veteran-class

[flint lake]

mk3 has the best hoard clearing

[gusty thorn]

Thanks

So mk3 for hordes mk6 for elites?

[marsh condor]

The second one is more roughly balanced.

[placid portal]

Mk6 has weird cross heavy sweep iirc

[marsh condor]

Technically, yes.

[idle carbon]

more or less, ya

[bold ibex]

idk what i should do with this weapon.

[idle carbon]

both do the other thing fine, just not as good as the other

[placid portal]

Ngl I like the overhead swing over stab imo

easier to snipe heads vs actually looking at the head

[idle carbon]

good thing the mk6 gets an overhead swing right after the stab

[placid portal]

Ye

[marsh condor]

What would the third pattern of Power Sword be like?

[placid portal]

Really nasty combo

[marsh condor]

A glorified cutlass for elites, or...

[placid portal]

IF they add a 3rd that is

maybe it's a powermaul sword

[gaunt hinge]

yea but mk6 got stab and then swing followup

[grim thunder]

I want another mk for the revolver just like a big one

[silk sleet]

Power axe

With single target damage

[delicate moat]

slapping with the sword instead of slicing

[silk sleet]

pls

[idle carbon]

there's only so many ways you can mix up power sword in it's current form
IMO you'd need something like a crucius vs ironhelm thing for a new power sword, maybe a power saber

[placid portal]

power saber sounds like a Psyker thing

[idle carbon]

naw that would be a force saber

[brisk sapphire]

There's a power greatsword model in the files and you can use that model with a mod, so perhaps they'll add that

[marsh condor]

Just a dumber idea I have now

[wanton dawn]

Make it a single edged sword with a katanaka somewhere and call it a day. instant success

[silk sleet]

Why do we want more swords?

[grim thunder]

3rd power sword could have a pommel strike as its charge up animation

[idle carbon]

his emperor's glorious militarum gets access to the tasty power weapons

[marsh condor]

Imagine the third pattern as a longsword.

[delicate moat]

more = better

[silk sleet]

How many swords do we already have?

Why not a power axe?

[brisk sapphire]

Power shovel

[silk sleet]

Power everything

Power spear

[brisk sapphire]

Digs faster than you can handle

[marsh condor]

Power weapons everything-

[bold ibex]

Power running! Power lifting! Power sleeping! Power dating! Power eating! Power laughing! Power spawning babies! You'll have so many babies! 400 BABIES!

[marsh condor]

Back to random thoughts.

[silk sleet]

Vets equivalent to the eviscerator

[marsh condor]

For Psyker, what weapons could we share with them?

[brisk sapphire]

Duelling sword would be dope

[silk sleet]

2h power sword would actually be cool and unique

[marsh condor]

Basing it on the Vermintide Longsword (without the blocking mechanic, unfortunately)

It's still technically one-handed, but it's definitely designed for two-hands.

[brisk sapphire]

There ain't no BLS in this game

[idle carbon]

there is a 2h power sword kicking around the files
plus IIRC one of the 2 weapons the assasination target can spawn with is a 2h power sword, though they're so big they use it 1-handed half the time

[marsh condor]

Just as a concept.

[wanton dawn]

every sword is 1-handed if you are big enough

[idle carbon]

reminds me of how they had the crusher too before zealot got it

[wanton dawn]

unles you are too big then it becomes a toothpick

[idle carbon]

and a plasma pistol :P

[placid portal]

I can Imagine ogryn wielding a powersword as a cleaver

[marsh condor]

Let us embrace our inner Bloody Magpies and steal liberate the weapons from their accursed former masters.

[silk sleet]

I thought it was a force sword?

[sharp ember]

autogun with chain bayonet when?

[marsh condor]

Not enough stubbers

[wanton dawn]

chain bayonet sounds like 2 bad idea coming together

[marsh condor]

Wait, speaking of stubbers...

[placid portal]

WAIT

[marsh condor]

Imagine if we somehow get Stub Pistols

[placid portal]

AUTOGUNS WITH CHAINBAYONETS?

https://tenor.com/view/gears-of-war-gears-of-war-chainsaw-gif-6186586

[sharp ember]

2 negatives make a positive

[marsh condor]

And it exists

[wanton dawn]

Pretty sure it does...

[marsh condor]

DUAL PISTOLS

[brisk sapphire]

is it crazy that i almost never use this thing anymore

[sharp ember]

with that 49% mobility same

[marsh condor]

If you found a better Power Sword, either keep it or scrap it for that Slaughterer Blessing.

[sharp ember]

hit the breakpoint to lose a whole dodge

[brisk sapphire]

id say its a fairly ideal roll for a 362 base

cant say i know what the dodge count cutoffs for mobility are

[marsh condor]

I've two Vraks Headhunter autogun with good stats except for stability and mobility, respectively.

[wanton dawn]

50%, 51% to be safe

[brisk sapphire]

ah

noted

[placid portal]

so one less dodge

[brisk sapphire]

49% pretty unfortunate then lol

[marsh condor]

Which one should I prioritize first?

[wanton dawn]

mobility needs to be high enough not to lose a dodge

[marsh condor]

Is stability important enough on a DMR?

[brisk sapphire]

guess my shovel aint too bad then

[placid portal]

nice

That is really good

[brisk sapphire]

vet shovel doesnt feel that strong rn tho honestly

so ive mostly been using claw IV with rampage and sweep

[wanton dawn]

cuz it is is not that strong. It is serviciable

[mental parcel]

Why the sword soo bright

[marsh condor]

I have a shovel with Limbsplitter and Uncanny Strike.

[brisk sapphire]

they photo'd it while it was powering on

[marsh condor]

The stats themselves are pretty good.

[placid portal]

Shovel is servicable and Love it

[silk sleet]

Shooting ropes out my meat musket

[junior grail]

Excuse me but wha-??

[grim thunder]

[wanton dawn]

terrible day to have eyes

[gusty thorn]

[placid portal]

OK I just did some testing

I realised the 8% Weakpoint bonus allows Lucius MK3 to kill crusher/maulers in 2 headshots with crits

Passives also added(30% Weakpoint + 10% Elite + 25% Ogryn/Monster)

Though it seems you can't do that if you're close range

[gaunt hinge]

longshot

[placid portal]

Ye

No wait

it's killzone

15% dmg do be something

Ye you gotta have 25% carapace to 2 shot reliably

[astral blade]

Would it be to much to ask the devs to increase comp urge to 5%

Maybe even 10%

For the chance to proc

[leaden skiff]

Blessings for the Columnus Mk V?

[astral blade]

Depends what build you have

If stealth vet taking fire and dumdum

[leaden skiff]

Bold of you to assume I have a build

[thick kestrel]

dumb-dumb and fire-frenzy are solid choices, if you're doing some sneaky flanky infil shenanigans raking fire is also a reasonable option.

