veteran-class

[past knot]

Which of the headhunters are good?

[astral blade]

fuck sakes i hate ammo goblins

[south spindle]

I went the other way, was using Uncanny, tried SC4 an yeah, against nearly every target TTK is faster with SC/Deci', but most of that is because SC was buffed, but the tooltip wasnt updated. (This is on a build using Onslaught and Rending Strikes tho, if you've not got these bonus' already, Uncanny will still be betteR)

Can't 'member exactly what the change was, but its pretty substantial

[plush dragon]

Push strong push?

[golden axle]

the vraks i believe iirc

[slow spade]

you can't stop me

[bitter turtle]

Vraks 3 and 7 are both gud

[slow spade]

I'm GOING to steal the ammo

[plush dragon]

III and VII

[past knot]

Mk3?

[floral finch]

do i buy

[past knot]

Ah

[plush dragon]

IX is still broken

(two shot)

[astral blade]

question which class is the most selfish in terms of ammo?

[plush dragon]

le random half dps

veteran

[astral blade]

is it zealots?

[floral finch]

vet easy

[half wigeon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9a8d560c-44e4-4ed3-b345-9d3c8cbf0c19

[midnight rune]

I like the single shot one, burst on a precision weapon never felt right to me

[half wigeon]

IS it okay ?

[slow spade]

psykers

[plush dragon]

so true

https://tenor.com/view/lexa-yes-clexa-the100-alycia-debnam-carey-gif-14801945

[past knot]

Honestky too much clicking for my lazy fingers

[half wigeon]

If anyonne that play laspistols Can give me advice of this build

[golden axle]

cries in combat blade

[bitter turtle]

Imagine a recon lasgun vet with smoke grenades and move speed aura

[plush dragon]

use the mk3 and enjoy le triple burst pull down simulator

[bitter turtle]

That ammo huffing

[past knot]

My biggest problem is ammo on it you have to make shots count i cant just spray and pray

[midnight rune]

But vet also hands out ammo to the team (I assume you’re taking survival)

[golden axle]

they can blind you before you make it to the ammo and scoop it for themselves

[astral blade]

here the thing just had a zealot last game stealing most of the ammo

[plush dragon]

if u run the buf

[past knot]

reason I sold the blade after 2 missions

[slow spade]

I mean if you have a piercing weapon like plasma, you can mag dump and probably hit someone somewhere

[bitter turtle]

That too, they'll hide every ammo pack

[plush dragon]

y tho>

[bitter turtle]

And no meleeing hordes, they use knife

[slow spade]

its the ultimate farming plasteel build

[placid portal]

Shout is just super strong

[plush dragon]

zealot has trash ranged dps talents

[golden axle]

VoC is absurd

[floral finch]

vet is the gun class though, makes since they need the ammo more

[midnight rune]

But it’s a headhunter, you should be making precise shots anyway, it’s not a braced autogun

[slow spade]

your team has no excuse for dying with VoC active

so you can just go loot plasteel

[placid portal]

Unless gravity

[half wigeon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9a8d560c-44e4-4ed3-b345-9d3c8cbf0c19

Anyonne Can give me advice ?

[slow spade]

fucking true

[past knot]

Ngl it shakes it like its trying to impress hadron jesus that recoil

[slow spade]

I've lost 2 games so far because I died and the team fell apart

[plush dragon]

spam f and blame team if lose cause u r not shouting 👍

[placid portal]

I dunno about you but I like keeping barrels unlit

[past knot]

I mean thats true but still I like my freedom of shooting normal ranged peeps

[slow spade]

brb respecing all my curios for cooldown reduct

[midnight rune]

Whip out your melee weapon and start taking all the melee kills, see how he feels!

[placid portal]

Then I light it up to send enemies and teammates flying

[plush dragon]

weapon kick is a stat now at least. :/ deadshot stamina builds too!

[past knot]

Deadshot

[slow spade]

lol that poor trapped dude

[past knot]

Whats that

[plush dragon]

talent

left side 3rd stage

[past knot]

Stamina one?

Crit

[plush dragon]

converts stamina to focus fire

ye

[placid portal]

Dedshot apparently reduces sway but cqnt tell

[past knot]

Unless I'm using revolver no shot i take that hell no

[plush dragon]

the IX is cool cause it only costs two stacks of stamina but they changed how it works finally

so MK3 is gangster

and 7 is free

[placid portal]

Try pairing deadshot with duck and dive

[past knot]

It does by a ton atleast mk3 headhunt

[plush dragon]

this!

[bitter turtle]

Drop iron will and get ogryn dmg or extra grenades you coward

[past knot]

What that do

[plush dragon]

monstrosity kill build tbh

[bitter turtle]

Jk

[past knot]

Duck and dive

[half wigeon]

Lmaooo

[placid portal]

30% stamina recovery on dodging ranged

[plush dragon]

Plus 30% stamina on dodge

[placid portal]

Big money imo

Stack +3 stamina and ads forever

[plush dragon]

so you sidestep with a ghost trigger and free focus fire

non stop

just like some trash mob will fuck you

[placid portal]

Even with 8 stamina you can recover 2.4 stamina for 2 seconds and 3 shots worth of 25% crit

[past knot]

How do you dodge ranged while aiming what am I missing

[plush dragon]

space

rebind jump to alt btw

pro tip

[bitter turtle]

Have you pressed space button before

[past knot]

[golden axle]

mmmm, i think it might be ogryn with FNP

theyre just so valuable to the team

[past knot]

Ok yeah that a good point

[past knot]

Imagine dodging

[half wigeon]

Jumping kinda useless in this game

[bitter turtle]

Dodging is for cowards and dex builds

[half wigeon]

That's why i take Iron will

[gritty mirage]

vaulting over rails/boxes pretty useful tho :v

[half wigeon]

Facing straight AT gunners and shooting a them not movin

[golden axle]

dunno, playing ogryn feels sooooo strong atm with bull/kickback and a bull/FNP build

[bitter turtle]

Yeah, face the other gunners honorably. I only fight enemy with their own weapons

[half wigeon]

Real men 🗿

[bitter turtle]

I only kill bombers with grenades

I engage in honorable melee duels with ragers, no guns allowed

Or dodging

[golden axle]

I do play maelstrom 😮

oh like, SOLO solo?

oh yeah, i wouldnt know anything about that

[bitter turtle]

Ogryn is good at inflating their dmg scoreboard by mowing down horses tho

[golden axle]

fuck them horses

[bitter turtle]

And we all know that's what really matters

[golden axle]

🐴

[bitter turtle]

Yes horses

Hordes too, even

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/pochita-salsa-spinning-spanish-chainsaw-man-gif-27516999

Kickback?

