veteran-class

[harsh garnet]

crying dude, its all I want

[midnight mortar]

These are not all-class cosmetics.

[harsh garnet]

turn off my brain and watch the brass fly

[midnight mortar]

The announcement makes it pretty clear there's a set for each class.

[finite imp]

Gotcha.

[celest vine]

Stupid shit man

[finite imp]

That's a shame I really wanted a hood for my vet

[acoustic wyvern]

how about a ogryn with a backpack the size of a teddy bear

[celest vine]

Scion stuff in the files too

[acoustic wyvern]

we can turn that bear into that comissar they like

[raw birch]

whats that sword skin?

[harsh garnet]

screeeeeeee

currently the closest "lmg" action I can get is a shock troop mark 4 inf lasgun

[forest maple]

I understand that the way the game is monetized sucks and i agree with everything you guys are saying. However, just make do with the free cosmetics and just play the game since the gameplay is fire. Thats the way live service gaming is and apparently it can't be changed by the vocal minority that doesn't buy stuff

just play the game and enjoy it without buying skins. Not missing terribly much tbh

[finite imp]

Not to be pedantic and blindly hopefully but it says for all classes not each

You're probably right tho

[celest vine]

They cant even let us earn the title screen gear for some ridiculous reason

Or no reason

[midnight mortar]

For all classes, as in there will be free cosmetics for each class.

Unless you believe FS wanted to intentionally let players figure out which cosmetics would and wouldn't be all class just by looking at an image.

[topaz lance]

Really thought this would be avilable with the launch anniversary coming up.

[forest maple]

I know and i've salivated over that skin since month 1 but i'm feeling certain that that set is next penance for vet

[finite imp]

Seems not as clear cut to me but again you're likely right. Which is silly. Why give a sniper hood to the zealots wtf

[celest vine]

Nope, you get cosmetics based off the fucking teaser instead

[midnight mortar]

Because the zealot aethestic seems to be based around hooded, dealth cult type killers.

[finite imp]

I just want a hoodie man my head is hold

[midnight mortar]

They've always been getting hoods.

[forest maple]

Guys just let the zealot bro's have it

[finite imp]

Cold

[forest maple]

any good free skin for any class is a win

[finite imp]

They can have it go nuts just like they took out bionic eye

[forest maple]

we will soon tm get the intro cosmetics

dont worry about it

[undone cobalt]

Not really snipers though. More like bladed ICBMs on leg, that launch themselves at their targets whilst screaming indistinct prayers to the God-Emperor.

[finite imp]

Our*

[celest vine]

They cant even fix the resupply allies penance so we can get the knockoff title screen helmet

[midnight mortar]

I never mentioned the word snipers, so I'm not sure where you got that from.

[gaunt hinge]

the promo image says each class

https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/business20/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/0/7/0774de9e8a3802405ddf7d788931a59ec46716ae.jpeg

[celest vine]

This is the knockoff helmet

[midnight mortar]

It's funny because it's the launch trailer helmet without the helmet.

[frank ledge]

no

[finite imp]

Rip

[frank ledge]

It's from the trailer

[gaunt hinge]

nuh uh

[midnight mortar]

Meanwhile in the game we have the mask and a different helmet.

[celest vine]

Its just the mask

[swift ingot]

I am looking positively dashing, wouldn’t y’all agree?

[celest vine]

[forest maple]

Thats why i think we'll get it soon from penances. Looks like a logical next step

[undone cobalt]

You didn't, but the hood in question seems to be a tacticool specops snipery hood, not your typical deathcult lunatic hood.

[frank ledge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735588196410196071/1172140913775091773/image.png?ex=655f3c4b&is=654cc74b&hm=0f7dff79c58d0222e15e6fe77e5e4cceec1f9edb23cd894c5457957f2ee65560&

Fight me vet*ran

[gaunt hinge]

the the baldy, yeah

[finite imp]

Yeah I know if I was locked in a shootout the last thing id want is a FUCKIN HELMET ON

[gaunt hinge]

but not the helmeted one

[celest vine]

Theres actually two variants of that helmet

[undone cobalt]

"Hooded deathcult type killers" are still firmly in the raving lunatic camp.

[frank ledge]

it's still from the trailer

[celest vine]

Brown and black mask

[forest maple]

oh shit

didnt know that

i hope the free one is with the mask or smth but i doubt it

[gaunt hinge]

kinda big veteran

[finite imp]

The hoses are kinda neat

[celest vine]

THEYRE FUCKING READY TO GO

[midnight mortar]

Logical next step is a dangerous phrase to pair with Fatshark, but sure I can see the logic.

[forest maple]

I get it

[finite imp]

I just want my talent tree rework

[celest vine]

Theyve been ready since launch

[midnight mortar]

Those launch trailer helmets have bene in the game since the game launched.

[forest maple]

I hope we overall get better free cosmetics to balance out the premium ones

[finite imp]

It feels like I'm wasting my time getting good at current builds

[midnight mortar]

I wouldn't be surprised if Fatshark just forgot they existed.

[rigid rampart]

Think you could also see them in the beta also

[celest vine]

I mean if you keep posting it they may do something about it

[midnight mortar]

Yeah, I have vague memories of that too.

[finite imp]

They are releasing cosmetics based on them what

Surely they know of them if they're speaking of them

[midnight mortar]

That's just it. I wouldn't be surprised if Fatshark is just piecing assorted assets together to then release them as cosmetics.

That's how you get that same mask we've seen.

But never in the right combination to match the launch trailer's helmet.

[finite imp]

Man it's to early for this shit

I need to wake up

[untold mulch]

Any day now

[celest vine]

If they do a Q&A in the server (they wont) I’ll directly ask them why the fuck they havent done it?

[midnight mortar]

Right up there with the hellgun.

[finite imp]

Crazy that it's been a year

[forest maple]

Do we know what they are working on for now? After x-box release, whats the next step for development?

[midnight mortar]

Also, don't overlook the fact this Vanguard Pack is now a snub towards Xbox players. It's like a tit for tat in the opposite direction.

[forest maple]

Content wise, not skins i mean

[midnight mortar]

Which is still shitty.

[finite imp]

Bruh I don't think they care

[raw birch]

im curious if we going to get dlc for new maps or a new class

[midnight mortar]

Now both Xbox and PC players have unequal access to content.

[finite imp]

They're laughing all the way to the bank

[midnight mortar]

It's hilarious.

No I know they don't care.

[forest maple]

"Paid" DLC? i hope not

[untold mulch]

At this point, I am just gonna jump full time to Rogue Trader and maybe remember Darktide later

[midnight mortar]

I just find it really amusing to see them commit to it.

[finite imp]

We deff got screwed in this

[celest vine]

Dont buy it

Its simpke

[untold mulch]

Yep, Fatshark solved the "issue" in a backwards way

[raw birch]

its just i expect it cuz of vermintide had it

[finite imp]

He will. And so will you

We all will

[forest maple]

If paid dlc has classes, i dont give a fuck. If it has quests/content then fuck them

[celest vine]

The cosmetics blow dick

[forest maple]

Let me rephrase that, i give a fuck but classes are w/e

[celest vine]

Theyre mot even good

[midnight mortar]

I want to know just how many Monkey's Paws they've gone through.

It's staggeringly impressive.

[forest maple]

if they split the playerbase in half then that sucks

[midnight mortar]

They keep doing it.

And it keeps happening.

Like Loki must be their advisor or something.

Finding the perfect way to double back on themselves.

