veteran-class

[gaunt hinge]

well like, all melee weapons have fast swap speed

[radiant chasm]

you can do brauto long range but standing still and tapfiring

[inner imp]

played regular damn it was worth

[radiant chasm]

some can go quicker into killing stuff for you, or in dclaw case, parry

[placid portal]

IAGs actually have weakspot damage

Unlike brautos

[radiant chasm]

if you want weakspot damage

i'd go mk3 HH

[inner imp]

i just stared at the buff bar and it does come up quite often

[radiant chasm]

if you can handle 3 round burst

[inner imp]

this is good, was looking for a replacement to the melee bleed talent

[placid portal]

It dont have recoil dou

[radiant chasm]

it's a fast burst fire as well, so you can empty your mag quick

[inner imp]

thx load broski

[placid portal]

I just dont like bursy weapons

[inner imp]

[placid portal]

[radiant chasm]

fair, it's a symptom many players have

I like the two vraks HH variants, still don't care for agri HH but at least it is viable enough

[placid portal]

Its either Full Dakka or Precision intent

[radiant chasm]

vraks 7 HH is a DMR now

[placid portal]

Yee

[radiant chasm]

so it def is precision

[placid portal]

Love it so much

[radiant chasm]

agri 3 is just, idk, really good. I do have the full auto mod installed cause I can't afford clicking each burst without my hand locking up

[cunning wing]

Guys what does it means that 'first shot is a salvo' ? That the first shot hits twice? Or is a volley?

[radiant chasm]

so that might affect my experience

[radiant chasm]

first shot after recoil is reset

[fervent quiver]

I don't know if I like the plasma gun or not

[radiant chasm]

well, even that isn't accurate, some guns have different timers, like mk7 HH opening salvo comes back quicker than mk12 lasgun opening salvo

[cunning wing]

oh ok ty

[placid portal]

3 shot burst not good
But 2 shot burst Good.

[fervent quiver]

It doesn't compare to the bolter for me

[radiant chasm]

3 round burst is still great

because all 3 rounds will crit if the first one crits

[placid portal]

Just gun mechanic ingeneral

[radiant chasm]

with headhunter deadly accurate, it is amazing

[placid portal]

Oh

Thats cool

[radiant chasm]

agri IX HH used to be the worst

it's recoil pattern was so bad the 2nd shot would miss a ton

[placid portal]

Zamn

[radiant chasm]

but now it's good

[fervent quiver]

Oh... Shit

[placid portal]

Oh?

[fervent quiver]

I found a revolver zealot that can't aim

[radiant chasm]

vraks 3 HH is just, can't go any of the salvo blessings, have to go headhunter deadly accurate

[placid portal]

Lmao

[gaunt hinge]

dime a dozen surely

[fervent quiver]

that's actually terrible news

[radiant chasm]

how

[fervent quiver]

I think they're using a controller

[placid portal]

Revolver with optic sights actually kills my aim

[radiant chasm]

the bullets are practically magnetized to heads

[fervent quiver]

and their autoaim isn't workijng?

[placid portal]

Wtf

[radiant chasm]

i thought this game had harsh aim assist

they imght have it turned off lmao

[placid portal]

Lmao

[radiant chasm]

cause revolver is probably the most forgiving weapon in the game to land hits with

[fervent quiver]

They looked over the bomber, autoaim didn't register, then they went back to melee

[radiant chasm]

9oh that is just

auto aim issue

[fervent quiver]

resulted in my death

[radiant chasm]

it doesn't really prio targets, likely caues that would be a lot of processing power

[fervent quiver]

I was in a pickable position

and they were back

[radiant chasm]

but uhh, in a horde game that sucks

just sad reality of controller gameplay

[fervent quiver]

Is it terrible when it comes to monstrosities?

[radiant chasm]

if the monstrosity is all you are worried about no

in fact it probably helps a ton vs cspawn

[fervent quiver]

nah, the elites around it

[radiant chasm]

yea, that is the issue

[fervent quiver]

oh no

[radiant chasm]

controller is fine on lower diffs but there is issues where if you have aim assist too strong, you can't turn and pick out individual targets,

[fervent quiver]

I swear they've gotta nerf the sniper's aim on higher difficulties

[radiant chasm]

if you have it too weak, opposite issue

[radiant chasm]

nah

it's a dodge timing

there is an audio que

[fervent quiver]

I can't dodge in a corridor when I peak for .01 seconds

[radiant chasm]

skissue

[fervent quiver]

when it wasn't even there

[radiant chasm]

i'm always ready to dodge and slide

zealot habit

[placid portal]

Slide doging helps alot vs snipers

[radiant chasm]

also knowing sniper's have unique footsteps/stagger grunts helps a lot

also snipers are, way better than launch

[fervent quiver]

It was a passive situation

[radiant chasm]

gotta keep on your toes

[fervent quiver]

I had reason not to constantly dodge

[radiant chasm]

you don't constantly dodge

[placid portal]

When I hear sniper I instinctuallt slide to dodge

[radiant chasm]

you constantly be ready to dodge

everything in the game evne if it's off your FOV

has an audio cue

[astral blade]

comp urge procs allot

[placid portal]

Yep

Alot

[fervent quiver]

Ik that

[zealous wyvern]

snipers sometimes shoot buggy fast

[placid portal]

True

[zealous wyvern]

their normal aim speed is fine

[fervent quiver]

It fucking buggy shot me

[placid portal]

That does happen at times

[radiant chasm]

melee attacks, ranged attacks, and snipers all have unique que and especially into higher difficulties letting your guard down is a quick way to eat damage

[zealous wyvern]

but sometimes

[fervent quiver]

saw the thing wip across t he map

[zealous wyvern]

they just shoot the moment you come up

[fervent quiver]

laser went from the ogryn to me

[zealous wyvern]

boom

[radiant chasm]

they can be locked on before you fully show yourself

[placid portal]

Suck when you get shot by sniper when it was aiming for your teammate

[zealous wyvern]

they know where you are so sometimes the shot charges before you are there

which makes sense in an active firefight duckncover

but

[placid portal]

Yea thats when you need to nope out

[zealous wyvern]

the code is weird

sometimes it happens when it should not

[fervent quiver]

In a firefight, it's kinda on you when it hits you

[radiant chasm]

basically, after playing 800 hours of aurics, i'm paranoid and if someone played the sniper audio que irl i'd hit the deck

[fervent quiver]

but... that was just weird as fuck

[zealous wyvern]

and i disagree with bandit that is fine

[radiant chasm]

it's, weird and janky and I admit i have adjusted to it

[zealous wyvern]

they are just a super serious player who even considers bugs to be fair

too much playing

[radiant chasm]

and since it is way better than old snipers

[zealous wyvern]

did snipers always have a laser?

