gameplay-help

[fluid flare]

but rending is always a %, even when it's described as "+3 rending". that just means 3 stacks of rending, and I believe each stack of rending is the same as each stack of brittleness, so 5% per stack. +3 rending means that you apply 15% rending on the target. and what rending does is the following:

example calculation:
``rending_multiplier = 0.2 (20% Rending/Brittleness)
armor_damage_modifier = 0.6

difference = 1.0 - armor_damage_modifier
= 1.0 - 0.6
= 0.4

rending = difference * rending_multiplier
= 0.4 * 0.2
= 0.08

final_damage_multiplier = armor_damage_modifier + rending
= 0.6 + 0.08
= 0.68 (13.3% increase in damage)``

it reduces the difference between the amount of penetration your weapon has, say 60% against carapace, and 100% (i.e. full damage dealt), by the amount of rending applied by your weapon. the more rending you stack, the closer to 100% armor penetration you come, which is why targets take more and more damage on successive rending-applying hits.

if your weapon already has 100% or more armor penetration against an armor type, like a good latrine shovel does against carapace, rending and brittleness (same effect but instead applied as a debuff that your team can take advantage of as well) do nothing.

[tepid skiff]

technically in those cases rending even reduces the damage a tiny bit, but yeah, pretty much nothing.

[fluid flare]

that was fixed a few patches ago IIRC, but yes that used to be the case

[tepid skiff]

no, i've tried slapping it on my plasma gun yesterday, when the crafting came out.

[fluid flare]

it was actively detrimental to have rending on something like the plasma gun lol

oh really? they fucked that up too?

smh

[tepid skiff]

i think it's more like 'does nothing', since bodyshot flak damage went from 798 to 796 or some such.

[fluid flare]

right, that was the "fix". it went from reducing your dmg back to down 100% penetration to just doing nothing.

[tepid skiff]

headshot unyielding damage got reduced quite noticeably, i think. but anyway, i replaced it with glorykiller, since why bother.

[fluid flare]

trying to find the patch notes now

[tepid skiff]

yeah, i know what you're talking about. previously rending was doing the same 'closer to 100%' from both sides.

i think it's still kinda fixed-ish. the important consideration is that rending on a plasma gun is, at best, useless, at worst, detrimental. avoid it.

even on carapace it grants miniscule damage, like from 513 it went to 530-something. with rending +3.

so straight up worthless.

[fluid flare]

some weapons that roll rending always benefit from it, like the grenadier gauntlet, because it never eaches more than 65% penetration against carapace by default. on other guns that dont need rending at high ratings, I think it might be useful as a fix for a low penetration stat...?

[tepid skiff]

yeah, some. gg is a great example. true. the lower is base armour pen, the more benefit from rend.

[fluid flare]

but yeah idk what the point really is, I submitted a bug report "rending/brittleness does nothing to improve damage beyond 100% AP" and it was marked as "not-a-bug" so clearly this is how fatshark wants it.

there are a lot of weapons that would benefit tremendously from being able to roll a rending blessing that can't

like the ogryn's krourk cleavers with their stabby attack patterns but low AP

and instead it rolls on the rumbler, which penetrates armor very well by default

what is the point

[tepid skiff]

we'll never know.

[drowsy escarp]

Wait, so does this mean Rending only benefit those who apply it?? Or after the effect proc, there is a brief moment where team benefit from this if they're using low AP weapon?

[fervent ridge]

Rending is the self armor reduction, Brittleness is the team-wide armor reduction

Both are armor-reduction blessings, but rending is for personal use and brittle will benefit all sources of incoming damage

[drowsy escarp]

If I didn't ask here, when/where would I know about all these information ingame...

[fervent ridge]

nowhere

it's not stated

Lol

[drowsy escarp]

Bruh

Where did all these came from lol, miner?

[inland harness]

Is Uncanny Strike and Ruthless Backstab viable on Combat Knife as Veteran ? or is it only about the Zealot Bleed build ?

[fervent ridge]

ye

[inland harness]

Do chain weapons special act as multiple hits and thus trigger blessings like Headtaker, Shred or Thunderous ?

[fluid flare]

datamining, testing, developers explaining themselves on the fatshark forums (but nowhere else)

[hazy palm]

That's a scripture

Collect 3 and you get bonus exp and money

[fervent ridge]

LEVE IT'S BEEN A WEEK

bonus objective! you collect at least 1 (out of a maximum of 3) and you get bonus rewards!

[hazy palm]

HELLO

[ember iris]

Are blessings shared between all autoguns?

[tepid perch]

no

[zealous rivet]

ADD FUCKING SOLO PLAY

[jagged shuttle]

After the new patch, I’ve noticed when I press the ‘special’ button to turn off the rev on a Chainaxe, it plays the turning off animation but the rev just refreshes and continues. Anyone else having this?

[jagged shuttle]

If you put your feedback on their forums you are more likely to be seen :)

[slim magnet]

Hi, anyone know why my push to talk dont work ?

[latent girder]

special attack button

defualt is like

v I think

same one as you do to activate chainswords and etc

[rigid wasp]

Any good strats in melee against shotgunners that are glued to their shotgun?

[tough solar]

if you're 1v1ing them, you can fairly easily time a dodge or slide under their shots. If it's mixed, you'll need to factor that into whatever else your dealing with

[rigid wasp]

slide under their shots? so as soon as you get the alert of a shot going off on you it is a time windows to go out of the way as they are locked at that location?

So are all shooting enemies snipers but without laser sight and sniper?

interesting

[tough solar]

you can slide under any gunner shots

[rigid wasp]

I should slide more

[tough solar]

usually for a shotgunner you hear and see them pump the shotgun before they fire, so just time it based around that

[uncut verge]

I have dodge and crouch cobound to a mouse thumb button, so I can crouch slide under that gunfire while in the middle of a melee

[mortal raft]

is this worth grabbing for the blessing?

[storm laurel]

no

[dapper robin]

Hey yo

did they release the new cadian armor set yet

[mortal raft]

theres cadian armor coming?

[dapper robin]

Yeah they made it forever ago

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043910914027561000/1067626294835159110/OFKgTPS.jpeg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043910914027561000/1067626295309107271/PJQb4J8.jpeg

Zealot also has Guardsmen armor coming

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043910914027561000/1067625915942711417/RF1gAOp.jpeg

[dapper robin]

I'm guessing the sets haven't been released yet tho if you're just now asking about them.

[mortal raft]

oh shit that looks cool

There’s a ton of stuff that isn’t released yet either

I’m sure it’ll come in due time

[jagged shuttle]

Okay is anyone else unable to turn off revved weapons now after the patch? It just refreshes the duration now.

I need to know if it was broken in this patch when they said they lowered the turn off animation time, or if it’s something specific to me

[fierce osprey]

@jagged shuttle i've never seen a revved weapon have a shut off - it's refreshed the duration since beta

[jagged shuttle]

Weird.

[neat jacinth]

Huh? It always turns off for me if I press the special button while it's already revved up.

[tepid perch]

it's always just continuously revved for me as well, weird

[jagged shuttle]

Even after the newest patch?

[hard flicker]

This good?

[fervent ridge]

Accatrans are horribly ammo inefficient in general, you're better off spending your Melk coins elsewhere

[drowsy escarp]

^Agree with this. If you really want to use it. At least wait for Mk VIId

[bold vigil]

how should i train for damnation?

[fervent ridge]

Play a bunch of heresies in pug lobbies and if you can reliably win 70% of them without going down (needing to be rescued once) then you're pretty set

Just take things slow, play it out like a tac shooter, be aware of your teammates' positioning at all times and never hesitate to give ground and retreat to a better position if you're getting pushed

[storm laurel]

play damnation

[drowsy escarp]

Stay in Coherency.
Beware of those rando that spawn behind you.
Try to position yourself that most enemy in your cone of vision.
See what your friend bring, to see which role you should focus on in that lobby.
Gather playtime so that you start to do things automatically.

[neat jacinth]

Yeah, although the only chainweapon I've used since the patch is the chainaxe.

[hard goblet]

Play through Heresy with the goal being to never take any health damage. Or to only take health damage once or twice. Or to only go down once. Impose limits on yourself and see how well you do.

When you can consistently achieve those sorts of limit conditions (minus situations where it was an error on a teammate's part rather than poor positioning etc. on yours), you'll know you're ready.

[jagged shuttle]

So it’s like affecting everyone differently

At different times

[neat jacinth]

I haven't checked the chainsword or evisc yet

[ebon tulip]

How to get 90 kills in 30s?

[strange kiln]

flamer, any map with a section where lots of hordes attack a fixed position, the end of the map where you purge demonic things in a smelter complex is imo ideal

[ebon tulip]

I have only one char because without shared resources and contracts there is no sense in playing when have not much time to spent. That explains why with sharpshooter this was not possible in over 40h xD

[strange kiln]

might be able to do with braced autogun too, depending on blessings

iirc that's the easiest one, there's one for doing it in like 5s or something

can't imagine doing that one without the flamer tbh

[vernal plaza]

Collecting blessing description, if anyone have these please dm me
Gets hot - t1, t2, t4
Savage sweep (power sword) - t1 ~ t4

[rigid wasp]

anyone have any suggestions on how to improve this?

