veteran-class

[sleek cairn]

the buff to its fire rate again was great

now i just swap between like 5 guns

Azreal's right though, high alpha guns are better

IAG's if i want 0 melee

[swift ingot]

Stability also isn’t all that important either because of the changes to its recoil in the latest patch

[feral stratus]

So close to be me. I play cuttroat and the crime was I think disrespecting a comisar

[sleek cairn]

for reasons i dont know, i value cleave on guns too now lol

plasma must've opened my eyes

[terse idol]

On auric damnation?

[feral stratus]

Do all the not Lasgun weapons have cleave?

[sleek cairn]

its safe to assume in vet channel, nobody plays anything else

[sleek cairn]

depends on what u wanna cleave hahah

[terse idol]

[sleek cairn]

Agri IAG has solid cleave, is all i can say. we dont have to talk about plasma here

[feral stratus]

I wouldn't be surprised if the plasma gun also cleave'd walls tbh

[sleek cairn]

they do

[feral stratus]

Wait

[sleek cairn]

i shoot them through corners all the time

i stare exactly at a pillar

and shoot through the pillar

bomber dead

[feral stratus]

That's hilarious

[sleek cairn]

sniper takes cover, i shoot through the wall lol

u get a feel for what it can shoot through by pure muscle memory lol

CS style haha

[swift ingot]

At this point I run Laspistol out of principle

[sleek cairn]

i use plasma mostly to get the gunners behind their ragtag crew of meatshields

[feral stratus]

I honestly thought that they went with "Yeah, walls stop any kind of ranged weapons"

Knowing this is really cool

[swift ingot]

Assail needs to get a longer recharge time

[sleek cairn]

it's not just cool but practical. some snipers are using such tiny freakin gaps to shoot u. Well fk finding cover or the right angle. Plasma his ass

cuz ur teammates cant do this

[feral stratus]

I should use the plasma rifle more at this point

[sleek cairn]

if ur a revolver user, nah

lol

[feral stratus]

Nah, I am a Lasgun user

[sleek cairn]

still good

lasguns are awesome

[feral stratus]

Yup

With the change of the Katriels I switched from the XII to the others

And they feel pretty good

[sleek cairn]

IV? which one

mg1a

[junior needle]

snoipahs have a hit mass of 2, so you may get less penetration depending on the enemy. 4 snipers would be 2 ragers (8 hit mass).

[quick burrow]

dam game really want s to dump dmg or stablity

2 million ordos

all failures in the eyes in the emp

[white minnow]

assail has a target limit, not a cleave limit

[feral stratus]

Don't remember the models tbh

[junior needle]

nutty

Wish more things in this game did that

[queen fox]

what is assail's target limit?

[quick burrow]

well i may not have gotten any good laspistols but i did pick up infernus 4

[white minnow]

2 by default, 3 with Ethereal Shards

and doubled if it's an Empowered shard

so 4 by default, and 6 with Ethereal shards if empowered

[quick burrow]

what are the blessings you generally want on las pistol?

[queen fox]

w/e looks fun

[junior needle]

ghost/infernus/dumdum

[queen fox]

laspistol blessings aren't all that good imo

perks matter more

[junior needle]

dumdum is currently bugged to apply the damage boost at longer ranges

[quick burrow]

want flak and maniac or flak/crit?

[junior needle]

ghost is good for enabling deadshot/dnd shenanigans

[queen fox]

i run flak crit with reassuring shot and infernus

[junior needle]

I heard crit chance and unyielding from other people, but as long as you have crit chance then any of the 3 should be fine

[quick burrow]

i just assume flak anyway

[junior needle]

Just remember it does less than half its potential damage if you don't crit or headshot

as you can see here

[quick burrow]

this is the best one i amde so far they are all bricked

[junior needle]

euf

[forest maple]

oof

[junior needle]

3/4 bricked

[quick burrow]

ya my only other frames 370 + are 4 dump stats dmg rofl

[junior needle]

Welcome to the fatshark gaming experience

[forest maple]

[quick burrow]

i know lol i just dumped 2 million ordos

at least i got inf 4

[forest maple]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-the-office-yikes-this-is-the-worst-cringe-gif-21219465

[junior needle]

You're not it is?

[raw steppe]

afaik it's not

[junior needle]

It was on the recon version

[raw steppe]

it's bugged to give you stacks regardless of range

[junior needle]

Let me check again, maybe it got patched

Or was just never on the other guns

[raw steppe]

but i believe the dmg is still close range?

[junior needle]

Because reasons

[feral stratus]

At least for auto guns it worked yesterday. Not sure for recon

[gritty mirage]

this looks decent right? what should i swap to

[junior needle]

Giving stacks at range isn't contrary to the description, but I was definitely getting a stacking per shot damage boost on an empty talent tree past 8m and even past 15, even into 20+

I'm gonna check it again

[gritty mirage]

noted

thanks

[junior needle]

Still bugged on the recon version

[raw steppe]

really?

here

[junior needle]

It seems to fall off gradually at range, try it at 20-25 and you should still see it

[golden axle]

That stability hurts honestly, having tried the difference between 50 and 80 recently.

[quick burrow]

why game whyyy

i was farming for more perks for a future good laspistol and that cursed one showeds up

[raw steppe]

yeah it seems to use the zealot node coding

where it falls off

[junior needle]

Conveniently my zealot had a dumdum laspistol where it also worked there

[quick burrow]

is that las pistol even usable with 66 dmg ?

[ruby fulcrum]

Its like what... 5 less damage than 80%?

[quick burrow]

its exacty 5

[junior needle]

my 80% damage spread

Oh you already have one for comparison

[half wigeon]

keeper ?

[quick burrow]

ooph

ya thas actaully

more than expected

[junior needle]

The ammo dumping is unfortunate still pretty good

[quick burrow]

30 dmg less on unarmored weak spot

[junior needle]

Just keep in mind that stability is also not a dump stat on IAG's

For future rolls

[delicate estuary]

any lasgun alternatives to the MK12

[still pollen]

I don't know much about lasgun blessings, so r these good blessings?

[quick burrow]

whats the play for las pistol builds

shredder into middle?

[junior needle]

Helbores if you like a single shot playstyle, they're doing very good. Then the other infantry lasguns got buffed this patch and are performing well if not super amazing.

[candid bridge]

Literally perfect lmao

[terse idol]

The semi-auto head hunter is sooo fun, and a good alternative

[candid bridge]

Change out perks

[half wigeon]

yeah dump stats mobility ?

[junior needle]

Posts a giga roll
Is this good?
Evry tiem

[terse idol]

[delicate estuary]

I dont mind the mk12 in terms of damage but at times I feel rushed to kill specials and disablers when tehre is so much AOE going around so was looking for something faster firing with a bit less damage

[quick burrow]

jesus razor that guns like perfect

gratz

[junior needle]

That would be the other infantry lasguns. The vraks 7 is another good pick but it's very much like the k12 there

They're better for less precision (headshot) oriented gameplay

k12 is considerably better if you're cracked and can click heads all the time though

[still pollen]

Thx I guess, I don't play lasgun much so I don't know much about them

[quick burrow]

do u take deadeye for las pistol? i assume so ?

[feral stratus]

That's a god roll

[delicate estuary]

yea if I have the space that is very much possible

[celest vine]

Like swap infested with flak and its godly

[delicate estuary]

but if I have another 3 people also doing special/disabler hunting its impossible 💀

[balmy flume]

MGIa is good for las shot spamming

[celest vine]

Used only 1 lock too

12 and 1A are equal now

[junior needle]

Well it's not exactly a bad thing to have a competent team. If you have a bunch of revolver users for example then you're just being delegated to shooter duty, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[celest vine]

12 will do better against ogryn and bosses but 1A shoots faster

Actually the MG12 is your DMR and your MG1A is the assault rifle

[balmy flume]

Not sure if they fixed the recon las Crit ammo thing, so…they are not terribad, but just won’t leverage off on the ammo nodes as much as they should.