[radiant chasm]

who would more consistently shoot through shit and sometimes laser would bug

[zealous wyvern]

i feel like at launch they did not even

[radiant chasm]

yes

[zealous wyvern]

okay

[radiant chasm]

but laser was very buggy

[fervent quiver]

At least... it isn't damn pd2's sniper

[radiant chasm]

hmm

i think a good change would give sniper a quiet spawn noise

[zealous wyvern]

aw yeah

[fervent quiver]

the laser was the only queue, and then boom

[radiant chasm]

a toned done version of the sniper gauntlet spawn noise

[fervent quiver]

50 cal in the domepiece

[zealous wyvern]

they also could shoot almost instantly

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/payday2-pd2-cloaker-you-call-this-resisting-arrest-we-call-this-a-difficulty-tweak-gif-5699362801933530758

[zealous wyvern]

if they had any idea

[fervent quiver]

ended so many runs

[radiant chasm]

only thing I know about pd2

[zealous wyvern]

is that pd3 i think it is

[radiant chasm]

month 1, I had a clever idea that I would cut through a pillar and a side room to flank a sniper from behind

[zealous wyvern]

sadly not good

[radiant chasm]

the sniper then proceeded to 180 shoot me like it's cod and I went down

[zealous wyvern]

llol

[radiant chasm]

literally as my swing is coming down

[fervent quiver]

pd2

older models

[radiant chasm]

no it's pd2, older models and it's a fanimation (I believe he uses mocap)

[fervent quiver]

but russianbadger

back during the pd2 days

[placid portal]

I really have a gripe with people shooting bursters when they're 15m within the party

[radiant chasm]

the eternal issue

[placid portal]

Worse if they're using assail

[radiant chasm]

knowing when you can shoot/stagger a burster before it is in range vs stop shooting it and letting someone push it

[tardy raft]

Pushing it is more satisfying

plus saves you ammo

[placid portal]

Push is safer if you have stamina

[fervent quiver]

...me so confuzzed

[radiant chasm]

ok tbf I fucked up a burster or two with assail, I swapped to my staff when the burster approached but I made the mistake of looking towards it and one of my shards pushed it into a teammate

[fervent quiver]

I thought the plasma gun would explode

[radiant chasm]

depends on range

[radiant chasm]

if it's pyskanium it doesn't

[placid portal]

Dont you need like1 or 2 stam bars to push safely?

[radiant chasm]

yes, you need enough stam to push, usually not an issue unless you are a veteran without stam regen/stam stuff

[white minnow]

they changed it so that pushing it with minimal stamina also works now

[tardy raft]

I think stamina ain't the problem here

[placid portal]

Ahhh

[tardy raft]

it's if you can execute it properly

[fervent quiver]

lemme restate: I thought it exploded earlier

[radiant chasm]

that is why sometimes it can be better to shoot it at a distance and minimize risk

[placid portal]

Rip

[hearty panther]

The push is mega generous nowadays

[radiant chasm]

restatement accepted

[tardy raft]

I mean for me personally been feeling like the Push has a really long reach

[radiant chasm]

yee, the push is better, some people should learn to dodge backwards with the push

[placid portal]

Worst feeling with bursters is one moment you are full hp and burst chunks half your health and cuts 1 wound off via corruption

[radiant chasm]

cause some odd angles/posisitions/fatshark BS won't have enough distance

[radiant chasm]

If I don't trust my team around bursters I refuse to handle them unless I have to

one time being blown up, yea shit happens

2nd time? nah fam you are on your own

[placid portal]

Truth

Its a worse feeling to get abandoned while fighting hoarde

[radiant chasm]

sometimes people don't notice, also depends on how much horde/what the other people are doing but yea

[upper lichen]

you mean vraks?

[radiant chasm]

game is very pacing based and that can be the bane of teams

[placid portal]

Somehow 2 seconds later my battle buddy leaves somewhere else and Im surrounded by ragers

[radiant chasm]

i typed it correctly in one spot woops

[tardy raft]

Most of the games I play people don't realize a horde can also spawn behind them

[upper lichen]

no all good just wondering lol

[placid portal]

Swear to god I will have paranoia kekw

[radiant chasm]

it is alsoa good thing to simply, kite the horde until they catch up

it is a pacing game and progress in general is good, it gives less time for the AI director to spawn bullshit on you

[tardy raft]

I just spam dodge and push while swinging to avoid multiple hits from the horde

works really well

[radiant chasm]

if you go to slow, you'll be worn down

don't spam dodge too much you could run out of dodges

[upper lichen]

oh damnit lmao i just blew 400k on greys and then found this sitting in inventory xD

[placid portal]

Sucks when everyone is sprint locked to the next area without clearing hoarde

[radiant chasm]

damn perks are bad

hmm

[placid portal]

Now I'm stuck in a hoarde

[tardy raft]

Dw my shovel will save me

[upper lichen]

but blessings fine no?

[radiant chasm]

i'd go.. crucian to deadly accurate

[upper lichen]

and leave crit chance?

[radiant chasm]

only need one crit blessing and surgical and headhunter are the best

[placid portal]

Surgical is good

[radiant chasm]

hmm

both crit chance and weakspot damage are bad

[upper lichen]

lol well yeah

[radiant chasm]

it's a hard chocie and since it is 11pm and I'm tired I invoke the "idk"

[placid portal]

keep weakspot and get maniac no?

[tardy raft]

For the headhunter I just went with more crits instead of more weak spot damage

[upper lichen]

damn tho 400k on greys and this was the only serviceable one

[placid portal]

Sheesh

Rip for that

[pliant prawn]

What's the difference between all the Helbore MKs?

[radiant chasm]

porblem with crit chance is surgical and headhunter both go to 100%

[radiant chasm]

charge rate, damage, ammo efficiency

[upper lichen]

i prefer using my mk 4 devils for maniacs anyway

[upper lichen]

mk3 being only good one

[radiant chasm]

are you sure? only need damage and stopping power really

[placid portal]

Ehh I prefer gunning them down bc they're a nuisance mid hoarde

[upper lichen]

yeah lol

[placid portal]

also maniac also helps for flamers

[radiant chasm]

rip unlucky

[tardy raft]

That stability is overkill ngl lol

[pliant prawn]

Why is mk3 the best?

[placid portal]

1 or 2 tap them with maniac

[upper lichen]

the rest are under 70 dmg or under 70 ammo

[radiant chasm]

oof

[fervent quiver]

that's brazy

[radiant chasm]

yea low ammo sucks

[south garnet]

The best helbore is a revolver on the end of a stick

[upper lichen]

much more powerful

[fervent quiver]

mk 2, stabby stabby

[radiant chasm]

is darktide breakpoint calculator updated yet?