[fervent ridge]

Discard Gloryhunter and replace it with T3 or higher Shattering Impact when you find one

Reroll 25 flak to 25 unyielding

The multiplicative damage/penetration of pinning fire and anti armor of shattering impact stacked on top of bonus vs unyielding will let you atomize damnation ogryn enemies

[formal granite]

https://tenor.com/view/started-blasting-gun-eyeglasses-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-gif-16955226

[rigid wasp]

oh at least i have T3 pinning already! thanks for the advice mate

just wondering, does stopping power matter on a bolter as mine is quite low?

[fervent ridge]

Not really imo since everything you shoot is going to die lol, the stats for bolter you want maxed out are damage reload speed and stability

[rigid wasp]

thanks dude

[echo sun]

Question - can you get every T4 blessing on a blue weapon, or do certain T4 blessings only occur on golden (max rarity) weapons?

[tepid skiff]

it's theoretically possible, but extremely unlikely.

depending on the item acquisition method too. servitor shop now pretty much stopped selling t3+ blessings, so your options went down to consecrating and getting a good emprah gift.

[rigid wasp]

is this worth picking up?

[tepid skiff]

no. especially since you have almost no dockets.

servitor shop stocks some quite decent bases after the patch. you'll need those moneys.

install a web shop extention to monitor it throughout the day, and you'll have stuff to play with.

[thick wren]

does "going out with a bang" still work on sharpshooter?

[misty quiver]

You mean gunners ?

[latent girder]

afaik there was no mention of it being changed

so maybe

[loud kayak]

Quick question what to replace with brutal momentum on Antax mk 5: thunderous I or thrust II ?
i am kinda bummed with the blessings on my 377 antax, but well.

[strange kiln]

thunderus

i think

thrust 2 will still be good

remember you start getting the bonus from the first frame you heavy attack and it stacks from there, so any heavies get a benefit

it's not ideal but it's not bad

[uncut verge]

Can be nice against a charging maniac… charge it up and get a big bonus first hit

[heady citrus]

Can you only re-bless once? Meaning if you re'bless will the blessing disappear from your list?

[fervent ridge]

No, it stays in your blessings bank

You unlock the ability to reuse that blessing permanently

[heady citrus]

So my power cycle is now permanent. Nice

[fervent ridge]

ya, I just tested it seconds ago

already put brutal momentum on 2 antaxes, tried to rebless a 3rd one

It's still there

[reef prism]

whats your take on these boltguns? (im preacher) should i take shattering impact 4 or pinning fire 4 from the first one and put it on the second one?

or just use the first one even though its stats are worse?

because i assume i cannot stack pinning fire 3+4 on the same weapon

[fervent ridge]

put t4 shattering impact on the 377 bolter, it has maxed rolls in dmg reload speed that's way too good to pass up

Replace Surgical

[reef prism]

yep, tested it and it saves me 1-2 shots on ogryns

thanks

got really lucky with those stats xd

[fervent ridge]

If the mobility rolled into stability instead you'd have had the 'perfect' bolter

but having max rolls in 3 of the desired modifiers is very very good already

[bleak maple]

any1 using scoreboard mod?

[uneven bough]

Yes

[bleak maple]

i installed in mods folder but its not working

[uneven bough]

Did you install the framework and the two other mods it requires

[bleak maple]

i'm not able to download mod loader

from nexus

[uneven bough]

https://discord.gg/GFyCGNpJb8

Get it there and ask for help if necessary

[bleak maple]

thanks

[molten raven]

Dump stat for Mark3 Ogryn Cleaver?

[tepid skiff]

depends. first target isn't all that important, since it'll never be a good single target weapon. penetration for the same reason.

you may also not value mobility all that much.

[molten raven]

Aiight, cheers

[latent girder]

generally you want like 51% mobi

then you can dump it

[fast gate]

Are wounds the number of bars in your health?

[latent girder]

yeah

[fast gate]

Thanks!

[warm nebula]

What's the general etiquette about taking on the daemonhost in pub missions now? Still "hard avoid"? Or do people sometimes negotiate a fight with them for the enhanced rewards?

[strange kiln]

always avoid, there are no enhanced rewards

[warm nebula]

Ah. Only "conditions" enhance the reward. "Defeated a daemonhost" is not a "condition"

[strange kiln]

yep. they're still like witches in l4d, correct play is always avoid unless you're chasing the penance or maybe weeklies

[tough solar]

previously I'd see people want to go for them for contracts because the "kill 10 monstrosities" was one of the easiest to complete. But now with the easier contracts, I'd never want to engage one deliberately. If a zealot with a TH wants to attempt to kill it, then they can go for it, but I'm not back them up if things go south.

[nocturne locust]

I have surrendered a weapon with a tier 3 blessing and didnt get it in my collection

Is this as intended?
Do i have to surrender more than 1 weapon to get the blessing?

[neat jacinth]

Blessings only unlock for the same weapon family

Unlocking Brutal Momentum on Combat Axes does not unlock it for Tactical Axes

[nocturne locust]

oh fuk

[tawdry peak]

best way to get ogryn heavyweight penance?

[latent girder]

high intensity damn and getting lucky/kiting them around

[drowsy escarp]

and having friend/team that know you're gunning for the penance. Cuz Crusher/Bulwark is not something people tend to let live very long in fear of getting smacked.

[ebon snow]

The make every shot count penance is rough

[fervent ridge]

Very

[ebon snow]

Any tips I'm using a shotgun with low ammo. I had so many people tonight say they got it with the cheese of alt f4 before they patched it.

If they patched it

[little coyote]

I used plasma, relatively small ammo pool and you only get one or two shots worth back from an elite kill

[drowsy escarp]

I got by using Plasma, but I'd say, take your time shoot each bullet. spam into a hoard risk the reticle jump causing a miss.

and be aware of where your friend is doing/shooting. help them at your own risk

miss a shotgun shot because a friend vaporize the Crusher you're aiming is not fun

[sweet carbon]

play veteran with sustained fire, the L30 perk that reloads for you

[tepid skiff]

that's the most important 'if'. start with cheching whether they did. if it's still cheesable, it's the way to go then.

as in, go to assassination mission, play as usual, waste all ammo but a couple of shots before the boss, alt+f4, reconnect, shoot the boss bubble with the rest of the ammo, switch to melee and don't switch back, disregard the passive ammo drip afterwards. that's it.

[quaint jacinth]

how much plasteel and diamantine roughly spawn per mission?

[restive tulip]

Plasteel
Uprising from 195 to 205
Malice from 255 to 265
Heresy from 300 to 440
Damnation from 395 to 805
Diamantine
Uprising from 30 to 40
Malice from 95 to 125
Heresy from 170 to 195
Damnation from 295 to 300

[formal granite]

take the 2nd number those are the buffed numbers

[quaint jacinth]

none spawns on the first difficulty?

[restive tulip]

oops this

first difficulty has resources, but wasn’t buffed

[quaint jacinth]

lol so how much then do they have

[restive tulip]

no idea, but probably slightly less than Uprising

[tough solar]

From previous grim runs, sedition only ever had around 50-70 plasteel and 0 diamantine

[golden pivot]

125 plasteel and 0 diamantine on Sedition

[warm nebula]

Good luck getting 40 diamantine on Uprising tho. It depends on how many crates your team is opening

[tepid skiff]

does it matter though? there's no effectively no materials there. as well as no point in ever playing it.

the game basically starts at 2nd difficulty.

[fervent ridge]

(3rd)

[warm nebula]

And with the quality of Emperor’s Gifts increasing with the difficulty, the lower levels are even more… more pointless (what a weird phrase)

[quaint jacinth]

are flash missions available in the game?

[fervent ridge]

No

[woeful root]

despite being referenced in penances, flash missions are confusingly not in the game

[quaint jacinth]

did they say anything about them coming back?

or being added

[tepid skiff]

nope, never mentioned them.

[strange kiln]

difficulties 1-3 are legit kind of training modes in a lot of waysa

like, there's a reason that everyone reports such a sharp jump at 4

[tepid skiff]

diff 3 is a nice baseline for new characters, or players who don't mind a bit of a deep end diving. it drops mats alright.

[ornate flame]

Hello, I have a question. For an combat axe would Decapitator (+25% rending stacks 5) or Shred (+4% bonus crit on chained hit, stacks 5) be better?

[nimble lintel]

Does falling off the map after an assasination target is killed stop the "flawless execution" achievement?

[strange kiln]

shred

more to critzel tho

[nimble lintel]

TURNS OUT IT COUNTS

I'm never gonna get that fucking achievement

[idle swallow]

hey guys is there any reason to fiht a daemonhost? cus u can just go around them

[latent girder]

there is like two

killing monstrosities weekly and a psyker penance

otherwise there is no point

[idle swallow]

oh that kinda sucks they are fun af to fight

[golden pivot]

Third: Time to Die (3). But needs TH Zealot(s) and maybe lower difficulties

[idle swallow]

th?

