veteran-class

[umbral scaffold]

Lawbringer has cleave bleed scattershot but doesn’t handle elite armour all that wear

Kantreal is the aoe dot king

[tawny pawn]

hrm interesting

[viscid marlin]

if you are in melee most of the time probably take one that stuns crushers i guess

[umbral scaffold]

Idk if the crit leave would be better for infinite cleave

[viscid marlin]

cause that is where your problems will arise

[umbral scaffold]

Even with it’s better cleave

[ruby fulcrum]

Flechette + scattershot is pretty strong on lawbringer. Deletes lines of horde and with the right rolls and builds can one tap gunners to the head from a good range.

[viscid marlin]

the special shots are nice

[ruby fulcrum]

I've been running it in auric maelstrom with shredder nades and a power sword mk6 and it's doing very well

[umbral scaffold]

They all got buffed to be great picks

[tawny pawn]

right now I shovel everything in the face, hordes go down fast and mixed hordes tend to get stunned up

with krak grenades for crushers

but never settled on a range option

[umbral scaffold]

The aoe cleave of the lawbringer would help with mixed hordes

Answers your aoe issue

Krak for nut shell elites

Melee for everything else

[umbral scaffold]

Or kantreal

[gray finch]

what a hadron roll

[viscid marlin]

i got tired of ragers and maniacs mobbing me so i started my get gud arc for the devil claw mk7 and its been absolutely putting in work, i dont think ill ever take it off now that i know how to parry crushers

[umbral scaffold]

I’d love to learn that window also

[ruby fulcrum]

I've got a mk1 devilclaw with t4 rampage and shred. Feels real good

[viscid marlin]

its so much fun

[umbral scaffold]

I need rampage

[tawny pawn]

aight thank you for the shotgun tips, time to deposit all my money at brunts

[ruby fulcrum]

I swap it with my power sword depending on how I'm feeling

[umbral scaffold]

That makes the catachans swords shine

[slow spade]

Ah never really messed with it so idk much about it :c

[viscid marlin]

basically you parry them right as they are about to hit you, the sooner in the animation you land the parry the less stamina damage you take

if you "perfect parry" you almost take no stam loss

[umbral scaffold]

How generous is the window considering the funky servers

[viscid marlin]

pretty generous id say

it works 95% of the time for me

[umbral scaffold]

Baller

[viscid marlin]

ragers maulers crushers maniacs, doesnt matter

[umbral scaffold]

I need more excuses to use parry

[viscid marlin]

i solo parried a plague ogryn to death last night while taking 0 damage

but i also practiced in the psykanium for hours

[ruby fulcrum]

Mine has awful perks and it still does very well. If I can get one with those blessings and flak + maniac... oh man.

[umbral scaffold]

Are body shots comparable to headshots when doing parries?

Do you fish for the head?

I just like heavy dmg and finesse mods

[viscid marlin]

they will do a lot of damage still but you want the head if you can get it, but that only matters on the super big stuff

maniacs and ragers even on a body parry will only have like 5% health left, you just light attack tap them and they fall over after

[slow spade]

Ah good to know, if only someone didn't steal all my resources so I could test UwU

Every time I make some stupid shit I get reminded how bad it is to craft

[umbral scaffold]

Is the dmg the same across the swords?

Parry wise

[viscid marlin]

the parry, i think so?

[umbral scaffold]

Alright

[viscid marlin]

not 100% sure

[umbral scaffold]

What sword do you use?

[viscid marlin]

but here let me show you what crab did

[umbral scaffold]

I have a 4

[viscid marlin]

mk7

[umbral scaffold]

What’s the attack pattern on that?

Lights and heavies?

[viscid marlin]

for hordes?

a heavy then light

the rest is up to you

parry as needed

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1wUm2HEH3PVg_0/d13379uZyvcK?invite=cr-MSxXT0MsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

there it is

thats crabs

he made me a believer

[dusk idol]

7 and 4 have like inverse attack patterns

[slow spade]

But the same stats

[dusk idol]

yeah, it’s down to preference

[slow spade]

So just use whichever one Hadron doesn't brick first

[viscid marlin]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1AlB0XDF6uWQce/d1337U0UKKlM?invite=cr-MSw5YzAsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA @umbral scaffold look at that beautiful sight

[sullen scarab]

What do you pair with Surgical on the Bolter? Pinning Fire?

[umbral scaffold]

That headshot fish looks awesome to master

I gotta train in the psykarium

[viscid marlin]

just keep in mind

crab makes it look easy there but he is a master

his parries are exactly on the spot

so it will take some practice

[tawny pawn]

any recs for shotgun blessings?

imma assume perks are the usual flak/maniac

[viscid marlin]

but the smaller the enemy you are parrying the easier the window

id assume so

but im not a shotgun user normally

so ill wait for the others to chime in

[trail totem]

🧱 ?

[viscid marlin]

you could probably keep decapitator

[neon briar]

no thats pretty good

[viscid marlin]

it looks good to me

[unique oracle]

does anyone wnats to do the on overwatch penance ?

[umbral scaffold]

Fullbore and no respite on agripnaa shotgun, flak/maniac

Shattershot and flechette on lawbringer and kantrael, maniac/flak and 5% crit if you wanna fish for crits

[summer nova]

what I oughta do with it?

[umbral scaffold]

Nice roll

[strange ledge]

Man stopper scatter any good?

[ruby fulcrum]

As a vet you can cap crit without perk. Just run flak/maniac or flak/unarmored

[umbral scaffold]

^

[trail totem]

maniac + flak/uy or scrap for headhunter

[ruby fulcrum]

Actually as zealot to if you run piety so... shrug. Flak/maniac it is!

[cloud leaf]

whats the crit cap

[ruby fulcrum]

100

[cloud leaf]

oh

[ruby fulcrum]

Lol

[cloud leaf]

how tf do u get that

[umbral scaffold]

Kantrael already has high cleave, infinite on special shot

I can see it being useful on lawbringer, but bleed is strong

[viscid marlin]

on a shotgun easy with the blessing

[kind scarab]

After trying out the shotgun

It ain't fun

[umbral scaffold]

Shrug

[viscid marlin]

i came to the same conclusion but some people out there like it

[kind scarab]

Fuckers keep stealing my kills

It's more annoying than anything

[viscid marlin]

more like they keep eating my ammo

[kind scarab]

But in a vaccuum it's fine

[viscid marlin]

dude slurps up 27 small ammo boxes and gets half my damage.. makes me sadge for real

[ruby fulcrum]

Scattershot is 60, stamina drain talent is 25, 10 for reload, plus 5 base

[strange ledge]

Invis Knife zlots be like

[brisk umbra]

Don't you love to not do any damage to anything over 3m away from you?

[kind scarab]

Oh it does damage

Since I have it set up for CC effects, not actual shotgun damage

Since the shotgun itself hella mid as a weapon

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah

[strange ledge]

Agri slug one taps everything not uy regardless of range

[brisk umbra]

Does it?

[umbral scaffold]

Special shots make it shine

[candid bridge]

That thing is gonna be bouncing like a motherfucker with that stability 😂

[umbral scaffold]

But the base shots kinda mid

[brisk umbra]

The kantrael wants a word with you

[summer nova]

@candid bridge Deadshot and a high amount of stamina help with it

[strange ledge]

The biggest shotgun L is reload speed not affecting special slug loading animation imo

[kind scarab]

Like, it honestly works. Mostly.