[placid portal]

Revolver with Handcannon 2 shotting crushers is insane

[radiant chasm]

mk3 hits the hardest and can butcher monstros if you hit the weakspots

[pliant prawn]

I prefer the Helbore over the Revolver cuz it can light things on fire

[placid portal]

Even 2 tap mauler BY SHOOTING THE HEAD

[upper lichen]

and destroy crushers

[placid portal]

[pliant prawn]

yeah but it can't light things on fire

boring

[placid portal]

Helbore does kill shooters well

[radiant chasm]

https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

idk if this is updated with patch 14 stats

[upper lichen]

mk2 feels like ur just fanning enemies with a hair dryer

[placid portal]

One thing I love about helbore is it's rather versatile when engaging ranged foes

You snipe Elites then pick off Shooters

[radiant chasm]

but this is what i'd use, check important enemies the maniacs and the flaks

[fervent quiver]

It's perfect for my krieg cosplay

the mk2 is my beloved

[placid portal]

I love MK3

[radiant chasm]

helbore 3 you don't full charge it for shooters

[placid portal]

Ma Laser Musket

[radiant chasm]

you find your breakpoint where you can one tap shooters with a partial charge

which massively increases your clear time

[placid portal]

Ye half charge with headshots

[upper lichen]

yeah i keep falling back to mk3 helbore even though its a slow ass weapon to pull out lol

[placid portal]

Onslaught helps alot

[radiant chasm]

and this stacks onslaught

yee

[placid portal]

YIPPIE

[upper lichen]

my bb

[gaunt hinge]

i do prefer not having to guess with the mk2

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-yippee-gif-tbh-tbh-creature-dance-gif-27619640

[gaunt hinge]

just full charge literally every shot

bang bang bang

[zealous wyvern]

medics were not a thing until 2018ish though or something like that

[gaunt hinge]

gunner horde is dead

[placid portal]

Mk2's Fullcharge speed is insane

[zealous wyvern]

i did not know police ever wore that black outfit btw

[radiant chasm]

had a vet do that into a horde before with mk3

[zealous wyvern]

weird

[tardy raft]

Juicer or not?

[zealous wyvern]

you sure that is pd2 models?

[placid portal]

I think at 80% charge it's .13 no?

[zealous wyvern]

i google

[pliant prawn]

i want this except monstrosity damage and carapace + ignite on crit + surgical

someone showed me that and ive wanted one ever since

[upper lichen]

xD

[placid portal]

Since the charge for mk2 is 0~.33s at 0~100% charge speed sooo

[radiant chasm]

no you don't

[upper lichen]

soo that but not that at all lol

[gaunt hinge]

bad stopping power

[radiant chasm]

ignite on crit is wasted on helbore mk3

mk2 hellbore maybe could pull off infernus

[placid portal]

20% of .33 is 0.066s

[pliant prawn]

not for crushers/bosses/maulers

no?

[placid portal]

Nah

[radiant chasm]

on mk3 yes

[placid portal]

Burn damage slow

[radiant chasm]

because mk3 damage is the sheer flat damage

[zealous wyvern]

i think he just made his own models honestly

[tardy raft]

Is stopping power even worth it on Laser guns

[zealous wyvern]

i find nothing thatl ooks like that in google images

[placid portal]

yes

it affects dmg vs armor

[radiant chasm]

burn is slow, stuff like flamers/knives/purge staff applying dots is fine but you then swap to something else once you are stacked

[placid portal]

Stopping Power/Penetration improves dmg vs armor overall

So it's a big factor

[radiant chasm]

you want onslaught surgical especially with shock troop

[tardy raft]

Why can't they just call it penetration

[radiant chasm]

which also gives you more ammo

[tardy raft]

too much words

[placid portal]

Lol dunno

[upper lichen]

okay spent another 300k be kind hadron

[placid portal]

[zealous wyvern]

because it does more

it also stops

[radiant chasm]

prayin for u

[gaunt hinge]

it affects damage against everything that matters

[placid portal]

Stopping power also affect stagger right?

[radiant chasm]

templar

[radiant chasm]

yes

[placid portal]

Penetration doesnt affect stagger as well

So it's technically different

[zealous wyvern]

it is

[pliant prawn]

sooo ignite helbore is bad compared to mk3-non-ignite?

[upper lichen]

ehhh two crit blessings again lol

[south garnet]

Fatshark invented new terminology so that when they blatantly misuse it and make errors nobody can tell without in depth analysis

[placid portal]

ye pretty much you lose blessing for small damage DoT

[radiant chasm]

nah that is fineeee if you can find deadly accurate

swap stamina to flak

[pliant prawn]

but isn't it like 12 stacks

[upper lichen]

and headhunter for deadly?

[placid portal]

Infernus on Lucius is only 4 stacks no??

[radiant chasm]

swap headhunter to deadly accurate or surgical to deadly accurate depending on how you are going to play

if you want to go infernus

go a recon las gun

[placid portal]

or laspistol

[gaunt hinge]

you can do big burns on monstros

[pliant prawn]

ugh

[radiant chasm]

specifically the only one that doesn't suck, the VId

[radiant chasm]

12 stacks kek

[pliant prawn]

this guy knows what's up

[placid portal]

Dunno Like max Onslaught stacks over burning

[pliant prawn]

but i just read it caps at 12 ... ...

[placid portal]

Ye

[pliant prawn]

i thought it APPLIED 12

[placid portal]

you gotta shoot 3 times with crits

LMAO

[radiant chasm]

flames normally cap at 16 unless the blessing says otherwise

[upper lichen]

alright time to take her for a spin ty bandit

[radiant chasm]

tbf, surgical syncs amazingly well with mk3

[placid portal]

It's an insta lock

No objections

[radiant chasm]

make every shot count templar

[pliant prawn]

yeah i would never NOT run surgical on a helbore

[radiant chasm]

if you want to go infernus

go recon VId

or even the las pistol

[placid portal]

Ngl Laspistol is hilarious

[pliant prawn]

nah i wanna snipe

[radiant chasm]

good thing recon las guns are las guns

[placid portal]

I get 700 DmG per crit iirc or something

Super fast handling as well

but kills my index finger

[radiant chasm]

they got rid of it's weird reverse damage fall off but for sniping specials it's not a massive nerf

[zealous wyvern]

no level 4 things sadly.... and not 500 either
but the actual blessings and perks are good and the stats are too right?

you can work with this

gotta change that stamina

[radiant chasm]

get full auto mod

[upper lichen]

fullauto mod is a fingersaver bruh

[radiant chasm]

it's worth imo

[placid portal]

Tru

[radiant chasm]

it doesn't literally fire full auto, it just auto fires the semi auto for you

[placid portal]

Laspistol with Raking fire for the funny Commisar meme

[radiant chasm]

it isn't an exploit like the weapon swap script mods that let you break into ridic attack speeds

[zealous wyvern]

is there a difference here?

