veteran-class

[radiant chasm]

Wrath doesnt let you block or whiff or stop swinging

[kind scarab]

Flak should always die without need of investment, as well as unarmored

[radiant chasm]

Take wrath if you can but pretty sure sweep 2> your current DS

[valid apex]

is critical bonus DAMGE? or just crit chance?

[slow spade]

The only flak enemy for revolver with decent hp is the scab rager

[kind scarab]

Iirc both

[slow spade]

Iirc scab rager has 2400 hp

Which revolver breaks without a sweat lol

[kind scarab]

^

[terse idol]

funni numbers

[bold ibex]

sweep 2 has higher mod for sure but lower uptime... but I yolo'd a chainsword with good damage mods and got this.

so I'll try making this savage sweep and see what happens

[slow spade]

"4900 enemies staggered" what the fuck lol

[valid apex]

is this damage too low on it?

even though the pen is good?

[kind scarab]

What on earth were ya'll playing

[tawdry hull]

i use maniac/flak

[slow spade]

I mean its probably ok but definitely room to improve

[kind scarab]

A 2h maelstrom?

[slow spade]

Sedition UwU

[candid bridge]

Yeah but you could still use it

[tawdry hull]

but not like i can choose 2 rolls amyways...

[kind scarab]

If only it had that many enemies, I might enjoy playing it

[valid apex]

or

[candid bridge]

That’s much better lol

[glossy anvil]

sunder

[radiant chasm]

Not lower uptime cause DS crit rate lower

And it doesn’t help into 1-2 targets

[kind scarab]

^

[tawdry hull]

good enough

[kind scarab]

And you're also losing out on the Crit perk

[radiant chasm]

Sweep is always active when you need it

[tawdry hull]

imo

[bold ibex]

it's absolutely lower uptime. going 5 seconds without getting a crit is basically never gonna happen

[kind scarab]

This should be fine I think

[tawdry hull]

omfg

[radiant chasm]

Going 2 seconds without hitting 3 enemies also never happens

[valid apex]

just made these

[tawdry hull]

i pray for you

[radiant chasm]

Unless you dont need cleave for that fight

[tawdry hull]

wtf

lmao

[kind scarab]

Right one is pretty dang good

[bold ibex]

nah that happens pretty regularly. Have to use heavy attacks instead of spamming through with lights.

[tawdry hull]

this drool

[valid apex]

seems like getting handcannon is a nightmare, yea?

[kind scarab]

Pray for Surgical+HH or Mani/Cara

[radiant chasm]

Well you should be using heavies so you dont use your strike down light attack

[kind scarab]

Not really, but it's nice to have

[radiant chasm]

Like if you want to play like that fine

[slow spade]

Handcannon is mostly for the 1 shots

[kind scarab]

^

[bold ibex]

chainsword attacks so quickly that the strike down light isn't a big deal. It also just does loads more damage against beefier foes.

[valid apex]

and damage in general. lol

[slow spade]

You're fine to not have it just don't bother with carapace

[kind scarab]

The rending only helps so far

[low oar]

Hand cannon helps a fuck load. It just turns off armour effectively

[terse idol]

Handcannon surgical 😌

[radiant chasm]

But dont use your lack of attack combo skills as an arguement

[slow spade]

True, its like 20% iirc

[radiant chasm]

What, DS isnt a damage boost

[valid apex]

it's really nutty seeing some of these blessings. like other weapons will NEVER compete with a gun without something similar

revolver not only hits hard...but also has surgical AND true damage

[low oar]

Hand cannon + crucian. I just never hold a revolver for that long before I switch tbh

[kind scarab]

iirc every 10% rending is worth 2% damage after you hit rending cap

[radiant chasm]

And the strikedown isnt for horde clear

[slow spade]

Revolver also has piercing

[terse idol]

I can kinda see hand cannon getting nerfed fr

[radiant chasm]

Like okay if you want to play that way fine

It is okay

[terse idol]

sooo enjoy the stonks while it lasts

[valid apex]

i mean even tier 1 is 50%. lol

[low oar]

80% rending on unarmored is literally 40% more damage

[valid apex]

that's 16 stacks of onslaught

[slow spade]

Didn't patch 13 say its 1:4 conversion?

[kind scarab]

Same honestly

[bold ibex]

Don't use 'dur u bad u dont agree with me' as an argument. I outlined situations where it doesn't reliably work.

[radiant chasm]

But it is not an argument to not use proper melee combos

[low oar]

80% rending on top of the increased damage on crit

[slow spade]

Or was rending changed in Patch 14

[kind scarab]

It's probably that, and I got the math wrong

[radiant chasm]

Your situations are all you playing suboptimally

[valid apex]

on revolver DESTROYS bosses. lol

[terse idol]

Ngl

[slow spade]

Ah I just recall the Patch 13 explanation basically saying "every 4 rending over 100% gives 1% damage"

[terse idol]

Imo revolver is wasted on exec 🥹

[slow spade]

Non-sense bigger number

[kind scarab]

All my games are me playing suboptimally.

That's the challenge.

[terse idol]

So awkward if you want to extend the exec cooldown

[slow spade]

Just don't extend it then

[radiant chasm]

Total rending bonus you can get is capped at 100%, unless you have a blessing that goes higher, than that is your new cap

[kind scarab]

(Unless i'm doing weeklies, then I whip out the revolver to breeze through)

[terse idol]

B-but

NOT EXTENDING EXEC?!

[bold ibex]

Here I can do it too. "No your situations are bad and you're wrong because you're bad."

[radiant chasm]

So if you had a 80% rending plus 50% rending, youd only apply a bonus of 100% rending

[slow spade]

Iirc it should up to 100% then every 4% over gives 1% damage

[kind scarab]

Always extend the Exec

[low oar]

No one is actually good at this game
Skill is just being a little less shit

[kind scarab]

Stretch that bitch like taffy

[gritty mountain]

What's the best blessings for the Mk IX Headhunter?

[slow spade]

As my knowledge of Patch 13 rending goes

[radiant chasm]

Yea cause i dont mix in my strikedowns into my standard horde clear go play how you want

[slow spade]

John Darktide can solo a daemonhost with smoke grenades

The Patron Saint of Veterans 🙏

[kind scarab]

As someone who has a friend who's played since release. And he has a vet called John Darktide.

[whole moon]

Ranged Damage to Flak, leave Raking or Swap for Fire Frenzy?

[kind scarab]

I can confirm, he can solo demonhosts with smoke grenades.

[radiant chasm]

It is obvious you dont want to change or improve you are coming to a conclusion first and working backwards to try to prove yourself right when you shouldnt even care what i think

[low oar]

I miss dropping DH aggro with infiltrate. It was great to gaslight your teammates into blaming someone else for proc'ing the DH

[valid apex]

what does a smoke grenade do for demon? lol

[terse idol]

Hot box

[slow spade]

Indeed

[candid bridge]

Would a talent giving the vet a x% chance to reload their weapon instantly from reserves when killing elites be too op?

[kind scarab]

He pops the smoke, then jumps on a barrel while it explodes to fly far away while the demonhosts is chasing after him

[terse idol]

😌

[slow spade]

It got me killed before but was still funny

[radiant chasm]

No no no

The total +rending bonus is capped

[terse idol]

Why would gunlugger ogryn exist

[radiant chasm]

You can go well above 100% to an armor type

[slow spade]

Ah so you mean the +80% rending from HH stops at 100% rending?

