veteran-class

[tawdry hull]

qwq

[placid portal]

Big oof

[tawdry hull]

skill issue

[autumn perch]

What gun?

[placid portal]

Which is why I use it to snipe a special I want dead then go back to shoveling some heretic graves

Lucius Pattern

[south garnet]

If you take the node that gives 50% toughness damage reduction above 75% toughness it really helps to not feel like wet tissue paper

[placid portal]

For the 1st hit

[tawdry hull]

yep im trying to make lucius build

[placid portal]

Which is more than enough

imo

[tawdry hull]

but kinda hard

[placid portal]

How so?

[autumn perch]

What gun!

[dense light]

So besides obviously lacking Lacerate 4, what should I swap out?

[placid portal]

HEllbore

[autumn perch]

Ok 👍

[dense light]

MK3 Helbore holy moly

[placid portal]

[placid portal]

Hellbore obj is find/kill special/elites then pick off shooters

Also counter sniper

usually not a smart Idea to Shoot muties bc they have 3k HP and that means you gotta hit headshot crit 1 time + another crit or headshot

[fast heart]

Weakspot for flak

[south garnet]

They need to bring back shot canceling for helbore by aiming down the sights then unaiming again

[placid portal]

Did they remove that?

[fast heart]

just swap weapon

[placid portal]

Zamn

[autumn perch]

[placid portal]

Better to melee bayonet

[south garnet]

Yea, incredibly annoying

[placid portal]

Ye the input is a tad annoying for melee cancel

[south garnet]

Until they do, which they won't, revolver life

[autumn perch]

Revolver?

[placid portal]

I think they didn't intend to cancel charge for ads

[placid portal]

Super strong

[autumn perch]

What

[placid portal]

One of the few weapons that 2 shot Crusher

[south garnet]

Probably

[placid portal]

Likely

I like precharging then ads

[placid portal]

If you have Handcannon blessing you can effectively delete majority of enemies at most 2 shots

[autumn perch]

Ok 👍

[placid portal]

that is Crusher and Maulers

It's insane

And for maulers you can two tap headshot them and kill

[autumn perch]

[placid portal]

Body shots wont kill for maulers in 2 shots

[tawdry hull]

i wonder that anyone did build what does not have keystone

[placid portal]

[autumn perch]

What

[placid portal]

Tbh reaching end of the tree aint so good

Except cqc orders

[south garnet]

The ones at the very end? None of my builds use those

[tawdry hull]

hmmmmmm

[placid portal]

but that's raking fire niche

[south garnet]

Trash nodes that pigeonhole your build

[tawdry hull]

xd

[placid portal]

It's also super heavy investment

[tawdry hull]

i seeee

[placid portal]

when all the other passives are so good

specifically the middle tree

[tawdry hull]

I might know where did i fuck up lul

[placid portal]

all in the testing and learning

[tawdry hull]

some guns really need a lot of nodes

[south garnet]

Yep

Vet tax

[tawdry hull]

to be viable

[placid portal]

really dependant on focus of active& Grenades

also maybe the coherency buff

[tawdry hull]

i mean bolter and revolver still very good, but I feel lack dmg with laser weapons

[placid portal]

? Lasguns are super good

[tawdry hull]

mostly lasguns

[placid portal]

which one? the carbines?

[south garnet]

Just wait until you want to be great with a specific ranged wep and melee too, your tree will become a pretzel

[tawdry hull]

lasgun

[placid portal]

there's like... 3 branches of lasguns and 3 subarchetypes

and laspistol

[tawdry hull]

the traditional

[placid portal]

Kantrael?

[tawdry hull]

yes

semi auto

[placid portal]

I dunno m1a is super reliable

[tawdry hull]

mhmm

[placid portal]

m12 is sorta lacking in the firerate department

You can magdump without care and clean the room with m1a kantrael dou

and spend no ammo

[brisk sapphire]

MG12 was like one of 3 weapons vets used for the longest time since it was just so efficient and good at killing

[placid portal]

I think M12 Kantrael does need improvement

M1A and M4 really out did it imo

[brisk sapphire]

Now it's... fine

[south garnet]

A cup holder

[placid portal]

mmm

That would be nice

I need a good sip while purgin heretics

[brisk sapphire]

Only las gun I actually like is the pistol. Recon las was neat before the nerf

[placid portal]

fine by me

[shell ginkgo]

We in the age of pistols.

[tawdry hull]

once Im home

Ill do shit

[shell ginkgo]

Revolver + laspistol feel so great to use.

[brisk sapphire]

Mostly use autoguns and plasma on vet

[south garnet]

I use the laspistol on my scrier/dueling sword space zorro psyker, it rocks

[brisk sapphire]

I like revolver on zealot

[tawny pawn]

infiltrator vets! what kind of melee you weilding?

[tawdry hull]

revolver is good on every class

[placid portal]

Revolver got that super buff

[tawdry hull]

I use it on psyker

[brisk sapphire]

True. Too good on psyker rn

[tawdry hull]

too

[shell ginkgo]

Revolver got stealth buffed into bolt pistol.

[tawdry hull]

indeed

[south garnet]

Was doing shovel to great effect but now I'm over in PS land which I never thought I'd be

[placid portal]

it's actually insane now

[tawdry hull]

knife and small axe

[south garnet]

But the moveset on the mk 6 is cool

[shell ginkgo]

I use mine like a flintlock pistol. Fire five shots into the biggest threat then toss it down to melee

[brisk sapphire]

Claw 4 is my most used vet melee as of late

[tawdry hull]

I built my revolver around ammo

so I can shoot constantly

ofc not shooting trash, only elites

[shell ginkgo]

Since I use my infrequently, I sometimes go for the treat of shooting trash

Very fun

🤠

[brisk sapphire]

How do you constantly shoot with such a long reload

[tawdry hull]

built on reload speed too

[brisk sapphire]

I like it on zealot with throwing knifes in case I need more ranged dmg than 5 rounds for a situation

[tawny pawn]

i was having fun doing battle bard vet... until I started seeing every vet doing the same

[brisk sapphire]

Then reload when I have time

[tawny pawn]

I must be a unique snowflake

[mellow bridge]

Has anyone been using the Vraks VII? I really like it. Even though the maniac and unyielding damage is poo poo

Takes care of a room of shooters no problem

[forest maple]

My favorite headhunter

accurate, super powerful and reliable

[mellow bridge]

Also. Is the double shot variant worth using at all? I remember it being hot garbo

[forest maple]

unyielding damage isnt something you care about because with the right build your weakspot crits do insane damage

i can kill a reaper with 3 bullets to the head

maybe 2

All of them are worth it but for me, the VII is simply the best

go for 25% flak/maniac and headhunter/deadly accurate. Get 30% weakspot damage + 5% crit + deadshot and just pop them heads straight open

[brisk sapphire]

3 regenerating kraks covers unyielding decently well

[forest maple]

unyielding is reaper/bulwark and bosses right?

