veteran-class

[lost elk]

THE ogre

[slow spade]

Thank god, that guy is always right and has the right opinion all the time

[swift ingot]

I was a bit iffy on the weapon swap talent but it lets me his two shot breakpoints on crushers and maulers with my ps

I am willing to admit when I am wrong but duck and dive is a massive qol improvement

[celest vine]

Pulse rifle knockoff

[mellow lantern]

which one aliens or starcraft

[celest vine]

Aliens

[sick pine]

I have this on my psyker but dont use it,

[wooden oar]

Why do so few people seem to use the MG12

[tall torrent]

Keeps deadshot active for big crits

[swift ingot]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

Needs ghost tho

[sick pine]

time to spend 400k on a revolver at brunts

[slow spade]

Because its basic

[swift ingot]

Also I swapped the one talent next to the nade regen one for the crit chance on dodge

[slow spade]

Reliable but there's more interesting weapons

[swift ingot]

Also never going to happen

Infernus for life

[wooden oar]

Basic but very strong in the right hands.

[tall torrent]

ghost makes this build even better

try it

[slow spade]

The problem is specialized stuff is more interesting like Helbore and Plasma

Or the autoguns for dakka

[tall torrent]

u get to keep duck & dive active without even pressing dodge

ghost does that for you so long as ur clicking headshots

and obv u do because u have a +30% weakpoint bonus from the talent tree

[swift ingot]

I’m too lazy to try for another Laspistol like this with ghost instead of infernus

I dodge dance a lot anyways so I’m still triggering duck and dive a lot

[tall torrent]

ghost + infernus is fine

[raven mason]

Makes me wonder if 100% attributes are possible

[tall torrent]

u get crits to activate infernus

[untold mulch]

As of now no

[slow spade]

Only for the Emperor

[untold mulch]

but it reeks that later

[tall torrent]

better not

[stone birch]

the fact we are given 5 character slots implies a 5th class sometime in the future

not surprised

[tall torrent]

that's just throwing everybody's godrolls into dumpster

[slow spade]

Omg tempestus scion class

[tall torrent]

prob ratlings

[swift ingot]

I have survived this long without ghost, I’m going to be just fine

[ruby totem]

I thought I saw someone say that they aren't doing a new class with a different PoV

[slow spade]

No you're not, I'm sending the trapper gang

[ruby totem]

Can't really fathom how they could make a ratling too distinct from a vet anyways

[slow spade]

Ratlings can smell loot

They get more resource but none are shared with teammates

[civic knot]

are shotguns any good for vet?

[robust mirage]

is this one good to start with?

[ruby fulcrum]

Lawbringer with scattershot + flechette is awesome

[slow spade]

They're not chainaxe so yes

[ruby fulcrum]

Lmao

[civic knot]

whats lawbringer?

[slow spade]

The default shotgun

[devout atlas]

the medium shotgun

[slow spade]

Its special is firing a fan spread of pellets

[civic knot]

is frechette a blessing?

[ruby fulcrum]

Yeah

[devout atlas]

yea

[true axle]

Seems fine enough? If you’re outa dockets might as well

[robust mirage]

its the one in the shop right now its not a random roll

was wondering if its worth to give that one a shot to upgrade or if the stats are a bit too low except for the dmg

[crystal shard]

Shop reset soon, time to FOMO purchase.

[civic knot]

is shovel any good?

[true axle]

It’s fairly consistent but maybe a roll a couple and see what happens

[celest vine]

Dogs and trappers will always miss

Cause they fly over their heads

[ruby totem]

You can't slide under trapper nets from what I recall, unfortunately

[celest vine]

Special class ability

No wait dogs miss, you can fight your way out of a net

[drifting cloud]

Hmm https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/175f3jx/when_ultra_instinct_kicks_in/

[wise mesa]

Worth grabbing from Milk Man? Never really played around with plasma gun

[tulip ruin]

stopping power could be higher but honestly that isn't terrible

[wraith lion]

Yo is that in the milkstore rn

[candid bridge]

Serviceable until you get a better one

[tulip ruin]

if you don't have another one i'd grab that

[ruby totem]

You might be able to iframe it if there is one but I see people slide into nets all the time.

[civic knot]

what does a godroll look like?

[sharp epoch]

yeah get on and grab it

[tulip ruin]

plasma ?

[wraith lion]

What's the price on this

I don't get any more milkbux for a week

[sharp epoch]

2k melkies

[ruby totem]

Yea stopping power is a pretty important stat on plas

[wraith lion]

Nice

What's stopping power even do on a weapon that regularly deals nearly 2k damage

[sharp epoch]

more damage

[wise mesa]

Gotcha

[swift ingot]

Can never have enough damage

[candid bridge]

70-80% in dmg and stopping power, <73% charge rate, then 70%+ ammo, thermal can be dump stat if charge rate isn’t. Actual godroll would be 80% in everything but 60% in charge rate.

[wraith lion]

Damnit maybe something that good will come along next week

Only have 2.1k milkbux

[sharp epoch]

sad

[civic knot]

i feel like i dont need to run executioner stance with plasma gun since its already so good

[tulip ruin]

it definitely doesn't need it

[candid bridge]

Not needed but you can if you wanna more reliably kill gunners, maniacs, etc if your stats aren’t great

I use PG with my commissar shout build with low damage roll and does fine

[wraith lion]

I know I should save milkbux for level 30 but there is a really tempting Kantrael MG1a

[sharp epoch]

does plasma one shot ragers even

with executioner

[candid bridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1169113624560816158/image.png

[ruby totem]

I don't think so

You might on a charged headshot

[sharp epoch]

if u cant hit the one shot breakpoint theres no point in using it

[wraith lion]

How do you get Magnacores with stocks

[ruby totem]

But I never charge unless I really have to

[candid bridge]

Charged headshot with a crit I think should

[wraith lion]

That looks amazing

[ruby totem]

Mod

[sharp epoch]

it one shots most specials and elites without exe

[candid bridge]

Weapon customization mod

[wraith lion]

pain

[civic knot]

is deadshot talent any good?

[candid bridge]

Are you Xbox?

[fallen geyser]

seems a pointless mod if you're the only one can see it

[wraith lion]

Nvidia GeForce Now

[candid bridge]

F

[swift ingot]

I made my crusher into a power axe

[wraith lion]

Can't afford a whole new computer lol

[ruby totem]

Who cares what anyone else sees imo lol

[fallen geyser]

Me! :p

[sharp epoch]

someones a show off

[fallen geyser]

I need validation dammit!

