veteran-class

[astral blade]

yeah the perks are bad but the blessings make up for it at least

good with my invis build

[fickle wraith]

that sounds like its insane vs the fuckin whats it called

giant sludge

40% on the back and the weakspot is on the back

GYATTTTTT

[astral blade]

but does require me to be reckless and an ammo goblin

as stated earlier lol

[junior needle]

Just keep in mind that IAG's are, surprisingly, precision oriented guns and your performance will be much higher with more headshot consistency.

[fickle wraith]

another spit

in my face

[astral blade]

thank god i'm using it for CQB

fuck using melee

[tall torrent]

Still, aim headshots

[fickle wraith]

shouldnt finesse be higher?

[astral blade]

dont worry i'm not so silly as to not aim for headshots

[fickle wraith]

its not like my current weapon is bad

[serene sage]

Now that's the one

[fickle wraith]

i definitely prefer the aesthetic of ps

just gotta get some moolah

i just lucked out on that chainsword

its very solid so im happy with it

i ran that and my brauto

now im running that and helbore

[serene sage]

Do it with Bolter you coward

[fickle wraith]

i find it helps me with quickplay cuz a lot of ppl just ... dont really play around gunners

[astral blade]

those i have pissed off a few teammates with me being an ammo goblin

[fickle wraith]

bolter?

[gray belfry]

my cs has t3 savage sweep and t4 devastating. kind of funny but would like some more damage out of it

[serene sage]

Bolter gives me the confidence to fight anything

Because it is good against everything

[fickle wraith]

spearhead boltgun?

locke m2b?

[candid tundra]

what do you guys think I should do with this? replace between the eyes with deadshot, dumdum, etc? and what about the perks

[fickle wraith]

bolter=boltgun right?

im not missing anything? xd

WTF IS THIS GUN

AHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

I JUST GOT A GREY ONE TO SHOOT WITH IT

AHAHHAHAHAHA

HOLY SHIT

WHAT

THE FUCK

is it hitscan?

[keen sleet]

Varlet's first time with bolters

[gray belfry]

lol. lmao

[kind scarab]

^

Try the revolver

Dew it

[gray belfry]

revolver fucks. no other word for it

[keen sleet]

It's really good at damage but it's glacial in movement and reload

[edgy condor]

Is it just me or are power swords complete garbage without the power cycler blessing? This thing is the shittiest melee ever unless its a powered strike, otherwise it can't reliably one tap trash enemies on heavy headshots

[fickle wraith]

glacial is a good term?

[gray belfry]

you're slow as fuck boi

[keen sleet]

Glacial-speed, ice glacials

[fickle wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[fickle wraith]

i have no clue if that translates to good or bad

[kind scarab]

glacial, cold, slow

[fickle wraith]

okay cuzi was like

glacial = ice skating

KEK

[elder vessel]

yes.

[gray belfry]

its slow as all hell. i feel you gotta run at least 1 reload perk or it takes forgoddamn ever to reload. not to mention it takes like 5 years to bring out

[keen sleet]

If I wanted to say it was fast, I'd have said it's fast

[elder vessel]

But with PC it fucks indescribably brutally hard

[serene sage]

How did you never try the Bolter before wut

[fickle wraith]

i gotta say i dislike helbore's take out time

[gray belfry]

mind you with the amount of damage they pump out. its fine

[fickle wraith]

@serene sage im literally

new to the game

[edgy condor]

cool, thanks for the serious replies. I've yet to get one with power cycler yet so right now it feels rough. If I DO manage to get a good power sword with power cycler on it, is it then worth using over other melee options on veteran?

[serene sage]

Oh i thought you were new to vet o.o and played other classes

[gray belfry]

god same. my main gripe with mk3 helbore, minus the draw time is when you go for a followup shot and itl sometimes just.....not register youve clicked

[keen sleet]

This is my helbore, anything I should do like sustained fire for something else

[candid tundra]

anyone want to help me with this here?

[brisk umbra]

surgical

[fickle wraith]

onslaught

[gray belfry]

i got dumdum/infernus on mine atm

[fickle wraith]

nope, i only started last week

[gray belfry]

its a fine general one

[brisk umbra]

dumdum, and get probably maniac

[fickle wraith]

i just catch on fast ^^

[serene sage]

Nice!

[fickle wraith]

did hi intensity heresy and low intens damnation before i hit 30

now im just stuck being mediocre

https://tenor.com/view/never-give-up-never-back-down-never-what-gif-6446451341874387836

[gray belfry]

the eternal vet problem lmao

[candid tundra]

should I get maniac replacing stamina or crit dmg

prob crit dmg right

[brisk umbra]

you know what

probably crit damage

[candid tundra]

yeah

[brisk umbra]

since you're gonna play with deadshot

[candid tundra]

deadshot?

[brisk umbra]

that's what, 2-3 more shots

[candid tundra]

or dumdum

[brisk umbra]

ah sorry, i meant the vet skill

whatever the fuck that gives you 25% crit

[candid tundra]

oh the talent

I don't have a laspistol build yet

should I run deadshot on it then?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[candid tundra]

I see

well dumdum it is then

[fickle wraith]

@formal lake is bolter good for long range as well or?

[candid tundra]

thanks

[brisk umbra]

you want that anyway and get the ammo+weaksèot

after that, classic middle tree and whatever the fuck

[candid tundra]

what about shock trooper

should I run that too

[tall torrent]

Deadshot -> precision strikes + shock trooper

[candid tundra]

right

[serene sage]

Yeah, it does more damage actually. Reverse damage falloff

Though unlike Helbore where the damage maxes at 16m, Bolter maxes out at 40m

[fickle wraith]

ayoooo?

might just be on that bolt game?

[serene sage]

So the increase isn't that much at your popular engagement range

[fickle wraith]

blessings on this badboy?

and perks?

[serene sage]

Pinning Fire is almost a must

[fickle wraith]

40m means ill 1shot snipers so im happy

[serene sage]

And Surgical/Shattering Impact depending on your taste

[brisk umbra]

there are two builds, either surgical or brittle+power on stagger

[fickle wraith]

ait next stop is to farm power swords

then ill see

i also wanted to try the mg12

[serene sage]

The Bolter has really bad sway, especially under suppression

[brisk umbra]

and it's just a long range shitty sniper vs left click maniac on melee

[fickle wraith]

was told its a pretty great middle grounder

[brisk umbra]

Eh ish

There are much better weapons

[fickle wraith]

all i want is a weapon that is GOOD for quickplay

[humble sparrow]

It took me 2 weeks to get power cycler 4

Good luck

[shell widget]

What's a good melee to pair with the stub revolver?

[brisk umbra]

as Foxhope said, the sway lasts fucking hours too

[fickle wraith]

it took me 4 mins

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kek-bttv-twitch-emote-gif-15123134

[brisk umbra]

any you like

[gray belfry]

'laughs in 2 hours'

[humble sparrow]

Burn in the fires of the sun

[gray belfry]

wait not even 2 hours

[fickle wraith]

[laughs in 4 mins]

[gray belfry]

i got it on the second sword when i bought 2 of them

[edgy condor]

I really hope rng is kind to me in hunting for power cycler 4

[fickle wraith]

it just took me 3 mins to think about buying it or not

[shell widget]

Fair, but I just started playing vet like 2 hours ago so idk what all the melee weapons are yet lol

[gray belfry]

just took 2 hours to get the plasteel to finish it

[fickle wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kek-bttv-twitch-emote-gif-15123134

[brisk umbra]

Revolver has the plus size that you get it out instant and it oneshots pretty much any special/elite, so you can really run whatever

[humble sparrow]

“Well time to roll for the blessing”

proceeds to give me 100 shit rolls

[brisk umbra]

So generally speaking for Vet, for Power Swords you REALLY do want Power Cycler 4

[lone yoke]

Should I swap falter for onslaught?