[finite imp]

How did this work in Vermintide cuz I think the dlc there had missions

Could you just not play them

[forest maple]

No idea

[forest breach]

finally a way to execute heretics with style

[forest maple]

first fatshark game for me

[finite imp]

I think you could invite people

You just couldn't start

[raw birch]

i think if u had a friend who has it u can play it

[finite imp]

Them

Yeah

[midnight mortar]

In Vermintide if the host had the DLC, everyone else could play along with it.

[finite imp]

So that avoids splitting the player base

At least

[raw birch]

u can also quick play into it also

[untold mulch]

I regret at launch not investigating VT2 history dev more in depth

[raw birch]

if i remmeber right

[finite imp]

Nice

[brisk sapphire]

yea only hosts needs the DLC in vt2

[forest maple]

Can you quickplay etc without the dlc and create dlc map matches?

[finite imp]

Well that's good

[raw birch]

u jsut need the dlc to start the said mission but others like random players can join without dlc

[forest maple]

Imagine the discord when that happens. The literal begging to be taken to a dlc mission

[brisk sapphire]

vt2 had 2 map DLCs release during its first year

[finite imp]

Doubtful

[forest maple]

Obviously the missions will be premium since they cost money, so they will be better more fleshed out so they sell

[finite imp]

Didn't happen with vt2

[forest maple]

Would you guys then want them to keep pushing premium cosmetics if that means keeping maps and other content dlc free?

[raw birch]

yea the only people who wanted to dlc missions in vt2 was the people who had dlc cuz when u buy dlc u can unlock cosmetics doing its "penance"

[finite imp]

If I remember the dlc right they were just like the vanilla missions in length and objective

[forest maple]

So all playable content is free but cosmetics are priced higher?

[finite imp]

Yes

[dusk idol]

if they continued the way they are now, yes

[raw birch]

i got a feeling the dlc they will bring is a new class

[finite imp]

Your pfp keeps making me think of grooky

[dusk idol]

and if the quality of their cosmetics improved

yes

[brisk sapphire]

i certainly wouldnt complain since i ignore the paid cosmetic shop at this point

[finite imp]

I don't even use cosmetics currently on my vet cuz it can cause trolls

[dusk idol]

i’m kinda tired of seeing the same skin recoloured and minor things tweaked

[finite imp]

People are that asshurt they "boycott" the game by trolling you in game for having paid cosmetics

[midnight mortar]

I think with the Krieg skins they figured out that players will pay more for less.

[brisk sapphire]

i just use penance armor. except for on vet im another steel legioner

[celest vine]

They canr even fixed the challenges to get the earned ones

[tepid pagoda]

Record, report and get them banned

Ez

[finite imp]

Kreig is just really popular

[swift ingot]

Valhallan Ice Warriors set when?

[brisk sapphire]

which i got with imperial edition $$

[tepid pagoda]

Low prio just play the game for fun smh

[finite imp]

That's also a good point. Kinda B's they haven't changed those redacted ones

[midnight mortar]

Right, which is why they charged more. Despite the fact they were of poorer quality than skins released as a bundle a year ago.

The old Steel Legion bundle came with a weapon skin too.

[celest vine]

“We may fix it eventually guyss”

[finite imp]

Guys say it with me

[midnight mortar]

All for less than the current Krieg bundle that doesn't even include a weapon skin.

[finite imp]

GRENADE TINKERER GIVES YOU STUN IMMUNITY

[midnight mortar]

And the old Steel Legion set had coat physics.

It's clear they know what works and what they can achieve.

[raw birch]

question is if they do add a class into the game, what would they add im not so big in warhmmer lore too much

[dusk idol]

you know I been wondering about this, how does it activate? Is it always on if you take tinkerer?

[celest vine]

Another bug

[untold mulch]

Alwyas on, is spaguetti code

[brisk sapphire]

lotta people guessing and pushing for a mechanius

[dusk idol]

maybe rattling snipers, maybe sisters of battle, maybe a nurgling, who knows

there’s at least voice lines referencing the first two

[dusk idol]

love it

[raw birch]

mind me asking but whats a rattling sniper is it the usual sniper or something different?

[median hemlock]

Has anyone had any experience with using Deadshot on an Infantry lasgun (MG IA)? I haven't touched the talent for a year, I was wondering if I need a +Stamina curio or if having stamina regen perks + the dodge talent is enough.

[dusk idol]

they’re like fantasy halflings, the opposite of an ogryn essentially

[median hemlock]

Also, Exhilarating Takedown is bugged, so I don't want to use that until it's patched.

[wanton dawn]

Which is fine cuz it is ass anyway

[dusk idol]

what’s the bug with it?

[wanton dawn]

Increase dmg taken instead of reducing it

[median hemlock]

As expected from Fatshart: you take 30% more damage instead of less

[dusk idol]

[wanton dawn]

It is multiplicative so it is more like 33%

[dusk idol]

for heavens sake

this game

[untold mulch]

SPSAGUETTI CODE

[wanton dawn]

Not spaghetti here. More like unsalted bread

[crude wind]

it's proper spaghetti ragu

[urban brook]

guys, do you know if the resupply penance has been fixed?

[vestal canyon]

This has definetly been mentioned before but is there any news on whether any of the bugged penances are being fixed soon?

[celest vine]

Best lasgun now

[viral nacelle]

I’ve been playing lasgun vet seriously with the new traits and wow, very vulnerable compared to the shouty vet tree

Really makes me think about positioning for sure

[turbid frigate]

What enemies are carapace?

[viral nacelle]

Everything that looks very metal

And heavy

[celest vine]

Just use shout anyway

[viral nacelle]

Also the arms of some of the fat ones

[turbid frigate]

That isn't flak?

[vestal canyon]

Crushers, reaper shoulders, mauler helmets, amd bulwark arms

[forest maple]

For real just use shout for everything

[dusk idol]

flak is like sorta metal

[viral nacelle]

Shout is best but so what, I want to get good with executioner stance

[dusk idol]

carapace looks like cast iron steel

[forest maple]

especially since exhilerating takedown is making you take 30% more damage

[turbid frigate]

Kk ty guys

[vestal canyon]

If you smack it with a light attack and it bounces off then its carapace

[viral nacelle]

Lol what is that a bug?

[forest maple]

you dont take reduced 30% toughness damage, you take 30% INCREASED

[viral nacelle]

Is that why ragers have been taking a dump on me if they get close 😂

[forest maple]

yup

[viral nacelle]

God damn it

I even added some toughness feats to back me up a little

[forest maple]

So excecutioners builds feel VERY squishy

[dusk idol]

this explains a lot

[forest maple]

since they also removed our damage reduction while on stance

so shout veteran is the most stable, solid build atm

atleast i have the most success with it

[viral nacelle]

Meh, I’m still running executioner. I cant carry with it but it’s teaching me about positioning for sure

[dusk idol]

not neglecting to mention the over toughness which protects from (most) bleed through damage

and it’s very nice low cool down

[forest maple]

plus the 50% toughness damage reduction while having 75%+ total toughness

works as toughness from shout counts towards total

[viral nacelle]

Yes but unlimited ammo

UNLIMITED AMMO

[forest maple]

i never run out of ammo

even with plasma

you dont REALLY need the 25% talent

maybe for braced autoguns

[viral nacelle]

It’s not about need

[forest maple]

you dont have ammo problems with any laser gun other than recon

[viral nacelle]

It’s about want

[dusk idol]

if you never use your ranged weapon, you basically had infinite ammo the entire game

[forest maple]

then obviously you do you

[acoustic wyvern]

what you need is the Right tree with VOC and pretend you're a zealot with PS and PC4

