veteran-class

[hollow turtle]

That's not an MG12. 😅

[crystal sable]

not 12

[delicate moat]

im dumb

[crystal sable]

dw

[delicate moat]

then rip

[hollow turtle]

Is it savable via the 25% ammo talent?

[crystal sable]

still usable with ammo aura and the talent

yeah

be careful with your shots and ez life

[hollow turtle]

Well I was looking for an IA to give to my Exe stance preset. This'll do.

[delicate moat]

does 1A hit any important breakpoints? not sure

[grizzled pebble]

Lemme show you a stronk Ia.

[delicate moat]

okay wow that ammo is different...

[grizzled pebble]

I also run 25% ammo talent.

[hollow turtle]

Reminds me of back when the ammo counter only went up to 999, so it would reset and look like it was low when you were in reality like at 1000+ ammo.

[delicate moat]

anyone else have issues with silent hoardes

like there could be a hundred poxwalkers spawn behind u and u only hear the about-to-get-hit sound

[tepid pagoda]

Yes

Sound issues are normal

[median moss]

Well then.

[tepid pagoda]

Brick it, brick it

[median moss]

Oh you KNOW hadron.rng will spread steel cheeks and coil out a fat steamer on this.

[whole moon]

Even got the dump stat above 50 for that extra dodge

[frank ether]

Idk what to do with this

genuinely never touched chainswords lmao

[brisk umbra]

i mean it's pretty much perfect, just check if you can oneshot mutants with a special heavy attack

if not, slap mutant on it and then maybe the bleed on special if need be

[south spindle]

I would ditch Cara for Maniac or Flak an swap Savage to Rampage personally, but ymmv

[gilded kernel]

this is pretty fire as is

[frank ether]

I'll give it a try

probably sensible to get maniac yeah

[delicate moat]

btw how do u deal with ragers with chainsword?

dclaw is easy because parry, but chainsword?

[trail totem]

is this any good? feels like its kinda shit compared to literally any other melee weapon

[sharp ember]

if 1, rev and heavy saw, some footwork may be required
if many, normal heavies and keep your spacing

[delicate moat]

interesting

[sharp ember]

if it's a rager group hopefully your team is on them too

they're beefy now

[delicate moat]

yeah

[sharp ember]

sometimes they hyper armor through light saws, so it's gotta be a heavy to ensure stunning them

[umbral scaffold]

add flakiac and ur good

[dusk idol]

it is kinda shit, but keep it

one day you'll get so bored you'll try it out and have fun with it

[umbral scaffold]

i love tactical axes

[dusk idol]

i have fun with mine because it's kinda shit

[umbral scaffold]

i use one on zealot

i destroy with it

clears hordes with ease

[dusk idol]

yeah but that's zealot

[umbral scaffold]

clears most elites with ease too

[dusk idol]

you could give zealot a paper tissue and tell him it was blessed by the emperor and they'd clear shooter rooms with it

[umbral scaffold]

idk

zealot mains only like using meta

zealot mains are the sweatiest mfs in this game

[trail totem]

i liked using it on pre 13 zealot but now it just does nothing. thought i was missing something

[mental parcel]

is that in the game or not?

[brisk umbra]

i mean, with the exception of the crusher all the zealot melee are passable

[dusk idol]

crusher is good noww

[umbral scaffold]

crusher is good wdym

[trail totem]

not yet

[dusk idol]

it got buffed in patch 14 and it feels pretty decent

[trail totem]

maelstroms are titled flash in the code but FS changed their mind

[mental parcel]

its been there for so long

[dusk idol]

on veteran even if you get the crit talent it's just kinda meh, there are other weapons on veteran that do what it does but better

[brisk umbra]

It really isn't

[dusk idol]

that being said, it is fun to axe punch people in the face

[umbral scaffold]

have u used it

[brisk umbra]

Yes

[umbral scaffold]

why do others think its good then

[dusk idol]

why do you say it's bad?

[delicate moat]

idk crusher feels pretty good to me?

[umbral scaffold]

i think hes trolling

[dusk idol]

i'm willing to hear him out, he might have some valid points that i don't know

[brisk umbra]

It's a wet noodle that sure staggers everything, but what's the point of that when you could actually kill stuff?

[umbral scaffold]

i dont think he knows its been bufed

[dusk idol]

post patch 14, it does kill things

it actually does it quite well

[wraith solar]

It does kill things though

You can take on crusher patrols with that bad boy thanks to its special and good heavy chains

[dusk idol]

took it through auric damnation to put it through its paces and the crusher held up well

[umbral scaffold]

Did you truly think I was dead? I had a failsafe all this time.

[plucky cosmos]

15 toughness or 25% grenade dmg and radius

[dusk idol]

for the shredder?

[plucky cosmos]

yup

[brisk umbra]

Tinkerer always

atm it's bugged and gives stun immunity

[plucky cosmos]

wait what

how tf

[sharp ember]

the ability to hold back any mixed horde is pretty nice, even if crusher has inferior murder speed to other choices

[delicate moat]

fatshark moment

[sharp ember]

yeah, hidden code

I don't wanna get used to it in case they rug pull it

[delicate moat]

i'll use it and just accept getting stunned after they patch it

[umbral scaffold]

the game is held toegther with strings and popsicle sticks

[sharp ember]

tinker shred grenades themselves are amazing though

[dusk idol]

lets be honest when it comes to fatshark it may be intended too

everyone thought zealot charge was bugged when it degraded armour but lo and behold

[umbral scaffold]

why do they make good games

why cant they make bad games and then no one will like em

[dusk idol]

beyond the gameplay pre-patch 13 i would've said darktide is a bad game lol

[untold mulch]

Gameplay team break their backs carrying Fatshark fuckups

[umbral scaffold]

i shouldve said fun games

not good

like how do they fuck up something like grenade tinkerer

what spaghetti code do they have

is it tf2 levels?

[dusk idol]

undertale levels of coding

[delicate moat]

their code looks like the talent trees

[umbral scaffold]

how does a blessing not having a proper description manage to get published with an update too

and remain there for a month or so

[untold mulch]

I was very surprised when I learned that the Undertale code is stapled together

[sharp ember]

i bet it's something like it's supposed to make you uninterruptable while throwing a grenade, but it just always works

[untold mulch]

Something very wrong is happening in the dev teams

it feels like they have no communication at all

the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing

[trail totem]

what about this one? decapitator deals shit tons of damage but is so unreliable it might as well not exist

[umbral scaffold]

something as basic as writing a description for a blessing is forgotton about and not fixed for several weeks

[delicate moat]

thats normal tbh, i dont know what im doing myself sometimes

[sharp ember]

does it drop on a non-lethal hit?

