veteran-class

[sand eagle]

Oh

[elder vessel]

Swap Sunder for Cycles

Brutal is very nice

[kind scarab]

Sunder and Brutal both trash

[stark osprey]

this looks good, right? i dont know the dump stats for the plasmagun but it's solid

[sand eagle]

Oh ok ill do that

[stark osprey]

i think

[kind scarab]

That's solid enough

[slender turtle]

Generally good all around. I wouldn't know either cause at 365+ , you're just splitting hairs for small gains

[stark osprey]

hell yeah thanks

[valid apex]

Yep. Good luck

You want blaze away and gets hot. Then whichever perks for 1 shot breakpoints or if you’re going for 2shot

[elder vessel]

flakiac

[valid apex]

Not always

I think flak+elite damage is the play

Helps with gunners

[stark osprey]

that helps with breakpoints? aight solid

thanks

[echo vortex]

is the deadeye penance bugged?

cant find info in the forums

[loud abyss]

Stamina shovel gaming.

[gusty sonnet]

Is cleave important for psword? with PC I mean

[serene pagoda]

hum

[serene bough]

ever get so unlucky that a chaos spawn clips you into a pipe and basically confirms your death>

[pearl granite]

where can I find those detail stats screen?

[formal relic]

Can you regen your own toughness with Covering Fire?

[fickle wraith]

what perks should i put on this bih?

[fast heart]

Surgical

[fickle wraith]

perks not blessings

its a mk2 surgical isnt a huge deal i think

especially since my shit charges INSANELY fast

[frank ether]

I may have undervolted too much

[fickle wraith]

@fast heart https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1BZusrlBnAcY3V/d1337xC01go8?invite=cr-MSxpNVosMTc2Nzc5Mjk3LA

[fast heart]

Surgical gives you free crits

why would you want to stagger you target instead of killing it

[frank ether]

I get that the game has input issues but fullauto mod on helbore disgusts me

[vivid ocean]

didnt know that you couldnt cast voc while in hitstun

that's kinda stupid

[hearty panther]

Idk i use them on my velee vet

And have a good enough time

Yeah they'll never be what they were and they shouldn't ever be again lmao

[neon briar]

recon is supposed to be getting a rework so i wouldnt use them until then

[hearty panther]

If you look at them as a laser shredder instead of a laser IAG it makes way more sense

I wouldn't use a recon against those targets

Yeah no more sextuple flamer spawns, sadge

[hollow ibex]

does anyone know what the dump stat is for shovel?

[hearty panther]

Rager mosh pits

Also ran into a 10 Crusher ball yesterday

[simple acorn]

someone is bound to be smarter than me on this

[hearty panther]

Oh yes

Oops all ragers

And shotgunners on the catwalk

[simple acorn]

how is this doing 2x as much

as this

does that 10% finess really do that much difference

[hearty panther]

Not really

[simple acorn]

my stab w/ second sword does 500 dmg

first does 1k+

[neon briar]

2x in like

what context

[umbral scaffold]

which veteran melee weapon is the best for pure horde clear?

[simple acorn]

stab push attack

[neon briar]

on what target

[simple acorn]

mauler

[sterile garnet]

power sword

something like this

[umbral scaffold]

mk 3 or 6?

[vivid ocean]

6

[sterile garnet]

mk6

[umbral scaffold]

alright

[forest blaze]

Oh lawd

[simple acorn]

slaughter is doing more dmg than the rampage 4 one

[safe quiver]

what should i change ? or should i try to roll a new one ?

[forest blaze]

Absolutely nutty

[simple acorn]

yea the rampage ps does 500 dmg on stab hit no matter what

while slaughter does 1.5k

[hollow ibex]

after shovel right??

[forest blaze]

Looks good. For perks you can swap to some combo of unyielding/flak/maniac and consider swapping volatile with gets hot or blaze away.

+carapace isn’t a bad one to roll with, it’s just super limited in what it helps with

[hollow ibex]

better mobility and heavy attack spam for dealing with mobs though 🤔

[hearty panther]

its got them megadodges

isnt shovel like +22 dodge distance or something zany

its in a similar category to the dueling swords is how i remember it

yeah it has mobility and defense and it has a weird interaction

one can be 4/5 dodges and you'll still have 5 dodges

i dont totally understand it lol

[strange grove]

im liking the bolter, using shattering impact and pinning fire

in full auto you can really destroy a huge number of armor

with exec stance

[hearty panther]

axe has 1/1,000,000 of the bonk potential of the shovel, it's just facts

ill slander as i pleaseth!

pre-13 i only used an Antax with HT + Deci

now i actually use BM and i like it

[buoyant tree]

does shovel need some specific build to shine?

[hearty panther]

taxes get BM but they arent great with it. imo anyway

[elder vessel]

scrap or consecrate?

[hearty panther]

idk i always loved 4 the most

and still do

[sinful cave]

whats the first?

[hearty panther]

yea its 3 cleave now for all the 4's lights

its quite nice

HT + Deci for my taxes

they lack that nice horizontal

[sinful cave]

oh is it just standard bruh momentum?

[forest blaze]

It’s got excellent base stats but the perks are kinda mid. Volatile is also kinda poopy.

Ideally you’ll be looking for +flak/maniac/unyielding and gets hot with shattering impact/gloryhunter/blaze away.

+crit chance I think is the weaker of the two perks

I’d consecrate it and see what your next blessing is

[elder vessel]

Believe or not I got that first try from brunts

[tall torrent]

BM + Headtaker

It’s just because it’s a way safer option than PS6 right

[sinful cave]

meh, i use axe on other classes alot i just wanna experience powersword

[forest blaze]

The only thing I’d say is that charge rate too high (+72% I think) reportedly has a negative interaction with your charge rate. Some kind of bug that makes it charge slower. I’m not sure how real it is or if it’s even that big of a deal but people have been talking about it.

[hearty panther]

and the chop sounds are amazing

[elder vessel]

axe is BOOOOORRRING use a power sword, or a chain axe or a shovel or a chain sword

[fickle wraith]

do we farm for surgical or change perks? hm

[tall torrent]

PS6 just has better breakpoints for a lot of enemies?

[hearty panther]

you guys use melee weapons? I only ever use the bayonet on my rifle

[elder vessel]

[fickle wraith]

any knowledgeable helbore gamers?

thats what im asking, how big of a deal is surgical on mk2?

[elder vessel]

aim good

[tall torrent]

Rashad still needs >75 for dmg, penetration, finesse and 1st target while also having unarmored + flak dmg for perks?

[fickle wraith]

wym?

[elder vessel]

aim better

[tall torrent]

But >75 for everything except mobility is mandatory

[fickle wraith]

how does that answer my question

[tall torrent]

What does first target do exactly

[elder vessel]

aim bestest

[fickle wraith]

@elder vessel i asked if i should try to get surgical or just reroll both perks

[wanton dawn]

You need bm, specific stat distribution, unarmored and I guess weakspot node ?

[hearty panther]

I spent so long getting a 'perfect' antax for my old build

[fickle wraith]

some1 said surgical isnt as important on a mk2 vs a mk3

[hearty panther]

Cleave had to be 64%

[tall torrent]

What’s ur top5 for vet melee rn

[fickle wraith]

@hearty pantheru run helbores?

[hearty panther]

Helbores are fun

[quick shell]

for the vet penace taking no melee damage, is it health damage only or does it include toughness?