[terse idol]

I don't think it's OP

[radiant chasm]

Im giving a theoretical

[terse idol]

But it just steps On gun ogryn toe

Also I hate %chance

[valid apex]

how much health does nurgle have?

52600?

[ruby fulcrum]

You can only gain a total of 100% rending, but if you already do 80% without rending, then the remaining 80% rending is converted to damage at a 1:4 ratio.

Is that correct?

[candid bridge]

Just picked up ogryn a couple days so I haven’t actually looked at the talents for them so I didn’t know that

[terse idol]

Oh yeah that's fair

If you go right side tree build

[radiant chasm]

If you have multiple sources of rending, your bonus cannot exceed 100%, with one exception if you have a blessing that goes above 100%, which will become your new cap

[terse idol]

Its literally what you suggested

[candid bridge]

Gotcha

[terse idol]

It seems FS wanted to make vet more pin point focused or at the very least fit a different niche than gungryn

[radiant chasm]

I believe you said it right, no matter what your base % modifier into an armor type, you can only add 100%* rending, rending over 100% effectiveness is turned into damage at 1/4th rate

[tall torrent]

Take VoC and just spam infinite toughness overshield

[slow spade]

Seems rending does give 1:4 damage after you hit cap

[radiant chasm]

Patch 14 changed it

[terse idol]

Man it aint infinite

[candid bridge]

Maybe they could make it on “weakspot” kills vs just a %chance or something

[terse idol]

🥹

You gotta cook it abit

[slow spade]

Ah ok I'll read it again

[radiant chasm]

No no no you get damage above 100% yes

[valid apex]

revovler does 4k per shot without unyielding to nurgle weakspot

seems good

[kind scarab]

Change our smokes to incindiary grenades, and we'll cook aight

[slow spade]

That's shit should be 40k

[tall torrent]

5 shots on revolver
-6s CD on every specialist kill
30s VoC CD
15s toughness overshield
Kill 1 specialist with every shot
Toughness overshield perpetual machine

[radiant chasm]

But your total rending score you add on to your base armor modifier cannot exceed your cap now

And the cap is 100% unless otherwise

Another hypothetical

[terse idol]

HmMMMMMmmm

[radiant chasm]

Your gun does 50% damage to an armor type and all your bonuses add up to 200% rending and your cap is still at the normal 100%

[valid apex]

i only have handcannon 1...

[radiant chasm]

You add 50% rending directly to the 50% damage modifier

[valid apex]

rofl

[terse idol]

I got my hand cannon 3, and Surgical

[radiant chasm]

And then transfer 50 more to damage at 1/4th rate

[terse idol]

SO CLOSE

[kind scarab]

Even just HC2 can work

[radiant chasm]

The other 100% rending is leftover and wasted (as of patch 14)

[kind scarab]

You really don't need more than 3 of each of those for 1H on everything

[radiant chasm]

Understand yes?

[terse idol]

But bigger number better
I'll keep that in mind though lmao

[valid apex]

without handcannon 4 and a shit revolver you can do 5665 damage to weakspot...

[kind scarab]

HC3 treating me good

For a 340 this slaps

[valid apex]

i mean

this thing is stupid

[kind scarab]

Yes

I love it, cause it's very satisfying to use if you can aim

[valid apex]

the funny part is the kickback is ALMOST as good

and is in a LOT of ways

[kind scarab]

Kickback needs no aiming at all

Thankfully it's balanced around only being one round in the chamber

[valid apex]

i mean...

it really doesn't matter though

lol

idk 🤣

[edgy condor]

which power sword is best, mk 3 or mk 6?

[atomic zephyr]

depends on preference

[valid apex]

i'm 100% putting unyielding on revolver

silly not to tbh

[kind scarab]

You don't run into enough bosses for that to be worth it tbh

I just toss a couple of nades, and empty my revolver twice and it's usually dead by then

[candid bridge]

Def preference. I’m now a mk6 Stan due to its charged push attack dmg and its light attacks for horde clear vs the mk3

[slow spade]

The only change Rending got in Patch 14 is Rending no longer affects staggers

[valid apex]

you don't think?

i guess it really depends on modifiers and shit. sometimes it's like 4-5

other times...zilch

[slow spade]

MK3 for horde clearand focus on offense (charging does not slow you but cannot block when charging

MK6 for single target but more defenses (cheaper blocking and can block while charging. But charging slows heavily)

[valid apex]

A or B?

[kind scarab]

Like, look at this. It dies so quickly already. If your team is even barely functional. It should be dead before you reload your second salvo of rounds.

[valid apex]

you run kraks?

[edgy condor]

thanks for the info! Based on how they feel I'm personally leaning towards mk 3, as I like the fully horizontal heavy slashes. I had no idea about the differences with the charging though.

[kind scarab]

Ofc

[valid apex]

i think kraks are way overkill for revovler

lol

[kind scarab]

Bulwarks and bosses end runs

[slow spade]

Tbh I didn't know until yesterday myself and some testing

[kind scarab]

Poxwalkers dont

No point not running Kraks

[valid apex]

shredders let you do objectives, deal with mixed hordes, revive...

[slow spade]

Kraks save time and ammo

[edgy condor]

smoke grenade is ass though, and the other one is meh. no matter what your build, krak grenades are always worth taking.

[kind scarab]

Kraks let you do objectives and revive as well

Just use right click to toss them at your feet

[slow spade]

Revolvers can't handle bulwarks well

And you don't need to aim

[valid apex]

revovler does have an issue with bulwarls...unless a teammate engages them

then it's just like everything else. lol

[fallen geyser]

can anyone help me to get mods working?

[slow spade]

Don't worry, the game will personally make sure all bulwarks aggro the Vet without a plasma UwU

[kind scarab]

What point have you reached in setting them up?

[slow spade]

Same with snipers targetig smite psykers UwU

[kind scarab]

I sure hope it does. I'm waiting for them fools.

[candid bridge]

It’s fairly simple what do you need help with

[fallen geyser]

well i downloade mod loader, did what it said then the game wouldn't start....

couldn't sort it out so had to re install >.<

[valid apex]

i just can't get over how much LESS i'm doing while running revolver and the damage is equal to or more than when i was using plasma and hitting every pack + bigger targets

[kind scarab]

AIght, you gonna have to take a step back

If it ain't working, you must've missed a step or did one wrong. So saying you followed the steps is counter productive.

You gonna have to show us a screenshot of the folder at least, so we see you put the files in right first

[feral stratus]

Honestly I don't really see a point about using Frags unless you need that horde clear

But in that case it's a build issue imo

[kind scarab]

^

100% this

Skill issue, or build issue

[slow spade]

Tbh its not that bad as damage isn't really a big deal compared to killing specialists and elites

[valid apex]

i'm not gonna lie...i take frags for ragers. HA

i fucking hate them

[kind scarab]

You can oneshot ragers with the revolver

Boi

[slow spade]

I use power sword for ragers now

[candid bridge]

extract the mod loader to the game directory > extract mod frame work to mods folder > run the toggle_darktide_mods.bat

[fallen geyser]

i mean that's the second try lol first time i made the mistake of letting vortex do it >.<

[feral stratus]

I shoot them in the face

[slow spade]

There's so many fucking ragers

[hollow turtle]

I take the grenade that is the opposite of what my gun does just for some balance, but I understand when people just hyperspecialize like bolter+frags.