both reaper and bulwark are so easy to kill

no problem

bosses is another thing but you dont need unyielding on perks. You have 25% unyielding talent

[brisk sapphire]

Think mutie heads are unyielding but the rest is maniac?... could be wrong

[forest maple]

really?i thought muties were full maniac

[brisk sapphire]

Maybe I'm stoned and misremembering

[forest maple]

muties ragers and flamers are fully maniac i think

[brisk sapphire]

I mean Im definitely stoned

Krak also doesn't home to muties so yea you right

[forest maple]

trapper,mutie,flamer and rager are 100% maniac

so your only problem with vraks VII realistically, are crushers but even then you do insane damage if you focus their heads

and all this tested from me using a sub-par vraks VII

[brisk sapphire]

with onslaught even an autogun can one mag a crusher

[trim hemlock]

Correct, Dreg Ragers at least - Scab are Flak

[forest maple]

i thought there was only 1 rager mob

but yeah there are those armored shitfaces

that make no sounds

[placid portal]

It's kinda difficult to make big sounds with a metal face

[forest maple]

Thats why flak+maniac is the best perk combo in most situations

[brisk sapphire]

Yeee

+Unarmored good to have too

[forest maple]

Some other perks need buffing imo

[trim hemlock]

The Athaneum makes an argument for Unyielding on Deimos specifically

[forest maple]

The what now?

[brisk sapphire]

Hard to compete with +25% dmg

Wish reload perk was +20%

I'd prolly run it on kickback

[forest maple]

agreed

[trim hemlock]

Psyker guide by Pygex, it’s referenced in the pinned messages

[forest maple]

all the perks other than the 25% variants need buffing

crit to 10%, weakspot damage to 15 or 20

reload to 20

or 25

[forest maple]

Ah the deimos sword

same with plasma gun

you take carapace + maniac or flak i think

[trim hemlock]

I feel like I’m sleepwalking and replied to a different conversation than I should have lol

[forest maple]

or carapace + unyielding? not sure

Nah, you cited a situation where perks other than maniac/flak can be used

in response to what i said

[placid portal]

Unyielding for funny boss killing & Reaper/Bulwark

[trim hemlock]

IIRC the recommendation for Unyielding on Deimos is that Psyker typically lacks boss damage

[placid portal]

Carapace is only useful if it makes breakpoint for Crusher

But imo not often

[trim hemlock]

But Deimos’ L1H2 combo does solid damage to bosses’ faces

[placid portal]

Deimos is the funny tac axe?

[trim hemlock]

Or, Bulwarks I suppose. I don’t think you will often have the opportunity to melee a Reaper

[forest maple]

the force sword

[placid portal]

Ah

[trim hemlock]

It’s the funny stab force sword on Psyker

[placid portal]

Ye sorry don't know much about psyker weapons

Get the force block and use triple block efficiency curio + Perk

[forest maple]

Anyone knows if the combat ability regen stat on curios affects the talent that reduces your ability cooldown by killing elites/specials?

[brisk sapphire]

huh, and here i thought duelling sword 4 made deimos obsolete

[trim hemlock]

That sounds like a lot of wasted opportunities

[placid portal]

nah the on kill cd reduction is a fixed 6 seconds

[forest maple]

meh

im still gonna use triple 4% ability regen

[placid portal]

you go

[forest maple]

shout too good

[trim hemlock]

I mean, Deimos still has that stab combo for it. It’s flexible and safe, while the sword itself retains an OK swarm clearing potential (which is close to non-existent on DSwords)

[placid portal]

88% ability CD from shout is 26.8s

so you shave of 3.2 secs

or was it 3.6

[brisk sapphire]

true but i only use dswords with horde clear staffs

[placid portal]

2.64

ah

this is the number that you shae off

[brisk sapphire]

literally only use heavy with dsword

lights are shet for horde clear

[forest maple]

yeah, its not that much but its still enough

[placid portal]

3s is a make or break for alot of blessings

[forest maple]

i mean, i use tough/hp/ability regen on all my curios atm cause nothing else is useful for me

[placid portal]

so you have to kill 4 and wait 2 secs vs kill 4 and wait 6 secs

[forest maple]

with the shout build

[placid portal]

not bad

ah but -20% dmg reduction vs Gunners is useful

[forest maple]

never die to gunners

or shooters

[placid portal]

Really is a big difference of toughness loss

[forest maple]

happened like once last week but it was my fault entirely

From my personal experience by playing strictly auric t5, i've never felt the need for gunner resistance

with the voice of command build. Not playing anything else

[brisk sapphire]

+60% sniper resist is huge for dmg avoidance
sometimes you get shot in the back, or without warning/laser, it happens

[forest maple]

Im running both 33% resistance from toughness damage + 50% while at 75%+ and one node of 10% tough res

so snipers never kill me and i can tank 2 shots with shout

[placid portal]

Shout do be Strong AF

[forest maple]

yeah since the shout toughness counts as having more than 75%

[brisk sapphire]

shout cooldown is prolly too short but i aint complaining

[forest maple]

so all damage i take while shout is up, i reduced by 50%, plus the 33% plus the 10%. Dunno how much it truly is

[brisk sapphire]

krubers was a minute 30 and vt2 levels are significantly shorter

[forest maple]

must be 70% or close to

[umbral scaffold]

12% cd goes off on infiltrate, that’s 5ish seconds off of CD

[placid portal]

4.8

so 5 is close enough

40sec cooldown per stack

[forest maple]

rounded up

[placid portal]

Do they round up in Ability cooldown???

[umbral scaffold]

Be neat if it did

Assuming it doesn’t do that already

Idk tho

I use the whole 8 seconds just so I can reposition somewhere so I can get a flank to utilize raking fire

Wish I had a brain to min max that gameplay

Most times out of most I just get 180’d by chaff

90% less threat makes them 10% haters show up and be ops

Those are the ones you beat to death with melee

[haughty marlin]

FINALLY Hadron doing me a solid

First power cycler 4 I've rolled, what perks should I stick on this thing?

[umbral scaffold]

I’ve seent people say savage sweep or rampage

[odd sparrow]

idk i still find slaughter to be really good

[umbral scaffold]

Some said rampage is bugged and increases power and damage at the same time

[umbral scaffold]

I’ve also heard people say use what you wanna use for melee

[shell ginkgo]

Brutal momentum, slaughterer, rampage are the ones I see most.