[hearty panther]

Hesltj

Hejajna

[fickle wraith]

im just unsure if i wanna change my Falter to surgical and then be stuck with 1 bad perk

[quick shell]

was it always like that?

[fickle wraith]

is Falter playable?

[tall torrent]

Yes

Health dmg from melee

[hearty panther]

I don't think Falter does anything.

And most things die from a headshot

[fickle wraith]

should i change falter or change my reload speed?

[hearty panther]

Oh Helbore II tho hmmm

[fickle wraith]

i already changed the ranged dmg

yeah it isnt helbore 3

i got 1 change left

i have surgical 1 already so i can at least put that on

instead of falter 3

question is, do i want to change falter or do i want to change reload speed

bps?

uhh lemme check on the psyk on damnation

am i looking for 1shots on gunners and trappers on headshot?

1s

i do 741

to trappers

i dont 1shot gunners or trappers

[hearty panther]

Is that in xstance?

[fickle wraith]

no

lemme check with x

[hearty panther]

Dead for sure in stance

[fickle wraith]

its a 1 shot

yeah

does that mean i should change falter to surgical for the extra crit?

does surgical persist through multiple shots if i continously ADS?

for reference i charge up insanely fast

like less than 0.6s

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1BZusrlBnAcY3V/d1337SoK9xew?invite=cr-MSxzZ2osMTc2Nzc5Mjk3LA

[fast heart]

Can anybody tell me what this zealot was talking about?

so far it looks like schizophrenia

[fickle wraith]

we need context

[tall torrent]

The emperor was talking to him

[fickle wraith]

@formal lake even surgical 1?

[fast heart]

Entire context is in the chat

[fickle wraith]

so ill have reload speed 10%

i dont have higher than 1 rn

tho ifi put surgical 1 i can replace it later no?

[fast heart]

I did not want to return half of the map to heal

[cinder wadi]

is this good?

[tall torrent]

U want 5 points higher dmg

[fast heart]

swap shattering and ranged for something else

[tall torrent]

And swap shattering for blaze away

Blaze away is t3 only

[fickle wraith]

if i 1shot gunners and trappers in xstance am i good then?

or should i still go maniacs/unarmored?

[cinder wadi]

Is that 5% needed for breakpoints?

[tall torrent]

I think that’s what guarantees 1 shots on most enemies

1 shot uncharged

[cinder wadi]

noted

[tall torrent]

78 dmg + 78 SP

[cinder wadi]

what about this?

[tall torrent]

Serviceable?

[fast heart]

I did not use heal station because i did want to return long way back

i still had all my wounds up

[fickle wraith]

i do on xstance

which is whyi asked if its fine

i assume ill be xstanced a lot?

i dont 1shot without xtsance

tho i dont have perks

[buoyant tree]

blessings for axe?

[cinder wadi]

what should I do with this?

[neon briar]

sprint to maniac

deadly accurate 4 when you can

[buoyant tree]

ty

[fickle wraith]

wait what

[cinder wadi]

Headhunter + deadly is ok?

[tall torrent]

Rashad & Antax
Headtaker + BM

Achlys
Headtaker/AoN + BM

[fickle wraith]

@formal lake wiki says they have 1050 hp on damnation but they take more than 1050 damage in psyk

[tall torrent]

AoN is when u want to live on the edge

[desert hawk]

Is the wiki on prepatch values

[cinder wadi]

I can change headhunter to surgical 4, would it be worth it?

[fast heart]

Context: I did not want to go a long way back to healing station and I also had more than half of my hp up without any downs. He didn't need ammo, he had full reserve and both ogryns (me and random) had half of reserve so there was no real need to spam. Nearly at the end of the mission he started talking about score board for no reason and trashtalking me for something

The fun thing is that I was above him on my scoreboard

[fickle wraith]

they have 1400 and i deal 1277 when im super far away and 1024 when im point blank

[fast heart]

Pretty much my refusal to heal lead to a shitstorm of trashtalk

[fickle wraith]

or 998 point blank

idk

it varies

[fast heart]

Even tho i completed entire mission without any downs whatsoever

[kind scarab]

Perfect example of why I am glad my voice comms and text chat don't work ingame

[dusk sparrow]

Tbf it's pretty annoying when people skip medicae

[kind scarab]

Easier to just play without worrying about people being completely unhinged

[hearty panther]

I just never use the chat except to say GG or "aw shiet"

[dusk sparrow]

Like there's no reason not to take the heal

[fast heart]

It was very far away from me

[hearty panther]

90% of the time you're never gonna see these people again

[fast heart]

the good reason

[kind scarab]

Plenty of reasons to not take the heal

[fickle wraith]

@formal lake i 1shot maniacs from a distance

no xstance

trappers*

[dusk sparrow]

It's in your path in most maps

[fickle wraith]

without maniac perk

[kind scarab]

But often times, people will just want to take it out of paranoia

[kind scarab]

Always in your path, I'd say. But still plenty of reasons not to take it.

[dusk sparrow]

If there's 4 charges before a drop, why not take it

[kind scarab]

If I'm not missing more than a third of my health, I'll often just leave it sit there until the absolute last second before we'll leave an area

Or sometimes I'll just outright leave it, if I don't feel like the distance between the area I'm in and the next one is too far

[fast heart]

It was a random healing station in the middle of nowhere and I had more than half of my hp still up

[tall torrent]

AoN is nice because that +40% power goes crazy

And achlys combo set drains ur stamina anyway

[fast heart]

So there's no real reason for me to go all the way back just for that

[tall torrent]

And u can somewhat micromanage the stamina with sprinting to make sure ur making the most out of AoN

U just can’t afford to block tank ragers

[dusk sparrow]

@warm salmon finish your sentence

[warm salmon]

lol

[kind scarab]

Full health, no health. Not much of a difference for me if I'm not getting hit often enough for it to matter.

[warm salmon]

that was the sentance happy?

[dusk sparrow]

Good

[sinful cave]

im in love with the infantry autogun rn but damm i really wish the blessings werent all close range focused? kinda wacky

[fickle wraith]

@formal lake so i 1shot trappers from afar without xstance, and for gunners theyre left on like 150 hp.
should i change the carapace to unarmoed or to flak? if u say carapace isnt good on helbores

[fast heart]

One small addition is that I was Ogryn

[sinful cave]

give it 2 me

[fast heart]

good luck getting through my toughness and health lol

half of my hp is like entire vet's healthbar

[fickle wraith]

u already know its gonna be interesting

[iron marten]

Support Zealot, epic

[kind scarab]

Three zealots and a half

[fickle wraith]

helbore gaming

gonna try to pick off gunners

[kind scarab]

Wish I wasn't too nauseous to play darktide

Weekend, but i had to catch the flu

[grave sentinel]

When? I want the rip&tear experience.

[kind scarab]

[idle dirge]

Brutal Momentum generally seems to be the 2nd favourite blessing for power sword but I'm unsure how I feel about it

[quick shell]

so, what does charismatic actually do? what are the benefits of aura radius

[kind scarab]

Soon

[kind scarab]

I dunno man

When you power up the PS

[bright coyote]

brutal momentum is king

[kind scarab]

That shit already cutting through everything

Tf you need more hit mass for

[iron marten]

People love it for the weak spot damage

I mainly do slaughterer though

[kind scarab]

Why not just go slaughterer or rampage, it builds up within the first second of there being a horde and doesn't need active thinking

[idle dirge]

Probably gonna try getting Sunder for its simplicity, or Rampage. Maybe even Supercharge

[grave sentinel]

Brutal Momentum gives you max cleave damage for the first enemies and the weakspot damage lets you hit nice breakpoints.