[fathom grail]

Imagine having a build in darktide

[astral blade]

Seriously those do y’all think comp urge needs a buff to its proc chance?

[spare wolf]

No

[thick kestrel]

(also worth noting that Raking fire is a solid choice to help you burn down monstrosities quickly from behind)

[astral blade]

It don’t proc even for my liking

[thick kestrel]

honestly? 2.5% feels pretty solid considering it's any teammate to trigger it and the sheer volume of enemies at higher difficulties.

[astral blade]

5% wouldn’t be to much to ask

[spare wolf]

Cool story bro

[brisk sapphire]

being last man standing, finishing off a boss, and then getting blasted off into oblivion by the burst of its death 👌

Was a good one

[spare wolf]

Kinda only valids for beasts of nurgle

[spare wolf]

Meant to reply to this

[astral blade]

Seriously 5% chance for comp urge to proc

That can’t be to bad of a buff no?

[spare wolf]

It already pretty much perma triggered

[thick kestrel]

for weakpoints aye, it's still a decent damage boost against spawns considering how tiny they're head is for weakpoint shots and sometimes you just need to unload into the back of an ogryn in the panic.

[spare wolf]

During whole game

[brisk sapphire]

Yea I feel like the buff is up pretty often

[spare wolf]

So yea

No buff is needed imo

[astral blade]

Booo

[thick kestrel]

40% damage is just kind of decent with a fairly easy condition to meet

[spare wolf]

It's not imo

[thick kestrel]

admittedly would only recommend it on the mk5 IAG out of the three... mostly because you're probably up close doing smg flanky fun stuff

[spare wolf]

If you are looking at their backs at diagonal position

It doesn't count as "back stabbing"

IIRC

[thick kestrel]

raking fire triggers once you get past the 180 mark doesn't it?

[astral blade]

Correct

[thick kestrel]

so yeah, just get past the half way mark and you get the damage boost :>

can test later today to confirm

[spare wolf]

Is it counts differently compared to "back stabbing" in zealots?

[astral blade]

Seriously y’all wouldn’t be happy if comp urge got a buff to it’s proc chance?

[spare wolf]

Because zealots "back stabbing" has shitty counts

[thick kestrel]

I would presume so, almost all resources I've seen suggest it's once you're past the halfway mark it kicks in

[spare wolf]

If it works like zealots one it's trash if you ask me

[thick kestrel]

need to scoot the now, but I'll jump on and check later this afternoon to confirm if someone else doesn't before then

[astral blade]

No basically if you are behind the enemy in a from a 180 angle

You will get the raking fire buff

[spare wolf]

Let me test it

[spare wolf]

It does have quite generous hit counts

[solid talon]

Lets say I wanna lay down a lof of fairly accurate ranged fire with some okay damage at a full auto fire rate for most of the mission. Should I go autogun or recon lasgun?

[spare wolf]

Headhunter autoguns

With full auto mod

[solid talon]

They have a full auto thing?

[spare wolf]

Get the mod

[astral blade]

raking fire with dumdum

[spare wolf]

There's a mod that let's you do fullauto on semi auto guns

[solid talon]

Ah I can't mod the game. Steamdeck file layout is weird as shit

[spare wolf]

Steamdeck??

[solid talon]

Ye

[spare wolf]

The hell is that

[brisk sapphire]

Is that the switch stream

[solid talon]

Handheld linux pc made by valve

[brisk sapphire]

Or steam switch

[solid talon]

^

[spare wolf]

People actually using that shit?

[solid talon]

My laptop died and I had this. Darktide runs pretty well on it

But yeah, I'm just trying to decide what I should be using for a gun lol. Are infantry autoguns good?

[spare wolf]

Recon las

Would fit your description

[brisk sapphire]

Columnus infantry is good

[spare wolf]

Autoguns can be bit unstable from prolonged full auto fire

[solid talon]

Nice, I love spewing lasers everywhere

I gotta looknat all the variants and see what does what best thougu

[spare wolf]

I believe 6d is still the best

Despite the nerf

[solid talon]

Oh that makes it simple then, just gotta get one of those

thanks king

[gaunt hinge]

im giving the graia brauto another shot and its still so mid

[spare wolf]

Graia brauto is meh

While columnus brauto at least has this unqiue gimmick

[gaunt hinge]

i keep getting my planets mixed up

i meant columnus

[sharp ember]

i think you have your brautos mixed around

graia gang

[spare wolf]

Did i?

[solid talon]

Time to go spit lasers and huck kraks at heritics, see you nerds later

[brisk sapphire]

I like Agri brauto on vet, columnus infantry on zealot

[sharp ember]

graia fuller auto and accuracy ramp-up

[spare wolf]

Oh yeah i did

Yeah graia is the one that spread gets tight back with prolonged full auto fire

[sharp ember]

for that reason it is my king brauto

no controlled bursts, just dump the whole mag because you have like 12 of them

wish it and columnus got Stopping Power stat like agri does though

[spare wolf]

Yeah

There are some guns that i wish it had stopping power instead of collateral

Collateral sucks ass i have no idea why it exists

[gusty thorn]

Its like cleave but for ranged weapons right?

[spare wolf]

Literally dump stat on every gun it has

[kind scarab]

Dump stat so not all guns are useful

[spare wolf]

It does much much more than that

[gaunt hinge]

stop gaslighting me

[spare wolf]

Sorry

[sharp ember]

collateral is mostly stagger and suppression

[spare wolf]

Stagger actually makes your shots miss

[gaunt hinge]

stopping power is penetration but for ranged weapons

[spare wolf]

[placid portal]

Stopping power also affects stagger, cool

[sharp ember]

i mean it sounds like cleave from the name, doesn't it? but no

collateral damage

[gaunt hinge]

it should be renamed to suppressing instead

[spare wolf]

More confusing terminology please

Swedish gaming

[astral blade]

think i like the devilclaw sword

[spare wolf]

Devilclaws are pretty solid

[brisk sapphire]

Can save your life against disablers tho

Hated how recon las didn't stagger dogs or anything really

[spare wolf]

Meh the guns with collateral stats are usually stagger just fine without it

[brisk sapphire]

The old OP shredder knocking everything on its ass was annoying tho

[astral blade]

What blessing would y’all recommend for devil claw? UwU

[kind scarab]

If you're screwing over your ability to kill, in exchange of being allowed to not dodge disablers. You're using a crutch that's only making you worse at the game

[spare wolf]

Even when it's like 20% collateral

[kind scarab]

[brisk sapphire]

Staggering a pack of hounds makes them easier to kill too tho

[astral blade]

Seriously what are good blessings to use on the devil claw?