[umbral scaffold]

It’s based off what you can work with best

[haughty marlin]

I usually run plasma

so I need more rager/mutie control and hordes I think

[odd sparrow]

but i would definitely swap specialist for flak, because im pretty sure thatll hit the 1 hit breakpoint for heavy attacks against gunners

[umbral scaffold]

Stick a 25% dmg vs type to replace specialist

[brisk sapphire]

increasing power increases dmg (among other things), believe rampage increases power instead of dmg, and does so by a percentage greater than it says

[odd sparrow]

rampage reads to increase dmg

but whether thats true or not requires testing

[umbral scaffold]

Quoting someone else, but it also increases power and dmg

Idk, can’t confirm

Maybe someone else’s ass pull info

[brisk sapphire]

increasing power always increases dmg, so perhaps they meant that

but who knows, maybe it buffs both independently

[umbral scaffold]

I think they meant it as, they multiplies each other as separate things

Idk

I could be wrong

I am just going off memory on what someone said the other day

It’s bugged apparently

[shell ginkgo]

Rampage currently gives a bugged 50% melee damage + whatever boost it says it gives

[umbral scaffold]

Wild

[brisk sapphire]

it feels very strong on heavy sword rn

might be the best melee weapon in the game

[umbral scaffold]

I do need rampage on the catachan sword

[brisk sapphire]

can one shot muties and it erases hordes

[scenic bronze]

Praise the Omnissiah

[shell ginkgo]

It's unconditional 50%, too.

[umbral scaffold]

How does shattering impact work?

Is it 1 by 1 stack per hit, or just fat 4 stack on hit

[scenic bronze]

All I know is it shoots :I

[umbral scaffold]

I agree

Looks solid

[brisk sapphire]

brittleness great since it nerfs the enemy and the whole team benefits from it

[shell ginkgo]

4 stacks a hit.

[umbral scaffold]

So 20%, that just keeps stacking per hit?

So if you rapid fire a boss, you can soften it for the team?

[shell ginkgo]

Don't think it stacks

[tawny pawn]

what perks should i swap in shovel brothers

[shell ginkgo]

[umbral scaffold]

Fuck this gay earth

[shell ginkgo]

None

Those look great as is.

[tawny pawn]

hrm, so just buff those perks up to lvl4?

[shell ginkgo]

Swap the perks imo

Go for those 25% damage types

[tawny pawn]

hrm, any rec? flak i assume for one

[shell ginkgo]

Flak and probably maniac

[mellow bridge]

I still can't get my head around the shovel

[sharp ember]

It's up to 40%, similar to onslaught talent

[civic knot]

Do smoke nades protect you from being spotted by bursters and other rusher enemies?

[tawny pawn]

seems like you spam heavies and keep crowds staggered and dead

and makes bonking noises

[shell ginkgo]

Does it? Normally things explicitly say if they stack

[candid bridge]

Is thermal resist the dump stat for plasmas?

[gaunt hinge]

they might, ive had dogs just sit there outside my boof cloud once

[sharp ember]

I run a debuff indicator, and that's what it indicated pre-patch

[shell ginkgo]

Good ol FS being FS.

[tawdry hull]

oh yes

[sharp ember]

HOWEVER, I heard the rending rework might have accidentally nerfed Shattering Impact

[shell ginkgo]

Lmao

[placid portal]

how so?

[sharp ember]

By giving it the same stacks as Onslaught talent

[tawdry hull]

I have one smoke grenade build

[shell ginkgo]

FS quality right there.

[sharp ember]

so you have to inflict 16 stacks to get to 40%

[placid portal]

Oh that's some serious Spaghetti code

[trim hemlock]

Brittleness always stacked to 16 IIRC

So it basically changes nothing

Vet just has a feat that applies brittleness, if they choose so

[sharp ember]

it was definitely 8 pre-rending rework, 5% per stack

[shell ginkgo]

Does that mean each shattering stack isn't actually 5%

[trim hemlock]

It’s probably 2.5%, but 1-4 stacks is 2-8 stacks in reality

[sharp ember]

likely, because when you run both Onslaught and Shatting Impact, they contribute towards the same debuff indicator from the mod

[shell ginkgo]

Maybe the mod is wrong

[sharp ember]

I can retest in a bit

[shell ginkgo]

[brisk sapphire]

either that or charge rate since charge shot isnt that useful. remember there being a bug with charge rate stat tho

like if it was too high it dealt less dmg or something

another instance of spaghetti code

[candid bridge]

Well I know that’s the case with volatile

But still trying to get a better plasma 🤞

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1169113624560816158/image.png

Current best one so far for me

[brisk sapphire]

dmg dump feelsbadman

[candid bridge]

Yeahhhh

[shell ginkgo]

Ya, apparently something about charge rate being higher than 73 means your shots do less damage

[candid bridge]

Gotcha, I’ll keep that in mind 🫡

[shell ginkgo]

Machine spirits or some shit

[mellow bridge]

Modder

[slow spade]

I find spamming uncharged shots to be a better use of ammo anyways

[candid bridge]

[slow spade]

3 shots = 1 charged shot

[zinc nest]

that's the thing, the bug affects uncharged shots

[slow spade]

Thank you Fatshark

[tardy vine]

worth gatting to steal scattershot from it?

is it good?

[brisk sapphire]

charge shot should do increased unyielding or something

[slow spade]

Thank god my Plasma is 69 on charge rate I guess

[tardy vine]

nice

[candid bridge]

Nice

[slow spade]

It increases cleave

[shell ginkgo]

Nice.

[slow spade]

UwU

Uncharged shot has like 20 cleave?

[dusty ferry]

[brisk sapphire]

think it lets you shoot thru thicker walls too... or maybe its placebo

[slow spade]

So charged shots are great vs ogryn patrols

[candid bridge]

I used charged shot for ragers and mutants

[sharp ember]

uncharged has
100

[slow spade]

Really?

[candid bridge]

And ogryns

I spam it on everything else

[slow spade]

I guess I need to line my shots better

[sharp ember]

with the latest plasma buff it does now

[willow badger]

sup guys. any tips for making the jump from malice to heresy?

[shell ginkgo]

I thought that was just charged

[slow spade]

Got it, I suck with aiming plasma UwU

[sharp ember]

alright hoping into the psykhanium in a sec

[slow spade]

Learn to fucking make space when meleeing

[willow badger]

am kinda only surviving abotu 30% of the heresy lobbies i quickjoin

[shell ginkgo]

Don't die. Kill the heretics.

[willow badger]

and getting carried by my team

[brisk sapphire]

dodge more, learn the sound of specials, and pay attention to your toughness

[willow badger]

have only started being better about dodging

[slow spade]

Literally the difference between a shit teammate and one being useful is ability to kill poxwalkers

[brisk sapphire]

oops meant to reply to guy asking for heresy advice

[shell ginkgo]

Can you avoid the monke urge to shoot into a crowd

[willow badger]

only sometimes

[shell ginkgo]

And pull out your melee

[willow badger]

its so fun

[shell ginkgo]

This is heresy. You must contain the monke brain and grab the beat stick.

[willow badger]

is it still acceptable to thin the herd if the horde is far away

[shell ginkgo]

Because your allies sure won't

[slow spade]

Melee skills are required in heresy

[shell ginkgo]

Probably, depends on your gun and ammo.

