veteran-class

[spare wolf]

Tbh

[gusty sonnet]

Even if they happened to be good, you wouldn't take them since they are on the opposite side of scavenger and you'd spread yourself too thin

[delicate estuary]

it is cause of shred

[languid dune]

How are the other blessings on the Plas anyway? I see a lot of volatile and gets hot as well

[delicate estuary]

double dips into it

[spare wolf]

Blaze away is good on plas

[delicate estuary]

I think the mandatory one is the charge time on low heat one

rest is up to preference

[spare wolf]

Glory hunter is good too if your build doesn't pick up confirmed kills

Volatile is

Garbage

Don't use it until it gets buffed

Oh and shattering impact on plas is useless too

[delicate estuary]

Also the other problem with smoke nades is that you have a useless node on that part of the tree called sprint cost @spare wolf

[spare wolf]

Yeah that too

Compare those to the middle ones

[delicate estuary]

depends on playstyle ofc

but still

[spare wolf]

Like +50% coherency range

[delicate estuary]

if I want to do exe stance it brings no value

[slow spade]

Shame the only target shattering helps with is bosses

[delicate moat]

who's disrespecting the smoke nades

[slow spade]

It sounds good on paper

[spare wolf]

Literally maximum +33% dmg reduction

[slow spade]

Fatshark lol

[spare wolf]

Smoke nades are 100% utility tool

And uses limited resource too as it's grenade

Shouldn't it do much more than... those?

[delicate estuary]

like I said smoke nade yourself with exe stance

[delicate moat]

i produce a 30 seconds fart every 60 seconds

[delicate estuary]

and take the perk that highlights all ranged enemies

then you go into middle of room

and start magdumping

[spare wolf]

I don't see much reason to do that other than a good meme play

[delicate estuary]

but its too many slots for nothing

[delicate estuary]

have to keep yourself entertained somehow

but ye I agree

[finite imp]

Remember when executioner reduced all incoming damage by 75 percent

Pepperidge farm remembers

[spare wolf]

[delicate estuary]

DO NOT remind me I repeat DO NOT remind me of release DT

I dont want release DT in my head anymore

[finite imp]

TRIGGERED

Literally

[delicate estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-insane-cat-help-my-cat-is-insane-help-my-cat-cat-gif-21688581

[gusty sonnet]

Well to be fair, with middle tree you can essentially do that without exe as long as you kill specials

[delicate moat]

[delicate estuary]

I think smoke nade bolter with exe stance might work

you got enough damage on that thing

[delicate moat]

the only design flaw smoke nades has is the fact that you can see through it if you stand inside

[delicate estuary]

and you need 10 years to pull it out

[delicate moat]

fatshark should make it opaque for everyone

then we're gaming

[finite imp]

That's not...that sounds like a good thing

[delicate moat]

my intention is to strategically block my teammate's vision so I can get kills

[finite imp]

It's like mobile cover

[gusty sonnet]

(he's memeing)

[finite imp]

My guilty conscience told me that's what he was doing but not to assume it

[delicate moat]

i dont understand what snipers use that they can see through smokes

thermal vision?

[finite imp]

Thermal will do it but idk it might just be bugged

[delicate moat]

they have reverse executioner's stance

[finite imp]

Smoke grenades should be a snipers hard counter

[delicate moat]

it could've been so much better

but alas it only obscures your vision to counter snipers

[delicate estuary]

yea but then the ventilation purge concept falls on its head

ventilation purge with snipers modifier

[finite imp]

Honestly there's so much we could be doing with smoke.

[delicate moat]

its concept has so much unrealized potential

[finite imp]

Healing smoke, strength smoke, cover smoke, poison smoke

Crack smoke

I guess that falls under strength

[delicate estuary]

stinky ogryn feet smoke

[finite imp]

That's posion

[delicate estuary]

no

thats a blessing from the emperor

[delicate moat]

does friendly fire only

[finite imp]

Healing feet gas

By the throne

[scenic bronze]

Should be invisible smoke for maximum confusion

[delicate estuary]

how do you think the emperor enters the warp

[gusty sonnet]

Healing nade and nade regen sounds a little dumb

Healthpack on demand

[gaunt hinge]

just let smoke put out bomber and flamer fires

[delicate moat]

set up smoke executes (like in cs) to take a room

[delicate estuary]

heretical CSGO player

[delicate moat]

let the throw distance be much further so we can find smoke lineups

[gaunt hinge]

smoke right now has like no uses except for abusing with exe stance lmao

[gusty sonnet]

Smokes are fine guys, you just need to know the lineups

[delicate estuary]

planning to do exactly that 😎

[delicate moat]

"smoking A ramp"

[delicate estuary]

"smoking hadron"

[gaunt hinge]

i get that snipers have fuckin fancy thermals or whatever

but fuck

imagin e throwing a smoke and the guy with an awp still sees you

[delicate estuary]

snipers just have aimbot

what

[peak plinth]

was onslaught all was brittle or did the change it ?

[raw birch]

ngl i got no clue what does smoke do i never seen anyone use it and i never used it

[slow spade]

OBSCURES enemy vision

So they'll mag dump where you last were

[delicate moat]

believe in smoke, become the smoke

[raw birch]

oh so they still shoot but where u last seen didnt know that ngl

[slow spade]

Also they'll still shoot if close enough

[delicate estuary]

wait

does smoke work for revives

[delicate moat]

they can still melee

[slow spade]

Concealment vs cover issue 😔

[gaunt hinge]

it prevents shooters, stalkers, gunners, reapers, flamers, netters and dogs from tracking you if theyre blocked by the smoke line of sight

[delicate moat]

but yes u can use for revives

[gusty sonnet]

they break LoS. thing is shooters/gunners still shoot last pos they saw when they lose LoS, so if you stand still on the smoke, they end up still shooting you

[delicate moat]

it helps against the ranged dudes interrupting ur revive by breaking ur toughness

[raw birch]

wouldnt just throwing frag at the range group just easier?

[slow spade]

Yes

[delicate moat]

they might be further away though

and spread out

you know when some smart teammate runs out in the open, 5 gunners pinning their body down from multiple directions

[gusty sonnet]

I mean frag will stagger them (and put them on the ground), but not kill them etiher, at least not on damn

[raw birch]

i mean by the time they are staggered u have enouhg time to revive tho

and they took dmg

[umbral scaffold]

is your pfp a dog? @slow spade

[slow spade]

No its the BB-61 Iowa from Kantai Collection

[finite imp]

that looks like a big boobie anime girl

guess what my pfp is

[umbral scaffold]

it's BB-61, should have known

[civic knot]

what would be a good support build for veteran? 🙂

[slow spade]

VoC + plasma gun

[finite imp]

i didnt mean to but VOC is actually great for support

instant heal button

[civic knot]

voc?

[finite imp]

voice of command

[slow spade]

Voice of Command

[civic knot]

v oice of command?

[finite imp]

middle tree

[civic knot]

ye

that one's great

[slow spade]

It got an insane buff

[umbral scaffold]

For Helbore mk1 is it best to take the usual Falter, Onslaught blessings. and Unyl + Weakspot perks

[civic knot]

well what else should i run? smokes?