[amber portal]

is it better to run x2 toughness x1 health or vice versa?

or x3 of something

[brisk umbra]

1wound 2 toughness

[brisk umbra]

and never trust your team

[amber portal]

lol

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kotique-cat-tongue-cat-lick-gif-20076599

[amber portal]

i dont run wounds unless im martyrdom

[raw steppe]

it's up to personal preference generally. a balanced spread is the most worthwhile generally- due to mathematics
you want a wound if you're not confident in your own ability to stay alive
you want HP to hit breakpoints so you don't instadie to snipers/poxbursters
you want toughness since most of your recovery is tied to toughness

[brisk umbra]

i like 1 wound, safer when your teammates just do absolutely nothing 90% of the time

[strange ledge]

Just take triple tough and abuse iw

[ruby fulcrum]

Yeah.. man if it worked it would be incredible.

[raw steppe]

if you're new to the game, I recommend 1/1/1 wound/hp/toughness; and then you can adjust it as you prefer as you get better at the game

[brisk umbra]

Or when somebody pop a poxbuster in your face and then you gotta play safe at rrandom

[strange ledge]

When I was making my shotgun I was like wow tactical reload will be amazing. Imagine my disappointment

[ruby fulcrum]

Yeah 😦

[amber portal]

im running 1 health 2 toughness just cause yeah everything is tied to toughness regen

[raw steppe]

3x toughness is very risky because if you get hit by 2 poxbursters = dead; sniper hits your hp = dead. but you can play very very aggressively

if you don't drop toughness

[cloud leaf]

toughness curio useless now that u have voc +100 overheal

[amber portal]

im running shout/support build so im usually the one cleaning up people's messes lol

[tawny pawn]

oh I was just about to move points to it

tactical reload that bad?

[cloud leaf]

wound is always useless cuz youre probably never gonna get revived anyways

[shadow dagger]

I've been running stam/wound/whatever I find on my non ogryn characters lol damn

I guess that's what a 3stam with good rolls does to me

[strange ledge]

It's not BAD. Just doesn't work with shotgun special ammo

[tawny pawn]

ah, weird

[strange ledge]

Your points are generally spent else where

[amber portal]

does close order drill and iron will stack?

[strange ledge]

If you want reload speed the left side is better

[slow spade]

I do 3 toughness curios

[strange ledge]

All dr stacks multiplicatively

[umbral scaffold]

This would make it insanely good

[slow spade]

Because vet has so many toughness buffs

Only makes sense to stack it

[amber portal]

ayeee ima switch my points around then

[shadow dagger]

is there a point in progression where dockets isn't an issue anymore

[kind scarab]

My third match, I was told to go chain axe and plasma gun

[slow spade]

Yes

[kind scarab]

On a no-ammo regen maelstrom

what's the worst that could happen

[slow spade]

I regularly drop like 800k for stupid meme builds I use like once

[strange ledge]

Agri slug with tac reload volleyadept would be goated. Pseudo 50 cal

[lusty tangle]

Anyone on here willing to help a fella get the On Overwatch penance? Last one I need to unlock everything

[slow spade]

"Oops all crushers"

[shadow dagger]

so basically just way way down the line

[slow spade]

When you start doing Auric Damnation for fun

[amber portal]

coming off zealot though, vet performs well without keystones

vets are gonna be busted once they have them

[slow spade]

Auric Damnation is like 40k dockets per win

[shadow dagger]

3x +dockets is gonna earn its keep real quick I think

[slow spade]

Auric Maelstroms with the +20% cooldown rate modifier are usually an easy win for VoC vets too

[radiant raptor]

If you don't have millions of dockets already, yeah stacking dockets is fine

[slow spade]

Psyker with cooldown aura basically gives 99% uptime

[shadow dagger]

chance for grenade regen on special/elite kill feels like it should be for everyone but damn

[slow spade]

Honestly it'd only be broken as fuck if the ogryn nuke got it

ok maybe the zealot fire nades

[shadow dagger]

I guess highrolling and giving ogryn 3 megabombs in a row would be way too strong

[ebon parrot]

Your avg assail Pysker on console queuing Aurics bless his heart serving the emperor at max brain capacity

[amber portal]

assail is so dumb

[ebon parrot]

Agreed and yet he only did 160k dmg lol

[amber portal]

especially in lower difficulty when i was cheesing my contracts

[ebon parrot]

Yeah assail is hilarious but I cant blame console users for leaning on it

[slow spade]

Honestly if I had to deal with console aim, I'd never touch Vet

And probably be an Ogryn or psyker main

[ebon parrot]

That is typically what I see from console on QPs assail psykers or Orgryns

[slow spade]

I see Vets sometimes

And they're packijg things like Helbores lol

"Oh no what are you doing???"

[ebon parrot]

Have yet to see that but that is bold lol respect the grind I guess

[slow spade]

It was a Krieg cosplayer

[radiant raptor]

assail psykers make my life easier with not being the only one dealing with gunner hordes

[slow spade]

So I guess he was ride or die kind of vibe for Krieg

[ebon parrot]

Good ones forsure

[kind scarab]

I'm so tired of the randoms

[radiant raptor]

yeah true

[slow spade]

I run VoC vet solely because I can't trust my team to let me use my Helbore

[ebon parrot]

I for the most part have more luck in random queuing Aurics then coming into this discord.

[kind scarab]

I just played a match, where there was like two patrols of bulwark+Crusher enemies

And they kept annoying them

[radiant raptor]

god i wanna like the helbore but it's just too slow for me

[kind scarab]

I was the last one alive both times

[ebon parrot]

Had a 650+ zealot just now lol and a 1200 Ogryn

[kind scarab]

And they still complained

[slow spade]

The thing is you can basically mag dump with it and it does upwards of like 4k damage

So once you get firing its pretty comfy

[ebon parrot]

Helbore feels like a snooze fest compared to plasma

[slow spade]

Plasma is just much easier to use

[slow spade]

Helbore is mostly if you really don't want to compete for ammo

[kind scarab]

This match will clearly be better than the last one

Look at his smile

[ebon parrot]

I hardly spec out damage for plasma and I always do the most damage. I aim for all the toughness regen/share talents lol

[slow spade]

I'd suggest getting the true level mod. It lets you guess how much you'll need to carry

[radiant raptor]

tbf infantry guns do that as well

[ebon parrot]

Looks like he has it on

[slow spade]

Ah wasn't sure, I mostly hear from friends it helps with guessing how good randoms are

[kind scarab]

I just installed it today

It hasn't helped at all

[candid bridge]

It’s okay it doesn’t matter

[slow spade]

Yeah but if you REALLY don't want to compete for ammo UwU

[ebon parrot]

Oh 100%, level 32 doing Aurics? No thanks!

[radiant raptor]

yeah that's the mod, just segmented levels

[candid bridge]

I did a normal level 3 with a 1567 vet and they went down twice

[slow spade]

Lol yeah I should get it myself now that the Xbox players are doing Auric now

[slow spade]

I mean he's staying at a level appropriate for him I guess

[ebon parrot]

Yep. I see the Xbox icon and cry usually

[slow spade]

I saw one xbox zealot player perform a solo clutch

Bless his little Zealot heart

[ebon parrot]

I am sure there are gems out there but the majority arent even playing the same game

[slow spade]

(We died later being the game spawned 10 maulers on top of us trying to revive)

[candid bridge]

Clutched in sub 30fps

[slow spade]

Yeah I saw his gameplay and he was sturggling

Made it work and made good decisions though

I got to respect that much. He definitely knew how to play

[edgy condor]

Is there no way to disable crossplay? Because I would if I could, I can't even imagine trying to play a game like this on controller locked at 30 fps.