[forest maple]

What can i say guys, i never run out of ammo on Auric T5's

[acoustic wyvern]

sorry, PS4

[forest maple]

and i use my gun ALOT

[dusk idol]

neither, unless it’s super stressful and I’m the only one shooting specials

[viral nacelle]

I’m not doing maelstrom because I’m old and it hurts my hands, and Damnation is easy enough that I can get silly with builds

[dusk idol]

but survivalist always sees me through

[acoustic wyvern]

in auric its hard to run out of ammo cause survivalist gives ammo faster than how orks breed

[viral nacelle]

Yah survivalist ammo gen is amazing

[dusk idol]

histg is free ammo

[frank ledge]

You can't report me for inhaling all your ammo 😛

[dusk idol]

the ability to regen ammo and grenades on veteran alone makes him great, though having two great grenades is also nice

[acoustic wyvern]

3

[forest maple]

Hes talking about krak without the talent i guess

[acoustic wyvern]

all grenades are wonderful

[viral nacelle]

Bleed nade sucks

[dusk idol]

idk man, smoke seems very

meh

bleed nades are wonderful

[viral nacelle]

Armor piercing nade is bae

[celest vine]

Youre using them wrong

[viral nacelle]

Entirely possible

[dusk idol]

they’re good, but they’re overkill especially if you’re running rend revolver or plasma

[celest vine]

Theyre for clearing hoards

[acoustic wyvern]

smoke nades are great, you have like 0.05% chance to summon Snoop Dreg

[viral nacelle]

I have a chainsword for that, bleh

[celest vine]

Toss them into a hoard at range and reduce their health to effectively nothing

[dusk idol]

mixed hordes specifically they excel at deleting

[celest vine]

Or outright kill them

[placid portal]

Hmmm got a mid roll on Rashad so all or nothing or shred?

[celest vine]

And when your surrounded, giving the enemy 18 bleed stacks sure will help

[placid portal]

I thought 16 stacks are the max

[celest vine]

Grenades are 6 stacks each

[dusk idol]

16+3 ticks at 16

[celest vine]

So yeah if it maxes at 16

Pretty good way to ensure death

Gunners cant survive it

Ragers cant

[dusk idol]

maulers neither

[placid portal]

Should I keep all or nothing4 vs shred 3?

[celest vine]

So youll clear the enemies around you if you get surrounded

Very very good grenade

[forest maple]

Also helps you res

its more support than offense

[dusk idol]

hard to say, i have never really used either faithfully on the combat axe

[placid portal]

Hmmm fair enough time to test around

[celest vine]

Toss one on the psyker that blew himself up then the hoard magically disappears

[dusk idol]

even if it doesn’t, the wide aoe stagger gives your team room to breathe and move

[frank ether]

too bad that using them right is spamming all of them at once

[dusk idol]

that’s already great

[placid portal]

Need to let go of one blessing for brutal momentum

Xp

[dusk idol]

old frags on vet were never great for damage, mainly for stagger, so bleed nades just feel like a blatant upgrade to it

but bleed nade and krak are both great

just pick whichever your build needs

[frank ether]

old frags existed in the old meta of the game

hard to compare to now

where the horde dies before I can stack frags properly

I like frags for long throw though

[dusk idol]

value is value, stagger is still important and bleed is just an extra to me

i use shredders when i feel like my team needs the stagger, not just whenever there’s a chaff horde

[old quail]

consider

https://streamable.com/jbz0tq

the power

[frank ether]

I mean sure I agree

it has its use

I just dont like bleeds

[old quail]

stuff like dumdum buffs DoTs btw

[placid portal]

Sheesh

So infernus dum dum is good?

[old quail]

yes

because its a free like 30% buff to ur DoT although u will kill most things faster than infernus can stack on say a laspistol

[viral nacelle]

Basically. And I wish the stagger was bigger rather than adding dots.

Basically what I want is either “claps armored mob” or “wide area stagger”

[frank ether]

would rather have less of them in carry capacity but in bigger effect

maybe thats asking for much I feel like one frag that lands near a bunch of elites should finish them

[old quail]

the shredder's purpose is that u just drop 2 of em on any soft-ish target and it disappears

[frank ether]

with the way it currently works its more like you need to stack 3 of them, but that kills everything in a large area because bleed stacking is crazy

[old quail]

i honestly think theyre a bit overtuned

but also highly situational

[frank ether]

yes very specialized

very good for big horde

why bother for anything else

except ''oh shit pls stagger'' moment I guess?

I do run 4x frags on infil vet

[old quail]

its specifically mixed hordes

[frank ether]

I think I'd get more value out of kraks

[dusk idol]

i mean a real grenade would do that to a person no matter what they were wearing, but explosions in this game (bar the nuclear bomb) just scale badly with radius

[old quail]

where u get the clown car of 15 ragers/shotgunners/etc

because it completely wipes an elite patrol like that

[frank ether]

frag explosion falls off really hard past 2 meters

its really the bleed that does the killing

[dusk idol]

2 meters psh it feels like 2 feet

[frank ether]

consider that melee range is like.. 7 meters?

[dusk idol]

it’s tiny as all hell

[frank ether]

throwing 3 of them works because bleed damage just skyrockets with extra stacks

change this behavior and frags immediately will become hot garbage

[iron marten]

mmmm

[dusk idol]

i’d still say they’d have a use into mixed hordes again for the stagger, they’d just lose their damage profile which is, yes quite good once stacked

[frank ether]

kraks on the other hand have suprisingly decent instakill potential and very easy to use in mixed hordes

because they will stick on things

they wont kill the horde though

just the annoying shit

[dusk idol]

they’re a god damn nightmare to hit precision targets with though

[south prairie]

I use krak to kill elites

[iron marten]

krak will stick onto flak and carapace, so if there's a crusher in the horder, you'll be able to breathe

[south prairie]

Ogryns especially

[dusk idol]

mauler three meters in front of your crusher? watch the god emperor sic this grenade son

[frank ether]

I mean I dont really bother using krak for something like say shotgunner or rager pack

the meta is to pack a weapon that will murder those with ease anyways

[left scarab]

I have 3 krak grenades

[dusk idol]

the ultimate satisfaction is getting a real nice grouping of your carapace targets in the krak blast zone

[frank ether]

yeah in narrow corridors

thats where krak shines

[brisk umbra]

Kraks honestly are good even just because they melt bosses

[frank ether]

kraks get even better with tinkerer

[brisk umbra]

And i honestly believe that alone makes them better than Frags for 90% of the cases

Oh you get Tinkerer anyway, since it gives stun immunity for now

[south prairie]

3 kraks + tinkerers all sticking the boss is just MMMMM

[frank ether]

well so does frags but I'm not sure if the %25 damage from grenade tinkerer affects frag bleed damage, I think its just explosion damage.

[fleet drift]

What’s the difference between 2 power sword?

[brisk umbra]

PS6 is better

So, realistically speaking, it's about what level of power cycler you have and what you need to do with it

[pearl granite]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-vanguard-pc-bundle/86360 are we getting these skins for free?

[frank ether]

one mistake people make is they use all of them at once

[dusk idol]

afaik yes

[brisk umbra]

PS6 with a god roll can two shots Crushers, and really good clear with light attacks, but for the horde clear you really need Power Cycler 4

[frank ether]

the stun lasts a while so throw your kraks with some pacing for maximum boss stun

[brisk umbra]

the PS3 on the other hand has good enough* everything else, but the two heavy attacks are great for everything, so with Power Cycler 3 is more than enough

[delicate moat]

oo lights out is spicy

[dusk idol]

bring voice of command so you can potentially ledge your demonhost

[frank ether]

does shout stun dhost or is it just for toughness?