[umbral scaffold]

is this useful?

[bright coyote]

i have a ps with slaughterer instead of brutal, in auric there were too many times the powered attack would not do full damage to the enemies im trying to delete

[hearty panther]

man Alan Wake 2 looks fucking incredible.

Too bad just watching videos of it makes my 1080Ti cry

[bright coyote]

like im cutting through a horde into a rager or something, wouldnt do any damage

[iron marten]

I wanna get it but my mate with a 3080 only gets 40-50 frames. I’m only rocking a 2060 lmao

[hearty panther]

I can see why the requirements are so damn steep

[tall torrent]

BM is the difference between one shotting 4 bruisers or one shotting 1 and leaving 3 others alive

[hearty panther]

Bromentum is bonkers and you should put it on pretty much anything you can

[idle dirge]

Yes, but to ignore the hit mass it also needs to do the killing blow (unless it's bugged to not require that)

[hearty panther]

That's easy to achieve when you turn on your Raiden Wand

[kind scarab]

So it's not just bypassing hitmass, it also just gives HS damage and full cleave damage

[fallen geyser]

This any good?

[kind scarab]

Now that's far more useful than what it seems on the surface

[grave sentinel]

It will do the killing blow on a headshot

[idle dirge]

I'm more concerned about above bruiser

[hearty panther]

If you can kill the first target, you are killing three more targets before incurring fall off.

[idle dirge]

Maulers, ragers, and ogryns.

[hearty panther]

And even if you can't trigger the one shot on 'everything' you're still getting an appreciable weakspot damage bonus

[bright coyote]

yea

[grave sentinel]

Two shotting crushers and maulers is always nice with energized push attack -> light to head. BM allows that.

[idle dirge]

I probably won't try to get different blessings unless I make every other item I have god-tier first, but still

[carmine cradle]

plasma gun op*

*as long as u have ammo

[idle dirge]

Something neat I noticed about the plasma gun is how the heat disappears when you reload. Not super important, but I like how it lines up with the animation

[carmine cradle]

it does, yes

kinda neat

plasma gun heat is weird

in general

[dapper vessel]

This needs to come sooner

[tall torrent]

Isn’t it kind of weird how the heavy sword (zealot) is from the vostroyan firstborn regiment yet is unavailable to veterans

[kind scarab]

It's not available to us, cause all the zealots stole them away, because we didn't wield them with enough zeal

[carmine cradle]

...go talk to khorne

[kind scarab]

khorn on the khob

[idle dirge]

When do we get the chainsword launcher

Like a potato gun but even more dangerous

[kind scarab]

Sounds like an ogryn weapon

A chaos orgyn weapon

Just shoots buzz saws through his own nurgle buddies to screw us over

[raw birch]

https://i.imgur.com/vi3EHHp.png

what do u guys think?

[kind scarab]

I think punishing salvo hurts my soul on automatic weapons

[raw birch]

is it bad on it?

[kind scarab]

You'd need to burst fire with the gun to make use of it

[raw birch]

ah i see

[kind scarab]

Not to mention you need to be getting headshots

[tall torrent]

Harvest fire frenzy

[kind scarab]

On a wildly inaccurate gun

[tall torrent]

U want dum dum + deathspitter/fire frenzy for IAGs

[raw birch]

ah i see

[tall torrent]

If dmg is what u seek

[raw birch]

so try to get dum dum?

[tall torrent]

Dumdum is probably the most universally useful blessing for IAGs

[kind scarab]

Sure, get dumdum on there and switch out pox damage for flak or something

Keep the stamina and run a bunch of stamina curios and you might even get to use deadshot with that, if you burst fire it

[carmine cradle]

rip old recoil on the vraks

i know thats not the gun being discussed but still

i miss the old recoil

[manic badger]

I thought dum dum was bugged

[narrow laurel]

any shovel enjoyers, doesnt seem like a meta pick but feels pretty solid

[raw birch]

https://i.imgur.com/Jm1YsJq.png u guys think this is worthy for upgrading?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[desert isle]

ay fellas, is there a huge difference between kantrael 12 and Ia?

[tall torrent]

MG12 has lower dps but better headshot 1 taps

[manic badger]

Look what hadron did to my columnus

[safe quiver]

good revolver build for patch 14 ?

[raw birch]

https://i.imgur.com/xzI0Wmc.png oh god it looks worse..

[desert isle]

which one would you recommend?

[bright coyote]

this my go to for auric stuff, only gripe is the reload speed is shit

[tall torrent]

If u are rly into clicking heads, MG12

[carmine cradle]

we have a modern revolver, wheres our modern 50 cal pistol?

gimme a desert eagle

[manic badger]

You don’t need 10% rending just hit headshots you will 2 shot crushers and reapers and 1 shot everything else but maulers even without rebdibg

[carmine cradle]

so...a bolt pistol, i guess?

[tall torrent]

I’d recommend u take the 30% reload speed on top left

[carmine cradle]

yeah gimme a hbolt pistol

[tall torrent]

The 10% rending is not that valuable if you already have hand cannon

[carmine cradle]

bolter with a smaller mag, but better draw speed

[tall torrent]

It should 1 shot everything u need it to

[bright coyote]

yea I've been on and off with the 10% rending

[manic badger]

You get more value out of it with fully automatics

[bright coyote]

thanks for the tip

s

[desert isle]

ey fellas, mark 3 or 6 powersword?

[dark sorrel]

Mk 6 p sword apparently has an innate Block Cost Reduction bonus

Arguably more comfortable if you’re into that

[desert isle]

can get power cycler on both right?

[dark sorrel]

Yes

[tall torrent]

Only against front

[dark sorrel]

That’s still really good no?

[tall torrent]

Blocking behind drains ur stamina really fast

[brisk sapphire]

Wonder if weapons have block cost modifiers like in Vt2

Assume not

[fickle wraith]

did high intens heresy

with the new helbore

[dark sorrel]

Well yeah lol

[fickle wraith]

GYATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTDAMN

[bright coyote]

ps6 is "better" but i think charged up they get the same things done

[dark sorrel]

That’s a given

[umbral scaffold]

Thought this was with blocking in general rather than psword specifically

[tall torrent]

And with ps6 you kind of need to run a stamina curio

Because the basic combo needs u to hold block half the time

[fickle wraith]

felt way better than anticipated

[dark sorrel]

What’s different with P 3 then?

