gameplay-help

[worldly bolt]

Is there a spreadsheet where I can see what all the item blessings are?

trying to figure out what would be good blessings for Bolter and Flamer

[thorn reef]

What do you think of this? mobility as dump stat, not sure if i should really care or if i should upgrade this

reroll infested if i get a better perk, thoughts?

[thorn reef]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapon-blessing-traits

[worldly bolt]

so does Overpressure mean that it does more damage the more you fire or the other way around?

[elfin perch]

been playing in a party of 3 on gamepass and we get "matched" with a bot every time. we've been careful not to press "p" but "enter instead so it isnt a private game but still, always bots. are we doing something wrong?

[warm nebula]

Might just be low player counts...

[meager tapir]

can someone help me with on overwatch

[heavy shuttle]

Definitely not a bad starter for a xii. I'd recommend rerolling that infested into an +dmg to specials or elites.

Two blessings I like for the xii are ghost and the suppression resistance

What was the original perk you rerolled? That carapace perk sucks by my testing due to lasgun mechanics.

[wraith raven]

+1 stamina while weapon active.

[heavy shuttle]

Ah, yeah. You made the right call.

[strange viper]

hay all just wanted to ask a question on a curio it is 15% tox flamers it is only tox flamers and not the scav ones thought i would ask around

[plush schooner]

hey lads i was wondering the psyker head pop, can it crit?

[frail gyro]

Is toughness regen broken at the moment?

[hard goblet]

Yes.

[hard goblet]

Only tox flamers as far as I know since the game calls them different units.

[dense smelt]

I'd think both. Aren't the green flames just tox flames? No matter the actual units names. Weak trait either way.

[plain berry]

Is there a way to ensure that you will start a match at the very beginning?

[mighty fox]

Private match

[plain berry]

so not alone

[dense smelt]

Quickplay tooltip states possibility to join in progress. So selection missions might not?

[heavy shuttle]

selecting the mission you want from the terminal puts you in a lobby 👍🏻

[quasi tiger]

Anyone know if using a controller on PC, how to use the force sword's special?

[empty horizon]

so the game gets stuck on a loading image when you try to buy aquilas without steam overlay enabled>?

yeah just turned it on and its fine now

[icy jackal]

Not always

[half fossil]

I always choose missions from the terminal and it can put you in a mission that's already started. Only way is with a private match, or selecting a mission as soon as it becomes available.

[thorn reef]

I always thought if you select quick play it can drop you anywhere in a current game. But if you select from the mission board, it either sends you to a lobby or a game that has just started (like the players are in the first segment). That’s been my experience anyway, I haven’t selected a mission from the board and been dropped in a late phase mission.

[dapper robin]

New crafting update when? 😦

[tepid skiff]

at this rate? maybe this month. but not necessarily.

[dapper robin]

I just hope that blessing rerolls work like perk rerolls

where you can reroll a slightly higher blessing

I've tried 3 times to get a good blessing on my flamers, I got 3 of them so far and none of them ahve been above 35

[rotund fable]

Is there a current list of max ratings for things like the blessings and traits for objects?

I've heard that the max for an item's base stats is around 350-380?

[warm nebula]

Haven’t heard of the max number for curios. I’m sure the data is out there tho

[rotund fable]

I've been trying to find the max numbers for my equipment but its really hard is there any for guns and melee someone has on hand

[viral rover]

R3 button, R thumbstick down

[viral rover]

Gameslatern has lists for blessing and perks. DMG ranges stagger etc can be seen in game if you inspect the weapon.

[viral rover]

380 for raw base stats is max

[quasi tiger]

Ty

[viral rover]

it can be at anypoint, although it would be nice if they made quick play random option to fill in for any dificulty

[viral rover]

It is decent enough to roll a blessing if the blessing is good roll 2nd perk then if that is good its a keeper.

