is a treasure

[frank ether]

you burn if you stand in sunlight etc etc

[placid portal]

[frank ledge]

The hair dryer

[frank ether]

actually very clever game at using shadows as a gameplay mechanic

[south spindle]

Already giving me flashbacks to Oblivion

[placid portal]

The logic of burning in sunlight makes no sense

cuz shadows isn't completely absence of light

[frank ether]

well if we're gonna do science magic and vampirism wont make much sense either

[placid portal]

exactly

Purge Vampires

[frank ether]

well the rule is if you sit in direct sunlight you catch on fire

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-burn-wargame-fantasy-burning-gif-16670316

Would UV light hurt vampires

🤔

[frank ether]

lmao

maybe

probably?

[frank ledge]

In some media it does

[frank ether]

most vampire games are pretty eeeh

and movies even

[placid portal]

Jojo Vampires

[frank ledge]

Jojo

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-gif-4913773

[frank ether]

V rising was pretty allright at least I was pleasantly suprised that it didnt end up as a cringefest as far as lore and shit goes

[frank ledge]

We need this

in the game

[placid portal]

some kind of chrome for cyberpunk

[frank ether]

stripped down vs gunner moment

[placid portal]

Swear to god Machinegun abdomen is probably a modification in cyberpunk

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-one-star-wars-bodhi-rook-running-running-away-gif-22931205

Veteran with stripped down at any time

[frank ether]

sanik

[frank ledge]

They should buff run and gun

[placid portal]

Run and Gun should merge with hit and rn

[frank ledge]

They should also fix the description

[frank ether]

play sanik theme whenever stripped down is active

but the deep fried version

[placid portal]

Honestly they should just merge run and gun with hit and run

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-bonk-gif-1640802954755837923

Please do not stand there

It's baiting snipers into ur team

[frank ether]

but muh high ground

[south spindle]

On any map

Just dont do it

Planting yourself anywhere is a stupid move in this game unless its a chokepoint you know you can hold

Mobility is king

[frank ledge]

If only half of the pubs understood that

[frank ether]

sorry I have vet brainrot

I must seek high ground

[frank ledge]

I never get how people manage to not see an area is already CLEAR OF LOOT

Camo moment

[frank ether]

camo expert pilled

[frank ledge]

Thank god it's gone

[frank ether]

threat reduction even stronger tbh

[frank ledge]

can you imagine current pub players with it?

[frank ether]

now they can move

[frank ledge]

ye

that's good

unlike the old stand still middle of horde

[frank ether]

it enables speedrun shittery tho

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kotique-cat-tongue-cat-lick-gif-20076599

[frank ledge]

Not as bad as de-agro from invis

[frank ether]

well

yes

I'm happy camo is gone

[frank ledge]

De agro used to work on DH, was funny to force your team to deal with YOUR dh

camo is no more, rejoice

[frank ether]

thats true

on the other hand its like a death sentence if a DH agros you tho

without certain highly defensive weapons

either your team bails you or you get trucked on

I'll be honest and say I just dont like DHs existing in general

I am biased

[frank ledge]

You could just

Disconnect

and reconnect

[frank ether]

gdkfgfhnı

playing by fatsherk rules

Too easy to accidentally wake it up sometimes

[placid portal]

Oh yea ye old classic lost connection flash rejoin jujitsu

[frank ether]

I dont like that kind of gameplay mechanic tbh

''uu careful where you shoot or half your team dies''

[placid portal]

Daemonhost is basically Team DPS check

[frank ether]

you know how that will go

but I kinda disagree on that

[placid portal]

If team cannot repel daemonhost or survive then they might not survive

[frank ether]

DH just doesnt stand still for clean weakspot hits

if your build is based on weakspots, you're fucked

Idk if its even possible to stun it

[placid portal]

That's true ngl

[frank ether]

maybe shout could

[placid portal]

Ogryns can stun Daemonhost

with SLAP

With enough Ogryns Daemonhosts are nothing

[frank ether]

but either you have some cheese like ogryn shield, vet bolter, zealot hammer etc

or you just suffer

of all the enemies in this game dhost is the only one I find putrid

[placid portal]

For Pubs ye

[frank ether]

because its a cheap gimmick

[placid portal]

That's the only reliable answer

XP

[frank ether]

I didnt like witches in l4 either I guess

but wasnt that annoying

[south spindle]

Stronger yes, but its much less toxic

[placid portal]

Hoo boi then you wouldn't like that one map where there's 50 witches spawn in the map roaming

[south spindle]

Camo vets before would just stand still and everyone else had to eat shit for as long as they were there

[placid portal]

And that's campaign

[south spindle]