[junior needle]

The more you one shot, the less you need more shots

[delicate estuary]

ye thats fine too but for that case using MK12 is kinda redundant given how slow it fires and the density of shooters unless you mean the machine gunners

might jsut go for MG1A

seems like an OK middle ground

[celest vine]

Its an assault rifle now basics

[random cobalt]

are the recon lasgun builds still viable?

[junior needle]

the 2 and 7a definitely are, 6d is low tier with the new gun buffs due to ammo chugging.

[junior needle]

Define viable and what difficulty you play at

They aren't good

[random cobalt]

damnation, and something good

[celest vine]

Good at everything but that 22 will be better for heavier targets

[random cobalt]

i just want to play with anything but the plasma gun

or revolver

[delicate estuary]

also has anyone here tried the heigh changer mod ?

[junior needle]

Then no. Short story is they got multiple, LARGE undocumented nerfs, even the bad ones. The good one (formerly) also got big modifier nerfs.

[velvet wraith]

rate this bolter, 7/10?

[junior needle]

I have, works great.

[random cobalt]

is anything other than plasma good atm?

[candid bridge]

If you spec into onslaught yeah they do just fine tbh

[hollow solstice]

Colomnus iag is pretty good

[delicate estuary]

no problems with it so far ? and can I just change heigh and uninstall it and the height will remain ?

[junior needle]

Plenty, helbores are good, infantry las are good, vraks 3 and 7 are good, IAG's are doing much better, agri brauto is great.

[balmy flume]

The Hellbores and Kantrael Lasguns (except HB 1), any Autoguns (inf, HH or braced) if blessings and nodes are correct AFAIK

[velvet wraith]

for auric maelstrom, bolter is king

[junior needle]

Yes, I'm pretty sure you can. And no problems with it.

[velvet wraith]

and plasma

everything else uses 2 much ammo

[delicate estuary]

roger thanks 😄

[balmy flume]

I would actually say if the user takes the +25% ammo node and uses it as an Anti-Materiel rifle, yea.
Otherwise it is a fool who burns Boltgun ammo far too eagerly.

[velvet wraith]

ofc run +25 ammo

[junior needle]

Columnus IAG is pretty absurd

[sick marsh]

so. for my veteran, what would be the optimal curio blessings to go for?

[balmy flume]

I currently run 2 Toughness and 1 Wound for the major bonus.
Minor bonuses are Toguhenss/toughness regen, Ability regen, sniper resistance.

[devout atlas]

I've ran Columnus many times on Maelstrum, it gets so much ammo back per elite kill that I will often go through multiple rooms clearing elites/specials and still have 97% ammo

[umbral scaffold]

Snioer resistance is eh

Yoy can dodge it so id put sonethinf else

[junior needle]

Sniper resistance used to be fantastic because of unwavering, but now you probably can't block the shot with toughness entirely unless you take shout and have it active

[sick marsh]

ok. 2 toughness and 1 wound acquired. guess I'll smooth out perks next.

[balmy flume]

I’d say up to user.
Might not be BIS but if you have to countersnipe in the middle of a horde…comes in handy.

[devout atlas]

you will hate me for saying this but it's even better on Psyker with Gaze. Damn near 100% crit uptime (and you become immune to ranged damage for 1s on crit lol)

[candid bridge]

Gunner and sniper resistance to me are key for me personally

[junior needle]

It's like the shredder all over again

[random cobalt]

thoughts?

just rolled this

kinda mid i think

[strange grove]

mk3 hellbore is the only hellbore

[devout atlas]

don't get me wrong though I run it on my Vet too. Try Infilitrate with Raking Fire it goes hard as fuck

[umbral scaffold]

Nah its good

[gusty sonnet]

Fellow veteran gamers, what are the 2 blessings to put on a rashad?

[strange grove]

mk1 and 2 are garbage tier

[sharp epoch]

MKII is a shadow of its former self, it cant hit a lot of breakpoints now like flamer one tap

[opaque crane]

I’m running 3 stamina curios for deadshot on columnus iag

[balmy flume]

No and yes.
HB3 certainly does a lot of damage, but I confess I find the panic click spam potential of HB2 to be a nice backup.

[devout atlas]

dawg atp just play a gunsyker 😭

[sharp epoch]

and HB2 doesn't work that well with surgical

[junior needle]

Hb2 is like a k12 with better armor damage but shittier sights

[opaque crane]

😂 I’ll have to give it a try!

[random cobalt]

oh, i didn't realize there was an MKIII

😦

[balmy flume]

Funny thing is. Using HB3 sights helped me get used to using HB2 sights.

[random cobalt]

wasted a bunch of money

[junior needle]

You get at least 1 stack of surgical on the hb2 with onslaught

Which is 10% crit chance, still not bad

[balmy flume]

Keep your Mk2, get a Mk3, try them both.
Firing rates are VERY different.

[umbral scaffold]

Fellow veterans
... what blessings should i put on....mrreow my weapo... mrrrp meow meow meow mrrrrp mrreoow nyahh :3

[hollow solstice]

what in the world

[random cobalt]

but isn't the 3 alot more viable?

[sharp epoch]

Theres MK I, II, and III. 2 is fastest, 1 is middle, 3 is slowest

[balmy flume]

Werecat?

[devout atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-anime-gif-22841561

so true oomfie

[junior needle]

Felinids

[opaque crane]

Ooo yeah that’s sick

[devout atlas]

I run it whenever I see a Scavenger Vet on my team. Absolutely rips ass

[junior needle]

3 is generally considered the best due to its synergy with surgical and highest one shot potential, but it can also feel like shit for many people

[devout atlas]

Currently trying to get a lawbringer flechette build rolling on my Vet since I've seen some insane horde-clear from it

[balmy flume]

Well…the thing is. HB3, if you charge it out to max, does crazy damage.
But.
On Auric/Damnation, you might find yourself in situations where waiting for shots to charge is impractical, even with the right charging blessings

[junior needle]

Affix bayonet

[dark flower]

hi rogue trader

[junior needle]

Die like a hero

[balmy flume]

Sadly HB3 bayonet attack sux…

[sharp epoch]

HB3 charges super fast with onslaught

[devout atlas]

On an unupgraded Columnus too 💀 since then I've got Dumdum and that other good blessing on it forgor 😭

[junior needle]

Apparently if you have a brutal momentum melee weapon, the brutal applies to the bayonet

[balmy flume]

….wait wut.

[devout atlas]

ayo..

[fathom grail]

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-26539144

[junior needle]

Yeah someone mentioned it before

[balmy flume]

Ello

[junior needle]

Haven’t tested it myself yet

[umbral scaffold]

It is kinda sore getting ppl giving plasma the assail treatement as if it were any better than adsail at its peak. Man

[devout atlas]

writing it down and making a HB3 build brb

[dark flower]

bayonets are melee attacks and get the melee buffs

[junior needle]

But I can shortly

[opaque crane]

Haha, yeah that was just grey! I can imagine the difference with perk and blessing 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[dark flower]

same for weapon bashes

[junior needle]

It’s a different weapon so it technically shouldn’t but...

[devout atlas]

plasma isn't even OP it's insane. I've been running Bolter over it on Auric lately cus it has better boss DPS and anti-shooter

it's good, it's solid

but not broken dawg whatr

[umbral scaffold]

Appart from the cleave it feels litterally like the same plasma ive been rocking since lauch honestly.

