#gameplay-help

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icy crater
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Does bells cause their health to scale or anything else?

icy crater
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Do you know much about the details?

lime idol
icy crater
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Ay nws thanks tho for this info Now I just gotta find a few other insane people who wanna try their luck

vocal nacelle
latent pine
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is auric 4 harder than normal 5 diffculty

vocal nacelle
latent pine
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i thought it was like
hard
ultra hard
super hard
super ultra hard
type of ordering

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glad to know i was wrong

hard goblet
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Auric simply adds modifiers that change things like the proportion of enemy spawn types, how often they spawn, other environmental conditions, etc.

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So it's not a direct increase in difficulty necessarily, since things like enemy HP and general patrol presence/spawn numbers are dictated by the difficulty level (Heresy, Damnation, etc.).

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But Hi-Intensity modifiers can give you somewhat of a taste of what the next step up in difficulty could be like, though not 100% representative.

vocal nacelle
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difficulty chart is something like this :

rigid wasp
vocal nacelle
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KEKW_ogryn im still typing it

smoky ember
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i found having a knife zealot with chorus was pretty strong, you can keep Rodin from throwing mines for a good bit of the fight, along with generating gold toughness

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one of the usecases of chorus

vocal nacelle
# latent pine glad to know i was wrong

heresy -> hi int heresy -> hi int shock heresy -> auric hi int heresy -> damnation -> hi shock damnation = auric hi shock heresy = auric hi int damnation (debatable) -> auric hi shock damnation

from easiest to hardest

there's separate category for maelstorm KEKW_ogryn

cunning torrent
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is there a looking for group channel

cunning torrent
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thank you

lime idol
smoky ember
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though i did it with shred chainsword

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for faster cdr

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tbf i also did this like forever ago

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i kinda wanna rerun it

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see how i do

dire barn
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Anyone ever load into a qp lobby and have their equipment switched out with another loadout BUT you kept the talent tree of the build you do choose?

I don't me loadouts aren't saving or that an entire different loadout (equipment + tree) is switched, just the melee and ranged (and presumably curios) are switched.

turbid dock
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If you swap loadouts too quickly before you get dumped into a lobby wonky shit happens

dire barn
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Maybe that was it? I did pick the loadout before hitting qp, but it put in a lobby RIGHT away. It was kinda fun, getting a some what random build tho.

vernal plaza
dire barn
vernal plaza
dire barn
restive quarry
scenic night
# restive quarry

I don't even have that, everything is as usual apart from the text about global power malfunction at mission terminal incl no power outage in missions?

restive quarry
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Strawhat just on the issue everything else seems fine I can get into missions and what not and I see all other event info

restive quarry
scenic night
restive quarry
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Yes as I said everything is working as intended but I don’t have the challenges

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What’s the first tier reward for the challanges I’ll do a low level one and see if it’s registering the challanges and just not showing them

torn cargo
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How to play the new event?

restive quarry
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Strawhat I’ve checked it’s an Xbox thing not a game thing

fresh prairie
# restive quarry

Sorry it took a minute to get a reply from the devs because it's past hours in Sweden. It is meant to be there.

restive quarry
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No worries

fresh prairie
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Yes, it seems to be an Xbox thing based on what you said. Would you be able to submit a ticket? I am going to chase this more in the morning.

restive quarry
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It’s from quick resume doing quick resume things, you load back in totally fine but you need to reset the game to update the hud I’m assuming is the issue somehow

fresh prairie
restive quarry
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Resetting my game fully got it yeah

fresh prairie
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OK great, good to know!

restive quarry
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Which is strange because everything but the tracker was there and working as intended

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But yeah it’s just a quick resume issue, closing the game fully and reopening it sorts it

chilly oyster
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How worried do I need to be about this new enemy?

zealous dome
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Not much once you see it

flat spruce
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Where does the enemy show up on each map?

quick remnant
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It take a monster slot

flat spruce
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Or is it tied to certain difficulties

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Ah

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I wish some of the stuff that's on pc with mods were on xbox

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Like seeing allies ammo, damage charts

chilly oyster
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I also saved 3 krak nades for them and ruined them lol

calm nymph
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Do we have to play terror in the dark to progress the event?
No auric missions? Only standard?

calm nymph
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Awful

signal gate
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rinda needs buffs anyways, nromal damn is fine

calm nymph
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What's the point of the global condition?

calm nymph
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She gets nuked each time she pops up

zealous dome
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Should've been Hard Mode Rinda

keen summit
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how do i get long bomb?

vocal nacelle
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throw from the 2nd floor at the gate

dense tulip
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Like, to an auric level

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or close to it

keen summit
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thx

calm nymph
dense tulip
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I feel like they wanted everyone to play together, since it's the event and all that

dawn pond
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this normal?

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and does it actually work even if it says this?

vocal nacelle
dire barn
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Updates commonly break the tool tips.

sweet harness
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idk if this is 100% the right place to ask this but could i get some help completing the "Just a Flesh Wound" penance? it's proved to be quite a challenge & i don't really got a dedicated team to really assist

fallen terrace
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If anyone knows how to get the skulls i would greatly appreciate help finding them. i need about 4-5 more but will be happy with any amount of help youre willing to give. Thanks

icy crater
unkempt wraith
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I have a question: what's the best refinement on pickaxe?

unkempt wraith
vocal nacelle
young umbra
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LF a squad to assist me with the "On Overwatch" penance

turbid dock
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Mods only just tell you if the totem proximity sound is playing but it's better than nothing KEKW_ogryn

fallen terrace
icy crater
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I'm on rn :P

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clinically online

fallen terrace
fallen terrace
icy crater
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was in auric mission sorry for wait

fleet cargo
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Anyone want play I have no friends on this I em lvl 5 0907372430

fallen terrace
icy crater
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Yo is the quick work penance still bugged?

vapid dew
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no

icy crater
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then why no worky

boreal nimbus
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What happens when you collect all martyr skulls?

icy crater
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u get penance points

boreal nimbus
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Oh sick

sour pulsar
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Dude what was the "terror in the dark"? Just played a mission with that modifier all i noticed different from a normal assassination mission was rinda karnak

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Is she supposed to be the terror in the dark? If so thats disappointing not scary at all, was expecting a carnifex or something

tiny tapir
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terror in the dark = rinda + light out

hard goblet
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Same vein as the "Good ol' plasma gun" post.

sour pulsar
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Damn thats wack af

honest beacon
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is there a fix for 3013 yet cause i baught this game when it came out was able to play 1 week and then i couldnt

covert dawn
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um excuse me obesefish but why is there ammo in my no ammo mode?

honest beacon
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@covert dawn at least you can play....

vocal nacelle
vocal nacelle
honest beacon
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...i dont know how to do a vpn ive never had any porblems but but only with this game @vocal nacelle

vocal nacelle
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Open cmd

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Type this "ipconfig /flushdns"

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Restart pc

covert dawn
raw moss
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anyone have any really uncommon knowledge tips? like really niche info that you cant just come across ingame

little coyote
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dodge sliding will use two dodge 'counters'

vocal nacelle
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Branx pickaxe can ignore bulwark shield if you heavy attack on top of the head

zealous dome
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You can hold jump to mantle while midair

rigid wasp
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So let me pull some gamer shit

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The classes have different stamina regen delay timers, with psyker being the shortest at .5s, zealot sitting at .75s and veteran at 1s

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Pushes work on a 360° radius

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The dueling sword, combat axe and tactical axe special attacks stun ragers

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Critical hit and weakspot damage perks only affect the extra damage, meaning if you have 100 base and +50 of crit, adding 10% crit damage would add 5 from the 50 instead of 15 from the total 150

icy crater
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Get your tier 4 blessings from melk before weapon mastery gets introduced

rigid wasp
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Automatic weapons have crit strings, which is a mechanic where they do a couple crits in a row instead of just one

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Cleave and armor abort are two separate mechanics, and even if you can cleave a crusher's mass, the armor abort cancels your cleave just like it does with the bulwark's shield; the perfect strike blessing removes the armor abort and allows you to crit swing through carapace and bulwarks

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Weapons have varying critical hit rates on base, even those that don't have critical bonus as a weapon stat

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Laspistols are one of those, and they have a base crit of... 15%, I think?