[dusk idol]

i've never used it, though on the rashad i dropped bromentum in lieu of decimator and headtaker

feels pretty much the same tbh, just a bit more consistent damage on it

[untold mulch]

[umbral scaffold]

replace decimater with headtaker and specialists with maniac

and ur good to go

[trail totem]

it doesnt drop but the window to refresh the stacks is quite short

[untold mulch]

Its extremely weird

it takes 30 seconds to fix

Or it should

[umbral scaffold]

inb4 some mf says it takes decades of coding practice to do such s thing

[untold mulch]

inb4 then why don't you do better yourself?

[sharp ember]

idk about game balancing but it's funny that any new content they add to the game has to be reviewed and greenlit by Games Workshop officials

[untold mulch]

Is always funny seeing people acting like one needs to be a master chef to know htat the food was served in the most fuck up way

[dusk idol]

games workshop greenlit this story 😭

[untold mulch]

I am in the belief

[umbral scaffold]

what story

[dusk idol]

written by dan

[untold mulch]

that there is more but Fatshark hasn't turned into game yet

[dusk idol]

it's so deep

[untold mulch]

Like Fatshark has a big lore dump in archives and all

[dusk idol]

you are a hopeful man

[umbral scaffold]

we just go to locations and have characters tell us what ti do

[sharp ember]

even the dev blogs have to be greenlit by GW, i remember catfish literally saying they were waiting to hear back from them before posting a blog

[umbral scaffold]

no story

[untold mulch]

I am more expecting Dan competency than Fatshark with my statement

Dan may have written 3 bibles of content

if Fatshark is only capable of programming a chapter a year

it doenst matter

[dusk idol]

i want to believe that there's like a hidden story going on that requires some lore digging but

[untold mulch]

There is

[dusk idol]

when the game released without 60% of its promised content

[clear lark]

the vox communications/tweets right?

[dusk idol]

lost my faith in fatshark

[untold mulch]

Game reeks of live service, and at launch Fatshark remembered they are fuckups that can't fathom keeping up with that format

[clear lark]

are the lil lore bits we get leading up to content drops?

[untold mulch]

As of now Fatshark is in my gaming group blacklist

[dusk idol]

it may do

[untold mulch]

no purchase for 1-2 years

after release

We got in for Darktide/40k and got burned

[clear lark]

i mean you got everything but a good crafting system and material economy if were talking about core features.

[untold mulch]

Game was stupidly taxing at release performance wise

yeah, now is better

but at release it was a karking disaster

Anyways, the point stands, something in Fatshark offices makes no sense in a professional team

[minor copper]

Still a fun game tho I played since beta and never dropped it yeah it has its issues but it’s only going up from here

[dusk idol]

yeah, i had fun with the gameplay, that was always good

[foggy nova]

Core gameplay loop is at least as good as VT2

there's things it lacks from there I feel (readability, mainly) but makes up for it in others

[untold mulch]

Yeah when it worked gameplay was stellar outside stupid balance choices

THough dogs were nasty

[foggy nova]

the metagame, though? Not a fan

[minor copper]

I went back to vt2 for the Geheimnisnacht but it just made me miss Darktide

[dusk idol]

don't forget poxbursters

[clear lark]

performance isnt a core feature as i specified, but yeah its soemthing that should be includede automatically. like no one goes into the meeting room like, well. in terms of features we need good crafting, good economy, and good performance?!??! like no thats something thats expected already

[dusk idol]

being unstaggerable lmao

[foggy nova]

not a fan of the rotating shop, not a fan of the sheer amount of grind involved in things, not a fan of mods being necessary for basic QoL features that they should've learned from and implemented from VT2

I think that's what upsets me the most, y'know
so many things VT2 did, it did right
and they just... go back on those decisions here

[dusk idol]

the fact that the cosmetic shop was perfectly implemented while there wasn't any crafting at launch either

that hurt

[clear lark]

and with the trend of, shitty performance on release FS is hardly a special case, not that it makes releasing in a buggy or unoptimized state, ok. but to specififcally call FS out for a wider trend. isnt very helpful

[foggy nova]

yeah, it wasn't a good look

[untold mulch]

I mean to be fair cosmetic shop to my knowledge if you can't program that, you should be out of the industry, instantly.

But yeah, terrible look for the company

[foggy nova]

I mean, I only started playing the game this year, post- class overhaul (I think it had a discount when it launched on other platforms, I got it then) but I've been following it since launch

[delicate moat]

reroll to rating is such a life saver that shouldn't be such life saving

[minor copper]

Yeah but implementing a shop is easier than fixing a problem with the system itself and I believe those are two different compartments in the team

[untold mulch]

I followed since the Teaser trailer and player since pre-beta

THe teaser was fun,
Me: That looks like warhammer aesthetic
...
OH SHIT HTAT A LASGUN!

[foggy nova]

the cosmetic shop was also almost certainly a different team to other gameplay/balance devs, etc
buuuut still
not a good look

[brisk sapphire]

sounds like copium

[dusk idol]

i do love me ssome 40k though

still think it's the best 40k game out there

[foggy nova]

yeah I was so hyped when that teaser dropped
and it's mostly delivered

[minor copper]

Yeah it should have been delayed the talent tree patch only confirms that they didn’t had enough time to develop but someone pushed for release

[foggy nova]

it's just so close to being something I would recommend in a heartbeat, but it's just... falling short in some key areas

[trail totem]

at max stacks with desperado on this does exactly 50% more damage on weakspot hit

[minor copper]

I would recommend this game to anyone

[brisk sapphire]

i'd recoommend it with a caveat at this point

[minor copper]

I don’t know what that means

[untold mulch]

I personally am in the middle

Like I enjoy the horde genre and all

But the teaser + statements, felt like the game was more horror focused, there were interviews/magazines that implied avoiding enemies was gonna be a constant thing (basically 40k GTFO but maybe lighter)

Hopefully that one we get one day

[dusk idol]

i'd tell anyone getting into the game that levelling is a pain in the ass and crafting still mostly sucks

[brisk sapphire]

i'd recommend it, but i'd also warn them of its shortcomings

[dusk idol]

but i'd still recommend it

[minor copper]

Thanks , I lack in vocabulary

[untold mulch]

I would personally say if possible wait a bit more for more content

[dusk idol]

1 more year 💀

[untold mulch]

How generous

[autumn perch]

Sus

[dusk idol]

i went to zealot chat instantly i knew it

[autumn perch]

👀

[untold mulch]

I literally searched the words, the editing out the name was utterly useless

[autumn perch]

I tried

[dusk idol]

it was a good effort

[foggy nova]

Ah I missed most of that
I'm glad it isn't, personally. I think having enemies you avoid (ala Stormvermin patrols from VT2, and the already-existing Daemonhosts) is enough

[untold mulch]

Oh definitely horde game as is now is more popular and more people like it

[foggy nova]

because if you fuck up or someone griefs you, the game's over if you aren't prepared

[untold mulch]

But for a good while, my group was in the 👀 scary guard game?