[willow badger]

i've been getting better about not just running face first in a wall of specialists

[slow spade]

Objectively, its never a good idea to do that. But some guns can get away with it like Helbores

[shell ginkgo]

But don't be shooting point blank when glorious melee exists

[willow badger]

yea ive been getting better bout that

[gaunt hinge]

ok ive got more info, it will force flamers and netters to walk into the cloud if youre inside before they can target you and dogs will never enter the cloud so theyll never pounce

[sharp ember]

agri brauto mows down a horde because it has +1 cleave mass, fun if ammo isn't a concern

[gaunt hinge]

against everyone else it does nothing

[willow badger]

still need to really figure out some good combos rather than just spam chaining lights or heavies

[civic knot]

nice

[manic badger]

recommended blessings for combat axes?

[shell ginkgo]

Maybe shoot down the tall grass in the horde. Elites and specialists etc.

[shell ginkgo]

What melee?

[willow badger]

powersword vii

[shell ginkgo]

Charge, light spam to horde clear as needed.

[candid bridge]

^

[willow badger]

what abuot for chonky boys

[sharp ember]

Alright, grabbing a bolter with ShImpact 4 and gonna start shooting a crusher in the toes

[shell ginkgo]

Push stab

Push stab to the head

[brisk sapphire]

DT doesnt have too many combos other than light or heavy spam and alternating light and heavy

[willow badger]

ooh i need to def push stab more then

[chilly cobalt]

I own power sword for home defense

[brisk sapphire]

we dont get cool combos like halberd and BLS had in vt2

[willow badger]

what about combos for chainsword

[shell ginkgo]

Just krak any crushers you see tbh

Let's you Unga bunga with no worry

[ornate remnant]

Are these blessings good or do they need to be switched?

[brisk sapphire]

spam heavy for hordes

[willow badger]

heavy special or heavy

[brisk sapphire]

heavy

special for muties

[willow badger]

o sorry what about for carapace

[shell ginkgo]

Don't heavy rev in a crowd

[brisk sapphire]

chain weapons not too great for carapace

[shell ginkgo]

You'll be eaten due to the animation lock

[shell ginkgo]

If alone, rev and heavy to the head

If not, feed the fat fuck a krak

[candid bridge]

Chainsword rev does pretty good work to carapace in a crunch tho

[willow badger]

aight time to swap out my frags

[manic badger]

Would decapitator be better on this than shred?

[willow badger]

also i heard recon lasgun isnt as good as it used to be but i still find it so fun

[shell ginkgo]

If you wanna keep frags, just deploy the pocket ogryn to kill the crusher

[shell ginkgo]

It's not great anymore but still usable. It's biggest loss was infinite ammo

It's now finite again.

[candid bridge]

Yep, but Recon does fine but you have to build into it. It’s ammo economy is what makes it tough to use now

[brisk sapphire]

generally want headtaker or decimator on axe

[shell ginkgo]

Just don't use it on crushers etc

[brisk sapphire]

old meta was brutal momentum with that

[shell ginkgo]

And you'll be fine

[brisk sapphire]

not sure these days

[shell ginkgo]

You can even shoot into the horde a little as a treat.

[manic badger]

ty

[candid bridge]

If build into onslaught with it it does work against crushers

[shell ginkgo]

It takes half a mag or so

So not the best shot call.

[willow badger]

honestly havent had much trouble with ammo with recon

i've got a few talents that give bonus ammo i guess

[shell ginkgo]

Do you run the blue, green or brown one

[brisk sapphire]

was under the impression recon was nerfed into the ground

[slow spade]

Recon will have a lot more ammo issues in heresy

[brisk sapphire]

never see it anymore

[slow spade]

It was

[shell ginkgo]

Nah

[slow spade]

Heresy will see a heavy hp increase

So ammo costs will go up a ton

[brisk sapphire]

literally havent seen a single recon user on auric since the nerf

[shell ginkgo]

People just cried since it got nerfed and overcomplained

[willow badger]

im a hoe for lasguns bc of the aesthetic so are you guys still running like infantry lasgun or something

[brisk sapphire]

laspistol is my fav lasgun

[shell ginkgo]

Laspistol is great.

[slow spade]

Recon lost most of its ammo efficiency, high point tax (needs Onslaught now), and enemies got more hp

[umbral scaffold]

Me when I out damage Bolter players with a tiny laser pistol

[slow spade]

Better to just use autoguns because they're cooler

[willow badger]

but lasgun got the drip tho

[brisk sapphire]

agri brauto my beloved

love hipfiring so it was practically made for me

that and plasma

[shell ginkgo]

Bolter user realizing my revolver does more damage per shot

[willow badger]

my only issue is the infantry lasguns giving me carpal tunnel

[slow spade]

I mean they'll still kill but nowhere near as well as most other guns

[candid bridge]

There’s a full auto mod

[brisk sapphire]

or just use an autoclicker

[shell ginkgo]

The kantrael lasguns still good, too

[brisk sapphire]

autoclickers pretty damn useful for FS games

[shell ginkgo]

The mg1a and mgiv got a big glow up

[tawdry hull]

I rather slack if someone is really tryhard

[slow spade]

Yeah the full auto mod helps with that

[shell ginkgo]

The mgxii is still good

[willow badger]

the mgiv seems p fun

[tawdry hull]

like dude, If you do the job instead of me, I wont waste my rounds

[shell ginkgo]

And the helbores still strong

[slow spade]

The only gun I don't use full-auto on is the Helbore

[shell ginkgo]

If you use it get a full auto mod

[shell ginkgo]

Me with a full auto helbore

[willow badger]

i'll probably try fullauto mod mgiv vs the recon vi

[shell ginkgo]

We clearing the trenches with this boys

[slow spade]

The final weapon of Krieg

Just full auto helbore spam

[tawdry hull]

I just have lmb spam macroed to my mouse

[sharp ember]

Bolter Base Damage: 540
Blessing: Shattering Impact 4
Carapace Listed Damage: 216
Calculated base Armor Damage Modifier (ADM): 40%

1st Shot Damage: 270 (50% ADM) ((+10% up))
2nd Shot Damage: 338 (62.5% ADM) ((+12.5% up))
3rd: 405 (75%) ((+12.5% up))
4th: 473 (87.5%) ((+12.5% up))
5th and onwards: 540 (100%) ((+12.5% up))

CONCLUSION: wait i'm confused why is it gaining +60% ADM to get 100% effective ADM

[brisk sapphire]

as you should

[candid bridge]

Only thing that’s annoying with the MG4 and Ia is their recoil goes everywhere so it can be tough to land shots when full auto spamming

[shell ginkgo]

The mgiv always felt like a really heavy recon lasgun with it

[willow badger]

also how much is dps in the meatgrinder reflective of actual performance

[slow spade]

That works too

[sharp ember]

idk why the images got posted like that

but there's multiple

[shell ginkgo]

And they get the super ammo from crits unlike recon now.