[raw birch]

https://i.imgur.com/RjiSWrG.png this with voc is fine right?

[finite imp]

now im an actual angel of death in melee because of VoC

[umbral scaffold]

Cause I am still not seeing results with the Crit aim for jt it does too much damage already

[delicate moat]

VoC is just way too good

[finite imp]

Power sword + voc + ratio

[civic knot]

why power sword?

[finite imp]

because RULES OF NATURE

[slow spade]

Run Kraks or Shredder + Grenade tinkerer

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-raiden-metal-gear-ray-super-strength-gif-14889306

[slow spade]

Kraks to save ammo and time

[civic knot]

arent smokes pretty good tho?

[finite imp]

SPLIT THEM WIDE OPEN

[slow spade]

Shredder for revives and give bleed buffs for allies

[delicate moat]

u can run smokes if u really want to support

[slow spade]

Lol no

[finite imp]

Kraks are, excuse my pun, cracked against mini bosses

[civic knot]

JUST TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE MADE OOOOF

[slow spade]

Shredder is better for support as Ogryn and Zealots often get bleed synergy

[finite imp]

i do huge damage to chaos spawns etc with kraks

i save them for big boys

[slow spade]

Ogryn can get up to 60% damage resist with bleed

[umbral scaffold]

Their whole shtick is to just Insta kill a single target so you can spread your arsenal

[raw birch]

i kinda bring krak with my boy colmk5 cuz i cant for the life of me do dmg to crushers

[umbral scaffold]

it destroys crushers by activating the electrical field that rips atoms apart, and so i don't really see why you'd need to put that on a blade, a spoon would be much better since its much more nimble.

so like a power spoon

[slow spade]

Power sword comrade

[finite imp]

Col IAG goes BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

i love that gun with it's new ammo pool

DAKKA

[civic knot]

what about chainsword?

[slow spade]

Power sword does "reasonable" damage

[delicate moat]

chainsword good too

[raw birch]

wich one? i never touched powerswords i just been a big fan of cswords since the start

[finite imp]

chainsword is great, but the animation locks you in place

[umbral scaffold]

very good also

[finite imp]

and in damnation seconds matter

[umbral scaffold]

does a lot of things

[delicate moat]

both pswords are good

[civic knot]

ok well which power sword is best for what?

[finite imp]

oh btw don't listen to most of my advice unless you plan to play on damnation

damnation is a different ball game lol

[umbral scaffold]

What’s a good perk set up for Belbore Mk1 cause Crit isn’t worth it ftm as it alreayd does a lot of damage I do want Weakspot efffectivness though

i think chainsword does everything

[slow spade]

MK3 for hordeclear and aggression (charging doesn't slow you)

MK6 for single target and defensive (charging slows you but can block while charging)

[gusty sonnet]

What the fuck is this? It's cracked

[finite imp]

Chainsword is amazing for armor

[civic knot]

i can already play on damnation

[umbral scaffold]

chain my ogryn nuts

[languid dune]

Is Tinkerer needed for any breakpoints with Krak?

[slow spade]

See my above comment

[slow spade]

No but tinkerer gives stun immunity

[finite imp]

bro that block stab on an activated PS lol

i need to use that stab more

[slow spade]

So you can walk away from bomber nades

[gusty sonnet]

I wonder which sowrd is best for what 🤔

[raw birch]

so if im using my mk5 auto im guessing mk6 would be best right? since i cant deal with crushers with the gun

[slow spade]

And stuff like that

[untold mulch]

[slow spade]

Depends

[delicate moat]

they should just give inbuilt stun immunity

[languid dune]

In general or when holding nades?

[slow spade]

Funny farshark moment

[slow spade]

In general

[delicate moat]

some stuns are just really dumb

[umbral scaffold]

just kidna sad that this is actually the most useless weapon, since everyone always brings armor damage because everyone thinsk crushers are fun to kill

[tawdry hull]

krak can clear horde too, its okay for emergency, not as good as frag tho

[umbral scaffold]

it sucks, more crushers

[finite imp]

i just wish they'd nerf fire >:C

[slow spade]

Bro what

The top killer in games was maulers

[civic knot]

What tree paths are best for playing support veteran?

[finite imp]

Fire shouldn't insta break toughness gdi

[civic knot]

i know both kraks and shredders are good but what about the auras and bottom trees?

[umbral scaffold]

in lower diff games maybe, in auric its usually specials or trash shooters

[tawdry hull]

middle

[untold mulch]

Maulers and Ragers appearing out of thin air wreck me in half

[tawdry hull]

with ammo regen

[finite imp]

was it not you who just asked this or am i crazy

[gusty sonnet]

Not my mexperience. No one in my pubs bring armor pens and the team fold to a pack of crusher if I don't intervene

[finite imp]

YOU DID

IM NOT CRAZY

[civic knot]

dude i meant which aura as well

[umbral scaffold]

yeah its the equivelant of the random putting a flask over your head in a bar you cant see them always coming

[finite imp]

YOU MADE ME THINK I WAS NUTS

[civic knot]

I didnt ask about the same thing, I asked about auras and bottom tree

[delicate moat]

peak support veteran: uses smoke, doesn't do anything well

[finite imp]

auras are meh

[umbral scaffold]

you made me think about nuts

[finite imp]

i sue scav

[languid dune]

Which MK is that? 6?

[finite imp]

scavenger aura

most vets are gonna tell you scav

[civic knot]

why not run scav aura? @finite imp

[untold mulch]

JUST AS FATSHARK INTENDED

[finite imp]

??? i do too wtf you mean

[slow spade]

He charged while blocking

[finite imp]

i agree with most vets

[civic knot]

sue?

[slow spade]

So 100% MK6

[finite imp]

use*

sorry

[civic knot]

lol

xD

[finite imp]

9/10 vets agree

colgate total is good for you

[umbral scaffold]

should have been black ops 3 perk system 😎

[delicate moat]

the other vet is kicked

[slow spade]

Idk why they put the ammo aura in left

[umbral scaffold]

should just have been the treayarch perk system all along

[civic knot]

is smoke even worth it?

[finite imp]

a peanut would be fucking GOOD right now

[slow spade]

Its such a pain to get

[finite imp]

MMM

nuts

[delicate moat]

it's fun, but the other two nades are just in a better place rn

[finite imp]

we talking about weed smoke or still video game

[civic knot]

gotcha

[slow spade]

Just read the nade and think of any situation where literally any other nade ewouldn't solve or prevent in the first place

[civic knot]

weed smoke xD

[finite imp]

not worth it

dont become a STONER LOSER

[civic knot]

i kno

[finite imp]

BURNOUT JUINKIE!!!

jk

my wife smokes

[gusty sonnet]

This what you want as a baseline for like 80% of your builds. Rest is up to taste and preference

[finite imp]

i dont tho

[civic knot]

thanks!