THEY ARE IN THE WALLS

Like one of the magazines told that Lights Out would have been a random mid-mission occurence

like for the next 5 minutes there is no light and then it will come back

[foggy nova]

I do remember that torch/brazier section in one of the VT2 maps

It's interesting, but can get kind of annoying. I'd say that's way more tenable now since everyone seems to have shoulder-mounted flashlights (and also gun flashlights)

def could be interesting to see that sort of thing from time to time, I'd almost expect that to show up as a Mutator or something

[trim marten]

Is this considered a good weapon stat wise? What 2 things should I change if it is?

[bold ibex]

i'm very tempted but then I'd be outta meltbux

[untold mulch]

Its decent, No respite out and idk if ranged weak spot or flak out 🤔

[brisk sapphire]

if you have another helbore without flak, see if it has the same breakpts i guess

[trim marten]

I was thinking +20 dmg Maniac maybe?

[brisk sapphire]

think most would change ranged weakspot tho

[untold mulch]

I mean if you are going to cahnge pick the 25%

[trim marten]

25% I meant sry

So 25% Maniac instead of Weak spot dmg?

[untold mulch]

Wasn't there an app to calculate breakpoints?

[trim marten]

There is?

[untold mulch]

let me search

https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

[trim marten]

For Blessing No resprite out and which would y'all recommend to take instead of it?

[trim marten]

Wow nice thanks

[brisk sapphire]

think i have onslaught/no respite IV on mine

rarely use helbore admittedly

[frank ether]

Had a plasma vet who picked up 14 tins and 5 large crates

I'm on my last 30 rounds and dude steals the tin

[brisk sapphire]

plasma is thirsty for juice

[frank ether]

actual bonehead

[brisk sapphire]

he is the main character

[trim marten]

I don't understand I filled out everything and nothing happens...

[untold mulch]

click the right enemies

[frank ether]

at least he killed the boss

could be worse

just absolute shithead move to slide steal a tin when you're full ammo and someone else is out

[trim marten]

Ahh nice

[whole moon]

The man I would like to ask seems to have left us but... what does a +9 Stam DClaw wielding Vet sound like?

[untold mulch]

I assume on crack

Mf parrying Nurgle

Horus Heresy would have ended different if Emperor had a Dclaw and 3, +3 stam curios

😔

[kind scarab]

For real

[delicate moat]

+9 stam is when your stamina bars become squares

[gusty sonnet]

We can go deeper, + shovel + 2 stamina perk + stamina boost from the skill tree

[valid apex]

That would have been awesome

I think the game needs more dynamic modifiers/events for mid mission

[forest maple]

fuck me... woke up and made this from blue with tier 2 blessing

[sharp ember]

[digital gazelle]

should I be focusing on higher stats? or getting one gun leveled up hight enough

[tepid pagoda]

Are you level 30

[sharp ember]

save your crafting mats until you hit level 30

[digital gazelle]

25

still new to the game

[tepid pagoda]

Yeah don't do anything until you're 30

Just roll with whatever

Level 30 bump is huge

[untold mulch]

Indeed it needs

[tepid pagoda]

It's like going from 320 max base

To 380 max base

[sharp ember]

changing one perk to +Flak is fine for comfort but don't go overboard

[digital gazelle]

Ohh ok

[untold mulch]

Don't level up guns until you are level 30 and even then only when stats are high enough

[sharp ember]

at max level, you can start farming for 360-380 weapons to upgrade and hopefully turn into godrolls

[tepid pagoda]

Yeah this game is very MMO RPG

You'll just replace all low level gear at max level

[untold mulch]

Btw just leveling my Ogryn

Jesus christ wtf, how tf they made the shit that is the Vet tree

[digital gazelle]

ah ok, i do have infernus and headhunter perks unlocked atleast

which is good

[tepid pagoda]

The Vet tree is still WIP so

But yeah Ogryn and Zealot trees are

Pretty WTF right now

[untold mulch]

Just pisses me off, like I can basically change sides of the tree for free

"free"

[digital gazelle]

Im going for the infinite ammo recon lasgun

[untold mulch]

While with Vet I am paying 2 point premium

[untold mulch]

Cant do anymore

it was nerfed to the ground in patch 14

[digital gazelle]

whaaa

[tepid pagoda]

It was bad before that too but it was at least funny

Brrrrrr

[untold mulch]

Rending was nerfed

and Shocktrooper was changed in a way that ONLY affects Recon lineup

[sharp ember]

me loving dueling captains but then ogryn can just heavy attack and infinitely maintain toughness

[tepid pagoda]

Remove Scavenger and Shocktrooper

Thanks

Give Vet +50% ammo again or whatever

Just no more dumb ammo regen pls

[untold mulch]

VId was pretty good, but it wasn't the god tier some thought off

[tepid pagoda]

I mean they went from

Garbage never use

To

[digital gazelle]

so the build ive been looking at doesnt exist, damn

[tepid pagoda]

"I can actually shoot this gun"

Which is a big step

[undone cobalt]

But but but nade regen.

[wet pendant]

what happened to my weapin

[tepid pagoda]

[tepid pagoda]

Nade regen is fine because Vet nades are meh

[delicate moat]

emperor just gave me a 304 base rating gift

[untold mulch]

Still no clue why we got stuff like that

wouldn't have been smarter to reserve that for a Grenade focused tree?

[undone cobalt]

Krak grenades are packages of pure dopamine blessed by the God-Emperor, excuse you.

[tepid pagoda]

Yeah that's okay

But they aren't Zealot or Ogryn grenades

[sharp ember]

veteran grenadier is my favorite class

[untold mulch]

It may get fixed in the future patches, but is dead now

[frank ether]

4 frags my beloved

tho 3 with tinkerer better

[undone cobalt]

I dunno, the baby nuke is pretty good, but you only get one. The box of hurt seems really underwhelming other than the initial hit (at which point I might as well use rocks).