[untold mulch]

Full auto mod makes the MGIV and the Laspistol better than all the recons

[willow badger]

bet

[slow spade]

Most people use it to know how many shots to kill

Not dps

[untold mulch]

I was shooting like double from each mag

is ridiculous

[brisk sapphire]

love laspistol cause of its big mag and quick reload

good sustain

[shell ginkgo]

Not super indicative since enemies will be moving and there's often a horde etc

[tawdry hull]

I use it on psyker

uwu

[snow pendant]

laspistol also has good sprint speed

[shell ginkgo]

But it's a good test if you acknowledge you're on the shooting range and not actual combat

[carmine cradle]

counter point, plasma gun

[shell ginkgo]

Anyway lads, time to get some food.

Is it taco Monday or burger monday

[carmine cradle]

because carapace armor is cringe

[brisk sapphire]

counter point, zealot taking all the ammo

[zealous wyvern]

sometimes you will deal more damage ingame due to group buffs etc

[snow pendant]

meet krak grenade

[carmine cradle]

get better zealots

[shell ginkgo]

Carapace armor?

[zealous wyvern]

cheese burgera

[untold mulch]

or less because the servers fucking suck and your shots go into the void

[shell ginkgo]

Woe, revolver upon ye

[untold mulch]

I am consistently noticing shots just dissapearing

[snow pendant]

revolver is yes

[zealous wyvern]

i never have that

[shell ginkgo]

Burger it is. Goodbye friends

[brisk sapphire]

love when i kill a 2nd special/elite i didnt even see behind the one i was aiming for with revolver

[willow badger]

i guess laspistol is kinda drippy

[slow spade]

Its absurdly painful for Helbore but it does happen :c

[willow badger]

commisar vibes

[slow spade]

A deleted shot is like 4k damage disappearing

[untold mulch]

the warp takes the shot away

[slow spade]

Same, one time I just shot randomly and apparently killed a sniper

[willow badger]

speaking of which you guys use the autofire melee mod?

[eternal sable]

I hit the optimal level in darktide lets go

[neon briar]

nah i just use my own autohotkey

the automelee mod has some weird thing where it doesnt always work, my macro is more reliable

for guns i use the autofire mod though, it works fine

[gaunt hinge]

669

[candid bridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/408120447293456386/1170637971712638986/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2023.11.05_-_02.56.47.88.png?ex=6559c491&is=65474f91&hm=66bb0dc5d590863f96dd49f1df5e0bd0bc473aecd445f7979ed0a12dd8375296&

1567 is the highest I’ve seen so far

[eternal sable]

thats what happens when you have 0 friends or family

and no life or aspirations

[scenic bronze]

Chad running 30% experience curio

[neon briar]

hitting level 669?

[gaunt hinge]

me when i run an ex stance smoke nade build:

[candid bridge]

How many hours is level 1567 lol

[eternal sable]

i have 1200 and im at 669 + 400 other levels on other classes

so a lot

[wanton dawn]

You can applies a 1:1 ratio for a quick equivalent. Truth is a bit higher

[candid bridge]

That person was John Darktide themself

[brisk sapphire]

I've seen a fair amount of 1000+ players

One of them had no pants somehow

I know you can remove them with for the drip, but that shouldn't be visible to other players

[candid bridge]

Coulda been some visual bug

[willow badger]

me not even realizing you could be over 30

[delicate moat]

sold their pants to finance brunt rolls

[candid bridge]

True level mod

[brisk sapphire]

They were also dancing like a chicken by crouching and charging BB over and over so they were definitely memeing

[sharp ember]

TEST 2: Chainaxe with Thunderous 3
Base Heavy Damage: 218
Listed Carapace Damage: 80
Calculated ADM: 36.7%

1st hit: 105 (48.2% ADM, +11.5)
2nd: 126 (57.7% ADM, +9.5)
3rd: 148 (67.8% ADM, +10.1)
4th: 169 (77.5% ADM, +9.7)
5th: 190 (87.2% ADM, +9.7)
6th: 211 (96.8% ADM, +9.7)
7+ (indicator says 16 brittleness stacks): 219 (100.5% ADM +3.7)

CONCLUSION: a few rounding errors, but i have no idea how brittleness blessings are giving +60%~ ADM, they're not behaving in a way I expected

[brisk sapphire]

O is thunderous good now cause of bug

Interesting

[outer mulch]

Ok, gang. I'm really struggling against the new ragers. Their spawn rate, and health upgrade, and their ghost hits are killing my squad all the time

[brisk sapphire]

Shoot em

[sharp ember]

my first test was with Shattering Impact on Bolter, which is the same thing but on a gun, similar result reaching 100% ADM at max debuff stacks

[zealous wyvern]

mow them down

[sharp ember]

I wouldn't say good, because most weapons that have brittleness blessings are good vs armor to begin with, but the blessing is doing more than expected

honestly i have no idea what to make of this data

[sharp epoch]

Loadout?

[wanton dawn]

Against rager group, ps6 with sunder/power cycler is vet best "stand your ground" option. For ranged there are several option available though I guess agri brauto is a notable one

[bold ibex]

this baby can 3 tap crushers. and i almost deleted it before the MKVI buffs. D;

[sharp epoch]

supercharge 🤢

[wanton dawn]

Against dreg rager, rampage might be slighy better than sunder but unless specified rager also means scab and rampage is bad against them

[polar kraken]

Ye ragers are kinda weird hey

[bold ibex]

i'm hoping it gets a buff eventually :<

[polar kraken]

They have much further reach than u’d think

[bold ibex]

but this was amde for canopening 😮

[polar kraken]

It’s really not fun sometimes

[willow badger]

o shit power cycler looks amazing

do i just have to rng it until i get it

[bold ibex]

only thing that makes power swords worth using

[inland orchid]

yea either that or pray to sire pelk for him to have a powersword with one

[wanton dawn]

Rager are kinda annoying but as vet you have some of the best option to handle them

[polar kraken]

Catachan

[wanton dawn]

PS sunder/PC

[polar kraken]

demolish ragers wirh parry

It’s really good at handling multiple of them

[wanton dawn]

I can handle 30 ragers with PS

[bold ibex]

ragers are the maniac ones right?

[cursive goblet]

How do you roll for these good weapons and blessings?

[bold ibex]

spend like 70 hours trying for one weapon and crying a lot

[cursive goblet]

Like is it just emperors gift, buying from shop or what

[tepid pagoda]

Just do it

There's no way

[bold ibex]

more realistically, upgrade a bunch of green weapons when searchign for blessings

[tepid pagoda]

You just get lucky

[cursive goblet]

Im on my first playthrough, just trying to understand how game works

[tepid pagoda]

[bold ibex]

don't upgrade purples unless you have a good reason.

[tepid pagoda]

Roll from Brunt mostly

Upgrade

It's shit

[polar kraken]

Ps swords are good too but i find it difficult to time the power up against ragers

[cursive goblet]

Or if theres a guide anywhere that would be coool

[tepid pagoda]

Repeat

[bold ibex]

the new block charge kinda fixes that

[willow badger]

so buy a bunch of grays from the store

upgrade ones with good stats

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, PS as a rythm to it

[polar kraken]

It does

[forest maple]

Just got this drop from a mission... Whats best here?