Armor reduction for entire team

[rigid wasp]

so thats why my Shovel on Ogryn is doing so much help for the team

i have the blessing that grants 3 stacks of it

[thorn reef]

how does this work? is each stack worth 5%? so target would effectively get 10% brittleness?

Also, can the target have more than two stacks? if i hit again in 5 seconds would the target now have 4 stacks of 5% brittleness?

[warm nebula]

Why isn't it just one stack of 10%?

[thorn reef]

yea i was confused about that too lol

[warm nebula]

#justDarktideThings

[fervent ridge]

The game is sometimes not amazing with its phrasing of blessings

Or stuff in general

(Lol)

[craggy snow]

Anyone know what the max rating in terms of modifiers are for wargear?

[viral rover]

520 is the best guess I have but really all that matters is the individual section points. Tier 4 perk ÷ Tier 4 blessings with a 380 base score.

[clever roost]

How do I get the HUD scale below 50%?
It's not in the user_settings.ini so I can't lower it manually

I tried to add the "hud_scale =" parameter from vermintide 2 .ini but it's not recognized

[craggy snow]

So 380 okay ty

[strong echo]

Hi, new here. What does "suppress enemies" mean for a weapon? specifically Terrifying barrage "suppress enemies within 7m radius on close range kill"

[viral rover]

When you kill something with that perk everything in 7m will cower

[clever roost]

"everything"?...

From my experience only 1 enemy is affected

[viral rover]

As long as they are within 7m they should

[strong echo]

I got these in back to back missions and trying to figure out if the 449 is worth keeping or just stick to the 469

(veteran btw)

[clever roost]

"should" and "fat shark" don't go together

[clever roost]

The 469 one is better

more ammo, more stopping power (damage), and no respite as a blessing

[strong echo]

so the terrifying barrage isn't worth the slight downgrade?

[clever roost]

Bad blessing, sounds good, doesn't work

Go to the meat grinder and test, you'll see

[strong echo]

ic

[clever roost]

It does literally nothing

[viral rover]

Meat grinder science is the way.

[clever roost]

I have it on my braced autogun but i'm still getting meleed by groaners, they just don't care

The per shot suppression is more effective than the blessing

[graceful halo]

Do you know if passive auras of ckass apply to yourself, or really only allies ?

[viral rover]

Self but some one has to be in range

[dapper robin]

I hope fatshark does my optimization for the game 😦

[hollow flare]

terifying barrage does work
its just a shame that supression is completly worthless and to actually procc it you have to kill something within like 4 meters at which point you are in 99% of the cases swapping to your melee weapon anyways

[thorn reef]

Can someone tell me what difference between the Mk I Devils Claw and the Mk VII Devils Claw is? I have two that are very similar in stats and honestly can tell one bit of difference between them.

Just checked all the upper and lower bounds on the modifiers of each: identical. Also the same attack patterns for both. And same access to blessings. Wtf?

[dapper robin]

What is the highest Max health % you can get on a curio

is it 22% or 21%?

[thorn reef]

I thought it was 25%

[fervent ridge]

21% base, 5% from perk

For a total of 26% max HP overall per curio

Hp curios: 19- 21% max HP depending on rarity (absolute total 26% with 5% HP perk)

Toughness curios: 15- 17% bonus toughness depending on rarity (absolute total 22% with 5% Toughness perk)

Hope that helps

[lament sand]

would rending apply if an enemy is damaged by a rumbler/GG explosion, or does the grenade need to hit them?

[plain coral]

after testing, it has to be a direct hit to apply rending.

[errant fox]

Looking for group for -It's just a fleshwound- penance

[mighty fox]

how long does bloodthirsty blessing last?

[viral rover]

Test it in meatgrindger lmk

[mighty fox]

unclear

[viral rover]

womp womp

[jaunty sierra]

Is error 2006 means I got kicked off game by my teammates?

[heavy shuttle]

thoughts for the veteran?

Is falter sub-optimal?

in comparison to what I already have

[tepid skiff]

what you have is obviosly the best.