[idle dirge]

Different attack patterns

[dark sorrel]

Well . . . yeah

[river escarp]

This any good _

[dark sorrel]

I’ll test it myself later then

[tall torrent]

It has faster activation but

Less versatile moveset compared to 6

[dark sorrel]

Devils claw is really good and you got one of the best blessing combos

[bright coyote]

the reason i prefer the ps6 is the attack pattern from block push attack and light follow up. that charged up can 2 shot ogryns

[tall torrent]

No

[dark sorrel]

Could just change the perks and be set

[tall torrent]

Super low stat roll for cleave

And low finesse

[dark sorrel]

That’s true, but it’s a good stand in until they get a better one

[kind scarab]

Personally, I enjoy PS3 for the faster charge and horde clear

I don't really need a PS that can two-shot a crusher, that's what my guns are for

[dark sorrel]

Being caught without a good way to kill elites personally feels bad I might just stick with PS6

I’m still getting used to sharpshooter vet lol

[dapper vessel]

4 Survivalist Vets on scab melee no ammo pickup modifier

[dark sorrel]

The “take out” time takes a lot to get used to

[dapper vessel]

Vets are finally shedding 3% damage for infinite ammo

[fickle wraith]

usable or should i take a blessing? (and if so, which)

[dapper vessel]

love to see it

[tall torrent]

PS6 is still pretty risky with its activation window

[kind scarab]

If only survivalist stacked

[dark sorrel]

And you def need to be conservative with your dodges or you’re fucked lmao

[tall torrent]

It’s such a “living life on the edge” playstyle and you get absolutely railed with one missed timing

[dark sorrel]

I’m generally just struggling to use it lol

It’s not a front line weapon

It’s kinda bad at mixed hordes

[radiant sedge]

Charge into block has been a game changer in horde situations for me, but nothing beats the shout to make some room for slicing and dicing 😅

[dark sorrel]

And I can’t whip it out when I need to if I find an elite

[dark sorrel]

True

[tall torrent]

Not to mention PS6 cannot stagger maulers and crushers out of their overheads

[radiant sedge]

And with enough elites/specials you can get some pretty silly chains on the shout

[bright coyote]

the other vet auras are so dogshit

[dark sorrel]

+3% damage doesn’t even help with any breakpoints I imagine?

[ruby fulcrum]

That 3% damage is the difference between me one tapped uncharged plasma into a ragers head., and 2 shots.

That said... INFINITE AMMO!!

[south prairie]

5% move speed

[stark osprey]

hello lads, does anyone know whether accuracy is counted per shot or per pellet with shotguns for the Make Every Shot Count penance?

[fickle wraith]

if i get a level 2 blessing on my weapon, can i change it later to a level 3 blessing?

[dark sorrel]

Yes

[fickle wraith]

just has to be the same blessing?

[dark sorrel]

If you find that level 3 blessing on another weapon

And then affix it

It can be any blessing

[fickle wraith]

ok so for example i have a helbore

i wanna put a level 2 surgical on it

and itll be my 2nd change made

can i later change that to a level 3 or 4 surgical

?

[dark sorrel]

Yes

[fickle wraith]

ah sweet

ok

[south prairie]

I dont know but i would think per pellet since there are blessings about all pelets hitting and hitting multiple targets

[quick shell]

thoughts on this? I'm not sure how much the cleave stats matter thanks to the activation

[stark osprey]

i suppose im about to test it out eh

[fickle wraith]

@formal lake should i apply surgical 2 instead of the falter 3?

[wanton dawn]

It doesn't matter

[fickle wraith]

changed the carapace to maniacs

[south prairie]

To be fair im inclined to use a revolver for that penance

[fickle wraith]

ill be locked on the reload speed though, so idk which is more worth..

[umbral scaffold]

any shotgun vets here?

[plain gust]

I now know why the new steel legion helmet with the hose looks weird, it makes the eyebrows disappear. WTF

[wanton dawn]

depends what shotgun you are talking about

[stray storm]

You think either this revolver or Power sword are worth it?

[umbral scaffold]

kantrael

[wanton dawn]

Not my style soz

[tawdry swan]

Not really

[plain gust]

looks fine, though your cleave is more bound to the blessings. If you get brutal momentum or sunder on it with power cycler it will work well

[south prairie]

Personally the revolver doesnt look too bad

[dapper vessel]

I'd probably grab both for and sacrifice those for the tier 3 surgical and tier 3 rampage

[stray storm]

If you say so

[tawdry swan]

You could do that but idk if it's really worth spending all ur milk coins on

I'd personwlly be more patient

[trim steppe]

The revolver is ok but you could probably make a better one within the week if you camp the shop. Rovoler with maniac/flak and surgical/handcannon is top tier so you could have a very decent one with all the right perks and blessings and just non-perfect stats

I wouldn't waste melk coins for blessings unless they are T4 OR you just really really need that blessing for something

[stray storm]

So sit by the shop till rest got it

[fickle wraith]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1BXTxA5z1prbi2/d1337xA3UAtf?invite=cr-MSxjeHksMTc2Nzc5Mjk3LA

average 4 veteran experience

[trim steppe]

If you dont already have the darktide shop plugin I'd get it, it makes shopping for god-tier weapons so much better

[fickle wraith]

whats it called

[tawdry swan]

Yeah try to use milk coins if its a tier 4 blessing u want on the weapon u want or it the weapon has at least a few things going for it. Like maybe one of the blessings is good but its tier 3, but the weapon also rolled a good perk and has good stats, smth like that

[fickle wraith]

do yall fuck with the mystery melk shop?

[stray storm]

Okay last one

[trim steppe]

Armoury Exchange

[stray storm]

He gave me a profane knife that had 19 damage so fuck the mystery stuff

[fickle wraith]

ill look it up o7

[fickle wraith]

i gotta try one

im goin for a helbore

wish me luck

not a helbore

[stray storm]

Your better off just getting one from the quartermaster

[tawdry swan]

no respite 4 is worth picking up If u ever want to use it on that shotgun

[thick kestrel]

I tend to use the mystery shop to occaisonally roll for curios, can be handy increasing the pool to turn into what I need

[tawdry swan]

Id def buy ot

although

[thick kestrel]

even if it's mostly just hunting the blessings

[tawdry swan]

maybe upgrade it to orange

it coild roll with another good blessing then u just replace the perks and you have a good shotgun

[trim steppe]

Ignore it

[raw birch]

guys got some good build for auto guns?

[trim steppe]

Buy that if nothing else just for the T4 blessing, No respite is BIS blessing on most shotgun builds

[fickle wraith]

how does this 1 look

[trim steppe]

If you wanted to risk the resources you can see how it looks at orange but I'd probably just strip the T4 No Respite and put it on a 375+ grey or green I bought from the armory

[safe quiver]

so 2 questions: 1. the DEADSHOT passive is "alternate fire" means ADS or something else ? 2. which melee weapon do u per with it in this build ? because im thinking PS6 or DC4

[thick kestrel]

Deadshot means ADS yes

[trim steppe]

Deadshot is ADS yes, and I never take it on high difficulties because you'll get obliterated in a tight spot when you have no stam

[thick kestrel]

or I suppose bracing on braced autoguns/the shredder pistol

[trim steppe]

They really need to make Deadshot a flat amount of stamina consumption and not % so we can put together a stamina build and actually use it without getting destroyed

[gaunt hinge]

they did

[thick kestrel]

fairly sure they have? wasn't it part of the recent patch?

[gaunt hinge]

yes

[thick kestrel]

yarp

[trim steppe]

Woah I totally missed that! Amazing

[safe quiver]

so is Deadshot reliable now ?

[dreamy lantern]

they also made vet stam delay better

[tall torrent]

Not worth

[thick kestrel]

reasonably! I use it on a Las Pistol loadout

[dreamy lantern]

so you can recover faster after

[trim steppe]

That part I knew, very nice

Wow you learn something every day, thanks guys. I'll actually have to play with Deadshot now

[safe quiver]

so with revolver PS6 or DC4 what u guys say ?

[tall torrent]

Probably PS6

Because revolver has high mobility to compensate for PS6 to an extent

And PS6 clears hordes very well

[fickle wraith]

should i apply surgical 2 to this, change the reload speed or just leave as is and try to farm surgical 3 or above?