[willow badger]

so if i have one with meh stats but power cycler we can sacrifice it to unlock power cycler for other ones right

[sharp ember]

wow what a drop

[polar kraken]

but still not as braindead as catachan

[carmine cradle]

chainsword

[willow badger]

god i hate rng

[tepid pagoda]

Not running it

[forest maple]

Yikes

[atomic zephyr]

roll high stat weapons from blunt, grab good blessings and dont get lost in the sauce
its very easy to get into a gamblers mindset

[cursive goblet]

Alright, thanks

[wanton dawn]

Power Cycler is by far the most important blessing on PS. Probably one of the most important blessing overall

[atomic zephyr]

for 90% of this game's content you'll be fine with an alright weapon roll

[forest maple]

IF i wanted to run it?

[sharp ember]

hold onto that, chainaxe doesn't have a niche yet but that can change

[atomic zephyr]

except power sword, that needs cycler.

[tepid pagoda]

Flak and Maniac probably

[sharp ember]

could run it as is to hoard refinements

[atomic zephyr]

i wish this game had some sort of forgiveness mechanic where it would favor giving you blessings you dont have unlocked

[eternal sable]

lets go

[sharp ember]

that's too reasonable, guards take him away

[atomic zephyr]

you'll never silence me, inquisitor

[gaunt hinge]

[tepid pagoda]

Just play for 10k hours

And keep rolling

[gaunt hinge]

i saw what you deleted

🫵

[atomic zephyr]

ive got ~250 hours and honestly at least on my vet ive got nearly all the good rolled weapons i want

[tepid pagoda]

My favorite thing is that

[carmine cradle]

power sword without power cycler feels like a different weapon

[tepid pagoda]

New players don't know how HORRIBLE the game has been

[carmine cradle]

feels like a mk 5 force sword

[tepid pagoda]

Especially for crafting

We used to not even have crafting

[atomic zephyr]

good chainsword, decent ps, catachan 4, and all my favorite guns

[tepid pagoda]

[atomic zephyr]

though i do have to try a columnus

[plush kernel]

The iag?

[atomic zephyr]

gave graia a roll yesterday and it just doesnt hit the same as an agri iag

[atomic zephyr]

yes

[plush kernel]

I like it

[atomic zephyr]

it looks like a neat lil smg

[plush kernel]

I haven't used iags since the very beginning of the game probably

[atomic zephyr]

i adore the agrippina iag

[plush kernel]

But it was dishing out good damage when I tried it yesterday

[willow badger]

god i hate the gacha aspect of this game ngl

[plush kernel]

I have yet to try the agri iag cause I can't find one with good base stats

[atomic zephyr]

at least it doesnt try and make you pay for plasteel

[mystic belfry]

Still stupid that they didn’t just reuse Vermintide crafting

[tepid pagoda]

Yeah they just waste my time

[halcyon jackal]

gacha systems should never be in a game that you pay money for

[tepid pagoda]

I much prefer NOT getting to pay my way out of farming

Ur rite

[atomic zephyr]

i never got familiar with VT2 crafting actually

game didnt click like darktide did w/ me

[mystic belfry]

It’s rng but it’s easy to do

And weapons have set stats for their power level, maxing at 300

[fluid gust]

Behold, buttscratcher

[halcyon jackal]

I can understand freemium games, but when you pay $30 or more for a base game and your progression is locked behind lootboxes...

[mystic belfry]

No rolling 34 damage etc

[atomic zephyr]

i see

[plush kernel]

I wanted to try something like this

[tawny pawn]

anyone here using combat blade?

[tepid pagoda]

Yes

[tawny pawn]

curious what perks/blessings i should be aiming for

[plush kernel]

I have a high stat columnus that rolled into raking

[tepid pagoda]

Uncanny Strike and Riposte/Precognition

[half wigeon]

is the accatran recon 6 still worth using ?

[plush kernel]

I haven't made a stealth build for my vet yet though

[tepid pagoda]

No

Recons are terrible rn

(Always were)

[fluid gust]

Think I might try that infiltrate vet build on the launcher, but it REALLY pains me to give up on Survivalist

[tepid pagoda]

They're just more terrible now

[half wigeon]

there were nice 2 patchs ago x

xd*

[tepid pagoda]

Only because they didn't use any ammo

They were still pretty meh

Imagine any other gun having no ammo consumption

They'd absolutely wreck whatever the recon guns did

[atomic zephyr]

i rolled a god tier VId recon the day before the shock trooper nerf

pain

[tepid pagoda]

[half wigeon]

idk it was the only weapon i liked

[tepid pagoda]

Why not use an autogun that isn't bad

[fluid gust]

Helbores with surgical are extremely ammo efficient right now

[tawny pawn]

thank you thank you, curious what perks you take too

[atomic zephyr]

you might like the braced autoguns

[tepid pagoda]

The only upside of recons were that they have no recoil so you can be lazy.

[fluid gust]

and Laspistols too

[short wigeon]

yes, though its a good idea to run a flak perk at least on heresy and higher

[tepid pagoda]

Uhhh. Maniac + Flak probably.

[slow spade]

Maniac is my go-to now

[atomic zephyr]

flak maniac is always the move

[slow spade]

Fuck specialists

[tepid pagoda]

Laspistols can be better recon guns its funny

[atomic zephyr]

laspistols have insane damage output

[tepid pagoda]

But you gotta use macros for it

[fluid gust]

I think I got like 10 minutes into a mission with a laspistol before I realised I had only used up like 10 ammo, funny

[atomic zephyr]

however i like not having carpal tunnel

[slow spade]

Laspistol needs buff

[half wigeon]

still worth using ?

hmmm okay

[atomic zephyr]

does it really need a buff?

with all that crit damage?

[tepid pagoda]

Laspistol is kinda busted rn

It's only downside is ammo consumption

[slow spade]

15% crit -> 150% crit pls

[atomic zephyr]

lmfao

real

[short wigeon]

As someone who has almost always used it, Yes. But im heavily biased

[clear lark]

what do you guys run for blessings on shovel

[half wigeon]

yeah i was using it a lot but now with the % damage reduction with distance :/

[slow spade]

Recon is usable but its basically a liability in auric

[cursive goblet]

Which guns are the best?

[half wigeon]

liability ?

[cursive goblet]

I'm currently using a kantrael 12

[slow spade]

Can't go wrong with helbore, plasma, revolvers, or MK12s

All those guns are reliable

[wanton dawn]

Kantrael is probably B tier rn ?

[tepid pagoda]

Helbore 2/3, Plasma, Revolver, IAGs, Lasgun, Laspistols, Braced autos (except graia), Headhunters

[wanton dawn]

Though B tier gun are usable in auric maelstrom these days

[tepid pagoda]

Almost all guns are good now.

[slow spade]

Poor Graia

[wind echo]

is spamming grenades on chaos spawn and bosses the right way to use the sticky grenade or am i stupid

[atomic zephyr]

graia stil sucks lol

[bold ibex]

thoughts on what i should do?