[gaunt hinge]

but killing the hounds makes th-

[brisk sapphire]

Rampage and savage sweep

[kind scarab]

Or ya know, just kill them

Or stand next to a corner, since they can't jump you through them anymore, and you can just sweep the bastards when they get close

[brisk sapphire]

Most guns can stagger, it's just weird using one that can't

[astral blade]

this is what i have to work with

[solar sky]

Shred, Rampage, and sweeping strikes are probably the best ones. Just depends what you want to use it for

[astral blade]

horde clearing

just pure horde clearing

[placid portal]

Ye replace hammer with rampage let the blood flow

[kind scarab]

Me, going into a mission wanting to test out a shovel build

[placid portal]

pog

[kind scarab]

Only to find some barely level 30 man and his level 17 friend who can't kill a poxwalker

[placid portal]

zamn

sounds like heavy lifting a shovel has to do

[solar sky]

IN that case, go rampage and sweeping strike. Best combo for horde clearing imo

[delicate moat]

some graves may need some digging too

[placid portal]

Unfortunately he has one slot left so it's most likely rampage

[placid portal]

can't dig through steel beams

But can throw into water resovouir

[solar sky]

oh, swap hammer blow for rampage or sweeping strikes and should be good to go

[solid talon]

I return, spamming shout for toughness is really fun

[placid portal]

Really super overtuned imo

Should go back to 50 Toughness

[delicate moat]

shouting for teammate to stand up in the middle of the fire is also super fun

[placid portal]

Making it utterly useless

[solid talon]

I wanna run revive shout but I worry about blowing my load too soon

[delicate moat]

i save my revive shout until end of mission

[solid talon]

[placid portal]

Revive shout? Don't normal shout give enough windows with grenades?

🤔

[delicate moat]

you're assuming revive shout is being run for effectiveness

it's being run for the memes

[placid portal]

[gaunt hinge]

fire in da boof

[placid portal]

Nice

[delicate moat]

now... hadron...

[placid portal]

That is really boofed

Let the Empra Bless thine weapons

[solid talon]

Gah wish my gamepad aim was better. Helbores look super cool but I keep worrying I'm gonna whiff my shots like a nerd

[placid portal]

Don't worry simply aim and let empra guide your shots

[solid talon]

Based, you've convinved me to try

[delicate moat]

i dont use helbore because i cant handle the hold and aim style

[placid portal]

Don't think about the ironsights the middle of the screen is your target area shoot ther

[solid talon]

Is there any real differences between the helbore variants?

[placid portal]

Mk3 has a side protector

[whole moon]

Bodyshots w a charged 3 ain't not joke either

[rancid cloud]

I wonder if fatshark will add new type of weapon for the veteran, belt feed LMG autogun or karskin style cannon...

[solid talon]

Veteran Stubber when

[placid portal]

So you see the Iron sights like: | 1 |

[rancid cloud]

concept is there:D

[placid portal]

Yeee

[whole moon]

Only if I also get a creased rollie too

[placid portal]

Or an autogun that's a Machinegun variant

That's just called a stubba innit?

[agile vale]

Na give us the scion hotshot lasguns

[placid portal]

Give all the Guns

Plasma Pistol

[agile vale]

mmhm gimme bolt pistol

[solid talon]

Kinda want more like, autopistols but a bit better. The canted aim sorta thing is really fun just for style

[placid portal]

Maybe even a m1911 Warhammer style

[solid talon]

Please

[placid portal]

God's Caliber and Eternal Handgun

[solid talon]

The emprahs caliber

[placid portal]

Swear to god John Moses Browning do be a Gun Guru

[solid talon]

2 krieg wars

[placid portal]

He made 2 weapons that have withstood 50+ years

ofc m1911 is getting out of service bc beretta

Italians do be really good gunsmithing

Can't believe the Italian Gunsmith made the 2nd Semiauto shotgun after 1 week from the 1st semi auto

[rancid cloud]

Here: Vraksian heavy stubber, i bet most of pdf forces use that type of stuff, heretic included. Let me feel that sweet recoil:D

[placid portal]

Man the Siege of Vraks was some long ass Siege

[agile vale]

50 more like 110 years

[placid portal]

50+ still counts above 100+ years

[agile vale]

truuuue but it sounds more impressive as 100

[placid portal]

Ye Century old design lasting a good time

Now Veteran having a Emplacment Machinegun with special action to deploy it for More accurate Dakka

https://tenor.com/view/tachanka-rainbow-six-siege-lmg-gun-gif-21497597

[rancid cloud]

In real world we still use MGs that are almost unchanged since ww2... MG42 - now MG3, its almost the same if you look at it.

[placid portal]

Tbf Machineguns won't fade off bc the fact it offers so much suppression against infantry, it won't fade away soon until we use robot soldiers or something

heck even the Browing Machinegun from WW1 is still viable for defense bc it's a machinegun for its own right

[cloud current]

recommend me a good gun to change from XII, the thing felt so well rounded and satisfying to tap heads that I've barely (not) tried anything else

[rancid cloud]

we saw both RU and UA forces using old maxims on their battlefields...

[placid portal]

Might as well use it

[rancid cloud]

Good shoota is good shoota

[silk sleet]

We all want the gunners stubber and hotshot

Balance would be the issue.

[silk sleet]

Ive seen both with mosins in the rear

Has anyone had issues with their exe stance not refreshing on kills?

[midnight mortar]

Haven't had any issues on my end.

[astral blade]

yeah not a huge fan of the devilclaw

[midnight mortar]

Its main value comes from parry killing crushers/ragers.

And without mods, you won't get to test that since there's no enemy AI attacks in the default meat grinder.

[karmic musk]

Prob with the mod, experiencing it ocasionally as well

[midnight mortar]

Pretty sure that's a known weapon customization mod bug.

[placid portal]

Problem with parrying ragers is sometimes their attacks go through if you parry mid combo of their attacks

[agile vale]

I wish the enemy range was better, theres so many times I get smacked by a dude 8 miles away from me, ragers esspecially are the worst

[karmic musk]

If you turn your back they will hit you from further iirc

[agile vale]

Na Im facing them and it happens all the time

[karmic musk]

If you reconnect to the same game, switching weapons will cause it to disappear again

[solid talon]

Hey what do you guys put on your trinkets?

[gaunt hinge]

stamina regen, ordo gain and sprint efficiency on +3 stamina

[solid talon]

[gaunt hinge]

no cap i run 3 identical ones

its fun

replace sprint with gunner resist if you like

[solid talon]

Time to try and find 3 +3 stamina trinkets

[pine plume]

Knife zealot behavior

[karmic musk]

Is Toughness Regeneration Speed still useful?

[tropic copper]

Just started this class gotta say yalls penances really suck

[gaunt steppe]

9 Stamina, 36% Sprint, 36% Stamina Regeneration

[severe finch]

This worth any count or should I pull blessings and move on?

[gaunt steppe]

Which might actually be pretty rad with Stripped Down.