[tall torrent]

U just have to play defensive

[trim steppe]

Yeah probably PS

[strange grove]

mk3 is the only good hellbore imo

[tall torrent]

I’d say keep it as is rn and farm for other rolls

[fickle wraith]

that is not the question i asked @strange grove

[safe quiver]

ill go now on a match and check

[fickle wraith]

@tall torrent just roll with it and try to get other helbores with better perks?

[tall torrent]

Because you’re not sure what you rly want to change

[strange grove]

yes get surgical in place of falter

[fickle wraith]

i can apply surgical 2 rn

[tall torrent]

Just roll with it for now, don’t change anything unless u rly want to

[safe quiver]

so how Deadshot seppoused to work exactly ?

[fast scaffold]

I think it depends on if you are doing stg or not, constant switching back and forth doesn't favor the PS when you have to delete the far away guys

[trim steppe]

I'd leave the blessings tbh

[fickle wraith]

thats what im asking, idm searching for a better helbore but until then what should i do @tall torrent

[tall torrent]

-0.75 stamina per second when you ADS/brace
-0.25 stamina per shot

[tall torrent]

Prob just roll with this

[fickle wraith]

some say leave the blessings and change perk, some say change blessing cuz its a mk2

[strange grove]

mk1 and mk2 hellbores I feel naked against groups of armor

[tall torrent]

I don’t think helbore2 gets that much value out of surgical personally

[fickle wraith]

my charges are insanely fast

[tall torrent]

Yea

[fast scaffold]

Which is bad for surgical

[fickle wraith]

yeah

[tall torrent]

I just think getting 10-20% better crit chance on a low firerate gun that’s still somewhat awkward is not the best value

[trim steppe]

I'd probably just leave it alone and play with it for a bit and then see what feels bad about it, roll it to compensate

[fickle wraith]

i only ever hold my charge when theres not a lot of stuff so i just kinda look around

[strange grove]

you guys realize you charge while you are aiming right?

[trim steppe]

Whether thats a perk or a blessing

[strange grove]

unless you have god like aim on a 4000dpi mouse can still use surgical

[fickle wraith]

mk2 is considered low fire rate?

isnt mk3 slower?

[tall torrent]

Yes but 10-20% crit chance doesn’t make the biggest of difference for helbore 2 imo

[fast scaffold]

Compared to other helbores no but other guns yes

[tall torrent]

It’s way more spam fire than helbore 3

[fast scaffold]

It's the fastest helbore

[fickle wraith]

isnt mk1 the fastest?

[fast scaffold]

No iirc

[tall torrent]

It’s the fastest helbore but that says very little lol

[fickle wraith]

yeah ik

[trim steppe]

Yeah I think the mk1 is the middling one

Idk tbh cuz I never fell in love with the helbores

[safe quiver]

got it got it just tried it in the meat grinder pretty cool actualy

[fickle wraith]

i ran a high intens 4 with that helbore rn and it felt good

i felt a bit lackluster on SOME damage but not a lot

[fast scaffold]

Mk 2 is my favorite

[tall torrent]

My helbore3

[thick kestrel]

mhmm, once you get onslaught rolling hellbores feel... solid. they're precise chunkers of guns intended to put down priority targets in a steady rythmn.

comparable to a boltgun in that sense but trading the dakka for more control and the ability to get a rythmn.

[trim steppe]

The blessings are pretty good, falter is solid and onslaught is s-tier. so you might change reload speed into maniac or something depending on if you notice a breakpoint you wanna hit

[fast scaffold]

Though, as a player I favor weapons that allow me to remain flexible and helbore is not one of those kind of weapons because it favors the sharpshooter playstyle

[fickle wraith]

i already have maniacs

[thick kestrel]

bolters CAN do a similar job, but you've got to deal with the clunky handling and massive recoil...

the trade off is that the boltgun has the full auto-panic button ^^

[unique mountain]

caxe still feels best with revolver but that's just me

[trim steppe]

Ah yeah, well you get what I'm sayin lol

[fickle wraith]

yeah

ill probs try a damnation now and see if i feel a bp on flaks

[fickle wraith]

i cant find a good inbetweener

[tall torrent]

I think if u go with surgical u either:

1. Don’t get that much value out of the 10-20% extra crit chance between shots because helbore 2 cares about putting down consistent 1-2 shot kills more than specific 1 taps
2. You try to let surgical stack up for potential 1 taps and sacrifice valuable dps in the 2 taps

[fickle wraith]

i have a good braced but its garbage for anything past mid range

[fast scaffold]

MG12 if you run krak

[trim steppe]

Yeah on braced guns you have to be more aggresive and become a front liner

[fickle wraith]

yeah i agree with that.. i feel like if i cant 1shot i just tap another time and its usually dead

its like literally an extra 0.5s

i MIGHT change perks

depending on bp

tbh

but yeah ill run it on a few more damnations

[tall torrent]

Yea this prob would net u better results

Falter could get value because

[fickle wraith]

i do love a krak

[tall torrent]

U might be able to get a lucky stagger on a melee elite

Idk

[fickle wraith]

but arent lasguns not s tier now cuz of shocktrooper getting cucked?

[midnight mortar]

*recon lasguns (VId)

[tall torrent]

Lasguns as a whole are eating good (except recon)

[trim steppe]

the recons took a hit but the others got buffed to shit

[fickle wraith]

stats look good here?

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[tall torrent]

This is usable

[fickle wraith]

@tall torrent i run shredder with helbore

[tall torrent]

Perfectly fine

[trim steppe]

solid. i would switch mobility and stability in a perfect world but that'll do nicely

[fickle wraith]

cool

[tall torrent]

Frags have loads of utility

[thick kestrel]

very solid, more stability would of course be ideal but more than functional

[fickle wraith]

ill just try to see how it works

ig

[fast scaffold]

If you go far enough to hit shocktrooper you are missing out on good talents on the other trees imo

[fickle wraith]

what blessings do we look for mg?

mg12

[tall torrent]

Headhunter + deadly accurate, imo

[thick kestrel]

the mg12 can kick a bit so you just need to take that breather between shots

[fast scaffold]

Opening salvo is one I enjoy as well

[tall torrent]

MG12 on its own already hits a bunch of breakpoints

[trim steppe]

I hear that the 4 and 1a lasguns outcompete the 12 now but I'm too poor rn to test them out

[tall torrent]

HH+DA gives u some extra dmg against bosses

[umbral scaffold]

Thats been my experience; running 4 with fullauto mod, I tend to run damnation auric with most specials killed and rarely have to pick up ammo packs

Headhunter and deadly accurate + shocktrooper is a great combo for Inf lasguns

[trim steppe]

Nice

[elder vessel]

got another

[tall torrent]

They have higher dps but 12 still clicks heads like nothing else

[umbral scaffold]

Not IAGs. Brainfart

[trim steppe]

you love to see it

[elder vessel]

i already got T4 Gets hot from the last one

[midnight mortar]

I wouldn't go that far, though I've heard the claim. They're just viable alternatives now.

[trim steppe]

I cant look at any gun besides plasma rn, its just so damn fun

[fickle wraith]

guess ill farm some currencies

[fast scaffold]

They're better if you cheat with macros but that can be said about a lot of the different mods in the game, me personally, I put iron sights on all of my lasguns

[tall torrent]

My MG12

[midnight mortar]

If you prefer bodyshots, they'll have comparable DPS. Their TTKs are slower though since the XII is still better on headshots.