[golden pivot]

Thunder Hammer

[idle swallow]

whats that gotta do with daemon host

[golden pivot]

Zealots can 2 shot that thing on Malice and below with a proper roll. Maybe even one shot on Sedition. Simply for penance being done legit

[idle swallow]

damn'

[tough bramble]

Anyone know if low intensity Damnation has fewer or the same amount of mats as normal Damnation?

[latent girder]

should be the same

[violet flicker]

anyone know where this frame is from?

[rigid wasp]

250 assassinations completed

[rigid wasp]

Funny I've never seen anyone else have it, I've had it for a few weeks now though

[violet flicker]

dope, thanks

[chrome escarp]

whats the fastest way to get levels/hour? is there some obvious strategy everyone uses

[fervent ridge]

Spam Malice if you're levelling to 30

After that train yourself up to be able to play Damnation because with the boosted drops it's the only difficulty worth playing if you care about efficiency

[strange kiln]

do you have friends who play, one competent player can carry one newbie through heresy pretty soon, say like idk after your first curio ish

pick things up, melee, stay behind

you might die, you're still probably better than the pubs

[hard flicker]

This good?

[ebon snow]

does anyone know if the make every shot count glitch was patched to cheese it?

[tepid perch]

failed damnations give more mats than malice, it's scuffed

[odd sparrow]

Well at least damnations more fun than malice

If you want efficient mat farming your not stuck in a boring difficulty

[tepid skiff]

not really. stats and blessings are good, but mk4 is the weakest of kantrael family, meant to be rapid semi auto, lots and lots of clicking.

if that is a melk coin offer, I'd pass. if it's an emprah gift, then cool, run it for a bit, then sacrifice for the opening salvo to put on a good mk12.

[uncut verge]

Opening is MUCH better on a XII than a IV (balance between them aside, just as a blessing for how you use them)

If it was opening 4 I would buy with melk (it is, you can see the cost) just for the blessing

[tawdry ginkgo]

If a team member is downed and dies on the way to the extraction point, can the rest of the team reach it and clear the mission? Or do all four members need to be there? Figure it's the latter but want to confirm.

[fervent ridge]

A mission is won if at least one member is on the extract craft

ALIVE

You do not need everyone to make it for the entire team to win

This is why in some t5/hi5 lobbies we will not double back to rescue captured teammates in the final event when the way to extract opens since most extraction sequences begin spawning an infinite amount of enemies and there's not enough ammo & utility to pull off the rescue

Just get out

[tawdry ginkgo]

Good to know, thanks for clarifying.

[fervent ridge]

In some situations where the route to extrac is particularly long it's even a legitimate strategy for teammates to stay and sandbag the flood of disablers/mobs pouring out of all directions just to make sure that one guy gets on the craft

Not recommended for public lobbies

[tawdry ginkgo]

Yeah that's a sound strategy. Thanks again! My friends and I assumed everyone had to make it, and ended up wiping when someone fell behind and died cause we thought we needed them with us. Good to know for the future.

[obtuse whale]

Sry but I have a question, does modifier affects blessing level in crafting?

[fervent ridge]

They don't

[obtuse whale]

Thxs 🙂

[gaunt elm]

What's the meaning of these things?

[formal granite]

highest difficulty of that mission you completed

the one with the 3 skulls is damnation

[tough solar]

Just a note that those are across all of your characters.

[gaunt elm]

aah ty

[quaint jacinth]

is there a way to see if the blessing on a weapon is one i have already earned?

[fervent ridge]

yea you go and try to rebless it

and it'll tell you if you hover

whether you have that blessing already

if yes the extract blessing button

will not be clickable

[quaint jacinth]

@fervent ridge my point was more seeing it somewhere else, because just now i bought a weapon to get it's blessing without realizing i already had it, so i spent money on a paperweight

[fervent ridge]

[copper crescent]

so, i tried the last 20 mins to roll 5% health on a curio then realized i have never seen any t4 perk... something wrong here?!

[latent girder]

you are getting hadryoned

[uneven bough]

Is it a low base rating curio

[fervent ridge]

5% health / 5 % toughness has historically taken me half an hour - 45 minutes in real time to roll for across 10 curios, if you get it in less than that count yourself blessed

[brave breach]

is there a way to tell which one it is?

[tepid skiff]

no.

well, maybe with mods now, but i haven't seen one that does it yet.

you gotta make a spreadsheet per character, mission type, and highest diff you've done, since it's relevant for many penances and a couple of steam achievements.

and record it manually.

[golden pivot]

how Zuzuzu said, but probably Repair - its only mission type with 1 map in a pool

[brave breach]

thats the one with the cryogenic tubes right?

[golden pivot]

Yes

[brave breach]

Yeah i did that one for sure

[golden pivot]

Is this your only character?

[brave breach]

No, sadly, I play the 4 classes

[young comet]

Guide on kicking puppies if anyone needs it!
https://youtu.be/iUiphEudtWg

[tepid skiff]

investigation is likewise only in a hab block, i think. so yeah, usually one of those.

[shut coyote]

Do we know what the percentages are for emperor’s gift rarity?

[golden pivot]

Oh yeah, Hab Dreyko forgot about it. Don’t play as I still crash on it

[spark glacier]

What am I doing wrong here? I surrendered to other ranged weapons to earn the blessing on them. I can't seem to apply any of these to my current weapon

[latent girder]

has to be the same kind of weappon

[spark glacier]

Ah so if I took it off a shotgun I can only put it back on a shotgun?

[latent girder]

yeah

it works inbetween the marks of the weapons

so you can take something of of an antax axe

and put it on a rashad

but not on a tactical axe

[spark glacier]

Alrighty, thank you

[elder heath]

how does bleed stacking work? i know that its damage over time and from my testing seems to cap out at 160dmg per tick, but can it go higher if I get higher attack speed and stack it faster? also are bleed ticks based on % of damage dealt becuse they seem to do less damage when I git an enemy's armor

or do we just not know the exact numbers? sorry I come from playing a lot of ror2 so knowing what all the status effects do exactly is pretty important to me

[latent girder]

it has a max amount of stack (like 15 iirc)

it does different damge to different enemy health types

it's pretty crap vs most things tbh

but it's quite good vs unyielding(reapers/ bulwarks and monstrosities)

[elder heath]

ok so getting lacerate 4 isn't all that important then thanks. my knife currently has flesh tearer 2 and lacerate 3 paired with precher's bloodletting i can 3 bleed or 6 bleed on a crit with high crit chance

[blissful mortar]

so i've got this thing in the shop... i want it... i cannot afford it... i am out of weekly missions to do. is there a way i can obtain it?

[golden pivot]

If you did all your weeklies then SOL

[blissful mortar]

reeeeee

there should be a way to lock in items

[golden pivot]

If not - you better have Oreos for rerolling contracts

[blissful mortar]

hold up... can i reroll a contract that i've already completed to get another one?

[golden pivot]

Nope, as long as you haven’t completed it

[blissful mortar]

ugh. that's some bullshit right there

there should also be dailies... grumble

[golden pivot]

Yeah, I feel the same

[blissful mortar]

if i wanna play the game, i should get rewarded for grind

not punished

[brave breach]

no one is punishing you

[covert geyser]

Anyone know what the difference between tier 1 devastating strike vs tier 4. They both read "Ignore Enemy Hit Mass on Critical Hit?

[latent girder]

there is none

[leaden berry]

What determines barter price? Just rating? or combination of rarity, stats, etc.?

[median cipher]

from what ive seen better base ratings mean more money like a 370 would be worth more than a 330

[blissful mortar]

oh contraire

game is punishing me by teasing me with things that i cannot afford and giving me no way to afford them

[dense barn]

• So i got a mk V axe 80% pen, 77% damage, 75% mobility, damage, 73% first strike, 63% cleave, averaged put ist 73.5%ish is this worth leveling up?

[fervent ridge]

Yep looks great

Aim for brutal momentum and avoid limbsplitter

[dense barn]

Got it, thanks for the heads up 🙂

Any best secondary blessing?

[fervent ridge]

Headtaker for the power (power increases damage, cleave impact etc.)

Decimator is also preferred by some people

That's all the good blessings combat axe have

Everything else are pretty mediocre

Luckily for an antax v you really only need brutal momentum for it to be amazing since the weapon has such high base damage values

[covert forge]

Is this where i post for help with penances?

[frank token]

Can I ask about gear here? Or is there another channel I'm not seeing?

[fervent ridge]

you can ask here Zim

[odd sparrow]

Any one having a real hard time doing the damnation assassination boss.
In heresy he's really easy and in damnation he can one shot your shield with his shotgun form half the map away and endless specials spawn in.

[fluid flare]

your whole team needs to rush in and beat his ass in melee as soon as he spawns, then 1 player deals with the inevitable horde that comes streaming in. he shouldn't live long enough for the specialists to become a problem, or for you to end up on the other side of the map

[quaint jacinth]

what differences are there between the axe MKII and MK V
other than visually looking different
they show the same category of Strikedown / Armour Piercing and the same light, heavy an special attack

[fervent ridge]

Mk V more reliable light attack pattern for hitting heads

[quaint jacinth]

i can't tell any difference in their hit animations lol

[latent girder]

mk2 si the rashad right?

if so it's just bugged

so it doesn't hit heads when it should alot of the time

[brave breach]

out of curiosity, why exactly are these level locked, the weapons themselves arent

[tepid skiff]

they got different stat bars, mk2 has finesse, so it's faster, while mk5 has cleave. however, mk2 is currently either bugged or just fatsharked so that it only registers headshots if you only hit a head and nothing else, meaning most hits end up being body. which is bad for dps, and, worse, impairs brutal momentum, which is the most important thing for axes.