[heavy shuttle]

:/ damn

[fiery vigil]

first one is better but not because of the blessings

the stats should give you a fair amount of new oneshots

let me double check

[heavy shuttle]

Obviously the carapace dmg needs to get re-rolled

but that's easy enough.

[fiery vigil]

ok I cba to calculate all this

just go reroll both weapons to +25% flak

go into psyk

see what you barely fail to onetap with the second one

in volley fire obviously

stopping power dramatically improves you damage against several armour classes

[heavy shuttle]

Alright so reroll carapace into flak.

[fiery vigil]

reroll both weapons to flak

[heavy shuttle]

Is that due to most enemies having flak right?

[viral rover]

the ones with more hp yea

[viral rover]

is a way you could go with the stagger one it could be really strong

[heavy shuttle]

Very true. Kinda sucks its in the middle of both set ups. Falter without No Respite, and Deadly Accurate without Between the Eyes

[heavy shuttle]

Trapper right?

[fiery vigil]

oh trapper 1tap is huge

[heavy shuttle]

Yeah, can 1 tap with first choice

[fiery vigil]

optimal mg12 btw is

obviously high bars

with

+flak +maniacs

opening salvo

no respite

fuck off @grizzled moat

thanks

but yeah that setup gets you insane oneshot bps

shotgunner 1tap without volley

both gunners 1tap in volley

bodyshot bps on all rifle guys

[clever roost]

I swear it doesn't on my end. After that discussion yesterday I was careful and paid more attention to my surroundings and the blessing just didn't work, like at all. Not once did a shooter or a groaner was affected when I killed its friend right in front of its face.

[heavy shuttle]

No respite without falter?

[fiery vigil]

stagger comes from other sources

[bleak maple]

should i buy it? special currency

[fervent ridge]

Nah save your Melk coins

[tranquil grove]

That's actually a really good roll for a braced autogun so if that's a weapon archetype you enjoy get it and replace damage to groaners/poxwalkers with I would recommend anti-elite or anti-flak. Flak is a good universal perk because most enemies that dont already die in 1 hit have some form of flak on them.

[tacit nacelle]

Help, I am stuck!

[fervent ridge]

Help is on the way kindred

StepPreacher is inbound

[tame gazelle]

any bros here to help a psyker suicide into 3 elites 😦

this penance system is such garbage

[tropic beacon]

yo do ya still need help?

[tame gazelle]

@tropic beaconyep

[tropic beacon]

ill squad up with ya

[tame gazelle]

ty

let me get out of this game real quick

[tropic beacon]

strike team 16

[tame gazelle]

what does that mean? :I

[tropic beacon]

its a voice room here in the server

loin it and we can talki

[tame gazelle]

ah!

i see

[mighty fox]

is there a way to know in game what item stat cap is for point value,

IE main weapon stat can have values of 1-400? for the combined attributes

[tepid skiff]

380 is the cap. 2 top tier perks for 25 each, and 2 top tier blessings for 55 each make for 540 as the current maximal possible overall score.

[mighty fox]

but i have a 395

is there a legitimate source for these things or it just player experience

[hollow flare]

i think the 380 cap came after beta, so you can still have 380+ greys if you got them prior to launch

[mighty fox]

could you find me a link to this? it would be informative as im putting together some sources

[tepid skiff]

pic pls.

[limber aurora]

I'm wanting to get into 40k, the minis one, what are some tips/things to know before I go and buy a starter pack? (Other than committing savings suicide)

[plain coral]

buy a 3d printer

[next vector]

LFG to complete “going out with a bang” psyker penance. Microsoft servers

[ivory nymph]

Does anyone know if you can switch characters or log out while trying on 1 char for the ' flawless execution' penance?

and/or play missions on another char (i.e. do they count whichever char you play and/or is it a per-char counter?)

[feral gust]

Flawless Execution: "without being downed" << does that include hounds/trappers?