[dusk idol]

it does stagger all monstrosities

[brisk umbra]

i'm pretty sure it does

[frank ether]

holy hell

[south prairie]

I understand but the rush of seeing an entire chunk of boss health disappearing is too much to resist

[frank ether]

infil is so useless vs dhost past the griefing fix

[brisk umbra]

kraks still not stick to dhost unfortunately

(or at least they didn't seems so)

[dusk idol]

it should, she’s just a hard target to hit since she’s thin and moves around a lot

[brisk umbra]

The thing is, kraks really have a big stick range

[dusk idol]

on carapace only

[brisk umbra]

if a crusher/bosses is even around they tend to stick them

oh could've been that then

[dusk idol]

it will not magnetise to monstrosities, you gotta hit them with the actual grenade

[median hemlock]

Can you throw the krak at the DH feet? It should magnetize to her, at least it does that to enemies in the training room.

[dusk idol]

me whiffing on chaos spawns

[brisk umbra]

yesterday i whiffed hard on a shield guy and saw the krak fly to it

[dusk idol]

it doesn’t magnetise to monstrosities

[median hemlock]

That sucks.

[safe flower]

Trying to revise my skill tree. Is the 2 stacks of 10% rending worth it for lasguns now that it has less stacks?

[dusk idol]

it sticks to them but it won’t attract itself to them

[swift ingot]

It sticks to monsters, it only magnetizes to carapace

[safe flower]

Specifically talking mg12/1a

[south prairie]

I whiffed on monstrosities quite a lot, at least one will not stick

[brisk umbra]

it's melee only

[safe flower]

Oh, fair, I didn't even take that into consideration xD

[dusk idol]

such is the krak life

[brisk umbra]

actually it's only on melee crit, it's such a bad node

[safe flower]

That is a pretty bad node, I'll agree.

Still unsure if I am taking the 10% or not, cause I feel like if I take those 3 points that I'd additionally need for it, based on me always going CK and IW, I'd be better off improving my nades.

Comp-Urge isn't bad, but also not the best when I can instead carry another krak nade. Especially on Auric

[brisk umbra]

i really like competitive urge personally

on auric it's always up when you need it

(during mixed hordes of 91283012 enemies out)

[safe flower]

I didn't dislike it, but on the other end, I have a lot of situations where a third or fourth nade isn't the worst either

[muted yarrow]

Meele only vet it is then

[brisk umbra]

oh laspistol i like Deadshot+Weak Point and ammo

[safe flower]

And with the 1a you're pretty efficient at killing things that would make use of the 20% extra damage anyways

[brisk umbra]

Rending strike, and the nall the classic stuff to get there

[safe flower]

Couldn't think of one target except for maybe maulers and scab rangers where it could come in clutch

[brisk umbra]

Oh we talking the automatic lasguns, my bad

[safe flower]

Yeah, the kantraels.

[wanton dawn]

Comp urge is not worth without rending strike

[brisk umbra]

after the nerf to ammo economy i find myself preferring the IAGS

[muted yarrow]

Nothing is better than a meele only shovel vet

[safe flower]

I'm currently testing a collection of fairly decent ones that got recently buffed, the 4 I don't like so much, cause it feels like an in between thing for people who use an aimbot, whereas the 1a is geniunely good

[brisk umbra]

at that point you could use a very similar build

[wanton dawn]

Comp urge is not bad as a bridge node but it is not a target node either

[brisk umbra]

Oh god, you meant the semi-automatic ones!

[dusk idol]

i want an aimbot

[safe flower]

This is what I'm currently running for my 1A Lasgun

[brisk umbra]

(i'm terrible with the various MK numbers )

[dusk idol]

i want a robot to play the game for me

[safe flower]

1a is the medium size kantrael

Slightly faster than the 12, but more punch than the 4

[brisk umbra]

ye i call them infantry lasguns, sorry for that

[safe flower]

Fair

[brisk umbra]

Honestly, after all the patches i find myself preferring the Vraks at that point

[wanton dawn]

I might change suppression immunity to reach duck n dive instead

But that is a trade off

[brisk umbra]

the mk7 tends to hit a ton of breakpoints easily

[safe flower]

I tried without suppression, it feels like crap when you're reducing a gunline to ash before your team gets into melee with them.

[spark hamlet]

Is suppression immunity bugged

[safe flower]

It has so much wiggle.

[brisk umbra]

ye if you want to use a semi automatic you need that node or it's unplayable

[safe flower]

Agreed.

[brisk umbra]

since you can't really waste a bless for between the eye blessing

[safe flower]

Nah, they're all running HH and DA for me

The only weapon I have that doesn't is my laspistol, that one's running ghost and dumdum

[wanton dawn]

Duck n dive would reset deadshot and its sway reduction. Not immunity but still good. Hence tradeoff

[brisk umbra]

infernus or bust on laspistol

[safe flower]

Nah, I like ghost tbh

[swift ingot]

My precious

[safe flower]

Feels like a very low range vet

Not quite turning to the dark melee side

[frank ether]

melee vet is the only vet

[brisk umbra]

btw for semi automatic i would skip on Ogryn damage and something else to get Duck and Dive

it does give a lot of Deadshot uptime

[swift ingot]

This is the setup I’ve been running with Laspistol lately liking it a lot more than I thought I would

[delicate moat]

whew mutant waves are spicy

[brisk umbra]

kill the right side, get Rending and Tinkerer

[brisk sapphire]

wheres your onslaught

[brisk umbra]

i don't think onslaught it's worth on laspistol, you deal more than enough damage

[solid talon]

Wait krak sticks to monstrosities? And here I was trying to lay them at their feet cause they didn't have metal on them to stick to

The more you know 🌈

[dusk idol]

that they do

i think it says so in the description

[brisk umbra]

it is written on the krak node tho

[swift ingot]

This is what I was running before

[solid talon]

My brain is smoother than glass

[dusk idol]

i thought they just acted like sticky grenades so imagine my surprise the first time i threw one in the psykanium

and it auto tracked to the mauler with the gravitational force of a black fucking hole

[solid talon]

My first sighting of them was seeing one magnetize to a crusher, so my brain said "ah yes, magnet grenade for armor. Makes sense" and I never read the node

[swift ingot]

@brisk umbra

[solid talon]

Room temperature IQ sometimes

[swift ingot]

I’m autistic as fuck so my iq fluctuates

Depending on the topic being discussed

[solid talon]

I think I know things and then forget to check if I was right sometimes

[valid apex]

How many shots does lazpistol kill stuff? Mutie? Crusher? Rager? Scab rager?

[solid talon]

Theres a lot of variables in that I think

[snow pendant]

is there a reason to pick autoguns like headhunters over las rifle for vet ?

[brisk umbra]

ye saw sec work telephone xd

[swift ingot]

Better or worse?

[brisk umbra]

the infantry autoguns got nerfed a lot

[valid apex]

I’m just looking for an average or typical scenario.

I have a shit revolver and I 1-2 tap everything.

[brisk umbra]

the Vrak now does a better job

(at least the mk7)

[snow pendant]

i was thinking of headhunter autoguns with headshot focus build

[safe flower]

Much better Pen, mostly.