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The veteran's out for blood talent on the top right works for any kill, including ranged

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Psyker's kinetic deflection is based on the psyker's stamina, meaning stamina curios increase the damage KD can block

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Mr. Stark, I'm tired

raw moss
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ty @rigid wasp

wanton seal
rigid wasp
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How could I actually have forgotten that

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It's like the one thing I keep complaining psyker doesn't have more of

sinful summit
# raw moss anyone have any really uncommon knowledge tips? like really niche info that you ...

the knife also has the extra 15% crit chance, and to compensate for crit chains, automatic weapons actually have a lower than normal crit chance
tac axe special can also stun mutants mid charge
combat blade has a special inspect where they do a knife balance trick, vet grenades have one where they spin the pin of the grenade around their finger, ogryn grenades have one where they shake the grenade box before opening, all have a random chance of happening
the values for light and heavy damage on the rashad axe for maniac are mixed up in the code, so you deal much more damage with lights and much less with heavies against ragers and mutants (spaghetti code)
inexonerable judgement on zealot also grants dodge buffs per stack, despite not being listed in the tooltip
the stalwart node of blazing piety for zealot also grants 2.5% extra toughness per kill while piety is active, also not displaying in the tooldip
just like blocks and pushes stated above, the devils claw parry also works 360, as it is considered a block, this also means block weapon and curio perks affect its stamina use (also will use peril with kinetic deflection)
it takes less than one second to get someone out of a net, and yet none of my teammates ever fucking do it even when theyre right next to me
both the flamer and purgatus staff apply 1 extra burn or soulblaze stack if the hit that applied it was a crit
coherency toughness regen does not actually function if there is an enemy near you

turbid dock
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🧙

zealous dome
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A downed Ogryn can be used as cover

raw moss
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Damn so much small info. Very handy thanks peoples.

storm mesa
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Greetings people hailing from Terra! I am a deaf gamer, and I shall keep it very short. Do you know any software that would light the side/top panels of the monitor up as a soundwave effect depending on how loud a given sound is? This would help if something approached from directions as hints for a handicapped like me. It is not a request, more like a "do you know if there is a software that can do it" kind of question. Maybe it would be considered unsanctified and get me banned.

vocal nacelle
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KEKW_ogryn well only for specials tho

storm mesa
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That's neat if that is the case. Is it allowed to mod the game? Sometimes shooting games have strict policies regarding modding. Perhaps it is permitted in Darktide as it is not a PVP game?

vocal nacelle
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yes its allowed

patent field
vocal nacelle
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most mod is client side visual only

storm mesa
vocal nacelle
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directional radar

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can indicate :
Barrels
Bursters
Crushers
Daemonhost
Flamers
Grenadiers
Hounds
Maulers
Mutants
Rager
Sniper
Trappers
Tox Bombers
Backstabs

storm mesa
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It is worth investigating how to mod the game. Thank you for the suggestion, I bet it will only help me further than not having it ❤️

patent field
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In the settings there are also text indicators like when a net is gonna catch you

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In the spidey sense one

vocal nacelle
patent field
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Personally i think if you are using like all of the spidey senses settings and you aren’t differently abled you might need a skill issue check

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But its nice to see this mod be used right

vocal nacelle
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i use other mod not the spidey sense, dont like the clutter

storm mesa
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Giving me something that can shoot is like a real mon-keigh going bananas. I am bad at shooting, but I enjoy Warhammer in general. I played Vermintide 2 for many years, I just stepped into Darktide as my PC can now handle the game. Generally, FPS games are s struggle for me, not just due to my disadvantages, but also because aiming 🙈

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Thank god I have chainsaws!

vocal nacelle
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thumbsup_ogryn ogryn dont need aim

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or psyker

patent field
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If your good your range weapon is just an accessory to kill that distant special

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Melee is as viable as ever

storm mesa
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That is also how I utilize ranged weapons.

patent field
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So the kickback shotgun, and the double barrel, and the braced autogun dont use sights in case you dont like sights like i do

storm mesa
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I will use my pepperspray and teaser thumbsup_ogryn

torn cargo
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I've seen these on Silo Cluster. Any info regarding those fancy armors?

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is it new? has anyone posted it yet

quick remnant
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Been there since launch

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They're Water Cartel Enforcers

torn cargo
zealous dome
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Most of them are dead 💀

worthy comet
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Are they called water cartel because they sell fresh water around the corner of hab blocks

quick remnant
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Well depend on the meaning of sell, fresh and water too I suppose

craggy minnow
fluid sand
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Power Supply Interruption (lights out) doesn't occur on Hourglass mission, does it?

zealous dome
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It would be funny

fluid sand
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I think hourglass get ventillation purge though

quick remnant
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Don't think it does either

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They could introduce a Sandstorm modifier

zealous dome
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Lights Out could work on it since some sections are indoors

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But I guess that would take more work

fluid sand
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Ya, but only like 1/3 of the map would be indoors and applicable to lights out condition. Might just be more trouble than it'd be worth, but I could envision it.

quick remnant
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Could have the mission set during the night

dire barn
# storm mesa It is worth investigating how to mod the game. Thank you for the suggestion, I b...

I think so. A lot of the mods are accessibility or quality of life mods. Many people specifically use the Spidey Sense mod because audio cues just don't play sometimes.

After every update or file verification, you'll have to turn mods back on.

As for aiming difficulties, I feel you. Psyker have some not-good-at-aiming friendly weapons like surge staff, purg (fire staff), and their blitz (green row on talent tree). The only thing is, staves have wide scaling. So they are pretty bad at low stat rolls; the worst for that is trauma (which is the first staff that you unlock). Luckily you get access to assail pretty early. Assail carries hard in lower difficulties and is one of the not-good-at-aiming friendly options.

molten pawn
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Question: for this special event's progress, must I look specifically for the Terror In The Dark modifier, or any mission counts?

molten pawn
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Well, I have my answer: only Terror In The Dark counts.

chilly oyster
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Does any salvo blessings work on revolvers? Reading how salvo works and what weapons it can be on I’m confused

hard goblet
chilly oyster
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Oh I read that salvo is for weapons that have a continuous fire, like burst weapons or full auto, not single shot

lime idol
chilly oyster
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My pysker has substained fire 3 and trick shooter 4 on it

storm mesa
# dire barn I think so. A lot of the mods are accessibility or quality of life mods. Many pe...

Maybe I have placed myself on a hill I cannot get down from 🙈
For 13 years I have used Linux, and I have modded plenty of games in the past which has either been like "drop these files from here to here" kind of stuff, or directly through Steam's Workshop system. Darktide is not unplayable without mods, far from it, I just wanted to have the benefits in case there were some, which the mods seem to offer. As a true Drukhari I am, embracing death and misery in Darktide will be glorious regardless. So far I have managed to play for 225 hours, I am not that new to Darktide 🙈

steep trail
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do you have a higher chance of getting T4 blessings when consecrating to orange than just blue?

storm mesa
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But I am happy that I know there are mods in Darktide, I did not think of it. With time I shall investigate if there is a sneaky way of adding it on my weirdo OS.

dire barn
dire barn
# steep trail do you have a higher chance of getting T4 blessings when consecrating to orange ...

If you look through older posts with "higher chance t4", you see some mention that going from purple to orange does have a higher chance of getting T4 blessings; but you'll find that more people say that higher ratings have higher chances at getting T4 blessings. The rating thing was said by people some whom I find knowledgeable of this game.