[upper dock]

worth?

[placid portal]

Nice

Just change perks

Maybe even raking but thats on you

[upper dock]

I have never used the IAGs so I have no clue which one is the good one

[bitter turtle]

Preference

All 3 are good

[placid portal]

Agripinaa is a good all rounder precision tool

[bitter turtle]

Columnus is the most popular tho

[upper dock]

Isn't that the braced autogun?

[placid portal]

Columnus is brrrt but agripina puts enemies down in 3 shots

[placid portal]

Nah same manufactorum thats all

[bitter turtle]

There's an iag and braced variant for all 3

[dusty nacelle]

All the IAGs have a braced variant

[bitter turtle]

If I had to say

[astral blade]

ahhhh

[bitter turtle]

Columnus leans more into spraying and high close quarters damage, can take down armor faster bc onslaught fast stacks

Agri is better for sniping and longer range engagements

[placid portal]

Mid long range

[bitter turtle]

But they're all jack of all trades weapons anyway

[placid portal]

Cqnt do well in extreme distances bc sights

Kekw

[dusty nacelle]

Columnus is still more than good enough to kill snipers at long range and things anyways it's just wut u prefer it to excel at the most

[bitter turtle]

Columnus can take out far targets well enough

[placid portal]

If you can handle recoil

[bitter turtle]

And agri is fine at mowing horses down too, esp with cleave

Graia in the middle

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa Mk1 IAG has cleave?

[bitter turtle]

Ya

[placid portal]

Yee

[tall torrent]

What targets does it cleave

[astral blade]

this bad boy is not a braced baka

[placid portal]

1 Regular

[jaunty spindle]

Is the difference between the power swords just the moveset?

[placid portal]

Pretty much

[dusty nacelle]

well ya there's the infantry autoguns and the braced autoguns

[valid apex]

Ya

[unique oracle]

if anybody wants to do on overwatch penance or other, message me

[tall torrent]

Does it cleave through bruisers (both)

[jaunty spindle]

And I'm assuming the vi is just better

[dusty nacelle]

Each infantry variant has its own braced variant and vice versa

[placid portal]

Mk6 has some insane 2 shot combos

[dusty nacelle]

so there's a columnus braced and a columnus infantry

[astral blade]

make sure to get ya facts straight next time

[dusty nacelle]

But I did???

[placid portal]

Agripinaa definitely knows how to make hard hitting guns

[dusty nacelle]

i'm so confused

[bitter turtle]

Also just mod the sights out :^)

[placid portal]

Lmao

Nah

Ironsights are better for target acquisition for me

[past knot]

So whats close range?

[astral blade]

huh iron sights suck those

[placid portal]

8meter radius

[past knot]

Oh

Thats too close

[placid portal]

Clearly a krill issue

[dusty nacelle]

not so shrimple

[placid portal]

Yea close enough to disable killzone and take a breath

It used to be 15ms

[astral blade]

yeah yeah i'll happily take mah reflex sight over iron sights anyday

[bitter turtle]

8m if the game refers to close range dmg and shit

[astral blade]

no krill issue there

[past knot]

God thats a nerf if I've seen one but well

[placid portal]

Just dont like reflex sights difficult to align to glowy sights

Maybe accratan mk2 variant is really good sights

[astral blade]

take reflex sight 2 than

probs the best one out of the 3

[bitter turtle]

I like reflex 3

Reflex 1 suggs

[placid portal]

I have trouble aiming with reflex sights for revolver xp

[bitter turtle]

I don't reflex on revolver ye

[placid portal]

Iron sights just feel more natural for me

[bitter turtle]

It looks weird

[placid portal]

Tru

The iron base helps align shots easier imo

But accratan mk2 variant sight is definitely a good sight for general purpose

[astral blade]

i mean the iron sights on the col are dogshit

it better with reflex

as you can see

[placid portal]

Ye for lucius and revolver I say no to reflex

[astral blade]

the helbore def needs sights

[placid portal]

Nah

[gusty bison]

Nah helbore sights are ok. Esp the 3. 3 has the best

[placid portal]

Just think your shots are always in the middle

Let empra guide you

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/db45766e23750b944790afacedfa6cb1.png

Rate my columnus

[placid portal]

Lmao nicr

[bitter turtle]

It's adorable

[placid portal]

Shredda 2.0

[astral blade]

i'll take a reflex sight on my helbore any day

[gusty bison]

MP40/10

Mag is too fat for a mp40 thou xD

[placid portal]

Fine by me go ahead

Ye bc autoguns seem to use .308

[gusty bison]

The IAG sights i agree are probably the worst at long ranges

But id still take irons over reflex on them personally

Just dont like the Darktide reflex sights

[placid portal]

While MP40 is named "Machine Pistole" 40

Using 9x19 mm parrabellum

[gusty bison]

Wheres my Red fuckin Dot.

[frank ether]

helbore irons are fine

unless you have eyesight problems or playing on 720p

[placid portal]

Red dot? Thats chaos corruption friend

[placid portal]

Then you let empra decide whether you live or die

[frank ether]

the higher you go on resolution the better-er ironsights get

[placid portal]

Dont need to see when empra gives me aimbot

[frank ether]

thats assail

[past knot]

Soo ik we talking boyt iron sights but what blessing do I put on boltor?

[bitter turtle]

Actually it has a ripper round magazine now lul

[gusty bison]

Surgical + Pinning fire

[placid portal]

Ye but lucius shots are always middle

[frank ether]

the recoil/spread buffs of volley fire are completely irrelevant for helbore

[past knot]

Ah yes the sniper boltor

[placid portal]

Or shatter pinning for mag dumping

[frank ether]

so its just down to your aim rly

[gusty bison]

Ah yes the one that makes ur teammates sad

[placid portal]

Not really

[past knot]

Wait why

[gusty bison]

I think mag dumping kills crushers slower than surgical now

[placid portal]

7 shots kill heavies

[gusty bison]

100 rounds of ammo is not a lot

[placid portal]

6 if fully stacking pinning

[astral blade]

reflex sights vs iron sights on the col

iron sights on the col are crap anyways

[frank ether]

I feel like certain vet weapons need more recoil as a balancing metric

[gusty bison]

Oh god that reflex shakes SO MUCH

No ty

[frank ether]

right now you can just put fullauto mod on a lot of guns and it will be very optimal because there is zero reason to pace your shots

[past knot]

Ah well true

[gusty bison]

Bolter atm very much is a 1 tap focused weapon

[past knot]

Kinda lore accurate

[placid portal]

Ye but you dont use boltgun for the normie mobs so gun down high priority targets

[past knot]

Still wish it had more

[placid portal]

Oomph?