[slow spade]

No sadly

[radiant raptor]

there's a mod for that i believe

[slow spade]

Even the modding community didn't make one

[slow spade]

If you read the mod, all it does is press F10 when queueing lol

[edgy condor]

lmao so it just automatically backs out of matchmaking for you when it detects an xbox player

based

[slow spade]

Modder basically went "you should be able to compensate for bad players"

[slow spade]

Na it literally just prevents you from queueing

The mod creator is dumb as fuck

But such is life

Apparently its the role of the team to carry sandbags lol

[dusty nacelle]

If you're not planning on grinding for perfect weapons yes :)
If you ARE then no 🥹

[radiant raptor]

oh yeah i didn't read the last sentence lol

idk it's just common for me and my friends to carry some deadweight with us all the time

we're conditioned lol

[soft solstice]

does iron will reduce the damage you take from venting the plasma gun? I think I noticed that the other day

[radiant raptor]

tbh it would probably get boring tho if you played with a squad of good players all the time

[dusk idol]

trust, levels are meaningless

[fallen geyser]

does teh actual rating of a weapon make any difference or is it just for comparison?

[radiant raptor]

probably does, iron will is not specific damage iirc

[dusk idol]

level 800 psyker consistently blowing himself up vs chad level 40 ogryn carrying

[dusk idol]

rating affects how many stat points you have in distribution for your weapon, higher rating means on average higher stats for your weapon

it doesn’t however change HOW your stats are distributed, so you can have a 380 weapon with high average stats but damage dumped

and that hurts

[golden axle]

you reaaaally want 360ish+ for the most part. You can get away with 350s if the roll/blessings/perks are perfect.

[dark sorrel]

It helps set expectations at a glance, but then again I’ve seen level 1000+ players perform actual dogshit (they could’ve had a bad day im not putting it against them)

There was this level 1000 Zealot who was Zealoting so hard that he didn’t pay attention to the rest of the team spamming “NEED AMMO” to know when to use the ammo crate

I was literally fighting for my fucking life 💀

[dusk idol]

honestly, you can probably get by with 340 for most weapons if the distribution is favourable

[kind scarab]

Naaaaaaaah

You were fine

[golden axle]

Maybe, I said 350 just to cover hopefully losing so much you start missing breakpoints or recoiling all over the place but im sure the actual mathematics would definitely cover a god rolled 340

[dark sorrel]

The entire team was in the red for ammo the entire time LOL

It would’ve made the run 10x easier

[radiant raptor]

yeah with some builds, you can disregard your team and play for yourself

[dark sorrel]

Still no excuse to not pay attention to the team’s needs

[dusk idol]

for sure for sure, every weapon has its own dump and how it affects the weapon, in the end what’s usable is what you can work with

[dark sorrel]

I’m super cautious if I’m the one responsible for crates

[willow badger]

whats the best kantrael rn. i just got the autofire mod

[kind scarab]

dNah you were fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine

[golden axle]

probably still the 12 i imagine, tho there are now some arguements for the Ia with autofire.

[dark sorrel]

😭

[radiant raptor]

yeah missions will go more smoothly if the team plays together for sure but there's just builds in the game where you can fuck off and be fine unfornuately

[dark sorrel]

I don’t even think he was running a Loner stealth build

[dusk idol]

fatshark makes a four player co-op game that really really tries to make you stay with the team

fatshark makes loner

[tawny pawn]

man, shotgun + shovel, these are the wettest and chonkiest sound effects i've ever heard

[golden axle]

PANG

[kind scarab]

If we play, I'll be sure to hold onto the crate until you pistol whip me

Or until I remember to use it

[golden axle]

in the evac ship ofc

[kind scarab]

Ohhhh

Great idea

[dark sorrel]

What’s ur steam

[kind scarab]

Oh it's just Doc

[dark sorrel]

There’s like 80 of them

[kind scarab]

That is fair

[dark sorrel]

[kind scarab]

[echo pendant]

[hoary valley]

highest overall damage output melee weapon ?

[kind scarab]

Single target, or multiple target?

[hoary valley]

both

[astral blade]

Question what y’all opinion on the “leave no one behind” passive

[kind scarab]

Power Sword then

[dusk idol]

overall or just for vet?

[kind scarab]

What about it?

[astral blade]

Just curious if y’all think if it’s a good or bad passive

[dusk idol]

i'd have to agree, powersword or chainsword would've been my stab

[strange ledge]

Again, single target or horde?

[kind scarab]

It's alright if you have nothing better to spend your last point on

[dusk idol]

he replied here

[kind scarab]

Or if you're using it as a travel node

[radiant raptor]

i would say chainsword, those light attacks turn hordes into mulch

[strange ledge]

Oh thought you were asking about melee across all classes mb

[dusk idol]

lmao all good

i was just asking if he wanted to know the best overall melee weapon for vet or in the game lol

[candid bridge]

For ease of use I’d say power sword mk3

[raw steppe]

it's not lol

it's stronger but much harder to use

wot

[candid bridge]

I agree the mk6 is better. But the Mk3 horizontal heavy swings are going to appeal to players more in general.

[dusk idol]

it also loses on the high push attack damage as well sadly

[raw steppe]

yes but heavies have much better cleave values

on the baseline

[radiant raptor]

PS3 heavies are fast to charge anyway

[raw steppe]

base values

[fallen geyser]

if i get thrust off a combat axe i can only put it on a combat axe right?

[kind scarab]

Yes

[fallen geyser]

bah

[strange ledge]

Welcome to the darktide crafting hellhole

[fallen geyser]

why on earth they changed it so much from VT i don't know

[umbral scaffold]

I only roll 360s+ because of that

[raw steppe]

heavies have better dmg profile

i misspoke

[amber portal]

you light spam maniacs

[placid portal]

Heavies do have better DMG modifiers usually

[candid bridge]

New players aren’t going to understand this

[fallen geyser]

so is there a "best" mk of power sword? or should i jsut stick with this?

[candid bridge]

Which I why id put the mk3 over the mk6 for ease of use

[amber portal]

arent we talking about that guy's caxe >_>

[placid portal]

Power Swords are Powerswords they do the job right

[raw steppe]

yeah but a new player is not going to have pc4, and with either pc0 or pc1 the heavy profile is going to be much better

[radiant raptor]

yeah charged attacks are static so it doesn't matter whether you light or heavy with it. only the attack pattern differs

[candid bridge]

I get that

[hearty panther]

the 6 also has a cooler hilt. you can't put a stat to that

[amber portal]

shredders pretty bad but yeah

until you get a good ps anyway

[candid bridge]

But new players only understand heavy = more damage and will prolly find the heavy attack pattern on the mk3 better for horde clearing

[radiant raptor]

exploits not knowing what mods are is amazing

they wouldn't even know about the special action to begin with tbf

[raw steppe]

no because I dont think most people coming in here who are asking about it are gonna have pc4 nor are they gonna have the patience to bother learning the combos to kill maulers/crushers

[amber portal]

why are yall so worries about new players

the gonna do what they do until they learn

[radiant raptor]

not a stretch, i played with a new player that didn't know he had a flashlight until level 20

[hollow turtle]

Hell, you meet level 30s with damnation picture frames in Auric Damnation mission that didn't know a BoN that pukes on you will eat you.

[radiant raptor]

[amber portal]

gotta give people some credit

not everyone is dense

[hollow turtle]

You sometime wonder, "How are you level 30?"

[raw steppe]

if you're asking for what to use that's easy, you shouldn't be recommending them PS in the first time to be fair

because ps is kinda ass on the baseline

you pretty much need power cycler3 or 4

for it to be even useable

you should be recommending something that is relatively independent on blessings

[hollow turtle]

I think what's easy to use is what someone main'd up to level 30 because they somehow become godly at it.