[latent girder]

it's faster and would deal more crit/weakspot damage

but good luck hittign weakspots

[tepid skiff]

if mk2 ever gets fixed, it'll likely become a better option.

i think i saw it being marked as acknowledged bug on official forums, but not entirely sure.

for now though it's mk5 all the way.

(nobody even mentions mk8, because of its light pattern starting with vertical chop)

[fast gate]

What is a 3001 error?

[swift willow]

Hi guys, can anyone explain how the "power" stat works? I mean, what does it mean: more damage? Guess it's something else, but I'm searching and can't find a clear answer. And related to this, if I got a weapon with a stacking power blessing on kill, I guess it only works when killing WITH THAT PARTICULAR WEAPON, or does it work even while unequiped? Thanks a lot in advance, and apologies for my English :3

[tepid skiff]

power is all three key values combined: damage, stagger and cleave. and, barring possible bugs, it should only apply to the current weapon.

as do most blessings.

the only exception i can think of is revolver's +crit on melee kill.

hmmm. and ogryn melee+ranged combos, probably.

[latent girder]

the ogryn one doesn't work yet

[fluid flare]

But when it will...

[woeful sigil]

somebody wanna help a brotha get "just a flesh wound"

[feral gust]

I got a trinket, how do I equip it?

[warm nebula]

Click on the weapon you want to attach it to, open the “Appearance” menu, choose the second tab (the first tab is skins, the second tab is trinkets)

[feral gust]

Bwah-ha-ha-ha-haaaa
👍

[warm nebula]

It’s almost like icons are less discoverable than actual words… who knew?

[dark kite]

anyone have anytips on the Going out with a bang penance?

[latent girder]

wait for dogs to come back

[dark kite]

the dogs count? I thought it was only like gunners and ogryns

[latent girder]

I am like

75% sure they do

[dark kite]

ill take it

[tepid skiff]

baross espionage, hack event, there are several predictable shotgunner waves.

same place for getting pick-n-mix penance.

[feral gust]

Anyone know what a Flash mission is yet?

• my theory is that 'after you complete a mission' - you're thrown into another rando mission (with current health)

[feral gust]

will a Bang kill a dog?

[latent girder]

the hunting grounds ones easily

[feral gust]

so you ask 3 teammates to bait themselves.. all next to each other.
and you have 60 seconds to charge up before they start taking real damage?

[latent girder]

they spawn is big waves just explode in one of them

[feral gust]

But you need to take 3 at the same time tho ..
they have to be pinning someone down? (to stay in one place?)
(there's packs of 6+, it'd be funny if all 4x get pinned 🙂 )

[bold vigil]

im bad with knife despite hitting headshots alot, what do i do?

[tough solar]

go somewhere near a doorway or where they have to climb up a ledge and do it, should be able to get a few

[broken dawn]

Does anyone have a list of max % bonuses on perks and blessings?

[drowsy escarp]

Got mine yesterday with this

Throneside, Espionage gig. After turning the power on by a servo-skull but before pressing elevator button, go wait around the entrance where you come from and start gaining peril

after a while bunch of shotgunner/gunner will spawn in a very tight group, jump-in and take them to the warp with you

risk : might spawn a sniper too, look out for those first

extra help : 3 friends to coordinate and let them know about the plan, 1 Veteran with shared vision to see the group/have them take out sniper

On malice you can 1-shot gunner/shotgunner with your self-1-shot, so you don't have to chip away their HP first

[brave breach]

left is money, is right xp?

[drowsy escarp]

yes money< >exp

[brave breach]

does xp have any meaning past 30 like in vermintide?

[drowsy escarp]

no, for now.

[obtuse raft]

Hello is there an official "LFG" for penances? I am desperately trying to complete the fucking Ogryn Heavyweight challenge

Whoever upped this to 6 Ogryns, should be made to play it

forever

by himself

Because clearly this was good game design

[tepid skiff]

yep. by far the most difficult one.

[jagged shuttle]

Does losing connection but reconnecting ruin the 15 games without a down streak penance

[tepid skiff]

no, it shouldn't. might make this particular game not count, maybe, but that's it.

i've crashed many times while doing it, had no issues.

[gaunt elm]

isn't damage and power the same?

[woeful root]

power increases damage, cleave (enemies hit in a melee swing or penetrated by a gun), and stagger; by how much, the specific numbers I do not know, but it's pretty close to the value of the power itself.
damage is just damage

[jagged shuttle]

Thanks

Stress relief

[gaunt elm]

so they are the same xD

[woeful root]

increasing cleave is an extremely important attribute

[jagged shuttle]

The reason I worried is because I had seen a previous conversation some time ago between someone and a FatShark employee that said if you loaded into an already started mission it broke it or something

[woeful root]

power approximately scales your damage quadratically when using the weapon for hordeclear

[tepid skiff]

it doesn't break the chain, but it doesn't count towards progression.

[gaunt elm]

aaaaaaaah oke thank you

[tepid skiff]

only missions that went from ready screen are counted.

[jagged shuttle]

Alright

[woeful root]

Decimator in particular has the condition that the attacks must be "chained". If you block, swap weapons, miss an attack, or wait too long such that your attack chain resets, then you lose all of your Decimator stacks.

[gaunt elm]

yes but i could swear there is the same blessing with power and with dmg

[fluid flare]

that would be headtaker

[high garnet]

I am hoping for a mod that allows you to see weapon buff icons once they activate

[fluid flare]

I am hoping fatshark just adds that to the base game

should be part of the regular UI

[formal granite]

immeasureably complex

[tepid skiff]

yeah, all the quailty of life stuff is relegated to modders.

at most fatsharks will get around to implementing steam workshop support so that we won't have to rerun the hooking bat after every hotfix.

[heavy shuttle]

for kantrael XII, is the +stagger, +dmg to stagger the best combo of blessings?

[latent girder]

you don't want those two

the stagger one will make it harder to land follow up shots

afaik the best two are opening salvo and ghost

but outside of the + stagger on weakspot one which sorta makes your weapon worse

the blessings are pretty irrelevant

[quaint jacinth]

do similar type of weapons still share blessing
like axe mk2 and mk5
or do all weapons even different variants of the game gun all have their own seperate blessings to be earned?

[formal granite]

same weapon types share blessings so tac axe mk2/4/7 share one pool and combat axe mk2/5/8 share another pool

[quaint jacinth]

what weapons do the shotgun and thunder hammer share blessings with?

[tepid skiff]

none. they're the only weapon in a corresponding group. like a chainsword, revolver, etc.

[latent girder]

none for now at least

we might get another shotgun or something that shares blessings in the future

[tepid skiff]

true. but not in the near future, i'd wager.

[grave wing]

Does anyone have a link for a decent guide to improve stability/visibility/fps as I move up into higher difficulties?

There was some good steam guides for vt2

[young comet]

I don't have any video but I know one people use is to turn gore off. Could help a lot for when you are meat grinding and your screen becomes 80% bits n pieces

[young comet]

I feel like the Thammer should share with the Thunder Maul but not sure if their perks are actually 1:1

*It doesn't, but it should

[latent girder]

crusher has like 4 blessings

and they are all the bad ones for Thammer

[young comet]

Oof. Yeah, is crusher any good on Zealot? Never see it much and haven't picked it up yet

[latent girder]

damage wise?

no

control wise

it can control everything short of a plague ogryn

[sleek violet]

Can anyone help me learn the important tech of sliding while emoting on the morning star?

[young comet]

I require this data too

[formal granite]

@fervent ridge

[fervent ridge]

Idk how I did it too tbh if just kinda bugged out for me lol

[uncut nacelle]

How to kill that one demon that is very strong and kills people quite easilly. I forget but hes like a floaty in the air demon. Haven't managed to beat it but it usually kills two of my teammates (Usually me) before we can kill it.

[brave breach]

The same way you kill everything else

[formal granite]

the person who has aggro must know how to kite and dodge its attacks preferably circling around obstacles

[brave breach]

Ideally you wanna not deal with it and just ignore it

He's like the witch from left 4 dead, better left alone

[fading flame]

which discord channel is best to find a group on?

[brave breach]

Lfg then look for your region

Check #vox-lfg-lexicanum

[fading flame]

@brave breach thanks

couldnt understand the acronyms, i get it now

[brave breach]

Yeah ignore vox, is a Warhammer thing

[fervent ridge]

Dodging dh is relatively simple, the dh has a basic left right left right forward cleaving attack

either in a heavy swing or a series of rapid slashes

But there are no horizontal attacks in its moveset

Meaning you can reliably go 0 hit against DH by simply identifying the first side she will hit and sidestep to the opposite side

and repeat infinitely

She starts right, you go left, and just bounce to the other direction keeping her directly in front of you

The only dmg you'll take is from passive corruption but that can't be helped

Dodges not even needed simply stand still as she winds up the strikedown and take a small step forward to the opposite direction as she swings; hound + 2 mutants added here for fun factor

[uncut nacelle]

Yea demon host usually just kills me and others before we can kill it. Its why I asked.