[gusty bison]

Plus also the high finesse mult + crit build means ur better off ads aiming

[past knot]

Yep I figured after trying it just now not sure how to feel about it

[gusty bison]

Cos u do like 3x damage on an aimed crit headshot

[astral blade]

heh you're funny the reflex sight wasn't even shaking i'm just using a controller

[placid portal]

Ye boltgun seems to have really good crit mult similar to weakpoint

[past knot]

Should I use deadshot with it?

[gusty bison]

Its shaking a lot whatcha mean

[gusty bison]

Yes

[past knot]

Ah

[placid portal]

Well at least surgical pinning can do the same like crouch dakka if needed

[frank ether]

the amount of real recoil on col when standing still is very tiny

its just visual shake

[astral blade]

than i pity you it means you dont know how to handle reflex sights properly

[frank ether]

its the easiest gun to beam with

but take one step forward and recoil triples

[placid portal]

Ye my shaky ass aint standing still

[gusty bison]

Nah the other IAGs have higher recoil

Er

Lower recoil

My bad

Columus has the worst recoil of the IAGs

[astral blade]

i've said my statement i'll die on this hill

[placid portal]

Not sure agripinaa still kicks like a mule but more managable

[frank ether]

If columnus has the worst then all IAGs need their recoil doubled

[gusty bison]

Nah its just not as good as the front post for long range bursts

[placid portal]

Lmao

[gusty bison]

Nah the agri now is a laser beam

[bitter turtle]

Agri is really easy to control

[gusty bison]

Like an actual laser beam

Graia is mostly a laser beam

[frank ether]

Aight vet chat

[bitter turtle]

Feels like the recoil might as well not exist

[frank ether]

I'm gonna make some more iags

already have a decent col

[candid tundra]

is the knife any good on vet?

[frank ether]

so which one should I make now

[gusty bison]

Graia is solid

[placid portal]

You could make it work

[astral blade]

meh i can handle mid to close range just fine

[bitter turtle]

I like it but it's objectively a weaker weapon on vet imo

[frank ether]

what about the two agris? recoil shouldnt be a problem I wanna know which one is cracked

[bitter turtle]

Im addicted to the mobility tho

[candid tundra]

currently I'm using the chainsword but after a lot of time using it, I feel like I can get something better

[placid portal]

Knife mobility fun

[gusty bison]

IAG? Theres only 1 agri iag

[candid tundra]

what's better, the rashad or the shovel?

[potent iris]

honestly being able to use reflex sights has made using the autoguns way easier for me

the iron sights are genuinely terrible

[gusty bison]

Shovel

[placid portal]

Shovel is fun

[potent iris]

shovel gang

[frank ether]

Oh yeah I think I mistaken the headhunter one

[astral blade]

this is my chainsword

[candid tundra]

mind sharing the ideal blessings and perks?

[gusty bison]

Rashad better for single target murder

[candid tundra]

lol wtf

[placid portal]

Uncanny and decimator

[frank ether]

I find some of them are ok

[gusty bison]

Headtaker/Decimator
Uncanny Strike

[candid tundra]

don't need brmomentum?

[frank ether]

col irons are misaligned btw, truly awful

[potent iris]

this is what I run

[placid portal]

Shovel has good cleave

[candid tundra]

and what are the best attack patterns for it?

[astral blade]

its beautiful i know

[candid tundra]

spam heavies for horde?

[placid portal]

Heavy heavy or light spam

[frank ether]

spam heavies, spam lights, push attack

[placid portal]

Mix in special stab vs ragers

[frank ether]

whatever your heart desires

[candid tundra]

is it any good for single targets at all or nah

like how would I fight carapace

[placid portal]

Push attack has high finesse

[gusty bison]

Lights for narrow arc stagger
Heavies for wide arc stagger
Push attack + strike down for elites into light spam
Special for elites that push cant stagger

[potent iris]

the recon las irons are fine but I do think every single autogun iron sight is terrible

[placid portal]

If vs 1 rager special heavy loop for infinite stagger

[gusty bison]

Vraks 7 irons are solid

[placid portal]

[potent iris]

I prefer the reflex

[placid portal]

Vrak 7 super nice

[covert badger]

Boltgun iron sights 🤢

[frank ether]

iag irons I'm not a fan yeah. On revolvers or helbores I actually really like the irons

[potent iris]

helbores are literally the worst irons I've seen in a video game imo lol

[plush dragon]

❤️

[candid tundra]

ok

thanks for the help guys

[plush dragon]

crosshair mods

[gusty bison]

Nah until uve played red orchestra 2

[candid tundra]

will try the shovel out

[potent iris]

like let me put it this way, there's a reason a lot of these styles of iron sight are literally never used irl

[gusty bison]

U havent seen the worst irons

XD

[frank ether]

lol helbore irons are open top

you get a clear sight picture

[plush dragon]

they buffed strong swing, devils claw sword op

[frank ether]

I'd prefer reflex obv

[candid tundra]

I should try the dclaw too

[gusty bison]

Its better than apeture sight

[frank ether]

but its very viable

[potent iris]

disagree, I feel like I'm pretty much aiming down the bore through a machined out pic rail lmao

[gusty bison]

At least its not a PTRS sight

Thats actual pain

[potent iris]

like I legit cannot use the irons in DT outside revolver and recon las

[potent iris]

fair though tbf that thing was never meant to be accurate at all or used against stuff that isn't like buildings and tanks

[frank ether]

I find that your graphical settings have a large impact on iron visibility

and the same thing doesnt really applies for reflex sights

[potent iris]

that might be it

I find the sight picture for irons in DT to typically be very unfocused

[frank ether]

If the game had a crisp way of superscaling that would help a ton

without that your options are FXAA and TAA which are better than nothing but they aren't my preferred way of anti-aliasing

[gusty bison]

Ye irons deffo suck at low quality

[frank ether]

if they're not american devs thats not too uncommon

[raw steppe]

Well yeah

Theyre swedish

They dont have any freedom

[potent iris]

idk it's not hard to like

[candid tundra]

oh one more question, is this worth 3k melkbux for pinning fire 4?