[feral stratus]

No issue

[valid apex]

i can see the appeal. i tried it and it felt good but the claw just covers the fuck up/oh shit moments better for me

i'm too used to the parry

[feral stratus]

I'm too used to the claw and Shovel to use anything else

[slow spade]

Yeah its mostly just the power sword staggers them and cleaves through the probsbly 5 ragers in front of me

Idk why they said "we reduced elite spawns" then I see a Vet get like 15 shotgunner kills in 5 seconds

[hollow turtle]

I have not gotten used to the claw at all. I'm a knife user so dodging and applying rending on weakspot is something I'd do when I'm cornered.

[valid apex]

i'm pretty sure you can parry headshot bulwarks

[slow spade]

The Vet lashes out when cornered UwU

[kind scarab]

Yes you can, but it's not easy

[feral stratus]

Wait, do the shovel and the knife have the same amount of dodges?

[slow spade]

Knife has something like 6 dodges right?

Don't think Shovel has that many

[kind scarab]

Knife has 6 yes

[slow spade]

Though mine uses mobility as dump stat

[kind scarab]

Shovel is also 6

huh

Wait no, knife is 5 now?

What?

[feral stratus]

Shovel is better than the knife

[kind scarab]

My knife is 80% Mobility

and still only 5 dodges

Scammed

[feral stratus]

Should have gone for the 100

[kind scarab]

But my 80% shovel says 5 dodge limit

But the tooltip says 6

Bugtide at it's finest

[feral stratus]

LMAO

[kind scarab]

Excuse me while I go dodge a bunch to see who tf is lying to me

[slow spade]

Bruh

Well that's interesting to know

[hollow turtle]

Unlock that inner Skaven and be the rat that bites.

[kind scarab]

Okay

I have no idea what is happening

Cause sometimes I can dodge 5 times

Sometimes 6

Sometimes 10

[slow spade]

Warp fuckery

[feral stratus]

Bugtide

[slow spade]

[fallen geyser]

this right?

[slow spade]

Looks right to me

[feral stratus]

Call the inquisitor. We have some heretic shit on board

[hollow turtle]

Now open the mods folder and show that to us.

[kind scarab]

Looks right so far

[candid bridge]

Show us the mod folder now

[kind scarab]

Open the .txt and show us that it's also right in there. The one in the mods folder.

[hollow turtle]

Let's see what kind of anime mods you have installed now.

[kind scarab]

Show us your mod choices. Show us that Hadron reskin where she has massive uhhh Plot.

[hollow turtle]

||(It's a joke. There are no anime mods. Ya'll weird for thinking there is.)||

[feral stratus]

This is an intervention. We need to stop any kind of heresy is in that folder

[finite imp]

do yall prefer columnus or graia IAG

[slow spade]

There absolutely should

[hollow turtle]

Agri IAG.

[slow spade]

Felinid Beast of Nurgle when?

[finite imp]

agri is fun

[kind scarab]

Like, clearly I must be doing something wrong. Cause I do believe I dodged 9 times there before I was forced to hop.

[finite imp]

but that's a 0% F- answer to the test >:C

[kind scarab]

Show the mod loader setup now

Open the TXT

[hollow turtle]

Imagine a bloated crawling anime cat girl as BoN reskin

[slow spade]

[hollow turtle]

That is so much more terrifying

[shadow arch]

[slow spade]

As Nurgle intended

[hollow turtle]

[feral stratus]

Let me open blender real quick

[slow spade]

I wonder if Darktide increased the amount of "commissions" for Nurgle "content"

[feral stratus]

Nurgle gained too many followers for that

[fallen geyser]

lol ok now it's working

[feral stratus]

"Join me and you can look like this!!"

[fallen geyser]

go figure

[slow spade]

You just had to threaten it first

Simple tech issue

[hollow turtle]

Lol you didn't pray to the Omnissiah hard enough.

[candid bridge]

Did you not run the .bat file before when it wasn’t working?

[hollow turtle]

You forgot to light the holy incense.

[slow spade]

The Machine Spirit responds best under the threat of Task Manager

[feral stratus]

If it doesn't work, I'll throw exterminatus to this planet

[fallen geyser]

aww cross hair hud isn't working 😦

[kind scarab]

Hold up, is that your whole file?

Wait it's all working now?

Aight, good

[fallen geyser]

yup

those are the only mods i have lol

[hollow turtle]

That's not enough, soldier.

[queen fox]

worth picking up from melk?

how is iag mk 8 anyways?

[feral stratus]

I need the view model mod to feel like am playing doom

[queen fox]

this makes me wish fatshark would make a doomclone with their fps melee mechanics in it

[hollow turtle]

This is a very old image, but there's been like 4-6 new mods I added to this list since.

[queen fox]

could be genre defining

[feral stratus]

How would the melee weapons look like tho?

[queen fox]

doom already had the sword and chainsaw ofc

[kind scarab]

Daym boi

That's a long list

[feral stratus]

I mean sure

[kind scarab]

Mine is tiny by comparison

[feral stratus]

But change it to a shovel in the middle of the screen

[kind scarab]

so smol

🤏

[queen fox]

and hammer in eterenal's dlc

[hollow turtle]

Come on, man. Be nice to yourself. It's average size at best.

[queen fox]

i want doom to have tide melee mechanics now

[valid apex]

tanking a boss...3 people alive just shooting it while the team is getting drilled by gunners about 5 feet from us

[queen fox]

tl;dr

[valid apex]

you can't make this shit up

[kind scarab]

It's not the size that matters, it's what I'm doing with it

[iron marten]

no NumericUI is crazy

[hollow turtle]

[kind scarab]

I don't need no bars to tell me I got stuff to kill and enough blood in my body to do so

[candid bridge]

Healthbars and numericUI has been essential for me

[hollow turtle]

I mean. Numeric UI also shows the radius to the medkit.

[iron marten]

NumericUI also shows if the ammo you're about to pickup will have wasted rounds

and dodge counter

[odd sparrow]

oh its numericui doing that

[kind scarab]

Aight, this right there I would find useful

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/доброе-утро-gif-13500984832823480440

[hollow turtle]

That giant list exists for a reason

[kind scarab]

Everything else, I already don't really care about cause played too much V2 and now just go off of how it feels

[hard briar]

me not caring

[candid bridge]

LOL

[iron marten]

plasma guns only is usually 20 ammo anyway!

or 25 if you took the +25% ammo

[kind scarab]

Me sneaking past my friends to steal the plasteel laying on the ground they haven't noticed yet

[hard briar]

me missing 2 ammo
my teammate having non
the ammo crate only having 1 charge

[hollow turtle]

Lol

[hard briar]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-14883606492298699285

[hollow turtle]

Look. If its a guy running the SMG, I will gladly take their ammo away.

[kind scarab]

Queen's gun uses 3 ammo per shot. So by all technicalities they effectively have full ammo.

And they'll still take the ammo

[hollow turtle]

I will do it when I clearly see their skill with a gun just sucks.