• skills issue but I feel like the game is determined to take me down after the 3-4 game

[tepid skiff]

thankfully, no. hanging off ledges doesn't break the penance chain either. only getting into red health incap.

[dire prism]

For perk rerolls I noticed the cost goes down slowly with each try for whatever reason, does it eventually go to 0 so I can just infinitely reroll for the perk and tier I want?

[tepid skiff]

i recommend doing it on zealot since he has a built-in failure prevention passive. it's not fail-proof, but might save in a pinch.

[dire prism]

Hilarious thank you fatshork

[tepid skiff]

yes. it's a highly stupid and immature system, so be prepared to click 'reroll' for half an hour if you want something specific. the upfront costs are about 300 steel.

more for an orange item, less for lower rarity.

[dire prism]

I'll do it tomorrow during my next pointless work meeting lol

[sand fiber]

Anyone able to help a psyker do the malleus Monstronum penence?

[fervent ridge]

Sure, you up rn? I can get on

[sand fiber]

yeah just in the final parts of a mission

[fervent ridge]

Let's get you that penance

[long arch]

I hope not, I need salt from the subreddit to put food on my family 🧂

[long arch]

wow, 2 hours later and no post? Server ded?

[fervent ridge]

My brother in christ, we are gaming

[frigid swallow]

could anyone help me with heavy weight champ? I know everyone hates this question...^^

[feral gust]

How to kill a monstrosity < 5secs?
(3x flamers, near the spawn point?)

[neat jacinth]

4 vets with bolters using volley fire with the +monstrosity damage?

[uneven bough]

a thunder hammer with thrust and unyielding damage does 8-9k per heavy

So two shots a monstrosity on malice, four hits on damnation

[glass grove]

is there a datamining % chance of emperor gifts at the end of a mission? Or is it just completely broken?

[compact prism]

anyone else feels dizzy/their eyes hurt when using any FSR set to quality mode? i play on 1680x1050 display so maybe I shouldnt be using it?

[warm nebula]

What graphics card do you have? “FSR” is AMD tech

[paper haven]

anyone got tips on how to use the heavy sword's special attack? It feels awkward trying to use.

[compact prism]

1660super palit.

[warm nebula]

That’s a Nvidia-designed GPU in that graphics card. I suggest you disable FSR.

Although, that card is also getting long in the tooth, so to speak. It’s gonna struggle playing Darktide in any situation…

Congratulations (?), you might have just come across your justification for a gaming PC upgrade

[compact prism]

oh well. ive just got new ram mb and a cpu

[dire prism]

Not sure the % chance being busted but I read on reddit I believe someone figured its limited to like 20 per week which I would totally believe

[fervent ridge]

Yes, 20 a week is correct

[warm nebula]

Oof

[glass grove]

who came up with this idea...I have the feeling developers had not really group meetings and anyone did their own thing. Picking up grims/scriptures does not make any sense then, because the chance you get a gift is random, even with secondary objectives met.

[fervent ridge]

It's completely randomized

And I mean absolutely, difficulty/special conditions deaths rezzes etc have no bearing on it

20 games of heresy+, best I got is a blue curio, queued 1 game of sedition with lvl 1 friend who just downloaded DT, gold 489 rated thammer

So don't sweat it, play anything

[haughty veldt]

So currently I'm a bolter eviscerator zealot... would it be better to stick to crowd control? Seeing how the Veteran literally has an ability to see elites/etc?

[glass grove]

I would rather use the stubber revolver or the shotgun. Flamer is also a nice CC weapon. Bolter just eats through ammo and VS can do elite killing better at range than the preacher. At the end you need to go the crit/bleed route anyway, otherwise you just keep dying. The preacher is a little weird balanced, so you are somewhat forced to play a certain playstyle. Sure, you can do any weapon you want, but that just increases the suffering of playing.

[dapper robin]

Idk depends I’ve been playing a LOT of zealot lately as a veteran and zealot main..