[potent iris]

just visit a fuckin gun range and get a basic idea

[raw steppe]

Are there even gun ranges over in EU

[gusty bison]

Yes lets just bring a laser gun to a gun range :P

[raw steppe]

I thought they were super outlawed

[potent iris]

no idea but in every other part of the civilised world I've been to they exist

[candid tundra]

thanks

[candid tundra]

so here's another one I got yesterday from melk

I don't know which I should earn

the one I just sent has higher stats but dogshit perks

top one's perks aren't good but are a little better I suppose

but shattering impact and pinning fire 4 on both

[astral blade]

Good sir are you the moderator in charge of the veteran chat

[candid tundra]

so I could earn one

[frank ether]

perks on this are awful

[candid tundra]

yeah

[raw steppe]

Dude they're not even allowed to have plastic straws over there

[candid tundra]

both perks suck shit

[raw steppe]

I'm highly doubtful guns are available

[candid tundra]

I just dont know if I should earn one pinning fire 4 or shattering impact 4 on either

[potent iris]

tbf plastic straws are terrible, I'm glad they're getting yeeted

[candid tundra]

and replace the other

[gusty bison]

Shattering Impact atm is poor on bolter

[raw steppe]

Paper straws are totallu unusable

[candid tundra]

I could take this to gold

[gusty bison]

Unless ur magdumping crushers near constantly

[candid tundra]

good to know

what else is good

[placid portal]

Just.... drink from the cup?

[raw steppe]

They melt after like 15 min

[gusty bison]

Surgical

[elder vessel]

so based

[potent iris]

I find it varies, some places have ones that are good others just straight melt

[candid tundra]

I see

[golden axle]

wasnt there a study that paper straws were also just as environmentally unfriendly?

[candid tundra]

you think I should take this up to gold and risk getting surgical or is it not worth

[golden axle]

something about forever chemicals etc etc

[potent iris]

uhhh sure why not

[gusty bison]

To summarize.

Crit headshots do more deeps vs crushers than mag dumping

[placid portal]

Paper straw sucks just get your own glass and drink from there

[candid tundra]

yeah I gotcha

[gusty bison]

Cos they buffed the finesse of the bolter

[candid tundra]

I just don't know what to do with these 3 bolters now lol

none of them have surgical

[gusty bison]

Upgrade the purple

[potent iris]

yeah it'd depend a lot on how they're sourced and what chemicals are being used

[candid tundra]

ok, earn the shattering impact 4 just to have it? or keep it in case I want to use it if it's buffed

[potent iris]

it's not like paper mills are exactly climate friendly

[gusty bison]

Yeslurp the SI 4 just to earn it

You never know when it would be good

[potent iris]

I usually do lol, but I have bamboo and metal straws if I ever actually need a straw for w/e reason

[candid tundra]

ok thanks

[placid portal]

Heck those IV straws would be nice

[candid tundra]

I'll upgrade the purple when I have plasteel and hope I get surgical

[golden axle]

metal straws rock for cold drinks

[silk sleet]

Even still I agree theyre easy to use.

[potent iris]

must be me eyes or settings, I function far far better with a reflex sight

[silk sleet]

Helbore sights are good if youre used to iron sight gaming

[silk sleet]

You use the custom weapon mod?

[potent iris]

yea ofc

[gusty bison]

I think the reason why I hate the reflex sights is reflex sights are bad to use when swaying.

[potent iris]

whole reason I got it was for that

[gusty bison]

And they tend to sway when dodging

[potent iris]

hmm yeah I can see that

[silk sleet]

I just wanted the fleshlight

[gusty bison]

And its hard to reacquire sight picture

And I dodge A LOT

[silk sleet]

The custom reflex sights from the mod arent as bad as normal lasgun

[gusty bison]

Cos its a lot easier to acquire the post returning to neutral than the faint circle + dot.

[silk sleet]

Have you tried the other reflex sights?

[potent iris]

yeah the not-an-eotech that infantry lasguns come with are...very iffy on the sway

[gusty bison]

Nah i dont use mods

Yea I cant imagine using the MG12 sight on the columnus when shooting on the move

[silk sleet]

Theyre worth the 5min it takes to install

[silk sleet]

Get the laspistol reflex its super good

[gusty bison]

Ehhhhh I personally dont find them that useful

Tried it oncr

Decided the stability loss wasnt worth it

Creature spawner is nice

But thats it

[silk sleet]

Ive never had stability issues. Always had lag but thats online gaming

3rd person is cool

[gusty bison]

3rd person is cheating imho

[forest blaze]

I don’t use mods. No particular reason other than I’m lazy.

[gusty bison]

And healthbars is also lowkey cheating tbh

Like i dont care if other people use it but im not gonna use it myself

[tall torrent]

What to change on this chainsword

[forest blaze]

Flak Maniac is what I do since carapace is giga wasted

[fleet cloud]

sour milk man brought me this, thoughts?

[gusty bison]

Also ngl i always wished the laspistol came with irons

For what I use it for the cluttered sight picture is annoying

Reflex i agree work better when stationary, but irons i feel work better when mobile

[frank ether]

ah yes europoors lacking microplastics in their diet this is so sadge

[placid portal]

Oof

[candid bridge]

this worth grabbing from melk?

[placid portal]

Maybe but no imo

[fleet cloud]

what bout this

[frank ether]

I mean if you want one, sure but those perks would need to change

blessings are aight I guess I'm not huge on terrifying barrage but you might feel differently

[candid bridge]

what are best blessings for IAGs?

[trim steppe]

If you got extra melk bucks pick it up, that might be good someday if the graia gets a glowup, those stats are good

[frank ether]

cant go wrong with flak/maniac

I cant really answer what are the best perks

but I can answer what are bad ones

[gusty bison]

Tbh not really

You can do better upgrading from grey

[frank ether]

and %8.5 reload is a bad one, so is the %20 carapace because its %20 of such a tiny number.

[gusty bison]

Only grab it if you are low on plasteel/dockets tbh

The base stats are good but the perks and blessings are mwh

[frank ether]

unless you rly want a blessing there I'd skip yeah

[placid portal]

Rather servicable

[grim scarab]

dumdum is a must have, the other one has some options

[placid portal]

If you need a quick transcendant

[frank ether]

I wouldnt say its a must have but its pretty good

I got a weapon where I have raking fire instead, I use it on infil vet

[grim scarab]

Graia IAG is the worst IAG, the weapon itself is fine, just worse compared to the other two

[gusty bison]

Nah

[frank ether]

worse in what aspect

[gusty bison]

It has better dps than agri

[frank ether]

I feel like some of you should clarify your takes a bit

[gusty bison]

But agri is more stable

[silk sleet]

If the inherent human urge is to litter then lets just work with the lowest common denominator and just make it easier on the place when we do litter

[gusty bison]

Its a sidegrade

[frank ether]

because its not very readable for someone who might not get the context

[silk sleet]

Greasepaper and wood were good enough for literal millenia we dont need plastic food anything

[frank ether]

like who was it yesterday that said vet is op because he uses infiltrate to do objectives in solo damnation

like context is everything bruh

[placid portal]

Infiltrate stealth should have no effect at solo

[grim scarab]

What’s the fire rate of Agri IAG again?