[snow pendant]

las rifle has better pen ? i know they have better ammo econ

[solid talon]

I'll leave the experts to it then. I'm not knowledgeable enough to give you the answer

[slow spade]

They also have full auto

Which is nice

[swift ingot]

It’s a little slow to kill muties, doesn’t do all that well against crushers but absolutely shits on everything else

[elder relic]

Vraks can really go hard on crushers

[swift ingot]

Couldn’t tell you the exact amount of shots to save my life tho

[slow spade]

At least 1

[snow pendant]

so not headhunters then

[south garnet]

I normally hit monstros with krak just fine by waiting to stun them or for animation transitions, but there was one time I missed all 3 right in a row at point blank range then all my plasma shots before sliding off the edge and dangling until I died. I have to imagine teammates watching were hearing the Benny hill theme

[slow spade]

Yeah I usually wait till the boss is in an attack animation

Then throw the rest when its staggered

[swift ingot]

If this doesn’t get added by the end of December I am going to do nothing and just be very sad

[south garnet]

Poop on the steps of city hall

[swift ingot]

Really hoping that we get a Tools of War 2.0 type update for the anniversary, but that’s just hopium

[elder relic]

I mean I like the vraks 3, most carapace things die in a few hs

[south spindle]

Given how stuffs lookin in customization mod i wouldnt be hugely surprised mate

[nimble sentinel]

give it friendly fire damage pls me and my hat need this

[south garnet]

You'll get nothing and be thankful

[swift ingot]

I’m curious as to how it would fit into the game’s current balance and what blessings It would have access to

[remote osprey]

Sounds just like another day in Imperium.

[south garnet]

It's lore accurate that the shops and advancement systems make you miserable

[shell ginkgo]

Pretend the revolver is a bolt pistol

[swift ingot]

No

[remote osprey]

At least loss doesn't make our character be demoted to janitor servitor, forcing to start a new one lvl1 reject.

[shell ginkgo]

Iron made mode for characters

[snow pendant]

i am thinking the headhunters where u 1 or 2 tap the head

i have a vraks MK7

[swift ingot]

I really want to like revolver but I’m way to used to the sustain of the Laspistol

[snow pendant]

i got this one

[brisk sapphire]

Yea but isnt it nice to kill shit in one shot

[elder relic]

How is it

[brisk umbra]

don't run opening salvo

[elder relic]

Oh guess I got it mixed up

[snow pendant]

1 or 2 taps gunners

[brisk umbra]

get the damamage on crit one

[elder relic]

Thought the one with less ammo is the vraks3

[snow pendant]

replace it with what , this is a semi auto that shoots 1 at a time

[elder relic]

Yeah that vraks kills carapace ezpz

[brisk umbra]

deadly accurate is much better

[elder relic]

I spent 150k and finally got one with 370 base rating

[snow pendant]

the perk on mine is shit tho this one is just a test run but idk if headhunters like these are better or i should just run las rifle cuz they have higher base dmg

[brisk umbra]

So, Opening Salvo is not always active, it's a buff you can look at the bottom left

[snow pendant]

and with vet las rifle have better ammo econ

[brisk umbra]

it's more often than not not active

[elder relic]

Las rifle works with shock trooper so that's always a plus

[brisk umbra]

The Vrak7 hits a lot of breakpoints that even the Mk12 lasgun don't

oh god, why does that vrak has 48% stopping power too

[iron marten]

wtf no shock troop gauntlet

[snow pendant]

told you is a shit one for test run

[snow pendant]

so in conclusion headhunters has a higher dmg ceiling than las rifles ?

[brisk umbra]

Yeah

[iron marten]

it refreshed and we have one, thank the emperor

[elder relic]

It just pens better

[brisk umbra]

Unless you like fast infantry guns (and at that point the laspistol is better imho), the Vraks headhunters are better imho

[elder relic]

But if you're not shooting at carapace all that much may as well go with a lasgun

[tight dragon]

stopping power adds to damage

[snow pendant]

i usually delegate carapace to my krak grenades

[tight dragon]

and scales higher on vraks

if it didn't change

[snow pendant]

reason i asked cuz i wanna know what niche vrak headhunters are

because i saw the base dmg on las rifle are higher than them

[brisk umbra]

the Vrak7 does what the MK12 did before it was nerfed

[elder relic]

It kills armor good I guess that's all I can say about it

[brisk umbra]

One taps pretty much anything with a HS

The Infantry lasgun has REALLY shit stopping power

[snow pendant]

guess i'll make one

[brisk umbra]

vs flak as example between the two

[snow pendant]

i think aside from las pistol anything las has shit stopping power even the helbores

[brisk umbra]

MK 12 54.40-67.55 vs vrak 129.70-105.20

[snow pendant]

stopping power is PEN ? not stagger ?

[tight dragon]

it's damage and stagger

[brisk umbra]

^

[elder relic]

Yeah helbores eat ammo up real fast

[brisk umbra]

The hellbore while great in theory, feels so shit to play in auric imho

it takes too long to get out and shoot with

[elder relic]

Oh yeah i tried it earlier and it was really meh

[brisk umbra]

and the absolute garbage tier sight doesn't help

But, if you somehow got a competent team and use a mod to change the sight it's not bad

[elder relic]

Does kill crushers in 2 hits with a full charge

[brisk umbra]

(we do have Kraks and PS6 tho)

[tight dragon]

man, wish mobility and reload speed were reversed

[elder relic]

What is collateral?

[snow pendant]

i just hate that u need to charge it especially when u want best dmg u need to pick MK3 that has the slowest charge speed even with the BiS blessing the first shot is still slow af

[tight dragon]

stagger and suppression

you can check the wiki for most weapon stats

[elder relic]

Thanks

[tight dragon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/boltgun/locke-mk-iib-spearhead-boltgun

[delicate moat]

i thought maelstrom is going to be that hard, it actually felt okay

[elder relic]

The game keeps giving me mk3s when I want a good mk2

[delicate moat]

seems to depend on teammates quite a bit

unfortunately my platseel stockpile is non-existent so i need to play more normal damnation

[snow pendant]

once is a mission with mutation it mostly depends what teammates you have

with a shit team u still get clapped in shock gauntlet on 3 difficulty

[elder relic]

Hopefully no psykers with autopistols

[tight dragon]

huh? isn't auric the same mat rate

[delicate moat]

well yeah, but u kinda have to push fast in maelstrom no?

as soon as i won a maelstrom mission, i queued up for normal QP and got landed into a clutch situation

i took care of everything and then a fking chaos spawn spawned

[gritty mirage]

maelstrom theres a flow for sure, dawdle too long and the game decides to send a patrol behind you, go too fast and suddenly you are facing the previous horde and a new patrol of specials

im getting a good feel of where the game has spawn checkpoints in each level aka in my brain the bone zone

best is when i get yeeted by a mutant into a new checkpoint and then you hear a beast of nurgle and screaming ragers

[iron marten]

the solution to that is simply clutch the game and flex your skills

[gritty mirage]

honestly at a certain point anything below hi int damnation for me is like a stroll in the park

the spawns are laughably small, any experienced player can handle it

[iron marten]

I already get bored at hi int damnation, I need that shock troop gauntlet modifier

[gritty mirage]

exactly

auric damn hi int shock

2300-2700 kills per match lol

[iron marten]

and the moment I say that I get into a hi int only game

plasteel farming it is

[gritty mirage]

3 difficulty shock is like...800-900 only

its such a snooze

[swift ingot]

My plasteel is looking good lately but I need more

[south spindle]

Not only that, they're super sqeeshy compared to higher settings

[south spindle]

Fuckin rich people, coming in here an flexing their cash smh

[gritty mirage]

yea enemies super squish, and your character basically doesnt die

[south spindle]