[wraith lion]

In a better world Fatshark would have already at least added variable appearances depending on stats a la borderlands

[ruby totem]

I can vibe with that if it's the outfits, but not the weapons. Its so hard to even really see what someone else's gun looks like

May as well just mod it

[tulip ruin]

wait how'd you get it to have different weapon parts ?? i wanna say i have the same mod but i can't do that

[swift ingot]

It’s the most recent version of the extended extended weapon customization

[ruby totem]

I think it's a plugin

[swift ingot]

Yeah

[frank ledge]

not really

[tulip ruin]

ohh

how does a plug in work

[swift ingot]

It’s how I was able to give my Ogryn a machete

[tight dragon]

if you can have a sight on autoguns that would be worth tho

[sharp epoch]

you can

[tulip ruin]

i like putting sights on bolters and revolvers with it

not needed but v much appreciated

[frank ledge]

torch for ogryn great too

[fallen geyser]

trufax

[ruby totem]

That'd fuck with my sense of reach. Couldn't do it, personally lol

[swift ingot]

I put the Kantrael lasgun sight on my Laspistol

[swift ingot]

Ogryn has long ass reach anyways

Besides it looks awesome

[upper bramble]

Ogryn reach is so long that a longer weapon would make it feel more natural

[candid bridge]

I wanna wield an ogryn knife as a two handed weapon for vet

[ruby totem]

Opposite of the veterans shovels in that mod

How they all turned into hand spades before the update

[swift ingot]

I’ve also used the mod to turn a tac axe into a one handed hammer and turn my Ogryn’s shovel into an axe

[frank ledge]

[swift ingot]

You can put hot rod flames on your ripper gun

[candid bridge]

[ruby totem]

I just wish FS would release their shit in a catalogue rather than a rotating store

Just glad I'm such a simp for the plasma I feel no need to buy skins for it

Or anything else lol

[willow badger]

Y'all ever roll with bolter

[ruby totem]

Rarely, but after patch 14 I'll touch it at least

[swift ingot]

Never used Bolter

[ruby totem]

It's a decent precision weapon and good for "oh shit" horde moments

[candid bridge]

People like to harp on it but destiny 2 does their store very well (besides pricing). Whenever new items are added they are there for the season then dip out of the store and then placed in the archive tab 2 seasons later. Shitty fomo tactics but you can still wait to buy stuff if you want rather than missing it completely

[swift ingot]

I’ve stuck with the Laspistol for the longest time

Out of commitment to a bit (and also because I love it)

Now if a bolt pistol ever gets added, I’d be all over that shit

[ruby totem]

I think a model got datamined for it

[swift ingot]

I know

[ruby totem]

Personally I'm all in on Plasma Pistol

[ruby totem]

Whaddya think? 8 shot mag? 7?

[swift ingot]

Bolt pistol mags range from 6-10 rounds

[ruby totem]

10 tops I think

[tight dragon]

is dumdum / deathspitter the bis for mk5 IAG?

[swift ingot]

I mean one of the arch heretics uses the crusher and we ended up getting that for the Zealot, who’s to say that we also couldn’t get a plasma pistol

[ruby totem]

Yes but the arch heretic one hands a full plasma gun

[swift ingot]

Yeah

[ruby totem]

At least looking at the model that's what it looks like

[swift ingot]

Because he’s built different

[ruby totem]

Big lad

Stinky lad

[swift ingot]

Built Nurgle Tough

[candid bridge]

Is it? I thought it was a plasma pistol

[swift ingot]

It is

[ruby totem]

If it is a pistol, it's not modeled like one

[swift ingot]

The only thing different about it is the coils are red instead of blue last time I checked

[ruby totem]

Bad guy coded

[edgy condor]

why do the heretics get better drip than we do?

[candid tundra]

just asking another question on the plasma gun, what's the best to run on it again? I know gets hot is good, but I was told volatile sucks. Is blaze away better?

[ruby totem]

Blaze away is regarded as pretty good

Gloryhunter is nice if you think you'll be doing a lot of venting but went down a perk tree that doesn't offer toughness regen naturally

Which is more niche, obviously

And idk why you really would do that but hey, I love subverting the meta

[raven carbon]

what perks are good on plasma gun?

[swift ingot]

Tbh if he is just one handing a normal plasma gun that just makes the arch heretics even more badass

[brisk umbra]

maniac and flak as usual

[ruby totem]

Arch heretics should have a chance to blow themselves up and insta kill themselves when using a plasma and firing too long

[raven carbon]

are you sure? I'd heard flak is kinda pointless on plasma gun

[candid tundra]

blaze away is good for spamming shots right?

[ruby totem]

Yep

[raven carbon]

there's a pinned post saying flak is bad on plasma anyway

[candid tundra]

right

[ruby totem]

Just try to keep your heat in the red if you want to make the most of it

[candid tundra]

so why do you think I was told that volatile isn't any good?

[brisk umbra]

I mean there really isn't anything useful (breakpoint wise i mean), like even without Unyielding/Carapace you tend to oneshot all of em with a charged shot

[swift ingot]

Like edging your peril on psyker?

[ruby totem]

What does it do again? I can't even remember lol

Yep!

I do it and I've maybe only self detonated 5 times in my 400 hours of using it

3 of which were all in one match lol

[candid tundra]

from what I know I think it is + charge speed when overheat is low

[ruby totem]

Charge speed doesn't really matter imo

[brisk umbra]

Volatile is bugged with enough charge speed

[swift ingot]

If only plasma didn’t feel so awkward on controller

[ruby totem]

Not worth sacrificing other things for it

[brisk umbra]

It makes your charges actually slower

[ruby totem]

Oh and so is that one perk on the left tree that causes you to take less toughness damage on ranged kills

It makes you take more lmao

[brisk umbra]

ye, confirmed kill

[ruby totem]

I still use it because deadshot doesn't work on plasma

Lolol

SO BUG FREE!

[tulip ruin]

really ??

[ruby totem]

Yes! Even venting does more damage when using that perk

I tested it last night

It's hilarious

[valid apex]

That is dumb if true

[brisk umbra]

they forgot to add the -

so it's just +30% damage taken

[tulip ruin]

i gotta see if i have it on cause that'd make so much sense on why i'm getting melted sometimes

[ruby totem]

Scroll up to like 7-8 pm EST in here from last night lol I have the screenshots

Or just search my name in here

[ruby fulcrum]

With the right rolls and tree you don't need flak for any break points. You can run elite damage for every flak breakpoint and still one shot crushers and reapers

[upper bramble]

How do you fight ragers with a powersword, I've noticed they are consistently my weakest enemy

[edgy condor]

Are you talking about Exhilarating Takedown? Is it actually making you take more damage instead of less?

[tight dragon]

rip

[candid bridge]

Mk6 push attacks

[tight dragon]

well not like i have anything better, guess i'll save the last mod for whenever i get a wrath 4

[upper bramble]

Just spacing and push attack heads? That seems ineffective for groups of ragey bois

[tight dragon]

or sweep

[swift ingot]

Wrath is better on chainsword

[edgy condor]

Guessing I just replace both perks with power cycler 4 and slaughterer 4, since hadron screwed up the blessings, and live with mostly useless extra crit damage?

[candid bridge]

If groups then power attacks while dodging backwards

[dusty ferry]

What blessings should one rock on columnus infantry autogun

[candid bridge]

Plus shout

[ruby totem]

I think? The one that regens 15% toughness and reduces toughness damage by 10% for 8 seconds? Yes. It makes you take more damage on hit while it's active

[upper bramble]

I need to get the spawn enemies mod so I can practice against ragers in the psykanium

[ruby totem]

The one before precision strikes

I'm not great with talent names

[zealous wyvern]

checking in for plasma blessings on a shout vet?

[candid tundra]

love helping a team only to be knocked off the edge by a burster

[zealous wyvern]

power sword as melee

[ruby totem]

At least it wasn't by a barrel you team shot

[dusty ferry]

hmm..