I don't personally know nor seen these confirmed. My own experience is that I have more often gotten T4s on oranges than on blues; but that's a single experience.

green pier
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is it worth buying anything from melk before you hit 30?

zealous dome
green pier
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good to know, thanks

signal gate
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the odds for crafting/consecrating specifically is all based on the weapons Base Modifier score, which at level 30, ranges from 300-380, the closer to 380, the more likely (but not guarantee, it is just weighting) it is for a weapon to upgrade into a t4 perk or blessing

fringe crescent
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What is the best / fastest way to level up as a new player?

icy crater
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get carried by friends

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They can pull u into auric 4s

icy crater
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You'll probably die a lot but that is always an option if you can endure the stress

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Otherwise keep doing missions with special conditions and secondary objectives

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And if you're able to try and do the current maelstrom, sometimes simple sometimes hell but the xp reward is usually worth it

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For example all lvl 4s (without a shocktroop gaundlet cause I didn't have one)

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I also recommend not really messing around with upgrading your weapons as you'll quickly out pace your current ones within a few levels and have to buy new ones anyways

atomic ferry
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I honestly recommend stock damnation if you’re around level 19+ but if you’ve never played beyond malice (3) then consider heresy first

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Heresy is basically the difficulty that teaches you the yes and no’s of typical Damnation+ gameplay

icy crater
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Maelstroms almost always pay more than the highest damnation and I think the lowest level they can be now is Malice/3

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If you're not that fussed about min maxing your leveling and just wanna play I highly recommend just hitting quickplay it's like +20% xp and 10% everything else

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You could also learn to fight the twins for a lot of xp...

fringe crescent
icy crater
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Get carried by friendly people

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

sinful summit
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this is a normal malice missions xp

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this is a damnation missions xp

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this is the current damnation maelstroms xp

smoky ember
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i have so many weapons with a 3 and then 4 level blessing

signal gate
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and i have plenty of 4 then 3s (today especially trying to get puncture 4)

smoky ember
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maybe my luck is just that consistent but idk

vapid dew
smoky ember
sinful summit
smoky ember
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why did u make the smiley face so big

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like that

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i don’t understand you u freak

dusk barn
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300% happy

steep trail
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is that mission name acronyms?

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oh nvm it's maelstrom missions

rigid wasp
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How do people remember this stuff

shy stone
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Surely they must be looking them up, right? wtfgryn

vocal nacelle
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i like CIVI and 3 veggies

fringe crescent
tepid zenith
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what are god tier perks and blessing for this right quick ?

smoky ember
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blessings ur gonna want high voltage and skullcrusher

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perks i think u want flak and

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idk what else

signal gate
calm nymph
signal gate
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zealot can get impact from the talent tree for skullcrusher (punishment, hammer of faith, grievous wounds), so falter isn't needed. meanwhile you could go falter+skullcrusher on vet and psyker, you'll max out your skullcrusher value but you still give up a blessing slot

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with the existence of high voltage and lightning reflexes, there is little reason to ever run falter

oak egret
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I think I just unlocked/claimed the "ministorum missionary" title from the penances, but I appear to have received "ministorum seeker" instead. Is this a known glitch or is the reward mislabled?

signal gate
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sounds like a mislabel

grim hemlock
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is good?

patent field
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Buy it

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Then scrap it for parts

hard goblet
tepid zenith
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thank you sorry for late reply been watching satuff all night

fallen terrace
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need two players to help with warren-19 penance. thanks

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Quick Work penance

coral violet
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can pox gas spawn on the regular board?

patent field
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Yes

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If you mean regular levels then yes

crystal lake
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yo does Ogryn's Towering Presence perk work both ways with coherency? like does it allow me to reach other's coherency 50% farther or is only my coherency farther?

coral violet
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its your aura that touches others so its kinda both ways

icy crater
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Pretty sure they were discussing that not too long ago in ogryn chat

minor dawn
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I am trying to understand the itemization system. Have they mentioned anything on turning in unwanted weapons to Hadron for a benefit or are they scraping the donation all together?

serene latch
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was there an update or something that screwed up the FPS? I used to have 100+ with DLSS on and Frame Generation, now it's like at 75 max

inner flicker
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Why are my talents getting reset in my loadouts? I was just playing my zealot earlier today, and then when I hopped back on, I realized I was playing with 30 unspent talent points. I hadn't modified that loadout at all since my earlier game.

stoic locust
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You have to close your inventory after doing your tree

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I have a similar issue

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If you switch to the weapons or cosmetics tab it resets you

inner flicker
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Oh

steel wren
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I've seen people asking about bricked or not, and I wanted to show my current setup, but can't share the screenshot, is there a role limit or such?

rigid wasp
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Yeah, the red role is eventually granted and then you can post images directly

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I think you can post them on Imgur and then link here tho

steel wren
vocal nacelle
steel wren
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Yeah eventually (hope that doesn't mean 6 months down the line...)

sinful summit
mild sky
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is there some mod or other way to get alt-keybinds for actions? so i can bind 2 keys to the same action, while still having a separate individual key.

trying to save my fingers when playing long sessions

dapper shard
mild sky
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awesome, that looks perfect! will try it out

lime idol
brisk arrow
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Are the last 3 special events. (powerful enemies in the dark) relating to the special missions only?

dapper shard
brisk arrow
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oh gotcha. ty!

dapper shard
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As far as I can tell there should always be at least 1 mission with said modifier, for each difficulty level from Malice to Damnation

brisk arrow
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so i could run it on a low dif just to rack up the numbers quicker?

dapper shard
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Yep.

brisk arrow
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lovely

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oh

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but

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usually

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those dudes

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smoke bomb out

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do i actually have to kill them before that?

quick remnant
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Nah them leaving count

brisk arrow
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excellent

fallen terrace
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need two players to help with Quick Work penance. Thanks!

ornate stag
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are auric damnations practically identical to normal damnations with the right modifiers?

smoky ember
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so to answer ur question, no

ornate stag
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kk thx

rapid galleon
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can anyone help me on where the power cell for comms plex 154/2f is supposed to go

rapid galleon
zealous dome
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Canon event for all Darktide players, carrying power cell to the extraction

fallen terrace
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looking for 1 more player to do the Quick Work penance

signal gate
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in auric

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the director will never go below "standard" for the players and is more likely to slip into "fuck these players in particular"

spring fjord
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i need a group for malleus monstronum its the last thing i have befor im 100%

gusty whale
signal gate
gusty whale
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suddenly it starts to make sense that auric with good teammates is somehow harder than auric with less experienced and less killy teammates

ornate stag
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or when two people die we get hit with a boss and an ambush at the same time

signal gate
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a bad team in auric is going to get wiped and a truly good team at this point can just, kinda still steamroll auric.

rigid wasp
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Auric with a good team is, like

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Heresy-tier

slow roost
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I played a game today where all 4 players where smite psykers

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Beast of nurgle spawns and we did no damage and all died

vocal nacelle
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lmao

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just stab the pimple with duelling sword

slow roost
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The pimple vores me

sinful summit
slow roost
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That's

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Wow I had no idea

gusty whale
sinful summit
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There are actually unique debuff icons for both

sinful summit
# gusty whale directly, or does contact with the snail trail count?

The yellow one with a 1/2/3 count (times you've been hit) is the vomit one and is a movement speed debuff (if you're at x3 count your days cuz he's faster than you now)
The purple one is the trail one with a small speed debuff and corruption over time but it's only when you're standing in it

gusty whale
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💀

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bonbon is such a massive annoyance

vernal plaza
hard fiber
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Are there any general tips or guides on the crafting/item system?

vocal nacelle
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If you want really cheap and more reliable crafting, wait for next crafting update

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If you dont want to wait, but a decent base stat weapon in armoury or melk

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Upgrade from grey to blue and check in here

hard fiber
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When is next update?

vocal nacelle
hard fiber
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Ok

vocal nacelle
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Pick your darts and throw it on the calendar

hard fiber
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I was just looking to get a decent build for now

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For my psyker

quick remnant
fluid sand
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Probably one of the best resources out there

sinful summit
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gameslantern builds are always hit or miss
for everything decent on there theres 5 more that makes you wonder if the person has ever played above uprising

rigid wasp
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Fextralife at home

dire barn
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A lot of those builds are bad and sometimes actual jokes. Like the uploader was making a funny.