I'm reluctant to get rid of thunderous for brutal momentum but that feels like probably the right call

[tepid pagoda]

Depends on if you have a Zealot with a hammer

[tepid pagoda]

Thunderous replace yes

[slow spade]

Its magnetic and does 4000+ damage to carapace

[tepid pagoda]

Brittleness is a waste

[atomic zephyr]

just throw krak at anything tough

[bold ibex]

feels so bad deleting a rank 4 skill i don't have already D;

[wind echo]

kk

[tepid pagoda]

You don't care

[atomic zephyr]

yeet that shit

[slow spade]

Krak can also stick to flak armor

[tepid pagoda]

Unless you roll a new better one and replace that one

To take the T4

[slow spade]

So it can fuck up scab ragers if you don't like them too

[atomic zephyr]

eh if its flak armor just shoot it unless its a horde of maulers

[wanton dawn]

Krak stick to flak but it need to almost touch target

[slow spade]

Yeah but fuck ragers

[atomic zephyr]

just backwards dodge slide

[slow spade]

Spawn director: "oops all ragers"

[atomic zephyr]

more bullets

[slow spade]

I'm using a plasma with maniac instead of unyielding solely because of dreg ragers

[atomic zephyr]

they go down easy if you can line up good shots

fair lol

[tepid pagoda]

Don't you two-shot both ragers with PLasma

[atomic zephyr]

ragers always do the most damage if theres already a horde

one shot them with a charge

[slow spade]

Not without the maniac damage (or headshot)

[tepid pagoda]

Yeah but don't charge

LMB spam OP

[willow badger]

whats ur helbore strat

[atomic zephyr]

click on head

[tepid pagoda]

Hope your team helps you

[willow badger]

charge shots or nah

[tepid pagoda]

Yes

[gritty mirage]

maniac for both mutants and ragers

[tepid pagoda]

Charge fully

Always

[atomic zephyr]

always charge

[tepid pagoda]

Unless they're loser enemies

[ruby totem]

I like maniac so you can stop a mutant with an uncharged headshot

[atomic zephyr]

uncharged helbore does dogwater damage

[tepid pagoda]

Ideally you get a full charge so you stack Surgical

[slow spade]

Executioner stance to instantly pull out rifle and always full charge

[tepid pagoda]

And use no ammo

[atomic zephyr]

fully charged mk3 helbore is basically a mini plasma

[plush kernel]

How is the mk3 atm

[tepid pagoda]

Slow but strong

[atomic zephyr]

still a cannon

[plush kernel]

Cause the last time I used it was when it first got buffed

[willow badger]

whats ur fave kantrael

[plush kernel]

The xii will always be my goto

[atomic zephyr]

i always rolled the xii before but honestly the 1a is growing on me now

with the buffs

[tepid pagoda]

XII is still the most ammo efficient I believe

[atomic zephyr]

still dont like the IV

[tepid pagoda]

But the 1a has the most DPS or something

[atomic zephyr]

^

[sullen scarab]

Not sure what to do with this shovel. Had to roll off a crappy T1 perk. Should I swap Thrust for Uncanny Strike, or swap Decimator for Uncanny Strike and change Infested to Flak?

[tepid pagoda]

But Lasguns have less ammo use anyway with crits so

[atomic zephyr]

xii still does more damage per shot so you get more worth per shot

but like, ia shreds anyway

[slow spade]

MK12 is better if you can get the headshots

[atomic zephyr]

so pick whatever theyre all good

[slow spade]

Iirc it can 1 shot gunners

[atomic zephyr]

it can

opening salvo

[slow spade]

Very comfy

[willow badger]

alright whats ur laspistol strat. sorry I've got like 20h in the game, trying to get a feel for all the gear

[ruby fulcrum]

Dumdum+infernus then click weakpoints

[tepid pagoda]

If you want the elite strat also get a macro to swap and fire instantly

Though that will break if the server eats your inputs

[slow spade]

You can get insane toughness damage resist with the "weakspot kills give toughness" talent

[ruby fulcrum]

There's a mod makes it easy. Fullauto

[slow spade]

Its funny how ungodly tanky Vet can get again

[atomic zephyr]

shoutspam

[slow spade]

Indeed

My friend is a psyker running the cooldown aura

[atomic zephyr]

i have a melee vet build that uses a devils claw, shout and agri shotgun

extremely fun

[slow spade]

• the -20% cooldown maelstrom

You have essentially 100% uptime

Basically a free maelstrom win

[devout atlas]

similar build to this but with psword6, shout and lawbringer

I recommend trying out pswords for their anti-carapace push attacks, will let you use another blitz

[atomic zephyr]

how is the lawbringer anyway?

[devout atlas]

fantastic at horde-clear with the right setup

[spare wolf]

This skill is bugged

[sharp ember]

much better

[atomic zephyr]

hrmm

ill have to give it a shot

[sharp ember]

special shell so fun now

[spare wolf]

You actually takes extra dmg instead of reduced dmg

[slow spade]

Works for me, how so?

Ah

[spare wolf]

AFAIK

[atomic zephyr]

ive been using the agri shotgun because it opens bulwarks like a can opener

[slow spade]

I haven't seen that issue

[sharp ember]

yeah love the agri slug

[slow spade]

Though I usually don't get hit

[devout atlas]

agri is real nice especially with weakspot talent

[atomic zephyr]

wait for the bulwark to get close, fire a slug, then dump everything into his face

feels so good

[devout atlas]

you can also parry them with dclaw

thats what I do on my zealot

[atomic zephyr]

true

both are options

[devout atlas]

actually been enjoying this zealot build using dclaw, bolter, stealth and throwing knives

dclaw on a crit build goes nuts

those lights are SO fast

and when you get a crit parry headshot on a boss

MMMM

it only struggles against crushers thats why i slapped a boltgun on it

previously i used an autogun

[fleet drift]

Can someone recommend a plasma veteran build?

[devout atlas]

after this auric I'll show u mine

oh cool i joined in the moment they all died

LOL give me a min to switch characters

[fleet drift]

Also what’s dumb stat for Plasma gun?

[devout atlas]

thermal resistance and ammo (to a certain point)

plasma gun is an annoying weapon to get good rolls at as its very very fickle on some breakpoints

[bold ibex]

sometimes when you make mistakes, it's best to find your inner commisair

[fleet drift]

My brain just overload

[bold ibex]

Brilliance does that to people.

[devout atlas]

I actually run smokes with it as Plasma doesn't clear rooms of shooters as quickly as alternatives. 2nd build for if you want extra ammo and shredders.

For melee get something that is good at self defense. I use shovel but getting a good one is difficult, Devil Claw 4 should suffice.

[fleet drift]

is that okay?

[devout atlas]

Yes it's quite good. Lets hope you get good perks on it

[fleet drift]

What Perk and Blessing do I need?

[devout atlas]

With that much damage you should be able to one tap charged Crushers with Carapace

[devout atlas]

Maniac is nice for one tapping Pox Flamers, Carapace is very good for charged one tapping Crushers. Imho the best blessing combo is Gets Hot and Blaze Away.