[amber portal]

i dont have t4 pc yet and sluaghterer bm is doing fine

[candid bridge]

With the randoms I get in 4 or 5s I give none of them credit lol

[radiant raptor]

that's a stretch, attack patterns are different but they're the same

[amber portal]

t4 pc is good but your ps isnt bricked without it

[radiant raptor]

stronger

disagree

[raw steppe]

yep, but i dont think the weapon is worth using over other weapons without either 3 or 4 on it

[radiant raptor]

it's just player preference

which one you like better

[dark sorrel]

Is this with headhunter?

[radiant raptor]

how many people actually use the block attack

[hearty panther]

You keep calling it the light 4 but im pretty sure its the light 3 <.<

[amber portal]

across all the characters id only pass on ps if i could use another class specific wep

[radiant raptor]

it's a power sword. you get power cycler, charge it up, kill everything, amazing

[dark sorrel]

Blessing

[hearty panther]

Oh so they moved it

[dark sorrel]

Isn’t that what the blessing is called lol

Or is it headtaker

[hearty panther]

Wonder when that happend

Or i have dementia which is also possible

[radiant raptor]

btw you're a VET like use your gun for bosses

i can do the same with my gun too so

[raw steppe]

20 seconds

[hearty panther]

Man i can't wait for them to delete survivalist

[hollow turtle]

but why doe. That's our whole thing. We're gunslingers.

[upper bramble]

Survivalist is just way too impactful for every aspect of the game

[amber portal]

realistically youre team is helping you so take that 30 sec with a grain of salt

[raw steppe]

but yeah ps6 is better due to it being a bit overtuned

[hearty panther]

There are much better ways to increase ammo capacity that doesn't involve an ammo regen aura that makes everybody have bottomless reserves.

[raw steppe]

but ps3 is still much much easier to use

[hearty panther]

It's a sooper broken aura and it needs to die

[ornate remnant]

what's the best Kantrael variant? And what even is the difference between them?

[amber portal]

ps6 does take more know how than ps3 though

i agree

[raw steppe]

have you used a ps3

lol

it's literally braindead

yes

i've used both

[hollow turtle]

Right now, the IA.
Difference is fire rates.
Be sure to get yourself the full auto mod though. Carpel Tunnel simulator if you don't.

[raw steppe]

i don't think ps6 is as easy to use as you make it out to be, the patterns and aiming the push attack that a bit of getting used to

compared to ps3

[sharp epoch]

ps6 is better the lights do almost the same damage and come out faster

[radiant raptor]

fire rate, damage and ammo. IV has the fastest firerate and most ammo but lowest damage then it's vice versa with XII

[hearty panther]

and the hilt is cooler. did i mention the hilt?

[sharp epoch]

ps6 light does like 280 while ps3 heavy does like 360

[ornate remnant]

Is Fire Frenzy or Deathspitter better?

[golden axle]

yes

[amber portal]

the one that gives power forgot which one

the other one is just damage

[ornate remnant]

what's the difference?

What does higher power do for me other than higher damage?

[sharp epoch]

Wrong values but similar damage difference

[amber portal]

power is like "increase all stats"

damage is just damage

[raw steppe]

ya lets see where we land once the next balance changes come in

6 is a bit overtuned currently

[gritty dock]

How to arrange such fights in the arena?

[sharp epoch]

they really nerfing and buffing powersword every patch, when does it end

[golden axle]

i wouldnt say overtuned is the right word. Its in a good spot IMO the main problem is that FS didnt design a functional role difference between the 3 and 6 unlike how the Deimos and Illisi force swords fit different roles.

[raw steppe]

they do have one design-wise, they just flubbed it numbers-wise

they want 6 to be the more defensive, better single target weapon

and the 3 to be the more offensive, clear

but charging up the weapon and swinging 3x with PC

makes both of them clear insanely hard

[golden axle]

Right. I said they didnt design a *functional* role difference.

[raw steppe]

so probably what they will do most likely

is hit the damage dropoff

of the 6

that way, it retains the ability to kill single targets really hard, retains the defensive benefits via charge chaining into block and the push attack combo killing pretty much everything

[golden axle]

if anything needs to be reworked ffs its the damn chainaxe

[mellow grove]

god please

btw whats the go to on blessings for the shovel

[golden axle]

decimator/uncanny

[mint talon]

best blessings for the stub revolver?

[golden axle]

hand cannon and surgical

[left zealot]

Best blessings for heavy bolter?

[raw steppe]

one easy way for them to fix it

the powersword issue

is simply removing the cleave from the special

make it boost dmg only

[golden axle]

shatter/surgical or shattering/pinning i think? that ones been debated a bit more lately.

[raw steppe]

that way the lights and heavies get their identity back

[golden axle]

shattering is a definite

the other slot is hmmmmmmmmm

[pulsar drift]

power sword overkill dmg lmao

[left zealot]

But heavy bolter though. I was just being silly. Since you seem to know all the best blessings by heart.

[pulsar drift]

effective dmg 100k

[golden axle]

Oh you mean like the bolter with the backpack?

and yes, optimization crafting is a fun hobby

[ebon umbra]

bolter aka the ammo economy killer

[left zealot]

Like the weapon everyone wants them to add, like the autocannon for ogryn

[golden axle]

ill happily just take the things that had their images leaked eons ago

the long las, the melta, the force greatsword

[left zealot]

They should let us play as a custodes

[golden axle]

alright Cavill settle down

[untold mulch]

If his series launch off

we are gonna se soooo many new people

[golden axle]

heres hoping, games workshop is weird about film and shows

they just got good animation after kidnapping all the freelance 40k animators like the astartes guy and SODAz

[untold mulch]

Tbf, he looks like the type of nerd lord that GW would love to work with

[balmy terrace]

'crab designed it' is such a funny phrase lol

[golden axle]

would be great though, big influx might get FS to take slightly less vacations.

[left zealot]

Did you get your name Bolt Vanderhuge, from the movie that was watched by those people and they made up a lot of extra names like Slab Bulkhead and such?

[untold mulch]

[golden axle]

A David Ryder name from MST3K yes 😄

Buff DrinkLots

BigMcLargeHuge

[left zealot]

Gristle McThornBody

[plucky cosmos]

does anyone run grenade tinkerer?

[golden axle]

is that the grenade regen or the extra nade i forget

[sharp epoch]

crab made devil claw op

[hollow turtle]

It's funny that if Cavill's series takes off, people would flock to DarkTide, but the reality is that DarkTide is a stain on the back alley wall of the universe that is 40k.

[plucky cosmos]

the one that improves all grenades

[golden axle]

Ohhhh, no not really. Veteran is starved for talent points for the bottom section.

[sharp epoch]

i cant wait for darktide 2

[golden axle]

So sadly it gets cut most often

[hollow turtle]

Heck if his series doesn't cover Chaos, people would definitely be lost in DarkTide.

Wonder if its the same universe and all.

[left zealot]

Are they going to make a Darktide 2 soon? Or you wouldn’t think so?

[hollow turtle]

Doubtful.

[golden axle]

hard to say if thats on the table at all

[plucky cosmos]

ah ok bcs i was thinking about using it but i would loose 15 toughness and 10% hp

[hollow turtle]

I feel like there's still lots to expand on here. The second hive city is still a thing.

[queen fox]

recoverable?

[golden axle]

genestealer cults or riot

[golden axle]

its a chainaxe so not atm no.

[queen fox]

i wonder if the brittleness from thunderous affects the rip dmg on light attacks

[left zealot]

What is the main thing holding the chainaxe back?