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I do recommend going to class specific boards and asking about builds.

rigid wasp
rigid wasp
rigid wasp
rigid wasp
signal gate
steep trail
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does infernus 4 really make that much difference in damage compared to infernus 3 on the recon lasgun with dumdum?

void forge
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Yes as the blessing level also affects max stacks

rigid wasp
gleaming mantle
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new awesome looking update around the corner, and chances are they still havent fixed the Xbox servers. ridiculous that the Xbox version has been nearly unplayable for nearly a year now

signal gate
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It’s likely a hardware specific issue, and the engine communicating with the server that is fucked

gleaming mantle
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maybe not the servers specifically then, but the Xbox version has been scuffed nonetheless

signal gate
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Hope it does get fixed tho

minor dawn
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Why does everyone want a useless end of game stats report. It obvious what class will be on top of each stat.

coral violet
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see how well some equipment does compared to other stuff you're using

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was surprised tac axe wasnt total trash when i decided to try it on vet

minor dawn
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But you can test it out in the psy

dire barn
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It's different in the meat grinder vs the chaos of a mission with other players too.

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Some things need the AI active as well.

queen parcel
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I got the same problem did you manage to fix yours?

gleaming mantle
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some of the people asking for it may have good intentions, like measuring their performance, but it doesnt take a genius to know it would be used toxicly far more than anything else, and encourage players to play for their stats more than with their team

coral violet
gleaming mantle
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an end of game stat screen wouldnt even be very helpful in all truth. the missions alone can vary so drastically from game to game that your stats wouldnt really tell you much, let aline how your teammates change from game to game and how their performance and builds influence yours

void forge
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A well formatted stat screen can measurably improve your gameplay and understanding of the effectiveness of certain builds. Just to name a few ways; you can check how often your talents activate, what your average crit chance and weakspot was, and if you see someone over or under performing you can check their build to improve your own accordingly

gleaming mantle
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except a leaderboard cant really account for what the director does, or for what your build is good at. while a well infirmed and well intentioned player may be able to parse out these sometimes large differences to benefit their build, the vast manority of players are either not informed enough, not well intentioned, or simply dont care enough, to parse out the reality of the scoreboard they see to make good decisions from

so we have to ask ourselves: is it for the overall benefit of the game experience to encourage elitist and judgemental players to be even more of that, and to encourage hyper optimization of builds with a system that cant communicate if you've actually achieved that or not, all so just a few good people can be somewhat better informed? the kinds of players this would benefit can already measure the power of their builds through moment to moment gameplay, no scoreboard required, even if it could provide reliably actionable data

signal gate
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there should be a personal scoreboard

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it doesn't have to show you the other players stats. henceforth making it less elitist

sinful summit
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i think a scoreboard that only shows you your own stats as a means to gauge how well youre doing makes no sense

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because there are 3 other players whos actions directly have an impact on your own stats

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if the 3 other people are just simply slaying the fuck out way harder than you are, you may see your own stats and go "wow this build is bad" when in reality you were just failing to compete with team of omega-gamers, after all, you cant deal damage to things and kill them when they are already dead

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its the entire picture that allows you to gauge the performance of your gameplay and build, not just exclusively your own output

smoky ember
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scoreboard mod is pawesome

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still dont know if scoreboard or powerdi is more accurate

gleaming mantle
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exactly. a monster of a build that's slow to get to the action or to gather momentum will suffer statistically when paired with builds with worse damage, but higher speeds, as long as the action doesnt get so heavy that they cant keep up, which that possibility varies from game to game because director just goes apeshit sometimes

but you can feel this problem just in gameplay. you can feel that "hey, I cant really keep up with the speed my team is clearing stuff at, but when things are thick enough for me to get in the action I wreck." a scoreboard cant communicate that

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much like how a scoreboard in a hero shooter cant communicate that the support has low healing output because they're getting flanked constantly and not receiving help from their teammates

vocal nacelle
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chadgryn only look at revive stat for scoreboard

smoky ember
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the only example i can thing of something ramping up in combat would be slaughterer

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but even then that builds fast enough it’s not an issue

gleaming mantle
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that was a somewhat weird example, but every build can be overshadowed by others, especially ones with any level of reliance on teammates. a smite or trauma or dome build on psyker for example is inherently somewhat team oriented, and you're going to lose out on damage and kill count numbers as a result, and if situations dont get hectic enough to warrant smite or dome often you may find yourself with low smite or dome numbers because the abilities are inherently oriented towards "oh shit" situations

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so even if a scoreboard can accurately portray solo influence, that means that it will encourage players to NOT use team oriented skills

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and to run off alone for stats

smoky ember
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i guess i get what you mean but like

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idk how to word it

gleaming mantle
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we see this happen in pretty much every game with a scoreboard, almost every game with a scoreboard has created more toxicity as a result

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and almost never actually caused players to try and improve

smoky ember
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the only time i see toxicity with any level of consistency is malice and heresy

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i think it’s just bad players are toxic, and use a scoreboard to justify it

gleaming mantle
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that comment wasnt durected towards specifically Darktide, which doesnt have a scorebiard btw

smoky ember
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yeah i know

gleaming mantle
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a scoreboard elevates and encourages toxicity though nonetheless, in almost every form one can take

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and they rarely contribute any meaningful data to do something with anyways

sinful summit
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even the scoreboard alone doesnt tell the full story

gleaming mantle
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only game that I feel like got scores reasonably well is Exoprimal, a game few have played. it didnt give you stats, you just got old school score based on how much you did, and it isnt perfect but it's about the closest I've seen to a semi-accurate depiction of a players contribution to the match

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and it doesnt tell you what was contributed either, so you dont get to flame players on specifics either

sinful summit
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if someonehas terrible damage overall but fucking nails it on the boss damage, checking what they have would be a good idea
and oh would you look at that, they were running a boss nuking build with the thunderhammer, so the build excelled at its purpose
in this example it would also be good to keep in mind that there is a player with that build on your team so you dont beat yourself up for not having great boss damage, cuz someone else had a build to deliberately fuck them up the instant theyre on screen

gleaming mantle
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which also: sometimes the director doesnt even give you a boss, and other times it throws 4 at you before an assassination staregryn

sinful summit
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the numbers and loadouts tell a story of how the game went, and its up to you to look through those numbers in relation to each other and what the team was running as a collective to put that story together to judge your own preformance

gleaming mantle
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which putting that responsibility in the hands of the player is precisely the issue. it's a decent addition for the right players, but for most it's a net negative

smoky ember
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bad players r always gonna be bad, scoreboard doesn’t particularly affect that

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i don’t think a scoreboard is really a bad thing to have

gleaming mantle
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it encourages toxicity

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it gives players something to blame others for

smoky ember
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they’re always going to find something to blame someone for

sinful summit
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but it also allows you to instantly shut down someone whos trying to flame you
the psyker starts talking shit about your damage compared to his
you can easily point out that his damage is inflated because of his purgatus staff burning up everything in hordes, and that you have been shutting down all of the specialists that would otherwise interrupt the psyker from doing his thing, and refer to the specialists/disabler stats on the board, showing that the stats make sense with the events of the game

gleaming mantle
gleaming mantle
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massively

sinful summit
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scoreboard or not, assholes will still yell at you for whatever reason they deem appropriate

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even if they have irrelevent numbers to back it up or not

gleaming mantle
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of course but a scoreboard gives them ammo

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without a scoreboard they have to make their own

sinful summit
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ammo that they can just make up anyway