[karmic musk]

No 80s, vendor it

[kind scarab]

It's good enough

Just use it temporarily on a heavy HS build, until you get a better one

[severe finch]

should i roll groaners pox off it then if so for what?

[kind scarab]

Yeah, switch off Pox for something like Cara or Muttie

Then tailor your actual talents to HS damage on left tree and you'll mostly oneshot everything even with a crap Plasma gun

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1169337615993016351/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.10.31_-_16.37.36.01.mp4?ex=65550984&is=65429484&hm=ba7f249e224c645743a8a0a336ea5258a61ca3616ec630dee7743939ca1e4dfb&

[gaunt steppe]

Groaners to Carapace, Maniac or Unyielding and Potentially Shattering to any of the others. You can keep Shattering to turn Weakspot to another +25% damage, but Shattering is almost not necessary on Plasma.
Otherwise, pull Volatile. But it'd be a waste.

[kind scarab]

As you can see, even with my random ass Plasma it works fine

[austere zodiac]

Any ideas for a nice veteran sharpshooter build? i am playing vraks headhunter and munitory sword and while i feel pretty good with headshots i struggle when attacked by hordes in a meantime. Would be grateful for an advice

[gaunt steppe]

A good cleaving melee weapon. Power Sword, Claw Sword.

Stuff like that.

[kind scarab]

^

[silk sleet]

1 shot hipfire at any range

Beautiful

[silk sleet]

Plasma gun and antax axe

[south spindle]

Its an MG42

[umbral scaffold]

The first shot being perfectly timed with a ping...

[jovial nexus]

all in a days work for plasma vet

[dusty ferry]

Plasma vet goes hard

now pair it with a shovel

That goes harder

[jovial nexus]

never tried shovel

im a power sword stan

[dusty ferry]

Power sword is also great

But I am having a lot of fun with shovel, it is better now

[forest maple]

Power sword is ultra powerful offensively but its doodoo defensively

i really want to like the power sword

but i cant

[dusty ferry]

That's the thing

Power sword's offesne is the only thing one can and should care about

Because doing so just.. kind of outweighs the defense

[forest maple]

There are some crucial moments in certain missions that power sword doesn't cut it, for me

[dusty ferry]

I can imagine fighting bosses is where defense would be helpful

Have had that trouble, helps to have stagger options like krak grenades and shout

[gusty bison]

When u need to bum rush bombers outside LoS

But theres a buncha enemies in the way

[dusty ferry]

True..

[dusk idol]

what blessings do you run on your shovel?

[forest maple]

I dunno guys, i cant really explain it properly but especially for auric t5 high-int gauntlet, i dont find the power sword clutch worthy

[dusty ferry]

Uncanny Strike and Skullcrusher

[forest maple]

it fails me in some situations and the chip damage i keep getting is not good

[dusk idol]

bet bet, been tryna make one work but it wasn't cutting it yet

[forest maple]

i might be bad with it

[dusty ferry]

It's alright, if it feels like it is not it for things like those it is all good

[forest maple]

but i prefer faster and more mobile weapons

[tawdry hull]

I feel helbore is not that good anymore after the skill rework x,x

[dusk idol]

been playing around with a tac axe

surprisingly, not terrible

[brisk sapphire]

i am here once again to show off my shovel

[dusty ferry]

I had to make a melee build to make it work well and it has helped. It feels even more effective with having 15% melee attack speed.

[dusk idol]

but it hurts my hand like the combat knife

[brisk sapphire]

oops wrong one

[covert badger]

tfw its worse in every way but it looks cooler

[dusty ferry]

Thrust is beautiful

[forest maple]

How does it deal with hordes full of elites

[brisk sapphire]

thats ogryn shovel, file names are almost the same lol

[dusty ferry]

I am yet to get a good ogryn melee

i

[dusk idol]

you really gotta dance with it, and it's slow - similar to the combat axe rn

but just faster and lower damage

less stagger opportunities as well

[forest maple]

does it benefit from brutal momentum?

[dusk idol]

not really

i mean weakspot damage is nice but i chose headtaker + shred on it

[brisk sapphire]

Tactical axe kinda garbo

[covert badger]

anything not crowd clearing is garbo

[dusk idol]

tbh i've just gotten bored of all my melee weapons

trying out new things just to freshen things up

pleasantly surprised that tac axe is usable

it's nothing to write home about beyond that

[brisk sapphire]

On vet perhaps. Duelling sword goes hard on psyker with a crowd clear staff

[tawdry hull]

tac is the small or the big?

[dusk idol]

small

[forest maple]

A good chainsword is pretty much the best melee for me atm

[tawdry hull]

wtf thats a good weapon

[dusk idol]

combat axe is better since it can actually kill crushers

[forest maple]

axe damage with fast swings, has good cleave and aoe clear and can do pretty good single damage

only struggles with carapace

but oh well

[covert badger]

psyker is the only exception, guns dont do enough besides maybe twin linked but basically all of ogryns melee are crowd clearing

[dusty ferry]

Nah it does not really

Having blessings for power per hit and stagger damage stacks is better

[dusk idol]

i don't think it's a bad weapon, i just don't think it really compares to the other choices vet has

[dusty ferry]

Because shovel staggers and handles hordes well, it does not have high damage

[forest maple]

What would you guys say are the top 3 melee's atm for Veterans, considering the highest difficulty with the most sweat tryharding available

[tawdry hull]

Its good for mobility

just diff playstyle

[dusk idol]

my personal choices are dclaw, mk6 powersword and rashad

[brisk sapphire]

The classic flamer/hammer zealot kinda an exception... If they can find the ammo

[dusty ferry]

Shovel, Mk6 powersword and bleed knife.

[forest maple]

Shovel? Interesting

[brisk sapphire]

I almost miss OP flamer

[dusty ferry]

I have had no issue handling hordes or killing enemies with shovel in Auric

In fact it does the job pretty well

[dusk idol]

dclaw horde clear and parry is just too good for me to pass up

[forest maple]

I would say chainsword, dclaw 4 and maybe combat axe

[tawdry hull]

I was running shower/helbore for the krieg meme but always died xD

[brisk sapphire]

Claw 4 is the way

[dusk idol]

i like claw 7 as well

[dusty ferry]

I do not run death claw because all my death claws are shit rolls

[dusk idol]

but claw 4 is easier for me to use

[dusty ferry]

[dusk idol]

💀

[tawny pawn]

380 dclaw 4..... on my psyker T_T

[forest maple]

Why would you take a dclaw over a chainsword? Parry?