[humble sparrow]

Its a must

[gray belfry]

its night and day with it

[brisk umbra]

100% or the weapon feels shit

[serene sage]

If you want to try Bolter please try it with Deadshot and Suppression Immunity first. Otherwise you'll hate the thing

[brisk umbra]

Oh i agree with you both

[shell widget]

Does that one shot capability keep up in the higher difficulties? I'm grinding malice so not sure how long that will last

[brisk umbra]

Played a LONG time with cycler 3 because the fucking 4 didn't want to come out

[gray belfry]

supression immunity my beloved. ive gotten so used to it i cant play other classes/perks

[brisk umbra]

Oh, always.

[brisk umbra]

Revolver is utterly busted.

It's a piece of shit to roll

just warning you now

[shell widget]

...i fell for the meta weapon didn't I.

[brisk umbra]

you not only need 3 good stats+good reload, you need 2 (and only two) good bless too

[gray belfry]

who cares, you fire the thign and then meta falls out the window for how it makes the funny dopamine chemical happen

[brisk umbra]

It's just a really fun weapon to use, being able to shit on specials is always nice

[shell widget]

True, true.

[serene sage]

Or just play a weapon that you really like

[brisk umbra]

Mostly it's what makes you win auric games, being able to completely stomps specials

[serene sage]

I've been running Bolter since forever

[gray belfry]

its hwy i like the shovel, and was glad when the buffs made it viable

[serene sage]

Great gun

[humble sparrow]

Revolver earned me the cool helmet

[shell widget]

Tbh I'm not a fan of a lot of vet's weapons so far. Unless something crazy happens by Lvl 18 I might stay with revolver

[gray belfry]

my old fave loadout was knife/revolver

[shell widget]

Too used to ogryn energy weaponry that bowls over everything I hit

[humble sparrow]

You should try the stealth autogun build

[serene sage]

Can revolver one tap ragers without crit?

[brisk umbra]

Vet is in a strange spot atm for weapons

[gray belfry]

speaking of revolvers, whats the blessings you want on it

[brisk umbra]

Revolver, Lasgpistol and Plasma are all great and ammo efficient

then you have the various Braced and IAG that are good but they kirby the ammo

then there's some garbage

then there's the shotguns

and then there's the Kantrael Shotgun

[brisk umbra]

Surgical+Rending on crit

that and only that

[gray belfry]

agri shotgun my beloved. love seeing a sniper 50m away and going 'nice long ragne specialty weapond umbass dodge this slug'

[autumn perch]

VETERAN HELP

[brisk umbra]

the problem is always the same, you need to take them out (slowish), you need to load the bullet (slow) and then aim+shoot, plus i don't even remember if the special has good penetration (i would guess it does)

when a lot of other weapons just instantly shoot

[gray belfry]

true. i grabbed it just to have options and when i wanna fuck about. ive brought it along for damnation/auric maelstroms and havent had issues

[brisk umbra]

I mean, my suggestions are always about quickplay

[idle carbon]

think this plasma can be made to work?

[brisk umbra]

where 75% of the people are just utter trash

Any plasma works

[gray belfry]

god aint that a mood

[brisk umbra]

Just change the perks

the blessings are nice but honestly useless

[brisk umbra]

like when i was testing the Kantrael Shotgun (sweet jesus, delete this weapon), i still won some games, but it was clear that other people carried me and not that trash pile of garbage

[opaque plover]

Anyone here can help with a penance?

[brisk umbra]

ask in the lfg chat

[opaque plover]

Ty!

[gray belfry]

my curse is whenever i run close range weapons, so does the rest of the team

its why i went slug shotguns just so i had the damn option to bean a sniper

[brisk umbra]

I mean that's generally why i hate running Ogryn

fucking half the games are lost when a sniper spawns and NOBODY FUCKING SHOOTS IT

and i'm there trying to hit it with the rumbler in the middle of a horde

[quaint fern]

you dont want laser on your forehead?

[gray belfry]

thats when you assert your dominance and throw a rock at them

[hollow turtle]

Desperate times call for desperate measures. Throw the Ogryn frag at them.

[sharp ember]

#🐦tweets-sermons we GOTTA save wormwood

[humble sparrow]

I had a damnation game where a chaos spawn, horde, and sniper spawned. I couldn’t get to the sniper because the chaos spawn would grab and throw me and the rest of the team either spedran dying or were too incompetent to take the time to pop the sniper

[wheat rivet]

Bleed knife

What should i be looking for

[strange grove]

Zealot chat

[hollow turtle]

Bleed stacks on melee hit

[vast flame]

Flesh tearer and bloodletter i think is what its called

[sharp ember]

I had a good time using the melee bleed talent, and taking Mercy Killer + Uncanny Strike on knife

not saying its meta tho

[hollow turtle]

Or was it lacerate?

[vast flame]

i know one just applies a fuckton of bleed

one does bleed on non-weakspots

[hollow turtle]

I know there's also one that has increased damage on weakspot hit of bleeding enemies

[vast flame]

and mercy killer does extra damage on bleeding weak spots

[wheat rivet]

so mercy killer plus bleed on crit and that vet right side bleed talent

[hollow turtle]

Funny enough, if you get the bleed melee talent point, just combine it with rending strike and mercy killer.

[vast flame]

and can i just say, the fuckin Graia MK VIII with raking fire and infiltrate. chefs kiss

[hollow turtle]

You'll get high rending+weakspot damage.

[wheat rivet]

Is this what will let me kill crushers easily

[hollow turtle]

That's what I've had.

3-4 heavy hits to the head.

Maybe not even heavy hit.

[vast flame]

zealot can one shot crushers with the stealth it has

[wheat rivet]

and what about everyone else

[hollow turtle]

Just hit them a few times with lights and then one heavy.

Also works on maulers really well.

[vast flame]

lights can build up bleeds alot

[wheat rivet]

does it have a high crit chance like a laspistol

[hollow turtle]

Lol yes

[wheat rivet]

interestinf

[vast flame]

is the pope catholic?

[crimson sparrow]

Is Jesus?

[wheat rivet]

No hes pedestrian

[hollow turtle]

Is Alpharius?

[vast flame]

im sparticus

[crimson sparrow]

Yesnt

[hollow turtle]

Is Ollanius Pius?

[vast flame]

is Ciaphus Cain the hero of the imperium?

[hollow turtle]

Is Cato Sicarius the greatest swordsman?

[vast flame]

canst thou cast fist?!?

[hollow turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-warhammer-fisting-40k-gif-18088487

[umbral scaffold]

this game would do a lot better if ammo pickups were distributed to teammates if one teammate didnt need all the ammo

[serene sage]

Is Leandros the biggest bitch ever?

[gentle maple]

What's this?

Refresh icon in bottom right

[fickle wraith]

is the vraks mk3 headhunter any good?