[robust mirage]

think i used my plasma gun too much it looks melted

[golden axle]

it has camera locking and snapping on its attacks, not just the special.

which is a death sentence

[queen fox]

imo? the lights should 1hit all chaff

and 2hit most elites/specials

[slow spade]

I do

[hollow turtle]

Didja know that Archivum Sycorax mission was actually hinted at in the Enclavum Baross mission way before the Sycorax mission actually was released?

[slow spade]

For my plasma gun + shredder nade build

And yes it does give stun immunity

[hollow turtle]

So FS has a tendency to drop clues to future content.

[slow spade]

For whatever fucking reason lol

[left zealot]

Why would they not fix the camera locking in a game like Darktide when you need to be able to look freely?

[golden axle]

because FS

trust me, the chainaxe is cool as shit aesthetically, id love to be able to use it.

[willow badger]

okay how tf does the laspistol do so much damage

[fallen geyser]

These stats ok?

[golden axle]

but i get my axe stuck in the first thing i hit in a crowd and then get mauled by the rest while im unable to mvoe or block

[willow badger]

this thing fkn shreds

[hollow turtle]

Need a really good roll on the chainaxe to make it not a hindrance.

[shadow dagger]

it would be really weird to stop the camera locking though wouldnt it?

[slow spade]

Its the Emperor's personal sidearm

[golden axle]

weakpoint/crit multiplier is like x3 which is insane.

[fallen geyser]

another las pistol convert ^_^

[queen fox]

the light attacks need to be the highest single target melee dps to justify being aim locked

[golden axle]

high risk/high reward weapon for accuracy

[plucky cosmos]

wait a min aren't all chain weapons affected from the lock on?

[left zealot]

I’m sure all the CSM are angry that the chainaxe sucks

[willow badger]

like holy shit it's like outshooting all the actual lasrifles

[shadow dagger]

since theyd have to decouple the sawing animation from your first person view

[golden axle]

on their special attack yes, the chain axe has it on its REGULAR attacks

[slow spade]

The real reason why Horus died is because the Emperor shot Horus in the weakspot with a laspistol

[hollow turtle]

Chainaxe is locked on both light and special attacks. All other chain weapons only lock on special attack.

[plucky cosmos]

yikes

[robust mirage]

question is the "old" inquisitor trooper armor on the vet locked out now? (hte one you got trough penances)

[queen fox]

no
evi heavies lock when they reach their cleave limit iirc

[dapper vessel]

yes

[plucky cosmos]

i'm gonna stick to my chainsword then

[queen fox]

could be wrong tho i havent used it in a while

[fallen geyser]

So does hadron hate me?

[queen fox]

slaughterer is good

[fallen geyser]

need PC 4 not even seen it yet

[robust mirage]

she hates us all

[queen fox]

i got pc4 on my like 5th gun

im lucky

[golden axle]

Uhhmm, switch super to powercycler because slaughterer is great. Switch unarmoured to flak or maniac and just eat the hit on the crit roll.

[queen fox]

5th sword, im inebriated

[fallen geyser]

If an Ogrin charges at teh tech priest does that make him a large hadron colider?

[golden axle]

hadron could definitely have bricked that harder

[plucky cosmos]

mind if i show you guys my build? would be interesting to hear your opinions

[golden axle]

lets see it

[fallen geyser]

well i need to find pc first >.<

[golden axle]

ok well dont actually use a powersword without cycler, its awful.

just hang onto it for now

[left zealot]

What do people think is the best weapon to use until you get a PS6 with PC? Rashad axe? Devil claw 1/4/7?

[stray storm]

Mfw when we fight a Heresy mission through hell and back, 4 deaths, 2 plague Orgyns, dozens of near death clutches, and Darktide decides to give you a blue Bolter that does 38 damage:

[fallen geyser]

woo! got PC 4!

[plucky cosmos]

this is the build i play on damnation

[golden axle]

youre spoiled for good options right now honestly, chainswords good, shovel is great, antax/rashad is good, combat blade is good in the right builds, devil claws are decent

if i had to pick like the most optimal that isnt PS, probably shovel and chainsword.

[plucky cosmos]

IF i go for a shovel what blessings should i use?

[golden axle]

decimator/uncanny

uncanny is mandatory, so dont roll with it without that

[fallen geyser]

Ta dah!

[golden axle]

very nice, that'll serve very well.

[plucky cosmos]

hell yeah

[fallen geyser]

😄

[golden axle]

might get stuck on a few on flak dudes but nothing one extra swing wont solve

[halcyon zephyr]

How scuffed are these?

[golden axle]

oh and just in case youre not aware atm, shovel playstyle is currently quick chaining heavies. You dont really need to light anything because of how stupid fast they made the attack speed of heavy chains if you let go at the minimum charge.

[golden axle]

could fix up the left with a sustained fire -> surgical and reload speed to maniac

would serve well

the dmg roll isnt optimal but eh, still might hit BPs in testing

[shell ginkgo]

Right ones pretty scuffed. Left one ain't the best stat roll but it at least has hand cannon

[golden axle]

what they said ⏫

[robust mirage]

how viable is this?

[coarse tide]

Anyone faced this issue using Helbore MK3?
https://streamable.com/e2bxkx

[golden axle]

quite, change groan/pox to flak and terrifying to blast away or whatever the power one is called edit: blaze away

[pulsar drift]

Is this okay

What should I change

[golden axle]

crit chance to unyielding and youre all set.

[balmy terrace]

I still don't understand what crab is supposed to have done like... personally? Like I get he playtested for FS and recommended changes, but like, anything more than that? How much is actually accreditable to him?

I dunno, seems like a cool guy but I just don't understand how one dude has supposedly had so much impact

[pulsar drift]

oki

thx

[halcyon zephyr]

Don't have surgical, best I can do is trickster

[golden axle]

Mmmmm, maybe crucian roulette? you want to be upping the crit chance for its crit bonus if possible

which surgical typically is the best option for

[halcyon zephyr]

I'll aim for it then.

[robust mirage]

@golden axle this one?

[golden axle]

its called Blaze Away but powderburn works decently if you dont have blaze away

[robust mirage]

ok cool ty

the idea is to just go in close with this on my vet and use the shout to gain toughness

at least thats what i'm gonna try for a few runs 😄

[halcyon zephyr]

Hilarious, got t4 on first try. Where was that luck on power cycler.

[golden axle]

lmao

[halcyon zephyr]

This thing is nasty

[edgy jungle]

Which helbore lasgun is best?

[halcyon zephyr]

The one that vendors for the most dockets

[golden axle]

2 or 3, up to preference at that point.

[edgy jungle]

Ok thanks

[left zealot]

What are your favourite weapons for the veteran Bolt?

[golden axle]

right now its power sword MK6 and laspistol

[halcyon zephyr]

seizes braced autogun

My laspistol is equally garbaage

[golden axle]

the new laspistol has been the most fun on vet ive had in a loooong time with the class

[halcyon zephyr]

PC / Slaughterer or PC / BM?

[golden axle]

i prefer slaughterer, people may argue for BM but i prefer the consistency of slaughterer

so down to your preference

[coarse tide]

soooo, no one?

[left zealot]

I’ve been liking messing around with the mk5 autogun recently, but I really like the quick swap speed and ranged damage of the revolver

[hollow turtle]

Just click again. I do see the same issue, but its just.. "wtf" the gun.

[golden axle]

the quickswap revolver shenanigans is definitely sweet

[hollow turtle]

I feel like playing helbore sniper later tonight.

[left zealot]

Too bad you can’t bring every weapon in your inventory.