[edgy condor]

Is this worth rolling to transcendant? Not sure how important thermal resistance is, or if I miss any breakpoints by being 75% damage instead of 80%

[dusty ferry]

Damane is not going to make much difference

Well, between 75 and 80. But that is a good roll, just expect to kind of hit overheat a bit sooner

Do go for transcendant tho but first see what is your first blessing

[edgy condor]

out of plasteel for now but so far looks good to me. Wouldn't meta blessings be gets hot and volatile? Cause ive got a gets hot 4 i can slap on

[candid tundra]

similar question what yall think I should do with this

I'm not the biggest fan of gloryhunter

could try to roll one with better stats

[dusty ferry]

Volatile is great yeah, the other you could go for hot 4

That's what I rock at least

[dusty ferry]

I would not try my luck

I find it better to get a good blessing on rare then chance on transcendant

[misty yacht]

Is it worth it to grind for Brutal Momentum 4 on a power sword if I already have 3?

[brisk umbra]

trash it

You really want just the higest possible damage/stopping power

[ruby totem]

High charge rate lowering the damage too, right?

[dusty ferry]

It is not a lot of difference, even though BM4 would be nice. So keep BM3.

[brisk umbra]

As far as i know it's just a bug with like 76%+ charging speed and Volatile

that makes you charge actually slower

[ruby totem]

Ah

[candid tundra]

Aight thanks

[brisk umbra]

(don't fucking ask me how or why, but that's what i was told)

[ruby totem]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tame lichen]

I fear i'm starting to like psyker more

[ruby fulcrum]

It's less than actual speed and more the fact you somehow lose like 20 damage a shot

Which shouldn't matter but if you are juuuuust at a breakpoint....

[soft solstice]

Malk just gave me power cycler 4 so I guess I need to build a power sword now, what's the difference between both of them?

[tame lichen]

cycler 4 is better

simple

[dusk idol]

charge rate affects damage negatively if above or below 73%

[brisk umbra]

^ what he said

[dusk idol]

but if you have high charge rate approaching 80%, volatile will boost your damage

just another fatshark code moment

[stray storm]

Surgical is what you would want on Revolver right?

Plus Hand cannon

[dark flower]

run the mk6 it's less visually boring and you can dominate crushers with the push stab

[brisk umbra]

oh god raeding people talk about gun psyker tilts me

[brisk umbra]

Ye

[soft solstice]

ok but what's the actually difference?

[dark flower]

the moveset

[dusk idol]

what’s wrong with gun wiz?

[soft solstice]

i figured but like in whatway

[brisk umbra]

PS6 is the better one now

[soft solstice]

yes but how is it actually different bvesides being better

[brisk umbra]

They do nothing and just eat all the ammo, while they could be actually usefull? >_>

[dark flower]

buy a pair of greys and try them in the grinder
it's literally just the angle of attacks and the push

[stray storm]

I think I’ve struck gold

[edgy condor]

how do you do a push and then stab with mk 6 power sword? Mine just swings horizontally after a push

[dusk idol]

hold lmb after pushing

[tame lichen]

idk about that amigo

[dark flower]

hold lmb

[brisk umbra]

The PS6 well rolled can two shots crushers with push attack, and with Brutal Momentum you can spam charged light attack to decimate hordes per swing

[edgy condor]

wow i had no idea that was a thing, this is amazing

[stray storm]

All I have to is replace reload speed 🤷‍♂️

[soft solstice]

i built up my mk6 power sword, deciding between brutal and slaughter

[brisk umbra]

110% fucking buy it now

[dark flower]

use sunder instead of bromentum

for charged

[soft solstice]

alright, guess i'm going brutal for that sweet horde clear

[dark flower]

it has infinite cleave and doesn't stop on carapace armor

[brisk umbra]

It's so hard to roll a Revolver, you'll never change that

[ebon umbra]

the steath vet striked again and we lost

[soft solstice]

both at level are at level 3 so it's just a matter of what to replace with cycler

[brisk umbra]

Brutal+Cycler easy choice

[dark flower]

bromentum is only infinite cleave on weakspot kills

[dusk idol]

sounds more like the players are choosing to suck up ammo rather than playing to the builds strengths

[brisk umbra]

Brutal literally makes you mow down infinite enemies

[dark flower]

sunder is infinite cleave on all charged

[brisk umbra]

The problem with the vast majority of gun psykers i find, is that they literally just play a shit veteran

At that point, just play veteran -_-

[ruby totem]

Wait gun psykers do something else other than just use the auto pistol all game?

[dark flower]

this is also how sunder works for charged attacks

[soft solstice]

i got unarmored and elite damage for the perks, will probably swap out elite

[dusk jacinth]

what are our thoughts on gnomes as vet skins?

[brisk umbra]

Like, if you play Assail i really do not mind you runnin a gun for some special/boss damage

But if all you do is run around and pew pew, eh

[tame lichen]

I dont see the point of gun psyker when they have assail

[dark flower]

except it's permanent and not only weakspot kills

[brisk umbra]

keep elite

[old quail]

that isnt how it works anymore

[dusk idol]

some people just only take ammo and do nothing with it, no matter what they build tbh

[brisk umbra]

Honestly, check on Crushers in the psykarium

[soft solstice]

gun psyker is suppose to make a bit of sense with scryers but I keep seeing gun psykers not running that

[old quail]

it ignores hitmass for damage falloff and cleave values up to 4 targets

[brisk umbra]

It still should be a 3 shot anyway

[dark flower]

josho look at the code

[stone birch]

I do not understand why people try to bum rush Auric maelstrum. Yes, you cant hunker down for minutes at a time, but just rushing ahead draws in so many and strings out the team.

[old quail]

no ur just wrong lmao

[brisk umbra]

yes, but you really do not want to heavy attack with the ps6

[old quail]

because u can go in game and slice at head level with a horizontal strike and u kill 4 guys

[dark flower]

im on mobile if i have to explain how this entire thing works I'm going to fucking strangle you

[dark flower]

NO

ENERGIZED ATTACKS

[old quail]

'infinite cleave' isnt how it works anymore

[dark flower]

SPECIAL LIGHTS AND HEAVIES

[mental birch]

What's the best melee for Veterans to run?

[soft solstice]

special heavies feel like it'd be too slow to do, even with power cycler

[dark flower]

ok "ignore hit mass and carapace doesn't stop the attack"

[ruby totem]

Shovel

[brisk umbra]

in auric you really need to keep moving a bit, if you camp you tend to just get swarmed by specials and slowly die

[soft solstice]

shovel and devil claw are great choices for vet

[mental birch]

Running a shovel as that's the highest rating weapon I got

[dusk idol]

depends on how you play and what you use best

[old quail]

im talking about brutal momentum

[mental birch]

Ah okay

[old quail]

open ur eyes ancient pls

[dusk idol]

dclaw is a good safe choice

[dark flower]

josho

[old quail]

i believe in u

[soft solstice]

for the shovel just spam heavy attacks as fast as possible, they buffed how quickly you can chain them together

[dark flower]

bromentum does the same thing i just said but without the carapace part

[stone birch]

yes, but leaving the team behind and drawing in the next 3 rooms worth of specialists because one does not know what slow down means is just as bad, as it downs the team in specialists and they quickly die.