[sharp ember]

psword, chainsword, claw but shovel is close behind

[dusty ferry]

And I would have said chainsaw is good but I have not enjoyed running the chainsaw at all so it isn't one of my favs anymore

[forest maple]

Ive tested most melees and the chainsword feels leaps ahead

deals with everything

[dusk idol]

i'm not sure about the stat differences down to a number but dclaw feels as if it has more cleave than chainsword, you lose out on the special but the parry is great into ragers mixed into hordes if you kite back

[dusty ferry]

Oh, I meant enjoy, objectively chainsaw is great

But it is not my melee of preference anymore

[forest maple]

Is ripping into the soft flesh of heathens not enjoyable? 😄

[sharp ember]

devil claw swing angles are very comfy for consistently swinging head level

[dusk idol]

hey now i never said that

[forest maple]

dodge sideways while hitting a mutie with charged rev special is never not satisfying and cool as fuck

[sharp ember]

chainsword got that brute force damage for the slightly wonky heavy swing angles

[dusty ferry]

If I be honest.. I have not enjoyed that lately. Even though it used to be very satisfying to rev hit and dodge big enemies it fell off for me

[forest maple]

fair enough

[dusk idol]

in hi5stg though i feel like i can rely on my dclaw more than i can the chainsword

maybe just skill issue honestly

[forest maple]

nah, whatever works best for each and everyone

[dusk idol]

cutting the heads off of flamers in one heavy swing is what is satisfying for me though

[dusty ferry]

It is also that I just want to use more obscure, less meta weapons lately but the shovel goes hard like damn

[forest maple]

like how i cant really make the powersword feel good for me

[dusk idol]

it's chef kiss on dclaw 4

[tawny pawn]

what perks/blessings do ya'll run on the dclaw 4?

[dusk idol]

i run rampage/skullcrusher

for mega damage and still decent cleave

[raw birch]

can shredders get dumdum?

[dusk idol]

afaik no

they get pinning fire though, objectively better

[south spindle]

Its not, Pinning was gutted last patch

[golden axle]

Agri Brauto Best in Slot blessings? death spit/hit&run?

[dusty ferry]

I run a grey dclaw

[brisk sapphire]

Firing frenzy/deathspitter

[grim thunder]

Why are so many blessings short range

Like I want some reload blessings for my revolver that actually work

[severe finch]

Cause zealot is the melee/upclose class

Oh wait

Haha wrong channel

[grim thunder]

Don’t worry about it

[severe finch]

Doesn't vet have talents for reload

[grim thunder]

Yea

But the revolver reload is still pretty bad

[severe finch]

Sorry thought I was still in zeal cause I had asked about the stun grenade penance

[grim thunder]

It happens

[severe finch]

And it can be but I typically don't run it on vet haha I still use my MK VId

[grim thunder]

I enjoy the revolver a lot because of the range and general feel

Especially with executioner stance it deals big damage

You can one shot most non-boss enemies if not all with that

[severe finch]

I love it on zeal as a snap shooter with cruio rounds (forgot the actual name but the crit on emptier mag) with hand cannon

[wet pendant]

what weapons for veteran i should look for

[severe finch]

Makes it a nice quick draw

[grim thunder]

Most weapons work really well on vet, what type of guns are you looking for, horde clear or dmg? Or something in between

There’s the plasma gun for example

[severe finch]

Most common are the kantreal MG 12/plasma/mk VId recon/helbore mk2-3 and the revolver

[grim thunder]

It’s vet exclusive and hits really hard

Just try not to blow yourself up with it

[severe finch]

Depends on your style and fire rate intrest

[grim thunder]

Las pistol isn’t bad either

[wet pendant]

i really like the las gun

[severe finch]

Ain't tried it since patch

[wet pendant]

sadly none want to drop for me

[grim thunder]

Hmm

What level are you right now?

[severe finch]

Anyways gotta bounce have a good one

[grim thunder]

When you reach 30 it’ll be a good idea to buy some from the shop if they have good stats

[forest maple]

Is this worth grabbing?

[grim thunder]

You can also check the shop rotation or Melk to see if a good one is getting sold

[wet pendant]

lvl 30

i playe d ton of release but then i got bored

and now restarted playing

[grim thunder]

That’s good stats,might as well see what other blessings/stats you get on it

The flak armor bonus is nice too

[grim thunder]

I see

[forest maple]

it super bricked but its fine 😛

[grim thunder]

What did you get lol

[forest maple]

8% poxwalker damage for second perk

[grim thunder]

Hmm

[forest maple]

and a level 3 bad blessing

sold it now

it was terrible

[grim thunder]

I see

Unfortunate

[forest maple]

yeah no worries

[wet pendant]

my current gun

[grim thunder]

Oh nice

That seems like fun weapon

[wet pendant]

it is

[grim thunder]

I like my revolver with surgical a lot

[brisk sapphire]

since we're showing off our vraks

wrong one

[grim thunder]

Does critical weakspot damage mean a weakspot hit that crits or does it mean the orange weak points like for nurgle beasts

I forgot

[forest maple]

weakspot crit yes

[grim thunder]

I see

What’s the difference between blessings that give power vs blessings that give damage

Is it just a difference of when the modifier is applied?

[dusk idol]

power affects a plethora of your offensive stats like cleave and impact on top of damage

whereas damage is just purely only affecting damage

unless it's rampage

[grim thunder]

Ah I see

So does it apply to armor penetration on the revolver too?

For example

[dusk idol]

it may do, but i'm not entirely sure about penetration exactly

[grim thunder]

Ok

Good to know

[brisk sapphire]

bruh

[grim thunder]

[wet pendant]

there is a way to increase the power?

[grim thunder]

You can’t increase the base stats

But perks and blessings are modifiable which also affects the items total score

[tawdry hull]

buy new ones till u get one with good rolls

[fast heart]

Thank you emperor for this weapon.jpg

[tawdry hull]

I think Ill give helbore 1 more chance... with chainsword

lmao

long name

[fast heart]

Recon Lasgun

[untold mulch]

Is silly how the Laspistol is straight up better

Been using it since I got it recommended

Better ammo economy, more damage at close, stupid weakspot and crit multiplier

FullAuto mod to not get Carpal Tunnel though

[covert badger]

If helbore didn’t have the longest pullout animation ever conceived I would use it more

It feels slower than boltgun

[untold mulch]

Yeah, is a pain in thea ss

Exec Stance helps with it, but is a bandaid

[grim thunder]

I mean

Depends on which one you use

But once you have it out and running with onslaught stacks it’s good

[untold mulch]

Yeah, it gets silly

But you depend that the melee fighters of your match are not braindead

Sure, I will rush with my thunder hummer this room with 10+ gunners

My plot armor will protect me

[covert badger]

Watch me emperor as I take on this room of 5 ragers

[untold mulch]

5 ain't bad

Opinion may be biased because I have gotten used to the director spawning 10+ in stairs

[covert badger]

I was playing vet but I got destroyed earlier by that scenario

[wanton dawn]

Best I can do is 30

[covert badger]

Even popped the gold thoughness

[untold mulch]

Their audio is kinda fucked up

Like, ONLY NOW I have begun even understanding Rager voice lines

One would expect them to be

you know

louder

[covert badger]

The audio mixing is terrible in this ngl

[wanton dawn]

In any case, if you want to handle rager group PS is your best friend

[untold mulch]

Terrible is short for this mess

Whoever mixed/mastered the audio in Fatshark was either rushed to hell

[covert badger]

You can’t hear common enemies but you will listen to the mutant and hound across the map

[untold mulch]

or was absolutely clueless

[untold mulch]

Hearing their spawns are good

but the audio being so fucked up

that you can't know where even

Me doing a 360 and being absolutely clueless of where tf is the target even

[astral blade]

I’m now curious as to why people are so deaf not to hear a daemon host?