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-gif-22075136

[kind scarab]

I was watching some dude running plasma gun earlier today

and he was only shooting pox

[hollow turtle]

Was it @hard briar

[kind scarab]

I dunno, lemme check the name

[iron marten]

tbf, shooting at a horde of pox with a plasma gun is too fun

[hard briar]

My Vet's name is Queen

[iron marten]

I don't blame them

[kind scarab]

They didn't really kill anything else though

[hollow turtle]

It's funny how plasma has the odd niche of being a better horde clear than the bolter.

[kind scarab]

Like, I'd excuse it if they were getting top kills

But this guy was called tall something

I'll find the scoreboard after installing numericUI

[hollow turtle]

glass of wine

[hard briar]

Boltergang after reading this

[untold mulch]

I think we ran into the same mf

I just arrived from a T4

[hard briar]

they are using revoler now

[untold mulch]

Plasma gunner ammop starved constnatly but low in damage chart

kinda weird

mission ends

200k damage 159k overkill

Actual moron hours

[hollow turtle]

Lol that overkill counter

[wooden oar]

imagine shooting poxbursters when you can simply let them jump you and commit suicide. Save yourself the ammo.

[kind scarab]

This was the game

[untold mulch]

Depend on situation is better to shoot to gain space

but yeah pushing it ain't bad

[iron marten]

it's the warm up game trust

[kind scarab]

Was doing a Heresy cause it was the only one with scriptures

[untold mulch]

Not the same guy, they are spreading

HOLY FUCK 156/143K

[wooden oar]

like covid

[untold mulch]

He really was trying to get more overkill

[willow badger]

hit me with your go to chain sword combos.

i know horde is chain heavy

[hollow turtle]

That's exactly what i was staring at.

And that's DOC

Wtf DOC

[desert isle]

sup boys, whats the ideal melee weapon?

[untold mulch]

@kind scarab please

[kind scarab]

Look

[desert isle]

im thinking catachan bush wacker or chainsword

[untold mulch]

DOC

[kind scarab]

That damage is entirely from the cleave on enemies in the way of specials/disablers

[hollow turtle]

Trying to roast someone else, but your damage says a lot. 😆

[iron marten]

eh, it's Heresy, doing that ain't really a problem

[hollow turtle]

What's wrong with the special and disabled?

[untold mulch]

Fair enough, your judgement is delayed

Innocence proves nothing

[kind scarab]

Besides

[candid bridge]

When I see a healthbar for an elite or specialist popup in a horde and I’ve got my plasma, I just start blasting

[kind scarab]

Most specials have way too little health, and I have ex stance up almost indefinitely

So for each one I kill, I'm doing like 2.5k overkill at minimum

[valid apex]

specials need to have more health and player damage against specials need lowered

[untold mulch]

Oh sure, lets make them tankier

[kind scarab]

Like this was a T5 Vent purge

You can see that I still have way too much overkill

[valid apex]

i mean they just flop

[hollow turtle]

I've thought of enabling the healthbar for this, but I just really hate seeing healthbars.

[willow badger]

also any tips for plasma gun. are you guys usually charging every shot max or just spamming left click

[queen fox]

healthbars make this game too easy

[valid apex]

i don't use them

[hollow turtle]

I tend to charge, but most others I know spam.

[candid bridge]

I’ve only got it turned on for the named enemies

[kind scarab]

I have HP on for Oggies

Cause those bastards are too thicc for me to know what tf I'm shooting

And I'd like to know if I hit the head or not, for follow up shots

[torn inlet]

NO I MUST SHOOT THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ENEMY CROWD

[valid apex]

i think a lot of the mods are HUGE QOL...but some of them make the game easier for sure

healthbars one of them

[whole moon]

Its annoying cos if you have the Creature Spawner mod you have no option but to run the Healthbars mod

[kind scarab]

^

[valid apex]

why?

[hollow turtle]

I didn't have to do that with creature spawner. 🤔

[whole moon]

Creature Spawner overrides the Psyk, lets you summon in a wider range of enemies, toggle AI etc. But. Removes the traditional Psyk healthbars

oh, maybe its just my version. I'll recheck that

[kind scarab]

I think they fixed that

But I never removed my health bars

I'm just used to them on the oggies now, and can't go back

[hollow turtle]

Turn off your mods. Play Vanilla for one Auric Damnation mission. Do not turn them back on until you've won at least once.

[valid apex]

the amount of time it saves you in knowing if something is dead or not is actually significant

[kind scarab]

I will not turn off the DarkCache mod

You can't make me

[whole moon]

I already know I can manage this, a Kickback/Clob combo doesnt use mods 😛

[hollow turtle]

Lol that is actually one mod I do not know if it actually works or causes me more problems.

[candid bridge]

There’s a noticeable difference when using the vendors

[kind scarab]

It definitely works for me

[candid bridge]

I turn it off for the aquilas vendor tho

[hollow turtle]

This one is more of a 'you have to' preference.

[kind scarab]

Yeah nah, I only have morningstar caching on myself

[candid bridge]

Lol yeah

[hollow turtle]

Brunt's and Mourningstar for me. I keep checking that place every hour to see if a 370-380 shows up.

[whole moon]

not only do I cache all my own data, I secretly cache docs too

[hollow turtle]

How many Ordo Dockets do I need to give for you to post his secret anime folder here.

[frank ether]

playing psword melee vet also gets you absurd overkill numbers

[whole moon]

I believe a certain Sisterhood have some tough questions for him with regards a certain feed from their shower block.

[sharp epoch]

anyone know how the power sword vi animation canceling works

[frank ether]

I had a game with like 600k overkill

[whole moon]

YOU KNOW THE ONE! DONT MAKE ME SAY IT!

[candid bridge]

PSword + plasma = overkill city baby

[hollow turtle]

[untold mulch]

Noted

Guy still was shooting too much for a plasma user

[willow badger]

based

[untold mulch]

but I see overkill damage is not appropiate to guess that

[candid bridge]

I mean, I also shoot everything that moves with the plasma gun

[hollow turtle]

Makes sense. Horde clearing with a power sword of all things is bound to cause a lot of overkill.

[willow badger]

do u guys charge every hit with psword or do you guys ever just hack and slash hordes with light attack

assuming no power cycler

[untold mulch]

[hollow turtle]

I charge every time.

[terse idol]

Like using Blaze away up does give you that freedom

[candid bridge]

Only time I don’t charge is when it’s by accident lol

[sharp epoch]

dont use it until u get power cycler its pretty shitty without

[willow badger]

any swords that have similar vibes that are still good

catachan?

[hollow turtle]

Lol yeah. Its only when I don't actually have space to charge it without getting hit first.

[candid bridge]

Devil claws and chain swords

[hollow turtle]

Chainswords are love.

[terse idol]

Dclaw is spicy

Casual parry on crusher/mauler overheads

[hollow turtle]

Or you can run a bleed knife.

[willow badger]

i do enjoy chainsword but have been having a good time with psword

need to get better about using the chainsword special tho

[candid bridge]

Psword is such a good-fun power fantasy in the game lol

Vanilla psword was goated

[sharp epoch]

I wish power cycler wasnt mandatory now

just remove it and make it 3 charge always

[candid bridge]

I think default should be 2 powered swings

Then power cycler 4 should be the extra swing

[dark sorrel]

Psword just needs to feel a little bit more flexible and I’d love it more

[kind scarab]

Make PC baseline for PSword and everyone (that is only vets) will be happy

[willow badger]

do you guys usually special attack solo crunchy guys with the chainsword cause i'm guessing you don't wanna be animation locked in a horde

[timid otter]

PS is already good

[kind scarab]

Hell nah, I don't use Chainsword special in hordes

[hollow turtle]

Run this with the +1 bleed stack on hit talent point.