[balmy flume]

…I was wondering why my HB2 bayonet stabs were so good against Damnation chaff…(I am running a P Sword so…)

[dark flower]

not everything is toggled off

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-ratatouille-chef-ratatouille-reading-shocked-gif-23517636

[dark flower]

prrrr

[sharp epoch]

i got outdamaged by plasma vet 😭

[fathom grail]

https://tenor.com/view/sushichaeng-stan-twitter-cat-disappear-disappearing-meme-gif-25606316

[ocean spade]

hey im looking to get into using shotguns more, which of the three would you guys say is the better

[balmy flume]

Maybe my gun is tuned wrong or I, admittedly, am not skilled enough, but I do recall times where I wished it was easier for close quarter spamming lol

[dark flower]

bayonets also got buffed you know

[fathom grail]

Should’ve been faster eating all the ammo

[devout atlas]

lawbringer with flechette + scattershot is a horde shredder

[balmy flume]

Ah ok.
But I think the HB3 bayonet attack is still an awkward heavy sword like swing

[umbral scaffold]

A stubber would feel so at home. That and the melta gun though

[balmy flume]

Not a quick HB2 jab

[devout atlas]

make sure to grab Opening Salvo and Deadshot with it

[dark flower]

yeah Stat buffs not moveset changes

[sharp epoch]

At 5 stacks of onslaught your gonna be charging 60% faster, but obviously its not good for run and gun style ofnplay

[fathom grail]

I want a vet kickback that only shoots out smoke grenades

[umbral scaffold]

New subclasse: the puffer

[balmy flume]

That might be it…probably because I want to keep up with more mobile PuGs at times is when I find HB3 a bit immobile

(Say, when you spawn in with 2 zealots and an Ogryn lol)

[strange grove]

if you time it right it can 1shot shooters/bruisers on at least heresy

I have yet to test it in damnation

[sharp epoch]

I'd recommend the columnus infantry autogun or revolver if you want a more run and gun playstyle, even plasma works

[dusk idol]

if you bring no respite and full bore the lawbringer can also be a great special killer, even taking out snipers reliably at 60~ meters

[umbral scaffold]

If you switch and tap plasma it works pretty well as run and gun on elites tbf yes

[balmy flume]

Yea, still need to get around to creating a good solid slug build per say

[fathom grail]

Imagine having to aim

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1BP9kc4DFqwUdn/d1337LETIF58?invite=cr-MSxudGIsMTczOTM4NDQ3LA

[devout atlas]

Full bore works better on Agripinaa if you wanna go that route, make sure you grab Precision Strikes with it as that makes it extremely reliable at popping even Gunners at what would usually be revolver ranges in one shot

[quick burrow]

why did u guys not tell me how great the las pistol is

it turned my game into COD

[junior needle]

Can confirm that the helbore bayonet is at the very least getting the weakspot damage boost from brutal melee weapons

weakspot damage went up

[devout atlas]

It's actually the highest monster DPS on gaze Psyker lol

[dusk idol]

it’s defo for the close range engagements, lawbringer has a relatively tight spread on it though but full bore on gunners and ragers? chef kiss

[umbral scaffold]

It was good even pre patch

[sharp epoch]

Agripinna shotgun is sooo bad, I tried it and never again

[devout atlas]

fair fair, I just think flechette on Lawbringer really brings its horde-clear to a reliable level

[umbral scaffold]

As in actually meta afaik at the time

[devout atlas]

the recent ammo rebalance changes made it quite a lot better

Just don't use it anti-horde

[dusk idol]

this is true, I run the dclaw to cover my horde clear

[devout atlas]

with correct blessings it's basically a semi-auto rifle

[sharp epoch]

I did use it after the buff, but it can't kill a special point blank headshot

[devout atlas]

blessings issue

🤷‍♂️

[harsh merlin]

What blessing do you want on a shotgun?

[sharp epoch]

like what is this a peashooter

[devout atlas]

depends on the shotgun and what sorta build you run with it

[devout atlas]

Did you run it with Precision Strikes? Makes a massive difference

[umbral scaffold]

Blessibg depandant

[harsh merlin]

mind giving us your build? I always wanted to try using the shotgun but I can't seem to get it work

[sharp epoch]

I put it on my revolver build so prob not

[delicate estuary]

is tehre a keybinds config ?

[junior needle]

It's in options

[delicate estuary]

I want o unassign stuff and the keybinds mod keeps resetting after game restarts

[devout atlas]

Agripinaa: Full Bore (triggers on slug shots) + Deathsplitter/Fire Frenzy/No Respite

Lawbringer: Flechette + Scattershot for insane horde-clear

I actually don't use the Kantrael that much even though it's the most popular oops

[junior needle]

Keybinds mod?

[delicate estuary]

yep it allows you to unassign keybinds

[devout atlas]

Change your userconfig off of read-only

[harsh merlin]

What about the talent?

[delicate estuary]

already is

[devout atlas]

likely Flak + Maniac as always, let me check

I'm guessing you meant perk

[harsh merlin]

I mean the character skill tree

[dusk idol]

or maybe skill tree talents

[harsh merlin]

forgot they renamed it

[devout atlas]

uwahhhhh ughhh hhhh
Agripinaa you defo need Precision Strikes
with the Lawbringer flechette build Deadshot and Opening Salvo go hard

[dusk idol]

I run mainly down the middle and then veer off to the left at the end for precision strikes for my shotgun build

[trim marten]

Any full automatic Lasgun recommendations for Damnation difficulty?

[lost dawn]

What helbore do you guys recommend, I rolled a pretty alright mk 2 but it felt mid at best

[sharp epoch]

precision strikes is only like a 10% rending buff its pretty meh

[devout atlas]

Precision Strike does help a lot with Lawbringer but assuming it's a horde-clear build even without the 30% flechette and crit will blast to hell

[dusk idol]

precision strikes is 30% weak spot damage no?

[devout atlas]

you're thinking of Rending Strikes

[dusk idol]

lmao I thought

[sharp epoch]

too many strikes 😭

[devout atlas]

anyway i gtg bath

fr fr

gtg baiii

[keen sleet]

Dont drown 👍

[devout atlas]

oh and for ability I'd go shout or infil

exec stance can work for Agripinaa

[harsh merlin]

let's see if it work for me lol

[keen sleet]

Blaze away 3 or shattering impact 4 replacing volatile 4?

[nimble hazel]

Mmmm maybe neither. I'd replace the perks on that one.

But probably Blaze Away, unless you want to help your team cronch bosses

[velvet wraith]

in bolt gun we trust, (regular damnation, assassination)

[ruby fulcrum]

Perks to elite/maniac will go a longer way than replacing blessings imo

[delicate estuary]

has anyone else noticed a bug with the wrist doing a weird flip when vaulting over objects when you are using the desert outfit cosmetic that is currently available at the store ?

[velvet wraith]

so can this game give me a 370+ columnus mk 5 tho cause I really want to try a god rolled colum mk 5

is this any good?

[umbral scaffold]

very

[wooden oar]

Rampage > Slaughterer or ? (Powersword 6)

[hexed shell]

Why does "low profile" lock out "for the emperor" ?

[zenith vector]

low roll flak and efficiency means that if you dont get a good blessing on the gold upgrade its prolly worthless ... also mg12 is inferior to 1a now

[harsh merlin]

Any recommendation for blessing or perk I should swap?

[midnight mortar]

Where are they in the tree?

Windows key + shift + s lets you take a screenshot you can paste here on PC.

[cedar reef]

is it possible to complete resupply allies after i hit level 30?

[midnight mortar]

The penance is still bugged, so no.