[tardy raft]

I don't know if I should be happy I rolled this or just amazed by the weird stat roll lol

[placid portal]

Well you'll reach similar RoF for the weapon

[zealous wyvern]

yeah

[radiant chasm]

yes, there were mods that have been removed from the nexus that did let you do things a player normally can't

[placid portal]

Ehh

[zealous wyvern]

but it is full auto

[placid portal]

Stopping power is kinda botched

[zealous wyvern]

full auto just means its automatic after all

nothing to do with firerate

can be slow firing

[tardy raft]

[placid portal]

No worries

[radiant chasm]

mostly focused around staffs and melee weapons

[zealous wyvern]

but it makes sense to call out that its firing rate does not shoot up

[placid portal]

it still kill what you need to kill with crits

[pliant prawn]

this looks counter-intuitive, come to think about it: don't you wanna be pacing your shots for max crit chance?

[radiant chasm]

basically you could attack like, 10 times a second with chsword with the mod?

[zealous wyvern]

lol

[placid portal]

Nah Onslaught is for the shooter groups for reliable firing time

[upper lichen]

^

[placid portal]

So you shoot slower manually for elites/specials and spam fire on shooters

[radiant chasm]

onslaught doesn't mess with surgical too much

[zealous wyvern]

surgical is for killing big targets

[radiant chasm]

maybe if you have a low ranking surgical

[tardy raft]

Feel like 60 stopping power is my average mostly

[upper lichen]

when u need the crit u get the crit, when u need the speed u get the speed

[radiant chasm]

but surgical 4 still works well with onslaught

[placid portal]

Ye you get at least 2

[radiant chasm]

if all else fails, you can always just wait for the buff on the bottom left corner to be full

[placid portal]

I just let it loose

Bc deadshot and Duck and dive got my 25% crit

Won't fail me

[radiant chasm]

yee generallly not worth waiting for a guaranteed crit when you can get multiple crits off

[placid portal]

Remember

[radiant chasm]

that is another thing, don't even need full surgical stacks with deadshot

[placid portal]

Every shot that you don't shoot is not a crit

So shoot as much as you can

https://tenor.com/view/phonk-russian-badger-russian-badger-phonk-meme-based-gif-1151806001734917784

[gaunt hinge]

full charge every shot until you start to run out of ammo and then rely on surgical crits and shocktrooper for infinite ammo

[radiant chasm]

shocktrooper is honestly giga busted

[placid portal]

Run out of Ammo?

What is this peasant autogun talk?

[pliant prawn]

makes sense, but i was really looking forward to pairing Infernus and Surgical

[tardy raft]

Running out of Ammo? never heard of it!

[radiant chasm]

get a headhunter+infernus recon las gun, rending and shock trooper talents

[placid portal]

Yea no benefit tbh you're a slow shooter and kill most enemies in 3 shots

[pliant prawn]

i know there's better options for Infernus but the aesthetic of sniping something and finishing it off with a DoT sounds very satisfying

[radiant chasm]

just bzzz your way through the level

[placid portal]

Majority of em are 1 shot

[gaunt hinge]

shocktrooper recon dead

[radiant chasm]

oh it died

[gaunt hinge]

its joever

[radiant chasm]

what happened

[gaunt hinge]

[pliant prawn]

[placid portal]

Ye Recon crit string got shorter

[pliant prawn]

damn zoomers

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/mickey-mouse-disney-minnie-minnie-mouse-gif-13659068

[pliant prawn]

zooming too fast

[gaunt hinge]

shock trooper now only refunds the initial crit

[pliant prawn]

no fun allowed

[gaunt hinge]

and the crit string went from 3 to 2

[placid portal]

They shorten the crit string so you can't have more crits per bullet

[radiant chasm]

i honestly can't keep track mof this gfame anymore

since i've stopped playing as much

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[placid portal]

True I just learned about crit strings a few weeks ago

[pliant prawn]

sustained fire blessed onto a 378 helbore, whyyyy hadron

[radiant chasm]

damn meanwhile mk3 helbore still out here, basically ammo free

love my vraks 3 crit string

[gaunt hinge]

so like, you can do recons or just go use a fucking iauto with deadeye and pound out 4 crit strings with giga damage

[junior grail]

I've heard some make the argument that Recon is... still good. As of yet, I'm not convinced and I really want to be

[placid portal]

I mean Helbore still suffers from CQC hell if you don't use Volley

[pliant prawn]

that's what melee weapons are for ...

[placid portal]

Ye

[pliant prawn]

[radiant chasm]

that's cope

[placid portal]

but what if I wanna snipe a sniper in a hoarde

[radiant chasm]

it's back to being VId is the only viable option and it's just okay

[pliant prawn]

backdodge like a motherfucker and hope u dont die i guess

[radiant chasm]

the other ones might as well not exist unless there has been some massive changes I didn't see

[placid portal]

That do be a problem but a fair tradeoff

Plasmagun can just draw and shoot to kill specials

[radiant chasm]

brauto

[placid portal]

[radiant chasm]

lowkey, you just get DS + FF on an agri brauto

and spray through the horde

in like, 8 rounds you have max stacks

[gaunt hinge]

the mk2 is a las spear, hipfire away

[radiant chasm]

i've sniped reapers through a horde in one mag with brauto

[placid portal]

Hipfire Lucius aint that bad tbh

[pliant prawn]

im looking at the charge speed for a decently-rolled mk3 helbore, it's what: 0.6s?

[radiant chasm]

granted, I am using exec stance

[tardy raft]

Just tested the Stopping power on two different rolled stat guns and stopping power really does contribute to that dps hugely

[upper lichen]

i enjoyed the plasmagun but the reload speed T_T

[pliant prawn]

that doesn't even seem that bad by default

[placid portal]

Do you know the reload cancel tech?

good shit

[upper lichen]

nayyy?

[dusty ferry]

What is the best axe for vet and what blessings one should go for on it

[upper lichen]

only tried it for like 2-3 games lol

[radiant chasm]

plasma has an animation cancel on reload right

[upper lichen]

the best axe is the mk4 devils claw

[placid portal]

You sprint as soon as you pull out the cell
Then you sprint again once you hear the click on the mag connecting
then you sprint again when the wheel turns

[radiant chasm]

rashad combat axe, headtaker brutal momentum

[upper lichen]

what in the hell lol

[placid portal]

*reload in between every cancel

[pliant prawn]

a devils claw that isn't mk1

[placid portal]

You'll save alot of time with it

[upper lichen]

im in love with the overhead heavy what can i say lol

[placid portal]

Same here bud

[pliant prawn]

yeah i like overhead heavies too but mk1 is so simple

just spam heavy forever

[radiant chasm]

decimator instead of headtaker if you are going hard into melee vet with rashad

[pliant prawn]

no need to switch anything up

[placid portal]

But muh Cheese Sword

Mk4 The Epic Cheesehole sword

[radiant chasm]

wrath is just worse sweep

[upper lichen]

nawwwww

[placid portal]

It do be

[upper lichen]

can keep it alive for longer

[fervent quiver]

oh yes, me 7 charge cheese sword

[dusty ferry]

Will this do?