[old quail]

no it doesn't

it does something else

[dark flower]

if you'd read anything i was saying

omfg

[brisk umbra]

If you got Power Cycler 4, PS6, if you got only PC 3 i prefer the PS3

[dark flower]

you're actually rarted

[edgy condor]

People try to bum rush normal damnation. And normally miss at least half of the crafting mats in doing so. I get fussed at all the time in pubs for taking my time to look in every nook and cranny, cause I'm "adding minutes to the run." As if you get anything for speedrunning. Me taking an extra 30 seconds to grab all the plasteel you missed before we hop on the elevator isn't going to kill you little timmy

[old quail]

it no longer does the infinite cleave thing because it has a target cap but it also ignores damage falloff

[mental birch]

I mostly just do a stereotypical soldier kinda build. I run a scoped semi laser gun with a shovel

[brisk umbra]

I mean, again, there's always a case of pushing forward and just the solo loner going km away

[old quail]

you're framing things in a bad manner

u are misleading this guy

[brisk umbra]

At the same time, you shouldn't keep the team waiting checking every single corner for random stuff :p

[dusk idol]

i do it and will do it

i would sacrifice my first born for a smudge more plasteel

[ruby totem]

Just watch the power sword video on Indypride's channel where TintAngryCrab goes over it and you'll have everything you need to know. Easy.

[brisk umbra]

That's mostly for new players that can't survive alone

Like it honestly happen often that i push forward, get every material and then i have to wait 2 minutes for the other 2 people just re-checking where i went

[stone birch]

i've been saved all of twice so far by such people, and its never lead to a victory. almost every single successful auric maelstrum mission i've run has been 3-4 veterans who stay in coherency and move at a steady but solid pace. I know the rambos exist, but I do not count on encountering them and the wanna-bes just get me and everybody else killed =/

[dusk idol]

this is true, teamwork will always save you

[edgy condor]

just use the "found ya" mod like I do, extend crafting mat icon view distances to maximum, so that they pop up as soon as you get line of sight to where they're at. That way you actually know if a dark corner is worth heading over to or not.

[brisk umbra]

Honestly, i really can't say. Like i often had terrible people just rush forward, die and then quit

[brisk umbra]

That feels cheaty too >_>

[stray storm]

Holy fucking shit this revolver can 2 shot a Mauler with Hand Cannon

[brisk umbra]

Yep.

It can two shot crushers too

(with a crit)

Revolver is by far the stupidest gun atm

[ruby totem]

A Mauler? You mean rager?

[soft solstice]

I think the only time rushing in is a good idea is if you're running at a group of gunners with stripped down in order to block their shots and draw their fire, and even then, you'd need shout or infintrate as a panic button, not as a lead in for you getting in their face

[brisk umbra]

God knows why it was buffed in p14

[tame lichen]

shhhhh

[stone birch]

they should stick to normal heresy if they want the doomguy experience =/

oh yes, stub revolver is hilarious. Put surgical on it and its a crit machine of mayhem. Limited ammo and long reload time tho can be issues.

[ruby totem]

No wait

I'm dumb

[stray storm]

I am soo gonna use it for my stealth build

[ruby totem]

I'm thinking bruisers were called maulers lol

[stray storm]

There’s Dreg and Scab Ragers

[tame lichen]

I'm gald I made different class cause once revolver gets deleted vets will be boring again

[stray storm]

Are you just being a party pooper or something?

[stone birch]

I got a bolter magdump and a shiny helbore lasgun that do work at highest levels. SO i'm good lol

[brisk umbra]

What runegod is a great example, i often find myself "rushing" forward because there are a ton of gunners and the best way to stop them is just going forward, while my team stands back in 3 dealing with half a horde

[ruby totem]

Nah I thought you meant it was 2 shotting the bruisers and I was gonna be like "wow that's really shit"

[dusk idol]

a shotgun shell to the face normally stops gunners from shooting at me

[ruby totem]

I'm too tired lol

[dusk idol]

or doing anything else

[brisk umbra]

don't say the cursed word in front of me

[dusk idol]

[stray storm]

Wait what are referring to?? What are the bruisers?

[stone birch]

aye, and on my infiltration build ive done this; then return immediately to the group and help clear hordes lol.

[soft solstice]

gunners I think are by far some of the biggest things you have to prioritize and you since we don't have the 75% toughness resistance when volley fire is active, duck and dive stripped down for unlimited stamina as you get into the face of a group of gunners and spamming shout is kind of our best bet

[inland canopy]

staircases are my friend when fighting gunners

poke pistol out and pew pew

[dusk idol]

flak armoured club melee boys

[stray storm]

Yeehaw Chuckle fucks

[ruby totem]

The bruisers are those shitty guys that stand in front of the shooters in the grinder. The scab is all flak and no helm and the dreg is helm and no armor lol

[stray storm]

Aahhhh

[fathom grail]

Fence is my friend when watching trappers

[soft solstice]

you go in, shout/inflintrate, beat them down while they're on the ground, than run back to the team

[brisk umbra]

I don't think i've used Exe stance in like months

[soft solstice]

i'm mostly a shout gamer but I sometimes go back to my sharpshooter build and have fun

[stray storm]

I pair auto and plasma with Exe stance

Everything else is shout

[fallen geyser]

which of these is better?

[dusk idol]

vets that use exec stance are better gamers than me

[brisk umbra]

second one clearly

[dusk idol]

I can’t survive with it

[stray storm]

Profanee

[brisk umbra]

but again, good luck rolling them

[fallen geyser]

Tah

[untold mulch]

Thanks for the ego boost

[brisk umbra]

you need two specific blessing and good perks help

[stray storm]

Hope Hadron doesn’t

[dusk idol]

I miss my 75% damage reduction 😭

[soft solstice]

i'm used to using my ult reactively to situations, which is why I like vet shout, ogryn charge, and psyker shield/vent alot

[dark flower]

keywords.melee_infinite_cleave_on_headshot

this keyword makes brutal momentum weapons return math.huge on headshot kills.

otherwise hit mass is calculated local max_hit_mass = cleave_min + cleave_range * attack_percentage
this means that brutal momentum and sunder functionally ignore hit mass calculation, because they return an arbitrarily massive number
in the case of brutal momentum specifically, every weakspot kill will continue to penetrate infinitely. there is no target cap in code. do you genuinely not get thi

s?

[fallen geyser]

well its not looking good >.<

[stone birch]

I use executioner stance when I have like, 10 crushers to 1 shot with my helbore lasgun. otherwise I can just take my time and kill everything. Especially important to remember for the high health melee elites is that the team will at minimum chip off some of the health you need to kill them; often putting them in 1 shot kill territory.

[fallen geyser]

She's doen this to it and i've run out of plasteel

[brisk umbra]

#hellboreistrash

[stone birch]

teamwork makes the dream work, as they say.

[dark flower]

like, hitmass is taken out of the equation. you do full first target damage to everything hit as long as it's considered to be an "infinite cleave" attack

[brisk umbra]

i mean, the perks are at least passable

[dark flower]

sunder is infinite cleave on all energized attacks

[soft solstice]

based on how I think cleave works, your attack keeps cleaving through enemies until the hitmass subtracts from your cleave enough until it hits zero, so by ignore enemy hit mass, it pretty much has unlimited cleave if it hits a bunch of enemies in the head

[old quail]

the problem is ur looking at 1 segment of the code and not how this functions under any sort of real testing in the meat grinder

[stone birch]

I mean, helbore is not trash if you can aim and prioritize targets properly, its actually amazing as an infinite ammo crit machine.

[old quail]

which paints a much clearer picture in favor of my point

[dark flower]

I have literally tested it in the meat grinder before too

please use sunder right now in the grinder

[old quail]

if u go into the meat grinder and use a perfectly horizontal attack vs 4 bruisers, a brutal momentum psword will kill all 4, a sunder psword won't

i just did

the clip is uploading

[brisk umbra]

Doesn't sunder not increase what the actual damage is? while brutal does

[dark flower]

brutal increases weakspot damage by iirc up to 15%

[brisk umbra]

Like, Brutal is good because you do the full X damage to every target you kill while heatshot

[dark flower]

it's negligible

[soft solstice]

isn't that not really am atter of cleave though?