[umbral scaffold]

so for example if you have a revolver with 50 shots left, an ammo tin refills up to 8 shots for the revolver. So there'd be 6 excess rounds. 6/8th of that would be distributed to the team as evenly as possible

[serene sage]

Yeah pretty good if you like 3 burst rifles

[fickle wraith]

p sure its from nvidia shadowplay

[serene sage]

Otherwise the vraks7 i think is more popular now

[shell widget]

Dontcha know, Kickback is all the rage these days

[gentle maple]

ah instant replay is on for some reason. thanks

[brisk umbra]

don't let me do brauto again, trying to shoot snipers and crying

[fickle wraith]

yall rate the drip

[shell widget]

As a Kickback enthusiast myself, usually they die at all ranges if you've got them centered in ADS

[fickle wraith]

the gun clips out at the hand 💀

[shell widget]

Granted you need to stare down the sniper to do this

[astral blade]

taking chunks out of this bloody plague ogryn

[reef cedar]

LETS GOOOO

Mommy Hadron loves me

[sharp ember]

k i l l

[astral blade]

seriously what y'all think?

[fickle wraith]

GYAT

mines close to that

its a feelsgood

[reef cedar]

FEELS SO GOOD

[fickle wraith]

just sucks when shit is at like 40meter range

._.

and u just hit them and they fall to the ground

[astral blade]

no one else find it funny that i was taking chunks off that plague ogryn HP?

[gray belfry]

its the graia one that has higher accuracy after 10 shots right?

[pulsar drift]

Emm there are so many vets now

Just got a game with 3 vets

Never seen such since patch 13

[oak lion]

upgraded Ammo crate came in clutch after all of my teammates died (i died to 8 ragers spawning behind me without sound afterwards)

[spare mountain]

my time has come...

[fathom delta]

Question: does anyone have an RP talent build revolving around the Infantry Lasgun and a Combat Knife or Shovel? Something that your average Guardsman would have?

[sharp ember]

i have something like that for when I use my MG1a, one sec

[pine snow]

why can't i change my blessings?

did i done a stupid

[sharp ember]

yes, you used all 2 of your modifications already on perks

[flint garden]

you changed both the perks

[pine snow]

oh i see

[golden axle]

you can change 2 things of the 4, the non effecteds lock

[pine snow]

welp rip

[golden axle]

its an arbitrary and absurd system that supposedly encourages player retention

[pine snow]

sigh... are the two blessings i have alright then i guess

i was wanting to do gets hot/blaze away but ya know

[golden axle]

gets hot is great but volatile sadly is currently bugged/doesnt work right. It actually reduces your overall damage.

[pine snow]

mf

AAAAGHHHH

[junior needle]

It wasn't the best rolled pasma gun anyway, damage/stopping power are extremely important for breakpoints on plasma

[hollow turtle]

Quick. 9 minutes left. Is this worth it from Melk?

[pine snow]

time to start splurging on plasma guns

[sharp ember]

I put am emphasis on krak grenades to have anti-armor

[golden axle]

youd be replacing volatile and sprint efficiency soooooooo depends what other blessings you have available for it

[spare mountain]

Is volatile bad?

[sharp ember]

my stopping power could be better, but it doesn't screw me over

[pine snow]

is this one worth i nvesting in or nah it came as a random drop

[fathom delta]

I'm interested in why you went VoC over E.S.

[spare mountain]

this is what I'm currently working with

[golden axle]

its bugged/doesnt work right, something about reducing damage output. Ctrl+F/search volatile in here for the disucsion around it

[hollow turtle]

Get's hot at Tier IV

[frank basin]

question again, did recon got nerf? like the crits

[spare mountain]

fucking FS.... omg

[hollow turtle]

Got everything else for Tier III

[golden axle]

crit strings massively shadow nerfed yes

[frank basin]

well then the shocktrooper not good anymore

[golden axle]

far less effective yes

[sharp ember]

I can handle most shooters without exe stance vision, and VoC helps a lot more when stuck in melee with your team, I often use it aggressively to stagger specials before they do anything

[fathom delta]

I'm still doing just fine with it

[sharp ember]

it's mainly preference though

[hollow turtle]

Is the one on the left worth it?

[fathom delta]

I can see that.

It's much more a Sgt or Leadership ability but I find myself forgetting to use ES anyway so thats a solid reason to use VoC anyway

[golden axle]

VoC is just so solidly consistent and good

[frank basin]

damn even exploit weakness nerfed

no longer ranged now melee

[lament elm]

Please understand

[sharp ember]

exploit weakness didn't deserve to be locked to melee only

[lament elm]

Veteran needed these nerfs

[distant mist]

I really like the melee skill tree for vet.

[frank basin]

ill wait when veteran get some keystone

[distant mist]

And the stealth skill.

[golden axle]

Soon ™️

[lament elm]

Veteran is not allowed to have any good talents that close to the top of the tree lol

[frank basin]

lot tryhard want nerf they love be masochist

[valid apex]

Need that blaze away

[frank basin]

so called fun being weakess class all 3 other

[valid apex]

Lucky fuck!

[lament elm]

It is kinda funny that vet is given the current version of shout and is still somehow not utterly broken

[valid apex]

xD

[lament elm]

Shows how god awful the veteran tree is

[frank basin]

so did they shadow nerf survivalist?

[lament elm]

Wdym

[frank basin]

i gain like 8 ammo on recon vii

[fickle wraith]

Gonna farm for a mk6 to replace my chainyboi

[frank basin]

i remember i get like 23-36 ammo on recon

per specialist

now is 8

[frank basin]

are you intent wanted fs remove veteran class?

[edgy condor]

damage perks for a power sword?

[hollow turtle]

People say we're nerfed but.. I feel like I do my role pretty efficiently even with a melee build. And even if I don't stand out on scoreboard, it shows when you're the last one standing but picking people up in Infil or using VoC when everyone else goes down.

[kind scarab]

Whichever one of you infected me with nurgles plague last friday. I'm going to shove you into a room filled with only trappers.

[glacial garnet]

can i make my veterans accent German?

[sharp ember]

no kriegers

[glacial garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/freak-out-promagma-flipanim-chriddof-scared-gif-16701284

[glacial garnet]

HERETIC

[umbral scaffold]

how can I fix this sword?

[sharp ember]

CADIA STANDS

[hollow turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer40k-vraks-siege-of-vraks-death-korps-gif-20931228

[frank basin]

looks good roll

[tame lichen]

I finally get Cycler 4 after months for this dude to have it in the shop the next day ...

[umbral scaffold]

but what do I change on it to optimize it

[tame lichen]

[frank basin]

try cycler on rampage

[umbral scaffold]

so I should keep slaughterer instead of rampage?

[sharp ember]

A) keep perks, change one blessing to Power Cycler 4 (either is good)
B) change one blessing to Power cycler 4, change Unyielding to another favored enemy type

[kind scarab]

^

I'd honestly say keep both perks, and switch out the blessings

[pine snow]

what should i change my perks to

[sharp ember]

it's a good sword all things considered

[kind scarab]

For futureproofing sake

[sharp ember]

Unarmored to Flak, keep Unyielding so you can lightsaber bulwarks and bosses

[pulsar idol]

i like guns

[umbral scaffold]

what should I switch the blessings to in your opinion then

[hardy ember]

will hot shot lasguns and those belt fed stubbas be available for veterans soon seeing as enemies are using them?

[umbral scaffold]

power cycler and what?

[crude stirrup]

found a decent Vraks VII after never using it seriously and this thing slaps

[kind scarab]

Powercycler and keep either rampage or slaughterer

[sharp ember]

Slaughterer, Rampage, and Brutal Momentum are all being hailed as good right now

[kind scarab]

But the point is that you'd get to switch out rampage/slaughter for whatever is best in the next update

From what I've been told by Az

Id go Cycler + Brutal rn

[tame lichen]

This is a dumb question, when you earn blessings does it stay in rebless infinitely ?

[golden axle]

I have little knowledge of the AGs. Is the Columnus Brauto any good or is just the Agri if you want to use Brautos?