[fervent ridge]

The guy who aggros it has to know basic sidestep / block and maybe dodges

then everyone else just unloads

It's a skill issue boss

Unlike say plague ogryn which you can sort blindly whack and it'll die

[uncut nacelle]

A shame it wont be me lol. I lag to much to dodge that thing .

But thanks again for the help. I was wondering what I was doing wrong there.

[vivid fox]

If didn't provoke it, nothing.

[uncut nacelle]

Me being Ogryn Ill probably accidently rush it lol.

[bold fjord]

what is a 'salvo' in the blessings? Assuming it's holding down the trigger for automatic weapons, but what about semi auto or single shot weapons?

[tepid skiff]

it's the shots between a full accuracy reset.

so as long as recoil has influence on your follow ups, it's the same salvo.

[bold fjord]

oh interesting, thanks!

[drowsy escarp]

can rank4 Blessing be granted by upgrading to blue? like Power Cycle or Cavalcade IV

[fervent ridge]

Yes, but we're playing some heavy betting games here

[quaint jacinth]

what does this marker on the side show/mean?
i have two different missions with it

[formal granite]

nothing its just background vfx

[quaint jacinth]

lol that's what i thought at first but then i saw another mission has it exactly in the same spot

[formal granite]

other missions have other green background stuff thats copy pasted too

[drowsy escarp]

it's one of the background the mission thumbnail can have

[spiral grail]

how do make loadout?

[latent girder]

there is a little + sign on the top right of equipment screen

[quaint jacinth]

does this restore health if you take damage to toughness?

[fervent ridge]

No

[quaint jacinth]

yeah thought so
that would be so cheese

[fervent ridge]

It would make toughness stacking, which is already the most popular/meta curio setup for Zealot, become simply the only meta

as it stands 1 in maybe 20 zealots use FRA

it's a 50/50 split between HR and TWBS for most Zealot players

[tepid skiff]

damn, i'm playing wrong then, with 1 wound 2 health.

[latent girder]

I would reccommend against a wound on zealot but hp is fine

[fervent ridge]

wound is pretty meme on zealot but health stacking is also quite popular

[latent girder]

A hybrid of hp and toughness is what some people run

like 2 tough 1 hp or vice versa

[fervent ridge]

In order of hi5 viability/preference it's like
1st place : 3xtoughness
2nd place: 2tough 1 hp / 2hp 1 tough
3rd: 3xhp
||4th: 3XSTAM, 3XWOUND||

[latent girder]

I am trying to get a good set to try it

I was graced with an almost perfect toughness curio yesterday

so I am one set closer

[tepid skiff]

yeah, i don't go down often enough to justify a wound, maybe getting a toughness instead would be better.

[fervent ridge]

if you really want to do something other than hp/toughness even a 3stam curio will be better than wound bcs stam has almost 100% uptime with helping your sprints/blocks/pushattacks/rezzing teammates

Very neat utility piece you can consider swapping 1 of your hp/toughness pieces out with when you become a more skilled player and gain the confidence to make good use of that additional utility

My prediction is that as more and more people get good at the game and find damnation not all that hard there'll be a shift towards stam curio because mobility is a big deal in this game and you can do alot with being able to run for longer/block more

[tepid skiff]

haven't looked at it like that. interesting.

[fervent ridge]

My viewpoint towards mobility/utility might be skewed because of my 400 hours in damnation 300 was on knife zealot

But yea

[latent girder]

tbh I want to get stam regen curios on my vet

vet's stam regen is so ass

[fervent ridge]

stam regen / sprint efficiency are surprisingly addictive

you feel like Sonic no cap frfr

I run 1 3stam curio on my agri brauto vet just to facilitate my ability to press W into the enemy more harder

and i think it's rly sexy bcs vet doesn't need toughness

[latent girder]

after running a deadshot revolver build in hi int heresy with 3 flamers(2 psykers and a zealot)

I really felt like I needed the stam

[quaint jacinth]

why is having wounds bad?=

[latent girder]

on zealot?

in general you shouldn't be going down'

[quaint jacinth]

yes and on others

[latent girder]

but zealot in particular has ways to get around dying

[fluid flare]

zealot has a lot of tools for cheating death

[latent girder]

I run a wound on vet jsut becuase they can be so easily overwhelmed in my experience

but I don't on other classes

[fervent ridge]

because wound is a very conditional curio, you're betting on the fact you can die in a good spot and you are betting your teammates can reach you and retrieve you

it's especially bad on zealot due to the locations you'll most likely find yourself dead in since zealots main source of toughness regen is hitting enemies in melee, if you take a wound you decrease your ability to be a good melee combatant (less toughness less health) and then gamble that when you die in the middle of a crowd your vet/psyker will somehow reach you and rezz you which is asking for alot

[quaint jacinth]

can curious even have toughness as the blessing?

[latent girder]

ye

[quaint jacinth]

i just checked through the 30 i have in my inv, none of them have it

how high does it go?

[fervent ridge]

toughness base 15/16/17% curio is a common drop via the hourly shop

[latent girder]

17% is max it can roll

[fervent ridge]

15-17 for toughness
18-21 for health
2-3 for stam
1 wound

[quaint jacinth]

i guess i'm just really unlocky

not haveing even noticed toughness ones exisat

lol

[latent girder]

is there not 1 stam curios?

[fervent ridge]

I am very certain those don't exist

[quaint jacinth]

there are, i have seen a few

[fervent ridge]

extremely sure the lowest is 2 stam curio

[quaint jacinth]

maybe at lvl 30 they don't appear anymore

and it was only on a lvl 5 or something that i saw it

[fervent ridge]

because we can get a +1 stam perk on either primary or secondary weapon right

which means that a single perk on a weapon is a wholeass curio

if 1 stam curios existed lol

[quaint jacinth]

good point

[quaint jacinth]

i guess i should switch out of my 7 wound build then

[fervent ridge]

[latent girder]

max wounds pskyer to tactically blow yourself up more

[quaint jacinth]

you can be at max peril for long enough to do a full grain burst and still have time to quell

i don't know how ppl blow themselves up

[fervent ridge]

If you are worried about dying alot, utilizing cover, hugging walls (to reduce surface area) and falling back to doorways anytime an engagement happens is a good way to ensure your survivability while running actual useful curio like health or toughness

It's perfectly okay to play like a fucking pussy and tacshooter your way room by room since as long as you win it doesn't matter how long the run takes

Wounds is trusting your life in pugs' hands and that's not a good gameplan since most people who play this game are ogryns irl

And not in the useful way

[quaint jacinth]

i only just recently started doing damnation and getting proper gear

that's the only reason i have wounds at all

[fervent ridge]

Oh how's that going for you

[quaint jacinth]

monke brain see biger number better

[fervent ridge]

Yeye plasteel addiction is a good feeling

[uneven bough]

+1 stamina exists but not sure if you can roll a blessing rating so low. Would have to be while leveling

[quaint jacinth]

been able to do 5 of them on low intensity

[fervent ridge]

That's great

[quaint jacinth]

i got an okay legendary weapon and melee so now my sights are on curios

[fervent ridge]

The Emperor Protects

[dense kettle]

They do, i have one I just swapped out because I got it as my first gift ever

[fervent ridge]

Zamn

[dense kettle]

Does anyone have any mapsense advice? I keep falling behind/getting lost or separated, these greynpassageways n steel staircases all blur together

[fervent ridge]

You'll start to memorize the maps just by playing more

it's a game knowledge thing

[dense kettle]

Okay

[woeful root]

i've gotten used to the map locations, but I also have 600 hours in this game
so, uh, I guess things improve after 600 hours?

maps from the same zone share certain map sections so that certainly doesn't help

and I can't recall the names of maps off the top of my head if you show me a picture of a map section, but I'm at least able to tell whether certain map sections belong to the same map/zone

[restive parrot]

anyone got a chance of helping me with a herasy investigation run? last i need for the penance/achivement

[brave breach]

how often the global condition changes?

[rigid wasp]

i've equipped and unequipped everything and i cannot get rid of that gold dot, it's maddening

[void eagle]

Anywhere tracks when global conditions start and end? Assume would be posted or a tracker somewhere but they seam random atm

[boreal locust]

I have this problem too

[dusk escarp]

80% is the highest a stat can get on a weapon, right?

[void eagle]

its not something to do with the extra loadouts is it?

[woeful root]

yup, we have no method of exceeding that value currently
and all of your stat bars can only add up to 380 at most

[boreal locust]

I don't think so, I get it and I only have one loadout

[woeful root]

i believe that yellow circle on the cosmetic has been there since the start of the game

[young comet]

Will take note on that

[woeful root]

and for reference, what I mean by "all of your stat bars can only add up to 380 at most" is this

that underlined number can only be 380 at most, and all of the percentage values in the rectangled boxes will add up to that value. In this case, 75 + 69 + 79 + 77 + 79 = 379, but that's due to floating point errors.