[finite imp]

anytime i smoke it makes my brain feel like it's a big ball of screaming tin foil and i end up crying in the fetal position in my bed

to be fair the last time i smoked someone put kief in it

so that was uh

my tolerance is no good

[delicate moat]

demolition team is pretty good choice too

[finite imp]

i need weed cigarettes for kids so i can watch sesame street when i blaze

[slow spade]

Its funny that the only times this might change are plasma or revolver builds

[slow spade]

Nope, it got heavily nerfed

Doesn't affect allies anymore

[delicate moat]

it's good for myself still

[finite imp]

that only uses 18 points tho

[tawdry hull]

smoke nades are fun when u accidently throw them on enemies cus u got used to it xd

[finite imp]

oh nvm

baseline

[finite imp]

if only they were sticky

then you could troll the whole room with a chaos spawn

[delicate moat]

lol

[tawdry hull]

was there a patch today?

[untold mulch]

Fatshark: Tactical Flexibility tree or smth

Also Fatshark:

[finite imp]

there's tentacles beating your face in and there's nothing you can do about it

[finite imp]

i dont think so lemme look

uhh narp

[tawdry hull]

isnt the middle tree keystone affecting allies?

[finite imp]

last hotfix was the one that quotes the jackson 5

easy as 1.2.3.!

ABC

DOH REH ME

BABY YOU AND ME GIRL

im honestly hype for what they tweak with the vet tree cuz it's considerably shittier than the other trees

and still good imo

[scenic bronze]

nerfs

[finite imp]

ITS ALREADY NERFED TF YOU MEAN

[civic knot]

is the bottom skill worth going for with support veteran?

[finite imp]

they're gonna nerf a gimped tree??

tf

[finite imp]

i dont

like i said the tree is flawed

[slow spade]

No

[civic knot]

its just 5 seconds.. true

[slow spade]

Way too expensive for little value

[finite imp]

lemme take a look at my tree RQ so yall can brutalize me

[slow spade]

Also it does not refresh with executioner's stance

So its just bad

[tawdry hull]

just read all the skills and take those what says "you and your allies in coherency"

[slow spade]

Covering fire + plasma has value too

[umbral scaffold]

Whats the aura to use if you dont wanna get kicked in anything above malice? i decided to read reddit once.. lmao

[finite imp]

naw fuck them pubbies

[civic knot]

not sure about the born leader perk tho

[finite imp]

get yours

[slow spade]

As you can cover multiple allies in 1 shot

[civic knot]

allies replenish 15% of any toughness you replenish

eh

[finite imp]

watch them add a skill to buff plasteel pickups I will be so fucking angry

[civic knot]

15 is not much

[slow spade]

Vet has 3 auras: 2 shit ones and the single strongest aura in the game

[tawdry hull]

you can either prevent trouble with middle ulti or be a "medic" with stealth

[umbral scaffold]

So which is which

[finite imp]

when you activate a psword and chop through a bunch of walkers it's alot

[civic knot]

is suppression any good?

[finite imp]

idk why but today feels like a christmas kinda morning

[slow spade]

Considering survivalist is literally the only source of ammo regen in the game. Its that one

[finite imp]

recieving it no, giving it yes

[civic knot]

not exactly sure what it does

[tawdry hull]

taking or giving?

[finite imp]

okay so you know when you're aiming

[tawdry hull]

oops

[finite imp]

and you get shot

[inland orchid]

Shoot near enemy they shit pant

[finite imp]

and your aimer jumps all over

[civic knot]

stagger?

[inland orchid]

Near not at

[tawdry hull]

taking or giving?

[civic knot]

giving

[finite imp]

it makes gunners STFU for 10 seconds

[civic knot]

10 seconds really??

[tawdry hull]

supression when enemies duck and look frightened

[finite imp]

no im probably exxagerating

[tawdry hull]

but its in the character tutorial

[finite imp]

but an enemy whose suppress aint doing shit

[tawdry hull]

you scare them basically

[finite imp]

also PSA when duicking behind short cover your RIFLE WILL PEEK OVER THE EDGE IF YOU AIM

USE THIS

[tawdry hull]

oh yes

[finite imp]

NOBODY USES COVER

BUT ITS AMAZING

YOU BECOME INVINCIBLE

[tawdry hull]

also finally your rifles

[delicate moat]

FPS players love the L-shaped covers

[tawdry hull]

dont stick into walls

there is animation for standing next walls

[finite imp]

another cool trick, if you have a bunch of enemies in a room, abuse cover angles so you only have to shoot at one at a time

slowly work your way through the angle until all are dead

then you wont get FUCKED

[tawdry hull]

but thats like basic stuff

[finite imp]

YOU SAY THAT

YOU SAY THAT

[delicate moat]

not obvious for pub teammates

[tawdry hull]

yeaxd

[finite imp]

BUT APPARENTLY ITS ROCKET SCIENCE

[delicate moat]

which is where smoke rescues might be needed...

[sharp ember]

you mean hold W and run into the open to shoot them? you got it boss

I'M DOWN

[finite imp]

THATS RIGHT GET IN THERE FIDO

aaaaand he's gone

[sharp ember]

useless team

[delicate moat]

lvl 1 [BOT] comes to the rescue

[sharp ember]

has left

[finite imp]

okay hear me out

let em cook

[serene sage]

that's kinda what I run for my bolter

like 90% similar

[finite imp]

i use revolver or CIAG

quick maffs

[serene sage]

yeah revolver kinda overlaps a lot of bolter can do

plasma too

[finite imp]

but were cooler B)

big iron on my hip

[sharp ember]

no grenade regen

[finite imp]

THERES PLENTY OF FAWKIN GRENADES

[serene sage]

not if you run krak

[sharp ember]

MORE

[delicate moat]

[serene sage]

you have 2 lel

[sharp ember]

MORE

[finite imp]

WHATEVER

what should i drop to boost nades

i guess i could drop that 5% reload

[delicate moat]

the medipack thing

[sturdy crow]

The medipack thing isn't great

[delicate moat]

it's throwing if the team has a grim or two

[sharp ember]

i'd take that over 5% reload tho

[finite imp]

TWEAKING TIME

LOVE YOU GUYS

okay wait we saying drop the reload or the medpack

[sturdy crow]

What weapon are you running with that build?

[finite imp]

revolver or CIAG usually

[sharp ember]

we're arguing

[finite imp]

aw dammit

alright puttem up

[civic knot]

Now in terms of guns for support vet, would something that is good against medium level targets be good?

[delicate moat]

agri mk1 IAG is very solid

[sharp ember]

you probably want an autogun of some kind

[finite imp]

on a revolver 5% reload slaps

[sturdy crow]

This is what I'm running atm, however I'm using plasma gun so the 25% ammo feels very necessary

[serene sage]

define medium targets, you need to be able to kill everything still imo

[civic knot]

uh idk everything above hordes then?

[slow spade]

It'd swap the stamina delay node near the bottom for toughness

As plasma gun does NOT proc Deadeye

[serene sage]

my Bolter/Revolver build

[sturdy crow]

Wait, Deadshot doesn't work with plasma??