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thats not going to do anything to stop the behavior youre talking about

gleaming mantle
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and if you provide that ammo, people who otherwise wouldnt make it are encouraged to use it cause it's right there anyway

smoky ember
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i think we should all kiss and be friends

gleaming mantle
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I'm not saying not having a scoreboard eliminates toxicity, heavens no that's impossible. but we can avoid encouraging and arming that behavior

sinful summit
smoky ember
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lmfao

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true

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sinful summit
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hell remove matchmaking

sinful summit
smoky ember
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idk

smoky ember
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ur moms house

gleaming mantle
smoky ember
gleaming mantle
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doesnt work for every game, but text and voice chat arent essential features. not saying Darktide should replace them, but might be worth considering for an hour or two

sinful summit
smoky ember
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100 plasteel per text chat

gleaming mantle
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lol

sinful summit
frail arch
sinful summit
gleaming mantle
smoky ember
smoky ember
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hate.

gleaming mantle
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I had someone like, hit on me while I was clutching calling me a sister of death on zealot 😭

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shit was weird

smoky ember
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cole had a reddit post made about him

sinful summit
# smoky ember REAL LMFo

also in that first one i dont think i will ever pull off anything close to as hard as that revolver spin and hipfire at the start

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in my life

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i peaked at that moment

frail arch
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niche micro internet celeb

sinful summit
smoky ember
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cole is our niche micro celeb

sinful summit
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the 100 updoot reddit post solidified it

gleaming mantle
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worst in general often times but, you know thumbsup_ogryn

sinful summit
smoky ember
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that was kinda on you

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oh

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wait

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no

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nvm

sinful summit
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the shotgunner pushed me back into it fumble

smoky ember
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u got shotgunned into it lmfao

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yeah

gleaming mantle
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trappers are the worst

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maybe gunners

smoky ember
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i’m fine with every enemy in the game except tox bombers

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other than that

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i’m fine with them all

gleaming mantle
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I'm fine with almost every enemy. if it has a gun though I probably hate it. gunners are so untelegraphed and unreliable to defend against

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it's basically just play cover or die. in a high risk, ultra difficult horde shooter. those dont mix.

smoky ember
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gunners i only hate when like

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3 of them spawn behind me

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and just shred my toughness on psyker

gleaming mantle
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doesnt work half the time

sinful summit
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thats the first time ive heard someone say that for this

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like sure you get nicked every now and again
but your nowhere near swiss cheese any time you do it

gleaming mantle
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sliding is the only somewhat reliable one but you literally cant be sliding at all times and gunners can stun you and once you're stunned you cant do any of those things so you kinda just die until they miss

sinful summit
gleaming mantle
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I'm pretty confident they can, but first I'm hearing of that so maybe. regardless they're inconsistent to avoid. not every situation while getting shot at allows you to just slide forever either, so you need to have altenerate options, and dodges/sprints dont cut it, and sometimes they just flat out ignore suppression, or suppress you so hard you cant suppress them back. and sometimes they're in too many directions to even take cover. they're just bs. not completely so, but by comparison, gunners are bottom of the barrel when it comes to fairness in Darktide, and the only competition is trappers

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and dont get me started on those doors where you exit an area changing door and there's just hundreds of gunners and little to no cover staregryn

sinful summit
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you can still be knocked back by gunners when you have toughness, the most noticable being reapers, but a quick dodge to the side will get you outta that instantly
something of note is that thy wrath be swift on zealot completely removes all stuns and knockbacks that arent caused by stamina breaks or something that flings you
something also important is enemies themselves are cover, enemy shot cannot go through others, plus gunners cant really do anything but piss and moan if you reach them, so you can literally make closing the distance via sliding at the right angle the method of dealing with them

gleaming mantle
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a quick dodge does not always work, it's unreliable. thy wrath be swift is Zealot exclusive, and also out of the way for most builds. enemies can be cover, but often you dont want your back to a horde so you're always exposed from somewhere that a gunner is not unlikely to take advantage of. and gunners can very, very much keep shooting you or even start shooting you at kissing range, let alone how far out they can hold you behind cover, which in some areas makes approach impossible when they arent reloading, and if there's enough gunners they'll never be reloading

sinful summit
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oh yeah also
dont rely on suppression
its just so inconsistent

gleaming mantle
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well with so few other options, I'll take something that is more reliable than a coin flip

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sliding is still best, but not always applicable

sinful summit
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the quick dodge is also purely to get you out of basically the repeated knockback combo so you arent basically stuck in place by it
in terms of actually dodging the attacks, you want to be sliding for all ranged fire

gleaming mantle
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suppression, as long as you can actually hit near them or them directly, is next mkst reliable, but also not always an option

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especially depending on build

sinful summit
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i cant honestly remember the last time ive ever needed to use suppression
i honestly forget it exists cuz i never need it

gleaming mantle
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again gunners arent completely unfair, but compared to the rest of the game which is so extremely fair under almost every circumstance it's almost a fault, gunners stand out like a placeholder texture

gleaming mantle
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and it's reliable. the question is if you have the opportunity to shoot back or not. which is more frequently a no than just sliding in my experience

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and costs ammo, so for Zealot and Ogryn it's pretty costly, but they also have charges

sinful summit
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zealot also has second wind in their tree which can essentially completely nullify any damage recieved when sliding around bullets

signal gate
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How is dodging unreliable?

smoky ember
gleaming mantle
# signal gate How is dodging unreliable?

only against gunners. the iframes dont always prevent you from getting hit by gunners since they dont last the whole movement. still a much better chance than doing nothing, but it's a but if a coin flip. at least shooters and shotgunners shoot in bursts though instead of constantly. it's mostly the elite gunners that have these problems

stoic locust
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If gunners are this much of a problem run some gunner resist

gleaming mantle
gleaming mantle
stoic locust
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Run more I guess, if the usual tactics for dealing with them (slide spamming, using side dodges to close) aren’t working than I guess get some better sniping weapons

gleaming mantle
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I dont go too crazy with it, but I do try to have additional defenses against them than other enemies since everything else is more dealable with skill alone

gleaming mantle
stoic locust
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Not really in my experience

stoic locust
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They aren’t really terribly unfair, they just apply pressure against staying in the open and not dealing with them if there is little around to stab

smoky ember
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while shooting they have suppression resist

gleaming mantle
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they're still very fair compared to most game's enemies, but compared to Darktide enemies they're very notably less fair, and require mechanics that are often not actually necessary anywhere in the game, like sliding

smoky ember
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unless u stagger them or are using a particularly high suppression weapon (brautos i think) it’s not worth it

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and again, you may as well just shoot them and stagger them

gleaming mantle
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sliding is good beyond gunners, but it's only necessary against them

stoic locust
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Sliding also find use in extending dodges for low dodge distance weapons (ogryn guns or other slow ranged weapons like staves) and keeping momentum while charging heavies

gleaming mantle
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ye but that's my point. gunners are designed in such a way that the best tools against them are quite limited, vs most enemies where you can utilize just about any defensive tool against them

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and mostly just because the other tools simply arent reliable against gunners. like sprinting, half the time they just shoot you anyways and cancel your sprint

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even if you're going exactly perpendicular to their firing angle, which isnt terribly realistic once there's more than two enemies with a gun anyways

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if they just didnt have stun or pushback at any point there wouldnt be much issue, but they do

little coyote
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+1 to sliding, very easy to avoid getting hit with it

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but fair, it is also rare to not get hit even once from a full auto gunner spray in a bad spot

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but toughness is there to soak that damage up

smoky ember
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i just don’t know which to trust

queen parcel
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Since whe i have ovenproof with power di both are really close if not the same on the numbers

void forge
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Well powerdi is made by ovenproof so I would hope they have similar outputs

queen parcel
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Only time its not the same is when i crash/desync

viral goblet
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hey does anyone know how to fix a problem of not being able to join the lobby as one class and having no issues with other?

warm arrow
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good evening everyone, anyone who would help me to get the malleus monstrum penance please?

vague marten
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what is this icon ?