[kind scarab]

Yes

[golden axle]

yes

[kind scarab]

Yes to Colum

[tame lichen]

200+ hours and just learned this today

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-26826812

[golden axle]

yes Colmnus Brauto performs well?

[kind scarab]

Yeap

[golden axle]

havent touched them in many many patches

[glacial garnet]

what are some shitpost german names that i can use?

[hollow turtle]

Kill Me!

[kind scarab]

OHHHH

[next estuary]

fresh 30 and this is the first thing in my melks. are braced auto guns good? i really wanna play plasma but if this thing is kinda good to go off the jump im down to play whatever

[kind scarab]

I just made the connection for why I'm enjoying the current PS I'm using

[tame lichen]

Heretic identified

[glacial garnet]

NUR DER TOD IM KAMPF IST EHRLICH, KEHREN SIE JETZT ZURÜCK AN DIE FRONT

[kind scarab]

Fucking Brutal was making the PS3 much more bearable than normal

I had kinda forgotten I had that on there

[umbral scaffold]

I could put brutal 4 on this sword

but I only have cycler

3

[kind scarab]

You really ought to work on getting cycler 4

It's a world of a difference

[umbral scaffold]

yeah im new though and starved for both cash and plasteel

[kind scarab]

Perfect excuse to slay more heretics

[junior needle]

Brautos are good but graia seems to be the underperformer of the bunch still. Agri is great, columnus seems to be fine.

As for that, it has alright stats, but 3/4 perks/blessings are scuffed

[gray belfry]

im 260 hours in and starved for cash and plasteel. thats the default setting

[junior needle]

You want flak/maniac and fire frenzy/deathspitter ideally last I checked.

[next estuary]

ty, ill stay away then. i want to play plasma anyway

or recon lasgun but i hear those are bad now

[kind scarab]

They're super ammo hungry now

But they still slap

[umbral scaffold]

should I go gunner resistance or something else on my curios

[kind scarab]

Slap onto your curios you're more desperate for more of

[junior needle]

The ammo situation on them was improved this patch, wasn't it?

[kind scarab]

In my case, that was revive speed, ult cooldown and corruption resistance

[next estuary]

other way around, it was gutted this patch

no more infinite ammo recon lasguns

[kind scarab]

On recons? Nah

[junior needle]

Talking about brautos, not recons

[next estuary]

oh whoops

[junior needle]

Recons did indeed get gutted, but they also never had "infinite ammo" like the hb3 with surgical can.

Multiple undocumented nerfs, which even affected the 2 bad ones

[next estuary]

[umbral scaffold]

do you guys have any good revolver builds for casual damnation farming

[junior needle]

If we're talking about recons then 2/3 are gigashit and even worse than last patch. Even the ones that weren't directly nerfed.

[gray belfry]

well, melk finally sold somethign i could use 'hellbore with t4 onslaught' now what do i do

[burnt brook]

Veteran class is trash ZEALOT FOR LIFE

[junior needle]

6d is low tier due to ammo chugging and having unimpressive damage for it.

On top of needing talent taxes

[thorn lark]

surgical, hand cannon

[umbral scaffold]

I mean talents

I already have a hc and surgical revolver

[thorn lark]

i use it with a melee vet

[umbral scaffold]

do you go infiltrator or voice? which grenade?

[sharp epoch]

zelot is melee vet bro

[thorn lark]

krak + infil

[kind scarab]

I can slap together a couple of setups for you with any of the ults, if you want one-shot revolver setups

Just tell me what's your standard playstyle

[umbral scaffold]

I beat shit up and die

[kind scarab]

So melee with hint of revolver

[umbral scaffold]

I guess so

[kind scarab]

What ult do you prefer?

[umbral scaffold]

I would probably prefer just sniping with the revolver but the damn things always come close

I don't know. whatever keeps me alive

[tame lichen]

swap groaners to flak? or nah

[thorn lark]

i play all the classes... so if i want to do ninja vet or support zealot...

[kind scarab]

Also, what melee weapon?

[umbral scaffold]

I'm going to use the PS6 I showed off

it's my best melee so far

[kind scarab]

Aight, so you don't even need to go deep into melee tree then

[junior needle]

Groaners to flak is good

[kind scarab]

That shit slaps as is

What ult do you wanna use?

[thorn lark]

finesse is quite low

[tame lichen]

true

[umbral scaffold]

which do you think is better? I'm new to damnation so choose something that will be generally useful

[junior needle]

Keep in mind it also affects attack speed on melee weapons

[kind scarab]

All of them are useful for different situations

[tame lichen]

Im find with power swings tho even if no bonus damage

[kind scarab]

You can Ex stance and be able to see all problems from far away and snipe them with the revolver.

You can go VoC picking people up and topping up toughness at drop of the hat to be extra safe.

You can go Infil and do objectives while hidden and pick up stray bozos

[thorn lark]

i would go rampage pc4 on a 3 and pc4 bm4 on a 6 tbh

[kind scarab]

All are viable in damnation, just depends on your playstyle.

[thorn lark]

and go heavy spamming with the 3

[kind scarab]

I prefer ex stance myself, so I can just see where all the enemies are and kill everything before anyone else gets a chance to kill stuff

[tame lichen]

the one I posted if jus for test tbh

I have another ps3 with that same setup

[umbral scaffold]

I could try that then

[kind scarab]

Show me a pic of your revolver so I can double check breakpoints

[safe flower]

Week 3, I finally got decimator 4 from melk

Now it's finally the nut shovel

[kind scarab]

You only need Maniacs if you plan on 1HK'ing Mutties with a headshot

[umbral scaffold]

ok.. what do I change it to?

[kind scarab]

I'd suggest Cara since it covers more target types + Lets you oneshot crushers, which you tend to get more of

And maulers

[umbral scaffold]

alright I'll do that next time I have plasteel

[tame lichen]

plasteel debt

[jolly jacinth]

Should I change the Blessing?

[kind scarab]

What grenade do you like using the most?

I would suggest running kraks with the revolver to delete bulwarks personally. Since you can't shoot through their shields

Alternatively

You can shoot them once in each asscheek to kill them.

[umbral scaffold]

I'm good with whatever but I usually struggle with mixed hordes the most when there's trappers and dogs mixed in and they're all pounding my ass

[kind scarab]

With Ex stance and revolver cleave, you can just shoot those guys through the horde. So you should be good.

[umbral scaffold]

alright

[thorn lark]

this what i use on t5 from regular to mael

[jolly jacinth]

@kind scarab what do you think about my lasgun?

[umbral scaffold]

interesting

[thorn lark]

it suits my style of play

[kind scarab]

This is the absolute minimum required stuff

[thorn lark]

but i would recommend going for confirmd kill as well for added survivability

[kind scarab]

Which will leave you with 10 points to get whatever you personally like to use

[umbral scaffold]

looks good, so from there I just grab the other stuff I want after that

[kind scarab]

Pretty much

[nimble sentinel]

anyone else sad that they can't get recon las to work post patch 14?