[hollow turtle]

Nah. It's actually just too bad we don't have a sidearm slot

Would be great to carry a laspistol or revolver for when the rifle runs dry.

[golden axle]

laspistol is my primary

[hollow turtle]

Then a laspistol for your laspistol, sir.

[south prairie]

Revolver is my primary

[hollow turtle]

More laspistol.

Or better yet, allow people to dual wield pistols in that case.

[golden axle]

what I ACTUALLY want is a chainsword/las pistol combo like Viktors rapier/pistol in VT

[shell ginkgo]

Why reload revolvers when I can just draw a new one out

[left zealot]

I guess you could die looking through your 400 chainaxes for the perfect one when the horde of chaos space marines jumps you.

[south prairie]

Yea i woulda love dual wielding

[hollow turtle]

That would be a whole other balance train unfortunately.

[coarse tide]

oh thx, just wanted to be sure it wasn't something wrong with my game

[golden axle]

oh sure, its all fantasy land when it comes to FS lol

[late hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-throw-gun-shoot-desert-gif-15988707

[hollow turtle]

"Switching to your sidearm is faster than reloading."

[kind scarab]

Throwing your sidearm is quicker than switching weapons

[hollow turtle]

Except for when your sidearm is also a sidearm.

https://tenor.com/view/when-no-have-ammo-no-ammo-gif-5440254

[shell ginkgo]

They probably won't end up doing this since imagine doing keybinds for it

[left zealot]

What is that clip from?

[hollow turtle]

Saving Private Ryan

[golden axle]

just have the laspistol shot on the special key and disable chainsword saw or something

same as rapier/pistol in VT

[left zealot]

Keybinds aren’t a problem after playing WoW for a long time.

[shell ginkgo]

Ya, you'd be really gimping some melee weapons taking away their special

[late hatch]

old witch hunter saltz was my jam for ages

[shell ginkgo]

They'd have to make a new weapon built from the ground up for it

[south prairie]

Power sword with no charging button

[golden axle]

WHC was the shit in vt

[shell ginkgo]

Permanently on power sword + bolt pistol just saying

[hollow turtle]

I preferred bounty hunter saltz

[left zealot]

I don’t remember that scene from Saving Private Ryan, but I guess it happened.

[hollow turtle]

Lol it was totally a precursor to me being a veteran in DarkTide

Carrying that 8 shot revolver with the guaranteed critical shot every x seconds without consuming ammo.

[whole moon]

I know I havent built it properly yet but this thing fuckin rocks!

[late hatch]

merc kruber is probs why i play VoC vet a lot now

[golden axle]

revive talent on kruber was better though

kinda bad in Darktide

[left zealot]

Do you think they will add a Sister of Battle class, or is it too similar to Zealot?

[hollow turtle]

Unpopular opinion. I liked Huntsman Kruber.

[late hatch]

it doesnt count as a rev for the scoreboard or penances

[golden axle]

no way, the bow was cool as heck

[tall torrent]

U ever get into one of those lobbies where you win the mission with 8 rescues and all 8 are from you?

[kind scarab]

Immediately disqualified

[hollow turtle]

Very similar to zealot. There is actually a sororitas tattoo in the body shop already.

[hollow turtle]

Lol I used the rifle. You can take out a whole chaos warrior patrol if you chained the headshots

[late hatch]

just think of how popular the cosmetics will be. if they dont make a sister they are stupid imo

[left zealot]

Maybe they could add every 40K faction and then we could play 40K games in Darktide instead of on the tabletop.

[hollow turtle]

If there's a sister in DarkTide, it will be a repentia.

[deft spruce]

me too

[whole moon]

I think its a matter of how much GW would charge FS to reproduce the Sisters IP in DT.

[left zealot]

It would be interesting if you could opt out of your ranged weapon and take two melee weapons in Darktide like the Grail Knight did.

[late hatch]

why wouldnt they just do a reasonably large % over a license fee?

[tall torrent]

I mean
Sister of Battle cosmetic (zealot) can wait
We should get a Sister of Battle themed bolter skin at the very least considering the model in game is actually the SoB model

[hollow turtle]

That would be a total zealot thing to do.

Get the weapon customization mod, and slap a bunch of seals on your bolter.

Then you can call it a sister's bolter

[golden axle]

Im copiuming for a Skitarii class or ratling.

[tall torrent]

Ratling honestly makes a lot of sense
Fixer
Longshooter
Trailblazer

[golden axle]

especially with how much the characters talk about ratlings

[tall torrent]

For 3 branches in the skill tree

[deft spruce]

ratling wont happen (too small) but skitarii is possible

[hollow turtle]

Unlikely. Adept Mech have their own way of dealing with their troublesome individuals. They won't change the initial start of DarkTide just to accompany that.

[golden axle]

why not? Bardin was short too.

[hollow turtle]

Also, if you were a Skitarii, what do you think Hadron is going to do to you?

[left zealot]

Could we be space marines too?

[kind scarab]

Harvest my parts for new weapons

[golden axle]

👉 👈

[hollow turtle]

Exactly.

[tall torrent]

Skitarii unlikely
Ratling maybe

[hollow turtle]

Especially a rogue Skitarii.. In the presence of Hadron? No.

But them oil margaritas would make it worth it.

https://tenor.com/view/tts-beep-mechanicus-gif-19305244

[golden axle]

lol TTS

[gritty dock]

Please help me, which of these 3 swords is the best and what 2 things would you change about it?

[deft spruce]

didnt they say they wouldnt add characters whos height value is too small or something, i might be totaly bullshitting cause i got fed bullshit information

[hollow turtle]

I can't read it. 🥲

I'm American. I'm stupid.

[golden axle]

If they said that i didnt see it or dont remember it

[hollow turtle]

Imagine being a ratling sniper in the middle of a horde. Yeah. Good luck being a sniper.

[gritty dock]

I translated the descriptions in the photos.

[hollow turtle]

Oh. Thank you.
Lol clearly am too stupid to read too. One sec.

[shell ginkgo]

Ratling sniper and three ogryns

[meager remnant]

whats really the difference between the infantry autoguns?

[shell ginkgo]

[thorn lark]

you probably want rampage savage sweep or shred on a claw

[thorn lark]

heavy, mid, light

columnus does more dmg upclose

[meager remnant]

Im assuming the Agrippina is the heavy one?

[thorn lark]

yeah

agri > graia > columnus

[hollow turtle]

I think the middle has the best overall average base rating.
but I like the 3rd ones perks

[meager remnant]

yeah IVe been doing some aurics with it and its pretty solid

ty for info!

[thorn lark]

iirc, pre-patch agri iag had a big wp multiplier

so as long as you could hit head, you could one tap a lot of stuff

with all the changes, i dunno if that is still the case

[gritty dock]

Yes, but which of them is most profitable to change.

[thorn lark]

rampage is broken right now, it's 36 power + dmg... so in total 104 dmg

[golden axle]

yeah thatll get fixed "next week™️ "

[halcyon zephyr]

rampage is the current meta? does that work on power sword?

[shell ginkgo]

Can they fix the damn penance too

[golden axle]

right around when they rework the rework of the Vet talent tree

[thorn lark]

rampage is broken everywhere

[shell ginkgo]

[thorn lark]

so on a psword you would go pc4 rampage

or pc4 bm4

[halcyon zephyr]

friendship ended with slaughterer, rampage is now my best friend.

[golden axle]

you'll be knocking on slaughterers door when rampage inevitably cheats on you

[dark flower]

meep

[golden axle]

will she accept you back? idk

[thorn lark]

probably mk3 would like pc4 rampage more

[halcyon zephyr]

Yeah, all my power swords have power cycler stuck in them and they're pre-patch, so no double blessing.