[dark sorrel]

What even is the best vet weapon for mixed hordes

[sharp epoch]

knife vet 😱

[dark sorrel]

I just find myself really struggling if I’m not melee focused

[frank ether]

its already in a good spot

[dark sorrel]

Ik but I’m not Emperor’s strongest warrior

[timid otter]

Grenades!

[frank ether]

it also works good on sharpshooter vet

[sharp epoch]

Powersword is good for mixed

[hollow turtle]

My go to is the knife because my gun is normally something for killing elites/specials.

If I use a gun for mixed horde, it's usually the IAG

[sharp epoch]

best gun for mixed is plasma tbh, deals with every threat including bulwarks

[opal grotto]

So, I'm no stranger to having allies in your way while shooting, (i've been playing the 'tide games since 2016) But these Fuggin New Ogryn players almost seem like its their damn mission to impede your ability, esp. if using "Executioner Stance". Any rectifications? BTW I play Ogryn too and I try my best to stay out of the way.

[dark sorrel]

I tried using Psword with Helbore and I kept taking too long to kill any isolated specialist

[hollow turtle]

'Preciate ya.

[dark sorrel]

And if I’m not in a good position I can easily get overwhelmed lol

So maybe the best weapon for me is just the fucking devils claw lol

[brisk umbra]

that's mostly hellbore taking 87 minutes to take out

[stiff pasture]

Plasma or revolver

[tall torrent]

Use plasma gun, it can shoot enemies through ur teammates

[sharp epoch]

helbores main problem is the pullout time, I'd take revolver if your gonna just be using it for specialist

it'll one tap every specialist except muties in the head

[hollow turtle]

Due to Ogryn THICCness, realize the mentality/instinct of every Ogryn player is to walk straight down the middle of the path.
I'm not saying just stand to the side, I'm saying stand where the others players don't normally go.

[frank ether]

helbore you very much have to treat as your main gun or use volley fire to quickswap

[wraith locust]

Revolver psword is goated combo

You can deal with any situation

[hollow turtle]

Until that revolver doesn't have another bullet in the chamber.

[frank ether]

if you want psword melee vet pair with revolver, columnus, brrauto, shredder, heavy las etc you have options

[wraith locust]

Part of playing with revolver is learning to manage reload

I don’t rlly have issues with it

Don’t mag dump

[sharp epoch]

me shooting regular shooters with revolver

[hollow turtle]

I just like the laspistol instead because of its quickdraw and fast reload.

[brisk umbra]

laspistol has a plus of dealing great boss damage

[willow badger]

As melee vet how do you take down shooters behind cover

[sharp epoch]

I don't like laspistol has that weird cocking thing when you pull it out sometimes

[terse idol]

Uhh, let the ogrynns go in front take damage and eventually they'll make space, if they're in front and there's enemies I need to shoot in front, until I have LoS it just ain't my problem

[candid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-that's-the-neat-part-you-don't-gif-14180388429135427516

[hollow turtle]

You mean it's safety?

[terse idol]

Clearly if the Ogrynn is in front they can handle what's in front of em

[sharp epoch]

yes revolver you can be like pullout and shoot at the same milisecond while laspistol you gotta do that

[opal grotto]

Thats kinda what I started doing. but it makes games get tedious and boring

[terse idol]

On high difficulty I mean, ideally they know

[kind scarab]

Including the barrel I'mma blow up if they won't move out the way

[terse idol]

Or they'll get blasted by the folks vets can't hit

[willow badger]

tru

i leave it to the bajillion other vets on the squad ahaha

[hollow turtle]

When you have two veterans on the sides of a shield ogryn walking down a hallway, you feel invincible.

[candid bridge]

The best is when you play as tiny vet and you get 3 ogryns in your party

[terse idol]

also sometimes, especially when I run revolver or plasma gun I just shoot through them

[frank ether]

if they're behind cover just move?

[hollow turtle]

Bruh, playing with 3 Ogryns is always hilarious.

[terse idol]

There's barely to no Friendly fire damage

And if the spec is outlined it makes it easier

[sharp epoch]

i hate when i kill my team with friendly fire

[hollow turtle]

Man, if this game had friendly fire active like VT2, you know how many Ogryns would learn NOT to stand in front of the veteran?

[terse idol]

Only time that happens is when you hit a barrel fr

[slow spade]

Friendly fire would be interesting

[frank ether]

why act like melee vet cant deal with gunners you have a gun

[slow spade]

But I think people are too close togetherfor it

[terse idol]

I don't know if FF would work in darktide right now

Me as i

[slow spade]

Too cramped and ranged focused imo

[hollow turtle]

Definitely, and people walk in front of LoS pretty often in this game.

[terse idol]

Shoot a full charged plasma gun into the 100 toughness 100 hp psyker

[frank ether]

you also have tools to close gaps and refresh toughness

[terse idol]

"Accidentally"

[slow spade]

Yeah we also likely deal too much damage

Ogryn throws a frag bomb -> team wipe

[terse idol]

Explosive damage like grenades would also suck eggs

[sharp epoch]

isnt friendly fire like halved in vt

[muted knot]

Holy shit why didn't people tell me how fun the plasmagun is ?

[terse idol]

Not unless you're in legendary

[muted knot]

That thing fucks big time

[hollow turtle]

The vet squad lights up the psyker for Warp Fuckery and accusation of heresy.

[terse idol]

Cata you'll kill someone if you shoot them once

[slow spade]

That'll still cleave through toughness for guns like revolver and plasma :c

[brisk umbra]

i don't think the 1260 damage from a charged up plasma would care about 50% damage

[slow spade]

With a good build and gun, you can 1 shot most enenies

[terse idol]

Naw yeah in v2 legendary damage was superhigh

[slow spade]

Its 1650 now lol

Only an Ogryn would stand a chance

[terse idol]

Its how Kirlian would one shot you if she shot her ult into your back

[hollow turtle]

Ogryn and monstrosities.

[hollow turtle]

Wait seriously? Didn't even know FF was that high in VT2.

[terse idol]

Yeah

[kind scarab]

If you played at high enough of a difficulty it was

[hollow turtle]

I miss that game, but I got so used to DarkTide mechanics that I'm always trying to dodge in VT2.

[kind scarab]

Which was perfect for shooting my friends, if they were being little gremlins

[slow spade]

Trollhammer torpedo in the back because they didn't let you get the potion UwU

[terse idol]

I did have abit of an advantage coming into darktide from playing legendary runs with my friends and then cata run on chaos wastes

[hollow turtle]

Lol give veteran Saltzpyre Bounty Hunter ability and someone here will play Commissar shooting others in the back for retreating.