[kind scarab]

I can get it working fine it just eats ammo

[nimble sentinel]

I get more ammo efficiency and dps in an untraited plasma gun than recon las and built for ammo preservation

[kind scarab]

This is what I personally would spend the 10 extra points on

[umbral scaffold]

yeah I was thinking on the same lines

[kind scarab]

Top two points on the left are for reload speed, it's pretty much always active after killing something

Grenade upgrade gives you a sneaky undocumented buff (stun immunity)

Bottom nodes in the middle tree for obvious survivability

[umbral scaffold]

sounds good. I'll go try this out

[kind scarab]

GL

Ex stance won't be needed for killing anything

[halcyon zephyr]

based psyker carried this match

[kind scarab]

But will let you reach 1shot breakpoints on crusher/maulers

So really, just use as you see fit

Shit comes back almost immediately anyway

[untold mulch]

I need to make a decent plasma gun

[kind scarab]

What on earth happened there

Those two other guys did practically nothing

[umbral scaffold]

I like the sound of the outline highlight because ÖI have based eyesight

[untold mulch]

Pug experience

[halcyon zephyr]

the other vet was walking apparently, shooting his gun into any pox walker around, and consistently 3 rooms behind

[kind scarab]

Yeah, definitely the pug experience

Soloq my love

[thorn lark]

that is like my other revolver build, so yeah i would do probably the same

[kind scarab]

Should totally practice your timing with ex stance in the meat grinder

[cunning wing]

Hola friends. First weapon when i reached 30

Does it sucks mucho or poquito?

[kind scarab]

You need to replace super charger with power cycler

[gray belfry]

had a damnation earlier, lvl 20 psyker fucks off to other side of the map at the last stretch, gets downed, i liek a fool decide to try rez with no nades or shout, i get downed from trapper and flamer combo

[kind scarab]

and crit chance with say, flak

And it'll be aight

[cunning wing]

Ok ok, ill try to farm power cycler.

[thorn lark]

good luck

[kind scarab]

GL bud and congratz on semi-decent PS

[untold mulch]

See ya in 39k years

[elder vessel]

POWER CYCLER MY BELOVED

[gray belfry]

not a bad one at all minus the PC

[cunning wing]

Also anyone could point me to a good video or guide to learn the cancel animation so i dont look like a 70 year old trying to swing?

ty

[gray belfry]

itl take either 5 minutes or 2 weeks of checking melk/plasteel farming

[cunning wing]

Damn haha

[gray belfry]

i got insanely lucky when i was levelling 2 grey swords i had, and it was on the second one

[cunning wing]

The proper way is just to spam swords to Blue, right?

Or is the 370 has greater chances myth true?

[spare mountain]

the little laspistol that could(kinda)

[gray belfry]

the 2 i had were 377 and 363. guess which one it dropped on

[balmy flume]

listens to tweet
Oh so we get an honest to Throne rescue mission soon?

[cunning wing]

377 ?

[fallen fiber]

What is the best weapon combo for leveling? Like, most OP shit before you get talent points.

[gray belfry]

[cunning wing]

Oh well...

[gray belfry]

the 363 got me both t4 PC and t4 rampage

[cunning wing]

well not bad

[thorn lark]

i had it on a 303

[gray belfry]

[viscid marlin]

I finally got a 380 MK3 helbore, thank the lawd it has good roles

[thorn lark]

cancel what?

[cunning wing]

Cancel animations

[gray belfry]

is it a mk 3 or a mk 6

[cunning wing]

or combos?

idk

6

[viscid marlin]

animation for what specifically though

[cunning wing]

I normally pepega Clap Empowered Light for Horde

[gray belfry]

just charge/3 lights for hordes and charge/push attack/light for something you wanna hit with an overhead. just dont whiff the stab

[cunning wing]

and empower Heavy for armored/crushers

[halcyon zephyr]

The gauntlet - used all his ammo and didn't run once. I did all vents and buttons.
the library - no situational awareness.
the circular area - died quickly because he refused to leave the dark corner at the start of the area and just let himself get swarmed. We literally cleared it, yelled at him in voice to move, then watched him stand there stubbornly. res him right next to the airlock, he runs 2 rooms away and stands in a corner shooting all his ammo at respawning enemies. Gets swarmed, drops a medkit for himself.
the stairs - died, because we moved to the stairs and he just turned around from the airlock and shot the door next to it. Demon host was triggered by the other pskyer, who died. Then the demon moved to the good pskyer who tanked it down three flights of stairs until the vet finally died and that triggered the demon to leave.
the second part of the stairs - after being ressed, stood by the res point shooting his whole ammo reserve into infinitely respawning pox walkers while the rest of us pushed all the way to the bottom, then turned around and pushed back up to pull his dumb-ass to the final area. he stood at the far end of the bridge before the final airlock shooting all his ammo at poxwalkers. Walks into airlock eventually, past ammo and grenades. He's at 0/0 at this point.
Final area - only good psyker followed servo skull. He didn't listen when I told him not to go back for the vet who predictably died at the start, and the other psyker who predictably tried to save him and died as well.
I did the entire scan, triggered final event, then went to save them. Told them to stay by the exit and pinged it, went back for the scroll, turned around and vet is behind me standing by the medicade shooting all his ammo and not moving towards exit.

[fallen fiber]

I've been using the Graia MK VIII but I don't really like it.

I am only level 7 and don't have many choices.

[cunning wing]

oh a push attack, didnt know it was going to get empowered

nice ill try that ty

[gray belfry]

the stab deals decent damage, saw someone post a vid here getting a crusher 2 hit with it and the followup light overhead

and the stab 1 shotting a bulwark

[kind scarab]

You poor man

[hollow turtle]

Don't make fun of the poor. Lol.

[thorn lark]

https://youtu.be/ggcSlbYWTn4?si=zm8-51sgHu1Uds7M

[halcyon zephyr]

it was like dragging a kicking kid on dial-up internet (he was using voice but sounded about 4bit audio

[thorn lark]

i two tap a crusher with a pc6 bm pc4 and 30 wp dmg

[junior needle]

They got multiple large undocumented nerfs. The shocktrooper talent got gutted for them, as it seems to only apply to the first crit of a string. Also their crit strings were reduced to 2 across the board, from 3/4/5 depending on fire rate.

So it was a line wide nerf to have worse ammo efficiency, less dps, and considerably less value from crit chance and infernus. The 6d (the only one that was performing well last patch) also got sizable nerfs to its damage modifiers, and rending (necessary for the gun) was both nerfed and made more inaccessible on the tree.

The 2 and 7a were dogshit-bad last patch, and this patch they're even worse. 2 got a slight baseline buff that was certainly canceled out by all the other changes. The 2 gets about 500 gray/talentless dps to unyielding at close range (its best range) for an example of how badly these guns perform.

[fallen fiber]

How do you look at end of match stats like that? I haven't been able to find where you do that.

[thorn lark]

but you really need pc4 to be acive during all the chain

[nimble hazel]

It's a mod. Iunno if we're allowed to link 'em, but you can just look up "Darktide Scoreboard mod" and it'll likely be the first result.

[fallen fiber]

And it works with the online version of the game?

[nimble hazel]

Yup

[halcyon zephyr]

you can download a toxic mod for scoreboard that shouldn't ever be taken seriously or be used to be toxic towards others ingame.
There's quite a few great Quality of Life mods on nexusmods

Literally can't recommend the game to anyone without some of them

[fallen fiber]

I just wanna see my own stats really.

Gotta see if i am helping or not

I like playing support classes

[junior needle]

Mods are officially sanctioned by obesefish before being put out

[fallen fiber]

I am trying to level up a Veteran cause I want to go down the support tree

[nimble hazel]

It won't show fun things like Toughness Restored if that's the kinda thinig you're looking for

[nimble hazel]

NGL I'm not sure I buy that, but I trust you know what you're on about.

[agile finch]

are brautos worth using over infantry for vet?

[halcyon zephyr]

yes very much so

[fallen fiber]

But I HATE leveling the veteran up.