[placid portal]

[candid bridge]

i feel like dumdum and deathspitter would be fine blessings, then just change out the reload speed to maniacs?

[frank ether]

I guess

that would work just fine

the gun has good base stats

[gusty bison]

Yep

[frank ether]

it would be perfectly viable

[umbral flame]

how can this be saved?

[candid bridge]

ill buy after this run then

[gusty bison]

Its a case of you can probably do better building a grey. But building a grey is also expensive

[grim scarab]

I know Graia is the worst because spent a hell lot to get a good one for the buff. Then after using it for a while I simply found the other two killing everything faster by a margin

[gusty bison]

And its deffo good enough

[frank ether]

I mean the base stat roll you got on that graia is as good as it can possibly get

[grim scarab]

Columus is still META though

[fickle wraith]

when your shield ogryn takes the shield concept seriously

[gusty bison]

Columnus beats out the other two at close range, but Graia gets 2.5k dps vs reapers at 25m

[fickle wraith]

30k in damnation

[frank ether]

I think the other two just have to reach a bit further or have some other perk to them

but I dont have good graia or agri rolls yet

I need to try getting good rolls

I just have grays atm

[golden axle]

blagh, hadron keeps bricking my well statted shovels

[frank ether]

Also its entirely possible that columnus might be a little bit too good

[grim scarab]

Killing reapers a bit faster a few meters longer doesn’t help you turn the tide

[gusty bison]

Its also doing 2k dps vs everything else at 25-30m

[frank ether]

It also feels backward to me that its recoil behaves like a long range gun where when you stop you get a very stable gun but on the move it has giga recoil

[midnight mortar]

It could. Depends on just how much faster though.

[gusty bison]

It "only" does 3k dps at short range vs most targets

[grim scarab]

Columus still kills everything faster in most of the cases. I’ve been using IAG even before the buff and I know them too damn well

[raw steppe]

Theyre also all mostly vegan

Cuz eating meat is not allowed

[viscid marlin]

Don't mind me, just going to unclench my fingers from my mouse now after that round.

[raw steppe]

🙀

[gusty bison]

Columnus is the king of dps yes

[golden axle]

bot needs to pull their weight ffs

[gusty bison]

Graia is just more controllable

[frank ether]

feel like columnus probably has too long effective dps/accuracy maybe

I've been told its supposed to be the close range variant but like

[grim scarab]

It’s not just raw dps though, it also gets 4 consecutive crits whenever you crit

[frank ether]

I'm beaming snipers across the map

[viscid marlin]

same

but im using the mk1

[frank ether]

they die before they can do their falldown animation from getting shot/suppressed

[gusty bison]

Tbf snipers are paper

[frank ether]

unlike braced autos its an iag so that also means I'm chaining non stop heads

[gusty bison]

Columnus has some difficulties vs gunners in cover at 30+m

[frank ether]

yet braced guns struggle with them

especially in cover

col iag is just an overall better version of agri brrauto imo

even if I tapfire the agri brr like its counter strike it doesnt even come close to the same accuracy

go in meatgrinder if you dont believe me, crouch shot a little and look how big that starting cone is

braced or hipfire

its just nowhere near iags

[gusty bison]

Brautos are better if ur literally not aiming

But yea

[vivid ocean]

is grabbing onslaught (the skill node on the bottom left-ish) worth it?

[gusty bison]

If ur aiming at all IAGs win

[frank ether]

yes but my problem is neither gun has any skill ceiling to them

you dont really aim or recoil control with col iag either

[viscid marlin]

i mean

[vivid ocean]

more skill required than recons tbf

[viscid marlin]

i do pretty good with my mk1

[frank ether]

its a laser beam as long as you're standing still and if you're bracing a brrauto you're also standing still

They made all these changes and bracing on brrautos is still one big scam

[vivid ocean]

going from recons to iags is a slight jump cuz there's actually recoil at the start

braced autos i havent touched since beta

[slow spade]

also the autoguns have stagger lol

god forbid a poxwalker even flinch from a recon I guess

[grim scarab]

And I just looked up, no, graia has the lowest dps

[slow spade]

is that chart before or after patch 13?

as it did have the lowest dps before patch 13

but "notable changes" occured since then UwU

[grim scarab]

Agri : 139x7.69=1068, Graia: 99x10=990. And Agri benefits a lot from having cleave

[gusty bison]

Graia has a better crit string

Which translates to a higher dps

Also I find cleave on IAGs mostly pointless

Cos ur aiming at heads

[frank ether]

gunners dont really line up anyways

[grim scarab]

Perhaps, doesn’t make up for the base dps and worse stability though

[gusty bison]

Its a higher effective dps

[solar sky]

For vet with IAG, I like to run stealth since that 40% backstab damage is so good

[gusty bison]

Stability wise both are basically lasers

[frank ether]

I mean unless you catch them jumping or at a doorway

gunners tend to spread around

[grim scarab]

So? With a scoreboard you’d see it’s still like 10~20% headshot rate

[gusty bison]

Agri is slightly more stable at EXTREME ranes

[gusty bison]

Uh...

Are u spamming?

Ur spamming i assume?

[frank ether]

with %20 u gotta be doing some spamming

[gusty bison]

Also if ur not hitting heads crits become even more important

[viscid marlin]

I cleave kill multiple things all the time with my mk1

[grim scarab]

I play malestorm all the time and I’m pretty sure most of the chaotic time you won’t be going for only headshots

[solar sky]

^ this is true

[grim scarab]

So what headshot rate do you get?

[solar sky]

IAG are still good with body shots

[frank ether]

on which gun

[halcyon zephyr]

high, baby. Always aim for the head

[gusty bison]

I mean the point of the IAGs is to go for heads

Maelstrom isnt an excuse

[frank ether]

I think I had deathspitter

[radiant chasm]

really can't, you can change the blessings but it's def not saveable, just a good hold on to while you wait for a better one

[grim scarab]

Have you seen your actual headshot rate with a scoreboard though

[gusty bison]

I dont have scoreboard installed mate

[viscid marlin]

i think i might average 55% at the highest but it still works fine for me

[halcyon zephyr]

I've never even done auerlic maelestorm

[radiant chasm]

depending on the weapon, like brautos and IAGs before the recoil buff, I'd aim for the chest/neck

[viscid marlin]

i spam a lot though

[grim scarab]

I aim for the head all the time, and it’s less than 20%. I still get most damage though

[radiant chasm]

and let recoil carry me up to the head

[gusty bison]

Most damage is a meme

[radiant chasm]

but precision weapons it is the head everytime

[grim scarab]

That means you are delusional

[gusty bison]

Anyone knows that top fragging damage means nothing

[grim scarab]

The headshot rate has always been much lower than you thought

Every player I see has like 10~20%

[radiant chasm]

me when i top damage a game via using bugged surge staff (i'm very skilled)

[tall torrent]

Depends on guns I’d say

[gusty bison]

This

[placid portal]

I am as good as my teammates can be good

[tall torrent]

Some guns you kind of just naturally aim for headshots?