[slow spade]

Nope

[sturdy crow]

God damn it

[slow spade]

But that lane gets +5% damage boost

[serene sage]

it does if you beleive hard enough

[slow spade]

So I take it anyways

As the other side is "toughness regen" which Vet has plenty of

[karmic musk]

I played with Deadshot for awhile

Then I realised I was perma 0 stamina

[trail topaz]

homies are there any talents i should look out for if i want to use the chainaxe

[finite imp]

alright i dropped medpack for demo stockpile

[slow spade]

Deadshot is better now with the stamina delay buff

[finite imp]

PEER PRESSURE

[sturdy crow]

Stamina delay is nice for handling hordes in melee

[delicate moat]

i am now subscribed to the +9 stamina curio church

[serene sage]

may I suggest complete stun immunity?

[sharp ember]

probably trench fighter drill so the slow speed doesn't kill you

[slow spade]

Indeed, but 10% toughness damage resist is also pretty good

[finite imp]

i wanna see your curios

[sharp ember]

aka melee vet

[slow spade]

It was just my opinion so don't worry if it works with you

[delicate moat]

one sec

[trail topaz]

im trying to just do a general support thing with chainaxe and mk4 las gun

[karmic musk]

So does anyone actually use skill trees that dont go down the middle for Vet?

[sharp ember]

otherwise no not really anything that would help using chainaxe

[celest vine]

Partially

I mean middle just has such good perks

[frank ether]

thats fine

[karmic musk]

Yeah I can't let go of the 60s grenade and the middle toughness nodes on any builds lmao

which means my hellbore build doesnt have the weakspot ult on the left

[celest vine]

I mean with the right melee you dont need krak

[sharp ember]

maybe they shouldn't have put vet's 2 strongest survivability perks next to eachother there

[celest vine]

And veteran is supposed to be good with guns

[trail topaz]

does this seem unhinged for chainaxe enjoyment

took tinkerer for monsters but idk if its worthwhile

[karmic musk]

shock trooper wut

[hearty panther]

Does that 15% elites get you a BP?

[trail topaz]

las gun

mk4

[celest vine]

Its meant to be unhinged

[quasi tulip]

i just wanted 1 win last night 🥹

[trail topaz]

honestly im an ogryn main and i just got vet to 30 so im trying stuff

[delicate moat]

my beloved +3 stam curios

[hearty panther]

I would always rather take the 25% vs oggies and monstros than grenade tinkerer with kraks

[celest vine]

Veteran is supposed to be really good with ranged

[serene sage]

+3 stam is a thing?

bruh

[delicate moat]

yes

[celest vine]

So I make my rifle do the best it can

[karmic musk]

3 Stam is pretty rare

[celest vine]

And then have a few hoard clearing thing

[delicate moat]

you can even have 3 +3 stams

[celest vine]

But still no +2 wound

[trail topaz]

sensible i suppose

[fleet drift]

Damn Plasma Gun is so much fun to use

[celest vine]

🗿

[slow spade]

Tinkerer also gives stun immunity so it does help with survival as well

Bruh discord pls

[karmic musk]

Isnt Tinkerer the grenade talent

[celest vine]

It does?

[hearty panther]

Yea I don't use that since it's a bug and all

[celest vine]

2$/5

What

[slow spade]

Yeah lol

[trail topaz]

wym stun immunity

like while tossing or

[hearty panther]

Yeah Thy Grenades Be Swift we call it

[slow spade]

Someone datamined it and saw it gives a stun immunity tag

Its weird but it DOES work

[finite imp]

Homie so dehydrated his PISS STANKY

[slow spade]

Like passively

[hearty panther]

Try not to get too used to it

[slow spade]

You just can't be stunned

Bomber nades? Just walk out of them

Block broken? Na just dodge back

[halcyon zephyr]

very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's curios

[trail topaz]

based and poisepilled

[untold mulch]

Excuse me wtf

[karmic musk]

Is this High Gothic

[slow spade]

Lol

[untold mulch]

EXCUSE ME WTF

[delicate moat]

"I'm not feeling so well..."

[slow spade]

Yeah its pretty fucking good

[finite imp]

I warned you bro. I told you about the lasgun bro

[trail topaz]

so aa uhh is shock trooper bad with las rifles or why did it raise questionmarks

[slow spade]

And Tinkerer isn't a "bad" talent too

[delicate moat]

I love tinkerer

[trail topaz]

how it feels to chew 5gum

[delicate moat]

+15 seconds smoke duration is OP

[untold mulch]

Shocktrooper for crit builds is amazing for everything that isn't the Recon

[karmic musk]

Premium quality

[untold mulch]

Recon were murdered

[slow spade]

Recon is shit with shock trooper

[trail topaz]

im not using recon tho

[halcyon zephyr]

when they first opened the dockets cosmetic store, shit was hilarious.

[untold mulch]

Recon is shit.

[trail topaz]

infantry las i should specify

[untold mulch]

LMAO

[celest vine]

Oh yeah I dont use ammo with this

[slow spade]

It used to be good 😔

[celest vine]

💀

[trail topaz]

sorry sahs me ogryn main forgot theres a ton of rifles

[untold mulch]

Headhunter? and crit stuff should save you a lot of ammo

[slow spade]

Oh then you're good just stack crit

[untold mulch]

I remember

[karmic musk]

Wouldn't Weak Spot damage be better for that lasgun

[untold mulch]

as long as you can click heads

[slow spade]

Na its a spam gun so its weakspot damage is small

MK12 gets better value from it

[karmic musk]

Mg la is the mid-spam tho

[slow spade]

Laspistol gets fucktons of value though

[slow spade]

I mean its still small regardless

MK12 can 1 -shot gunners on head with it

[umbral scaffold]

So for my Helbore mk1 I’m thinking of doing Unyl, 10 weakspot as perks… and then Respite, and Onslaught

[slow spade]

Very nice

[celest vine]

Will veteran actually get a keystone proper?

[umbral scaffold]

Since my build dictates either way on headshots

[untold mulch]

Any year now

[halcyon zephyr]

wonder if this post will get me in trouble.

[slow spade]

They said they're trying to

[karmic musk]

Or just dump the left side of the tree and go down and take your toughness nodes in the middle for ultimate chain axing

[celest vine]

I mean veteran is fine without one but

[slow spade]

So "next week"

[celest vine]

🇹🇷

[karmic musk]

"Next week"

[slow spade]

Oh that's nice

[untold mulch]

Next Month

Next Year

[slow spade]

Good to hearp

[celest vine]

You need to keep spamming the fact that resupply allies doesnt work

[untold mulch]

I reckon DT will be in perfect state just before the Dark Age Of Technology

[celest vine]

It may actually get fixed before 2024 that way

[serene sage]

tfw a lot of vet builds don't actually go to the bottom

too many travel nodes and good stuff but scattered around

[karmic musk]

They will lose the codebase during Age of Strife and restart from laucnh state again

[finite imp]

make it worth it and i will

[slow spade]

I think the only builds are like hyper specialized boss killing builds

[celest vine]

Thats cause the bottom ones suck

[finite imp]

but they already confirmed the vet tree is getting a rework so

[delicate moat]

the bottom ones provide such tiny value

[celest vine]

Why the fuck would I take extra headshot damage when I can already one hit everytging

[karmic musk]

I have ones with the bottom mid and right

[celest vine]

Regen grenade is better

[karmic musk]

But none on the left Weakspot

[slow spade]

"Fuck bosses"

[kind scarab]

Oi lads. I forget. Do we still get +2 wound curios, or are we stuck with the ones we got ages ago?