[gaunt hinge]

whats sweep do

[radiant chasm]

yes, it is, same stats, but wrath will randomly drop, and it doesn't help vs 1/2 targets

[upper lichen]

sure one miss and its gone, but one miss with a heavy on sweep and ur outta time anyways

[placid portal]

Savage sweep gives 200% cleave

[radiant chasm]

yes,

[placid portal]

if you hit 3 enemies

[dusty ferry]

Thanks!

[radiant chasm]

cleave on hitting 3 targets

[radiant chasm]

nah,

sweep lasts a long while

[upper lichen]

2s is no time at all lol

[radiant chasm]

and it doesn't drop

[placid portal]

So if you're in a hoarde you cleave forever

2s is enough to clean the floor

[fervent quiver]

can I savage on cs?

[radiant chasm]

wrath will literally drop if you swing into nothing even once

or a corpse

[fervent quiver]

wait, wtf am I asking

[placid portal]

Ye Wrath is a continuous hit

Like decimator

[upper lichen]

yeahhhh agree to disagree lol i can keep it alive very well

[pliant prawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/243852289478098945/1161528865634648104/helbore_lasgun.png?ex=6554508d&is=6541db8d&hm=033951632094748deec58b4daf87d4e2378d6f4fc21eed3299e93ef0be196ffa& i found the gun btw, this isn't mine but someone else posted it and i decided i want one exactly like this

[radiant chasm]

and oyu don't use cleave unless you are fighting 3 or more enemies

[placid portal]

miss = lose all stacks

[radiant chasm]

All I did was post my fucking build and y’all went for my throat talking down on it like a bunch of toxic trolls you didn’t have to say anything if u don’t have anything nice to say then don’t say anything but naw y’all wanna be animals like every other troll and thru the safety of the internet you run your mouth and then talk smack about me it’s ridiculous and not fair of anyone to treat some one like that and u have the audacity to say I’m going thru somthing nah you and all the other trolls like you need to get over what your going thru and act right

[pliant prawn]

i said the perks wrong initially

woah get down mr president

[radiant chasm]

listen you can go wrath, it's okay

[upper lichen]

lmao wait what

[fervent quiver]

Be like me, with my damn mk ii

[gaunt hinge]

is that the new copypasta

[radiant chasm]

but you can't really disagree on facts

[placid portal]

Ye Wrath can do if you can get it runnin

[radiant chasm]

very old

[pliant prawn]

where is your surgical

[upper lichen]

i literally thanked you for helping with the gun? how was that going for your throat child lmao

[pliant prawn]

[placid portal]

Dunno if wrath count indivisual hits or 1 attack string

[radiant chasm]

from a flesh tearer+lacerate knife person

[radiant chasm]

it's a copypasta

not a dick, don't take it hard

[old quail]

that wasnt fleshtearer/lacerate

[south spindle]

Holy shit it is a cheese sword innit

[old quail]

that was a guy running 111111 on zealot

[radiant chasm]

wat was it

[fervent quiver]

if I ever get another helbor then I'll do it

[upper lichen]

blocked that fool christ

[old quail]

and he got really irritated

[south spindle]

I never even noticed that but now ima never unsee it xD

[radiant chasm]

OH It was 11111111 guy

[placid portal]

Ngl I like No respite on MK2

[radiant chasm]

love it when the problem solves itself

[fervent quiver]

I only use the mk2 for stabby stabby stab stab

[placid portal]

it has a deceptively good stagger power

[pliant prawn]

you know they can all stab, right?

[placid portal]

Except 3

[pliant prawn]

at least i think they can

[fervent quiver]

what is difference

[placid portal]

Mk3 is slash

[sharp ember]

mk3 got the cleaving axe swing

[placid portal]

icky

[fervent quiver]

eww

[placid portal]

slow as well

[fervent quiver]

Not ww1 enough

not krieg enough

[radiant chasm]

1 attack per string i believe? But it's, not really a contest. sweep is always on when you need it to be and is a lasting buff

[placid portal]

Ye

[radiant chasm]

wrath is continious swings and just drops way more and you don't even need cleave into 1-2 enemies

[pliant prawn]

ohh ivebeen using an mk2 too so yeah i know what u mean by the stab

[sharp ember]

for some reason you have to hold and release the input on mk3 to get the best swing speed

[pliant prawn]

if mk3 doesnt have the stab then that kinda sux

[placid portal]

Well Bayonet slashing action is part of the Bayonet training iirc

[pliant prawn]

nahhh stab is better for individual straggler enemies

[fervent quiver]

I want to stab them

[placid portal]

But it's more like you strike with the stock then hack them with the bayonet

[pliant prawn]

whereas if i suddenly get surrounded id want my melee weapon instead

[fervent quiver]

and stab stab

I have stabbed so many crushers to death it's funny

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-family-guy-i-did-not-care-conversation-gif-19568330

i jsut don't like las guns

[pliant prawn]

a reasonable opinion

[radiant chasm]

call me nostalgic but i love my autoguns

[dusty ferry]

Lass guns uwu

[placid portal]

Basic Bayonet training goes like
Stab
Stock Headstrike
Stock strike into Bayonet slash

[fervent quiver]

You just don't belong in the Imperium then

[radiant chasm]

i have all these future tech weapons

[sharp ember]

thus we need to make mk3 a 2-hit bash slash combo

[placid portal]

Exactly

[radiant chasm]

and I'm enjoying the bullet guns the most

[placid portal]

It'll be more fun than just swing imo

[agile vale]

Heyo, got a quick question is trauma skull crusher a decent combo for the devils claw?

[placid portal]

IT's literally what you do in bayonet training

[radiant chasm]

not at all

[lament elm]

No

[radiant chasm]

you want savage sweep rampage

[fervent quiver]

I have a shovel and a bayonet, I have enough

[placid portal]

Just Parry

[agile vale]

understandable

[placid portal]

You gotta parry them crusher overheads like a chad

[sharp ember]

Skullcrusher is only OK on shovel because it's 1 of 3 damage blessings it can get

[radiant chasm]

me in 2024 when fatshark lets you parry a sniper shot

[pliant prawn]

does this actually work or will this kill me

[agile vale]

mhm good to know

[placid portal]

You can

[radiant chasm]

it has a tighter timing

[pliant prawn]

ok ty

[placid portal]

But if you do it bad you'll only lose stamina

[radiant chasm]

iirc, overheads can be parried but the window is much smaller

[pliant prawn]

that's fine

[placid portal]

But you still survive

[pliant prawn]

im sure i can manage

[sharp ember]

ROYAL GUARD

[pliant prawn]

[placid portal]

Just no stamina afterward

[agile vale]

never really used the devils claw but Im sick of powersword swing swing activate

[placid portal]

[pliant prawn]

i will never use a pwoersword probably

[radiant chasm]

understandable

[sharp ember]

embrace claw and chainsword, just swing and kill

[placid portal]

Ngl Powersword Mk4 Power up Push attack + Light 2 taps crushers

[pliant prawn]

i tried it once without the extra swings perk and it just felt so shitty

[placid portal]

[radiant chasm]

powersword is still good, and mk6's activated push attack is, nothing to scoff at

[pliant prawn]

even with id probably hate it

[placid portal]

iirc mk4'

[radiant chasm]

pswords are mk3 and mk6

i thought

[pliant prawn]

i love chainsword/evisc tho so im kind of a hypocrite

[placid portal]

Ah

[lament elm]

Powersword is more dmg but bad defenses

[silk sleet]

which is the best cat sword?