[junior needle]

You can go to the modding discord and ask for yourself. They have a guy from fatshark who was working with them on making mods to begin with.

[halcyon zephyr]

don't ever use the ADS on a brauto -> just dodge around and be momentum incarnate

[fallen fiber]

I am not good at shooting stuff

I like to blast things with a surge staff

cause I dont have a aim

[agile finch]

which variant for vet?

[viscid marlin]

They said mods were ok as long as they are client side and dont terribly break things. Like the weapon customization mod they specifically pointed out as just being fine.

[thorn lark]

use plasma

[nimble hazel]

I'm gonna just take your word for it, but that is good to know.

[edgy condor]

bruh, wanting a scoreboard is not innately toxic. It's only toxic if you actively go out of your way to bully others you play with for their subpar performance. Wanting a scoreboard to see how you yourself are doing, and see how you measure up compared to others, is not toxic at all. Thinking that scoreboards directly equate to toxicity is that kind of "everyone is a winner and gets a participation trophy!" kind of garbage that got fatshark to not include a scoreboard for darktide in the first place.

[halcyon zephyr]

I call it toxic because it's a meme, I've been running it since the day it was dropped and literally was toxic above about poor performance in my lobby

[edgy condor]

forgive me, i'm a very literal person and that concept that you were being sarcastic completely flew over my head. Carry on, and ignore my dumbass

[viscid marlin]

I mean i don't need a scoreboard to be toxic, i can just look at the level 18 in my damnation that went down 30+ times and already know what's up.

[agile finch]

real

[gritty mirage]

30 times in one mission is pretty impressive in itself

[edgy condor]

Honestly, being lvl 18 in a damnation is itself the toxic action

[junior needle]

The game already shows you when there's pre-30's in your hi5 stg game too

[viscid marlin]

the truth

[halcyon zephyr]

If you've ever used an AK in counterstrike, it's basically that.
Agripinaa Mk VIII is the best imo, and can shred through anything save crushers.
Just don't ADS, go for high stability/damage/stopping power, Deathspitter and Frenzy Fire (swap one or the other for hit & run if you're not confident about absolutely killing everything before it has a chance to hit you).

[viscid marlin]

don't.. ads?

[halcyon zephyr]

on a brauto?

[viscid marlin]

maybe that's why i didnt like them

[halcyon zephyr]

Yea, it took someone telling me to never right click on the weapon for me to actually like it. Before that, I made an absolute ass of myself here talking shit about brautos because I kept trying to ADS

[junior needle]

It used to be that hipfiring gave you great midrange accuracy in short bursts on the agri brauto, and bracing would make it worse

Not sure if they adjusted that

[viscid marlin]

So they actually make the gun WORSE if you ads?

wtf?

[halcyon zephyr]

it's the massive loss in mobility that really hurts it.

[plush kernel]

thoughts on this?

heard the ia is strong now

but low stability seems kinda eh

[viscid marlin]

that stability is kinda low and you need some stability but rip that deadly accurate T4 off and put it on a better base and you are good to go with HH on

[halcyon zephyr]

loss in mobility and the time it takes to both brace and unbrace can really fuck you over.

[viscid marlin]

oh, yeah i didnt like that part either

fair

[junior needle]

I've played with a max stability 1a, it's still bouncy as fuck even with that. Just keep in mind that the 1a and 4 are better for non-precision focused playstyles, and the k12 is still king for one shot headshots.

[viscid marlin]

i mean

my Ia also one shot headshots

just 1/3rd faster between headshots

once you get used to it its not bad

but i also use deadshot

so maybe thats part of it

[tall torrent]

It 1 taps gunner headshots?

[viscid marlin]

yee

[tall torrent]

Nice

[plush kernel]

the xii is probably still going to be my goto for infantry las

[viscid marlin]

its only 20 less damage then the 12, just faster

[plush kernel]

i just haven't used infantry lasguns in a while

[halcyon zephyr]

show us yours

[halcyon zephyr]

same. Only time for me is if I'm doing lights-out

[junior needle]

Didn't say it can't, just that the k12 is better for it. k12 has the widest range of possible one shots due to being the highest single shot damage variant.

[plush kernel]

i switched to the hellbore a long time ago

[viscid marlin]

im not at my pc atm but its a 78% damage role with high 60 stab and 70's ammo with bad stopping power i think

[plush kernel]

before the initial buffs

then i went to try the hh autos

i need to look for a nice base stat xii again though

[viscid marlin]

Fair, i just like being able to swap and fire off more targets. they are both fine in the end

[halcyon zephyr]

I haven't used this since I was enlighted to the brauto's power, but it was my absolute favorite.

[harsh merlin]

try the other two variants, they are really good

[viscid marlin]

ghost and between the eyes on the same one?

[halcyon zephyr]

haven't used it in ages

If I ever work up the currency to drop 500k on brunt's I'd love to know what blessings to actually put on it

I'm like, set otherwise lol

[viscid marlin]

daaaaamn

thats a nice one

[plush kernel]

i've been thinking of trying out the infantry autos

i found a really nice base stat columnus at the armory

[quick shell]

what's thoughts on BM vs rampage on the psword

[viscid marlin]

everyone seems to like the MKV but i really like the MKI AGI

[plush kernel]

prob cause of the higher rof

[safe flower]

Okay, serious question. Why does this game sometimes not push?

[viscid marlin]

yeah

uh

[safe flower]

Is it spaghetti or am I doing something wrong?

[viscid marlin]

latency and bad servers

seems to be the top contender

[safe flower]

Bruh, I literally clicked like 5 times.

[viscid marlin]

i reloaded a dozen times earlier

[safe flower]

and fucking died to a poxburster kicking me into a demonhost

[viscid marlin]

just to reload once

it happens

[safe flower]

If it wouldn't take so fucking long to load into the next mission..

[viscid marlin]

thats a good role but my finger hurts from looking at the 4's

[safe flower]

Yee, I'm currently trying to build a 1a, I think it's actually a strong contender for becoming better than the 12 at this point

[viscid marlin]

in my opinion it is

but its to taste at this point

they are similar

[pale spear]

Well i tried an auto clicker for the first time tonight. it feels brokenly good with that

[viscid marlin]

i wish i didn't need something like that to make a gun usable

i just dont feel like setting my macros up

i already have 12 profiles for other games

ill stick to my Ia and AGI MKI

[plush kernel]

i started looking into mods so i can use the headhunters with optics

[keen sleet]

Automod and keepswinging mods are both game-specific autoclickers

[viscid marlin]

vraks 7 is so insanely good with an optic

[plush kernel]

ikr

[lament pelican]

combat blade hurts my wrist after a damnation run..

[viscid marlin]

yeah thats why i dont use it either

[keen sleet]

I got the two mods solely because my fingers were cramping up so badly

[plush kernel]

the first time i used it with an optic

i experienced pure bliss

[viscid marlin]

yep

i just wish it had like.. 2/3rds more ammo pool

but its good

[plush kernel]

i kinda liked the 3 more but the patch has shifted my preference towards the 7

i switched between them every few missions anyways

[viscid marlin]

surgical with deadly accurate on vraks 7 with deadshot is so fun

[tame lichen]

if only we could refine more than 2 times

[plush dragon]

team brace 8 4 lyfe

[junior needle]

There's only a few single shot guns that aren't improved by some form of autofire

k12 bounces a bit too much if you do it

[ember tusk]

Yo carry potter, if you in here, you a bitch lmao

calls himself carry potter, died 5 times - i took 10 points from gryffindor and this is how a man reacts lmao

[gray belfry]

lmao

[junior needle]

[ember tusk]

Sorry other vets - you beasts 👌

[hollow birch]

Be nice m8

[grim thunder]

I’ve seen a surprisingly low amount of toxic people in this game

[plush kernel]

i had a guy one time question my zealot cause he has the truelevel mod and saw that i don't have many games done on him

but he ended up getting downed to trash mobs and then he ragequit

and we cleared without any deaths without him

[wraith locust]

post scoredboard 👿

[viscid marlin]

How many xboxers have you had in the teen levels go into your damnation runs and completely muck it all up though.. Cause leme tell ya, they exist.