[placid portal]

I am a mirror

[raw steppe]

Yeah but that guy probably just lets his team kill em

Then complains that nobody killing gunners or snipers lol

[halcyon zephyr]

I specifically aim for the nuts, and recoil control onto the nuts. I refuse to aim higher for anything except the dog

[placid portal]

Lmao

[gusty bison]

Ok thats probably why.

The pen artificially lowering it

[halcyon zephyr]

brutal momentum can suck it, those nuts need a cuttin

[placid portal]

Penetrating through enemies does affect damage

[tall torrent]

Unironically I find myself aiming for headshots a lot with Columnus IAG

[gusty bison]

Cos 5% is VERY low for a volver.

U aint hitting 1 headshot every 4 clips mate

[halcyon zephyr]

SlimTuna, where is my nuts weakspot damage? this has been bugged since alpha.

[tall torrent]

The iron sights sorta just guide me to headshots

[halcyon zephyr]

Sure you can. You can always be worse.

[gusty bison]

Nah with a volver?

I guess if ur running surgical

Then u just rely on crits?

[halcyon zephyr]

absolutely. I've seen truly abysmal players.

[umbral scaffold]

are these stats decent or nah

[gusty bison]

Ok but then they shouldnt be running volver

XD

[halcyon zephyr]

depends, do you consider "the broadside of the barn" to be a bullseye?

[gusty bison]

Then again volver gets away with surgical bodyshots

[umbral scaffold]

nah

[slow spade]

the reload speed hurts but you could make a crit bolter and ignore the stability

[solar sky]

Might have missed something, but revolver builds usually have 35% crit base. With surgical, you can get to 100% after 2 seconds of aiming

[placid portal]

God just reccently encountering speedrunner but he got downed 1st minute at start of mission

[gusty bison]

Ergo why it works sorta

[tall torrent]

The blessings are good enough?

[placid portal]

Knew it was gonna be a bad day

[solar sky]

sorta is nto the word I would use xD revolver is op op

[gusty bison]

Its still a lot slower than going for heads, and crit headshots obvsly do more

[umbral scaffold]

what about dis

[gusty bison]

But its not terrible i guess

[halcyon zephyr]

oh shit was it me? I ran real fast without realizing the loadout i'd picked didn't have toughness regen

[marble lintel]

man, the featured costumes are just reskins now 💀

[halcyon zephyr]

do it for the meme

[umbral scaffold]

ah the stats arent good?

[placid portal]

Dunno it was a knife zealot and he rage quitted mid game with only 2 mates alive with chaos spawn

[gusty bison]

Someone's never used an Agripinna shotgun then

[placid portal]

We failed the mission bc ogyrn stuck with him

[halcyon zephyr]

definitely not me, I don't play zealot and I don't quit failed runs til everyone is dead. Then I leave so my body doesn't appear at the end. This way I fix potential continuity errors.

[gusty bison]

Agri shotgun users should be hitting at least 20% headshot rate.

Frankly id say 40% otherwise the gun's potential is wasted.

[grim scarab]

Don’t talk about headshot rate when you have never even seen any actual stats as reference and just say numbers based on your assumptions

[gusty bison]

Agri shotty doesnt have good pen

So it cant really go through a guy

And im talking agri shotty

The point is the gun affects the HS rate stat due to factors outside of acfual aim

[gusty bison]

Dude. Azreal just said that grenades count towards ur headshot rate lol.

Agri is a 1 round bolt action rifle

Ok its better with pellets now

But pre 14 it was a bolt action rifle

I dont think you understand what I mean

Pre patch 14 you dont use the primary fire. At all.

[solar sky]

I'm confused, why is the agri a 1 shot bolt? If you're going to play it that way, just run a revolver. Thing is a stagger machine, that's why I would bring it

[candid tundra]

do you guys think I should take this to gold and see if I get lucky? I have 2k plasteel currently

[candid tundra]

no earned blessings on shovel yet

[gusty bison]

On zealot it hits some BPs volver cannot

[solar sky]

Nah, none of those are optimal. I'd just try again.

[solar sky]

like what?

[gusty bison]

Volver does not tap the flamer

Not without a crit headshot

[solar sky]

lol

no

it does

or wait, we talking about zealot?

[gusty bison]

Yes

[halcyon zephyr]

Stat's aren't bad, finesse is a bit lower than I'd personally settle for.
To upgrade it you'd be gambling on both consecrations to be preem perk/blessing.

[gusty bison]

Zealot

[solar sky]

cause then I'm not sure. Vet sure as hell does

[gusty bison]

Cos zealot doesnt get +30% weakspot

[solar sky]

gonna test it now

[umbral scaffold]

ah ok ty

[edgy condor]

which would you say is better for veteran and why, given both with decent stat rolls and perks + blessings: the revolver or the plasma gun?

[solar sky]

They are both good

depends on how you like to play

[halcyon zephyr]

Hence, "Do it for the meme". I don't know if it'll roll power cycler and a great perk and neither do you

[elder vessel]

Dump Stat for Vet Knife?

[solar sky]

revolver is not killing lines of crushers quiskly, but plasma is less accurate

monility

[halcyon zephyr]

The knife into the knife bin

[solar sky]

mobility*

[halcyon zephyr]

you don't have a locence for that knoif

[elder vessel]

Answer da question

[umbral scaffold]

what blessings are good on the power swor

[halcyon zephyr]

Please sir, I don't know! I'm just a jester!

[solar sky]

Power cycler is a must, run whatever you want for the other

[elder vessel]

GUARDS, EXECUTE THE FOOL

[placid portal]

Wym jesters are advisors of the king

[solar sky]

rampage is bugged right now, so you can abuse that if youw ant

[halcyon zephyr]

Power cycler is mandatory,
Currently, Rampage is bugged and apparently good too.

[placid portal]

So they gotta know

[solar sky]

gives you like 200% damage instead of 36%

[elder vessel]

Why can't there be a Vet Ogrynomicon

[halcyon zephyr]

I want it on a power cycler sword to really just fuck shit up. I like power as a stat, though.

[tall torrent]

Apparently sunder gives ps6 really amazing mixed horde clear

[placid portal]

The millitaurum codex?

[elder vessel]

Link?