[placid portal]

Get nubmers fucked

[radiant chasm]

no i might be brain damaged

[agile vale]

I wish powersword was more like activate and have a sorta battery for a bit before it disipates

[placid portal]

MK4 and 7 are good contenders

[silk sleet]

It used to

[radiant chasm]

real answer, prob mk4. in reality, just pick whatever gets you by

[sharp ember]

yeah, activate spam doesn't feel good if that's the default optimal way to use a weapon

[fervent quiver]

We don't want the 7 charge ps anymore

[silk sleet]

Bring back the Op power sword

[placid portal]

infinite cleave

[midnight mortar]

Both the mk3 and 6 are capable of that.

[placid portal]

[pliant prawn]

so i know what the difference between the mk2 and mk3 helbore is now, but what does the mk1 do differently than the two?

[radiant chasm]

it used to be 7 swings but that made it the best melee weapon in the game

[sharp ember]

11 swing powersword

[placid portal]

OH well that's a good thing to know thank you

[agile vale]

its the middle ground between them

[midnight mortar]

It's the middling of the two.

[radiant chasm]

mk2 is fastest, mk3 is biggest damage, mk1 is the middle child

[silk sleet]

If the power sword had the omega swing itd be okay but now its just sad

[placid portal]

Imma try that in the psycharnium now

[agile vale]

oh whooops

[midnight mortar]

Helbore mk3 is slowest charge rate, highest base damage. Mk2 is the other end.

[sharp ember]

lucius mk1 gang

[placid portal]

MK2 has a really high uncharged shot dmg

[silk sleet]

Helbore mk3 gang

[midnight mortar]

You do need power cycler and brutal momentum though.

[placid portal]

Vs all hellbores

[agile vale]

mk3 for them ogryn two taps

[radiant chasm]

psword used to be so strong that when it was nerfed people review bombed the game saying they can't do melee combat anymore

[lament elm]

Nah, it’s fine. I don’t want powersword to be like a normal sword

[placid portal]

Ye I got that

[midnight mortar]

Mk3's is higher.

[pliant prawn]

genuinely sad if true

[radiant chasm]

i still run slaught 4 on mine

[lament elm]

I can just use a normal sword if I want

[placid portal]

Oh did they change it?

Mk2 uncharged was 165 no?

[midnight mortar]

The mk3 has always had the highest base damage rolls.

[placid portal]

Mk3 is 149

[lament elm]

Lore accurate power sword would be even more OP than it is

[placid portal]

I mean in Uncharged

Not charged

[midnight mortar]

Oh uncharged

[placid portal]

Exactly

[agile vale]

I kinda wish vet had more fun melee weapons

[pliant prawn]

ok let me ask a final helbore question for now: IF i wanted to run surgical+infernus (instead of the good blessing), which MK would you all recommend?

[placid portal]

Mk3 has higher dmg range vs Mk2's dmg range of 2x

[agile vale]

gimme a shock maul and perhaps a 2 handed sword

[placid portal]

MK2

[midnight mortar]

Your helbore mk choice depends more on personal preference.

[radiant chasm]

3 swings is fine now imo, it's not like other weapons don't have activation spam options like evi activate ->h1 ->activate->h1, or thunderhammers

[radiant chasm]

mk2

[placid portal]

THunder hammers are so funny

I nuke bosses without any blessings

[pliant prawn]

i have been using the mk2 cuz it's the only one i got

[lament elm]

The problem with power cycler is it’s a bandaid fix because you only get 1 powerswing by default

[pliant prawn]

and i do like the stabby

[placid portal]

Ye

really easy to use

[pliant prawn]

im worried about that low charged dmg tho

[placid portal]

vs mk3's slashy

[placid portal]

Don't worry you get your bang for buck by charging anyways

[radiant chasm]

yea, it's... in a rough spot, I think psword top end is still good but it's low end is terrible

[agile vale]

On MK3 the Infernus doesn't really activate cause it just oneshots most things on a charge. sadly my good one has infernus Mk 4 ;-;

[lament elm]

Best way to fix it would be to give default more power swings and make power cycler less useful

[sharp ember]

no big deal, just shoot the karker twice, it's only a problem when it's a crusher in your face

[placid portal]

Crushers will survive 3 mk3 shots with weakpoint iirc

[sharp ember]

mk2 has trouble close range against carapace

[radiant chasm]

like, it's hard for me to feel pity cause it used to out perform dclaw when uncharged at one point

[agile vale]

You can easily get it to two

[placid portal]

Lmao

Without volley?

[agile vale]

lemme test

[radiant chasm]

more swings messes with swing patterns,

[placid portal]

Pretty sure it's 3 shots without + crits

[radiant chasm]

my 3rd mk6 swing isn't horizontal and neither are the following ones

[lament elm]

I’m not saying more swings, I’m saying more default swings

[radiant chasm]

like i said, an odd spot

[fervent quiver]

meanwhile my pewpew shitty ass with the mk ii taking 8 SHOTS TO KILL

[placid portal]

LMAO

[radiant chasm]

so, PC is moved to a 1 rank blessing?

[placid portal]

8 shots is still within 2s ttk

[lament elm]

You dont have to keep spamming lmb you know

[radiant chasm]

default 2+1 with PC

[fervent quiver]

cahrged

[placid portal]

ye

[lament elm]

You can just charge again and reset your chain

[radiant chasm]

i'm too lazy to check what h3 mk6 swing is rn

[placid portal]

mk2 charge time is at longest 0.33 seconds

so 3s ttk

[fervent quiver]

I have actually killed cruhsers with the stab stab

the... 76 damage stab

[placid portal]

[fervent quiver]

on a good day

[placid portal]

I wonder if exploit weakness is good on lucius

[lament elm]

I mean it is vet melee

[agile vale]

So its 2 fully charged and 1 non charged shot without volley

[placid portal]

Ye so it's still 3 shots

[radiant chasm]

but that, wastes my swings, even a diagonal charged swing clears space for me

[placid portal]

But 2 if teammates are shooting

Good to know

[agile vale]

though If I had carapace on mine I maaaay be able to push it to 2 shots

[placid portal]