I’d suggest Bolter Knife, or Flamer and one of the power melees for zealots tbh

Spamming knife with bleed is pretty good crowd clear and bolter melts crushers and mailers

[glass grove]

one way or another, you get cramps in your fingers very quickly from spamming light attacks. Unfortunately the power hammer is just bad atm, so heavy attack crowd control is not viable.

The Mark IV heavy sword is also pretty good in terms of horde clearing, but yes, then you need a bolter, because armor pen does not exist in that sword at all

[tepid skiff]

heavy swords deal with hard targets just fine.

crushers take a bit of whooping, sure, but it's about on par with most other weapons.

[dapper robin]

Well that’s why I said flamer or power melee

Power melee is for ap, flamer is cc

That was my go to melee combo for a while and it worked fine, I just swapped to knife bolter because it’s more fun imo

[glass grove]

Personally I hope they nerf or rework the dagger. Right now you are practically immortal with it and bleed stacks. Thats what I meant preacher is not good balanced

[gilded cove]

Ignore this nonsense. I've got hundreds of games on Zealot, here's the deal. (Bare in mind this is all from the context of you playing on Damnation. On Malice or lower, there are no rules and the points don't matter)

Flamer is the best ranged weapon you have, objectively if we assume that you're playing with randoms/uncoordinated groups. It can easily kill any non-ogryn elite even on damnation in less than a full tank of fuel. (And kills everything around it too. You can easily pick up 60+ kills in a single sweep of the thing)

You combine the Flamer with either an evis or a TH to give yourself the ability to easily tangle with any enemy in the game, including monstrosities, this gives you big clutch/solo potential once you get used to dodging dogs/nets.

If you're playing with a group who you know has AOE covered through some combo of another flamer or a flame psyker, you can swap to a bolter if you want. This gives you ranged takedown options on a wider variety of targets.

If you're not using the flamer, it's wise to either stick with the Evis for it's above average horde clear and good anti-elite or switch to a heavy sword for the high horde clear. Though said clearing is really only available once you get decent blessings.

The knife is a meme. It's okay in highly skilled hands for the extreme mobility it has but it's worse single target than the evis/TH and it's way worse AOE than something like a HS.

Shotgun is awful but fun, can be used in Malce or lower.

Stack absolutely as much toughness as you can get, it's how you stay alive. Momentum is the best Blessing you can get on anything and will hugely improve your survivability.

[haughty veldt]

Sounds good! 😊

Haven't played a lot of high level yet, but do love the Bolter. But I'll always swap to something efficient if I am in a specific team layout 😄

I'm now only trying to level up my dodging, blocking and pushing skills, so I have a higher survivability if I DO go higher level

[glass grove]

I disagree with some points there. The shotgun is very good in supressing specials and elites (except crushers/bulwarks) and if you aim downsides, you can even snipe to some degree. The knife is more than a meme weapon, since it can buff ogryn too. Horde clear should be your least concern, ogryn and psyker can easily fend of a horde on their own.

The mark V axe is damn strong to. The heavy evi is good in clearing if you use light-block-light yes. But if you ref it up, make sure you are not in a bad spot, since this locks you in about 1 1/2 second animation. I would say the easiest weapon to use is either the heavy sword Mark IX or the Mark V axe.

[gilded cove]

Do yourself a favor and rebind the crouch and dodge buttons to the same key and hold it whenever you do a doge. This will make you slide every time. Huge increase in your ability to stay alive and close the distance to enemies with guns. I'd go so far as to say close to mandatory for high level Zealot play.

Next, go into your settings and turn on stationary dodge. This will make you dodge backwards if you hit spacebar while standing still. Spamming spacebar with this active will cause you to alternate dodging and jumping. Gives you excellent backwards mobility while still fighting since you can maintain some of your momentum from the dodge into the jump.

[gilded cove]

This is all from the perspective of a damnation mindset. Shotgun's suppression doesn't matter in damnation and why bother suppressing anything when setting it on fire is the same amount of CC and kills it in seconds?