[terse idol]

Give a damage boost to allies in coherency when you execute a friendly for retreating

[hollow turtle]

You know what? That would be a cool special ability. Pull out a bolter pistol for one extremely high shot damage. Upgrade to it being upgraded to a plasma pistol

[terse idol]

[kind scarab]

Aight boiz (or girls, or anything inbetween), pick some random weapons and I'll take'em into my next match

[terse idol]

Commissar talent line for Vet update

[hollow turtle]

Quick, name the shittiest weapons available.

[wanton dawn]

recon

[hollow turtle]

Lol yeah recon ii

[kind scarab]

Recon? Aight

Pick a melee

[hollow turtle]

and that heavy axe

Not the Tac one.

The stupid slow one no one uses.

[glossy anvil]

The single target tac axe

[hollow turtle]

he's about to piss off a lobby

[kind scarab]

My discord died for a bit

Which melee weapon exactly?

Combat axe mk7?

T5 maelstrom, let's see how badly this goes

[tall torrent]

Achlys is fine rn

[hollow turtle]

You gotta make it Auric

[kind scarab]

Aight bet

[late venture]

Fatshark pls fix Scavenger penance so I can get the only helmet I like on my Veteran

[kind scarab]

Cause the one I tried had low level people who couldn't play for shit

And everyone died, with me top of the scoreboard. But I feel that's too disingenious

[hollow turtle]

That's still borked? Lol.

[glossy anvil]

So i played mk3 PS and i hated the dodge. I also watched the milkncookies vid about the mk6. does it feel much better vs ragers?

[hollow turtle]

I just prefer the Mk VI for the two initial horizontal light attacks. I'm not sure about the ragers though.

[wraith locust]

Mk6 basically better in every way

[willow badger]

me rolling without a helmet cause im too cheap to buy one

and too ass to unlock one

[kind scarab]

I'd like to point out

We lost cause a dumbass magdumped into a demonhost

Discord really bugging out for me, it's combined more than one message into one

[dark sorrel]

Why???

[kind scarab]

They weren't paying attention I feel

They tried boltoring a group of reapers, that I avoided for good reason cause of the demonhost

[hollow turtle]

Skill issue. Should've been able to deal with the daemonhost with that mk ii.

[slow spade]

Whenever we pass a daemonhost without triggering

I always get the urge to throw a krak nade on it just to see if I can get away with it

[hollow turtle]

Lol I think the initial smack of the grenade would wake it, then the explosion would trigger it.

[slow spade]

Yeah but it doesn't magnitize so you can just throw it real close probably

[hollow turtle]

Test it in creature spawner first.

[kind scarab]

It would have been fine

[slow spade]

Oh true I should get that mod

[kind scarab]

If I didn't die to a pox burster horde

[hollow turtle]

XD

[slow spade]

Daemonhosts always target the player that can handle the daemonhost once they kill the first dude UwU

[hollow turtle]

That is a mighty fine compliment if that is the case.

[terse idol]

Discord is dyiing

Finally kinda back now doe

[slow spade]

I wasn't able to type earlier

Yeah

[hollow turtle]

I'm just recalling that one time I straight up abandoned my team when a daemonhost was triggered, hoping it would go to one of them instead of me after it killed the first dude.

Nope. Teleported all the way to me.

[slow spade]

Oh yeah people have been terrible with fucking daemonhosts lately

I had 1 game where we had to kill 2 daemonhosts

[plain heart]

Are these blessings additive or multiplicative?

[umbral scaffold]

Now if killing a demon host was a Penance “as in killed more then just 1” and you get a cosmetic for everyone would y’all do it more? And or if killing the demon host offered more rewards or guaranteed 380 rating items?

[kind scarab]

Additive for everything ingame I believe

[plain heart]

so I get 375% Cleave with both active?

[inland knoll]

i want them to drop a loot dice!

but a 380 item is fine too 😛

i mean...any reward would be better than what they offer now

[kind scarab]

My teammates in this game keep getting me killed

Every fucking barrel

I walk next to

One of those asshats blows up, tossing me off the map

[onyx tusk]

It's just funny the way they scream and fly into the abyss tho

[edgy condor]

I've had multiple people tell me that killing deamonhosts gives better end of mission reward items with better item scores, but afaik it's just a myth. One person even claimed that every monstronsity killed in a mission counts towards a better reward item, and that killing a daemonhost counts as killing FIVE monstronsities towards bettering your reward item. But again, as far as I can tell it all seems purely anecdotal. I do agree you should get something if you are able to take them out though.

[inland knoll]

thats how it is in Vermintide though

[edgy condor]

I'd definitely love if it worked that way in darktide, I'm just saying I've yet to see any definitive proof that it actually does work that way in darktide

[delicate wagon]

everytime I play vet auric I get the biggest potatoes as teammates

[dim ermine]

I'm starting veteran rn and the "Resupply Allies" Achievement doesn't seem to work. I tried running just Scavenger (without Survivalist upgrade) but there's no progress at all. Is this a bug or can I somehow work around it?

[next slate]

people risking the entire mission just for the chance of better numbers on a sword does sound funny

[edgy condor]

eh, it's only risky if you don't have a shield ogryn or a bonk hammer one-shot zealot. With either of those, so long as you plan your engagement of the daemon and it isn't accidentally awoken, they really won't pose a threat

[crisp geyser]

I think it's a bug. I've had a similar issue. Ammo regained from scav stopped counting since the last patch from what I can tell.

[next slate]

don’t see them too often unfortunately

[dusty nacelle]

if ur running krak grenades and a columnus IAG would it be fine to run a powersword? I wanted to get a good mk4 devil's claw but brunt's doesn't sell them so

[umbral scaffold]

Or he’ll even a unique demon host skin

[slow spade]

Live footage of one of your games UwU

[dim ermine]

That sucks tbh. I'm enjoying this comander build and would like to earn the On Target 2 hat. Bummer....

[untold mulch]

bruh

[slow spade]

Its your "fuck ragers" stick

[umbral scaffold]

Me when I devil claw the Ragers “there’s 12 of them “

[kind scarab]

Very much this

[dusty nacelle]

Do u recommend MK3 or 6?

[kind scarab]

Even with my team killing me

[dusty nacelle]

Ty ty

[kind scarab]

@hollow turtle You thought those weapons would hurt me

But the only thing that hurt me was my own team

[slow spade]

MK3 and MK6 are very different

MK3 is offensive hordeclear ( charing does NOT slow you but you cannot block)

MK6 is defensive and better for singletarget (charging slows you but you can charge while blocking) also blocking 25% cheaper

[scenic bronze]

30 seconds into mission someone triggers daemonhost
1 by 1 people start dying and leaving
all alone

😦

[slow spade]

Anyone that says MK3 and MK6 are similar clearly haven't used them both

[kind scarab]

You can also animation cancel the MK3 with it's charge at the right time

And 3Hit a crusher with a specialised melee build

[dusty nacelle]

Wut would the dump stats for a power sword be?

[slow spade]

Mobility generally

You can get away with slightly lower cleave targets on Mk6

[trim steppe]

Mobility. Your mobility is already ass with the PS so you just live in molasses

[slow spade]

Mine has 53% on cleave targets

[dim ermine]

Also real quick: Can I still farm the "Redacted" achievments or are they.... well, redacted?