[brisk umbra]

So if the first one is 600, and HS, the second keeps being 600 and so son

[dark flower]

outside of that they function the same cleavewise

[old quail]

brutal momentum has a target cap of 4

[soft solstice]

more cleave means more trash killed in a single hit, which is what brutal is for

[dark flower]

no that's just how infinite cleave works period

[old quail]

specifically to prevent u just clearing a whole screen in one swing

[dusk idol]

man screw all this and give us 7 energised swings back

[serene bough]

no

give us power shovel

[brisk umbra]

all i want is 3 energized swings, and remove power cycler

[dark flower]

except bromentum is only weakspot kills and sunder is every energized swing

[brisk umbra]

is such fucking bullshit

[dusk idol]

power big friendly rock

[old quail]

https://streamable.com/7ple9w

[ruby totem]

Honestly id be fine if they removed it altogether just to stop the daily power sword argument since launch

[old quail]

as u can see with the sunder psword the other 3 bruisers are still standing

[ruby totem]

I don't use it anyways lol

[untold mulch]

Exec stance needs or DR or Toughness reduction

[hearty panther]

nah they just saw what happened to the other four and ducked

[old quail]

ill run another test

sunder psword into 20 bruisers

brutal momentum psword into 20 bruisers

lets see what happens

[dark flower]

i want to see the health readouts

too

[dusk idol]

it needs toughness dr for sure

[brisk umbra]

Honestly, the problem with exe stance i find is that there's so much shit in auric

that you rarely have the time to happly get your weapon out and shoot stuff

[dusk idol]

if your claim was that sunder provides infinite cleave and infinite cleave does full damage then that clip seems pretty fair in debunking

[dark flower]

also run it with ragers not bruisers

[dusk idol]

if that isn’t what you were saying then fair game I haven’t been paying attention

[old quail]

no im running it with bruisers to prove the point about brutal momentum

because if it didnt have a target cap

it would kill all 20

but ragers have more health than u can kill in one swing

im fully aware of what sunder does

[brisk umbra]

#giveps6thesameslowdownasps3

[dusk idol]

I always thought it only provided like 400% cleave

[dark flower]

nah it's infinite, same as bromentum. both keywords return math.huge

[dusk idol]

they really should just remove power cycler from the game and make it three swings

[brisk umbra]

^

I really do hate t4 only blessings (like the voidstrike one)

OR T2 ONLY BLESSINGS, FUCK YOU FLETCHETTE

[ruby totem]

Yea. If a blessing is so critical to a weapon it is literally trash tier without it, just include it in the weapon lmao

[hollow turtle]

"They should just remove power sword from Veteran. That'll solve everything."

[ruby totem]

Based

[dark flower]

everything that ignores hit mass applies a keyword specific to the type
i.e. on crit, on special, headshot, etc
the calculations return math.huge if those keywords are present, otherwise it runs the full cleave stat calc

god i was home rn so i could lay this out better

[dusk idol]

remove power sword, give veteran long shot las in return

🙏

[scenic bronze]

Damn ratlings wont give up the snipers

[hollow turtle]

I would GLADLY take that tradeoff.

[dark flower]

remove veteran, replace with two ratlings in a trench coat

[brisk umbra]

Only if i can have an ability were i can fuse with another two ratlings in another trenchoat

[tight dragon]

at least it matches i guess...

[tall torrent]

Hadron bricked it

[frank ether]

would be less of a brick on agripina

I mean you got maniac

and if you shoot in bursts those blessings are not horrible

[old quail]

@dark flower i cant get healthbars to work on creatures i manually spawn in the psykh. the main point of this experiment is to show that brutal momentum isn't giving infinite cleave on weakspot hit (because you can see the attacks stopping due to hitmass). https://streamable.com/pn882t

[slow spade]

as long as Vet has Devil Claw, they're fine

[old quail]

i can also show u what happens versus exactly 5 bruisers

and how the brutal momentum sword kills 4

and the sunder psword kills one

[frank ether]

I'd change unarmoured to flak and give it a try

[dark flower]

the alternative is that cleave damage is handled separately from hitmass now
which it seems to be.

cleave and cleave damage distribution are separate things

[slow spade]

its simply Fatshark personally going into your game and reducing your cleave

everyone else works fine

UwU

[dusk idol]

unarmoured to flak and salvo to dumdum

it’ll still fuck

[frank ether]

honestly I would keep the blessings and go deadshot meme

[dark flower]

that's why i want to see healthbars
and you can run the healthbars mod to enable them on spawns if they aren't working

[frank ether]

dumdum still better for it tho lol

[tight dragon]

can't meme, i actually don't have a good weapon lmao

[old quail]

the healthbars mod just refuses to work for me in this instance

[dark flower]

weird

[old quail]

but u can see the attacks stopping on the brutal momentum sword

because they dont finish the swing arc

[dark flower]

ok remind me tonight

[frank ether]

I think your columnus will work just fine

[dusty ferry]

How would mercy killer and flesh tearer be as a combo on the mk 3 combat blade

[dusk idol]

agree

[ruby totem]

I hope as Vets FS eventually gives us the Anti-Weezer gun

[frank ether]

my columnus has like speedloader/stripped down zero damage blessings on it and still melts faces

[dusk idol]

it’s better than mine and mine shreds

[soft solstice]

ok, power cycler makes power sword very usable, and super fun. I'm not getting the block cancel that consistently but I do see it making a big difference

[frank ether]

your columnus has two blessings that reward bursting so make a melee vet and then take deadshot (dont forget precision strikes), add a +3 stam curio and melt gunner faces with consecutive bursts

[dusk idol]

honestly you could hold the trigger and they’d still melt away probably just as fast

[soft solstice]

i loved griffion foot pistol in verm 2 but I stopped running it since I get so afraid of teammates stepping into my shots and getting themselves n uked

[frank ether]

I mean yeah if you have to dump mags its still gonna work fine

its just that your crits on those bursts will be very juicy

[old quail]

@dark flower im stupid

i enabled the wrong bruiser type

one sec

[dark flower]

oml

[dusk idol]

I have sustained fire and dumdum 3 on mine and man

that thing just carries me through

[frank ether]

Its great I love it on my infiltrate vet

[dusk idol]

never really hurting for ammo either because melee is a thing dont forget you have melee pls god

[frank ether]

I plan to actually make like a deadshot build

[soft solstice]

i don't think i've ever used a braced auto that wasn't a graia since that's theo nly one the game has ever given me with good stats, like across my vet and zealot

[frank ether]

but for deadshot meme I think agri probably better

[dusk idol]

the agri is v nice

I am an enjoyer

[frank ether]

agri braced is pretty nice with executioner

without that its kinda meh cause spread is large

well meh for vet anyways cause you have so many other insanely good options

[soft solstice]

the graia brace is nice but I feel like it's unwieldly enough to use that i'd rather a normal autogun for the same feel an d no need to brace

[dusk idol]

I use it fine for medium to close range targets on stealth bet

[dark flower]

@old quail remind me in like

[dusk idol]

stealth lets me gap close for big prio targets my team can’t get to

[dark flower]

6 hours

[south prairie]

I got a columnus iag and it is good

[old quail]

will do

[fallen geyser]

which gun is it that gets +backstab damage?