[slow spade]

I've never seen a +2 wound curio

[celest vine]

A new one anyway

[slow spade]

Its Nurgle propaganda to me

[kind scarab]

Yeah, so just the ones we had ages ago

[delicate moat]

wtf

[karmic musk]

You got sent to jail in the first place for equipping a +2 wounds curio

[slow spade]

450 hours and never seen one so I'm pretty confident it doesn't exist

[peak plinth]

how should i mod this ?

[kind scarab]

I am pretty sure I had one like, during first week

But tossed it cause stats were dog

[gusty sonnet]

flaniak tbh

[livid warren]

Huh 👀 what is this?

[kind scarab]

But I havent' seen one since, so had to ask

[serene sage]

technically we are before DAoT

[untold mulch]

Any day now before we are nuked to oblivion

[halcyon zephyr]

Thats how we felt about power cycler, then it happened.
I still haven't seen proof of a wound 2

[karmic musk]

its okay there are trees in brazil during unification wars

we will be fine

[slow spade]

To be fair, people actually posted images of power cyclers

So I knew those existed

But I've never seen a +2 wound

[celest vine]

Melk had one with cycler 4 in his shop

[solid talon]

I've been using nothing but chainsword since I first unlocked it. Any good recommendations for an all arounder melee weapon to try out to compliment my Bolter?

[celest vine]

Instantly got the sword and earned the blessing

[ornate remnant]

anyone got any advice on doing Make Every Shot Count?

[kind scarab]

Power sword running power cycler

[slow spade]

Devil claw is the most universally good melee weapon

[kind scarab]

Shotgun or plasma gun

[slow spade]

Power sword for pure glass cannon

[kind scarab]

This is also a 100% perfect melee weapon

I just like being a glass cannon

[analog blaze]

I like the dagger.

[solid talon]

I'll try power sword but that blessing is gonna have to wait. Still leveling and earning blessings

[celest vine]

Being a guardsman is the most versatile build

[delicate moat]

devil claw is chefs kiss

[kind scarab]

Then don't bother, it won't be playable without it

[solid talon]

I worry I wont be getting enough weakspot hits to make dagger worth it since im on a controller platform, and ai worry about hordes, the speed seems super fun tho

[solid talon]

Sadge

[serene sage]

CS is great, I use Bolter almost exclusively and can recommend CAxe2

[trail totem]

🧱 ?

[karmic musk]

Mark VI Power Sword

[delicate moat]

I think I accidentally sold my 537 rating Rashad mk2 because I was mindlessly holding X to sell the 300 rated trash from brunt

[serene sage]

nice

[karmic musk]

Full Grenadier build, HEAVY gun and HEAVY melee

[solid talon]

Sounds like a got a fair bit to try out lol

[serene sage]

Grenadier builds should use frag instead of krak

you heard it here first

[delicate moat]

I need to use frags more

doing too much krak lately

[serene sage]

frag + tinker is really good

krak doesn't benefit that much

[karmic musk]

The skill tree for that is awkward as hell ^

[solid talon]

Yeah I keep bringing kraks for bulwarks and Crushers since my teams dunno how to deal with them but in missions where they dont show up I just dont grt to use grenades much at all, gotta start using regular frags more

[limber rune]

ngl my favourite thing about Veteran at the moment is you can stealth and then do an objective, like a scanner, lugging a cylinder thingo, reset the transmitter thing etc. it's so sick

[slow spade]

Stealth is pretty good though idk why it has so many upgrade nodes

[serene sage]

it depends on what you run, just have to embrace the jank

[slow spade]

Like bro I'm not putting 5 talent points into stealth lol

[delicate moat]

pull aggro of 10 ragers to your teammates then enter stealth

[limber rune]

unfathomably based

[solid talon]

Fellow screamy guardsman

[serene sage]

but like zealot can do the same thing and better.

[karmic musk]

No Grenadier node? Heresy

[halcyon zephyr]

top 5 vet plays

[delicate moat]

ngl ragers are cracked in P14

[serene sage]

well technically it's built in cuase you get 3 frags instead of 2 kraks
you can also swap out for blood for that

tbf it's not even a granadier build, it's more of a all rounder

[karmic musk]

And you need Demolition Team for Grenadier too haha

Embrace the explosions

[limber rune]

I honestly wouldn't know, I love my zealot but the stealth bit is so out of character I don't use it. maybe the uptime happens a lot more than I think but having 2 charges feels huge

[hollow solstice]

Well not really lol, because vet gets a base 8 seconds of stealth while zealot has to grab for even 6 seconds. Vet's stealth is more defensive and supportive than zealots which is more aggressive which is why the stealth time is shorter

[median moss]

Is this fucked?

[karmic musk]

Technically dont you get 18 seconds of Stealth if you take Low Profile

[slow spade]

To be fair, Zealot can spam stealth constantly due to all their cooldown reducts

[serene sage]

no it's fine, you want Bromentum anyway

[hollow solstice]

Never used low profile

[serene sage]

idk, backstab reset cd is a thing, which you almost always get, that's -20s

[shell ginkgo]

Nah, swap supercharge for PC4 and stamina for a 25% flak/maniac

[delicate moat]

stealth isn't my style tbh, i just like to go in guns blazing

[serene sage]

and if you are cracked enough to go for crit

[shell ginkgo]

You'll be fine

[serene sage]

that's even more CDR

[karmic musk]

I take Low Profile and +1 Charge on Infiltrate, pretty all rounder ability

[serene sage]

yeah that's how i run too

[hollow solstice]

Yeah.. but we are talking in the context of what the original message was

[karmic musk]

Pretty sure they gonna add a ICD to that Backstab CD reduction

no shot it has no icd

[limber rune]

I just take all the nodes on stealth, I find myself constantly having to play a guardian angel. which is pretty fun

[delicate moat]

ironically, taking Voice of Command as a preventive/proactive measure might help to avoid that

[solid talon]

So I'm feeling pretty confident in Malice and wanna bump up to the next difficulty but I'm still like level 23. Would I just be throwing if I didn't level all the way before doing those missions?

[karmic musk]

I mean I see level 24s in Damnation so....

[delicate moat]

as long as u feel comfortable

[median moss]

Not at all. If you feel confident to try it, try it. See how you do.

[limber rune]

I've thought about that a lot, and sometimes you just don't get enough stealths to keep people alive anyways

[solid talon]

I mostly just want more coordinated teams, cause these nerds in Malice that stay spread out are the only thing making things harder than they need to be

[karmic musk]

Your team are secret Nurgle worshippers

[karmic musk]

You wont find them in Heresy

[hybrid prawn]

Play damnation

[delicate moat]

I imagine damnation might be easier than heresy in that regard...