[ruby fulcrum]

Middle bottom, and thr other is an option off of infiltrate

[midnight mortar]

Sounds like they just don't have enough points to spend then?

[plain heart]

No, its different

"For the Emperor" is a party buff skill where you shout more damage into your party guns

[midnight mortar]

Oh is it tied to the shout?

[plain heart]

Low Profile makes you lose threat

so you cant both shout more power into your party's guns AND be less threatening

[plain heart]

Its not, you can have Infiltrate and For the Emperor at the same time

[zenith vector]

you also cant run shout and stealth at the same time ....

[plain heart]

just not the Infiltrate's "Low Profile" modifier

[midnight mortar]

This is why I was hoping for a screenshot since the tree shows when an ability would lock another out.

[zenith vector]

ohh taht for the emperor

it thought u meant duty and honor when you said for the emperor

[midnight mortar]

@hexed shell There's your explanation.

[zenith vector]

nobody takes the endpoints in vet tree though

they area all garbo

[forest maple]

maximum garbo

because we have so many nodes to reach the bottom

[midnight mortar]

Yeah the final talent nodes are garbage for Veteran.

[forest maple]

for some reason

[plain heart]

The right side isnt for a Infiltrate Melee veteran

[zenith vector]

tahts not the point ... the point is that all endpoints are bad

regardless of your build

[plain heart]

yeah this is what I'm talking about

[zenith vector]

the only one that even closely could make sense is the marksman to hit a break point

but even then its still bad because of the point cost to get there

[zenith vector]

its still a bad talent though

the only reason to take it is if you go all the way for trench fighter anyways and got the points left to get it

[hollow solstice]

If you pair it with a shotgun or a close ranged weapon, and VOC it's fucking nasty

[zenith vector]

the actual reason you get it is because you take the 25 toughness in front of it

[serene bough]

I feel like VoC should just spec into for the emperor

If you had to choose between one or the other

[zenith vector]

i dotn deny that ... but im pretty sure i can find you a host of other talents to take instead that you would get more consistent use out of

the real reason to specc down the right tree is trench fighter

[hollow solstice]

Even then, if you pair it with infiltrate, you have 60% damage boost when leaving stealth lol

or wait no

[zenith vector]

and the only reason to get close quarter is because you did taht and youre already down there and have 2 flex points left

[hollow solstice]

bad math

but you get the point

[safe flower]

Most builds would forfeit a huge amount of utility for a 5s damage buff that's just not worth it.

I'd rather take a nade talent than it.

[zenith vector]

and this applies to all 3 of the endpoint talents

[safe flower]

They'd be great if they were all running for the entire duration of your skill.

[zenith vector]

this would make marksman actually good to take for volley fire ult and give me a reason to go down the left tree past precision strikes at all

[safe flower]

But 5 or 10 seconds makes no sense, especially with executioner's, slightly less with VOC but still

[quick burrow]

is the 1a teh best inf lasgun now

[hollow solstice]

Well if you're playing something like Auric hi shock, tactical awarness is gonna make your ability proc super fast. Even more if you take ability cooldown on your curios

[quick burrow]

nice

[manic badger]

The bottom nodes aren't necessarily bad its more so that you sacrifice so much shit investing to get to them

that it makes it not worth it

[safe flower]

It's really strong rn. Not sure if it surpasses the 12 in raw damage or breakpoints but it sure feels better.

[quick burrow]

mobility dump stat on the 1A i assume rofl i jsut got a 380 but dumped is stab

[harsh merlin]

I agree with that

[zenith vector]

which is why the right one is the only one that could arguably be taken without too much hassle ... the other 2 justh ave way too much bad talents in front of them to be worthwhile the investment

[hollow solstice]

Legit the only time I have gone for Close quarters kill zone is for my melee shotgun vet, shit goes dumb

[zenith vector]

you can easily get away with a low roll stability on the inf lasguns

just take it into the psyk and see how it feels

[safe flower]

I think middle actually has good talents.

Some very core for vet too.

[manic badger]

you can dumpstat mobility or stability on the MG1A if thass what you are talking about

its fire rate is slow enough the stability means basically nothing

[zenith vector]

with rending strikes nerf its hardly worth it now to go past confirmed kill / iron will now though

[safe flower]

Eh, I'd argue comp urge is okay

But yes, I wouldn't go past that

[zenith vector]

i asctually think out of the 2 born leader is the better one xD

[safe flower]

If it would work as intended then yes

Unless they fixed that

[quick burrow]

dang bricked

[zenith vector]

i mean you could keep flak and reroll efficiency ... ghost aint thaaaaat bad

[safe flower]

Better than opening salvo for sure lmao

[strange grove]

lol why worry about talents when the whole tree will get reworked

[safe flower]

Cause that's potentially weeks out?

[quick burrow]

flak maniac reroll eff to ?

[safe flower]

Headhunter

[zenith vector]

keep flak and ghost reroll the other two

[zenith vector]

i think headhunter is only worth it if you go deadly accurate aswell

[safe flower]

Problem is no other blessing works on its own

[serene bough]

Would agree if VoC wasn't so spammable

[zenith vector]

you could run ghost + the supression thingy

[safe flower]

DA has too little base crit, infernus won't work, so..

Headhunter is the one that works best standalone

[serene bough]

I mean, I would also take nades, but im just saying between For the Emperor and Close Kill Zone

[safe flower]

Close kill is the tdr one no?

[zenith vector]

the right side one

[safe flower]

Or is that the right tree one

Nvm then

Was gonna say close order drill is like one of the best vet talents.

[zenith vector]

close quarter kil zone ... its actually the most okay of the 3 since you dont have to totally gimp yourself to get it

[slow spade]

yeah even the +25 toughness node is actually pretty good

[zenith vector]

trench fighter is really good and the node between the two is +25 toughness

[safe flower]

Fair.

I should probably try a right side build. Never have gone past bleed.

[gusty sonnet]

The more I think about it, the more I think the biggest nerf veteran got since the talent tree was to give the option to opt out their ammo passive for 3% damage.

[safe flower]

Truu

[slow spade]

melee vet is super good with the new power sword

[safe flower]

And 3% being the middle node. Not survivalist

[zenith vector]

3% damage is not even close to worth it to give up survivalist though

[safe flower]

Cause those 2 points hurt

[slow spade]

even the 75% damage resist got replaced by Voice of Command lol

[gusty sonnet]

That's what I'm sayiing, can you say that to my teammates too, please?

[safe flower]

Factually I feel like damage would even make more sense on the left tree cause it's a selfish tree

[slow spade]

3% -> 30% damage

hire me Fatshark I'm a balance god

[serene bough]

vet tree has too many no brainer perks to take which is the biggest issue with the tree

[safe flower]

3% needs to be a 10% weakspot damage aura

Presto

[slow spade]

well that and they're all at the bottom lol

[dusk idol]

imagine trying to play veteran without confirmed kill

[serene bough]

cant think of a build that doesnt go into the bottom half of squad leader bc of Bring it Down, Tac Awareness, etc.