[dusk idol]

really struggle against snipers though, gotta slow way down and take my time

[dusk idol]

raking fire?

[fallen geyser]

thats the bunny

[dark flower]

and I'll dig through this a bit more to find where exactly that cutoff is happening

[dusk idol]

I think a few of them do

the autoguns and autopistol (?)

[spark hamlet]

is here where i can post a weapon off melk and everyone tells me it's trash

[soft solstice]

In most cases I just treat inflintrate as a damage buff more than anything, I pop it for the 30% damage and the bonus from the final commando skill to lay on burst damage

[frank ether]

like if you're running shout vet or infil vet I'd rather opt for an iag over braced which is funny cause you'd expect it to be otherwise

[old quail]

https://streamable.com/0pc984 https://streamable.com/j9tkmd anyways heres the test vs 5 bruisers with healthbars enabled after i resolved my idiocy

[dusk idol]

it’s hard for me to use it like that since I run the double charge

cooldown is so damn long

[frank ether]

I treat it as toughness reset and aggro drop

thats what its best at

[dusk idol]

same

[frank ether]

if what you need is damage volley fire does that with like permanent uptime potentially

[dark flower]

thanks that'll be handy

[soft solstice]

i think I'd like messing with the double charge but I don't have the points to spare for it and I'd rather get other things instead

[frank ether]

and volley fire reduces recoil&spread

so your guns are better-er

if that makes sense

[soft solstice]

i get that

[frank ether]

I think infiltrate uptime is too low to value the damage talents

[soft solstice]

I don't touch my inflintrate build that much, I mostly run my commando build with shout which I think works much better

[frank ether]

the 10 seconds of %30 close damage is tempting at the end with the +25 toughness

but again low uptime

[valid apex]

Man. I spent so much time trying to get a plasma and the revolver is so much better. Lol

[slow spade]

lol wat

[dusk idol]

shout provides more to the team and potentially to you, stealth is just fun for me

[dark flower]

i think there's a total cap on cleave damage period

[soft solstice]

the reduced cooldown on inflintrate was nice but I think it needs a bit more stuff base kit, like low profile for example, you need to spend a fair bit of points to really make it feel good

[fathom grail]

Stealth for the memes

[slow spade]

the cap is when the enemy about to hit you is left with 1 hp and not staggered UwU

[fathom grail]

Therefore it is better

[fallen geyser]

what does "brittleness" actualy do?

[slow spade]

but its meme potential got nerfed by not losing daemonohost aggro

[old quail]

in the context of brutal momentum it could be. there's some mechanism that means the first target damage only carries over to the first 4 guys u hit

[dusk idol]

applies rending to the target as a debuff that your team can benefit off

[dark flower]

rending but applied separately and to everyone

[soft solstice]

brittleness is rending but it benefits teammates too

[old quail]

idk how that functions in the code because i do not look at the lua i let other people do that

[fallen geyser]

tah 🙂

[random cobalt]

So is the meta rn Autoguns/Power swords?

[dusk idol]

mm meta right now is a bunch of things

[ruby totem]

What's a meta?

[dusk idol]

plasmagun vet with variable melee weapons, shout/krak/survivalist

[random cobalt]

what would you recommend

really have no direction rn

[dusk idol]

what do you like?

[ruby totem]

^

[willow badger]

Try em all out pick your fave

Especially at lower difficulties lots of stuff will work

And as long as you're having fun it's a good yime

[dusk idol]

you can use any weapon (not the chainaxe) right now and use them and can even do really well with them

[terse idol]

Honestly lots of stuff will work in high diff

Up to flat pre-auric

[random cobalt]

i like versitility

[winter acorn]

Which the best hellborne lazgun?

[ruby totem]

Still mad about the chain axe

[random cobalt]

3 i think

[ruby totem]

I've heard each one is the best.

[terse idol]

3 imo

Slowest rof

[winter acorn]

whats the difference?

[terse idol]

Highest damage

[ruby totem]

Honestly at this point I think it doesn't matter really

[terse idol]

3 has a slow rof but a charged shot can take out many things

[dusk idol]

try the devils claw 4 or 7 for your melee, and a columnus infantry autogun with the onslaught talent. Pick up shout and shredder or krak grenades and survivalist

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike (blessing) - rending
Rending strikes (talent) - rending
Ruthless backstab (blessing) - rending
Shattering impact (blessing) - brittleness
Exploit weakness (talent) - brittleness
Onslaught (talent) - brittleness

That’s what I understand

[dusk idol]

that will give you the tools to deal with almost any situation

[terse idol]

Devil claw is very good

Forgot which number but

The parry is essential

[kind scarab]

Mk4

[dusk idol]

four and seven perform identically to me, 1 is

well

kinda ass when I get my hands on it

[swift ingot]

I’ve been absolutely addicted to the crusher as of late

[kind scarab]

If you learn to parry correctly, you can effectively deal with bosses solo while your teammates cry in a corner

It won't be the quickest thing ever

But you'll be a badass doing it

[swift ingot]

Feels like a less clunky thunder hammer

[kind scarab]

Thunderhammer can oneshot bosses tho

[delicate moat]

I suck at thunder hammer

I always hit the wrong thing

[swift ingot]

Same

[terse idol]

Parrying bosses helps you tank which is pretty goooood
Also I like to imagine whenever there's an accident and you need to parry a daemon host that you're parrying with one arm behind your back

[delicate moat]

mfw full charge thunder hammer hits a poxwalker

[kind scarab]

I just channel my inner saltzpyre and bonk a mfer's asscheeks into next year

[halcyon zephyr]

that's what I call my

[kind scarab]

[dusk idol]

the duelling sword should’ve had a parry

[terse idol]

Nooo

Yes but nooo

[dusk idol]

its a duelling sword

😭

[terse idol]

It's function is already precision damage

[elder vessel]

Ogryn should have a parry

[serene sage]

I also suck my thunder hammer

[kind scarab]

Dueling sword should have had a parry yes, but everyone should have gotten it

[terse idol]

Vets should get a commisar sword

[serene sage]

At*

[swift ingot]

The world is not ready for that kind of power

[kind scarab]

DAMMIT

Damn server blocked my comment

[terse idol]

Ogrynns should be able to do wrestling moves

[kind scarab]

Instead, I shall use an emote

[dusk idol]

slapping a dh off a cliff is advanced enough

[kind scarab]

[terse idol]

😌

[kind scarab]

There we go

Much better

[serene sage]

I got bullied by a gun psyker

[devout atlas]

the (not the chainaxe) 😭

i mean its true but damn

[swift ingot]

Ogryn should be able to preform the fastball special when there’s a zealot on the team

[serene sage]

How could they do this much damage

It's not fair

[kind scarab]

Colum + Scryer

[serene sage]

It's outrageous

They were using the fking lapisol lol

[elder vessel]

NOT DA CHAIN AXE

[kind scarab]

That also works

[devout atlas]

best DPS on gaze im not kidding

[kind scarab]

Cause high fineese mod

[serene sage]

Whatever it's lame 😦

I was doing so good as melee vet too

[elder vessel]

Las Blicky

[kind scarab]

Look

[swift ingot]

Laspistol is amazing

[kind scarab]

You chose to go as melee vet

[shadow dagger]

is laspistol like

[kind scarab]

That's on you tbh

[shadow dagger]

good

it feels so... dinky

[elder vessel]