[gritty dock]

@golden axle Which sword would you choose for the changes? You helped me with a different weapon yesterday. 🙂

[golden axle]

what swords, where. Ah I see your post, lemme look.

[thorn lark]

mk6 is both, but with bm + pc4 and added wp dmg on the left tree you can two tap a crusher

look for milkandcookies video with crab

[gritty dock]

@golden axle Which of these 3 swords is best for changes?

[thorn lark]

but if you have a 6 you can go bm + pc4, that is what i do and it is excellent

i would change the middle one

rampage skullcrusher

and for the perks i would replace one with flak

probably unarmored

[golden axle]

i know the regular setup right now for devilclaw is shred/savage sweep maniac/crit chance but im not the most versed in devil claws. That is just what ive seen used the most recently.

[thorn lark]

well you should test in the psykhanium the bp, or in the calculator

[thorn lark]

@feral stirrup told us yesterday that shreds stacks does not benefit from cleave iirc, so not sure about shred ss

[golden axle]

it doesnt?!

[thorn lark]

let me find it

[astral blade]

wonder if the emperor has an OF or OT

.....

[golden axle]

Oh shiiiiieet. That is news. Thanks for the info.

[thorn lark]

well, test that first

[golden axle]

plan on it

[thorn lark]

but pygex is the guy behind the psyker guide, so a good source

[astral blade]

nope not funny?

[tender bloom]

The emperor stands on business

https://tenor.com/view/druski-angry-upset-mad-jealous-gif-6890123658309712936

[whole moon]

Holy what in everloving holy fuk waT!

[thorn lark]

i did that with my psword

[whole moon]

those models are lovely

[tall torrent]

That’s from mod right

[thorn lark]

and with the extended extended mod you can even have a power axe

[tall torrent]

Am still waiting for that one infantry Autogun skin in the shop to rotate back

[thorn lark]

you need to change the hild and the grip too

[whole moon]

This is what I'm pairing it with, feel its a toss up between some receipts or some bling

cant have both for the combat sword

[thorn lark]

how so?

[astral blade]

seriously how did you get that mag?

i already have the mod

[whole moon]

oh shit, hold on that someone elses

thats mine, sorry I got lazy and made a mistake

I call it 'Chasing the Dragon'

[unique oracle]

anybody wants to do on overwatch penance ???

[dapper vessel]

I love this model

This could be a two handed powersword

[velvet wraith]

worth keeping? wrath -> PC IV & replace 8% w/ 25% maniac

thoughts?

[placid portal]

Nice time to swap for power cycle and maniac

[velvet wraith]

10% dmg to specialist is useless, right?

[placid portal]

Ye you already kill them pretty fast and usually kill them with guns no?

[velvet wraith]

mutant is the only specialist I feel like it might help with a breakpoint

since mutant = specialist and maniac

[placid portal]

Mk6 can do the funny 2 tap kill if you land headshot with push attack

[velvet wraith]

i know that

[placid portal]

Really fun stuff ngl

[velvet wraith]

but most specialists are already low enough health that +10% aint doin nothin

[placid portal]

I'm still practicing th3 input to get it more consistantly

[velvet wraith]

brb to psykharium

[placid portal]

Ye keep elite

[velvet wraith]

checking if I can 1 shot mutant

[placid portal]

Not sure you'd do 2k at most iirc

[thorn lark]

i would keep elite too

[halcyon zephyr]

Love me a silly roll. grabbing a shit green and just saying "fuck it"

[placid portal]

Truely a funny roll

[velvet wraith]

ok confirmed, I can 1 shot mutants with +25% maniac/+10% specialist

[placid portal]

Cool

[velvet wraith]

that alone is worth

[thorn lark]

and the rest?

[placid portal]

Headshot or just body

[velvet wraith]

heavy body

h1 -> body mutant -> 4k dmg

[placid portal]

Nice

[thorn lark]

what about ragers and maulers?

[stray storm]

Is sunder pretty good?

[placid portal]

Ragers will definitely get merc'd but pretty sure muties just take more melee dmg

[stray storm]

Idc about the stats I’m just wondering about the blessing

[thorn lark]

not really

[reef cedar]

power cycler is a requirement for power swords

imo

[umbral scaffold]

is rampage good on the power sword?

[halcyon zephyr]

I think he means to rip off

[thorn lark]

yes and it's bugged rn

[umbral scaffold]

hows it bugged

[thorn lark]

not if he has 6k bucks

[velvet wraith]

4 shots for mauler

not good

3 if I do push thrust down slash

[stray storm]

I got a better sword with Brutal momentum and Wraith

[placid portal]

Oof

[thorn lark]

it's 36%power and they forgot to remove 50% more dmg

[umbral scaffold]

so when they fix the bug will it still be good with the sword?

[thorn lark]

it's good, but rn it's broken

power is dmg, cleave and stagger

it's good

[feral stratus]

I think they changed something with the Krak grenades making them not being able to one shot crushers in Damnation without having them upgraded?

[stray storm]

Oh wait Melk does have 3 Power cycler

[native warren]

Yo, anybody else rezlly enjoying torrent autoguns? They are good horde butchers it seems to me

[placid portal]

Krak always 1 shot no?

[native warren]

Really*

[stray storm]

If uprgraded yes

[feral stratus]

I think it's been like 3 games in a row that i throw a krak to a crusher stuck him and he doesn't die

[thorn lark]

you cannot keep the activation for the push stab overhead combo with pc3 iirc

[stray storm]

Did you get Grenade Tinkler?

[unique oracle]

if anybody wants to do on overwatch penance or other, message me

[feral stratus]

That's what i'm saying

[velvet wraith]

okay with push thrust down, I 2 tap ragers (flak and unarmored)

[feral stratus]

I thought even without tinkerer it was a one shot while i was testing

[placid portal]

Pc3 push attack is an? overhead to side sweep no

[velvet wraith]

i 2 tap crushers with push thrust down as well

[placid portal]

Nice

[stray storm]

Perhaps get Superiority Complex passive Violet

[velvet wraith]

I am like 10 dmg short of 2 tapping maulers

[thorn lark]

i was talking about mk6

[feral stratus]

I'll try it real quick on the meat grinder

[upper lichen]

will Headhunter reset if your crit shot misses a target or will it only reset after u hit something with a crit

[thorn lark]

yeah there is no poke with the mk3

[placid portal]

I was talkin about this

[placid portal]

Resets on miss or crit

[upper lichen]

rip

[thorn lark]

oh, i never tested it properly with the 3, only the 6

[placid portal]

Lol np

[golden axle]

[feral stratus]

Even without Tinkerer nor superiority it still oneshots

[golden axle]

im not sure why Sunder exists

[feral stratus]

For some reason in game it happened a few times that they don't die

[astral blade]

what y'all think?

[stray storm]

Ok one question out of 4 Wraith and 3 Brutal Momentum should I replace with power cycler for the meantime?

[placid portal]

Juicy

[velvet wraith]

OK I lied, +25% maniac and +10% specialist is really good for PSVI

[thorn lark]

wrath

[golden axle]

replace wrath

[fading basin]

Wrath def

[velvet wraith]

it is allowing me to 1 shot trappers and maniacs

[thorn lark]

bm3 is still good

[golden axle]

bromentum/slaughterer is the pick alongside PC4

[placid portal]

Yeee

[feral stratus]

Unless the game is not allowing me to try damnation meat grinder for some reason i don't understand

[placid portal]

Bromentum got some juicy changes

[astral blade]

now how about this bad boy?