[safe flower]

True

[slow spade]

the biggest challenge for Vet is making a good build that doesn't use the middle bottom talents UwU

[umbral scaffold]

excuse me what blessings are good on the Headhunter MK7

[serene bough]

a lot of grenade perks + ammo scavanger are the best ones to take for the top

[safe flower]

Middle tree is universally too good to pass up

[zenith vector]

i would also run smoke greandes more often if they werent opposite of survivalist

[slow spade]

the problem is you have no defense stuff until like lvl 20 lol

[serene bough]

if you can find me a breakpoint where 3% damage is the difference between 1 or 2 hits, you're a jerk

[dusk idol]

there’s a bunch of talents I WANT to try but I refuse to give up the stuff that literally keeps me alive in games

[slow spade]

just for you

3% is genuinely enough for me

[serene bough]

you're a bully

[slow spade]

UwU

[zenith vector]

and even then im just gonna not hit the breakpoint and instead gonna get the ammo back that i had to spend more than you did becasue i didnt hit that breakpoint .... while also still giving ammo to teammates

the only time 3% aura could outperform survivalist is if it gave a breakpoint to the other 3 players aswell ... but when is that ever going to happen

[dusk idol]

I think someone said in here more ammo is literally more damage and honestly

pretty fair

[slow spade]

ideally it is

psyker moment

[zenith vector]

TO BE FAIR .... i am runnign Fire Team with the assumption that nobody else is stupid enough to do it aswell and so im gonna have another vet that runs survivalist xD

[gusty sonnet]

Even if you have 2 psykers, it's still miles ahead better than 3%

[slow spade]

I have 2 builds for the same idea

[plucky cosmos]

should i buy it? never used that shotgun

[slow spade]

one with survivalist and one with Fire Team

just so I can cover my bases :p

[safe flower]

Lawbringer is iirc the worst shotgun. Not sure if that changed with balance patch

[dusk idol]

you’ll probably end up having to swap your perk and blessing for it

[frank ether]

all my builds end up investing middle tree, its too good to pass

[zenith vector]

honestly .... auras should just stack with diminishing returns so we dont feel punished for running multiples of the same aura

[slow spade]

3 psykers but they're all gunpsykers UwU

[dusk idol]

imo they’re all even now

[safe flower]

Mkay

[slow spade]

I like another alternative someone said. You keep the basic aura + the other aura

[dusk idol]

after using them in auric they feel pretty even

[slow spade]

so we'd be trading 0.25% ammo regen for 3% damage

[safe flower]

I always felt shotty was more of a zealot weapon but I guess for a more melee oriented zealot they work okay

[slow spade]

which is reasonable imo

[dusk idol]

you don’t keep your .75 ammo regen

I don’t

think

right?

[slow spade]

I said alternative

[zenith vector]

also ... we need smoke grenade buff

[slow spade]

ideas for how to make auras not feel shit

[safe flower]

Easy idea. Make damage aura a thematically more fitting weakspot damage

[slow spade]

agreed, I like how XCOM made smoke buff your teammates through stims in the smoke

[safe flower]

Lift it up to 10% like psykers elite damage, done.

[umbral scaffold]

would you guys dabble in this or nah?

[slow spade]

helps your team even if melee enemies

[zenith vector]

buddy and mine had the idea that they should turn the vet auras into his keystone ... like bring back old demo team and lock it into fire team for example

[dusk idol]

oh yeah true

that’d be nice

[frank ether]

that would be more interesting but not if its gonna result with monkey paw style future nerfs to stuff like precision strikes

[slow spade]

tbh idk why they didn't do that. It feels like it'd be easier to balance imo

[safe flower]

Fair.

Make it crit damage for all I care.

[gusty sonnet]

old demo team + ogryn nuke still sounds too degenerate

[dusk idol]

honestly the lawbringer feels very soldier-y

the range on it feels great and it does decent damage

[zenith vector]

i think making smokes extinguish fire and create a no-fire zone would make it viable vs teh other 2 grenades

[dusk idol]

two shot breakpoints for most of your specials and three to four for your elites

[safe flower]

Eh, fair enough. Being a melee focused build feels vet enough for some people too

[zenith vector]

you owuld have to give up survivalist for it though is the idea

[slow spade]

I was thinking of a way to make it interactive with teammates + address the fact smoke does nothing to mleee enemies

[frank ether]

making smokes extinguish and in general deny fires inside them would be huge

[slow spade]

but yours works too

[dusk idol]

the ol sly marbo yeah

[frank ether]

the whole melee vet thing has premise

[safe flower]

Sorry but if I think sly marbo I see a belt fed braced auto

[frank ether]

I think its smoke grenades and infiltrate to a lesser degree that lets it down

[umbral scaffold]

is the stopping power too low on that gun

[dusk idol]

I just think of Vietnam era weaponry, shotguns, flamethrowers, guns guns guns

[frank ether]

While I still think infil is hot garbage the melee steroids you get from right tree are strong

[safe flower]

Marbo is an anagram for Rambo so.. clearly anything close to an m60

[dusk idol]

hahah true true

[slow spade]

stopping power is huge for guns

[safe flower]

[dusk idol]

don’t forget your knife too

[umbral scaffold]

any boltgun efficienatos in the chat

[frank ether]

melee vet lets me get regular 800k-1m games

[slow spade]

I wouldn't cut corners on Stopping Power

[strange grove]

boltergun, gross

[safe flower]

Well. "knife" aka devil claw

[slow spade]

but that gun is fine if you're not min maxing

[sick pine]

what to change

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-but-its-fun-reef-blower-spongebob-gif-11939331

[strange grove]

that it is tho lol

[sick pine]

god roll right almost

[slow spade]

ah ok I was thinking it was that gun

[safe flower]

Every fiber in my body says infested damage

[slow spade]

but yeah stopping power is basically your damage vs everything armored

[safe flower]

But also reload, but also that shitty t2 blessing

[frank ether]

I'd swap perks on it personally

but then again the blessing

[umbral scaffold]

i figuredbut the 80% damage is nice

[slow spade]

so Stopping Power is huge if you want to use it vs specialists and elites

[sick pine]

into what blessing

[velvet wraith]

this is a bricked bolter don't dump plasteel into it

[frank ether]

like your revolver has a reload perk and a questionable reload blessing

that wont do

[slow spade]

yeah that gun is fine and would work well though

[safe flower]

Good question. Not sure which blessings are meta on revo

Surgical is decent I'd assume

[slow spade]

its just that the stopping power is likely low enough to make some enemies take 1 more shot to kill

[frank ether]

both right and left vet trees have reload speed at the very top so pick your poison and dont take reload perk or speedloader is my advice

[sick pine]

if u dont know its fine

dont recommend cause ill just ignore it lol

[sweet whale]

Vraks Mk VII is fun sniper gun. Could gamble on what blessing you get.

[slow spade]

thankfully bolter has Collateral which is basically shit

[sick pine]

someone said revolver was op though

[safe flower]

But that infested damage needs to go, probably for flak or maniac.

[sick pine]

i mean strong

[umbral scaffold]

yeah im not gonna bother with it. That boltgun is decent except damage a bit low

[harsh merlin]

oof

what's the ideal perk and blessing you want on a bolter?

[umbral scaffold]

Collateral bad on bolter? How?

[wooden oar]

Surgical + handcannon is top notch.

[slow spade]

bolter will still hit max stacks with Pinning Fire with low collateral

[simple acorn]

do i add my cycler and momentum to this powersword y/n?

[safe flower]

The one that automatically presses X when you get one.

[fallen geyser]

Is stability needed on a laspistol?

[slow spade]

Collateral is basically only Stagger so Bolter is fine without it

[umbral scaffold]

but high collateral means I can kill more enemies per shot?

[velvet wraith]

keep rampage, add cycler and replace unarmored to maniac imo

[zenith vector]

does hand cannon still apply to melee hits?

[umbral scaffold]

oh thats lame. Fatshark should buff the boltgun. Seems like a crap weapon

[safe flower]

Absolutely.

[simple acorn]

why not momentum?

[slow spade]

inspect Collateral, it SHOULD be only stagger and not touch your AOE

[frank ether]

Its just got power creeped

[safe flower]

Bolter is probably one of the worst weapons in the vets arsenal rn

[slow spade]

but I haven't checked since Patch 13

[fallen geyser]

Which has the best stats?