The Las Gat

[kind scarab]

When you damn well know, killing problems is best done at range

Since it takes less time

[serene sage]

I mean I was doing fine

[kind scarab]

Than just walking there

[serene sage]

In term of killing

200 more lesser enemies killed

[shadow dagger]

there's no positive feedback when you use it

[serene sage]

And bunch of elites/spec

[kind scarab]

Lesser enemies don't matter tho

I've never seen anyone lose to lesser enemies

Only the specials/elites/disablers/bosses

[shadow dagger]

no loud gun sound or crunch sound or satisfying enemy reaction to getting hit

[serene sage]

Hab Dreyko last section

With a clueless team

Or hourglass map

[shadow dagger]

it's just such a sad feeling gun that I can't even notice if it's good or not

[serene sage]

With the sand arena

[dusk idol]

me farming points with shield ogryn

[swift ingot]

It’s really goddamn good

[dusk idol]

look at all these attacks I blocked

[serene sage]

Or the heretic assassination with the train terminal section

[dusk idol]

i’m so good

(I’m not)

[halcyon zephyr]

I wish there were more investigation missions. I've only done hab dreyko like 30 times total, it's always been a slog

[kind scarab]

In all those examples, the issue is not the lesser enemies, but people sucking at multitasking

[serene sage]

I mean yeah

But that's most pugs

[kind scarab]

So like I said, lesser enemies don't matter

[delicate moat]

hab dreko really isnt bad, but it requires a bit of teamwork

[kind scarab]

They're genuinely just there so you can get more toughness back

Nothing else

[shadow dagger]

there's gotta be a better way to refer to map names lol I only remember like three

[serene sage]

I played a game in Maelstrom where I had to do 3 clutches

And we still lost

[delicate moat]

having people cover a dedicated scanner makes it so much easier

[serene sage]

Because the "shield" Ogryn gameplay consista of planting the shield down and do nothing

[delicate moat]

but in pubs

[serene sage]

Like literally

[delicate moat]

ppl run into 4 corners and die separately

[serene sage]

He didn't dodge busters

He didn't walk out of bomb

He just literally stands there and that's it

[delicate moat]

chadgryn

[swift ingot]

Yeah even though shield is actually pretty damn good now plant is still ass

[serene sage]

He was "tanking" he said

[dusk idol]

it’s harder than u think being big dumb a little tubby and slow okay 😭

[serene sage]

I said you kinda need to do damage fam

He said he tanked a lot of damage

Because his health is low

[halcyon zephyr]

Exhilarating Takedown bug is unfun 😦

[dusk idol]

bruh

[serene sage]

Which is technically true, I guess

[swift ingot]

Using shield at low levels promotes a lot of bad habits

[serene sage]

He did like 50k damage and we made it all the way through the last section.

[dusk idol]

honestly with ogryn you can just get away with some bad habits

[kind scarab]

Shield being able to be just plopped down indefinitely honestly shouldn't be a part of the game

[serene sage]

Dying 4 times. (Not downed, died)

Thanks for listening to my rant.

[dusk idol]

I constantly find myself in hordes not caring because I can just heavy melee for a quarter of my toughness back

[swift ingot]

Yeah you can afford to mess around a good bit on Ogryn

[serene sage]

Especially if you are not smart enough to realize it doesn't block busters and fire bomb

Like dude legit tanked everything

Walk up and shield and die

[frank ether]

I'm reading reddittide criticize a clip where I'm playing

[tight dragon]

do i go flak damage or save until i get wrath 4?

[frank ether]

Its a clip where its no ammo melee gauntlet and we're in a narrow tunnel full of ragers and crushers

[swift ingot]

I’d wait for wrath

[dusk idol]

rampage does give a bit of cleave on its own

[swift ingot]

If you have savage sweep banked run that until you get wrath

[dusk idol]

but more cleave ain’t a bad thing

[tight dragon]

only have one more upgrade so it's wrath or nothing i guess

that's the only decent melee i have

[spark hamlet]

.>

totally isn't using a profane shovel on auric damnation

[dusk idol]

shovel go bonk

shovel good

[fathom grail]

[tight dragon]

man i wish blessings were shared between weapons

[spark hamlet]

yeah

but alas

[tight dragon]

recycling chainswords is gonna ruin me

[spark hamlet]

keep grinding

also i was demonstrating the crafting to a friend so bought some mg 12's, upgraded them to transdendent

one of them rolled lvl 4 ghost

:o

[swift ingot]

The amount of times I’ve seen Dum Dum 4 on weapons but the Laspistol is enough to drive me insane

[pastel badge]

praise the Omnissiah

[delicate moat]

steals ur plasma gun

[torpid hedge]

Does anyone have a build for Helbore and Infiltrate?

[spark hamlet]

one day i'll move away from exec stance / mg 12
I just... like it too much

although i'm not certain if I just can't aim or need a better mg 12

[swift ingot]

I’m never moving away from VoC and Laspistol

[spark hamlet]

....tell me more

[swift ingot]

You wish to know?

[spark hamlet]

ogryns call zealots shouty

we'll show em shouty

and yes

go on

frags, not krak?

[tall anvil]

what is the best automatic weapon for vet, i dont want burst or semi or charge, i just want to press the trigger and laugh

[spark hamlet]

uhhhh i would imagine either a recon lasgun or one of the autoguns

[tall anvil]

yes, but which one is better

[torpid hedge]

prolly braced autogun imo

[spark hamlet]

you spelt it wrong

it's based autogun

;3 :P

[swift ingot]

This is the setup

[spice wadi]

IAGs or aggri brauto

[swift ingot]

And the Laspistol I run

[spark hamlet]

oh that's a nice pistol

flak dmg to deal with gunners?

[swift ingot]

Ye

[spark hamlet]

and maniacs for flamers i assume?

and i guess snipers have wafer-thin hp anyway

[swift ingot]

Maniac for most specials as well as ragers

[spark hamlet]

ngl i only recently jumped into the psykanium and was surprised at some of the armour types

[tight dragon]

welp, should be enough to carry auric 5, i'm just there to spam F anyway

[dusk idol]

columnus if you like to ads, agri braced if you only want to hipfire

[swift ingot]

The main draw of the Laspistol is its base 15% crit chance and it’s high finesse values

[spark hamlet]

what finesse do

[dusk idol]

though I’ve heard decent things about other brautos

[swift ingot]

Weakspot damage

[dusk idol]

weak spot and crit damage

iirc

[tight dragon]

is agri the better braced?

[spark hamlet]

ooo

[dusk idol]

it’s what I personally prefer

it’s thumpier and hits hard

[spark hamlet]

is there a good wiki somewhere

[dusk idol]

we the people are the wiki

[swift ingot]

The way you play with shout is that you basically want to spam it as soon as it comes off cooldown

[spark hamlet]

because for someone who (rather foolishly) pre-orded the game I have a very poor understanding of some of the mechanics

[swift ingot]

There is no bad time to use the shout

[spark hamlet]

such as i only recently discovered weakspot and crit are two diff things

[tight dragon]

MKII has better rof but idk how accurate the hipfire is with it

[dusk idol]

lmao, I think there have been some attempts to catalogue the information on Darktide

but it’s all so convoluted idk if it’s lead anywhere

[spark hamlet]

ah

[dusk idol]

if you have any questions though feel free to ask, people here will answer to the best of their knowledge

[swift ingot]

The main aspect of this setup is Deadshot

Which bumps your crit chance to 40%

When adsing, but requires stamina

[spark hamlet]

in auric 5's with exec stance, what's a veteran's target priority? something like

1. gunners
2. shotgunners
3. snipers?