[wanton dawn]

Why weakspot dmg over elite dmg ?

[devout atlas]

The way you wanna use it against bosses is 90% heat, charged headshot, tap special, charged headshot, repeat

[devout atlas]

?

Elites are shotgunners, gunners, ragers

you already delete them

Weakspot damage lets you one tap Crushers

[wanton dawn]

Ogryn too

[devout atlas]

do massively more DPS against bosses

[wanton dawn]

Elite include ogryn

[devout atlas]

Okay?

[bold ibex]

i'm gonna do it to it.

[devout atlas]

Well if your build needs it, grab both

Mine doesn't ty and goodbye

[wanton dawn]

It'd be a 4 points eco on left tree 🤷

But as you said, you do you

[manic badger]

vet discord is just full of nerds lmao carapace and maniac elite damage enables crit breakpoints on some elites. the best damage is to just not charge at all just spam primary fire into the bosses head its more ammo efficient and dps efficient

also elite damage obviously affects your melee damage on elites so its worth taking regardless

[manic badger]

you need minimum of 78% damage and stopping power to hit all plasma gun breakpoints you want 71-73% charge rate optimally because too high of charge rate will actually lower the damage on your charged shot

[brisk umbra]

ehhhhhhhh ish

being able to oneshot some stuff with a bit of a charge does help compared to just knocking them down

[bold ibex]

...chain axe would be pretty bomb if it's charged special attack completed the swing. Like- stopping on each enemy, if they die, it keeps going and going until the arc is over.

[manic badger]

im talking about specifically on bosses

[umbral scaffold]

Greetings.

[brisk umbra]

oh, yeah then who cares

[manic badger]

the guy who was talking about damage on bosses with plasma rifles

that guy cares

[umbral scaffold]

Hello?

[ruby totem]

Hi

[umbral scaffold]

Hush now all of you little ones
Rush now into the middle of Nowhere, singing and laughter will die...

[bold ibex]

okay it was a mistake to do-it to-it a chainaxe. just died against normal, unarmed mobs because i couldn't kill any of them D:

[willow badger]

lol i just learned that stationary dodge and diagonal dodge were things

bruh

[brisk umbra]

Chainaxe is the worst weapon in existance

if you left click you're dead while stuck looking at a cool animation

[candid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/harrypotter-gif-7966636

[ruby totem]

Stationary dodge?

[devout atlas]

hello veteran chat

[devout atlas]

chainaxe users when they find out powersword push attacks exist

[candid bridge]

[radiant chasm]

Oh yea chaxe vet sucks

No attack speed to make animations quicker

[kind scarab]

Bottom right in the tree has our only 15% attack speed

Doesn't make it any less bad tho

[trim hemlock]

AS doesn’t even make light attacks quicker re: regular rev animation

It’s still very slow and inefficient

[brisk umbra]

Isn't that just an animation?

Like you can't make it faster in any way

Like, realistically, it's not the absolute worst if you never light attack, but if by any chance you missclick you just die :V

[valid apex]

the revovler is so overtuned

🤣

[radiant chasm]

Attack speed makes the shredding attacks faster

I know this cause i play martyrdom zealot with chaxe

[trim hemlock]

I may have not noticed a great difference then, with the 15% AS from right-hand side tree

[kind scarab]

It's there

All weapon attacks are animations, so it pretty much serves to reason that it'd work on the Chaxe too

[bold ibex]

chaxe is bad and should feel bad. but chain sword is a good time

[slow spade]

The 15% boost also makes power sword charge faster

Honestly MK6 melee vet build is pretty fun with the attack speed buff

[bold ibex]

do weapons have a base crit chance?

or do you need perks and what not to hve any?

[kind scarab]

Yes they do

[slow spade]

Yes

[kind scarab]

Can't remember how much exactly, but they do

Since each weapon is seemingly different

[slow spade]

Laspistol for example has a base crit of 15%

[kind scarab]

[bold ibex]

i've been debating on getting rid of +4% crit for +25% flak or some such

[slow spade]

Idk any others lol

[slow spade]

Its not a crit weapon so losing the crit is probably ok

[radiant chasm]

Chaxe is technically good on zealot but… it still plays terribly and has no gore

[kind scarab]

That crit is prolly all that's keeping you able to get decent cleave with DS

If you're gonna get rid of the crit, I highly suggest replacing DS with Wrath

[radiant chasm]

Crit chance dropped and dstrike dropped for savage sweep

[kind scarab]

Csword doesn't have enough cleave to proc Savage sweep in mixed horde

Stick with Wrath

[tiny summit]

Yea isn't there a basic cleave on hit blessing?

[radiant chasm]

What

[bold ibex]

that's kinda my worry I guess. But I prefer DS over savage sweep since I like the reliable uptime over needing to power attack and proc it

[radiant chasm]

Wrath requires continuous hits it drops a ton in proper melee combat

[bold ibex]

maybe if i had a higher level savage sweep I'd try it, but 2seconds isn't much of anything.

[radiant chasm]

An unrev’d heavy def procs in a horde, unless by mixed you mean bulwarks and crushers

[kind scarab]

With Wrath, on light attack 3, you can cleave through 5 targets while maintaining full cleave damage. Cause Wrath is somehow bugged

It also gives extra damage on that cleave.

[tiny summit]

Just don't whiff

[radiant chasm]

2 seconds is a lot when wrath can drop by whiffing or blocking

[kind scarab]

Not entirely sure why, but Az tested it out the other day

[radiant chasm]

That’s a bug i never heard of

[bold ibex]

isn't light attack three a downward strike?

[radiant chasm]

Like, not even in zealot chat

[radiant chasm]

Lmao i think it is

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1170855894075060234/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.05_-_17.41.02.03.mp4?ex=655a8f86&is=65481a86&hm=b1ddea51bb68acdf3d50f8af896cc13a5b9e04ce84e1335e832a2f57cec48a84&

The testing from the other day

[radiant chasm]

Savage sweep procs in one heavy from a mixed horde and maintains itself

[kind scarab]

In case you're interested

[radiant chasm]

Bugtide

[kind scarab]

Yeap

[radiant chasm]

Okay, wrath is better cause it is bugged

[kind scarab]

Yeap

[valid apex]

look at this

[kind scarab]

And likely won't get fixed, cause bugtide

[radiant chasm]

But, if it wasnt bugged, sweep is better

[valid apex]

i barely even shot and still did a shit load of damage

[kind scarab]

On paper, I'd believe so.

[bold ibex]

Huh. Well. I guess I'll just leave one customization slot open on chain sword then.

[kind scarab]

But only if you used heavies to proc it first, then continued with lights with heavies in the mix

[radiant chasm]

2 seconds is more than enough time for more enemies to get in range, lets you block reset your combo

[valid apex]

@kind scarab is it carapace/flak? or cara/maniac for revolver?

[bold ibex]

unfortunatley i only have savage sweep 2.

[kind scarab]

Cara Man