[slow spade]

Recon las guns say hi

[umbral scaffold]

well it needs fixing either way. Its too fun to use

[frank ether]

I mean I find it boring personally but fun is subjective

[safe flower]

Exhibit a for sure.

[velvet wraith]

you basically want shattering and pinning if you're CQB. as for perks you want carapace/undying and maniac or carapace and undying

[fallen geyser]

Tah

[frank ether]

also have to see what keystones will look like for vet

[harsh merlin]

what

[safe flower]

Las pistol has somewhat little recoil to begin with.

[frank ether]

so no point getting headaches over what doesnt work rn

[velvet wraith]

you're not hitting any notable changes with +25% unarmored, momentum is good but your perks are mid

[frank ether]

chances are the entire vet meta will change

[harsh merlin]

ty

[frank ether]

cause keystooones dun dun dun

[safe flower]

I was making a play at boltgun being broadly disrespected as a weapon and you rarely find good people playing it seriously.

[frank ether]

I'd just bank some plasteel and dockets from now lol

[slow spade]

yeah collateral is a dump stat

ignore it for Bolter

[fallen geyser]

ah shit 😦

[umbral scaffold]

lame

[fallen geyser]

Hadron hates me

[slow spade]

such is life

[terse idol]

Need surgeon

[slow spade]

I mean Ghost isn't bad

but yeah Speedload is basically useless

[harsh merlin]

sorry that flew over my head, didn't know the boltgun got that much hate lol

[safe flower]

Not saying they shouldnt buff it cause it's such an iconic weapon and an obvious noob trap, but as it stands, bolter is a noob trap.

[simple acorn]

guess its back to rolling for perks then

[fallen geyser]

surgeon?

[frank ether]

this thing with infernus/raking becomes very fun for infil vet

[umbral scaffold]

speedload is okay witrh plasma but thats it

[simple acorn]

I swapped it to maniac at least and got cycle

[terse idol]

Can Las pistol get surgeon?

Its that one blessing that makes it so you get %crit chance the longer you aim down

Just helps gurantee crits

[gusty sonnet]

it cannot.

[fallen geyser]

best i've got is dum dum

[terse idol]

[safe flower]

Pretty sure Las needs dumdum and something

[frank ether]

dumdums fine too

either raking or dumdum I'd say

[safe flower]

Or both.

[frank ether]

depending on your gameplay

or both sure

[gusty sonnet]

laspistol is dumdum+whatever

[frank ether]

why not actually

[fallen geyser]

so that would leave me being able to change one blessing

perk*

[safe flower]

Pretty sure it can get ghost tho, also not the worst when you just whip it out for the buff real quick

[frank ether]

I mean if you dont get it its not the end of the world ghost is fine

[fallen geyser]

20% flak is ok i guess, maniac for the other?

[gusty sonnet]

ghost is legit, yes

[frank ether]

blessings are just enablers for the specific playstyles you have in mind

I would worry more about perks

since perks can make or break guns

[safe flower]

Flak and maniac is usually the best combo for all purpose weapons.

[frank ether]

^

sometimes unyielding is nice aswell

[simple acorn]

depemnds on your breakpoints

[frank ether]

but generally flak/maniac is a safe bet

[safe flower]

Well, once I finally get my decimator 4 on my shovel I'll be building my 1a

[frank ether]

I got it and I kinda dont like it imma be honest

it takes 10 hits to stack

miss once and stacks are gone

[safe flower]

What else would I get

Thrust?

[fallen geyser]

is there a dum dum 4?

[frank ether]

Idk honestly.. it all kinda meh

[safe flower]

I mean rending is obvious.

[frank ether]

like I think shovel's genuine problem right now is that decimator resets upon missing

[safe flower]

I don't think it's a big problem tho.

[frank ether]

It would have been a lot better if it just lost a stack when you missed instead

[safe flower]

After like 2-3 hits you onetap infected without +damage perks to infected.

[frank ether]

Its fine in meat grinder its totally a non issue

but I watched some of my recording

I got so many resets due to teammate factor

[safe flower]

Kinda hurts I agree

[frank ether]

and resulting experience is

you might aswell use d.claw

because its 100x more reliable

[safe flower]

Was thinking about using take a swing instead. It feels pretty hot.

But shovel has like 0 need to push

[frank ether]

hmm thats the one with weakspot damage on push attack yes?

[safe flower]

Just pushing

Not even push attack iirc

[fallen geyser]

lol nearly identicle but the 500 is better than the 510 O.o weird

[frank ether]

hmm its true shovel doesnt have a huge need for pushing but if its an enabler for good damage

I dont see why not

[valid apex]

Decimator would be better than head taker if it didn’t fall off like that…and would take longer to build.

Would be perfectly balanced.

[frank ether]

its not like your push attack is bad either

its respectable enough to use

[safe flower]

It sure isnt, and pushing is very fast on a shovel

[serene bough]

i never tried the blessing for it specifically

[safe flower]

Mm. Might as well try it.

[serene bough]

pushing granting weakspot damage

[safe flower]

I have a T4 TAS

[frank ether]

I have not either but considering how much I dislike decimator I just might

[safe flower]

Ima try it, see if it does okay

[valid apex]

With shovel you use uncanny, right?

[frank ether]

I generally just prefer weakspot to power anyways

[safe flower]

Cause it's like what.. 40% weakspot damage?

[valid apex]

And then looking for a 2nd?

[safe flower]

Yes

Uncanny is a must

[frank ether]

yeah its too good to pass

[hearty panther]

Take a Swing is 60% at 4

[safe flower]

I can see thrust, deci and take being good

[frank ether]

damn thats nutty

[safe flower]

60?!

[fallen geyser]

aww shame about the damage, might just get it to melt for brutal 4

[safe flower]

Dafug. Yeah ima Take that

[frank ether]

you also get like %30 from precision strikes remember

its gonna scale very well

[hearty panther]

Impressive results with Decimator. The problem is you can't do both with Uncanny lol

[safe flower]

Think after that I might have a near perfect shovel.

[frank ether]

at least on paper theory

I need to go get one first though

and I'm all broke on plasteel aaah

why hadron

[safe flower]

I have one with 25/25 maniac and flak, as well as T4 uncanny so..

Might as well drop the swing on it and see

[valid apex]

Does take a swing only activate if the push staggers?

Or can you push a boss and get it?

[hearty panther]

....not sure

[safe flower]

It doesnt specify so I assume it doesn't need it

[hearty panther]

I think it has to hit something

[valid apex]

That would need tested for sure.

[safe flower]

Yee

[frank ether]

I'd assume your push has to hit something

[safe flower]

Ima test it in a bit

Just on my way home

[frank ether]

I guess the downside to this is you're not getting the consistent cleave help of decimator if you just want to spam heavies

[valid apex]

I can see thrust being good too

[safe flower]

Shovel already cleaves fine tbh

[valid apex]

Weren’t the attacks sped up?

[frank ether]

but as I said deci will just reset if you only miss one and you need 10 fucking consecutive hits to ramp up deci

[safe flower]

Thrust is icky, cause it doesn't stack as fast as the shovel can and should heavy

[serene bough]

good or bad

[safe flower]

I also have deci 3 on my shovel rn and it feels kinda eh

[valid apex]

It’s 20% per stack. But that doesn’t mean you always need to fully torque the thing.

[safe flower]

It takes a few stacks before it gets noticeable

[jagged stream]

@serene bough that can definitely do work

[valid apex]

But WOULD let you do so when you needed

[frank ether]

change melee weakspot with maniac and its good enough till you get power cycler 4

[jagged stream]

@serene bough maybe change to 25 maniac and a lvl power cycler

[serene bough]

ok thnx you two

will do both

[frank ether]

brutal momentum 4 is what you want anyways

[valid apex]

You want maniac on there and then replace cycler 3 with 4 when/if you find it.