[frank ether]

I have to take 4 for pathing reasons

[digital gazelle]

whats another good build to go for? cause recon lasgun fucks up a lot of stuff still

[sharp ember]

yeah it fucks up trash mobs, that's about it

[stark hollow]

for MGXII what are the blessings im looking for? I know one of them is deadly accurate

[trim hemlock]

Headhunter, probably

[frank ether]

you dont rly wanna shoot at poxwalkers

and if you're gonna shoot gunners most other guns do that fine too

[tepid pagoda]

Yeah so imagine if you got a nuke every 60 seconds

[frank ether]

Idk recon is weird

[tepid pagoda]

Box of Hurt might not be as great idk, and rock already recharges

[stark hollow]

yea makes more sense than infernus i guess

[digital gazelle]

headhunter and infernus though

[undone cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-bomb-atom-bomb-hydrogen-bomb-explosion-gif-12313452

[trim hemlock]

Infernus sucks, unless you want to meme with Mg4 lasgun

[stark hollow]

would no respite be good on the MGXII?

[sharp ember]

consider migrating to MG1a if you want to use the Deadly Accurate + Headhunter setup, it's faster, more ammo, with only a little less damage. The MG12 is slow and hits so hard that it already 1-shots most enemies on headshot crit without DA

[trim hemlock]

It’s fine

[undone cobalt]

Found the clay viewer.

[frank ether]

I recommend fullauto mod for the faster firing lasguns

so you avoid carpal tunnel

[stark hollow]

ahhh im just trying to build up my mgXII currently

not sure what to slap on it apart from deadly accurate though

[digital gazelle]

also do the diff torches have different effects?

[sharp ember]

nah, just wider or narrower coverage depending on the gun

autopistol has the best flashlight

[forest maple]

Man, i brought a chain axe to auric T5 and damn is it terrible. Why the hell would normal swings rip through targets with an animation lock? This weapon just needs that removed and a little bit better cleave and its okay

[brisk umbra]

the worst part is, if you manage to never light attack it's even a good weapon

But if by any chance you missclick, you die

[kind scarab]

That is kinda what I'd define as a bad weapon

[digital gazelle]

Ive been using the Mk VI power sword

for veteran

[brisk umbra]

I just need to git good

[stark hollow]

or download a mod

that does your combos for you

so you dont get carpal tunnel

[kind scarab]

Nah, I like my melee like I like my (insert funny thing here)

completely hands on

[south prairie]

Just finished my first damnation match🥳

[stark hollow]

nice

how was your first time

[karmic musk]

Time for Auric

[brisk umbra]

i need to find an AI mod so i can just look at the screen and the game play itself

[south prairie]

Smooth as silk. Good team

Got a little woe because i brought knife instead of chainsword but rending pulled me through. And grenades, lots of grenades

[kind scarab]

At that point that's just being a bot

[karmic musk]

Its called Vermintide 2

[stark hollow]

was just thinking that

i need a servitor to play grind my plasteel for me\

[brisk umbra]

how dare you

[kind scarab]

Ain't my fault for speaking the truth

[stark hollow]

See the issue is you used the word AI

Servitors are much cooler

Only the Tau use AI

You aint a blue space commie are ya?

[kind scarab]

Servitors are just cheap AI

Made in China look'n ass

[finite imp]

Servitors aren't AI that's a human mind in there

[kind scarab]

That's exactly my point

Humans are just biocomputers

That's a cheap ass, mass produced AI

[stark hollow]

Wheres the fun in a robotic servant if you cant see the tortured pain in their eyes

[untold mulch]

Just realized the heavy stubber of Ogryn has 6 crit string

Must contain my salt about Recon

[stark hollow]

A lobotomy is just an obedience piercing

[kind scarab]

Why must you say something so unhinged, controversial and yet still correct.

[placid portal]

Ogryn crit rate is as high as a combat knife's length

[kind scarab]

Ogryns can get like, 30% crit on their stubber iirc

[placid portal]

wat

[stark hollow]

I am but a servant of the Omnisiah

[untold mulch]

💀

[placid portal]

did they change base crit for Stubbas?

[untold mulch]

I am not mad, I swear

[kind scarab]

Wasn't the base Crit 5%?

[untold mulch]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[stark hollow]

why crit when can use kickback and go boom

[placid portal]

so 8% lucky bullet + 8% on Massacre +5% on class

then +5 on Perk

[kind scarab]

Perk on the gun

[placid portal]

So 26%

[kind scarab]

Yeah, so that

Still way too much crit

[placid portal]

Oh well

[untold mulch]

And then

[placid portal]

Ogryn finesse modifer isn't high anyway

Esp on stubbas

[untold mulch]

5 more guarateed crits

[kind scarab]

You don't understand

[untold mulch]

Yeah someone at Fatshark hates Recon, I can't explain otherwise

[kind scarab]

You run this

[untold mulch]

it makes no sense

Reload is for the weak

[kind scarab]

With a psyker giving you more crit

And you effectively never have to reload

[placid portal]

Intriguing

[kind scarab]

Hell

[placid portal]

But I like Overwhelming + Blaze away for that monster Deeps

[untold mulch]

Shit I think the Psyker is not necesary

with 26% crit every "4" shots you are getting 10 bullets back in the mag

[round jetty]

veterans my beloved

[kind scarab]

It really isn't, but try it with Psyker giving crit and the zealot also giving you 5% crit

And you end up just never letting go of left click to murder everything

[untold mulch]

But Recon got to 2 crit string because it was too much

[kind scarab]

get yourself a vet to give you that 1% ammo

And you are golden

Just fucking walk through an auric maelstrom holding left click and never care about anything

[dusk idol]

turns out if you make a run go long enough you can make any build do ridiculous damage

[placid portal]

Love doing dakka and instantly recovering my Active charge from mag dumping stubba

[dusk idol]

850k damage with a tac axe and lawbringer

my hands are irrecoverably damaged

[placid portal]

Time to get chromed up

[dusk idol]

😭

[placid portal]

Is it more accurate to hip fire via tap fire with agri braced autos?

over bracing them?

🤔

[untold mulch]

oh dear lord, Charmed Reload + Overwhelming Fire

+50% power, nonstop

[kind scarab]

Yes

[placid portal]

Nah tbh charmed reload is better with blaze imo

[untold mulch]

I feel liek they are

[kind scarab]

Yes

[bold matrix]

Quick question, what would you change? I would change Opening Salvo for headhunter. Any suggenstions?