[solid talon]

[delicate moat]

heresy likely has the... loner embracers

[karmic musk]

Heck you wont even find them in Damnation

Pub is anything goes

[solid talon]

Just wanna give everyone toughness when shit hits the fan

[limber rune]

I fraggin' knew it

[karmic musk]

Only premade has any real coordination

[delicate moat]

yeah, damnation pubs are a real treat in RNG

[solid talon]

I need to start doing premades with the friends in this server. Start properly learning from others instead of letting my vermintide experience carry me

[delicate moat]

sometimes you get pub teammates that actually works as a team, mission goes smooth AF

sometimes you get 4 true solo players actively sabotaging each other

[halcyon zephyr]

this is me frfr

[karmic musk]

See Knife Zealot in lobby, time to roll the dice

[delicate moat]

knife zealots are either the absolute gods at helping the team, or the run away 100m get trapped then rage quit kinds, no inbetween

[halcyon zephyr]

I'll be a team player until it's clear that someone on the team is incapable of being a team player. Then it's a team of 3 and one random dead man

[halcyon zephyr]

see knife zealot, pull out an even faster kit and outrun them.
Nothing annoys a zealot more than someone else being in melee range

[queen fox]

i run the speed aura, am i hamstringing my team?

[halcyon zephyr]

quite the opposite.
you'd be speeding them up

[karmic musk]

Tbf I havent seen someone actively sabotaging, I do see people who are level 30+ that have no idea how to play though

[delicate moat]

speed aura is pretty nice

[native ermine]

doomed shovel or are these blessings better than i think they are

[delicate moat]

nothing grinds my gear more than teammates shooting poxbursters when im trying to push it

[karmic musk]

swap hammer blow and groaners

[halcyon zephyr]

I've seen someone actively sabatoge. I can only say that, because they loaded into heresy high-int dogs with 10 wounds, ran away from the group, triggered two demon hosts during boss encounters, and DC'd as soon as he pulled the demons

[queen fox]

i loooove blowing them up!

[limber rune]

I used to love the speed aura but ammo regen is so nice with a plasma to be able to reload and heat dump all the time that I can't not use it

[solid talon]

I didn't realize how nice Scavenger was until I realized I could resonably use my bolter as much as I wanted during the course of a mission, I'm usually torn between that or speed aura imo

[karmic musk]

we got another traitor on the ship inquisitor

[halcyon zephyr]

He triggered the second demon a full two rooms over during a dog rush while a boss was already active on the field

[karmic musk]

He's speedrunning his daemon prince ascension weekly

[solid talon]

Wait there's a weekly for setting off daemonhosts?

[karmic musk]

[delicate moat]

oh btw, y'all know the final section of the Silo Cluster 18-66/a (water supply mission), I always find it hilarious when people stand in front of the metal gate blocking the extraction route

there's always someone going to get sniped by a sniper spawning in the stuff behind the gate

[trim hemlock]

It’s not a good holdout spot, but a popular one for some reason

[limber rune]

it's a hidden weekly. it also adds a 1.25x multiplier to your plasteel and diamantine at the end of the mission

[trim hemlock]

Very exposed, too, which can be bad

[native ermine]

would it be for flak and something like thrust?

[karmic musk]

Idk the breakpoints but Flak probably and the blessing would be Decimator

[visual escarp]

Anyone know if the Agri shotgun is any good?

[devout atlas]

hey what % does charge rates plasma gun gotta be (ik theres a glitch that reduces damage if its too low)

[delicate moat]

there's also the elevator section on one of the maps, people love holding in front of the elevator for some reason

[karmic musk]

I heard you only use the Slug round, regular shot is waste of ammo apparently

[acoustic wyvern]

if you only use the slug rounds might as well use a revolver or the headhunters

[candid bridge]

I think someone yesterday said like nothing more than 73%

Yeah this

[shell ginkgo]

Spaghetti code.

[serene pagoda]

i need to get a better plasma gun

😔

[tardy vine]

any reason to keep unarmored on ps6?

[valid apex]

My first class was ogryn.

Wooooof

The first like 5 points on ogryn are absurd.

[karmic musk]

Those 25% toughness replenish nodes

[valid apex]

30% reduced damage, 30% increased damage.

Lol.

[untold mulch]

Indeed

[valid apex]

Every other class gets the damage increase but not the reduction

Access to two 25 toughness nodes

A pretty big damage node as well…

[tepid pagoda]

I guess you haven't seen Zealot

Wdym 80%+ DR that is almost up all the time is broken

[shell ginkgo]

I can't wait for full Vet tree to be released. I'm sure we'll be as strong

[karmic musk]

Cope

[shell ginkgo]

[delicate moat]

[tepid pagoda]

Veteran already has the best active

[serene pagoda]

😎

[tepid pagoda]

(Except Ogryn)

[shell ginkgo]

I want more power

[tepid pagoda]

Unacceptable

[halcyon zephyr]

thank you for contacting customer support, may the emperor have mercy on your soul

[tepid pagoda]

Support Vet should be the only playstyle

[halcyon zephyr]

wrong - wrecking ball vet is the only playstyle

[delicate moat]

[shell ginkgo]

I do not like that emote it reminds me of PSO2.

[halcyon zephyr]

what season does this anime drop? Shotu no Stealth? never heard of it.

[shell ginkgo]

[karmic musk]

[junior grail]

Anyone use Agri HH?

[tepid pagoda]

Isn't that where it's from

[tepid pagoda]

No

As it should be

[shell ginkgo]

...

[trim hemlock]

Not a fan. I prefer the other two variants.

[shell ginkgo]

I now see why I don't like it.

[tepid pagoda]

[karmic musk]

Purge the Weebs

[shell ginkgo]

[karmic musk]

[junior grail]

If you purge the weebs, something else must fill that void of being hated by 40K community

[tepid pagoda]

Vet was the original weeb and femboy chat

Then Vet was destroyed

[shell ginkgo]

True

[tepid pagoda]

And all the weebs and femboys ran to Zealot

[tardy vine]

wot do?

[halcyon zephyr]

those were good days

[junior grail]

Vet chat got humbled to normalcy I suppose

[shell ginkgo]

Don't forget the frogs

[halcyon zephyr]

I don't see the degens in here anymore, which is unfortunate

[candid bridge]

Unarmored to flak.

[willow forge]

Autogun recommendations?

[junior grail]

Wasnt that exclusively by Yog?

[shell ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-e1x-gif-21298965

[halcyon zephyr]

agri braced

[halcyon zephyr]

You have to tag joshu on those

[willow forge]

Does that still have pierce?

[halcyon zephyr]

bullet pen? yeah it still collats into other targets. It's just a lot of fun

[karmic musk]

Did it even get any major changes, still as good as launch lol

Maybe more ammo now?

[willow forge]

Ahhh good I thought they had removed it for some reason

[sharp epoch]

More ammo is the only change really, doesn't go well with talents on new vet, but its ok

[solid talon]

Woo cleared my first mission on Heresy, total shotshow but we survived somehow

[scenic bronze]

Fml I've been spending thousands of plasteel searching for a tier IV blessing thats only tier 3

[solid talon]

Gathering contagion samples too, usually my worst mission

[sharp epoch]

blaze away???