Nah

[lament elm]

It’s not a waste if it works out better for you

[placid portal]

maybe if you had some rending

Imma try that out soon

[lament elm]

Just because you get 3 power swings doesnt mean you HAVE to swing 3 times

[agile vale]

I mean he is left with like 100 hp left

[placid portal]

or later

[radiant chasm]

i'm not gonna stop my swings until i'd either hit the strike downs, or the sword runs out of juice

[agile vale]

lemme test it

[radiant chasm]

theoretically yes, practically no

i play vet in auric, with my psword

[placid portal]

dunno I would spend carapace perk over Maniac

Do let us know good sir

[radiant chasm]

i think I have enough experience to say, that the sheer space creation each activated swing gives is just more leeway to let you get your next charge off

and lowers how many blocks/dodges you need

[fervent quiver]

ps mk2 heavy has gotten me off with so many stupid decisions

[pliant prawn]

[dusty ferry]

Slow charge time

[agile vale]

it now two hits crushers, with double crits

[pliant prawn]

yes ik charge rate is abysmal but i got surgical t4 so i can surrender it if i get a better one

[dusty ferry]

that will be pain

[radiant chasm]

now, if this was changed and it would hit say, I thnk it's the l5 is the strike down on mk6? Idk i haven't played for a week and my brain is tired

[pliant prawn]

it's only 0.51s

[placid portal]

Nice

[pliant prawn]

i can change both perks

[radiant chasm]

i'd adjust, but right now there is no need to even suggest not using all 3 swings with either psword

[placid portal]

Does it stay the same with elite perk over Carapace?

[pliant prawn]

im thinking maniac and unyielding for that gun i posted, yay/nay?

[agile vale]

whatchu mean the elite perk?

[placid portal]

The 10% DMG vs Elite

[radiant chasm]

use all your swings, then push/block/dodge as needed like a normal melee combat, reactivate

[fervent quiver]

The reactivate to push/block is fast

[agile vale]

I maaay not have the plasteel to swap it again

[fervent quiver]

That thing constantly saves

[radiant chasm]

yee

the buff so PC doesn't isntantly drop is huge

[placid portal]

Rip no worries

[radiant chasm]

absolute hated it being love tapped by a poxwalker and losing my charge

[placid portal]

will try on my end as well

[agile vale]

Lemme cronch some nombers

I do also have the perk that increases damage against monstrosites and ogryn

[fervent quiver]

Actual question: is it better dps to uncharge fire with the mk2 helbor

[placid portal]

Nah

Charged shots is 4 ammo

so it's Basically Kantrael mk12

[fervent quiver]

LOL

MY GREATEST UTIL

UTILITY

Is to shout, then stab the big boi to death

[agile vale]

it almost can kill the ogryn in 1 crit one standard

[fervent quiver]

with the pointy end of the mk2

[agile vale]

So it maaaay work with the 10 precent from elite

two full charge crits that is

[placid portal]

So all the time

Bc Lucius crits are super high

[fervent quiver]

only good thing is that it 3 taps reapers

[agile vale]

so my first crit does 2162 and the second does 1429 for the kill

[dusty ferry]

Scream in Espanol and kill

[fervent quiver]

I'm krieg

[agile vale]

I do have infernus mk 4 which kiiinda throws exact numbers off

[fervent quiver]

Screams in german and kill

[agile vale]

cause it does tick down some health

[dusty ferry]

Angry killing uwu

[placid portal]

Nah I prefer French Color pallete kriegers over german pallete

[grim thunder]

Do weapons have different base crit rates or smth? Or is it a 0% and the rest is additive ?

Just curious

[placid portal]

Apparently they do have innate crit + Class crit%

[agile vale]

it does oneshot reapers with this build which is hella nice

[grim thunder]

Hmm ok

[placid portal]

Yee MK3 not one shotting reapers means you're doing something wrong

[fervent quiver]

so we're talking about crit rate right?

it applies to the bayonet

[placid portal]

yep

[fervent quiver]

I'm casually critting with this stupid ass toy knife

for 200

to 400

on a crusher

amazing

[placid portal]

Onslaught do be like that

[grim thunder]

Ngl the power sword is very nice too

It deals considerable damage to armor when charged up too

[placid portal]

Powersword do be stronk

[fervent quiver]

you only charge it

[tall torrent]

Power sword is vet’s most lethal melee

[fervent quiver]

and then slash through shit

[grim thunder]

Yeah true

[placid portal]

Powersword do be cleavin

[tall torrent]

However power sword is also vet’s most risky melee

[placid portal]

Trust in Shovel

[grim thunder]

Yeah movement with it is

[agile vale]

Im noticing that after I dropped the 5 precent crit chance refinement I am critting a hell of alot less

[fervent quiver]

...it has risk?

[placid portal]

Zamn

[grim thunder]

Well your movement is considerably reduced

[agile vale]

it does two shot maulers to the head now with the carapace thing

[placid portal]

Ye

two shotting maulers is a peak Mk3 gaming

[marsh condor]

Imagine if Veterans get a halberd.

[placid portal]

[agile vale]

and with infernus it two bodies them

[placid portal]

What's even funnier is you also 2 shot maulers on body

[agile vale]

please

[fervent quiver]

I kinda just forgot about the speed reduction with the cs

[marsh condor]

I honestly wanted this.

I want to be MARKUS KRUBER in Warhammer 40K.

[agile vale]

I do but thats with Infernus after damage

[placid portal]

Bruh vet holding pistol flamer

[grim thunder]

I want something like a spear that also has alternate sweeping attacks

[idle carbon]

I wonder if you could class that polearm as a billhook
GW are british, and the english liked their bills back in the day

[grim thunder]

Would be dope

[sick marsh]

Anyone got the appearance of that first gun skin from the earliest steel legion cosmetic set.

[placid portal]

damn

[marsh condor]

They're all classified as either "Spears" or "Halberds" in Imperial categories.

[placid portal]

Polearms are nice

though not good in Hoarde fighting if you're outnumbered

[fervent quiver]

terrible

[placid portal]

Unless Greatsword

[idle carbon]

polearms categorization is very wide and weird
a billhook is technically a halberd

[placid portal]

Greatsword martial technique have large sweeps

[idle carbon]

just a specific variant that does the same thing

[grim thunder]

Depends on the type of polearm, if it’s something like a guandao or Bardiche it’s fine

[marsh condor]

We technically have a "greatsword", but not really.

[agile vale]

I mean two shotting them to the head is honestly better since they tend to be a head higher than horde chaff so works for meeee

[placid portal]

Eviscerator do be a beeg sword

[placid portal]

Cool that's good info

[marsh condor]

The first Power Sword's attacks do resemble the Vermintide Greatsword's moveset on a smaller scale.

[fervent quiver]

Greatsword... we're talking like comically oversized greatswords right?