[placid portal]

Overwhelming is more single target like monsters

[placid portal]

Ye pretty much

[untold mulch]

Both look good enough

[kind scarab]

Overwhelming is all targets when you never run out of bullets

[placid portal]

Blaze maintains stacks via continuous fire

so kinda good pair with charmed

[tawdry hull]

i always wondered whats a salvo

[kind scarab]

True

Salvo = burst fire

[untold mulch]

Shots before recoil reset

[dusk idol]

^

[placid portal]

Salvo is the interval between after shooting and recovering from recoil

[sick marsh]

I can't find anything above deadly accurate 2 😭

[placid portal]

zan

Only find deadly acc III

[untold mulch]

I am actualyl slightly mad we don't get this shit as Vet

I want my fuller auto karking hell

[dusk idol]

i want a light stubber for vet

[placid portal]

Veteran should have a stubba

[bold matrix]

I know that feeling, took some time to get a few lvl 3 Blessings

[dusk idol]

what i wouldn't give

[untold mulch]

Hellgun

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/tachanka-rainbow-six-siege-lmg-gun-gif-21497597

Veteran with Stubba

[digital gazelle]

infinite ammo while doing vets skill would be nice

[sick marsh]

I have headhunter IV but can't find deadly accurate in 3 or 4 for my life... BOOO

[tawdry hull]

whats a salvo?

[placid portal]

I mean you sorta can do that with shock troopa

....

https://tenor.com/view/read-gif-25879491

[untold mulch]

Only for semiauto

[dusk idol]

this

mfw message isn't loading

[untold mulch]

Recon could, but was murdered 😔

Discord aint loading to mer too

[dusk idol]

shots before recoil reset

[untold mulch]

Yesterday they fell to me for 20min

[bold matrix]

I am saving Ordo dockets to just craft and find it that way. Pray to the Omnissiah!

[tawdry hull]

oh thanks

[digital gazelle]

whats the best option for veteran melee weap

[dusk idol]

💀

you're welcome

[tawdry hull]

discord shidding

[placid portal]

oof

delays?

[forest maple]

Chainsword/devil claw (4)/power sword/combat axe

[tawdry hull]

i think there is not best, but my favs are power sword, knife, chainsword, tac axe (basically any weapon can be good in the right build/rolls)

[dusk idol]

shovel

[forest maple]

What do you run on your tac axe and how do you deal with hordes

[placid portal]

Shovel is better for self defense

Over knife

[dusk idol]

shovel go bonk

shovel good

[placid portal]

[digital gazelle]

ive seen folks say the axe with brutal momentum is good too

[placid portal]

Shovel heavies are basically lights

Axe with Brutal Momentum is really nice

Antax Axe Swing pattern is horizontal

[forest maple]

"tactical" axe?

[placid portal]

ez Brutal Procs

[forest maple]

those are the small ones

[placid portal]

Combat

[dusk idol]

you spam M1 until you get carpal tunnel and kite back

[tawdry hull]

agripinaa braced ak-47 autogun

+stealth

[forest maple]

ah i see

[tawdry hull]

also can clear hordes just not as fast as power sword

[dusk idol]

you can deal with hordes with the tac axe it's just slow

[tawdry hull]

lotta fast hit lotta dodge

[dusk idol]

but who cares about speed when you can style on your enemies by axe punching them in the throat

[forest maple]

hmm gonna try a run with a tac axe

what do you run on it for blessings?

[frank ether]

more or less yes

[dusk idol]

i run shred + headtaker

[frank ether]

the only thing that will help your accuracy is volley fire

so dont bother bracing its a scam

[tawdry hull]

+atk speed and melee bleed skills

[dusk idol]

i don't use any of the melee tree for my tac axe

[placid portal]

Hmm good enough answer Tap fire and Hip fire is better than bracing Got it

[dusk idol]

the attack speed makes the second light miss on tac 7

[forest maple]

bracing is still a scam?

[dusk idol]

or it feels like it misses a lot more

[placid portal]

???

[tawdry hull]

but im not sure its like the most optimal build

[dusk idol]

my lawbringer + tac 7 run

[tawdry hull]

i just run whatever feels good

[dusk idol]

45 minutes 💀

[placid portal]

Optimal builds do be whatever you can make work at peak efficiency

[frank ether]

I mean its probably a tiny bit tighter but the thing is your only advantage over an infantry autogun is being able to hipfire somewhat accurately

so killing your mobility for tiny spread benefits is silly

[forest maple]

Got this for now... Change first perk to 25% flak or maniac you think?

[frank ether]

braced cone is large enough that you'd probably get more mileage out of literally just... walking forward

[tawdry hull]

i just like the feeling of autogun

i mean braced

[dusk idol]

maniac for me personally

[tawdry hull]

+it looks good

[placid portal]

braced Agripinaa is the best looking imo

[tawdry hull]

xd

[frank ether]

here is the rough cone of agri braced auto when fired in small bursts

[forest maple]

so keep infested and roll maniac?

[placid portal]

Long Barrel and mean dakka

[frank ether]

I dont have the best stability roll and I dont care

[dusk idol]

yeah, i have maniac + weakspot

lets you one heavy flamers

[placid portal]

Maniac really helps against alot of specialists

[dusk idol]

infested will probably let you one hit dogs mid pounce

[placid portal]

specifically flamer/trappers

[tawdry hull]

its a close range weapon... not for sniping

i run dumdum iirc xd

dont even remember

[placid portal]

I mean braced can do a bit in mid range

so like 15~20ms

[frank ether]

this patch just better off columnus iag

[dusk idol]

just keep in mind

[placid portal]

Yikes

[dusk idol]

it's not the most ideal melee

[frank ether]

beats all the brrautos

[dusk idol]

it lacks in the damage per hit department

but your special can stunlock pretty much anything so long as it's alone

[forest maple]

Can't be worse than chain axe and i made the run work. Thanks for the heads up though

[placid portal]

Braced got buffs but outmatched by IAGs

[dusk idol]

it is indeed

[placid portal]

At least chain axe has a cleave combo

[tawdry hull]

when i started playing I liked tac axe better than power sword, it helped me to stay mobile

[frank ether]

It doesnt feel like that to me

[dusk idol]

better than the chainaxe

[placid portal]

[frank ether]

the only buff I noticed is that my agri has a few more rounds per mag

[forest maple]

Yeah, tha agri IAG is pretty much my go to weapon

insanely strong and accurate

[frank ether]

bracing still very much feels like a scam

[placid portal]

ye

[frank ether]

hipfire is decent though with volley fire

thats like the part of the gun that works well

you move while shooting

[tawdry hull]

what combo ur using?