[strange kiln]

also generally it's quite hard to make a bad 380 for this reason, you kinda have to have all your missing points in a key stat

to contrast a 360 has much more risk

[storm laurel]

darktide min maxxers when they get a 68% damage roll instead of 70%

[latent girder]

69% is more ideal

[woeful root]

noooooo i got 61% warp res on my force sword instead of 60%

[latent girder]

69% in anything gives a secret buff

you can trust me

[brave breach]

whats the max dmg % a weapon can roll

[woeful root]

assuming you're talking about the dmg stat on weapons, it's 80% as of right now

[cosmic sun]

I gotsa question, if the Blessing I got says 4% power scaling with stam that means the more stam bars i have the higher the percentage right?

[latent girder]

it caps at 4%

if you are talking about all or nothing

[cosmic sun]

i think thats what it was called, kinda weak compared to me just hitting things harder faster stronger

[woeful root]

yeah, as you may have noticed, the balance between Blessings is a bit... nonexistent

[cosmic sun]

i've certainly noticed, but Zealot go brr of Talents mostly

[ocean beacon]

is this max rolls

[brave breach]

i believe ive seen 521, so ima guess max is 530, modifiers are maxed however

[woeful root]

blessings can be T4; and that weapon rating is wrong because you'll notice that 380 + 50 + 90 is 520, not 515. That's just a simple calculation error though, and I think they fixed that with the recent crafting patch?

a T4 blessing is 60 iirc, so the max rating should be 550?

oh wait i've been jebaited

you bastard

[latent girder]

[woeful root]

i can't believe you've done this

[brave breach]

Wait did I miss something

[latent girder]

it's a photoshopped picture

[brave breach]

Oh

[hazy palm]

So I went on the darktide launcher to reset my graphics settings in the hope it'd fix some problems (in case it was my end not the game) and I got a message saying 'Warning: Nvidia Frame Generation is not enabled. Hardware-Accelerated GPU Scheduling needs to be enabled in Windows." I've never seen this message before. Does anyone know what this means? I have a 3060

[thin umbra]

Question: Did levelling grey weapons get nerfed at some point. Upgrading a god roll Kantrael, unlocked the first perk and re-rolled until I got what I want, but after I continued upgrading the new perk/blessing slots were pre-locked.

I swear previously you could exploit the crafting by re-rolling perks/blessings before you unlocked the second slot, allowing you to double dip with re-rolls. Did I just imagine this or...?

[fervent ridge]

No, you were always only able to reroll 1 perk

If you reroll before transcendant you get no control over the 2nd perk

it is typically advised to not reroll a godroll weapon till gold so you can keep the lesser of two evils

and salvage the really bad perk to something bis

[thin umbra]

Guess I just jebaited myself. Turned out alright tho. The other perk I got was garbage, but the second blessing was serviceable. Topped out at 528 rating.

[fervent ridge]

yea dw I also used to reroll shit prior to gold back in the days before plasteel pickup rates were boosted so it'd take like 4 damnation games' worth of wins to ascend one weapon and I'd locked a perk before so i'll get '+8% ranged weakspot dmg' and proceed to roll over and faint

At least now you won't make that mistake for future consecrations

[formal granite]

[bold fjord]

any pro tips for getting headshots w melee? I swear it was a lot easier in vermintide - seems like I have to be right on the cusp of aiming too high to hit at all or it will just count as a body shot (at least for some ogryn weapons)

[brave breach]

is there a point to +1 stamina on ranged weapon active? or a troll perk

[storm laurel]

you can sprint for an extra half second

at full speed

(troll perk)

[brave breach]

thought as much, thanks

[twilit wren]

any good or rr?

[storm laurel]

yeah that's pretty good

I'd switch out + versus specials for something better tho

like unarmored

[twilit wren]

how about now?

[tepid skiff]

much better.

[molten raven]

Bomber resistance doesnt work on the fire after it explodes, right?

[tepid skiff]

it doesn't prevent instant toughness loss from the very first damage tick, so, like a flamer resist, it's utterly worthless.

[strange kiln]

the best protip you'll get here imo is "the weapon patterns make this much easier or much harder"

some to the point they're bugged and just plain don't like getting headshots

[latent girder]

rashad namely

and the chainsword

[strange kiln]

so if you're having issues with a specific mark or something, ask in ogryn chat which ones have the good patterns for it

[mystic granite]

What needs this penance to complete? I think its bugged cause i did a mission complete full health

and not the first time

[tepid skiff]

could be bugged, but more likely explanation is that you missed some chip damage.

there are some bullshit damage sources like a dog pounce inflicting 1 automatic damage to everyone nearby through any blocks.

[uneven bough]

it was changed to 0.99 max damage taken or something a few patches ago

Also I think you have to be there from the start of the mission

[tepid skiff]

right. that could be it as well.

[mystic granite]

ok thats stupid 😄

[crude sparrow]

should i be concerned with numbers over upgrades?

[restive tulip]

yes, a weapon with a strong stat baseline is an important foundation

[crude sparrow]

can i post weapon image for comparison

[restive tulip]

feel free

not all upgrades are equally useful so it can depend

[crude sparrow]

currently equipped on right

[restive tulip]

i would be more comfortable with the left gun

more ammo and stopping power, which affects how well it damages enemies with light flak armor

[crude sparrow]

interesting

i'll try it out

[restive tulip]

better ammo pool also increases how much you get from ammo pickups, so you can do more with less

[glass light]

Achievement Level dictates my Weapon strength?

[restive tulip]

nope, achievement level just for fun to show how much you’ve done

[glass light]

saw it on a youtube video, guess they are wrong

[restive tulip]

i kinda want to see that youtube video

[latent girder]

there is a ton of misinformation on youtube

for some reason

[gentle pond]

Misinformation is free and easy to create, I figure .(

[latent girder]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[upbeat lily]

what does this sign mean?

this mission, is it completed or idk?

[warm nebula]

You have completed that mission on D3 (account-wide, iirc)

[upbeat lily]

Aaaaaaaah ty

[sweet carbon]

righg is better overall for now, but its going to be a stepping stone for later crafting

[spark barn]

Does the 2nd blessing have a greater chance at getting type 4 blessings?

[young comet]

So far I've only gotten tier 4 on the first roll. Likely equal chance

[young comet]

What's wild is the 1 damage splashes to nearby allies but the person being pounced takes no damage until their toughness is chewed enough, so they may take less (no) damage overall if the team responds fast enough.

[strange kiln]

i would give a very big pass to that question, but we can prove that it costs roughly 3 or 4x to see the second blessing in terms of plasteel than the first

so, whatever you evaluate the relative odds, know that the second roll has to be that much more likely for it to make sense

[young comet]

I definitely would like them to come out and say that it does have better odds and if it doesn't work that way, patch it in

It does make much more sense with the cost scaling shooting up that much

Honestly wondering if I should get into Datamining since there is a ton they don't tell us like class specific crit chances and the like

[strange kiln]

annoyingly all the odds are serverside as I understand it

[cold delta]

can anyone help me get heavyweight champion?

[hollow wave]

should i change one of the blessings to adhesive charge ? probably gloryhunter not like i am killing something with this only stagger

[spark barn]

Is it true that the main body determines what damage bonus type works for the flamer?

[nimble lintel]

do any of you all have some pro tips to help me with getting my last achievement

I tried vet I tried Zelot I tried Ogryn and I always end up dying to a random triple sniper crusher combo or some fucking barells

[little coyote]

dodgeslide is your friend

[vocal nacelle]

Dodge Reflex

[fervent ridge]

BRISTLY?

Psyker name starting with m..

or something

If I recall correctly

[broken dawn]

should i buy this?

[fervent ridge]

yep absolutely

[vocal nacelle]

Yep

[fervent ridge]

Not like you're running out of ordos anyways

Amd agri inf auto is very good

That thing also has really amazing rolls in all the right areas

[fervent ridge]

we gotta play again together sometimes

[broken dawn]

this one too?

[vocal nacelle]

👍

[fervent ridge]

nah graia is really shit

The only model of inf and braced autoguns worth buying are both agripinaa

Graia and columnus are just seriously outclassed

[vocal nacelle]

Im actually an ogryn main

[brave breach]

can the emperor gift be a curio without that curio stat?

[woeful root]

i'm not sure what you mean, but curios must have a main stat. Gray curios do not exist; only green, blue, purple, and orange curios exist

oh nvm you're asking if you can get a curio as an emperor's gift without that +% chance of emperor's gift as curio

[brave breach]

Correct, that is my question

[swift zealot]

try safe team builds like power maul and rumbler load out and cc the hell out of everything while the team murders. Armor/carapace enemy types get trivialized when using power maul. Just spam special attack and it'll either murk or open up the bullies and crushers for your team to kill, while stunning the immediate area; giving team breathing room to do their thing. Try to clear the area before moving on to next zone so you can control the engagement, to a degree. Idk not sure if these suggestions will help, everyone has their own playstyle. Good luck and have fun!