At least this one is on a timer

[frank ether]

unfortunately people find new ways to be toxic with it like speedrunning through the map which results in the rest of the team dealing with one big snowball horde

[south spindle]

Yeah. Cant do much about those idiots, but hey, they were gonna do stupid shit anyway, so it dont really revolve around the skill quite as mcuh

Besides a comeptant 3 man can easily dunk on a mission without that guy

[placid portal]

And leave the guy ded

[south spindle]

Yep

[placid portal]

So he'll rage quit and have a real player join instead

[south spindle]

Do that to both Vets and Zealots if they run off alone

[placid portal]

[frank ether]

I mean witches arent anywhere near as tanky as DH unless I remember wrong

[frank ledge]

ogryn fs tend to stun it, krak too if it stands on one

Ogryn sadly can't bitch slap DH into a corner like every other monstruosity

[placid portal]

Yea witches are not boss tier tough but fragile vs DH

Also they only focus one person

[frank ledge]

witches head also doesn't jerk all over the place

[frank ether]

DH eating two is also ???

[frank ledge]

witches also don't teleport

[frank ether]

like ok the person who made the mistake dies

[placid portal]

Given how withes don't have the ability to command kill a player

[frank ether]

and then it takes another rando with it

[placid portal]

[frank ether]

Also witches dont like

guaranteed kill you from down state

[placid portal]

Ye

[south spindle]

If someone aggros Dh, run as far away from that shitstorm as is reasonable to be

Let it kill two off an strap on the carry pants

[frank ether]

Last time I did that all 3 of them died

and I was flamed for not committing

got called blind

[south spindle]

Oh well

[placid portal]

Sucks to suck

Xp

[frank ledge]

No wonder the emperor left us

[placid portal]

[frank ether]

Idk how the third one died

I think they sat next to each other and got cleaved maybe

[placid portal]

DH sometimes can kill 3 people

if the first 2 suck at staying alive

[south spindle]

Again that thing where just because X is better than Y and Z, Y and Z are apparently shit. Funny how this is so common in the DT community

[frank ledge]

He called 40% of firearms shit tho

[south spindle]

"i OnLy PlAy mEtA bRo!"

[frank ether]

either way I used to not hate DH as much as I did

when vet had giga survivability

so you could just slap 3 hp curios

[frank ledge]

Nothing pisses me off more than the "you were carried" folk

"I did well with x"
"You were carried"
"I was solo"
"Modded difficulty"

[south spindle]

Its a bit fuckin stupid innit.

[frank ether]

come to think of it I havent tried d.claw parries against it

[placid portal]

It works

[frank ledge]

it works

[south spindle]

You can parry all monsters ye

[placid portal]

but you have to parry the end of the combo

[frank ledge]

the DH just doesn't care

[frank ether]

I just remember last time I had powersword 6

and it was just ass vs DH

[placid portal]

[south spindle]

Personally dont like the mobility debuff of PSword on the whole

[frank ether]

its normally fine

you can play around it

but DH is just

[south spindle]

They're very powerful weapons, but if thats costs the price of not being able to reposition, its a pass for me

[frank ether]

Idk what you do with DH really

point of ps is obviously to be more offensive weapon

[south spindle]

You could probably still kill one with it, but it'd be way harder than with other choices

[frank ether]

the whole gimmick is that

you take precision strikes

[south spindle]

Yep, P'much

[frank ether]

and use it on sharpshooter vet

on melee vet I could just take other stuff and make it work like a charm anyways

[south spindle]

But it also requires you to commit heavily to situations that can change on a dime

An if that situation goes bad.. wellllll...

[placid portal]

I've been trying combat axes and ngl they are fun

[frank ether]

I think being able to cleave metric tons of trash mobs helps carry lesser teams

since you push the way forward for them

so they dont get stuck and get clowned on

that happens a lot on moving sections

[south spindle]

Trial by fire is the best way to get people up to speed

[frank ledge]

or ragequit

[frank ether]

in the same vein

[south spindle]

Yep, but thats the thing innit, if they're made to compete in higher tiers, then they'll learn from it and likely not rq

[frank ether]

as sharpshooter vet its also good for u

if you want to be a little more aggro

[south spindle]

Personally i just take Shovel, always have done on Vet, great combination of different qualities. Master of none, but proper jack of all trades

[frank ether]

shovel is a good defense pick

so is d.claw

[placid portal]

Shovel is ol reliable in defense

[tepid pagoda]

Defense is for the weak

[south spindle]

Got good offence too, can stagger lock most things, gets a bunch of decent blessing an all of its moveset is relevant, there are no deadspots

[placid portal]

Best Offense is Defense

[tepid pagoda]

Wrong

Best defense is offense

Go ham

Kill everything

[frank ether]

[placid portal]

YEs

[south spindle]

And then you get netted

[frank ledge]

can't learn if u ragequit the moment u go down

[placid portal]

Use the Wall as crusher

[tepid pagoda]

You get netted no matter what

[frank ledge]

which is an issue that is slowly getting more common

[tepid pagoda]

[placid portal]

Why ppl rage quit

🤔

[frank ledge]

idk

[placid portal]

Do not make sense

[frank ether]

krill issue

[south spindle]

A lot of people are using that DC and reconnect mod now it would seem

[placid portal]

Sometimes it does save the run

[frank ledge]

maybe they were bullied in heresy?