[frank ether]

and it works

[placid portal]

Push Attack + light

[tawdry hull]

light-heavy-light-heavy?

ohhh xd

[dusk idol]

the lights on the chainaxe make me feel physically ill

[forest maple]

chainaxe is unusable

atm for me

[placid portal]

Push attack > Light(could get stuck but does cleave) > Heavy or Do push attack again

Chainaxe needs some adjustment and love

[dusk idol]

that latch on is terrible

[placid portal]

if it killed then maybe it'll be better

[forest maple]

No, just straight up remove it

doesnt need to latch on to anything other than revving specials

attacks

[quartz forum]

should i change any blessing?

[dusk idol]

shattering impact to blaze awaay

[sharp ember]

bracing is for squatting and squeezing, too much spread if you keep walking with it unless you just want the recoil reduction

[dusk idol]

the way this keyboard will randomly double my inputs

[quartz forum]

hmmm

[dusk idol]

keep volatile since it affects your damage positively

[placid portal]

and deadshot never working on plasma since Day 1

[dusk idol]

and you'll be all sweets

i don't think they'll change it honestly

i want them to but i don't think they will

[placid portal]

I love crits

Purge Enemy HP into oblivion

[carmine cradle]

Plasma gun my beloved

[slow spade]

Plasma gun has been my bread and butter lately

[dusky flare]

You should change the whole damn gun, it has 61 stopping power

[slow spade]

Its Helbore but removes all the weaknesses (except now it needs ammo lol)

[carmine cradle]

If u take some extra damage against unyielding you can more reliably 1shot reapers

To the head

With a charged shot

[slow spade]

Yeah 61% means you need charged shots sadly

[carmine cradle]

100 cleave is just as useful as it initially seems

[winter parrot]

Is Vet weak compared to other classes? A guy I play with constantly complains about Vet being shit

[carmine cradle]

I wouldn’t say so

It’s just that I think vet has less really strong options than other classes

[dusky flare]

talent tree is definitely shit, it's just carried by currently overtuned gear so that it gets by

[delicate estuary]

when are they fixing the veteran penance

REEEEEEEEEEE

I cant get my cool hat

[winter parrot]

I definitely see him dying more but I'm not sure if that's a skill issue or just Ogryn and Zealot being immortal at all times 🤷

[grizzled pebble]

Vet shout right now is incredibly op.

[delicate estuary]

depends on what you run

[carmine cradle]

Insta revive is real good

[delicate estuary]

if you run shout/inflitrate

you are super safe

you run executioners stance and you do 1 positioning mistake and you just die

[placid portal]

Shout is Ultra safe overall

[grizzled pebble]

I don't use the revive shout. It makes cd longer. I just use the over shield toughness shout and spam it.

[placid portal]

Nah we already have a revive safety net

It's called a grenade

Woe, a Grenade upon Yee

[delicate estuary]

executioners stance just doesnt offer anything of great value atm compared to other options imo

[placid portal]

Still good for pinpointing special/elites for lasguns

Esp for lucius

[delicate estuary]

thats assuming people are paying attention

[placid portal]

For yourself ofc

[delicate estuary]

lucius arguably can do more damage with inflitrate

literall one shots

[winter parrot]

How much does the loadout and weapon min-maxing matter? We're mostly playing Auric 4s with modifiers such as shock troop gauntlet and other than said vet our party haven't had issues even when using random weapons with decently high power number

[delicate estuary]

while keeping you safe

I am just coping trying to make exe stance mk12 work in pubs

but shit is hard

[placid portal]

It's more like Higher Power means more stats on weapon and good blessing/perks

[placid portal]

Try swapping M12 with m1a

M1a really slaps rn

[delicate estuary]

1% - 5% differences wont matter that much if you are consistent

[delicate estuary]

yea soon I will convert to papa nurgle so he can give me more plasteel than FS ever will

[placid portal]

Wait

[delicate estuary]

playing aurics and getting the same rewards as normal T5s

[placid portal]

Lmao

[delicate estuary]

making me wanna speedrun normal T5s instead

[kind scarab]

That's exactly what I do

[placid portal]

I aint saving you if you get hounded

jk

[delicate estuary]

yea but after 5 games I just go sleep

its super sleeper

[kind scarab]

The price we pay for plasteel

[dusky flare]

standard t5 pubs make me wonder why i ever switched off the auric board

[delicate estuary]

I need to start a pyramid scheme

[winter parrot]

Weapons don't matter that much? I've seen that the plasma is pretty good, other than I have no idea because I've not played Vet a lot 😛

[delicate estuary]

to have my account being used 24 hours

always farming

[placid portal]

Hmm yes ~1.3k~1.9k for 400~600 plasteel

[dusky flare]

had 3 teammates get wiped in low int t5, just send me back to stg i swear

[delicate estuary]

you asked about min maxing maybe I missunderstood

if you want something easy

[placid portal]

so ~~every 30 kill is 1 plasteel

[delicate estuary]

do shout vet with plasma gun

[placid portal]

[carmine cradle]

Do all vet with plasma gun

[delicate estuary]

shout vet plasma gun and either bleed or krak nades is fairly standard nowadays

[carmine cradle]

Plasma gun op

[placid portal]

hella dumb

[carmine cradle]

It’s gets to shoot through a wall

[placid portal]

shoot through walls/bulwarks and anythign you don't like

[carmine cradle]

Yessir

[delicate estuary]

shout vet, plasma is proabbly the most consistent build imo

[winter parrot]

Well to be honest that was two questions, one about min maxing and the other about loadout mattering :P. For instance I'd rather just not play than use any of the awful axes on psyker, I assume it's the same for vet for a lot of weapons

[placid portal]

Plasma is just straight up a killer weapon

[carmine cradle]

Best gun, would equip it on every class other than psyker if I could

[slow spade]

Yeah I used to use Helbore sharpshooter

But Plasma VoC is just such a carry build I use it all the time

[delicate estuary]

a lot of weapons are usable. You can use the mk4 and mk1 devils claws, powersword, knife, shovel, tactical axes, rashad axes

those are all solid melee options

[carmine cradle]

With powercycler powersword

[delicate estuary]

powersword is a bit harder to use cause it has almost 0 mobility

[slow spade]

I can do quickplay damnations to get tons of plasteel with that build

[delicate estuary]

so if you get overwhelmed its very hard to bounce back

but it can stagger ragers and maulers

[carmine cradle]

Whoah wild dark age of tech technology is super strong

Who’d of thunk it

[slow spade]

Wait till they add Phospherex weapons

[delicate estuary]

everything is strong with enough hallucinogenics

[slow spade]

I want to 1-shot terminators

[carmine cradle]

No

[placid portal]

Not an easy task

[slow spade]

Too late Phospherex pistol go brrr

[slow spade]

It is with a big enough gun

Volcano cannon for Vet when?