[covert badger]

It’s like a loudspeaker from all corners of the map lol

[untold mulch]

it may be possible for the audio nbot to play correctly

has happened to me

[covert badger]

My friends said they get it confused with trapper

[untold mulch]

but usually the mist is a good indicator

I see mist, I instantly get on edge

[astral blade]

Yeah tbh the first thing I try to look for is either mist or I try to listen

[untold mulch]

but in a month of T4+ games, onyl once I have not heard it

instantly tripped on her

backdodged like crazy

and had a heart attack after

First get out of the way before dying

[wanton dawn]

No sweat

[covert badger]

I love when she buzz buzz buzzes

[umbral scaffold]

is this gangsta or do i need to hit 80% damage to hit any sort of breakpoints?

or does the blessings just do that for me?

[astral blade]

Heh it’s kinda funny when you play R6 siege for so long sound whoring kinda becomes second nature

[untold mulch]

Good audio is necesary for these types of game

your eyes are not enough by a long shot

[astral blade]

And looking for certain audio queues

Does help allot

[umbral scaffold]

darnit ill buy it

[astral blade]

Plus the rumbling of my controller also helps allot

[covert badger]

I’m so used to not aiming down sights thanks to boomer shooters and deeprock, my aim is terrible in this game

[untold mulch]

I am only began using sights regularly when I was using the MG lasguns

absolutely hated it

[astral blade]

Might I introduce you to a little mod known as the weapon customisation mod

You won’t regret it

[untold mulch]

True way to play shooters is hipfiring while closing the distance

[covert badger]

I wanna use helbore more but the aim is terrible for that wep without ads

[untold mulch]

I want to hear their lamentations

[covert badger]

I’m waiting for nexus release

[astral blade]

Yeahhhhh don’t bother

Get that shit from discord

[covert badger]

Can you add holo sight or sm that isn’t iron sight?

[untold mulch]

there is 3 reflex

[astral blade]

Yes you can

[untold mulch]

to choose

[astral blade]

Mhm

[covert badger]

Nvm I’m getting it now

[untold mulch]

I use the reflex on everything

included brautos

just beecause they look nice

[sharp ember]

nyet, rifle is fine

[covert badger]

Genuinely need a sniper scope for boltgun

[untold mulch]

only reflex as of now to my knowledge

And in my opinion

[covert badger]

Damn but still that would be amazing

[untold mulch]

anything more than x2 in this game is overkill

[grim thunder]

Yeah

[untold mulch]

I can use the sights to fight against snipers with minimal accuracy problems

[grim thunder]

You aren’t firing at many things far away

[untold mulch]

x3-x4 + will make you aim worse

[grim thunder]

Unless you are in the train section or something like that

[astral blade]

Smart man

[untold mulch]

Unless they add a map where you have 300meter sight lines

which ehhhh

[astral blade]

Btw go to the offical modding discord for darktide

[mental parcel]

so close to 50

[grim thunder]

The closest to that would be that one raid

[astral blade]

I don’t think the actual founder of the mod known as weapon customisation mod is ever going to nexus

[covert badger]

The way they made boltgun is begging for actual sights on it but it has the worst iron sights I’ve ever seen

[untold mulch]

With a reflex is so good

[sharp ember]

there is a separate nexus mod to configure your aim zoom, but that's where i draw the line because it's changing the weapon functionality

[untold mulch]

I just believe more scope zoom just will hinder you more than help

a fight at 50m is already ridicously long in this game

[sharp ember]

agreed, it'll cause more tunnel vision

[astral blade]

Bro don’t tell me you’re one of those people who vanilla

[untold mulch]

I just butchered that word, but can't bother to see how to type it correctly

[sharp ember]

i just told you where my line was

[covert badger]

I see random vanilla clips on YouTube and it is disgusting

[untold mulch]

Seeing vanilla hud is a pain

[astral blade]

Indeed you won’t see me going back to console

[river escarp]

Thi good ?

[untold mulch]

Is so useful to see the exact ammo

oh you are white but like at edge of yellow, take the ammo

oh, my last match

[covert badger]

I changed it to percentage but idk which I like more

[severe finch]

ew chainaxe haha never could get a good flow with that weapon

[untold mulch]

MF YOU HAVE 1100 BULLETS AND USED 50, AND YOU PICK THE BIG AMMO BAG

[sharp ember]

Headtaker is a good blessing, the rest not so much. Chainaxe isn't in a comfortable place to begin with as well

[untold mulch]

I can see benefits of both

[astral blade]

Yeahhhh that’s piss taking honestly

[sharp ember]

Wouldn't buy it for melk bucks

[covert badger]

I find it to be Ogryns especially who are dunderheads about ammo

[untold mulch]

Absolutely clueless idiot

is always the same type of player

[river escarp]

Saw it on the Requisitorium thinking about buying it

[untold mulch]

% is good if you want to quickly check

[sharp ember]

I'm thinking it isn't worth your money

[untold mulch]

I prefer hard numbers because I can calculate approx fasdt

[river escarp]

What about this one ?

[astral blade]

Imma be real the only time I’ll ever take ammo stash is if I’m in the yellow and got less than 100 bullets left

[severe finch]

i only take ammo if im playing vet or everyone else is white

[untold mulch]

I take it if no bullets are going to go to waste + everyone ignored it

[covert badger]

People start getting antsy and instantly take whatever’s in a chest sometimes too which.. makes no sense

[astral blade]

Vet main here

[mental parcel]

should take big ammo from someone who needs ammo badly and watch them rage

[untold mulch]

The Vacuum rejects

[river escarp]

Depends on the weapon for ammo pickup. if I have a lazgun on and I have around 500 rounds I let others take it.