[placid portal]

*sometimes

[south spindle]

I hope FS ban that shit tbh

[placid portal]

[frank ether]

there needs to be a line I agree

[frank ledge]

mods that need to get looked at by fs:

• Hp bars may be the line
• Reconnect bs has to go

[south spindle]

HP bars deffo needs to go imo

[frank ether]

I dont think they should outright ban the people without warning that would be a disaster

[south spindle]

Thats probably one of the biggest crutches avaliable to a player atm

[frank ledge]

I'm on the fence about it, I'd say it's one of those things that are just barely above the line

[tepid pagoda]

I'll stop playing

[south spindle]

Oh for sure, they should warn people, but after said warning goes out, insta-ban

[tepid pagoda]

Rip game

[frank ledge]

or force the mod off site, like with the solo with rewards mod

[tepid pagoda]

It has no visibility so HP bars is the only way to play

[south spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[frank ledge]

vt2 has no shit like this

vt2 has more specials and elite spawns

we never needed this

[south spindle]

Like i said before, they're a crutch

[frank ledge]

we also didn't need it in dt for several months

[south spindle]

Simple as

[tepid pagoda]

It isn't needed and it isn't s crutch

[frank ether]

you still dont need it

[timid otter]

Theres no way vt2 has more specials, elites

Unless you play extreme modded

[frank ledge]

Special parameters are 2 per, but there's more specials

Also event specials overide regular special spawns

[tepid pagoda]

It barely changes how you play, just saves you some time and bullets

[frank ledge]

so you can end up with more

and twitch exists xd

barely?

[trim hemlock]

I think the merit is that this mod affects your decision making

[tepid pagoda]

So?

[trim hemlock]

That’s not to say I thoroughly agree it should be banned

[tepid pagoda]

Yeaj

I mean it's not like it aims for me

Damn I know what special to shoot first is OP

[frank ledge]

With hp bar mod I can just play mark boi and mark whatever my team doesn't see
I can prioritize low hp specials for muh scoreboard
I can use fire/lighting to spot specials within a horde very easily, I can tell if there's a mauler inside a crusher, I can tell exactly how many elites or specials are left and I can tell exactly what attack I need to kill something

[tepid pagoda]

Health bars should be default instead

[frank ledge]

[frank ether]

health bars are tasteless

fight me

[tepid pagoda]

Fuck making decisions based on nothing

[frank ledge]

You make decisions based on threat of special and situation.

[trim hemlock]

They would be nice as a toggle, but I think it’s too much clutter on the screen, frankly

[south spindle]

they're a crutch. If you need HP bars to threat prioritize effectively, thats a pure skill issue

[tepid pagoda]

Yeah the skill of

"hope I guessed their HP right lmao*

[frank ether]

then why does it matter

[tepid pagoda]

Very skill

Much wow

[frank ledge]

You prioritize gunners
then bombers and flamers/snipers (area denial)
Then disablers
Then mutants

[tepid pagoda]

Gunners lol

[frank ledge]

this can shift tho

depending on situation

current gunners are number 1 priority

[frank ether]

reverse that list and I agree

[south spindle]

Their HP literally doesnt matter. If something is the most threatening thing in the situation, you kill it regardless of its HP. Using the HP bar mod to pick out whats "most threatening" just translates to, at least imo, picking whatever is on the lowest HP regardless of if its helpful or not

[frank ledge]

Why would you prioritize mutants

[trim hemlock]

You should be keeping track of your teammates power level, equipment and etc., to make complicated equations on the fly, to figure out when and how did they damage a certain special before you make your call

[tepid pagoda]

I haven't event noticed gunners most games.
Flames and netters though

[trim hemlock]

This is peak Darktide

[frank ether]

you'll get grabbed and sniped/bombed/thrown off map

[frank ledge]

Hp bar also let's you see specials you often can't see and bypasses the mark limit

[trim hemlock]

Excel sheets popping up in your head

[frank ledge]

You can dodge those

but if ur area is denied, you can't

[frank ether]

dont have to prioritize mutie but you have to respect its existence immediately

[south spindle]

So even more of a crutch because you dont have to work on spatial awareness, noted.