[placid portal]

[carmine cradle]

I want a warhammer game in the style of darktide but u play as salamanders against orks

[placid portal]

Fuck it might as well bring a knight for the Mission

[gusty bison]

To summarize, every gun except the recon is viable at the highest tier of play

[placid portal]

[slow spade]

I'm sad Salamanders of all factions don't have phospherex

[gusty bison]

To the point where it comes down to playstyle and preference

[placid portal]

You can still make recon work

just not at the best

[delicate estuary]

recon is viable too just need to opt into onslaugh and use the heavier version of it

[carmine cradle]

Like for the elimination missions why not just send a singular assassin?

[delicate estuary]

I cant remember the MK name

[gusty bison]

Recon is difficult to use but you can win with it

Ye

[slow spade]

Recon just can't handle ragers which is my main issue

[umbral scaffold]

is there any way to fix this gun to usability?

[tawdry hull]

i did recon build

but

[placid portal]

Too much hassle to contact the assassin guilds

[slow spade]

The kill time on ragers is way too long imo

[tawdry hull]

it was pain

[placid portal]

easier to send reject to kill them

[delicate estuary]

yes you scrap it

[carmine cradle]

Eh fair

[delicate estuary]

you got 3 bad stuff that needs fixing sadly

[umbral scaffold]

ok

[carmine cradle]

Did u steal all muh flowers?

[umbral scaffold]

indeed

[placid portal]

If that wasn't enough the rejects are so good at killing sanctioned assassination targets it's far better to do so than losing a valuable assassin

[delicate estuary]

I guess you could make it work with unarmoured

[placid portal]

[delicate estuary]

but unarmoured only applies on dreg gunners ?

[carmine cradle]

Give ‘em back I was saving those for hadron

[placid portal]

Ye,

Dreg gunner have more HP than flak

So elite dmg bonus is nice

[gusty sonnet]

Can be decent with an infiltrate + low threat build? Just gotta replace armoured and terrifying barrage and it's good to go

[delicate estuary]

yea so you could replace both blessings and keep perks as is just know that your second perk is only useful against dreg gunners @umbral scaffold

[celest vine]

The dreg faction in general is unarmored

[carmine cradle]

You know what CAN consistently one shot a drag gunner?

[celest vine]

Except the heads of the melee ones

[carmine cradle]

Charged plasma shot

[celest vine]

Theyre flak

[slow spade]

Dregs mostly have flak or maniac

[delicate estuary]

dont say a plasma gun

god damn it

[placid portal]

A lucius, revolver, plasmagun, and at a long stretch a Kantrael

[slow spade]

Dreg gunners also have flak armor chests

[celest vine]

Bodiesare unarmored

[carmine cradle]

Well it’s TRUE

[delicate estuary]

but can they reduce the ready up time of the bolter man

shit is garbage

[slow spade]

Ah was thinking the specialists and elites

[celest vine]

Stalker, melee, most are inarmored

[delicate estuary]

you pull out a plamsa gun like you pull out a 9mm

[gusty sonnet]

ccan't you cheat it with exe's stance?

[carmine cradle]

Yeah but U still got the fire delay

[delicate estuary]

optiing into exes stance with bolter

[placid portal]

I think they should not rack the damn boltgun everytime you pull it out

YOU ALREADY RACKED THAT SHIT 2 SEcONDS AGO

[delicate estuary]

thats a cap

[carmine cradle]

On the plasma gun

[placid portal]

Fire delay is negligable

[delicate estuary]

you can animation cancel the attack with a melee swap

[celest vine]

To be fair most cultists will die from one hit anyway

[delicate estuary]

just dont miss

or complain at your psyker for assailing carapace

[placid portal]

why do we even rack the boltgun AGAIN?

[delicate estuary]

and not the specials/elites

bothw orks

[delicate estuary]

probably was designed around the same family of animation as autoguns and was left over

[celest vine]

Unarmored is good for flamers

[placid portal]

If that wasn't enough Hancannon Revolver 2 shots maulers/crushers

[carmine cradle]

Plasma gun + power sword + crack/shredder frags is probably the best u can do for a versatile vet build

[placid portal]

Flamers are maniac

[celest vine]

Groaners are not infested, they are unarmored

I meant the zealot flamethrower

[placid portal]

Ye still maniac

[celest vine]

No a gun is not a maniac

[carmine cradle]

Both flamers are maniac

Honestly not sure why there are 2

[celest vine]

Im taliing about the zealots eauipable flamer

[placid portal]

ye I dunno you should check it out yourself

Ah

[celest vine]

💀💀💀💀💀💀

[placid portal]

We need a pocket flamer

[slow spade]

Because red > green and green > red camps in Fatshark were fighting

[gusty sonnet]

the dreg one give corruption. 🤷‍♂️

[placid portal]

Green fire-burning make Health-life go Corrupt-Cursed!

[languid dune]

Green fire looks neat so they added both

[carmine cradle]

Not that it matters, if ur standing in flames long enough to get corrupted ur probably also dead

[slow spade]

Ogryn 💪

[delicate estuary]

just jump over the fire

[carmine cradle]

True

[placid portal]

Flamer & Bomber fires will still strip toughness

compared to red barrel fire

[slow spade]

Fucks your toughness sadly but true

[delicate estuary]

well health is more important than toughness

[placid portal]

no toughness means Health gets chunked

[gusty sonnet]

until a gunner shoows up

[delicate estuary]

run bomber damage curios so you can just take bomber kicks up the bum

[gusty bison]

No toughness = hopefully u have thy grenades be swift

[placid portal]

[delicate estuary]

enter stealth mode and send everything to your pubs

😎

[placid portal]

only to realise your other 3 teammates are also stealth

[bold ibex]

i happy

Just wish its penetration wasn't bad D;

[placid portal]

[gusty bison]

What is this, 4 solo damnation players in an arena trying to see who can get the others killed first?

[slow spade]

Hp is useless for vet compared to toughness

[delicate estuary]

@winter parrot I forgot to mention chainsword is also good

[slow spade]

As the only hp point that matters is the last one

[placid portal]

Quickplay in a nutshel

[delicate estuary]

just cause HP is useless doesnt mean you should just walk through fire when you can jump over it and not take any HP damage

[placid portal]

Duunno I prefer having it full

[delicate estuary]

[placid portal]

😎

[slow spade]

mark daemonhost -> Ogryn fragbombs it UwU

[placid portal]

and ogryn still wins Daemonhost wrestle

[slow spade]

Martyrdom Zealot thinks thats cringe UwU

[placid portal]

ma'am this a vet chat

[slow spade]

?