[serene bough]

but i need power cycler T4

[frank ether]

so you are good on that front

also dont forget to take precision strikes if you go sharpshooter vet

[jagged stream]

rock it how it is until you get it

[whole moon]

You do but 3 is good enough, 4 is just icing on the cake

[frank ether]

or take the finesse from desperado if you are a melee vet

[valid apex]

Both

[frank ether]

3 will work, 4 is just 2x better but its fine you can make 3 work

[serene bough]

thank you all for the help vet chat

[safe flower]

It's just slightly slower but you're still safe given you can block cancel

[serene bough]

time to dump a million plasteel into finding pcycler t4

[frank ether]

I feel you

[safe flower]

I'd give you mine cause my ps stats are dumb

[whole moon]

I hope the Omnissiah blesses you early

[safe flower]

It has 25/25 and perfect blessings but finesse is at like 40-45

[junior needle]

I wouldnt rush too hard, melk is liable to give it to you as he did to me

[safe flower]

Melk didn't give me shit, ever

I got more useful crap from empy

[junior needle]

I also spent 30k+ plasteel trying to get infernus 4 before the crafting patch and didn't get it

[valid apex]

Sorry to bring this up again but honestly…

[safe flower]

But even his gifts suck dick lately

[valid apex]

Look at EVERY other tree…WHY does vet have 4 travel nodes at the end? I don’t get it.

[junior needle]

And then got it from melk after his shit got buffed

So I may be biased

[frank ether]

yes we know vet tree sucks pearls

[valid apex]

Just literally remove them. Problem solved. Lol

[frank ether]

Can only hope its adressed a bit with keystones

Also hoping keystones will be fun

and not memes

[valid apex]

If we still have 4 travel nodes versus the 2 of others. It won’t help

[safe flower]

Let's hope middle tree keynode is good

[frank ether]

like I dont want a matyrdom situation for vet

[safe flower]

Lmao

[valid apex]

What do you mean?

[elder vessel]

Martyrdom is not memes

[safe flower]

Martyr is aight the nodes around it are just ass imho

[elder vessel]

It is a perfectly valid emperor approved playstyle

[frank ether]

Ehh I dont like it

[safe flower]

Momentum is just the way to go

Or if you wanna do crit memes with chainsword charge, piety

[frank ether]

I guess it works in the context of zealot being zealot

[elder vessel]

every 10% health lost grants 1 martyrdom stack

[safe flower]

As an old zealot main I like them all a little bit. Martyrdom just takes last place

[umbral scaffold]

in practice it works but they you get the other slob heads that lsoe all their hps at the start of the mission jsut to get them

[safe flower]

Mostly cause I'm not a fan of wounds

[valid apex]

So not even factoring the strength of the nodes…which is another issue - check this out!

Nodes
Zealot - 16
Ogryn - 19
Vet - 25
Psyk - 18

[junior needle]

Mhm

[valid apex]

Travel travel nodes

[frank ether]

I guess at least they give you +2 wounds which makes it more tolerable but still my least favourite purely because the idea is against how you should play the game

[umbral scaffold]

vet travels alot, strong muscular legs

[junior needle]

A lot of the actually useful shit is near the bottom

[umbral scaffold]

imagien the thighs on that vet

[frank ether]

and I dislike zealots who just go get downed or jump off ledges to get it stacked

like, whats wrong with you?

[safe flower]

Exactly. You shouldn't play around making your team crumble for going down

[elder vessel]

Add passive that increase very slightly for every travel node taken

[candid bridge]

hoping once vets get keystones those node numbers will go down

[valid apex]

All I’m saying is they could fix our tree tomorrow by removing/consolidating travel nodes.

[dark sorrel]

Vet’s keystones are so boring lmao

[elder vessel]

what keystones bro

[frank ether]

%100 my thoughts, I dont want that kind of keystone play for vet where I make life miserable for my team

[umbral scaffold]

vet's inexistant keystones

[dark sorrel]

Other class’s keystones are literally build defining while vet’s keystones are just “meh do more damage for 5 seconds”

[elder vessel]

what game build you playin

where vet has keystones

[frank ether]

they arent keystones, they are ability modifiers. Vet doesnt have keystones.

[dark sorrel]

I’m playing Darktide 1.2.3.4.5

[dark sorrel]

OH

[elder vessel]

dudes playing Darktide 2

[umbral scaffold]

harhar

[elder vessel]

Darkertider

[dark sorrel]

Holy shit Five Nights at Freddy’s

[frank ether]

The devs themselves stated vet will get keystones eventually, if you've been living under a rock I will speed you up. Rumor is vet originally had gun centered keystones but they were scrapped because apparently it didnt work very well.

[umbral scaffold]

[dark sorrel]

Springtrap

[umbral scaffold]

ohh meow meow meow

mrrrp

[dark sorrel]

Vet desperately needs cat ears

[simple acorn]

excuse you

[dark sorrel]

I’m excused ty

[elder vessel]

vet desperately needs keystones that let him summon felinids

[junior needle]

Yep, according to crab they were pretty bad, though I don't remember if he said in what way

[dark sorrel]

Femboy adepta sororitas cmon

[gray belfry]

im just sitting here hoping they either add in an inquisitor class so they can get saltspyre's VA back, or a skitari that specialises in combat servo skulls

[simple acorn]

need me a shadow clone jutsu for vet that throws krak nades when i throw them

[junior needle]

Only women allowed in the sororitas, you'll have to settle for femboy space marine

[frank ether]

true true I agree with this statement

[frank ether]

where did crab go

I miss crab

[umbral scaffold]

vet needs skirt and tigh highs

[junior needle]

I dunno, I just heard second hand he left the server

[frank ether]

sadge

[junior needle]

Maybe its spawning season for crabs

[dark sorrel]

This is so sad

[frank ether]

I forgot to turn off the pot

[dark sorrel]

Harharharharhar

[frank ether]

its all my fault

[dark sorrel]

I need that Matpat fellow to do a Darktide video

[umbral scaffold]

tbf i dont know if hed be abble to juice mcuh out of darktide as of now, maybe more than at release at least

[junior needle]

I need to somehow acquire a better kickback than I already have

[velvet wraith]

bricked incoming?

[junior needle]

Ouch

The damage and stopping power

That might cost you a few breakpoints

[zenith vector]

no 80% damage and stopping power ... wont let you hit breakpoints

[velvet wraith]

oh ok i wont even dump plast into it then thx

[junior needle]

I happen to be an expert on this subject (I have only ever touched a plasma gun once)

[zenith vector]

you literally need 80% in both

[velvet wraith]

bought it from armory

[upper bramble]

What breakpoints are from 80 80?

[zenith vector]

prolly still worth it to upgrade if you need to hunt for blessings

[velvet wraith]

i'm a bolt gun user so no rush really

what I really need is the power sword blessing t4 power cycler

😢

[junior needle]

Just use a devils claw

[velvet wraith]

🤮

[junior needle]

with rampage and savage sweep it's like a psword for everything but crushers

They're actually good now

[umbral scaffold]

havent touched a devil claw since the update and honestly ? good ?

looked kinda bad

wanted to play chainsowrd so bad ut it felt like dogshit before

[hazy notch]

what would be the best hord clearing weapon?

[velvet wraith]

power sword mk vi

[umbral scaffold]

afaik plasma

🦬

[harsh merlin]

wait for real?

[umbral scaffold]

100 cleave

[simple acorn]

correction* you need power cycler 3/4 for it to be great

[umbral scaffold]

my man'

[harsh merlin]

You are referring to plasma gun right?