[gray belfry]

big wayfarer elf energy

[plush kernel]

out of curiosity i checked if he was in this server and he was

but i didn't message him anyways

[ember tusk]

we was having funny jokes but he turned when i said "100 points to dumbledore for having the biggest dick in hogwarts"

[junior needle]

Our ogryns are actually extremely smart for their kind, so they're hardly disabled

[forest blaze]

Classic normal game situations

Trying to level can be a chore

[grim thunder]

Idk I’m playing on game pass and usually the runs go fine except for the occasional level 25 psyker splitting from the rest of the team

[viscid marlin]

One of the few good xboxers then

[viscid marlin]

the last xboxer i had was an ogryn know it all that went down 37 times and blamed everyone else for it

[grim thunder]

37?

[viscid marlin]

honestly with i could turn matchmaking off and just go solo with bots sometimes.. but farshark doesnt let us do that yet

yeah 37 times. its the reccord for the most downs ive had in a match i was in

[grim thunder]

At least the bots stick together and are somewhat capable

[viscid marlin]

dude did not belong in damnation

[grim thunder]

[viscid marlin]

the bot we had had a higher score then he did

cause he spent half the match being a doormat

[grim thunder]

Welp

[viscid marlin]

but it happens

[hoary valley]

question, for the combat blade build thats stealthy

ruthless backstab and what? Ive heard varying things

[viscid marlin]

every time i see an xbox player i brace myself now lol

[hoary valley]

I have rank 4 mercy killer on it right now just cause thats what i rolled

[grim thunder]

The times I die it usually happens cuz I have music playing in the background lmao

[forest blaze]

Yah. I don’t use mods to spy stuff out. I probably should though.

[sharp ember]

mercy killer is great, pair it with Uncanny Strike and both your blessings reward going solely for headshots

and make sure you have the bleed melee talent

[hoary valley]

Right but my build wants backstab related stuff

[plush kernel]

honestly i don't believe in the truelevels thing too much

i had a lv214 vet dying to trash mobs

[sharp ember]

vet doesn't have any backstab-based talents though...

[hoary valley]

well so ok then i may have been misguided, infiltrator build, what blessings for the knife

[plush kernel]

by the end of the mission where i was playing my lv43 zealot i had 8 or 9 revives and he made up 5 of them

[wraith locust]

i used to not care, post patch i kinda do

[sharp ember]

my suggestions still stand

[grim thunder]

I mean there’s a big influx of people playing it on game pass since if you have game pass you might as well try dark tide after the update, I assume this means a lot of newer players going into matchmaking

[wraith locust]

dont think ive ever had a good game with 3 fresh level 30s

[hoary valley]

so then whats applying the bleed then is my q from there

[sharp ember]

the vet talent that gives your melee bleed

[grim thunder]

Unless it’s a high int damnation run most times matchmaking works fine

[grim thunder]

As long you stick together it’s kinda chill

[hoary valley]

so use that over onslaught ?

[sharp ember]

take both if you want, melee bleed ticks build Onslaught

[hoary valley]

what if i had to choose

[sharp ember]

but Serrated Bleed is necessary for Mercy Killer to work

it's a good damage boost on headshots, it's worth it

[gray belfry]

wanna run that personally, just i have a crippling supression immunity addiction

[hoary valley]

so then serrated > onslaught ?

serrated + onslaught if enough talent points ?

[sharp ember]

yeah

[hoary valley]

ok, do i bother with the middle tree defensive stuff near the bottom ?

like the DR and toughness on elite kill?

[candid tundra]

yo guys you think I should get this from melks?

[sharp ember]

you want those too

[candid tundra]

it's got good blessings I think

[wraith locust]

yes, strip bm

[grim thunder]

The overwatch penance is kinda annoying if you do it solo

[valid bluff]

lmao ghost procs duck and dive

[candid tundra]

ok thanks

[delicate moat]

no, only if power cycler IV for the t4 blessing

[sharp ember]

yeah i'd only strip for T4 BM

[candid tundra]

oh is brmomentum not good?

for power sword?

[gray belfry]

its fine.

[delicate moat]

the perks doesn't look great

[grim thunder]

You could definitely get bm it’s really nice for horde clear

[junior needle]

There's not that big of a difference between brutal momentum tiers. If you don't have much melk bux I wouldn't recommend it.

[gray belfry]

its just you NEED t4 PC to make them feel good

[wraith locust]

?

[tame lichen]

for the blessing if you dont already have

[candid tundra]

yeah I don't have it yet

[delicate moat]

t3 PC isn't worth the milk bucks

wait for t4 PC

[candid tundra]

i think I'll earn it just to earn it

for bmomentum

[grim thunder]

What’s enemy hit mass again

[delicate moat]

bm isn't worth spending milk bucks for on power sword imo

[candid tundra]

what about this then? is shattering impact any good?

[grim thunder]

I forgot

[candid tundra]

hmm

[junior needle]

There's only a little bit of weakspot damage separating the tiers of brutal. They all have the most important effect of carryover on kill.

[wraith locust]

why is that relevant

to his roll

[gray belfry]

i spent melk bucks on getting a helbore with t4 onslaught

[hoary valley]

ok, im in disc with a buddy

they keep saying use ruthless backstab

[fast heart]

Can anyone give me infiltrate build?

[hoary valley]

do i promptly call them stupid

[sharp ember]

ruthless backstab is rending right?

[junior needle]

You told him to buy it from melk, to strip BM from it...

How is that not relevant

[hoary valley]

rending on backstab

[candid tundra]

btw there's this in requisition, I could try taking it higher maybe

[candid tundra]

do you think I shouldn't?

I haven't yet

still debating

[sharp ember]

Uncanny Strike trashes over Ruthless Backstab, because it works from any direction

just swing head level

[hoary valley]

ok, ill go call him a t@rd

ty

❤️

[sharp ember]

but don't confuse his ignorance with a mental condition though

[hoary valley]

im not

[delicate moat]

i would wait for something like a good stat blue with +maniac and rampage before bothering to upgrade

[grim thunder]

Do you have t3 brutal momentum? If so t4 is just 5% more so it might be worth saving the bucks

[hoary valley]

its friend banter

[candid tundra]

no I've got no blessings for the power sword yet

[wraith locust]

how are you so sure he has bm3

like

[grim thunder]

Hmm I see

[wraith locust]

idc

[south prairie]

The real question is if they stack

[fast heart]

onslaught is for melee only?

[junior needle]

If you're a new player, melkbux are a rare currency. Conserve them for important, hard to get stuff that have bigger differences in tier. The small amount of weakspot damage from a t4 brutal momentum is basically nothing.

[candid tundra]

wait @wraith locust @junior needle what's the argument on?

[wraith locust]

just ignore

[valid apex]

@formal lake did you test claws and I missed it? I was thinking Unarmored+maniac

[wraith locust]

him

BM is the best perk for power sword apart from cycler

[junior needle]

I'd like to know that too

[candid tundra]

right so despite t4 blessings, only get it if I'm actually gonna need that blessing or use that weapon?