Truly terrible behaviour Jack

[swift ingot]

I’m dirt poor compared to some of the mfs on this discord

[south spindle]

It do be like that

[gritty mirage]

im literally just pressing the w key on malice difficulty, why slide and run when you can walk, its basically a mode where you chill lol

[south spindle]

I keep telling myself i'll save plasteel for a week an not roll anything, it never happens Thank fuck im not so poor with IRL resources

[elder relic]

Wb heresy

[gritty mirage]

heresy is still walking

[south spindle]

The one plusside to a T3 is that you can help friends level up with zero effort

[cloud current]

fixing resupply penance one day or NOT? :(

[gritty mirage]

im at that level where anything below hi int damnation is barely a reaction now

[swift ingot]

I’m stockpiling plasteel and luck for future rolls

[south spindle]

Auric Maelstrom all day 🙏

[delicate moat]

[south spindle]

Probably a good idea tbh given that we might see new gear soon

Might also start doing that

[delicate moat]

gimme some of them dockets

[elder relic]

they need to make the lower difficulties more interesting for sure

[south spindle]

Months worth of plasteel should be pretty juicy

[gritty mirage]

i think my most comfy level right now is auric damn hi int shock, auric maelstrom still finds ways to bone me over sometimes lol

lights out modifier is my bane

[south spindle]

It does everyone, but thats just how the mode is tbh. Its designed specifically to be able to fuck you over at the slightest error. Which tbh, makes it more fun overall

[gritty mirage]

yea its a thrill

[south spindle]

If there is no struggle, there isnt much reward

[elder relic]

I kinda like that since it forces ppl to stop running off by themselves

[gritty mirage]

it feels great when theres patrols on both sides of a narrow corridor, and you slash and beat and crush your way out

[inland orchid]

I had a great mix in auric that almost got one of our vets murdered, you ever see reapers and gunners using a DH as cover?

[gritty mirage]

crushers in my front, ragers in my back...perfect the enemy is where i want them

[south spindle]

Summat about the way DT goes about those situations is super addictive. Like the fighting against the odds thing always feels epic

[inland orchid]

Was at a choke too so we couldn’t just face tank gunfire

[gritty mirage]

RALLY TO ME

knock them down with voc and start blasting

[south spindle]

Yeah Its somewhat sketchy when that happens, just planted sat on the thing like "yeah try it bois, you'll wake it up"

[inland orchid]

Funny thing is the reason our vet almost died wasn’t cuz of the reapers or nothin

[gritty mirage]

sometimes its the poxers if you play dumb lol

[inland orchid]

Stray gunfire agroed the DH and we saved him from getting executed by DH

[gritty mirage]

ah

[south spindle]

Gets blasted off the map by a burster

[gritty mirage]

thatd do it too

[south spindle]

[inland orchid]

And ya now that u mention it we were getting flooded by bursters when tryna weeve gunners

[elder relic]

I walked into it running from a plague orgyn

[south spindle]

Well at least you saved him If someone aggros a DH in pugs im fuckin gone, leave em to their fate, put as much distance on it as possible

[forest maple]

Which combat axe variant is the best atm?

achlys or rashad?

[gritty mirage]

ive been yeeted by a mutant into the dh before, was interesting

[inland orchid]

He only lived long enough because he had devils claw parry, the FEAR in this man’s voice saying help me was priceless

[swift ingot]

I shat on 2 daemon heads on a high int lights out on hab dreyko, felt really good

[inland orchid]

Real fun auric sess

[south spindle]

LMAO, thats pretty epic

Bless him

[inland orchid]

Yea he’s a little new to DT compared to me so I love helping in missions

[south spindle]

The mutant into mutant into mutant into dog train is my favorite of those situations, become a human basket ball for a bit

[gritty mirage]

@south spindle you mean mutant into dog into burster into mutant

[south spindle]

Also yes

[south spindle]

Ah ye thats always fun, getting pals up to speed

[gritty mirage]

the only way i lived was i had voc on lol

[south spindle]

Still dont vibe with VoC, people keep telling me how good it is, but ehhh

Infiltrate my beloved

[gritty mirage]

nice

its preference

im more of a team support

i keep everyone fed with shields and i watch their 6 blasting everything near me and them

[inland orchid]

I like VoC but more power to ya, seen some clutch revives and giga damage from a few of y’all

[elder relic]

How do you play infiltrate, just flank?

[gritty mirage]

infiltrate has many options

it also increases pressure on your teammates temporarily though, so you need to read the flow

but you can also save them

and do more dmage in the meanwhile

[swift ingot]

I instantly clicked with VoC because I mained mercenary Kruber in vt2

[elder relic]

Yeah it's something you gotta get right or risk getting flamed by the team

[tight dragon]

i'm getting way better stuff on average than i though from rng melk tbf

[inland orchid]

Some use it for cool moar headshot damage other use it for flank stuff

Seems pretty fun to mess around with

[gritty mirage]

i was an infiltrate vet before so its fun

you can delete patrols pretty easily with the de-aggro for sure

[elder relic]

You also get massive bonus dmg for flanking shots right?

[gritty mirage]

yea

[umbral scaffold]

I feel like this was specifucally made for me tbh with me constantly whinning about disjointed colours for cosmetics

[inland orchid]

U can pair that with a raking fire blessing for even more damage

[elder relic]

I tried to get that, still no luck

[inland orchid]

I feel ya I found it on my preacher but not my vet

I could earn blessing to give it to both but it’s been solid on my preacher so far

Melts bulwarks pretty fast

to conserve plasteel I usually glance at sire pelk to see if any gun/melee there has a decent blessing I don’t got to snag

[elder relic]

That's a good idea indeed

[south spindle]

Flank, emergency res, emergency aggo diversion if you get pinned in corners, repositioning safely, bunch of different stuff you can do with it, super flexible

[umbral scaffold]

whats best perks and blessings for a catachan Devils claw sword for Veteren, "non melee build"

[elder relic]

Harder to use than voc for sure, not just a instant get out of jail card

[south spindle]

Rampage/Shred, Rampage/Savage, Rampage/Wrath. Perks Flak/Maniac

[gritty mirage]

naw its also a instant get out of jail card for infiltrate

[elder relic]

This game gives me anything but a good knife or devilclaw

[south spindle]

It is partially that. But its far from the only way to use it

[gritty mirage]

its just that like i said, all those deaggroed enemies start heading towards your teammates, so its your job to unalive them asap

[south spindle]

You can be super aggressive with it too and push bombers an shit with impunity, you just gotta fight your way back again

So basically it cuts out half the issue with pushing certain enemies because you can get to them safely

[gritty mirage]

that too

[umbral scaffold]

gotcha would also going full crit blessings work too? "shred and 80 percent cleave on crit hit"

[gritty mirage]

you can kill ahead enemies, then fight your way back to team

[elder relic]

Hunting snipers are probably best with stealth

And bombers

[south spindle]

You could do that, but honestly thats most a Zealot thing, they utilise that far better than Vet does

[gritty mirage]

honestly bombers arent even that scary, they can corner you but usually they are pretty loud and their health is so low

its only really scary if you got trapped by a horde

[umbral scaffold]

true i jus thave it on my vet its still fun and effective

[south spindle]

They typically can land their throws well outside of LoS so i prefer having an ability that lets me hunt the fucker down

[gritty mirage]

they have hax aim for sure

stares across the map as they chuck at me*

[south spindle]

Throw on em get em into the major leagues

[gritty mirage]

might as well play baseball right?

with his talents

[south spindle]

innit

[gritty mirage]

dude can throw 4-5 football fields and land squarely on my head

[inland orchid]

Speaking of specials that chuck, mutants are a coin flip a lot

[iron marten]

laspistol gun psyker truly is a blessing, I can actually do boss damage!