[vagrant spade]

Any tips on beating the boss with the sword and shield in malice (3rd difficulty). On 2nd difficulty I would usually just melee and dodge with a dropped medkit but I couldn't get it to work with randoms on malice. I play Veteran for reference

[nimble lintel]

dodge around his overhaead whenever he goes for a massive swing just dash back

dont shoot his shield cause it has way reduced range damage
hit em with all you got onbce shield goes down

alternatively if people are listening at all

if he attacks you in particular just run and let everyone else chip em down

always keep your back to a wall cause he has barel level knock back

[vagrant spade]

So we should be meleeing the boss vs just shooting right? A random psy called me an idiot (level 5) and he was of course shooting in the back

[tepid skiff]

yes. with a rather low probability, and usually of terrible quality. so more of a bad thing.

[latent girder]

also at around half shield he will generally do a blast around him that ermoved toughness

so becareful about that

[tepid skiff]

assassination target's void shields takes something like 6 times less damage from ranged, compared to melee. but his health takes damage like a regular monstrosity. so when he's unbubbled go ham with whatever.

[latent girder]

*note that the assassination target is flak hp

also if you are a thunder hammer gamer

don't use the special against the shield

for what ever reason it does way less damage

[uneven bough]

there's a per hit damage cap

vs shield

[latent girder]

ye

it's like what

5%?

8%?

something around there

[tepid skiff]

chainweapons go around that cap nicely due to dealing damage in small chunks.

[vagrant spade]

True I noticed that but I just started using power sword this week and it's sooo addicting

[lusty rain]

is there a list anywhere of penance rewards? not just the skins but frames/insignias/trinkets?

[slow fog]

In the penance list

[fringe zealot]

Where does one turn if they need help with a penance?

I need help doing the psyker BB penance

[slow fog]

Probably LFG

[fringe zealot]

Very well, thanks

[slow fog]

Or the dedicated class chat

[thorny slate]

Hi qq - I have a perk on a Ogryn cleaver that says "7.5% more power on Special Action Hit". Does that mean I do 7.5% more damage after punching an enemy?

I guess does power = damage?

[brave breach]

Power does a lot more than dmg

[fading jackal]

When using the Rumbler, do the explosions of the grenades count as "Ranged Damage"? Or are explosions from grenades a seperate type of damage?

[latent girder]

for what specifically

[drowsy escarp]

On plague scanning mission, before dropping down to large open area and final airlock, there's a spot where Deamonhost can spawn blocking the path

How can one reliably sneak pass thru that damn thing?

[thorn sequoia]

whyyyy does this keep hhappening to meeeee

[fervent ridge]

Hug the right wall and move very slowly

[drowsy escarp]

the railing?

[fervent ridge]

No the wall, where the crate is

[coral violet]

Theres a parkour ledge grab jump on the left when you enter daemonhoe floor

Just spam spacebar after you jump

Shaves off like 5-10 seconds off the mission timer too

[brave breach]

Just kill the daemonhost and rid the planet of one less heretic

[coral zealot]

when trying to get better curios, should I consecrate greens or wait until I see a blue with modifier I'll use and consecrate that?

[tepid skiff]

green to blue is quite cheap, and good curios are extremely rare, so it would be unwise to skip upgrading good greens.

[coral zealot]

ok ty!

how about on a purple curios with 1/2 traits i want, do i give up and try on another one or upgrade it all the way to see if i get 2/3 to reroll the 3rd?

[formal granite]

dont recommend that unless ur feeling lucky

pretty expensive to upgrade to orange

and if u get garbage its wasted

[tepid skiff]

very much this.

[coral zealot]

ohhh thanks again

[quaint jacinth]

i thought this shows that's the highest difficulty you have completed each mission

if so
how did i just unlock this?

[coral violet]

You finished some other raid? Its per map

[quaint jacinth]

aaaaah

[fervent ridge]

Yeppers there is more than 1 Raid map, congrats on the best frame in the game

Goes crazy

[quaint jacinth]

what goes crazy?

[fervent ridge]

It looks great, the frame I mean

[quaint jacinth]

i've only completed all the damnation missions on low intensity

[brave breach]

Lmao, i love how low intensity makes the game easier yet gives you extra gold

[quaint jacinth]

not anymore since the last 1.4 update
only high intensity gives more now

and proportionally more as well, not just a tiny spec more

[brave breach]

Wait really? Was it the patch with crafting?

[quaint jacinth]

yup
secondary objectives and high intensity now give more xp and gold
and low intensity no longer gives anything

i mean presumably on low intensity you are rewarded with time as you can complete the mission faster

[fervent ridge]

Low int is rly boring, sometimes there are less enemies than on Malice

They nerfed it too hard

Some lo5 magistrati rounds will have <900 enemies 💀

[quaint jacinth]

can you roll the same mod but different tier on the same item?
like 4% toughness and 8% toughness on the same curos

[pliant oak]

99% sure no

Well you can have base toughness as perk toughness

[fervent ridge]

Not possible

[quaint jacinth]

chance of curio as mission reward perk
does it stack
and if yes, additively or multiplicatively?

[uneven bough]

Yes. Offhand I think additively. Seen bug reports about it not working since the recent big patch, but haven't tested.

[quaint jacinth]

so at max it can be 60% ?

[uneven bough]

Right, but that might just be 60% higher than the base chance rather than 60+base

[quaint jacinth]

is there even a base chance?

[uneven bough]

You do get curios as rewards without the perk

[quaint jacinth]

ah

just very rarely presumably

[brave breach]

Do we know the chance?

[uneven bough]

I think that is handled server side

[quaint jacinth]

can armory exchange sell toughness blessing curios?
i've been checking with multiple characters hourly for days and i haven't seen one

[uneven bough]

Sure

[quaint jacinth]

i've only seen ppl talking about then, i've yet to see one myself

i'm starting to think it's like an inside joke among ppl

[formal granite]

among us

[fervent ridge]

they can and they can also drop blue curios with t4 perk

But that's been getting rarer after the recent patch

(this ss is 1 month old)

[strange kiln]

which you would predict, since there are less store slots dedicated to curios now

[fervent ridge]

I was very lucky to snap up multiple blue curio with t4 base perk before the patch, which guarantees I have at least 2 t4 perks out of 3

and if luck is on my side I even got a couple curios with all 3 perks at t4

nowadays that seems like a pipedream

[strange kiln]

i prioritized clearing the blessing breakpoint, but yeah basically. i'm happy with ideal blessing utility, a t4 and two t3s so long as they're the ones i want

but if i had to do that on a new character i would predict it taking something like twice as long now

[tepid perch]

mutant AND tox flamer?

[fervent ridge]

I've since swapped it out for actually useful resistances

Like sniper and gunner

And also leaned more towards rerolling for stam regen / toughness regen / sprint efficiency over health or toughness t4 perks

Utility feels sexier in t5

[golden pivot]

does 1 toughness curios help that much? on my zealot I am stacking 3 health curios

[tepid skiff]

like on ogryn, arguably you get much more value out of health. but t-curio boosts not just pool, but also all recovery, since it's in percentage of the pool.

unlike ogryn, zealot doesn't have that much constant recovery, but t1 feat, ult, momentum on weapons (if any), all of that will yield 16% more good stuff.

at the end of the day i don't think it'll make or break a run either way, it's more of a opinion clash / holywar thing.

(and whatever curios you have, because good luck getting good ones)

[golden pivot]

yeah, know the feeling. i did get rid of a lot of health curios on vet, now regret it

320 toughness if fun, until its gone

[tepid skiff]

ye, i also run 300+ on vet, because i figure if 165 health didn't save me, 200-ish also wouldn't. but being able to facetank a screenful of shooters is a unique capability of immense team value.

the only situation where lack of health curios starts to matter is 2 grims.

[latent girder]

zealot has a lot of ways to leverage toughness

well

not alot

but about as much as ogryn

[tepid skiff]

not even close, imo, because ogryn has confident strikes.

that's abot the only difference, but it's a massive difference.

[storm laurel]

zealot needs some of that

[brave breach]

i can confirm it can

[quaint jacinth]

is it possible to roll 5% toughness if the curio already has 5% max health
i've been rolling for 15 min

[strange kiln]

yes

[quaint jacinth]

i've rolled toughness 4% 20 times and every other t4 perk several times
been rolling so much it made me question if it's even possible

[woeful root]

i hope you're using the reroll until rarity mod

[quaint jacinth]

the who now what?

[woeful root]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/30

[quaint jacinth]

nope not using it

[woeful root]

it helps; i just click refine, pop up youtube, and check when it's done

the only caveat is that this mod can only reroll until a certain rarity rather than specific perk

[quaint jacinth]

whats the ban risk?

[latent girder]

should be 0

[woeful root]

this mod was created by aussiemon, one of the people who made the mod framework which was done in collaboration with fatshark (or, at the very least, one of their employees)

so it probably flies fine by them

i think fatshark also released a statement about modding but I can't find it

here it is
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/darktide-modding-policy/75407

[thorn sequoia]

how good is headtaker?