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this was the only dude with this icon and the rest had none

dapper shard
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This icon indicates that they are in coherency with you

vague marten
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that showed up is in the end of the match

sinful summit
icy crater
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It's meant to be the symbol for a strike team

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As for them being the only ones having it idk

rigid temple
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Anyone know what this does? It's on a foe-rend mkII ripper gun

little coyote
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Special attack to cause brittleness on the target iirc

rigid temple
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Been awhile since I played, but I'm getting some heavy intermittent frame stutter - is there a setting I should specifically disable to mitigate this?

little coyote
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some updates re-enable rtx so that's usually the prime suspect

rigid temple
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I see. Well I'll try to see if slapping everything on low does anything

warm arrow
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stupid malleus monstrum private game necessity -.-

deft forge
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Can someone explain the itemization update does it mean we'll get to pick and choose what perks/blessings we want as long as we level up the branch of weapon?

vocal nacelle
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@thorn hornet

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this is powered push attack on chaos spawn head

thorn hornet
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Also what's the build

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I doubt I'll be able to hit it on the head easily as much as those uglyass freakazoids flop around so much but ill give it a shot

signal gate
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Gotta aim for the mouth

void forge
# deft forge Can someone explain the itemization update does it mean we'll get to pick and ch...
void forge
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Oh yeah didn't even notice I linked a specific comment, just copy pasted the link KEKW_ogryn

signal gate
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These gbog weirdos either didn’t get bullied enough or they got bullied too much in school

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I have no idea how you type such dramatic shit out unironically

dense tulip
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Does Situational Awareness penance count team's barrel kills or just your own?

sinful summit
void forge
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well the fire ones count if you kill an enemy with the 1dmg explosion KEKW_ogryn

dense tulip
smoky ember
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revolutionary writer

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“you are a coward wearing the facade of a revolutionary”

fluid sand
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Anyone know the numbers on the various gas effects in game? Seems like they are each different (Pox gas, dreg bomber, karnak disappearing fart cloud) the pox gas and environmental tox gas in orthus offensive might be the same effects.

vocal nacelle
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i think pox nade and gas modifier have same mechanic

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karnak mine delete toughness instantly

idle mason
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is the game stutter badly today for anyone else? yesterday I was playing fine but today it was almost unplayable every 10-15 seconds

astral cave
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All class base stats in one place, I whipped this up for easy reference, credit to games lantern

signal gate
astral cave
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hp/toughness values check out

shy stone
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Vets also used to get twice as much toughness from melee kills

fluid sand
topaz magnet
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In Auric Damnation, I always feel like I have more than enough horde clear, but during crusher/bulwark rush I run out of options as psyker so, Deimos for Crushers or....Assail maybe?

patent field
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Dueling swords special is good for stunning elites

rigid wasp
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Assail does nothing to carapace

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Your best bet on psyker is likely dueling sword 4

wheat karma
vocal nacelle
coral violet
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also throws bulwarks off balance in 1 hit if you manage to sneak it through the shield when he swipes his mace

wheat karma
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🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿

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on damnation I can 1tap everything aside from the twins in the game, thanks again for telling me the mod name

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turns out he has 40k hp not counting the shield

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one of the captains that is

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the things that live is a captain, plauge ogryn or crusher on damnation. Mind you its without any other bonus from any other team m8 or skills. Just the stealth and marty.

vocal nacelle
wheat karma
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Does not matter. Captions only die to back if head shot. Twin does not matter either way, but back headshot still does more

tepid ridge
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Hi guys. Do I have to roll guns at lvl 30 or it doesn't matter?

signal gate
celest jetty
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Is there a way to see all my unlocked blessings?

dapper shard
celest jetty
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Alright ty

fervent moss
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Is sprint efficiency or stamina regen better?

coral violet
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regen

grave ocean
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Can someone tell me how dogshit my current build is

stoic locust
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Extremely

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There is something wrong in every image

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The shovel is 0/4

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the lasgun is 1/4

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You probably shouldn't be running a wound

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Tox flamer and bomber DR is terrible, corruption resistance does very little

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and most of the weapon spec subtree is useless, and doesn't work well with your weapon at all

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most its giving you is ROF and loading a few shots

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Exploit weakness is very weak compared to +25 toughness

grave ocean
stoic locust
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It has 0 out of the 4 things you want

grave ocean
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Ah

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Can I show my other guns and weapons so you can tell me which to use with an ideal build?

stoic locust
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Sure

grave ocean
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Alternative melees

stoic locust
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You got like

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3-4 good weapons in there

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The mk 13 chainsword

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the bolt pistol

grave ocean
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Yeah I've just been using the lasgun and shovel because I have no fucking clue what I'm doing

stoic locust
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the plasma (kinda)

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the boltgun

grave ocean
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The boltgun and XIIIg chainsword are my highest rated

stoic locust
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Rating doesn't really matter

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only primary stats and perks+blessings

grave ocean
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Okay

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If it helps here

stoic locust
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Roll elites or maniac over specialists on the chainsword

grave ocean
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Gonna do that now

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Is there a build I should be using btw

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Now you know my armoury

stoic locust
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Depends

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None of this besides bistol is really conducive to weapon specialist

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Bolter is far to slow on the draw to get benefit

grave ocean
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Yeah it's why I've been using the shovel and lasgun. Almost always get a kill praise voiceline when I swap from las to shovel vs an infested horde

stoic locust
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Not exactly the best measurement of success

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I would recommend running that chainsword with the bolt pistol

grave ocean
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Correct it's why I am only just now asking for help with my build

grave ocean
stoic locust
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Nope

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Give me a second

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This retains all the main components of the build

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Well except for fire team but are you really going to miss that 5%

smoky ember
grave ocean
stoic locust
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Lay into stuff with that chainsword and swap to bistol for popping specialists or elites before going back to it

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It can handle carapace quite well in my experience so use it in combination with rev'd attacks to deal with crushers and maulers

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Frags to make windows to do things or as an emergency CC button

grave ocean
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I am become discount zealot Destroyer of bastards

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Thank you strange woman

stoic locust
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Just tested it should be able to get a 4 shot on crushers

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3 crits and anything to finish

grave ocean
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What difficulty did you try

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I'm used to malice so that might be why I was doing OK with my sellotape and pva glue build

stoic locust
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Damnation

grave ocean
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So heresy should be manageable on controller with this amazing

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Ty so much

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I love how all this my actual most optimised build was a fucking commisar.

stoic locust
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Easy 3 shot on crusher with 2 crits

grave ocean
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Gonna try it myself with my stats rn

stoic locust
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you can even hit 4 shot with only 1 crit

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This hits 1 shot on everything except ogryns and ragers without crit with my stuff

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1 shots ragers with crit

grave ocean
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Yeah I'm getting 4 shots to the head max to kill

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This is wikd

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I'm gonna try a heresy game with this let's see wtf happens

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Ty again

graceful badge
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what are the best perks/blessings for the Godwyn bolter pistol ?

stoic locust
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What class are you

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and what do you want to use it for

graceful badge
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I'm on Thunder hammer zealot , just something to close gaps with effectivly

sinful summit
# grave ocean Yay actually good talents

An alternate thing to try is pathing through close and kill and take agile engagement with most of the other talents being the same, maybe taking kraks to path there better

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It's a more melee focused build but it's awesome

grave ocean
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I'm just glad my current gameplay is no longer "run at the enemy with a shovel"

magic sigil
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what perks should i put on chainswords?

signal gate
lime idol
signal gate
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since zealot is more likely to be using it in CQC

lime idol
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might as well run&gun then

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remove sprint to fire delay

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not sure if puncture changes any breakpoints for zealot

restive cedar
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anyone have any advice on getting the standup and fight penance i seem to only be making very little progress over several missions

zealous dome
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If that's the one about shouting as vet