[frank ledge]

Ye u can just run smite

and instnatly all the specials and elites light up for about 10 seconds

no need to mark

[tepid pagoda]

When you have 50 health bars on your screen it's really not helping your spatial awareness

[frank ledge]

You know shit is gonna go down

which someone may not see because there's crushers or bulwarks in the way

[frank ledge]

Priorities doesn't mean ignore obviusly, you know trapper exists, you mark her to keep track, but you focus the bomber so you aren't forced to split and your dodge is available

flamer depends if ur in a bad spot already or not

sometimes you can just use them as a backup

just in case dog catches u

[frank ether]

bombers have strong arms

[frank ledge]

but yep, hp bars and reconnect should go

[frank ether]

you wont always know there is one

[frank ledge]

bombers play basketball with gas rats

both have great throws

they also seem to have fun

"IT'S BLASTING TIME"

[timid otter]

If i get to choose between dealing with a trapper or flamer i will kill the trapper.

Trappers are the most dangerous disabler right now in the game

[frank ledge]

dodge the net and the trapper disables herself for several seconds

which allows you breathing room to kill the rest

[tepid pagoda]

Just dodge the unreliable net

[timid otter]

Ye but shes generally unpredictable

[tepid pagoda]

While dealing with 4 flamers

[frank ledge]

that's why you deal with flamers

[tepid pagoda]

[frank ledge]

so u can dodge reliably xd

and gunners

[tepid pagoda]

They all came at the same time

[frank ether]

very common death is to get grabbed before bomber/flamer shows up

[frank ledge]

gunners are the biggest threat

[tepid pagoda]

Also netters need their stagger fixed

Holy

[frank ether]

and the worst is when they throw you directly into fire

[frank ledge]

That's because the most common player can't dodge traps

[timid otter]

Its either way a dumb discussion since scenario vary

[frank ether]

actually no them doing the hold is worse

[timid otter]

I highly doubt aswell that you struggle with the same things i do

[frank ether]

yee

[frank ledge]

Ye I noted first it's different

in an open space ur not gonna make bombers/flamers a priority

or with enough space to back up

[frank ether]

immesurably complex nets

[timid otter]

Im pretty sure i subconsciously position myself well nowadays in terms of retreating

[frank ledge]

they have made gunner stagger res worse

[frank ether]

they also just go through solid stairs/walls sometimes

[frank ledge]

now occasionaly they tank ogryn hits

so no wonder trapper stagger res is not fixed

[frank ledge]

trapper bon combo is painful

[frank ether]

maybe its a ping issue but I often see people dodge to cover and still get netted

[frank ledge]

trapper inside bon, can't get shot or pinged

traps clueless ally, now ally is eating double corruption and no one can walk through bon to get em

then convinient bomber/flamer

[frank ether]

vets and psykers basically get grilled instantly to it

[frank ledge]

extra points if bon was puking while doing it

[frank ether]

at least with trapper someone can instantly save you with a tap

mutie kinda just

grabs you

holds you

while you're grillin

gives you a good little tap over the fire too

[frank ether]

bon puke is funny

correct me if wrong but doesnt bon aggro whoever sits in puke

or is it because they puke on aggro player that its how I perceive it

[timid otter]

Bon is a sad enemy to face

[frank ether]

its a meme but you'd be suprised how some people dont understand the concept

[timid otter]

Bon is either an easy boss or an impossible boss

[frank ledge]

I prefer stormfiend to bon

because stormfiend has 2 weakspots, just incase the map doesn't allow to get around

[frank ether]

infil vet makes it easy I just need the team to keep it facing one direction for like 15 seconds

[frank ledge]

bon only has the big one at the back...painful

[frank ether]

but people panic with bon

and just run in circles

so the bon runs in circles

[frank ledge]

Ogryn f atleast seems to reliably get bon agro

so I can atleast get the agro off the vet and keep it in a decent spot

[cloud leaf]

use revolver slap spin around tech

[gaunt delta]

They’re trying not to get puked on, I think

[frank ether]

you can sidestep it

dont need to make a 90 degree turn lol

[frank ledge]

You can siderun it and keep spinning bon to get puke on other players

[gaunt delta]

Like a lawn sprinkler

[timid otter]

I prefer fighting CS and PO since they are soloable over BON

[frank ledge]

jokes aside, people don't understand, it's better to get puked a little, than to take 1+ minute killing bon

u can solo bon

it's just ammo and time consuming

[frank ether]

yea ammo hog from front

nothing difficult

[frank ledge]

if bon had some abilities from the stormfiend it'd be more interesting

like jumping around

[sharp ember]

it's not the hardest to bait puke without getting any puke on you