[solid talon]

Also whats the difference between the two power swords in like a few words? Or is the mk6 just an upgrade to the mk3

[scenic bronze]

Yesser

[sharp epoch]

mk6 has good swing pattern for light, mk3 has good swing pattern for heavy

[solid talon]

Hrmmmmmm

[sharp epoch]

Also mk6 has a strong block attack thats good vs armor or single targets

[solid talon]

Ooh thats good

[rocky stratus]

yay/nay

[halcyon zephyr]

excuse me sir, but what the hell is that sight on the revolver? I want it

[trim hemlock]

No bother

[karmic musk]

Sir you have won the video game known as Darktide, you can uninstall now

[halcyon zephyr]

how reliable is it? perfectly zeroed sight?

[karmic musk]

Its pretty good

I use the Kantrael Reflex on all long range guns

[rocky stratus]

i check in on the darktide green store every few days to see if i get a good weapon (so i don’t delete the game) and it’s really annoying how i’m not getting anything good

[karmic musk]

Can use the browser extension to check

[halcyon zephyr]

green as in premium shop or the armory? Armory never has anything good

[halcyon zephyr]

Also this

[sharp epoch]

yeah use the browser extension called darktide armory to check without opening game

[trim hemlock]

Frankly, if this is the only thing keeping you from abandoning the game, you probably should consider whether there’s anything in there for you long-term

[karmic musk]

The fact we need this extension is so grimderp

[trim hemlock]

Indeed

[sharp epoch]

its fun to get loot

[candid bridge]

I want to like reflex 3 but I lose its sight so easily in crowds

Reflex 2 is my go to

[trim hemlock]

Fishing for good loot is typically no fun, though

[atomic zephyr]

trying to aim for the perfect loot all the time feels soul draining

[karmic musk]

Use Reflex one then use Crosshair Remap for additional white recticle, helps my eyes

[atomic zephyr]

just get something that works alright and fuck around

[candid bridge]

Word, I’ll look into it today after work

[atomic zephyr]

agri slug crosshair?

[trim hemlock]

I’m both playing the game and fishing for good items, but just fishing for good items in hope that sparks up further interest in the game in you, is somewhat naive

[atomic zephyr]

its basically a single point

[karmic musk]

You can use the Dot, Chevron or Cross up to you

[languid dune]

Out of curiosity as I've just been leveling all classes currently and haven't really started playing on Damnation, where are people finding these Transcendant items? Mission rewards, Melk, random upgrade results at Hadron? All three?

[karmic musk]

Plasma?

[serene pagoda]

all three

[atomic zephyr]

all three

[trim hemlock]

All three.

I’m mostly trying to get good items through crafting, though

[atomic zephyr]

dont worry about transcendant gear until you hit max level tho

[brittle grove]

does someone has a good build for devils claw ?

[sharp epoch]

typically just upgrade a weapon with a high base modifier to transcendant

[karmic musk]

The gear system is there to crush your soul, don't go all in

[languid dune]

What are your chances at getting Transcendant from mission rewards?

[serene pagoda]

usable stuff is mainly through crafting, as drops and melk 90% of the time gives Complete garbage.

[atomic zephyr]

they come fairly regularly if you play damnation

idk the rates for other diffs tho

i skipped straight from malice to damn

[karmic musk]

30-40% chance to get orange from Damnation i feel

[trim hemlock]

I don’t think it’s a measurable metric, not that it matters greatly anyway, but the higher the difficulty, the higher the chance

[sharp epoch]

the emperor gift ones usually suck

[atomic zephyr]

^

[trim hemlock]

I frequently get orange items from playing Auric Damnation

[karmic musk]

How dare you spurn the Emperor's gift?!

[atomic zephyr]

you'll have the best results upgrading stuff from Brunt

[trim hemlock]

More frequently than purple items in fact

[atomic zephyr]

but sometimes the emperor blesses you with something good

[languid dune]

I remember hearing that Melk is mostly for blessings, correct?

[trim hemlock]

Buuut they can be a good source of Lv4/rare blessings on a specific level rank

[atomic zephyr]

yes, but sometimes melk has a fucking zinger

just keep an eye out

[sick marsh]

what's the regularity of orange drops on regular damnation?

[atomic zephyr]

i dont quite remember? but i have a LOT of orange weapons sitting around that i dont recall buying

so its fairly high rate

[karmic musk]

30-40%

i get a ton of purples

[candid bridge]

I got lucky but I did 5 damnation runs last night and got 4 oranges out of 5 runs

[sick marsh]

huh. you lucky devil

[candid bridge]

None were good tho

[karmic musk]

5 trash oranges i assume xd

[candid bridge]

Yep! lol

[winged berry]

Am I the only one who wants the Veteran to have access to the Flamer?

[karmic musk]

At this point, might as well

I want more melee weapons though, selection is getting old

[sick marsh]

I just wante oranges to canabilize for tier 3 and 4 blessings

I'd like it to be possible to upgrade to a higher tier of blessing if you acquire duplicates of the same of a lower tier (that is blessings broken down by Hadron)

[karmic musk]

That was the plan but they scrapped it

[serene pagoda]

[sick marsh]

that is a shame

[trim hemlock]

Not very rock and stone, that statement is

[halcyon zephyr]

more like a rock and two stones

[sick marsh]

that wasn't needed.

[rocky stratus]

my storage is very contended
i just have tokens rn so i don’t feel the need to play alat much
when i run out i’ll play some more

[languid dune]

I've had a similar random case of "Why tho"

[rocky stratus]

besides i care more about cosmetics honestly, so weekly store checking is a must

[trim hemlock]

Good for you sah, or, sorry that happened, sah.

[winged berry]

Same. Maybe Vets could get some sort of heavy axe, or a Power Fist?

[elder relic]

more enemy variety is needed

[trim hemlock]

The game certainly needs more Dreg stuff, especially elites

Infested enemies also lack an elite at the moment

[rocky stratus]

well i mean gsc is the big thing im hoping for

[halcyon zephyr]

This game needs more tyranids

Also, this game needs to give us back shirtless mode

[rocky stratus]

apart from that i just want actual ftp cosmetics

the barber was a nice addition

[severe gale]

yes

vet should not have flamer

ever

[elder relic]

even just giving the melee scrubs a shield would make it alil more refreshing since youre not just mindlessly hitting a flak armored meatbag

[halcyon zephyr]

Boy I love having a grand total of two cosmetics for every weapon, a red one and a slightly blue recolor.

[rocky stratus]

veteran does not need the flamer 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[trim hemlock]

I really don’t want VT shielded rats and marauders back

[halcyon zephyr]

agri braced is a flamer that you only use on hordes when there's something more important behind it.