[white minnow]

shlerp

[severe finch]

cross all 4 classes to fill holes in the squad

[covert badger]

Idk if they wanna pick up that diamanté or need to fill up the 10 ammo they’re missing but it’s annnoying af

[sharp ember]

Maniac and Headtaker and decent base stats. Pretty nice. You can change Crit Damage and Shred to Flak and Brutal Momentum and it'll be solid

[severe finch]

jack of all trades master of none type myself

[south prairie]

This man has been cursed with knowledge

[astral blade]

Alas fella I’m not like that

[untold mulch]

Since I added those type of mods that give me info

I see so many actual Ogryn behaviour

[astral blade]

Unless you piss off a daemon host than I’ll do that shit

[covert badger]

Finally have a face for these dunderheads

[untold mulch]

without the hud and stuff you can't see exactly how stupid someone is

unless you are paying too much attention to them

[astral blade]

Seriously piss off a daemon host with me in the squad

[untold mulch]

sadly I average 2 OgrynBrains per match

[astral blade]

I’ll just let y’all kill it

Imma just stand back

[covert badger]

After enough playing, the real enemy is the players you play with

[astral blade]

And watch

[severe finch]

maybe this is why as a console player i have fewer issues with other players haha

[astral blade]

Since my newest build is just literally able to take chunks out of boss enemies

[severe finch]

cant actually see how bad it is unless i watch em

[untold mulch]

FOR REAL

[south prairie]

This is why ignorance is bliss and the imperium dictates you not educate yourself

[sharp ember]

I recently just watched a player at 100% ammo try to mash E and take the ammo tin out of the box I opened while the rest of the team was around 60% ammo, and he just kept waddling when he realized he couldn't take it

[severe finch]

am very strong sah

[untold mulch]

I am very weak

[astral blade]

Serious question what do you guys do if your teammates piss off a daemon host?

[spare wolf]

Murder demon host

[severe finch]

unless im a shield ogryn or in a team vc i just watch

[untold mulch]

I try not to actually vocalize my peeves unless someone is actually BRAINDEAD or trolling

[south prairie]

Kill demon host

[spare wolf]

Cuz ogryn is cool like that

[untold mulch]

[covert badger]

If it’s low haz I try to kill it, if it’s high haz I say my prayers and go secure that diamante

[acoustic wyvern]

find a ledge and abuse it

[untold mulch]

I fight the DH

and depend on how the trigger was

I will, vocalize stuff

[astral blade]

Well let’s say high intensity hunting grounds

[severe finch]

like most stuff is obvious if they are bad because of constantly going down and eating ammo and not know what their class actually does but after that its only really noticable if it causes a team wide issue

[sharp ember]

I try to kill it, but it's more about saving the 2nd target rather than the guy who startled it

[astral blade]

And you’re teammates piss off the daemon host but you have no ogryn with shield

[severe finch]

this

[spare wolf]

Why do you think that

[covert badger]

Why is plague Ogryn so easy and beast so fun, while chaos spawn is the hardest thing in the game

[spare wolf]

ogryn needs a shield

[south prairie]

If you aint soloing the demon host you aint playin

[severe finch]

or i try and force me to be the second target so i can use the restroom while being revived/respawned

[astral blade]

Being there done that as vet

[spare wolf]

Pick up the stubber and start murdering bosses and demon hosts altogether with burn stacks

[untold mulch]

I still get grabbed by the spawn sometimes

Need to get used

[severe finch]

its that VT2 Ai it brought with it haha

[astral blade]

Literally find it funny when I call out a daemon host

[severe finch]

mark it too

[astral blade]

Tag it/high light it

[severe finch]

and they still walk right up to it and stare at it

[astral blade]

But still a bozo runs into it

[covert badger]

Noobs tend to attack it if you highlight it

[untold mulch]

Deamonhost!
Ping it

Idiot wanders and shoots at it

are you dumb by nature or is a professional career?

[severe finch]

lol

[astral blade]

This ^

[severe finch]

aint heard that one before cornsnake

[untold mulch]

[fallen geyser]

stealing that

[untold mulch]

Steal away

[covert badger]

is career sah

[untold mulch]

Indeed it is Big Lad.
Indeed it is

[astral blade]

Heh ya know what I say don’t piss off the guy who reviving the team

Or the guy who carrying the team

[covert badger]

Is vets instant revive worth the smaller radius?

[untold mulch]

I did't quite like Ogryns pre-darktide

and then the dialogue arrived

[astral blade]

NO

[untold mulch]

[brisk sapphire]

It's not worth the longer cooldown

[untold mulch]

Some people say no, others say yes

[astral blade]

If ya want sage revives most of the time

[brisk sapphire]

Using voice for damage avoidance is much better

[astral blade]

Choose invis vet with “leave no one behind” passive

[covert badger]

Damn I didn’t even notice the longer cooldown, not worth

[untold mulch]

In my opinion, more range for the shockwave + faster cooldown is better

The revive can come in clutch, but ehh

[brisk sapphire]

It's fairly spammable without the revive

[untold mulch]

exactly

[covert badger]

Backstabs and stealth ain’t my forte

[south prairie]

VoC + the revive speed talent would probably work batter than reshout

[astral blade]

Seriously the passive “leave no one behind” is Goat

[raw birch]

what perks do u guys usually put on plasma rifle?

[untold mulch]

Carapace?

[raw birch]

carapace maniac?

[covert badger]

Faster reload is always best for heavy wep

[raw birch]

carapace reload then?

[severe finch]

safe bet

[astral blade]

Seriously does any stealth vet use the passive “leave no one behind”?

[brisk sapphire]

Why reload? Plasma has half its total ammo in one mag lol

[south prairie]

because reload instantly clears heat i reckon

its probably more economical than venting

[nimble hazel]

If you're not using Gets Hot! then I guess that's a decent upside

But IME venting 20-40% is way faster and gets the job done

But I use Gets Hot!, so y'know. I like the heat.

[umbral scaffold]

am poor im gonna cry

[south prairie]

i dont really use plasma either so i dunno

[tawny pawn]

is this bugged or something?

[south prairie]

yes

was hoping theyd fix it last patch but they did not

[tawny pawn]

awww, well th ank you for the confirmation

[south prairie]

actrually, has anyone reported this yet?

[valid apex]

Flak/elite is good.

Gives a lot of breakpoints

Muties will be 3 uncharged shots even with maniac

Haven’t tested maniac+elite

[kind scarab]

Everyone

You ain't the first or last to complain about it

and they already said they working on it

[wanton dawn]

Did they fix the resupply allies yet ?

I need those prison pants

[placid portal]

Unfortunately no

[valid apex]

Has anyone reported the resupply penance being bugged?

[wanton dawn]

Am not sure

[south prairie]

cool, thats good to hear

[raw birch]

with plasma with big boys like carapice do u uncharge shot or charged shots?

[dense light]

You reassess the weapon you're using and switch to the MK3 Helbore.

[deep oriole]

could anybody know how to complete the "make every shot count" penance?

[raw birch]

heck even monstrositys?

[placid portal]

charged shots likely guarantee 1shot

[placid portal]

Generally Bosses

[dense light]

Use a revolver and wait for a monstrosity.

Then go melee the rest of the round.