[swift ingot]

Bombers, flamers

[tall torrent]

Prioritize specialists
Then ranged elites
Then melee elites

[swift ingot]

Bombers are always my top priority because they can be incredibly annoying

[spark hamlet]

specialists tend to be maniac armour?

[tall torrent]

Leaving 3 gunners up is fine but leaving 3 flamers alive can cause big problems

[dusk idol]

specials that disorient team cohesion, or snipers that just do chunks of damage.

then shooters, then your heavy melee guys

[swift ingot]

Exactly

[dusk idol]

yeah

though some are flak and unarmoured

[spark hamlet]

hmmm ok

[dusk idol]

majority are maniac

[spark hamlet]

what i would give for a concise quick reference of all the armour types

everything i find is not concise

[tall torrent]

Generally speaking you don’t want to take maniac unless your gun really sucks vs maniac

[swift ingot]

You’ll eventually remember off the top of your head

[dusk idol]

like how would you find out what armour types belong to what enemies?

[tall torrent]

Most maniac enemies aren’t that tanky

[spark hamlet]

psykanium

[south garnet]

go to psykanium, hit them

[tall torrent]

Shoot at them in psykhanium

[small wraith]

go into the meatgrinder and give enemies a smacko

it will say what flavor of armor they have

[dusk idol]

boys boys chill I was just clarifying his question hahah, but yes, psykanium

[spark hamlet]

oooooh

_<

[swift ingot]

Some enemies even have multiple types of armor

[tall torrent]

Specialist:
Scab bomber (flak)
Scab flamer (maniac)
Scab trapper (maniac)
Scab sniper (unarmored)
Dreg tox flamer (maniac)
Mutant (maniac)
Pox hound (infested)
Pox burster (not sure)

Elite:
Dreg gunner (unarmored + flak shoulder)
Scab gunner (flak)
Dreg rager (maniac)
Scab rager (flak)
Dreg shotgunner (unarmored + flak shoulder)
Scab shotgunner (flak)
Scab mauler (flak + carapace helmet)
Bulwark (unyielding body + carapace arms)
Crusher (carapace)
Reaper (unyielding + flak torso + carapace shoulder & lower arms)

[spark hamlet]

ngl i do feel cool staring down a mutant and killing it just as it is about to grab me

[spark hamlet]

many thanks

[swift ingot]

Shout can stagger muties out of their charge

[spark hamlet]

lol burster should be "doesn't matter because you'll go to shove it and your teammate will shoot it"

[small wraith]

dodging right before they hit is the best way to avoid them, and also feels the coolest

[dusk idol]

throw rock

feel good

I like

[small wraith]

ogryn-class is that way bub

screaming only here

[spark hamlet]

lolol

[spark hamlet]

i mean

facts

[delicate moat]

u can one shot a mutie with a head crit with devil claw right

[dusk idol]

never had it happen to me

[junior grail]

Maybe the mk 7

[ruby totem]

You headshot a charging mutant with a plas and it'll do the animation as if it hit a solid wall

[delicate moat]

i use mk7 so maybe it can? I don't quite remember

[dusk idol]

I would too, were I shot with the fury of the sun in my dome

[spark hamlet]

how long has the scavenger penance been bugged?

[dusk idol]

since patch 13 dropped p sure

[spark hamlet]

when was that?

only got back into the game recently

[dusk idol]

like two months ago or so?

recent

[spark hamlet]

hmf

[swift ingot]

October 4th I believe

[tall torrent]

Since October 04

[spark hamlet]

i did all the redacted penances

[dusk idol]

yeah one month

[spark hamlet]

now it's just that one taunting me

[swift ingot]

I was right lets goooooo!

[dusk idol]

I think you have to reset all your talents to get it to work

like just run full base stuff

[spark hamlet]

i heard that didn't work but i'll give it a go

run some low lvl missions

[dusk idol]

good luck, when it doesn’t work dont come and look for me

I was never here and never said anything

[spark hamlet]

you're fine

i clearly can't hit the broadside of a barn

see sniper
volley fire
miss, stagger sniper, volley fire ends before he's out of cover

[brisk umbra]

doesn't it need to crit for that?

[ruby totem]

Not from my experience

works anytime the hitmarker isn't white

Which means 100% of my headshots have done it

Could be confirmation bias, but I've been watching for it

[brisk umbra]

then my aim is shit perfect

[tall torrent]

I unironically want pre-traitor Moebian 6th armor as cosmetics for veteran in this game

[swift ingot]

Would be pretty cool

[tall torrent]

The scab gunner armor is so cool

[delicate moat]

i want sniper drip

[ruby totem]

I heard that we are getting it, we just have to wait another 17 store rotations. Shouldn't be that long... right?

[swift ingot]

The Moebian 6th is actually a really cool regiment and once you know their story you can’t help but feel bad for them

[dusk idol]

to be fair

their heads are bloody tiny

[ruby totem]

So fucking small holy shit

Headshots I feel are wayyyyyy easier to get on muties with melee than ranged

I wonder if it's bugged

[dusk idol]

it’s probably weak spot sweep prio

I can get a headshot on a mutie by slapping its butt with my tac axe

it doesn’t make sense

[spark hamlet]

what do the hit marker colours mean

[dusk idol]

white for body shot, orange for weak spot hit and red for kills

[ruby totem]

White - normal
Yellow - crit
Orange - weakspot

Blue - little to no penetration on armor

or friendly

[tall torrent]

There’re yellow hitmarkers???

[dusk idol]

I didn’t know we got yellow hit markers

[ruby totem]

Weird I do

[dusk idol]

wtf why have I been looking at my melee weapon for that shitty crit glow

[ruby totem]

Wait am I gaslighting myself

hold on

I just logged in

[swift ingot]

Or just listen for the sound it makes

[ruby totem]

I could've sworn

[dusk idol]

yeah it does make a little sound

[ruby totem]

Sound is the best indicator imo

[tight dragon]

Uh you get yellow numbers in meatgrinder but i don't remember seing yellow hitmarkers

actually never noticed if they actually exist

[tall torrent]

I only get 4 types of Hitmarkers

[edgy condor]

I've heard that high charge rate and volatile blessing can actually decrease your damage? Would that be the case for this weapon? I don't understand the specifics and maths of how it supposedly decreases your damage at all.

[tall torrent]

White - normal
Orange - weakpoint
Red - kill
Blue - friendly fire

[ruby totem]

Ok I'm braindead. My brain associates the yellow font of crits with the hitmarkers

I've literally never noticed lmao

[tall torrent]

There’s no special hitmarker from hitting carapace armor

[dusk idol]

imagine if all this time there were yellow hitmarkers and you just couldn’t see them because shit is perpetually burning

[ruby totem]

blue is just like, no damage or deflected, right?

[tall torrent]

Blue is friendly fire

When an orgyn stands in front of you and eats your whole mag

[dusk idol]

hi hello you called

[ruby totem]

No you get blue when you shoot bulwark shields

[tall torrent]

Blue sparks

Not blue Hitmarkers

[swift ingot]

Skill issue

[dusk idol]

you get blue hitmarkers too I’m pretty sure

[spark hamlet]

you get blue on both

[tall torrent]

Huh ok