Its always been Zealot chat

[placid portal]

[kind scarab]

My game yesterday, where my mans magdumped into a horde fully knowing there was a fucking demonhost behind it

[delicate estuary]

stinky zealots begone

[kind scarab]

Successfully killing himself and my friend

[slow spade]

D:

[kind scarab]

Sheo ain't stinky tho

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/stinky-plane-f5e-missile-avoid-gif-8730128341085599982

[kind scarab]

Unless you find the blood of our enemies stinky

[slow spade]

Lol yeah I legit spec'd my plasma VoC build solely to kill bosses

[placid portal]

which it is

[slow spade]

Because shitters in Damnation keep aggroing the daemonhost

[placid portal]

Them Poxxies drink the water from the tap

[slow spade]

I had one game where 2 daemonhosts were aggro'd lol

[placid portal]

how the fuck is there 2 daemon hosts?

[slow spade]

Thankfully shield ogryn was the one that aggro'd it both times

[delicate estuary]

I queued with a pub in maelstrom that proceeded to aggro 2 DHs in a row causing us to wipe only to queue in with him by accident just for him to once again aggro yet another 2DHs

quite the experience I might say

[gusty bison]

Was he using a kickback?

[slow spade]

Spawn director knew the team was "dumb" enough to aggro them

[placid portal]

Kickback?

[slow spade]

Na was using rumbler

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/pochita-salsa-spinning-spanish-chainsaw-man-gif-27516999

[gusty bison]

Probably why

Suppression aggros daemonhost

[placid portal]

Rumbler really nice as shieldgryn

[gusty bison]

And rumbler has massive suppression radius

[slow spade]

It wasn't actually, the ogryn just ran into it both times

[gusty bison]

Oh lol

[slow spade]

The 2nd one we weren't even fighting

He literally just jumped on top of it after we left it alone

"Oh fuck" he says

[celest vine]

Compensates for no ogryn bomb

[gusty bison]

Certified blind as fuck

[slow spade]

Indeed

First mission where I almost ran dry on my plasma lol

[placid portal]

Luv me box o hurt

[slow spade]

I use rock myself

[celest vine]

Well you throw the bomb at two things

[slow spade]

But frag bomb seems more useful imo

[celest vine]

Bosses, or crusher hoards

[slow spade]

I throw it because my team can't hordeclear

[placid portal]

especially hiliarious given how they throw TWO WHOLE DAMN GRENADE BOX FROM ONE BOX PICKUP

[celest vine]

Adhesive charge lets you stick the bosses from a distance

[placid portal]

WHAT

[placid portal]

Adhesive does funny stuff vs monsters

[slow spade]

Rumbler + adhesive charge

Hadron pls give me

[delicate estuary]

I throw it cause big boom

[placid portal]

Big chunky dmg bc you always take Heavy weight

[languid dune]

What stat do you prioritise and dump on Plas?

[delicate estuary]

everytime I see grenade box

it goes yeet

until next grenade box

[slow spade]

Damage and Stopping Power

[placid portal]

Grenade box is fun bc I kill enemy with box and clear area

[slow spade]

Thermal resistance is great if you use Blaze Away

[delicate estuary]

but big boom

[slow spade]

Charge rate is dump stat if you don't use charged shots

[delicate estuary]

and you can also claim ownership of every grenade in the game

[languid dune]

Prioritise both I assume?

[slow spade]

Yes

Here's mine for context

I use maniac to 2-shot ragers

Flak because I couldn't get Unyielding

Charge rate apparently affects dps

[languid dune]

Doesn't charge rate affect damage? Could've swore I remember reading that somewhere

[delicate estuary]

apparently 73% charge rate is what you want at all times

[slow spade]

Yes

[delicate estuary]

because of how server ticks work

but honestly

I couldnt care less

too much RNG to get a 73% charge rate plasma gun

[slow spade]

I have 69% so my gun loses 0.3% damage

Got to get another pladma

Oh btw don't fuck up like I did

There's no Blaze Away 4

[languid dune]

Not god roll, trash it

[delicate estuary]

ye just download the mod that shows all blessings

[slow spade]

The plasma I posted is literally only missing 5% flak

[delicate estuary]

so you dont fuck up like sheo

[slow spade]

:p

I have PLENTY of plasmas to work with now at least

[languid dune]

On Xbox atm I'll make sure to read up on blessings though

[delicate estuary]

good

maybe console players should boycott sony and microsoft to get nice things

jk I know thats impossible

just sad that console players dont get acces to what PC peoepl get access to

[slow spade]

Indeed

[languid dune]

How does blaze away work when it says continuous fire? I assume that's just what it says on the tin?

[kind ore]

Ye just fire

[languid dune]

So shooting constantly

[kind ore]

One shot weapons get it too, just fire

[pine plume]

Only thing console players get access to is free aquilas

[slow spade]

1 shot = 1 stack

[placid portal]

Spam left click for 1 round weapons

no ADS or delay after reloading

[slow spade]

So just spam firing uncharged shots is usually more damage than charged shots

[placid portal]

yep

that way you get 10% power every shots consecutive

[delicate estuary]

I usually only do charged shots if I Can get a good lineup

[languid dune]

I assume quickly venting will reset it though

[delicate estuary]

pretty decent in the mostly melee modifier

[slow spade]

I only do charged shots to shoot past walls

[delicate estuary]

also you can animation left click the plasma gun

and swap to your melee

if you need to kill a trapper or something

'animation cancel

[slow spade]

Like if a sniper thinks its clever shooting at my team out of my LoS

[eternal canyon]

Any suggestions on what changes to make?

[slow spade]

Hammerblow is shit I'd probably get Rampage ( the damage on 3 targets hit one)

[spare wolf]

Is it just me

Or smoke grenades are utterly useless

[slow spade]

They are

[spare wolf]

No actually gives you disadvantages to the team

[delicate estuary]

hammerblow to rampage and unarmoured to flak would be my suggestion

[slow spade]

They do nothing (except stagger) to melee and only obscure ranged

[delicate estuary]

it only does if people dont ping

and pubs tend to do exactly that

[spare wolf]

And i mostly play pub games

What a shame

[delicate estuary]

I will give smoke nades a try with pubs

but I can already see it

[slow spade]

I run shredder nades (with zealots and ogryns)

And kraks

But never smoke

[delicate estuary]

I am thinking what you can do is smoke nade yourself and run exe stance @spare wolf

only roblem with that

smoke nades are right side and exe stance is left side

[spare wolf]

And there's not many rooms for veteran's skill tree

[eternal canyon]

ah alright I wasnt sure if the 4% melee crit chance was worth keeping