[grizzled pebble]

This bolter definitely do more damage.

[inland orchid]

Sometimes they’ll do u a favor and toss u in the direction of ur squad

The other times it’ll be a perfect yeet off the edge

[elder relic]

Love that

[gritty mirage]

yea sometimes im saved by mutants lol

[south spindle]

Its red, must have a faster RoF

[elder relic]

I tend to get the lucky throws most of the time

[gritty mirage]

i love those big bastards

[candid bridge]

Or right into fire!

[umbral scaffold]

DO NOT paint it purple, i did it with mine and i CANNOT find it

[gritty mirage]

and when they have you in their hands, im safe from the flamer who is busy roasting me lol

[inland orchid]

Yeep lol big coin flip

[south spindle]

If its a choice between a mutie or a trapper net, im taking the big lad's cuddle every time

[tight dragon]

you can get perma LOS'd on some maps from areas you can't get to by bombers

happened on repair a lot

[gritty mirage]

oh screw trappers,

i dodge the first trapper

into the second trappers net

fk trappers

[south spindle]

If they didnt overlap each other it would help a lot with those situations

[gritty mirage]

the best is when i saw 4 trappers

[south spindle]

Can only see one, but its actually two or three perfectly overlaid

[gritty mirage]

i got so mad, i was dodging a bomber fire already

[swift ingot]

Should color it yellow so it has more dakka

[gritty mirage]

oh you motherfu- netted*

[slow spade]

Yeah shock trooper gauntlet just feels bad due to the trapper spam

Especially when the audio bugs

I can live with 50 bombers or snipers

But trappers spawning behind you + audio bug just feels bad

[umbral scaffold]

always remember to paint your sight with blue so you have more luck on hitting those shots

[gritty mirage]

yea trappers can catch even the best, because you can only dodge so many times

and the nets dont care

[slow spade]

Also Smite spammers catching mutants

Can't hear shit when that happens

[gritty mirage]

crushers

[sharp ember]

i would shoot a sniper in the face and a second sniper would be there in the exact same pose

[gritty mirage]

silent bois

im always checking my 6 now even in large horde fights

[south spindle]

just gotta have your head on a swivel in those modes, you can mostly catch the nasties before they do you over

[iron marten]

nets grabbing you from 20m or through walls is fbm

[gritty mirage]

they like spawning crushers behind me always

[celest vine]

So consoles do have bullet magnetism

[celest vine]

Its an actual feature

[iron marten]

HAHA

[slow spade]

That would explain a lot

[south spindle]

That one is massively annoying. Should not be able to shoot through walls. Or indeed chainlink fences. Its a net for goodness sake

[gritty mirage]

consoles need a bit more help, its harder to turn on a dime.

[iron marten]

also, doing contracts with my psyker

think the game is telling me something

[gritty mirage]

[celest vine]

This ridiculous level is a real feature

[south spindle]

Console gaming be like

[iron marten]

the emperor simply guided their hand

[celest vine]

I think its a bit

Uh

Overtuned

[gritty mirage]

[south spindle]

Just a little bit

[elder relic]

Emperor guide thy aim

[gritty mirage]

just a bit of tzeetch tomfoolery

screwing with nurgle

[celest vine]

You can actually see the rifle jolt to the left very slightly

[south spindle]

Well im off to bully some heretics, o7 folks, i leave you with random tune https://youtu.be/c9YBXKNmE8w?si=qmsney4Gm-n6fMVW

[quaint valve]

What is the best catachan sword on vet again?

[iron marten]

I've seen a bunch go for dclaw4

[merry fossil]

How is Sustained Fire on IAG family?

[iron marten]

tried it once, I can only say I have respect for people that use it

though parrying crushers is pretty funny

[inland orchid]

Very much so

[candid bridge]

Mk4 or 1, like Ruben said vet chat seems to enjoy 4 the most

[quaint valve]

are the differences between the claw swords maninly attack pattern?

[candid bridge]

Yes

[slow spade]

MK7 for hordeclear then single target

[inland orchid]

Yea other than that they all got the parry thing

[slow spade]

MK4 for single target then hordeclear

Its kind of weird

[candid bridge]

Mk1 has good heavy add clear (which I like more than the others)

[slow spade]

MK1 has only hordeclear

[iron marten]

isn't mk1 heavy just sideways sweep

yeah

[slow spade]

Yeah

[iron marten]

we have mk3 power sword at home

[slow spade]

MK3 but can take a hit

[candid bridge]

With better dodge and general mobility

[slow spade]

MK4 is just overrated

Read the movesets and see which you like more

[swift ingot]

So it’s a matter of preference is what I’m gathering?

[candid bridge]

Yeah

[slow spade]

Yes

[swift ingot]

[slow spade]

Ignore anyone that says MK4 is better

Its just parroting

[quaint valve]

Moveset feel similiar, wonder why the mk4 heavy attack stat is so large, is that irrelevant?

[candid bridge]

Cause it has a strike down as a heavy

[slow spade]

Damage stat is based off the first attack which for MK4 is a single target

[quaint valve]

Makes sense now

[slow spade]

Just people reading but NOT understanding

[balmy flume]

New cosmetics woohoo

[candid bridge]

What are they?

[balmy flume]

Fashiontide true endgame 🤣

[balmy flume]

Check the news bulletin link

[iron marten]

this is exactly how dark souls 3 plays out as well

[balmy flume]

And Warframe.

[swift ingot]

Ogryn looking like

[iron marten]

people be naming themselves the fashion police as invaders

so they can judge your fit

[quaint valve]

yo this looks not bad? whats the cost though..

[candid bridge]

Is this the pc player rewards?

[slow spade]

Honestly that'd be a funny way to do invasions

[iron marten]

I think it's free

[slow spade]

Both xbox and pc

[iron marten]

provided you play before november 17, 2023

[swift ingot]

It’s free for pc players

[slow spade]

Basically fueling the flames more

[forest maple]

Am i coping or is the helmet for psyker and veteran the same?

[balmy flume]

All PC/Xbox players who were playing before Nov 17th gets this.

[forest maple]

Cross class gear?

[slow spade]

Would be cool

[iron marten]

I've only heard stories, one day I'll see someone invade named the fashion police

[quaint valve]

Whys it say exclusive for PC players at the bottom?

[candid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/booo-gif-25966356

[balmy flume]

Afaik only backpack is cross human sized classes. Going by the post.

[elder relic]

Psyker has some small differences

[iron marten]

guess I ain't getting free aquilas for the steel legion fit

[forest maple]

Ah thats too bad. Free cosmetics are free anyways

[swift ingot]

I think I’m looking quite dashing as of late, what do y’all think?

[iron marten]

guess I'll stick with my commissar set

[elder relic]

Pirate ahoy

[slow spade]

The problem is its just cosmetics while what people wanted was aquillas

[quaint valve]

True

[swift ingot]

Bout to plunder me some rashuns

[slow spade]

Also the cosmetics will almost certainly have the same clipping issues

[quaint valve]

But they are never going to just give a bunch of aquillas, so mind as well get something

[slow spade]

Except they did lol

[quiet wadi]

anyone know if the deadshot talent is supposed to not be working for plasma guns?