[umbral scaffold]

can you use the same blessing to rebless multiple items or do you always need to find a new one?

[desert hawk]

Even the ones with a default sight?

[midnight mortar]

Once earned = infinite uses.

[fast scaffold]

I put it on all of the kantreal, I use the vraks 3 ironsight

[trim steppe]

blessings are permanent in your inventory once found

[fickle wraith]

i cant say im a GREAT aimer

so idk

[umbral scaffold]

ok cool so it doesnt hurt me if I put my rank 3 power cycler on this piece while I find a better roll

[fickle wraith]

xd

[tall torrent]

Same blessing once earned can be applied on all weapons in the same family for however many times u want

[umbral scaffold]

thanks

[fickle wraith]

not once earned?

i have a helbore with onslaught 4
i havent "earn blessing" on it

[tall torrent]

Swap slaughterer out for Power Cycler

[midnight mortar]

They meant earned.

[fickle wraith]

ah okay

[trim steppe]

thats what i mean, once you strip it off a weapon its forever in your bank

[plain gust]

I just wanted to let you guys know that Brutal momentum is still far superior to sunder in horde clear. I just finished my sunder psword and tested it in the meat grinder

[umbral scaffold]

yeah that's what I was planning on so I can grab bromentum 4 off of this once I find a better base roll

[trim steppe]

i'd swap brutal momentum for power cycler

[wraith locust]

sunder is indeed pretty garbage compared to bm

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum is way stronger than slaughterer for horde clear

It applies the first target dmg to all enemies in the cleave

[trim steppe]

fr? hmm

[tall torrent]

U 1 shot 4 bruisers in 1 powered swing with it

It’s not comparable

[plain gust]

BM is super strong on power sword. You can one shot 4-5 bruisers with a single light

[elder vessel]

bruisers

[umbral scaffold]

I'm confused though how did my mark 6 power sword turn into a mark 3, I swear to god it was mark 6 when it was grey

[trim steppe]

damn ok gonna re-evaluate my PS

[plain gust]

and sunder already misses the mark on the second bruiser and doesnt kill anymore. I just wish I had the perk of my sunder psword on my brutal momentum psword

[umbral scaffold]

and I put my power cycler which I know I got from a mark 6 on it without any issues

[fickle wraith]

god spits in the face of those who appreciate him the most

[umbral scaffold]

am I having a stroke or is there some kind of an interface bug?

[trim steppe]

I've been running Power Cycler and Slaughterer but I also haven't used PS much since the overhaul

[trim steppe]

blessings stripped from weapons belong to a family of weapons, so like a blessing stripped from a mk6 can go on any power sword

[umbral scaffold]

oh ok

oh well I'll use this mk3 until I have a decent mk6

[sharp hinge]

Anyone else agree that autopistol is trash in comparison to infantry and braced autoguns since pinning fire went from 100% power boost to 25%?

[tall torrent]

Depends on ur use case imo

The mobility & draw speed are still huge in its favour

[trim steppe]

[sharp hinge]

Deathspitter + Fire Frenzy columnus IAG owns Pinning Fire + Blaze Away/Cavalcade autopistol in terms of damage

Its like night and day

[trim steppe]

Anyone know if the plasma's 71% charge rate bug was patched?

[plain gust]

two days ago some vets said that it was not

[tall torrent]

Mk5 IAG dps is very crazy yes

[trim steppe]

Thanks

[plain gust]

But I never really tested something on it, so I cant give a direct answer

[tall torrent]

But the mobility difference is still very noticeable

[sharp hinge]

Especially in auric maelstrom. you feel like the autopistols dogshit accuracy and low dps make you unable to perform

[sharp hinge]

Switch to knife for mobility lol

[tall torrent]

I think autopistol might be better with infiltrate builds

[trim steppe]

I have like 10 plasmas at 370+ and they all roll with either 80 charge rate or 60, so I cant ever test it

[sharp hinge]

Maybe

[tall torrent]

Because one big issue I’ve had with mk5 IAG despite its crazy dps is that it basically does not stagger enemies

[sharp hinge]

The real reason why columnus IAG is so good js because its ridiculous fire rate allows u to proc onslaughts max brittleness stacks instantly

[tall torrent]

Pretty much

[sharp hinge]

Its the only automatic gun that can deal with crushers

Thats not running infernus

[plain gust]

yeah, my plasma is at 77% and I am pleased with it. It still kills everything in the time I want to kill it. That why I didnt bother getting more plasmas to test it

[sharp hinge]

U are 100% right

[tall torrent]

U get around 1280~1400 dps against crushers with aimed headshots (depending on crits)

[sharp hinge]

In comparison to agripinna braced

[trim steppe]

my 80% plasma indeed kills everything instantly so I don't feel compelled to find a new one

[sharp hinge]

I keep getting jumped by dogs even though ive shot them like 5 times

[tall torrent]

Agrip braced can stagger ragers into submission lol it’s actually hilarious

[sharp hinge]

Columnus iag cant even stagger hounds out of their jump

[tall torrent]

But mk5 IAG does not do well vs bunch of ragers rushing at u

[sharp hinge]

Absolutely

[tall torrent]

U can only rely on the dps to hopefully put them down before they get to u

So I think it’s somewhat balanced in that sense

[sharp hinge]

Yeah i usually always take a hit from a pack of ragers

Cant bring them all down before i have to reload

[trim steppe]

Argi 8 felt bad in patch 13 because I didn't have the ammo to deal with the increased hp of enemies. I haven't tried it again in 14 but I imagine it's much better now

I loved my argi8 before the overhaul

[tall torrent]

It does 17 stagger per shot

I’ll let u think abt that for a sec

[trim steppe]

Yeah now that it got a huge ammo buff I bet its s-tier again

[tall torrent]

U stagger everything so hard that they cannot hit u

[tall torrent]

Mk5 IAG needs to be paired with a melee that staggers enemies reliably imo

Axes preferably

[sharp hinge]

Which 2 axes are the best for horde clear and anti-carapace?

[tall torrent]

All 3 combat axes are good

Rashad best potential (also smoothest feeling heavy overheads)

[sharp hinge]

Which one is best at killing crushers?

[tall torrent]

Prob Rashad

[sharp hinge]

Hmmm

[tall torrent]

But I’m pretty sure

[unique mountain]

Antax is almost as good and easier to roll

[tall torrent]

Every combat axe can stagger crushers & maulers out of their overheads with heavy attacks

And once staggered they’re way less of a threat

Cuz they’re so slow

[strange grove]

how do I get over this issue on the bolter having so much sway going ADS its hard to snipe snipers quickly?

twice now I got hit cuz i couldn't line up the shot quick enough

skill issue? Or #BolterLife

[tall torrent]

Run executioner’s stance

Press F

Get effectively zero sway

Click mouse 1

[strange grove]

exec stance helps with sway?