[soft solstice]

finally tired out the single shot headhunter, I think the sound on it is amazing but i don't think i'm really sold on it

[umbral scaffold]

yes

[soft solstice]

I feel like I'd rather a m12

[harsh merlin]

now I am just confused, how does that work? you get 100 cleave with a plasma gun?

[umbral scaffold]

plasma gun has 100 cleave

[dark sorrel]

It chunks through shields and hordes

[soft solstice]

the plasma gun can cleave though 100 enemy hitmass worth of targets

[harsh merlin]

ohhh that's what it meant

[soft solstice]

so it'll pretty much peentrate through as many enemies as possible

[little pagoda]

peentrate hehehe

[soft solstice]

i think unless you're shooting 20 crushers with a single shot, it'll go through every enemy hit and do like full damage

[zenith vector]

buddy did it in the psykh you can oneshot 20 maulers in a line

[umbral scaffold]

my buddy eric once did this

[zenith vector]

i watched my buddy do it .... its true

i even saw his peen when he did it

[umbral scaffold]

wow

[little pagoda]

peentration

[frank ether]

its just the best gun to have if you're looking down a corridor

[zenith vector]

you can look down my gun if you catch my drift

[soft solstice]

speaking of, how does piercing through enemies work with las guns? because sometimes in the psykh I'm able to have my shots hit 2 people, and sometimes it doesn't

[frank ether]

wow u said the funy word

[blissful fractal]

If you arent wearing steel legion drip, are you really that drippy looking?

[zenith vector]

its all about them clown panties baby

[frank ether]

I think helbore can pen through one at least

[little pagoda]

he said it first

[simple acorn]

w-what if we touched tips with our plasma guns >_<

[umbral scaffold]

dpends what armour you hit

[frank ether]

I was able to pen through friendly ogryn at least

[umbral scaffold]

if its two unarmoured amybe if you hit first with flak might not come out the other end

[soft solstice]

i notice that the las rifle and pistol can do it sometimes

[frank ether]

👉 👈

[serene bough]

Pls no

[umbral scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1126551131615670315/1146023329065599056/IMG_3313.gif

[simple acorn]

w-w-what if we vented our plasma guns together? >//////<

[frank ether]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1119630083611705566/1129366467008270376/ezgif.com-gif-maker51.gif

[soft solstice]

it can pierce through 2 groaners but that's it, not even though poxwalkers

[frank ether]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807809192537882647/1107298118803931317/attachment-19.gif

[dark sorrel]

Do you guys think they know what FNAF is in the grim darkness of the future?

[umbral scaffold]

doubt, but everything arround the 80s-90s is assuredly canon s its when the franchise popped out tbh

so if aliens the movie exists ? probably ? etc

is 55% finesse on mk4 devil claw too low

[zinc nest]

You guys think aripinaa IAG should be run with salvo blessings or shit like dumdum/fire frenzy?

[zenith vector]

for vet? its fine ... pretty sure 50%+ gives you max dodge limit

[soft solstice]

finesse doesn't effect dodge i'm pretty sure

[zenith vector]

nvm thought you said mobiolity

my bad

[midnight bluff]

Mobioliolity

[bright ocean]

Would this be worth grabbing off Meilk? I haven't heard much about the Mk1 Helbore though.

[soft solstice]

as long as you can hit 5 dodges than htat's fine, but I feel like everytihng else on a claw is something you want

[umbral scaffold]

oh so it sucks

[zinc nest]

probably not, bricked stopping power 2 bricked perks, 1 bricked blessing

[umbral scaffold]

as always...

never get a good mk4

[soft solstice]

i think it can work but finesse I feel can be a bit rough ot lose, your crowd hits are all headshot level though you should be doing enough daamge anyway to eat trash without it, it'll probably only matter against single target but I assume you'll be fine

[bright ocean]

So Helbore just sucks all around, check.

[whole moon]

With the Hellbores it's counterintuitive but Stability is the dump stat as the thing is steady as a rock anyway. That being said it looks fairly decent but imo too much to change on it for a Melk purchase

[zinc nest]

nah, the item linked sucks

[umbral scaffold]

ah so not ideal either way.

[feral jetty]

hi vets how the heck are we all doin

[soft solstice]

i don't use hellbores that much but that looks like a fair one, blessings I think are good so just replace perks

[umbral scaffold]

is Cleave Targets s dump stat?

[frank ether]

on power swords

[whole moon]

I thought I'd won an argument with the Mrs tonight but turns out she played the long game and wore me down
We decided to compromise
We did it all her way instead

[soft solstice]

i don't know how much of a difference cleave target makes, the sword gets a ton of blessigns to buff cleave but you still want aws much as possible

70 seems more than good enough

[umbral scaffold]

what about the mk4 devil claw

[frank ether]

cleave targets doesnt affect energized afaik so its dump for powersword

probably somewhat important for d.claw but I'm not sure

[feral jetty]

dayum

[frank ether]

I never used a claw roll with bad cleave targets

all were 70+

[sharp ember]

it sort of matters on devil claw but a cleave blessing solves that problem like instantly

[umbral scaffold]

are mystery acquisitons worth spending melk coins on

[frank ether]

nah

usually you get absolute garbage

[whole moon]

https://dt.wartide.net/calc/
This can help you work out all manner of things, damage categories, cleave profiles, breakpoints, activated Vs non activated etc

[zenith vector]

only if you need to hunt +3 stam curios

[umbral scaffold]

im just so sick of getting crap mk4 devil claw swords

[soft solstice]

half of claws blessing buff the cleave so I think it'll be fine

[soft solstice]

you haven't acocunted for the fact that i'm dumb as hell

[frank ether]

all the shops are designed as timesinks that make you check regularly, its disrespectful of your time and you dont need godrolls to beat this game so take my honest advice and dont worry about godrolls

[soft solstice]

yeah, it's not too difficult to get something good enough

[umbral scaffold]

heres what it looks like

[umbral scaffold]

yeah good point

[soft solstice]

get something good enough, and then you can start on working for a perfect weapon, but getting something good enough is enough to have fun with

[ebon umbra]

only do it if you just want the rng release

its like finishing a game

[frank ether]

My d.claw has like 50 finesse or something, finesse is not a dump stat but I simply do not care to fix it

[zenith vector]

thats totally usable if you get decent blessings / perks on it

[umbral scaffold]

is the one I just showed better than the one earlier thaat had 55% finesse

[umbral scaffold]

ah okay - what blessings perk would u say?

[soft solstice]

obtaining a perfect weapon is good thing to help keep you playing but it shouldn't be the only reason you play the game. I'm having a good time playing but if it wasn't for farming challenges and checking the shop everyday, I'd just be waiting for new classes or maps to come out

[frank ether]

I mean this looks pretty fine to me

[frank ether]

this is also ok if you put some cleave blessing on it

[umbral scaffold]

dam i scrapped it

[frank ether]

you'll still have to deal with hadron rng anyways

so my general advice is just dw about it, keep a lot of grays

grind lots of plasteel

[umbral scaffold]

i wish damnation gave more gold. 20k is not even 2 gray weps from armory...

[frank ether]

upgrade like 4-5 and use what works

[umbral scaffold]

Plasteel is easy to come by

[cold mason]

Easier to chase curios than weapons if you need to check something off your darktide todo list

[soft solstice]

it's easy to find but you need to find a ton of them

[frank ether]

I do a lot of aurics with my bf

the grind doesnt feel that bad when you have a good team

cause the game is fun

[zenith vector]

just speedrun auric maelstroms for that 80k in 5 mins

[frank ether]

its even more fun with people who are also fun

you'll swim in dockets if you already have a fun loadout