[raw birch]

never tried the helbore guns ngl

[sharp ember]

Uncharged if you're running Blaze Away

but generally they're basically the same, for damage/ammo value*

uncharged might save you ammo from less overkill if other people are also shooting

[placid portal]

But charged shot vs Bulwark do be nice

[dense light]

They're excellent if you have a history or prior experience with any Counter Strike game. All head shots.

[raw birch]

im bad with headshots ngl

[placid portal]

Helbore also needs some knowing when to switch in and out

[dense light]

Then probably not the Helbore for you lmao.

[placid portal]

or have volley fire to negate its slow draw time

Lel

[deep oriole]

i don't understand to using the revolver

[placid portal]

I usually think of Helbore Like a Bow

You draw the string and let go

[sharp ember]

yeh plasma pulls out fast like a revolver

[placid portal]

ye

revolver is a special/elite deleter

[acoustic wyvern]

if the helbore is a bow then the revolver is a crossbow

[dense light]

Run a mission with the revolver and don't use it until a monstrosity pops up. Then spend all your ammo shooting the monstrosity. And never switch back

[placid portal]

you can react instantaneously to spawns vs any weapon

[raw birch]

i love bolter but i hate that it takes long to pull out

[turbid frigate]

Why does it say the telescopic sight is unobtainable

[dense light]

Damn curbside pickup AND in-store shopping on that Kantrael?

[placid portal]

Mag dumping uses 7 rounds to kill most heavy enemies

*with pinning fire

recommend you crouch before mag dump

[sharp ember]

not a real implemented blessing, assuming that website just datamined it

[turbid frigate]

Ah ok

[placid portal]

but tap fire is a twin burst which usually ensures killing specials in close midrange

Imma try building MK1 Lucius again

Just scrapped the last one for surgical IV

[sharp ember]

mk1 lucius my beloved

[placid portal]

Mk1 has the longest bayonet out of the 3

me like

[sharp ember]

thicker than a mk2, faster than a mk3

[placid portal]

Mk3 is the shortest bayonet

which makes sense now why mk3 is a hack action than a stab

BECAUSE THE DAMN BARREL IS TOO LONG

the tip of the blade barely passes the barrel

[dense light]

This MK3 is the only thing stopping me from using the 549 MK1 I have on anything above Heresy. One shots like nobody's business.

[placid portal]

You should try swapping weakpoint to maniac and falter to surgical

Makes wonders

[south prairie]

Lucius only run when

[placid portal]

[south prairie]

No melee weapon just bayonet

[dense light]

I hate surgical though

[sharp ember]

falter huh, what the fragging hell are you trying to stagger? plogryns?

[placid portal]

Mk3 actually benefits from it

[dense light]

Surgical kinda requires you to be patient though, and I'm more in the habit of quick-charging and popping off with headshots.

[placid portal]

Not really

It's still a 20% crit chance when spam firing if you do it

[sharp ember]

you're not supposed to wait for surgical to build, that's a trap

[dense light]

Oh word?

[sharp ember]

just fire at your normal pace

[dense light]

Well I do have Surgical on my MK1

[placid portal]

ye surgical is super nasty rn

[placid portal]

old surgical was 1~5% and stacks 5 times vs 10% and stack 10 times

hecking busted imo

[dense light]

Interdasting

[pearl granite]

when darktide hear I need to kill 3 bosses to finish the weekly contract...

[dense light]

I was curious about how I'm setting everyone on fire in generally the first shot lmao, didn't know it was like that

[sharp ember]

stacks build so fast just for charging your shot it's not even funny

[placid portal]

ofc Helbore stacks slower vs some weapons

which is 0.45s per stack to 0.3s

[sharp ember]

I think headhunters get 0.2s per stack at t4

[deep oriole]

oh i see.... can i replace the bolter or have to use the revolver?

[placid portal]

REvolver is just easier to spend every shot

5/52 rounds

vs 15/80

or even shotguns with 9~13/~100

[dense light]

Yeah, much easier. Plus bolter recoil is goofy

[sharp ember]

I get so scared when bolter users forget their bolts do splash damage after passing the arming distance and tickle a daemonhost

[dense light]

My biggest complaint though about the MK1 Helbore is the sights - Holy moly those are some Emperor-awful sights. Like using fucking railway tracks trying to aim.

[sinful cave]

[sharp ember]

not bad

[dense light]

That's pretty decent. Probably swap out those perks.

[pearl granite]

btw I just come back and see some people do huge chunk damage against bosses or even daemon host. what's their trick? 🤔

[sharp ember]

not godly but not bad

[placid portal]

That's the point, Your aim is the empra

IF empra forgives your aim is true

If not, you miss and die

[sinful cave]

its not bad sure but i need someone 2 convince me its worth, im having to much fun with infantry auto gun rn to actually use a hellbore but

[dense light]

If I miss I press F and hide from everything (Except Daemonhosts now rip)

[autumn perch]

Ayo

[sharp ember]

amongst vets? anti-boss talents and krak grenades and Unyielding perk guns

[placid portal]

1 shot every pesky special

[autumn perch]

What gun

[placid portal]

Thunder Hammer Zealots with stealth

[sharp ember]

A mk3 lucius will seriously chunk a boss on headshot

[placid portal]

[placid portal]

IF

[pearl granite]

do u have a link so I can make a build like that? 😄

[dense light]

Can confirm

[sharp ember]

sorry pal, not in a position to do that right now

[placid portal]

iirc lucius headshots can go up to 4k with crit headshot from unyielding

So ye

[autumn perch]

🔫

[pearl granite]

okay no problem

[sharp ember]

but you want the Bring It Down! talent

[deep oriole]

if i using the for complete to make every shot count some people hate it

[placid portal]

Bring it down is super nice

[sharp ember]

in the middle column

[placid portal]

Makes breakpoint for 1 shot Reapers with crit

[dense light]

This specific node would be your best friend.

[placid portal]

You could slot Unyielding Perk for the additional 25% to have 50% vs bosses/ Reaper/bulwark

[pearl granite]

so bring a mk3 lucius gun, bring it down, and unyielding?

[dense light]

MK3 Helbore and every +Damage% node you can score.

[placid portal]

for boss killer setup ye

Onslaught blessing is also very nice vs Monstrosities

You can rake up firerate with it

• effective vs shooters

[tawdry hull]

u will still die if 1 trashmob hits ur back

[deep oriole]

some people said if you want to complete the penance get to the another party

[autumn perch]

What gun

[placid portal]

So any veteran that isn't shouty vet

[tawdry hull]

yeas..

i dont like the old skill now

[placid portal]

I still like it

[tawdry hull]

getting distracted by enemies then

[placid portal]

It's a good fast switch for Lucius

[tawdry hull]

boom

reaper horde

[placid portal]

That's on you

[tawdry hull]

ik