[fast scaffold]

Release ads after firing and immediately re ads afterwards, the sway is just in your mind

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[tall torrent]

Sway, hipfire spread & recoil

[unique mountain]

or switch to smaller superior bolter (revolver)

[strange grove]

oh ok thanks, I do run exec stance, must have been on CD

[strange grove]

revolvers can't kill an entire swarm of crushers in full auto 😛

[unique mountain]

kraaaaaaak

[strange grove]

fair point

I do run revolver on my zealot, wanted some variety

[tall torrent]

Revolver 1 shots them instead

5 shots = 5 dead crushers

[strange grove]

yea you better have aim like Chris Kyle tho

[tall torrent]

Crushers don’t move their heads much

Makes them easy targets

[wraith locust]

What build do you need to accomplish this

[thick kestrel]

they're too busy concentrating on walking without making any sound to move their heads... genuinely Crushers can move like ghosts sometimes ^^

[tall torrent]

Surgical + Hand Cannon
Use deadshot talent (this combined with surgical makes for extremely high crit chance)
Headshot crushers

Hand Cannon gives like up to 90% rending on critical hit

Makes carapace armor look like it’s made out of paper

[wraith locust]

I have that exact setup tho

And it’s a two shot

[thin stone]

Hello gigachads

[tall torrent]

Did u take the 30% weakpoint node on left

[wraith locust]

Are you running +30 weakspot and carapace

Nah I don’t

[tall torrent]

Might need this?

[wraith locust]

Just seeing if it will actually get me the no

Bp

[tall torrent]

Try the 30% weakpoint see if it gives u that breakpoint

[wraith locust]

Okok cool I’ll Try later Tyty

Runnning right side atm

[forest blaze]

My plasma will one shot crushers on crits but I gotta charge shot, which wrecks my ammo

[tall torrent]

I think if ur going deadshot u might as well take the 30% weakpoint for massive dmg

[forest blaze]

Normally I’ll just Krak and forget

[wraith locust]

Yea will try it out

I mostly melee crushers so

[sharp hinge]

Dont know if deadshot works with plasma

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t

[sharp hinge]

When im charming my shot i still aint losing stamina on shooting

[sharp hinge]

Yeah not sure if thats intended

[forest blaze]

It does not

[fickle wraith]

why do i get ogryns with shields

that literally

[tall torrent]

If deadshot worked on the current plasma gun I think that’ll be a little too broken

[fickle wraith]

run away from everything

[strange grove]

I see the sway, it’s my biggest complaint with the bolter

[fickle wraith]

why do u have 50000 hp and 6 wounds

if ur running away from mobs while im being pounded

and ur near me

[forest blaze]

If you’re pathing for +weak spot you’re better off with the toughness talent path instead of dead shot

[tall torrent]

Ogryns running 500hp slab shield builds with Feel No Pain keystone taking a combined total of 6 damage per mission

[fast scaffold]

When you cancel in and out of ads it minimalizes is to only be cosmetic instead of actually moving your aim on the sway

if you can trust where you were aiming then it shouldn't be an issue, just takes a little bit to get used to

[fickle wraith]

downed 4 times 😦

but hey

this cant be THAT BAD

[fickle wraith]

he literally took the least

also dealt less damage and had least kills

least*

[willow spruce]

I've just noticed while playing zealot, hey, there are some good autoguns

[fickle wraith]

so are we surprised

[willow spruce]

Now I'm wondering

[fickle wraith]

🦅 THIS IS VETS ONLY RAAAAAAAAAAAAA 🇺🇸 🇺🇸

[zenith cedar]

You do lotta melee I can see. Try to incorporate more dodges. Playing Zealot trains you well in melee

[fickle wraith]

me?

it was quickplay damnation i had to use melee so much it pissed me off cuz there were HORDES of gunners and my team is literally around me as im in xstance and im getting shoved around by 1shottable minions
it made no sense to me, we had a flamethrower and a shield ogryn

@tall torrent :((

guess ill get the money from it

yipee

[tall torrent]

It’s joever

Harvest ghost IV

[fickle wraith]

ait

rly?

[valid apex]

@formal lake upload some videos of power sword bossing

[willow spruce]

Are autoguns worth using on vet, I usually play for elite killing, but I'm wondering, I feel like Kantrael 12 cannot be beat at elite killing by an agrippina autogun

[fickle wraith]

i use aggri and i deal boss damage

onelove made a build for me

[tall torrent]

If a blessing has magnifying glass on its icon, it’s a blessing u have yet collected for hadron

[willow spruce]

millions must become poxwalkers

[thick kestrel]

yeah the autoguns feel really solid. personal favourites are currently the mk5 infantry and the mk7 headhunter. they've got their own solid feels and loadouts which make them work nicely.

[fickle wraith]

ahh good to know

[willow spruce]

I used Vraks VII on zealot however, it felt kinda weak

I mean, compared to other single shot weapons

[thick kestrel]

mk5 infantry has some solid close range SMG vibes in particular, very strong with dumb dumb rounds and raking fire on an infil loadout

[grizzled pebble]

Melee vet is pretty good now. Nearly as good as zealot but the shouts make up for it with strong cc and toughness spam.

[tall torrent]

Definitely worth trying
Autoguns are very good rn (only 2 are not that great)

[willow spruce]

I might be looking at autoguns wrong

[tall torrent]

I’d say veteran gets more value out of them purely because he gets a lot of +dmg talents

[willow spruce]

Because tbh, on veteran at least I mostly played with revolver, plasma and kantrael 12 lasgun

[thick kestrel]

the mk7 is a bit blessing and trait dependant I think? Vets get a lot of + range damage and + ranged crit which works wonders. very solid anti-gunner weapon at a lot of ranges.

[tall torrent]

Mk7 headhunter is a DMR style gun focused on headshots & critical hits

Go deadly accurate + headhunter/surgical (based on ur preference)

Deadly accurate is mandatory

[thick kestrel]

but you need to take your time with it, it's got massive headshot multipliers and benefits a ton from surgical despite being able to shoot VERY quickly

[willow spruce]

Ok, it does mean that it's competing for a build spot with the hellbore lol

Thx a lot for the advice

[tall torrent]

I’d argue it is somewhat close

Different strengths & weaknesses even though they serve similar functions

Headhunter autoguns are weak against maniac

[willow spruce]

I've been waiting on getting good gear for now so I've been doing heresy with gray or blue weapons lol

The main reason why I'm even playing hellbore is that hellbore 3 sounds amazing when it shoots

I mean, the sound on this thing shreds

[tall torrent]

And headhunter definitely works better at close-mid range compared to helbore

Faster draw speed, better spam capability, no awkward charging mechanic

And definitely better iron sights

[hollow ibex]

Hellbore draw speed killed any interest I had in those guns

[hollow merlin]

Accatran mkII FTW. spray and pray. Plus, stacks of burn are good.

[calm vine]

whats the best blessings/perks for las pistol?

[tall torrent]

Dum Dum
Infernus (?)
Reassuringly Accurate
Ghost
I heard raking fire is interesting as well

[calm vine]

thanks, i got gifted (received after mission) IV dum dum and reassuringly accurate but both perks are awful (groaners and poxwalker, infested)

[eternal sable]

skullcrusher or uncanny strike on a shovel ?

[tall torrent]

I think laspistol cares abt crit a lot

[tall torrent]

Uncanny

[gusty sonnet]

+crit is not bad but you'd rather have maniac

[valid apex]

the amount of times i just randomly die with the power sword is...

a lot

lol

[calm vine]

so flak + maniac for perks?

[gusty sonnet]

for vet in particular, yeah

[tall torrent]

PS6?

U gotta play defensive with it

[calm vine]

thanks, ill go change it and practice in meat grinder

[tall torrent]

The PS6 horde clear combo is

[gusty sonnet]

np

[tall torrent]

Hold defense
Activate
Light 3 swing
Back to defense
Activate
Light 3 swing

U basically hold defense whenever ur not attacking

[valid apex]

yea i know...it's just any time you block you can just flop

[eternal sable]

classic

get that shit outta here

[tranquil moth]

This malice penance is gonna break me.