[odd sparrow]

I have started using some mods like the reroll one it's actually real easy to install just dump the files into the right place and edit a note pad doc and it all works

[jagged shuttle]

In the in mission social tab, didn’t parties use to be shown by making their names brown, and solo queued people were white when unselected, but now everyone’s name tags are brownish in the social tab.

[young comet]

To clarify, the mod doesn't eliminate cost, just spamming the button for you. Since it becomes free after a certain point, it hits a wall instead of resource cost it's mental endurance to get what you want

But Fatshark official statement is modding is cool as long as it doesn't invalidate anyone else's experience. As long as it's not outright cheating you're good

[brave breach]

Devs said as long as no you're not disrupting anyone else experience you're good

[tepid perch]

Using an auto-gambler invalidates someone else's effort when they manually gamble

[onyx knot]

is stability important for lasguns?

[candid gyro]

it's manageable with those stats that should be able to hit 1shs breakpoints on nearly all non-elites

[onyx knot]

[drowsy escarp]

the game have weird trailing afterimage effect when object/entities move (similar to WTF? by OK Go MV). what cause it? and can I turn it off?

[fervent ridge]

No idea what causes it but it can't be turnt off as far as I'm aware

there was a reddit post about it recently

Some people attributed it to motion blur

this has been found out to not be the case

Happens to my game too, usually for poxwalkers going in a line in the distance

[woeful root]

they talk about it being caused by FSR

for me, it also happens with DLSS turned on

[tepid skiff]

depending on a weapon, it can have a different stack value, and therefore varies from 'very' to 'ultimately'.

[tepid skiff]

your aim sway will be terrible, like being permanently drunk. it's not the end of the world, but be prepared that you won't be hitting distant headshots with any sort of reliability.

and follow-up shot placement won't be great either.

[storm laurel]

mobility is the better dump stat if you can get lucky

[tepid skiff]

even ammo can be dumped with less loss, since k12 has absurd ammo efficiency. it won't be neat, of course, but negligible in practice.

[tawny creek]

yo guys im considering on buying this game on Steam since its on sale rn, do you need a mic to play efficiantly or not?

[storm laurel]

it can help but not really needed

[tawny creek]

and what state is the game in? is it playable, ie, does it crash a lot have a lot of bugs and such?

[storm laurel]

I've only had one crash since release

[woeful root]

some people have it much worse than others; as for me, the game runs fine and rarely crashes

[tawny creek]

ok thanks a lot, ima go try it, if nothing i can always refund lol

[storm laurel]

and for bugs none that really stand out

[woeful root]

you'll probably notice any technical issues before the refund period runs out

[tawny creek]

ok thanksa lot guys

[modest elm]

How do you unlock the goggles+bandana head cosmetics? Pretty sure they're earnable without money

[tepid skiff]

class penances. look them up in escape menu.

[fervent ridge]

Heresy penance gear or something iirc

[formal granite]

🤓

[tepid skiff]

there are several outfits and 2 consequent hats for each class. some penances are quite difficult.

but on the flip side, when you see a dude with t2 hat in your lobby, you know this isn't his first rodeo.

[quaint jacinth]

i haven't encountered any issues at all, my friend couldn't even launch the game for weeks before and after launch
and he has better hardware than me lol

[quaint jacinth]

i installed a numeric UI mod and it shows me a 0/2 number that goes up when i dash and resets after a second
what is that all about?=

[fervent ridge]

Might be your dodge count

You're gonna have to go in the mod settings

go psykhanium

spend about 15 minutes in there

toggle everything on and off

Just to figure out what mod does what exactly

[quaint jacinth]

yeah i know it's the dodge count
i'm asking more, what is it and what does it do

[formal granite]

yea numeric ui added dodge count

[fervent ridge]

uh

your dodge count is your dodge count

it will change depending on what weapon you're equipping

say, knife has 5 dodges, for example

[quaint jacinth]

if it's just a count that has no meaning
why is it x/2

and what happens if i do 6/2

[fervent ridge]

if it goes in the red that means you're out of dodges I guess

might need a video

[formal granite]

2 is max before ur dodges start going less distance

[fervent ridge]

to see what you're talking about

[formal granite]

if u exceed 2 for that weapon youll notice ur dodges gettingn shorter and shorter

[quaint jacinth]

okay thanks that's an actual answer that says something
not just _dodges do doges when u dodge _

[fervent ridge]

I just assumed it's common gameplay knowledge that when you exceed the dodge count on X weapon your dodges are no longer the full distance dodge

but a quick stumble to the side that barely goes anywhere

Lol

[quaint jacinth]

i didn't even know weapons have a "dodge count" until i got this mod

[fervent ridge]

x_x

Please go to your inventory and pressing inspect

[formal granite]

if u turn on dodge debug info itll show the distance multiplier and cooldown

[fervent ridge]

on every weapon you're using to find out how many dodges they have, what is their sprint cost, stamina cost, block count, so you know what each of them do

different weapons will affect how fast you sprint for how long, how much blocking you can do etc.

useful combat information

it's intuitive to a certain extent, like people would sprint with a knife and not with a flame thrower because it's visibly slower

But for some other weapons the differences are more subtle

some nice news from today's patch for anyone who hasn't seen it

[quaint jacinth]

now you saying all of that makes it obvious
if i just play, its hard to nitice any difference if my dodge is suddenly 10% shorter when im focusing on not dying

[fervent ridge]

Finally I will no longer get a 360 green after winning hi intensity damnation with double grims

[quaint jacinth]

whats the highest base rating weapons can appear

i've not seen anything 380+

[fervent ridge]

the highest base rating is 380

[quaint jacinth]

5k plasteel to increase base rating by 1 when?

[formal granite]

today

[median cipher]

how about that quickflame buff and that soon to be flamer nerf

loving that buff cause i just got a t4 of it but now im kinda worried about whats gonna happen to flamers

[fervent ridge]

it might be a small overally ammo nerf

but with the fucked up state of the power blessings on flamer that should be a non issue, flamer does have alot of ammo to begin with anyways

[median cipher]

i hope its just that i finally got a great flamer and i dont wanna shelve it

[tepid skiff]

that already live?

[fervent ridge]

Yes, it is live

There are also some changes not stated in the patch

Which as usual we are having to find out via our own testing in psykhanium

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1082616450176536626/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_replay_2023.03.07-02.50.mp4

Starting with how mk v does like 50% less dmg to maniac now

What the fuck

[median cipher]

bruh

[fervent ridge]

500+ rated mk v with 25 maniac and it takes like 10 hits to kill a rager

mk v mains (me) dead in the water

[median cipher]

im right there with ya

well im gutted hope that gets fixed quickly

[formal granite]

they said it was a bug fix in patch notes

[restive tulip]

119 damage on dreg maniacs, you’re basically swinging a vet shovel at it

[quaint jacinth]

i just bought a weapon from Melks and it's not showing up in my inventory???? please help

[tepid skiff]

speaking of it, what's the point of vet shovel? it doesn't seem to do anything.

well, pushstab chops nicely, especially with a blessing specifically for it. but otherwise i couldn't find any reason to take it over chainsword.

[fervent ridge]

Roleplay Kriegsman for the Deathkorps fanboys

[reef hornet]

which autoguns have punch through?

[restive tulip]

it’s certainly not a meta pick, but it’s decent as a middle ground between swords and axes.
the special attack poke reliably stumbles everything up to Crushers, and yeah the push attack is nice

compared to a chainsword, the advantage it would have is being able to quickly stagger an elite enemy in a mixed horde, if you’re stuck in melee

most of the blessings for shovel stink unfortunately, so that’s about it

Honestly shovel and chainsword are my comfort melees

[fervent ridge]

based chainsword user

[quaint jacinth]

i made a post about it on the forums
is there any chance anyone will even look at it and i can get my weapon back or am i just praying to the void

[tepid perch]

go deep enough and you might find the bones of accatran recon mains

[warm nebula]

Unfortunately, odds are low. Your transaction-requested packets may have simply been sacrificed to Nidhoggr the Net Serpent 😔

[fervent ridge]

💀 real

[tepid skiff]

i've tried mk6 dakkatran with t4 infernus on damnation, it works perfectly fine. outdamages flamer zealots on monstrosities. eats ammo faster than you can pick it up though.

[tepid perch]

Yeah i would hope a weapon with a very specific t4 blessing works "perfectly fine". Or, dare i say, good even.

You know what else works "perfectly fine" on damnation? Green autoguns and kantraels.

With less ammo issues to boot.

[tepid skiff]

don't forget braceds. and lucii. and laspistols.

[tepid perch]

"autoguns"

[tepid skiff]

ah, fair enough.

[tepid perch]

and lucius' aren't great green, blue and purple are where they shine

at the very least need that slot for onslaugth

but green vraks just wreck

[tepid skiff]

they don't have good blessings though, except over-whatnot that doubles charge rate.

[tepid perch]

seems like quite the better deal than min maxing crit perks with t4 infernus on an accatran

[tepid skiff]

onslaught, right. that's it.

plasma also doesn't have any meaningful blessings, but it does require top rolls and perks.

and it sucks compared to S-tier guns anyway, so.