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Gas missions

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Stack toughness

restive cedar
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😮

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That's fucking smart

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Thanks bro

smoky ember
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repeat

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pox gas is also good

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i got mine just using dreg bombers

vital oasis
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Out of curiosity, when trying to do damnation missions, should your gear be at the level for auric or no?

dapper shard
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Define “Auric level gear”. Also, probably not.

vital oasis
dapper shard
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Nope. You don't need that for Auric, either, but it can help.

dapper fractal
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Does anyone want to help me do the malleus monstronum penance?

smoky ember
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good players could run a damnation auric with grey weapons without too much difficulty

sinful summit
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weapons where the ideal blessings are just "more damage" you can live without cuz you can just play well and not have to worry about the thing in front of you taking 1 extra swing to kill
though certain but very few examples of blessings either make or break a weapon, such as brutal momentum on combat axes, or blessings that directly synergize with your talents, like a crit chance blessing on a class build thats leaning into crits

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but those are far and few between, majority of stuff ends up being "good enough"

wispy sierra
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when breaking a heretical idol does it count for the whole squad for the pence or just the player who broke it

quick remnant
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whole

wispy sierra
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thank

pearl wraith
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Guys can you load into an account on a fresh steam install?/diff computer

void forge
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Not sure what you mean. If you just got steam you will need to buy and install the game. If you own the game and you got a new PC, just install and play the game?

pearl wraith
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Yeah I’m kind of quoting my friend since he lost discord and his pc so he’s trying to download it on his uncles’. The problem has been solved now tho so yeah but thanks anyways!!!

crisp nacelle
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Is the only differences between the tactical axes the move sets?

zealous dome
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Basically yes

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The consensus is that the Mk2 is the one you should use

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But that doesn't mean the others are bad

rigid wasp
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Mk7 has some stronger lights

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Frankly I'm surprised people choose mk2

subtle frigate
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what does this do?

quick remnant
subtle frigate
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thank you

queen parcel
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does macroing m1 reload on staff to shoot m1 fasters bannable or no?

dapper shard
queen parcel
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aite ty

graceful badge
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What's going on with this sword?

dire barn
wooden hazel
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guys which mods help me to find idol?

dapper shard
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Collectible Finder, I think?

dapper shard
wooden hazel
wooden hazel
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any meta build for zelon and ogryn?

vocal nacelle
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Anything works honestly

smoky ember
# wooden hazel any meta build for zelon and ogryn?

i don’t play ogryn, but zealot has a few different builds that can be really strong, it just depends on what you want to run, but the most “meta” would probably be an knife build with blazing piety and

turbid dock
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because some of them are in some grate under the floor

dapper shard
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Having two people with the mod in lobby, over comms, helps, especially if you explore different parts of otherwise open/two+ pathed areas, like in Chasm Logistratum post mid-event

random bramble
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Need to complete 2 aurics if anyone’s down

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Not malestorms, just aurics in general

copper condor
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i could be missing something but toughness seems pointless if you still take hp damage when ever you get hit. why not just stack hp??

rigid wasp
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Because you can regen toughness more easily

signal gate
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Basically every class gets a ton of toughness regen for doing their class properly

copper condor
signal gate
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How it works for melee is that it scales for what % of toughness you have

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If you have 50% toughness, 50% of the hit is blocked and the other 50% is dealt to HP

copper condor
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so having more hp but lower toughness would make it faster to regen but if you get hit you would take more hp damage and vice versa if i understand right 🤔

signal gate
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as well as the bleedthrough is also % based

copper condor
smoky ember
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and even if it isn’t, it wouldn’t really matter

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as melee kills aren’t your primary, or even secondary source of toughness

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all main sources are based on percentages

copper condor
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there is a lot more depth to this mechanic than i originally thought

lime idol
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Having lower total toughness doesn’t meaningfully make u get back to full toughness faster

lime idol
# copper condor Thank you

Coherency toughness is a flat value that scales based on the amount of coherency u have, it’s usually not the most relevant in terms of keeping ur toughness up unless u invest heavily into it

copper condor
sinful summit
# copper condor Lots of factors to play around with I appreciate the insight

Tho my recommendation in every circumstance is to never invest or rely on coherency toughness, it is just not good when it comes down to it
Not only is it much less potent compared to most toughness gen talents, it's disabled when an enemy is in one of your slots, which essentially means when an enemy is close enough to swing at you
That basically means that it's disabled in all melee combat, which is when you want toughness the most

vocal nacelle
copper condor
copper condor
# vocal nacelle What character are you playing

i was unaware at the time that range attacks do not effect hp while you still have toughness and that being at 100% in melee made you take no hp damage from normal attack (ie. not sniper,rage and the like)

vocal nacelle
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KEKW_ogryn on early game just use 1 wound curio if you get downed,
2 toughness and 1 health is good combination
toughness curio can reach to 16-17 %
health is 21% hp max

placid vessel
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hey guys im new and would love ot play with some vets to leanr the ropes! anyone on?

vocal nacelle
quick prairie
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Hello, after having some interest in the game for quite a while, I've finally started playing now for a few days and got a class to Lv30. I've heard that there's a new gear update coming later this month, so I'm not sure what I should be aiming for in long-term gear goals considering that, or what I should be doing now in the time gap until then.

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There are a bunch of guides on the subject, but I'm concerned about what's outdated/will soon be outdated.

vocal nacelle
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which guide

little coyote
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gather blessings from weapons, those will directly affect how much of a head start you get in the new itemization update

quick prairie
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Just generally speaking, between video and text.

vocal nacelle
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the weapon guide will become outdated if dev doing some huge nerf / rework on the weapon

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just extract any blessing that you can find

placid vessel
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i havent even gotten far enough to see blessings do those drop only from legendary weapons?

little coyote
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blessings are the named bonuses weapons have, each weapon has one at blue rank and gets another at orange

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then you acquire them by sacrificing the weapon and choosing one of them to be used on other copies of the weapon

vocal nacelle
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white (no perk/blessing) -> green (1 perk/ no blessing) -> blue (1 perk/ 1 blessing) -> purple (2 perk/ 1 blessing) -> orange (2 perk/ 2 blessing)

quick prairie
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Should I be buying up weapons from the shop that have desired Blessings?

vocal nacelle
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KEKW_ogryn and dont waste on the weapon that you never use

little coyote
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the basic weapons store never has higher than tier 2 blessings, so upgrading is a surer way of getting better blessings

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Melk's store has weapons with higher tier blessings but the credits aren't as easy to gather

quick prairie
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Really? I'm looking at a weapon with a Tier 3 Riposte right now.

vocal nacelle
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what the melee weapon

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duelling sword?

little coyote
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hm, I might be misremembering but I thought the Brunt store only had tier 1 and 2 blessings

quick prairie
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It's a blue Catachan Mk VI Combat Blade.

vocal nacelle
vocal nacelle
little coyote
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also some blessings don't have a variant for each tier, some only have one tier and others might have two iirc

quick prairie
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Oh, I've been trying to paste a screenshot here of it, do I need permissions to do that here?

vocal nacelle
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need red role

quick prairie
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Ah.

vocal nacelle
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KEKW_ogryn you will get it , just keep chatting

little coyote
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ye and you get it by talking enough

quick prairie
vocal nacelle
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buy all the weapon that have magnifier icon (that means you dont have the blessing extracted) and extract it all KEKW_ogryn

little coyote
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oh yeah, nice

quick prairie
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I guess we all learned something new then.

little coyote
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think that's just very rare so I've never noticed a higher than tier 2 blessing there

quick prairie
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What do I do with white and green weapons?

little coyote
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upgrade

vocal nacelle
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there's 2 option

little coyote
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if it has good base stats to a weapon you might use or just for random blessings to acquire

vocal nacelle
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if you have a lot of plasteel upgrade to blue to collect the blessing

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if the base stat are high and got correct dump stat, keep it till rework

quick prairie
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Understood.