[tall torrent]

On Overwatch?

[gusty sonnet]

is first target on shovel even important?

[tranquil moth]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

My suggestion
Use VoC with overshield
Get a friend using Ogryn shield & taunt to join

Basically train urself into taking as little dmg as possible and you’ll eventually get it

[wraith locust]

Ps 6 actually has pretty decent block

Its less stamina than ps3

You can block a full rager combo

[calm vine]

try going infiltrate veteran and stay beside your team (hopefully youll have psyker with smite so you wont get hit)

[cinder wadi]

is serrated blade woth it if you're running anything but knife?

[tall torrent]

Smite Psyker is also a godsend for this penance

[tall torrent]

Yes because the bleed ticks actually contribute to stacking onslaught brittleness on enemies so if u can spare the points for it, it has value

[cinder wadi]

ok

[valid apex]

But a rager + anything else? That’s my issue with it

You block to cancel the activation so it doesn’t take a year

And then let go to light attack

But sometimes you just get clipped and flop

[wraith locust]

Yea I mean

With ps you have to be really good in melee

[valid apex]

I find ps to be good if “you’re ahead” and absolute dotshit when things go south.

[tranquil moth]

Yeah I've got the strat down it's just those random spawns and or ai that just pass my team to hit me lol. Thanks though ima keep trudging on even though I want to rip my skull out.

[tall torrent]

Combat axes are the much safer options

[calm vine]

smite and taunt are your friends for this penance and map choice

[tranquil moth]

If only I had them

[calm vine]

Sewer assassinate is one of the best places for it

[tall torrent]

Sewer assassination is also the best for zealot “just a flesh wound”

Did it for a friend last night

[willow spruce]

Power swords feel so freaking slow now

I remember them back when on default you had like 3 hits on the power up

I still use them with the plasma gun for the aesthethic

[calm vine]

Depends on which PS youre using, PS needs PC (power cycler) now its mandatory if you want to use it

Deactivating every hit or 2 feels awful

[willow spruce]

Yeah, btw, which map is the sewer assassinate?

There are 2 right?

There's one in the prison, so the second one is in the sewer?

[calm vine]

The one you go through the sewer to get to the prison

I dont really remember the map names

[willow spruce]

Ok, yeah sure

[valid apex]

I think I’m going to give up on power sword and start working on rolling a perfect devil claw.

[willow spruce]

What a time to be alive lol

I remember people arguing about PS and how they should be nerfed

[calm vine]

Chainsword feels amazing, its a viable melee weapon if you have it

[calm vine]

The infinite cleave should have been nerfed but FS also adjusted a lot of other things with the PS

[tall torrent]

The one where u have to hold out for an ascender as enemies come in from left, right and front

There’re 2 assassination missions

Sewer assassinate ends in a prison with a smaller arena for boss

The other one ends in an abandoned church (?) with a big arena for boss

[valid apex]

If you have a zealot they can hyper carry those boss fights. Just put their back to a wall and they will chew the boss to pieces.

[calm vine]

Always thought the bigger boss arena was something like a train depot or something

[wraith locust]

Ppl still haven’t learned to stack at end of the room

[wraith locust]

They always run around near the elevator

And mess up the boss

[fathom grail]

the FS version starts to look like a puppy

the longer you look at it

[valid apex]

yea you can legit just run right at the boss. put your back to the wall. and all of you swing

[fast scaffold]

gonna try to make smokes work

[tardy vine]

do this blessings even work with mk2?

[tranquil moth]

Do poxwalkers count as melee

[valid apex]

Unarmored or flak + maniac for claw4?

Unarmored would help the most with horde cleave, right?

[calm vine]

Yes, dog push also counts i think and mutant push

[tranquil moth]

Reading that and then you updating it while I was reading it was like oh, oh no, NO

[devout atlas]

What perks on PSword (other than Carapace)

Flak?

I went with Elite Damage cause I was off by a tiny slither on 2 shotting many elites

[delicate harbor]

Is the "90% accuracy" penance broken?

[grizzled pebble]

Melee maelstrom antax revolver clutch
https://youtu.be/vGfJrPYDlBo

[tall torrent]

No

Bring kantrael/lawbringer shotgun

Become zealot lite

[delicate harbor]

trying it with fire shotgun

curently

[calm vine]

Why doesnt the meat grinder gave bosses as targets?

[delicate harbor]

a mod would be nice

[valid apex]

yea i think i'm going back to claw

[delicate harbor]

to see my accuracy

[valid apex]

i've just dug myself out of the most shit situations with the parry

i'm crippled now

[delicate harbor]

the parry is so godlike

[valid apex]

parry clutch/crutch

lol

[delicate harbor]

Crusher? PARRY!

[valid apex]

would you do unarmored/maniac so you can 2 tap mutties?

claw/plasma is what i'm running

getting close to switching to revolver

[strange grove]

can you parry crushers?

[delicate harbor]

yes

[tall torrent]

Yes

[strange grove]

their overhead slam?

[delicate harbor]

yes

[strange grove]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-whatever-lies-gif-3602502

[grizzled pebble]

Antax gang

[versed osprey]

do Bolters look always like this?

or is mine fucking broken

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, you haven't seen the trailer ?

[delicate harbor]

you installed the N64 texture pack

[cinder wadi]

offbrand bolter

[wanton dawn]

[grizzled pebble]

Antax has better push attack than rashad.

[delicate harbor]

not my issue you can do it

[grizzled pebble]

I don't mind slower heavies for better push attack.

[zealous wyvern]

how did that happen

[versed osprey]

so.. is it my graphics?

or its meant to look like that

[grizzled pebble]

Yeah I do. Bm now doesn't have infinite cleave anymore.

[versed osprey]

even the ammo screen looks crooked

[grizzled pebble]

Pre 13 I played antax with headtaker decimator on zealot too.

2 targets cleave so had to do a lot of push attacks.

[elder vessel]

ah yes. Scuffed Boltgun

My favorite weapon

[versed osprey]

i dont getit my game is on ultra

[tardy vine]

guys what are the best blessings for hellboar mk2?

[versed osprey]

dear god the bolter is not the only crooked thing

WHY IS MY GAME CROOKED!!!!!!

[plain gust]

did you sit on it?

[placid solstice]

It looks like its rendering lowpoly LODs up close for some reason

[wanton dawn]

Definitely my fatest TTK on spawn with PS

Fun fact: spawn that jump on you die instantly with some weird stagger interaction

[vital phoenix]

Idk about other stuff, but if u move the camera while pulling out this thing, the screen moves as well. Like, you can make yourself unable to see the screen at all.

[versed osprey]

got fixed restarting the game

no more crooked bolter

[past pivot]

u can alt tab

and its gone

[versed osprey]

nope

been doing that to send you pictures

[past pivot]

help to me

[versed osprey]

and it was still crooked

[past pivot]

this is simply because the game optimization is terrible

[umbral scaffold]

what should I change?

[past pivot]

its perfect

[kind scarab]

Max health and Toughness

Straight to the trash

On a more serious note

[umbral scaffold]

why toughness?

[kind scarab]

You change out whatever of those you suffer from the least

[versed osprey]

what are the best blessings and perks?

[tepid pagoda]

It's basically perfect for shout if you remove toughness