[candid bridge]

For the drip mod is nice for that

[trim hemlock]

They just add another layer of annoyance in an already complex roster

[halcyon zephyr]

Yeah I just grabbed the customization mod. I'm gonna tinker with it after work

[trim hemlock]

Bulwark is one shielded enemy that’s plenty a replacement for shielded enemies

[elder relic]

no, its a elite

[trim hemlock]

Why does that matter?

[elder relic]

also annoying

[candid bridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/408120447293456386/1170240027851227236/image.png

[trim hemlock]

Many little karkers with shields would not be annoying, then?

[elder relic]

who said it had to be alot? stop putting words in my mouth

[empty heron]

Hmm.
This worth buying? Never tried Helbore b4

[languid dune]

Everyone loved shielded enemies in VT2 whattya mean?

[trim hemlock]

If me implying is putting words in your mouth all of a sudden, then have a good day sir.

[jaunty lantern]

I need some help with my Veteran. I'm going for a Krak-Survivalist-Voice of Command-Marksman build. What skills should I specifically go for if I am leaning into the plasma gun?

[trim hemlock]

They were despicable

There is a reason that we only have a Bulwark as a shielded enemy

[candid bridge]

There needs to be nurglings that act as goblins from Diablo

Drop plasteel and diamantine

Also incentive to kill demonhosts

[shell ginkgo]

Incentive to kill daemonhost is to not wipe.

[karmic musk]

that charge rate is horrible but its mk 2 so maybe still alright with onslaught

[shell ginkgo]

[karmic musk]

You would want all the damage nodes and maybe one of the reload nodes

[empty heron]

Thanks! Charge rate important?

[karmic musk]

Yeap pretty impt since thats what you would be doing all the time with Helbore

[empty heron]

I see

[karmic musk]

You already have a slow weapon draw time with it best not to slow down the initial shot any further

[candid bridge]

Yeah but something else like better chance at orange guns or more plasteel on mission finish lol

[jaunty lantern]

I was told to go for more reload and less damage because the plasma can already two-charge crushers

[shell ginkgo]

They're supposed to be a punishment for proccing

[karmic musk]

I go without Reload and its honestly fine

[shell ginkgo]

Though I wish random bosses dropped loot like VT

[fierce plinth]

My autogun in question

[sick marsh]

do I buy that alternate steel legion helmet from last week's rotation, dunno if it goes with the trenchstorm camo body and legs. can't check rn...

[karmic musk]

Even with the reload talent, if you have to reload when stuck in shit, you're still fked

[shell ginkgo]

Hmmm, maybe. It's a good helmet.

Though you've a few weeks to think it over

[karmic musk]

*FOMO intensifies

[sick marsh]

yeah I'll be fine for that timing wise. I got a microsoft rewards xbox card queued up.

[jaunty lantern]

So jsut gotta tough it out... What aobut melee? WHat should I pair with it considering I would have fuck all for melee damage?

[fierce plinth]

I've had this autogun since i believe beta, I've not touched it once since I transcended it.

[rocky stratus]

yay or nay

[karmic musk]

Something to clear hordes such as the Power Sword or the other more mobile horde clear weapons

[sick marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/nato-flag-gif-20870371

[karmic musk]

I use Power Sword personally on the Grenadier Plasma Gun build

[fierce plinth]

Cavalcade is important on shredder pistol, it basically gets guaranteed constant crits as you magdump

[karmic musk]

Just a walking turret

[compact aspen]

Is collateral on the boltgun important or no?

[slow spade]

Not really as Bolter has so much stagger

[candid bridge]

It’s serviceable due to its stats but both perks along with stripped down is blegh

[willow badger]

Oh my God laspistol and plasma gun are both so fun

[candid bridge]

You could use it as a cqc rush rangers and gunners with it and change out the 2 perks

[willow badger]

Feel like fkn James bond with the laspistol and power sword

[jaunty lantern]

Actually, speaking of which, what is an underrated build for the Veteran? I wanna play something a bit more unconventional, like a recon lasgun or a shotgun build

[willow badger]

Reconlasgun is fun

[candid bridge]

Slug shotgun with stealth is actually p fun

[willow badger]

Recon just suffers bad against carapace. Will shred flak

[jaunty lantern]

If we have a different carapace killer I could go for an infinite headshot build, maybe?

[karmic musk]

Proceeds to miss every headshot

[candid bridge]

Does well if you build into onslaught and that 30% weakpoint talent

[midnight patrol]

Okay so. I've been experimenting with a hybrid sharpshooter shout veteran

And good god you become the freakin cornerstone of the squad

Tap headshot or specials? Toughness regen, squad about to get into a firefight with four gunners and a poxwalker crowd? Shout, everyone doesnt loose more than a quarter of health throughout the whole engagement

[forest maple]

Yup, exactly what i'm running since patch 14

[karmic musk]

Just need one bomber boi

[midnight patrol]

That was the hard counter I noticed yeah

[karmic musk]

The shout is basically Kruber anyways so your experience is on point

[forest maple]

shout build with tanky toughness talents and left tree with 30% weakspot up to 25% ammo or suppression immunity depending on what im using ( laser or bullet)

[slow spade]

Indeed, you can even hordeclear with plasma

[midnight patrol]

The moment I cant get a clean shot or time to kill a bomber? The squad cohesin folds lol

Everyone scatters or burns to death and the whole cycle of immortality flunders

[kind scarab]

Ran into a mans earlier today who killed nothing but hordes with his plasma gun

I wanted to feed him to a beast of nurgle

[midnight patrol]

Until there were like. Three shout vets and a CC psyker

[karmic musk]

Stole all the ammo Im sure

[slow spade]

Yeah its part of why I use plasma because it can shoot through walls

[midnight patrol]

Then things got really funny

[candid bridge]

Bombers always seem to show up right on time to fuck your squad over lol

[slow spade]

So bombers doing the funny can get wallbang'd

[fading grove]

Resupply Allies Penance still bugged it looks like?

[kind scarab]

Oh nah, my friends and I just used all the ammo before he could reach it

[forest maple]

I lose way more matches when i'm running anything other than shout

[slow spade]

Thankfully the wise vet knows it only needs 1 shot to clear most of a horde UwU

[karmic musk]

Meanwhile I become the most efficient shooter disposer with the Plasma since it shoots through cover

Rip ammo

[midnight patrol]

Funnily enough I'm running a one or two tap headshot Vraks MkVII

[slow spade]

Yeah the only way to deal with ammo thieves to is take ammo even faster than them

[midnight patrol]

Its.. really satisfying able to drop five shooters or three shotgunners in a second

[kind scarab]

^

[karmic musk]

What if the cleave was a bug

its suppose to be 10 but it become 100 xd

[fading grove]

I'm not in love with the plasma gun, but it's just so damn effective it's hard to use anything else 😞

[slow spade]

Then Fatshark has a weird way of doing patch notes

[slow spade]

Same, I like Helbore more

But people are shit

So Plasma it is

[midnight patrol]

But still have more than enough ammo to basically secure 22 or 23 trash mob kills as fast as the gun can shoot if you have to clear off the flanks of the zealot going deep in a horde

[minor iron]

Originally was a plasma main coming into patch 14 but I discovered the revolver and now I can’t use anything else