[dusty nacelle]

literally every power sword I bought has mobility as its highest stat :/

[kind scarab]

You can do them

[slow spade]

But that's because MK6's cleave is still hilarious

[kind scarab]

As someone with Tiny cleave energy on their MK3

I can vouch it don't need it to be able to empty out a mixed horde

Esp if you have BM

100%

[arctic nova]

Do any of yall still use executioner's stance, it feels awful since it doesnt highlight ogryns anymore

[kind scarab]

That's non-negotiable on a PS

[trim steppe]

It never did?

[umbral scaffold]

It helps with breakpoints

[arctic nova]

It did before the class revamp

[umbral scaffold]

If you forgo highlighting gun ambient scabs

[dusty nacelle]

So cleave targets will be fine as a dump stat?

[trim steppe]

It never highlighted ogryns. Maybe in the beta, I never played that far back

[umbral scaffold]

Good guns go crazy on executioner

Headshot breakpoints go crazy

[mint dock]

i really need power cycler+2

[kind scarab]

So long as you're exclusively charging and have BM for free cleave

[trim steppe]

I like executioners on really aggressive braced autogun builds and on snipey headhunter gun builds

[umbral scaffold]

30% (left node passive) and 25% (execution stance) weakspot to one tap headshot elite ranged body shot ambient scabs

If you’re using vraks headhunter 7 or plasma gun

[trim steppe]

My problem with executioners after the overhaul is that it doesn't give you 75% DR anymore, and I tend to get tunnel vision sniping the highlights and get caught up in horde trash lol

[slow spade]

Yes because helbore takes like 50 years to pull out

Executioner lets you instantly pull out the rifle

[umbral scaffold]

Can’t sacrifice toughness reduction on the nodes, 1 point into the 33% toughness from coherency and 30% from stacked headshots help

But cover helps

Oneshotting all the shooters before they’re annoying helps too

Suppression immunity goes crazy also

[trim steppe]

Yeah I run that + iron will usually and it helps, but its still not as tanky as before the overhaul. I just gotta get used to playing my vet like the rest of the classes instead of the terminator

[umbral scaffold]

I find the 50% reduction above 75% doesn’t help if your not running shot

[still flare]

I can see high draw times being useful, but ye my main issue with it is being a relatively squishy class and not having an ability that helps with that.

Not to mention post patch there are plenty of options that demolish breakpoints without stance, so 🤷

[umbral scaffold]

Vet got the short end of the stick but it’s now high skill fps fun now

Prayers

Hoping the talent point tax is reduced for fun talents

[trim steppe]

I've been mostly running with plasma gun and the shouty shouts for +100 team toughness and boy is it fun. If 10 ragers run up on me I just fus ro dah them to the ground and melt them point blank

[umbral scaffold]

And more impactful keystones

[still flare]

Putting survivalist in the middle would help a lot lol

[umbral scaffold]

Shout is amazing, but I like ranged combat and invis flanks

[umbral scaffold]

Or make the auras before grenades

Ehh

Doesn’t change much

[drowsy leaf]

biggest thing i see new vets do wrong when running xstance is not pulling out their melee to fight off junk that gets in close to them, they just take the hits and die alot

[trim steppe]

what weapons do you like running with invis? I haven't played around with it much yet, too caught up in other builds so far

[still flare]

Yeah, moving laterally actually would only help with stealth builds

[ruby fulcrum]

Honestly just replace the keystones to make them worth going for, and cut out 2 or 3 points of travel from each end tree. Done.

And maybe make stealth not require 3 additional points to still be an inferior option...

[umbral scaffold]

Raking fire on shredder auto pistol or columnus IAG goes off

Gotta take the 90% less threat to utilize it fully

[ruby fulcrum]

3-4 additional points*

[umbral scaffold]

The 30% close range dmg keystone also goes crazy on leaving infiltrate

[still flare]

Stealth is good for obj, and normally impossible revives, but beyond that VoC is just better. I still run stealth in solo sometimes

[umbral scaffold]

Even smoke grenade would make it awesome if it worked this way

[ruby fulcrum]

That would be nice. Smoke grenades sort of do that? Sorta? Sometimes?

[umbral scaffold]

It’s mid

[still flare]

Yeee smokes have such an opportunity to be cool

[umbral scaffold]

Needs to work as you stand on smoke

[still flare]

but aren't 😦

[umbral scaffold]

I saw someone suggest entering the smoke makes you invis for like a second on reentry

[candid bridge]

Standing in the smoke should just make you invisible

[still flare]

--^ that was my suggestion

or at least the same -90% threat

[ruby fulcrum]

Gimme a node off of smoke grenades that make them do a damage over time and highlight enemies within.

And also block line of sight/make enemies shoot at nothing

[arctic nova]

they need to make snipers be unable to shoot through smoke

[still flare]

to range damage

[umbral scaffold]

Would save talent tax

Needs to work off line of sight

Not if they’re standing in it

They just move out of it towards you shoot you

Good to bring ‘em closer

But that’s situational

[slow spade]

Also the issue that smokes do basically nothing against melee

[umbral scaffold]

They also need invis talents that give you more crit or ranged dmg

Similar to boons on chaos wastes in vermintide

[hollow turtle]

Lol you say they were killing you, but damn, they killed everything that you couldn't. GJ on the boss damage though.
AND WHAT IS THAT 15 AMMO PICK UP?

[candid bridge]

Increased melee attack speed and makes you invisible when standing in the smoke, then maybe some sort of buff when leaving the smoke

[slow spade]

I was thinking smokes buff teammates for a duration so that way it helps vs ranged and melee

[still flare]

The conventional time to burn a finite resource is when the situation is getting crazy, ie swarmed...so not doing anything about that seems very weird

[umbral scaffold]

Definitely

[slow spade]

Combat stims kind of like how XCOM did it

[kind scarab]

BECAUSE THOSE BASTARDS KEPT KILLING ME, SO I TOOK ALL THE AMMO OUT OF SPITE

[umbral scaffold]

Giving a rng dodge on melee attacks or slowing melee attacks

[hollow turtle]

You mean to feed your starving Recon Mk II

[umbral scaffold]

Would look clunky but would be big for blocks and dodging

[candid bridge]

Smoke causing enemies to stagger or be blinded would also be nice

[umbral scaffold]

1 dodge per smoke

[kind scarab]

I was never really running out of ammo (when I took the ammo)

[still flare]

I would love to see internal statistics on how few people are running smoke. FS just watching that number and being like "....."

[kind scarab]

The only time I was low on ammo, was when they killed me

[slow spade]

15 ammo pick ups, gets the "make every shot count" penance UwU

[umbral scaffold]

Disorienting them would be crazy

Lighter effect of flashbang

[kind scarab]

On another note!

Someone told me to make a shotgun build and chainsaw

So I've made one of each, to take into the next mission

[umbral scaffold]

What shotgun?