[sharp brook]

Ok, played with a recon lasgun last night. It’s gone to shit again. What do you need to make it good again? Crit chance and crit damage for shock trooper to proc? Went from being good against Maulers to just tickling them.

[placid portal]

No just a thought for title

Xp

[elder vessel]

Oh

[gusty bison]

Yea its why agri shotgun zealots are a thing

[elder vessel]

Anyway Knife Dump Stat? Still haven't gotten an answer

[halcyon zephyr]

I don't use knife at all, I can't give advice.
I'm strictly a power sword simp

[solar sky]

rev does one shot flamers

[placid portal]

Fair

[solar sky]

on zealot

no crit needed

[placid portal]

With maniac its a tad more reliable

[gusty bison]

R u running 25% Damage on close?

Cos if so back up a bit

[vivid ocean]

the fuck

my weapons disappeared

[placid portal]

?

[vivid ocean]

when i loaded in

[placid portal]

Ah

[vivid ocean]

couldnt see shit

not even my nade

[placid portal]

Common bug iirc for the mod

[vivid ocean]

which mod

[solar sky]

Don't see why you wouldn't. It's one point and any build can take it

[vivid ocean]

first time this has happened

[solar sky]

lets you hit those breakpoints for close specials

[gusty bison]

Because flamers arent always at <8m

[fathom edge]

so uh, recon kinda poopy rn right?

[solar sky]

which is why you run surgical for longer shots

[gusty bison]

U take it, but the breakpoint isnt reliable.

Agri is reliable

[vivid ocean]

unfortunately yeah its kinda poopy rn

they really fucked it

[solar sky]

also is slower

[gusty bison]

Zealot kinda doesnt have as much time to ADS

Cos usually they are quick swapping

• Swap, shoot, swap back

[solar sky]

Take blazing peity and you're at 30% crit base

1 second aim

you're at about 80%

I like those odds

[gusty bison]

Zealot dives.

Its very different

Nono

dive dive

Vet cant charge for one.

[sharp brook]

Any lasguns worth taking to Auric now or is it all Plasmas and Agris now?

[vivid ocean]

okay the bug is still here wtf

[gusty bison]

Literally pick a gun that isnt the recon

It works on auric

[placid portal]

Kantrael Lucius works fine

[gusty bison]

Even recon works with effort

[solar sky]

All the AIGs, laspistol, revolver, plasma, bolter, and helbores work in auric maelstrom

we have a lot of options now

[vivid ocean]

dont like helbore because of that long ass handling animation

[rigid pilot]

I mean it's because you have powersword and that literally solves everything so why wouldn't you want it out

[vivid ocean]

if they fix that id use it more

[rigid pilot]

If you use a shovel you probably need to take out your ranged more

[solar sky]

This is using the columbus AIG in auric maelstrom

[dapper vessel]

I should get the character height mod

[rigid pilot]

Axe is better at killing crushers?

[placid portal]

Axe does do wonders with brutal momentum

Kekw

[rigid pilot]

Wild takes

Even wilder takes

[gusty bison]

Shovel is better for defensive play

[placid portal]

Axe heavy loop is really good single damage

[rigid pilot]

Can axes 2shot a crusher

[gusty bison]

Shovel is safer is the main draw

[frank ether]

you unequip it and take a columnus iag instead

[placid portal]

Nah

[rigid pilot]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1ADoFG58SGPwkq/spok?invite=cr-MSxDR3osMTk5OTY0MzA3LA

Yea keep talking

[dapper vessel]

Power sword can 2 shot Bulwarks, Reapers, Crushers and Maulers

[gusty bison]

Graia.

[rigid pilot]

Gold mine

[gusty bison]

Columnus has a lotta recoil and plays differently

PS has a power up ani cancel

[placid portal]

Given you headshot with the stab right?

[frank ether]

eeeh its a beam really

[dapper vessel]

[rigid pilot]

Yeap

[solar bone]

Eh, this worth?

[placid portal]

Still working on combo input

[dapper vessel]

I think I can push it to 1 shotting Reapers and Bulwarks too

[dapper vessel]

yes

[solar sky]

Can totally one shot reapers

[placid portal]

If you take Bring it down heck ye

[solar sky]

bulwarks too, but hitting the head is tough

[dapper vessel]

eeehhh

I just let their attack animation draw out hit the head from there

[gusty bison]

If u wait for them to attack ye

But that takes forever

[dapper vessel]

I played Zealot too wdym

[gusty bison]

• Zealot
• Axe

🤔

Why axe when u can hammer

[placid portal]

Axing the real questions innit?

[solar sky]

I don't see how you would do that without crits

[gusty bison]

Lel

[placid portal]

Hammer is hilarious

[dapper vessel]

[gusty bison]

Hammer is a specialist tool tbf

[dapper vessel]

:????

[gusty bison]

But its AMAZING at its niche

[placid portal]

Bonk and delet boss hp and elites

[frank ether]

vet chat is always entertaining

[gusty bison]

I mean thats cos ur solo/duo

Ur playstyle artifically skews the game

[dapper vessel]

what are we basing this argument on

[gusty bison]

Sooo

[dapper vessel]

Auric Maelstrom right

[gusty bison]

I dont think thats a fair outlook

Which is contrived as fuck

[dapper vessel]

solo auric can only be done with mods

[frank ether]

this is the only class chat where people argue over the same thing being grossly overpowered or complete utter garbage

[dapper vessel]

or if youre in a server so barren your teammates is just bots

ok?

[gusty bison]

Cos yea a lot of more specialized weapons suck when solo

Duh

Doesnt mean they suck during an actual game

Thats what specialized means

[cloud leaf]

been a while since i had a 1k kill game

[dapper vessel]

Thunder Hammer is BEST against bosses

[frank ether]

wasnt it the same weapon that was going around one shotting dhosts last patch?

[rigid pilot]

Azreal is playing a different game idk what else to say

[gusty bison]

Uh

Thammer is not 10

[rigid pilot]

Literally half the time is nothing different

[midnight mortar]

I mentioned this yesterday, but they're confident in their stance.

[gusty bison]

Its 4

[solar sky]

I'd like to see a solo auric maelstrom. DOn't think that's possible without cheesing it

[gusty bison]

Two powered bonks to the head

[midnight mortar]

That the benchmark of comparison should be based on solo auric maelstroms.

[frank ether]

I saw zealots doing it by spamming stealth

[solar sky]

hence the "without cheesing it" part

[frank ether]

yea

[dapper vessel]

why should we benchmark a weapon on a SOLO game again?

[gusty bison]

Yes thats the benchmark

[dapper vessel]

when theres no official SOLO option in the game anyways?