[slow spade]

With the Xbox release and pre-order

[quaint valve]

i mean to PC players

[slow spade]

It never has

[iron marten]

Feel like the vanguard cosmetics should be earnable considering it's a trailer look inspired cosmetic. Exclusive cosmetics for all classes: inspired by our first teaser trailer released in 2020

[slow spade]

Since release

[quiet wadi]

really?

[slow spade]

Yeah never once worked

[quiet wadi]

wonder why not

[slow spade]

Don't know

[quiet wadi]

i suppose its because half of it is about the sway of the weapon

[slow spade]

I mean it works with the braced autoguns though

Currently charged shots are ass compared to uncharged

[candid bridge]

Why does the zealot get the sniper look

[slow spade]

Giving crit from Deadeye would help make it not shit

The only reason to charge plasma is to increase wall pen sadly 😔

[quiet wadi]

also to look sick as fuck

[forest maple]

Should i run brutal momentum on tac axe?

[quiet wadi]

form over function is what i always say

[lean light]

Praying those gas masks aren't blue tinted and are just a boring black

[vestal sinew]

which is better? chainsword or devil claw (which one)? or shovel

[lean light]

Lasgun

[slow spade]

Devil claw

[vestal sinew]

i see, hit them with the flashlight

[slow spade]

Devil claw is the best universal melee covers every role except carapace removal

[quiet wadi]

brutal momentum on tac axe seems like it would be good

just a question of what your playstyle is

i feel like tac axe is best to just whip out when you're being harassed by dogs or whatever

[vestal sinew]

more for horde clearing

as i have plasma gun for elites/specials

[iron marten]

I used to play tac axe pre patch 13 on zealot, my poor fingers

[quiet wadi]

not great when you're playing infiltrate

[slow spade]

I like the combat knife better UwU

[quiet wadi]

troubling

[vestal sinew]

standard

[iron marten]

that's an interesting knife you have there!

[slow spade]

As the Omnissiah wills

[vestal sinew]

mk 1 or 4?

[slow spade]

MK1 for hordeclear, MK4 for single target, MK7 for mixed

[vestal sinew]

alritey thx

[slow spade]

Keep in mind, MK4 is overrated and does the same dmg as MK7

Its just MK7's first heavy attack is a cleave instead of a single target

[vestal sinew]

ah ok

[south spindle]

MKIV just has more utility because you can loop the overhead

[slow spade]

Classic Fatshark moment

[slow spade]

Funny I argue the opposite as you can loop the cleave attack on MK7

[viral nacelle]

Starting to get the hang of executioner stance vet with mg1 using ghost and headhunter. Damnation. I found a big change that helped me was using the nades as an escape button from gangbangs. Can’t take a hit for beans so you have like a second or two to throw and flee 😂. Only dip I found for durability that I could grab without losing the spirit of the build was close order drill. Chain sword for the melee because i rate the utility of the special for stopping stuff messing me up and for drag killing muties with the heavy

[south spindle]

I mean the horde clear parts of the moveset are the same, just backwards. 7 is H > L, 4 is L > H

Rinse an repeat

[lean light]

Masculine desire to look like this

[viral nacelle]

Gonna repeat tho that lasgun vet isn’t actually good 😂

[south spindle]

The IV is just better when you need to run up an kill a special

[candid bridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/408120447293456386/1169482340255412244/image.png?ex=655ecacd&is=654c55cd&hm=6693fde470b6504254eddf59a438fa81008213cfa683b1d63ed9890e3d3c8727&

Same vibes lol

[slow spade]

The Omnissiah's blessed tools

[viral nacelle]

That’s a damn good meme

[lean light]

The stabba

[candid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/stab-future-gif-12598389

[slow spade]

While the MK7 is better when you need to kill a horde

MK4 isn't better

Its just preference

[viral nacelle]

I wish executioner stance gave a free reload like gunlugger stance does

Overall gunlugger feels like veteran but better 😂

[iron marten]

I miss the free reload from pre patch 13

[slow spade]

Precision vs volume

[iron marten]

30 bullet bolter is something I'll miss dearly

[slow spade]

Different roles

Free reload was nice

Also the Vet cd is far faster

[vestal sinew]

for mk1 blessings we go for rampage + ?

[quaint valve]

What blessings for these?

[viral nacelle]

I do rate the precision of mg1 but gunlugger doesn’t die to a tickle pickle

[slow spade]

Here's my devil claw

[iron marten]

feel like general blessings to go for with dclaw is rampage + savage sweep or wrath

[viral nacelle]

Biggest issue I’ve been facing is can opening. Boss damage has been pleasantly good if I aim for the bad touch spots

[swift ingot]

I turned my crusher into a power axe

[vestal sinew]

[viral nacelle]

But the mg1 I’ve got just hasn’t been mass murdering carapace chunkers

[iron marten]

hey this is saveable

[slow spade]

Impact isn't actual damage iirc

Would replace

[vestal sinew]

yea thats gnna go for wrath/sweep

and then ill drop the weak spot dmg for something

maybe flak

[viral nacelle]

All that said… I actually kind of enjoy executioner vet. I like that the game is keeping me honest by beating the shit out of me when I fail to position well 😂

[quaint valve]

Which is easier to make better? Mk4 swap crit chance and Trauma, mk7 swap block efficiency and hammerblow?

[slow spade]

I use Helbore Executioner Vet

Very comfy

[willow badger]

What's your fave hellbore

[slow spade]

MK3

[viral nacelle]

I have yet to roll a hellbore that isn’t absolute dog 💩

[willow badger]

I got a 378 MK2

And a worse rolled mk3

[slow spade]

Got a near perfect Helbore

[viral nacelle]

Vet and zealot are so expensive to try stuff

[slow spade]

So I'm sticking with it lol

[vestal sinew]

waiting for a tier 4 onslaught

[willow badger]

Damn that perfect 380

[candid bridge]

Mk3 is good for killing the biggins, mk2 is good for clearing out shooters and other elites

[tight dragon]

sight on IAG does feel pretty nice ngl

[willow badger]

The mk3 doesn't do the actual bayonet stab right

[vestal sinew]

swipe

pretty sad

[willow badger]

Yr

Sadge

[candid bridge]

Does the overhead yop I think

[vestal sinew]

i cant RP bayonet charge anymore

[slow spade]

I'd go for the MK4

[vestal sinew]

[slow spade]

MK7 has too many bad picks

Thanks Hadron

[viral nacelle]

I hope they go thru and fix all the sights on the guns

[quaint valve]

Thanks, yeah thats what what im leaning. Wrath and rampage maybe with +maniac/flak instead of crit

[viral nacelle]

Drives me absolutely batty as someone who actually shoots

[slow spade]

Devil Claw does have good finesse stats so crit isn't bad if you're going melee vet

[iron marten]

think you should just throw out any gun knowledge out the window when it comes to anything warhammer related

[candid bridge]

Visual recoil needs to be tuned down imo

[viral nacelle]

😂 fair enough but like come on make the sights line up

[plush dragon]

This bro

[iron marten]

true

[slow spade]

Iron Sights solved

[plush dragon]

they buffed the fuck outta dodge strong swinging

[viral nacelle]

Fuck me im dying

[plush dragon]

like you can two shot mutants

[slow spade]

Heavy attack on weakspot

[iron marten]

visual recoil is fine for me tbh, though I'm saying this is a battlefield player

[viral nacelle]

I wish video game gun designers would spend a few days at the range learning how to shoot before they make guns

So they don’t do goofy shit like that

[plush dragon]

it used to be worse

[candid bridge]

I know

And it’s still bad lol