[sharp ember]

technically yes, but what are you gonna do with 240% rending

[wraith locust]

T4 BM is absolutely worth having

esp since you dont have any tier of bm

get it

100%

[valid apex]

To piggyback off this…save them for REALLY GG stuff/building defining items.

[junior needle]

I strongly recommend you don't

[candid tundra]

this is my OLD power sword from pre-patch 13

[south prairie]

Super rending

[wraith locust]

soldier is just trolling you at this point

[junior needle]

You can easily grab another tier of brutal from the shop or from crafting

[sharp ember]

i guess it's +60% damage if you had 100% ADM to begin with, which sounds really funny

[junior needle]

You don't want to spend melkbux on 2.5% weakspot damage

[valid apex]

That thing is SEX

[candid tundra]

I used it before it sucked

is it better now? or still shit

[wraith locust]

needs cyclret

[delicate moat]

for milk bucks, you usually want to only get a weapon if for (1) t4 blessings or (2) a weapon with 2 out of 4 slots with the perks / blessings you want. in the interest of saving milk bucks and time

[junior needle]

I actually don't know what you're talking about, I never said anything about "bm3"

[grim thunder]

Man

[wraith locust]

just dont reply to me

plz

its over

[junior needle]

He can get another tier with basically no difference for much cheaper

[delicate moat]

you can even have a chance to get brutal momentum 3 on power sword from normal shop, so it's not worth spending milk bucks for

[grim thunder]

I think the discussion is over lmao

[south prairie]

I got a knife with both uncanny and backstab, when i run into armoured enemies or ogryns i go around the back and put on the kitchen

[valid apex]

You would put power cycler 3 on it. If you didn’t like it previously I would pass.

After using the power swords for a few days they aren’t for me.

[junior needle]

Rather than spending a bunch of melkbux for a tiny difference in weak spot damage

[candid tundra]

here look @wraith locust @junior needle I have BM3 on my old power sword, the only reason I would buy the one in melk is to earn bm4, I'm not sure how I would get power cycler 3/4 eventually, but I would

currently I have no earned blessings

[wraith locust]

if ur really short on melkbux

[candid tundra]

all I have for the power sword is that old one I sent

[wraith locust]

then dont get it

[valid apex]

I have BM 3 and I highly doubt 2.5% weakspot is keeping me from breakpoints. Lol

[candid tundra]

I've got 13k

[wraith locust]

then get it

lol

[candid tundra]

ok

[wraith locust]

this is such a

dumb discussion

fr

[candid tundra]

I'm just very confused

like

[wraith locust]

yea

[candid tundra]

VERY confused

[wraith locust]

just get it

[grim thunder]

As soldier said it’s worth keeping the bucks for more impactful weapons to buy later on
Since bm3 is only slightly worse than bm4

[quick burrow]

what are the blessings u want on the devil claw sword

[junior needle]

Savage sweep/rampage

[candid tundra]

as for the bolter I sent too, what do you think about shattering impact 4?

[valid apex]

Sweep/rampage

[halcyon zephyr]

"blessing of garbage" and "blessing of '1200 coin'"
/j

[quick burrow]

THX

[grim thunder]

I know people use it on plasma gun, I think it’s good on bolter too? I don’t play Bolter tho so anyone can correct me on that

[valid apex]

Nvm!

[surreal crown]

Anyone got any links to builds for a really shoot happy playstyle?

[junior needle]

There's very little difference between t1 and t4 brutal momentum, they both have the important bit you take them for. It seemed like you were a new player and wouldn't have a large store of melkbux to spend.

He wa encouraging you to blow what was likely a ton of that currency on something you could get for much cheaper with essentially no difference.

[surreal crown]

I just wanna shoot and shoot

[junior needle]

And then saying a bunch of random unrelated things

For what reason I don't know

[tame lichen]

most of my power swords have 80% on everything but then have 60 on finesse or cleave damage

[grim thunder]

Wait maybe I’m misremembering the blessing name

[candid tundra]

fair enough, both of you guys have relevancy in your points so no need to argue, it's ok

I'm not new, I just suck at crafting lol

[sharp ember]

good for crushers, and a bit of a gain vs unyielding, assuming that an Onslaught gun vet isn't in your party

[halcyon zephyr]

Oh wow I just realized how badly they did my boy slaughterer

[sharp ember]

I would use the blessings as is and change both perks

[grim thunder]

Hmm

[sharp ember]

Maniac + Flak/Unyielding perhaps

[candid tundra]

right, so 2,955 is a good purchase for it?

[junior needle]

Wasn't really an argument, considering he was just saying random unrelated things about things I never even mentioned.

On top of being hostile for no reason

[candid tundra]

all good, I'm not too worried

[grim thunder]

What’s the second blessing for the revolver after surgical anyway, just the rending on crit?

[halcyon zephyr]

Shit. Do I need to re-roll another power sword to put BM and PC on it?

[sharp ember]

up to your wallet, I wouldn't dip below your emergency reserve if you're hunting for Power Cycler 4 or something

it's decent if it's your first ever bolter

[candid tundra]

I have 13k currently, so I can afford it, I just don't know if it's worthwhile

[candid tundra]

yeah so I think I may get it then

[grim thunder]

Which bug?

[tame lichen]

what about this then

[candid tundra]

are those blessings the meta for the bolter?

[junior needle]

You can afford it, but it's really not worth it.

[halcyon zephyr]

Get it and worst case scenario rip brutal momentum off of it.

[sharp ember]

used to be, now Surgical is an option

[candid tundra]

I see

I think I'll just get it just to have it

[sharp ember]

because insta reload is gone, so bolter is forced towards a marksman playstyle

which isn't bad because headshotting and crits were buffed

[candid tundra]

ok thanks for the help

[grim thunder]

Sometimes I’m not sure if extra damage is worth with weapons like the revolver if you need the same amount of shots anyway

[tame lichen]

yup

[candid tundra]

btw @sharp ember you think I should put deadly accurate or dumdum on my laspistol with infernus 4

[tame lichen]

im just a min max junkie i guess

[sharp ember]

breakpoint tuning in a nutshell

once you get all the important breakpoints, anything extra is for boss chip damage

[sharp ember]

I didn't even know laspistol got Deadly Accurate, but I'd do dumdum for ease of use

[grim thunder]

But they kinda get nuked anyway, I think getting some reload on the revolver could be good too

Since it’s rather slow

[halcyon zephyr]

ty hadron, very cool.

[junior needle]

Don't think it does, it has "reassuringly accurate" however

[sharp ember]

oh yeah affirmative

the toughness recovery one

[halcyon zephyr]

Ty hadron, very cool.

[candid tundra]

oh neither do I, I was just told it might lol

I could be totally wrong

anyways real quick back to the bolter, I have these two that I could upgrade and see if I get anything good on

[grim thunder]

Ngl I wish the chainaxe was more useable

Since it’s cool

[candid tundra]

I also have surgical 3 on this one that I can earn

[candid tundra]

yall think I should try upgrading these before buying the one in melk?

or are the stats shit

[grim thunder]

The green one has rather nice stats

[candid tundra]

got cavalcade on the green one

so I'm just gonna dump it

[valid apex]

Very good stats

[candid tundra]

or should I risk gold?

I have no blessings on the bolter earned yet

I can get surgical 3

[grim thunder]

Yeah stab on bolter isn’t really necessary

[valid apex]

Cavalcade is what you want.

[candid tundra]

here it is

[candid tundra]

oh is it?

[tame lichen]

[sharp ember]

BLEH cavalcade