[gusty bison]

Cos a lot of weapons are designed for 4 players

[dapper vessel]

and youre STILL playing with bots even in private

thats not technically playing solo

[gusty bison]

I mean.
Assail.

[rigid pilot]

I mean you can benchmark a weapon on a solo game, it just means the benchmark means absolutely nothing to people not playing solo

[gusty bison]

Assail

U literally nailed the issue on the head there.

[frank ether]

Thats the funny thing

he'd prolly say assail is weak

[solar sky]

I can't find any videos of someone soloing auric maelstrom

[dapper vessel]

ok but why benchmark a weapon on SOlO play again?

[gusty bison]

Yes assail spam is strong.

Who the fuck thinks it isnt

[frank ether]

cause you can't solo with it

trash in his eyes

[rigid pilot]

For other solo players

[frank ether]

P13 or this patch?

[dapper vessel]

Solo with assail...

[solar sky]

Please prove it. I'm finding nothign on this

[frank ether]

in some ways it is even more op now yes

[rigid pilot]

Solo players live in their own little realm I've seen all of chocoBs builds

Wildin

[gusty bison]

Solo builds are wack cos they cant take anything specialized

[rigid pilot]

No keystones

Just pure skill

[frank ether]

and was this supposed to be the part of assail that ''requires aim''?

fatshark smoking some good crack

[dapper vessel]

weapon benchmarking should be not in a SOLO use case in mind

[frank ether]

or they're being absolute sellouts because they need controller players to be able to play the game somehow

[mellow grove]

had someone try to explain how assail required aiming skills in the lfg once

[umbral scaffold]

hey guys I just woke up what are we arguing about today

[dapper vessel]

Assail doesnt require aim whatsoever

you look in a general direction and thats it

[mellow grove]

lmao

[frank ether]

look at general vicinity = aiming

I mean thats honestly a take most xbox players would find normal

[dapper vessel]

or you can just

stagger them with trauma and void

[frank ether]

I've played enough halo infinite to know the opinions of average xbox fps player

[dapper vessel]

ok dude

[rigid pilot]

That's really hard to believe

[dapper vessel]

this is Auric Maelstrom in mind that we're basing scenarios here

not SOLO auric maelstrom

[rigid pilot]

They should open a channel just for solo players

[gusty bison]

Solo isnt it

[glacial garnet]

how do i skip the helbore equip animation?

[rigid pilot]

Then you can post all your builds there

[gusty bison]

Cos solo skews the game

[gusty bison]

You dont

You learn to work with it

[dapper vessel]

I think ulting with Exe stance insta equips it

[glacial garnet]

but theres a way to do it

ive done it twice, but cant mimic did

[gusty bison]

Executioner stance swaps to ur ranged immediately

[dapper vessel]

some modifiers on auric maelstrom does require other competent players

[rigid pilot]

Get hit by a mutant?

[frank ether]

the fact that its possible at all is a problem

thats the root of the issue

[glacial garnet]

i think reloading?

[dapper vessel]

monstrosity modifiers

scab melee only no ammo

nurgle blessed enemies, monstrosity modifiers

[rigid pilot]

This is one thing I agree with you on

[gusty bison]

It artificially inflates the importance of some stats (weapon swap speed)

Is the issue

[formal lake]

rumbler with no talents can kill bosses too quickly

[solar sky]

Please show me how you handle poxbusters, hounds, and mutie waves solo

I would love to see it

[dapper vessel]

1 person isnt gonna solve all that problem

and we are still NOT

[solar sky]

show me

[dapper vessel]

basing scenarios over solo auric maelstrom

[frank ether]

pointless metric it reminds me of TF2 MvM players ego jerking each other over their artifically made rulesets

[solar sky]

I'm not buying that this is possible

[gusty bison]

Solo auric maelstrom is a meme

Cos u play in a completely different way from normal

[frank ether]

game has indeed gotten too easy but player skill hasnt improved either

and its not going to get harder either

[potent iris]

solo is pretty easy if you just fucking run through the map, actual hilariously easy if you run invis on top

[frank ether]

you got a console port so add 2+2 together

game will only get easier past this point

[potent iris]

like if you just yeet through a level you'll start breaking AI and capping out spawns

[gusty bison]

And I dont think "breaking the spawn counter" and "corner camping" count as good measures of weapon strength

[rigid pilot]

So the game really cuts spawn for solo?

[solar sky]

This just sounds like cheese. pub maelstrom is probably harder

[gusty bison]

Just invis cheese it

:P

[frank ether]

it is

teammates can fuck you over

in 1000 different ways

most of the time its not really harder

[solar sky]

Also jus the amount of enemies

[dapper vessel]

Strangely my pub auric games seems to be amicable

idk what is blessing me but I'll take it

[gusty bison]

Auric is honestly fine

[rigid pilot]

Region

[bright coyote]

i neeeeeeed scoreboard

[solar sky]

unless someone shows me a vid of someone soloing a four person maelstrom, i'm not buying it

que up with three friends, let them die

and solo it

[shell oracle]

is there a good place to learn about how the director spawns waves and stuff based of player count and difficulty? i hear lots of stuff about it, but i don't know where people are getting info from 😮

[solar sky]

please

show me

[frank ether]

auric has a better set of players but honestly I feel like some proper nerf bat to certain playstyles and winrates would fall off

the amount of assail psykers that have no fucking business existing in aurics

[halcyon zephyr]

9000 hours in photoshop

[dapper vessel]

what map

[solar sky]

Post one of these vids, so I can watch it

[desert hawk]

imo instead of nerfs, it'd be better to buff the lesser performing weapons / skill sets since it's a coop game

[potent iris]

I don't think it does though I haven't dug into the code to check

the AI will just break faster depending on how few enemies you kill and how hard you're pushing through the map

[dapper vessel]

sycorax can be done withoutdoing any damage whatsoever

dreyko can also arguably done solo but I hear the end event got buffed

well yeah Sycorax is the easiest to solo

[grim scarab]

Fatshark overtunes something all the time, eventually you just get an easier game without nerfs

[halcyon zephyr]

did the entire last section solo on a 4 because everyone else was by the door trying to keep the vet alive.

[dapper vessel]

youre probably thinking Relay Station

[gusty bison]

Its almost as though solo skews the game

:P

[frank ether]

there is no bigger overtune than the entire talent update

[gusty bison]

Commsplex?

[dapper vessel]

hmmm

[solar sky]

Where are you posting your videos? I cannot find them on youtube

[gusty bison]

Its invis cheese

[grim scarab]

Yep, even buffing the enemy health and spawns doesn't help

[dapper vessel]

IMO Consignment Yard is one of the hardest

[gusty bison]

Just invis permanently

Solved