[golden axle]

the box is odd i think

hand gonna clip

[astral blade]

any better?

[daring peak]

should i grab this to steal the blessing?

[cloud leaf]

Does anyone know of reciprocity works with range or is it melee only

[velvet wraith]

no rampage is trash on ps

[trim hemlock]

If you can afford it, sure, it’s a free real estate Rampage 4

[tardy vine]

W8 wat

[velvet wraith]

relative to bromentum, rampage is trash

[junior grail]

I dont use Rampage but i know LOADS who would get triggered by that statement haha

[daring peak]

actual bait lmao

[half wigeon]

What are best blessing for reccon accatran 6 ? Infernus dumdum ?

[golden axle]

In all seriousness. Power sword has mandatory Power Cycler therefore you have 1 singular blessing slot. Its a heavy competition when slaughterer and bromentum are in the mix.

[golden axle]

infernus/headhunter but id still steer clear of recons atm, theyre not super great.

[half wigeon]

Idk only weapon i liké to play

With thé Colomnus

[south garnet]

even understanding it intellectually, before I got cycler 4 I didn't fully grasp how much having it changes PS as a weapon, I absolutely HATED it before and now I'm finding reasons to shove it into all my builds

completely different weapon

that was literally yesterday btw

900 hours

[feral stratus]

How are atrox axes?

[velvet wraith]

uptime for rampage when needed for breakpoints is low relative to uptime for bromentum which is 100% that's just my take

[golden axle]

consistency is key

[south garnet]

I used to love them but now they're not great

[finite imp]

hey real quick when it comes to damage resist on curios what kind of enemy are maulers

[golden axle]

i think its antax/rashad as the popular picks atm

[feral stratus]

Yeah i think i heard of it

[velvet wraith]

Going to save this sword for when I get PC IV..

[feral stratus]

Asking because i had this from Melk

[velvet wraith]

It is going to be my chaff and specialist killer. Any elites can die to the bolt gun i've decided

[golden axle]

lol oh no the mobility

[feral stratus]

Stuck to the floor hitting the enemy

[golden axle]

its a 331 rating so the stat ratio is gonna be wonky like that

[daring peak]

nice

[golden axle]

there isnt

but for future reference of classification they are "elites"

[tender rose]

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-perfect-emperors-new-groove-very-good-gif-5346522

[finite imp]

Another weapons manufactorum needs purging!

[half wigeon]

So thé Recon 6 not worth using in Auric maelstrom even maxed out ?

[golden axle]

you'll be fine if your fundamentals are fine. Its just going to be far less efficient than other options right now if optimization is your goal. The changes to crit strings really hurt the recons (as well as the talent adjustments) So all in all you deal less dmg to armored targets and your ammo efficiency went from nigh infinite to ammo glutton.

If youre concious and not spray happy you'll be less of an ammo chewer but its going to happen regardless with the crit strings going from like 5 to 2. (I forget the actual number but i recall it being 3 or 4 less)

[half wigeon]

Hummm

Yeah liked the weapon a lot but now damage are so cheap

[brisk umbra]

I would say Vets weapon atm are either Revolver/laspistol/Plasma for the great ones, and the rest are good if you're okay with being an absolute ammo hog

[golden axle]

yeah thats about right. Laspistol/stub are just such overperformers rn.

[half wigeon]

Playing the Colomnus and i'ts top tier in my opinion

[tawdry swan]

worth picking up from mr milk?

[bitter turtle]

There is 0 reason to use recon over columnus

Just use columnus

[tawdry swan]

what are usually the desired blessings on this thing?

[bitter turtle]

If you like recon

[tawdry swan]

those 2 seem good

[brisk umbra]

Again, not saying it's bad, it's just that the ammo consumption of every other weapon is insane

Even the Recon Lasgun are still good now, but you just chew through ammo

(except shotguns, fuck em)

[bitter turtle]

You don't need to ammo hog on iags

[golden axle]

bromentum and decimator usually with maniac/flak as the perks

[bitter turtle]

And no, recon is just iags but bad

[half wigeon]

Heavypistols using a lot of ammo too

[bitter turtle]

Their maniac multiplier still is ass

[sharp epoch]

laspistol ammo hungry cause the low reserves

[opal grotto]

wtf is "iags"

[bitter turtle]

Infantry autogun

[golden axle]

also that dmg roll is :C

[brisk umbra]

i'll be honest, the only moment i pick up ammo as a lastpistol is after a boss

[tawdry swan]

o true

[midnight mortar]

Infantry Auto Guns.

[half wigeon]

What would be perk & blessing for pistols ?

[raven carbon]

what should I dump stat on plasma guns?

[golden axle]

for laspistol? infernus and ghost with crit chance and maniac

or dumdum if you dont like infernus

[half wigeon]

Ghost ?

[brisk umbra]

Dumdum+Inferus imho

[half wigeon]

Yeah lmao

[golden axle]

Ghost is too valuable

[brisk umbra]

you get the best of both words

[half wigeon]

Dont like Ghost xD

[midnight mortar]

Ghost triggers Duck and Dive, doesn't it?

That's the whole reason it's good?

[kind scarab]

Yes

Yes

[bitter turtle]

Stripped down doesn't trigger duck and dive 😔

I was so disappointed

[golden axle]

you dont like walking toward and gunning down shooter hordes while being invincible? Ill take that over a bit of dumdum +% any day.

[half wigeon]

Dumdum full stacked isn't a bit xD

[upper lichen]

orllyyyyyy

[golden axle]

again, 5 stacks of dumdum still makes me dead versus hails of gunfire

[midnight rune]

So I’m out of touch and have been using the same old ps3 and antax5 forever, what are the meta melee options these days?

[upper lichen]

everythings good now but devils claw is awesome

[brisk umbra]

PS6 mostly, and shovel is quite decent after the patch

[half wigeon]

So onslaught aint worth using on laspistols ?

[bitter turtle]

Not a laspistol user but have you tried sliding lol

Gunfire is easy to avoid nowadays

[brisk umbra]

PS3 is still great tho

The PS6 mostly has the ability to two shots crushers if you have them perfect

[bitter turtle]

Imo at least

[golden axle]

im not advocating ghost as the only solution to dodging gunfire. This is in conjuction with regular dodging. In the long run ghost saves you plenty of dmg you'd receive here and there.

[brisk umbra]

(oh and the PS6 has an AWFUL slow down on special activation)

[bitter turtle]

That's fair, js since not enough ppl abuse how good sliding is vs gunfire lol

[golden axle]

cancel into block/push or slide

[brisk umbra]

it's still slow as fuck my man, even if you cancel it

[bitter turtle]

And you should always slide during PS6 activation unless you do the block stab

[brisk umbra]

Just give me the same slowdown as the 3 è_è

[golden axle]

oh sure, example is slide most of the way toward a bunch of gunners and then stand up and weakpoint them down while receiving no dmg.

[bitter turtle]

It largely nullifies the downside

[midnight rune]

Okay, so, what shovel and devil claw blessings do you guys like? I assume flak and…uh, I don’t know, unarmored, for the perks

[golden axle]

shovel is decimator/uncanny

with maniac/flak

[midnight rune]

Aaah ok just keep beating that crusher in the head until it gets soft

[south spindle]

Depending on what your build has you might actually not want Uncanny on Shovel

[south spindle]

If you already have Rending bonus' from the talent tree, you'll see more damage out of Skullcrusher + Decimator

[golden axle]

idk man, having used a shovel without uncanny and then moving to uncanny it just feels a lot better. I was previously on skullcrusher but ehhhhh

was the same for trying dueling swords on psyker without uncanny

felt worse