[placid portal]

no

[marsh condor]

No.

[placid portal]

the thin bladed 2ms swords

[marsh condor]

We're talking about zweihanders and longswords.

[placid portal]

or the Spadonne

same thing but different name

[marsh condor]

They're not Dragonslayer-thicc.

[grim thunder]

Imagine a 2 handed power sword with a pommel strike as the charge up animation

[agile vale]

I kinda hope we get like a Halberd for vet it would be nice to have a longer range melee option

[placid portal]

also length different bc swords are tailored for the wielder

[marsh condor]

This.

[idle carbon]

I have a feeling that zealot will have the monopoly on all 2-handed weapons

unfortunately

[agile vale]

also the executioner greatblade that sisters of silence wield would be fucking amazing.

[placid portal]

Gotta love how there's sword but it's classified as a knife bc the tang is the whole handle length

[agile vale]

Psyker has 2 handed swords

[marsh condor]

Okay, those are a tad too much even for Inquisitors.

[grim thunder]

Then I wish we could get a gun+ melee combo at least

[agile vale]

gimme them

[placid portal]

It'd be funny if Psyker's force block catch bullets and on push attack you can launch it back

[marsh condor]

Streltsi-based Gunaxe

[agile vale]

remeber that an interigator had a crozius arcanum as a weapon

[fervent quiver]

I'm kinda thinking right now, bc giant sweeping motions are impractical

[agile vale]

a space marine crozius no less

[grim thunder]

Shotgun axe would be dope

[idle carbon]

no, psyker doesn't have 2h weapons currently
sure there's datamined or stuff from trailers, but, well, fatshark have already proven (many times) to be an unreliable narrator, so...

[placid portal]

That would be funny

[agile vale]

is it not a two handed swing?

[placid portal]

I would love to have Rannick's Revolver as a skin

Looks dope as heck

[agile vale]

yeeees

[marsh condor]

Yes, and the aforementioned Greatsword is for a unit that would've been "equal" to the Adeptus Custodes.

[idle carbon]

that's like saying the claw swords are 2h weapons because you use both hands for a heavy attack
practically every weapon does that

[marsh condor]

If I remember right, the Custodes and Sisters of Silence were meant to work together.

[agile vale]

But its possible to requisition that style of weapon, doesn't have to be spesifically a sister of silence pattern

[marsh condor]

True.

[grim thunder]

What actually determines whether damage goes through toughness or not?

[placid portal]

We'll only get more guns if Grendell gets more shipment of weapons

Waiting for Bigger weapons

[agile vale]

Yes they are, they are called the Talons of the Emperor and would work along one another, Sisters acting like an anti psykic bulwark and allowing the custodes to fight Daemons more effectively

[placid portal]

If you don't have 100% you'll chip HP from melee, unless snipers & dog

[marsh condor]

But in any case, I'm using the second Power Sword (the one with the stabby push attack) as a two-handed Broadsword (aka, mainly two-handed)

[placid portal]

But ranged will only eat toughness first

[agile vale]

I want a tech priest operator

[marsh condor]

Ah, thanks for the lore bit.

[grim thunder]

I sometimes take hp damage even with 150 toughness or more after voice if command

[idle carbon]

you take HP damage reduced by your what your overall % toughness was at the time of the hit

[agile vale]

gimme arc rifles and transuranic arquebuses

[idle carbon]

note that's PERCENT toughness, not flat toughness

[grim thunder]

Ah I see

Yeah makes sense

[sick marsh]

Is that new splinter camo steel legion set authentic at all or is it just made up?

[placid portal]

The extra toughness isn't iirc 110% boost

[agile vale]

No worries, Im not an expert by any means but I do love the Sisters of Silence, such a unique faction of themsevles

[idle carbon]

you shouldn't be able to take HP damage if you have toughness overheal from either source, for example

[grim thunder]

I probably was right around the breakpoint

[placid portal]

The extra toughness is now your new 100%

[marsh condor]

I mostly remember the Sisters through TTS.

[idle carbon]

note that corruption damage doesn't care about that rule though

[placid portal]

Or snipers

Unless you got max stacks of Sniper res + Ironwill

[marsh condor]

Back to the original topic: halberds.

[placid portal]

Maaaybe you'll live

[placid portal]

Love those polarms

Versatile

[idle carbon]

ah, but they do! if one single hit removes all your toughness, you take the overflow to HP damage

[marsh condor]

Which types of polearms first, though?

[idle carbon]

snipers just clap you hard lol

[placid portal]

tru

[grim thunder]

How exactly does the corruption stuff work again

[placid portal]

but -60% from curio + -50% toughness damage from iron will

[grim thunder]

Outside of grimoires

[placid portal]

that's like....

[marsh condor]

A proper halberd, a kind of glaive (like the one the Death World Veteran just now is holding), or-

[placid portal]

30% sniper damage

[grim thunder]

Id like a bardiche or smth

[ivory rock]

What's the move here? I have sustained fire 4 but I feel like I'd prefer to try n find surgical. Also maniacs or flak for perk?

[trim steppe]

with 20% sniper res, iron will, and the +100 overflow toughness from voice of command, you dont even take hp damage from 1 sniper hit

[marsh condor]

Find Surgical

[idle carbon]

I hate bardiches, they're an axe cosplaying badly as a halberd lol

[marsh condor]

And for Perks, uh...

[placid portal]

Corruption occurs when getting hit by Poxwalkers, Pox hounds, Beast's Bile & Vore, Pox Burster, and Chaos Spawn Eating you, +etc daemonhost & getting downed

Every wound Lost from corruption means you're one step closer to death and have Max HP penalties

[grim thunder]

It’s not that bad

[gaunt hinge]

its a mk2, put on onslaught

[marsh condor]

I just want a two-handed weapon for Veteran for once.

[placid portal]

Don't talk smack about bardiches

[brisk sapphire]

barely take any damage when i play vet

[placid portal]

It's a good stand for firearms for mercenaries

[marsh condor]

Speaking of Bardiches, did you know that the OG Streltsy- yes, that.

[gaunt hinge]

you swing the power sword with two hands when using heavies 🙂

[placid portal]

Legit mercs with guns use bardiches bc they are good for bracing muskets

[gaunt hinge]

most weapons actually

[marsh condor]

For both light and melee attacks.

[grim thunder]

Any type of melee weapon combined with a shotgun would be great

[marsh condor]

Yesh

[placid portal]

Fatshark should add blessing regarding bayonet attacks for Lucius

[marsh condor]

True that

[gusty thorn]

What's the best power sword mark?

[placid portal]

Both

Both are good

[marsh condor]

I'd say the first one for C L E A V E

[gusty thorn]

Goot to know, but which is best?

[placid portal]

mk3 do be simple

[idle carbon]

most people gravitate towards the mk6 because you can curb-stomp a crusher in 2 hits with one

[placid portal]

Have only cleaves