[kind scarab]

We got this

[umbral scaffold]

The three do things very differently

[still flare]

I'd take a bootleg stun grenade. A quick stagger, then a duration of -90% threat to range damage

[kind scarab]

And this

[umbral scaffold]

Yes

[kind scarab]

Now, the plan with this shotgun is simple

I have built it purely for CC

In that

It'll make you burn and bleed

[umbral scaffold]

Both amazing to throw into groups standing on you or at a range

[kind scarab]

And guaranteed crits (I believe)

[umbral scaffold]

It is solid

Deadshot makes this build run

[candid bridge]

And great for hordes or to revive a teammate if they’re surrounded

[umbral scaffold]

This too

[kind scarab]

Dunno if this will work with the special rounds tho

[umbral scaffold]

It does

Counts as first round loaded

[kind scarab]

But yeah, I grabbed that and deadshot + Crit on the tree

[umbral scaffold]

It is amazing

[ruby fulcrum]

Yeah it works great. I run a similar setup on lawbringer, it's quite fun

[still flare]

Have any footage? This looks juicy

[umbral scaffold]

90-100% crit on 5 stacked shattershot

[kind scarab]

I'll see if I can grab some in the next mission

[umbral scaffold]

It clears meaty elites due to the cleave

[hollow turtle]

I've seen a few. Hit or Miss really. More often than not, they were not using medium-long range weaponry (Lasgun, Helbore, Plasma, etc.)

[umbral scaffold]

The lawbringer special stacks bleed crits and scattershots on hordes

Has added benefit to doing chaff dmg

[hollow turtle]

Mostly IAGs and BAGs

[kind scarab]

I went with this one, cause the special does fire

and IIRC it infinitely cleaves

[umbral scaffold]

Both do great

That’s the highlight also

[viscid marlin]

I'm not sure i can give up my AGI for a shotgun

but it does look good

[umbral scaffold]

The wide cleave is outperformed by the hallway cleave

It’s fun to experiment with builds

I alternate between the kantreal shotgun cleave build, headhunter MK 7 surgical, and invis columnus/shredder

Those three are very different play styles on vet and go crazy

The revolver is fun, but once I got comfortable in damnation I wanted to branch from it

[viscid marlin]

i wish the mk7 had just a bit more ammo

[umbral scaffold]

It’s super ammo efficient with survivalist and one shot headshots with surgical, deadly accurate and deadshot

[viscid marlin]

only if it procs the crit though yeah?

i usually dont wait too long between shots is the problem

[umbral scaffold]

Surgical and deadshot remove that issue

[viscid marlin]

so i only get about 60% crits and dont wait for surgical to stack

[umbral scaffold]

25% crit (deadshot) and 4 procs surgical and 5 crit vet innate makes it ready to crit most times out of most

[viscid marlin]

I'm not saying it's bad, i like it, it just doesnt seem to be consistent enough for me to use it a lot

at least next to my other options

[umbral scaffold]

The stamina drain is circumvented if you have 36% stamina regen on curios and the two 0.25 stamina delay nodes makes your stamina immediately regen

Vet this way has 0.50 stamina regen, so aiming out or dodging causes your stamina to always be up for deadshot

[viscid marlin]

it could just be how aggressive i play but i can put down a lot more targets with my other setups then i end up with on my vraks 7

[umbral scaffold]

Buffed from 1.25 to 1.00

[viscid marlin]

i know

i use that same setup but on my AGI MKI

i just prefer that over the vraks 7

[umbral scaffold]

I still take out targets without lining for crit, it’s just fun

AGI is?

[viscid marlin]

agripina

its like the standard auto rifle

[umbral scaffold]

iAG?

[viscid marlin]

but i use the low fire rate

[hollow turtle]

Best IAG imo.

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah, I just love the ammo efficiency for the headhunter

[viscid marlin]

everyone keeps going on about the collumnus V but i really prefer the MK1

[umbral scaffold]

1 shot restores 2 shots

Reminds me of huntsmen Kruber on vt2

Good times

[viscid marlin]

it just really puts out the hurt for me

[umbral scaffold]

Definitely good

[viscid marlin]

and the low fire rate high damage version makes it easy to keep stamina for deadshot

[hollow turtle]

I'm trying to get my hands on a good singleshot headhunter (just so I can use it with full auto mod and design it to look like an M14

[viscid marlin]

i was going through too much stam with the mkv

[slow spade]

M14 is a good girl

[kind scarab]

M14 is a bad boy

[umbral scaffold]

Full auto benefits from head hunter and the stagger dmg (if it has it) blessing

[viscid marlin]

mixed messages

😂

but yeah

you using the ammo max node?

my vraks 7 only restores 1

on kill

[umbral scaffold]

I don’t think I am

[viscid marlin]

hmm

odd

maybe i missed something

[umbral scaffold]

I am probably missing something

[viscid marlin]

oh i see, it rounds

so sometimes it will do 1 sometimes 2

[umbral scaffold]

I have 56% on ammo and am below the 200 ammo count threshold

No I think you’re right

[viscid marlin]

i think i have about 180 max, so maybe its just alternating based on when it rounds up

[umbral scaffold]

I am definitely using ammo, but it lasts me a while before I need to restock

[viscid marlin]

thats fair

its definitely effecient

ive been liking the mk1 for a few other reasons though

[umbral scaffold]

I just like headshotting

[viscid marlin]

since they changed onslaught to brittleness which effects the whole team, its been helping my groups really melt bosses and things

[umbral scaffold]

Wish darktide fps skills translated to other games

I suck on hunt showdown

[slow spade]

Simply don't miss

[viscid marlin]

to be fair hunt showdown is on the crytek engine and it's.. a different beast

[slow spade]

Literally the only way to die

[umbral scaffold]

Idk

[viscid marlin]

my days in arma 2 and 3 are what prepared me for hunt

[umbral scaffold]

Found this past week having a lot of phantom hits

On darktide

[viscid marlin]

its the servers

[slow spade]

That's a miss, should have had better servers 💅💅💅

[viscid marlin]

ive been having disconnects, running in place, scoot backs, roll backs, loadouts not saving, rewards not getting filtered in, weeklies not counting

definitely the servers

[umbral scaffold]

I remember shooting the unarmored berserkers 3 times in the head before I saw hit markers

[viscid marlin]

or rather, the server hampsters running the servers

[umbral scaffold]

And most of the time the headshot is a body shot

[viscid marlin]

yeah its probably just the game

[umbral scaffold]

Only mob I have issues on

Because they scramble so much

Stationary enemies never have this issue

[viscid marlin]

i have problems shooting the chaos spawn in the head.. how they ever expected anyone to hit that is beyond me

[umbral scaffold]

Lmao I just accept that as fact

[slow spade]

Nurgle is PERSONALLY intercepting the individual packets of light of your shots

[viscid marlin]

ive just been parrying the bosses now

[umbral scaffold]

Even vt2 that was the most annoying enemy to headshot tied with minotaur

[viscid marlin]

yeah

[slow spade]

Should have prayed harder to the Emperor

[tawny pawn]

shotguns, can we talk about shotguns?

[viscid marlin]

but then i was also a filthy grail knight player so

[umbral scaffold]

Which one

[tawny pawn]

do any of the three outshine the others?

[viscid marlin]

uhh

well

[slow spade]

Kantreal has the funny fire

[umbral scaffold]

They each fuck in their own right

[ruby fulcrum]

All have their uses. I like all three of em for different builss

[tawny pawn]

im thinking maybe a shotgun would pair with my always in melee playstyle

[viscid marlin]

they all have uses and downsides

[umbral scaffold]

Agripnaa is a good one shot room clearer

[slow spade]

Agri is probably the most useful right out the box

[umbral scaffold]

Ranged monster

[viscid marlin]

^

[slow spade]

Lawbringer is eh idk

[edgy jungle]

Best configuration for antax mk v?