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Should I be ignoring Tier 1 and/or 2 blessings?

little coyote
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for use? yeah. But iirc the new update will also benefit from having those unlocked

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as in all the blessings unlocked will be adjusted to the mastery rank on that weapon

quick prairie
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I see.

smoky ember
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just use the highest power weapons you have

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once you hit 30, then you can start trying to go for specific builds

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because otherwise, your weapons will be low power, usually with weak blessings

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and resources are rare enough that it’s not worth it

heavy current
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Anyone know which braced autogun is "best" atm?

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Trying to make a build for it cause i love daka

little coyote
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MK VIII was my favourite when I ran those more

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the damage and stagger was great

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could stun lock ragers easily

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you'd want high Stopping Power on it though

heavy current
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Teach me the ways of the gun purityseal

little coyote
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As a vet get the enhanced fire active ability (can't recall the name) and the upgrade which highlights all ranged enemies and refreshes it every time you kill one of them, then enjoy your endless lead shower of death

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Didn't use braced auto on zealot really

vocal nacelle
smoky ember
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they’re all workable but the agri is best due to its cleave and stagger

barren prism
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agri also has slightly more AP damage

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so flaks are better with it

tawny schooner
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I think the question would go here, I was wondering is the game cross-platform? Cuz I play on PC with Xbox Game Pass and I have a friend who I wanna play with but he's on regular Xbox

vocal nacelle
crisp moth
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Does anyone still do penance runs?

formal goblet
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i have "new penance unlocked" notification after every match despite not having actual new penances, is that a known issue?

sinful summit
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if thats not the case than idk, but thats what ive dealt with for quite a long time now, spaghetti code

fallen terrace
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need players for some no incapacitation runs. its impossible with randos unless you play difficulty 2 which is boring

keen stirrup
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What's this Error Code 3013 about? What do I do to rectify it?

hoary vessel
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who the hell is responsible for some of these veteran guides on game lantern

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there’s the tried and true squad leader build as always

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then below that shit hits the FAN

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I got veterans out here taking NOTHING to help the team and then ending their tree with a toe into weapon specialist

hoary vessel
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As usual

smoky ember
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keep trying

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itll resolve itself

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restarting ur game can help

sinful summit
hoary vessel
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i can tell when i play with the general public

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granted im recent back into the game but i have to crowd source this theory, is it clear as day to anyone else the director can suddenly lose its fucking mind and deploy a wave that is genuinely insane and close to nothing of the usual

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like my maelstroms are getting screwed because theres just these single moments where even though we've damn near cleared 50% without even taking hp damage, we're instantly overwhelmed by upwards of 15 crushers, 20+ ragers ect.

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even shooting down 4 fucking trappers in a row seconds apart running around a corner

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so i guess question is -is the director broken again and is it even worth playing maelstrom atm or is this just regular jank-

hoary vessel
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follow up yes the director is bugged to shit

crimson swift
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Anyone got tips on the bst way of going about this? I assume its finding the right moment ofc but are certain maps i could keep an eye on? Ik hi-intensity would help just havent found the correct moment yet

vocal nacelle
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or get the ammo tube mission

hoary vessel
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auric maelstrom don't matter what location you'll be swarmed by thousands never mind 60 but bristly is right

fallen terrace
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its extra easy if theres a bridge leading to your ship that you can funnel them into

vocal nacelle
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Ah yeaaa the cursed habdreyko KEKW_ogryn

random bramble
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Can I get some help tweaking this?

hoary vessel
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all i have for insight is infernus ICKY

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the rest looks good but i dont play zealot, i do however use the las pistol a lot

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personal opinion is i like to have hit & run so i can get a headshot and calmly mow down the ranged elites without being shot

low forge
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What guns are similar to Zarona Mk 2a?

zealous dome
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In reality, none

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But Agripina shotgun comes close

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Then you have the plasma gun

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Then voidstrike staff

hot palm
ionic moth
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Smelter end event can be nice for it too

hoary vessel
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are they ever going to fix habs finale

smoky ember
vocal nacelle
hot pebble
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fellas my friend keeps disconnecting at least once per mission

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what's the dealio

low crag
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New to Darktide. Got it on release but only played a couple hours. Enjoying it more now, few questions.

First - Wtf is Coherency?

Second - after a mission, is there a way to see stats? My kills, special mob kills, revives, etc.?

Im a lvl 11 zealot, but i just feel like a fighter... do i do priesty religious shit at some point? Idk... I just feel currently like a warrior with a run dash...

vocal nacelle
stoic locust
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You need a mod for scoreboard as they said

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And zealot is just violence

low crag
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So if i take the "Loner" trait in my talents, ill always regen toughness (wtf is toughness?) at all times, regardless if im around people?

stoic locust
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Nope

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Loner sucks

vocal nacelle
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KEKW_ogryn not recommending loner expecially for newbie

low crag
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not asking if it sucks, im trying to understand the mechanic

stoic locust
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You will be counted as within coherency with 2 people always

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But the regeneration only works if no melee enemies nearby are targeting you

vocal nacelle
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when you kill something, you regen small toughness

low crag
vocal nacelle
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when you out of combat and in coherency radius you regen armor

low crag
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and when i kill stuff. So killing stuff = staying alive. Staying around helps regen it also.

vocal nacelle
stoic locust
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Melee damage can bleed through toughness before its empty

low crag
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but it takes the hit, it can exceed it sure, but it takes it initially

stoic locust
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Melee can bleed through even if it doesn't zero your toughness

vocal nacelle
low crag
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thats not what im asking homie

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im saying toughness is essentially regen hp or shield or whatever, regardless of bleed or if the attack excees the toughness bar

vocal nacelle
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pretty much

low crag
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ok, ty.

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Backstab - is that genuinely like very specifically from behind, or is it pretty generous and anything remotely close to the back/side counts? Curious how hard it would be to go backstab build, or how frustrating it could be?

vocal nacelle
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you need to slide + click a lot

low crag
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ok, thats more work then i want to do lol, ty

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Is more wounds good? Thinking about going for a wound build, but that also seems to mean ill be able to heal up less if i understand that...

vocal nacelle
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KEKW_ogryn more wound does not equal more health

low crag
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ok so its build specific

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yeah i noticed it wasnt more health, but broke it up more, which i thought was good at first, then i realized i just wasnt able to heal up as much.

low crag
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is there any way to heal up past that "wound" breakpoint? Like lets say i have 4 chunks of health, im down one. I cant seem to normally heal up that last 25%. I have to get to a medicare station to get that back? is there any other way to heal that back?

vocal nacelle
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thats why its bad

low crag
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ok, appreciate all the info Bristly

vocal nacelle
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health stim also restore 1 chunk if you got downed

low crag
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oh does it? cool

vocal nacelle
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get downed first then use it better value

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if you use before you got downed you only heal small amount ( use it if you are on the last wound)

prisma wraith
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The health stim is 1 full wound's worth of healing or 25% of your max, whichever is higher

prisma wraith
# low crag im saying toughness is essentially regen hp or shield or whatever, regardless of...

Toughness is your damage reduction, not to be confused as a shield in a traditional sense.

Against melee, you will take damage to your health equal to the % of toughness you're missing. (at 85% toughness, 15% of that damage goes to your health. At 100%, eats a hit entirely.)

Against ranged, you will not take health damage until your toughness is fully broken.

There are some exceptions to this, like snipers, explosions, and mauler/crusher overheads.

low crag
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Regarding the Stats mod, will that get me banned if i use it or is it ok to grab? If so, where can i grab it?

prisma wraith
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I've got a bunch of mods including the scoreboard mod and I'm doing fine

vocal nacelle
stoic locust
low crag
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ok cool, ty. I wanna see what im doing well at and what i need to improve on. The end mission scoreboard helps with that.