The Mark V axe is fine but it's worse single target DPS than the Evis/TH by a LONG way and it's anti-horde is worse than the Heavy sword. Specialized melee that covers your ranged weakness and visa versa is the key to high level play since it gives you a tool for everything.

As for getting in a bad spot, that should be impossible with a combination of pushing, dodging and your stun grenade. Unless you're literally boxed into a corner by bulwarks, a zealot should be impossible for the AI to trap.

[gilded cove]

Oh, here's a little pro tip for you. Your zealot charge ability? It doesn't only apply to melee weapons. If you charge and use your flamethrower, the game doesn't count it as actually hitting anything but you keep the autocrit/increase damage for the whole spray. It absolutely evaporates entire rooms of the strongest elites(Including crushers).

[glass grove]

No I don't mean blocked phisically in a corner. I mean risking to kill that crusher with the special attack while a mauler is charging his overhead. You can't dodge while in animation and if your 75% toughness resistance isn't up, you can take quite a beating. That's what I meant with being aware about your surroundings.

[haughty veldt]

Oh! Didn't know that! Great tip! 😄

[gilded cove]

You can't dodge but you can move. You can pivot around anything you're rev killing to dodge stuff and since the Rev itself is CC on literally all non-monstrosity enemy types, it's usually pretty safe.

Keep in mind that enemies attack where you are, not where you're going so you can still 'dodge' just by by strafing. (Keep in mind this bit only applies if you aren't running away from enemies. For whatever reason, stuff has insane melee range when you're moving away from it.

And if you're using a TH, you can safely dodge whenever so it's a non-issue.

[glass grove]

I think for the heavy sword, you go for Deathsplitter as blessing since it gives you a free cleave through everything for nearly any hit since its first hit is a top down or high sweep. Thats why I love the Mark V axe. Sure, horde clear is crap, but you can heavy attack crushers all day long.

I'm not playing Damnation yet, but from what I heard, it isn't that much harder than heresy. There is a weird difficulty spike between malice and heresy, but thats it. (not considering high intensity) I just think if you want CC and good horde clear, the psyker is your way to go. You can oneshot a horde with 6 warp charges and the lvl 30 talent. The surge staff can stunlock everything except monsters .

I would rather go for shutting down gunners and concentrate on elites as preacher. But thats my view of the preacher, good thing is, nearly anything is viable in higher difficulties, it just makes things more stressful with some weapons. And that the thunder hammer has no cleave with his special is just terrible decision making. It is a great boss killing weapon, but the HA just takes too much time to be considered "good" compared to other weapons.

[gilded cove]

No offense friend but you don't have the experience to be making calls like this.

All I can tell you is that you'll drift toward my suggestions the longer you play on Damnation. Of course you can consciously choose to play with off-meta options but for a new player, we should be suggesting the best options in the optimal configuration which is what I've done.

As for the difficulty difference between Heresy and Damnation? There is some. More enemies, more elites, you take a bit more damage but yeah, it's not as bad as the jump between Malice and Heresy.

[glass grove]

But shouldn't a new player have more fun trying out different weapons first and learning the game instead of going the meta route? If they choose to nerf a certain playstyle some people who follow those guides might stop playing all together. For a long time, the surge staff was considered the best option for psyker, then people got used to the trauma or void stuff and now those are considered good too.
the same is working for the preacher. Fact is still, you need some sort of crit or bleed on your weapon, otherwise trash enemies just hit your toughness twice and you are on life bleed.

again, I understand your point and weapon choice, but people need to learn the game, since darktide, the same as vermintide, is not very beginner friendly in terms of mechanics. I've seen my fair share of preachers who just rush in enemies and die because they think its the same as zealot in VT2.

[fervent ridge]

Honestly go for it

just have fun

you can always refer back to Karma's advice later

once you have tasted it and found out

Then you can process it more efficiently

[exotic glacier]

I might recommend watching some duo damnation videos as well. See how they play the classes and how you might want to do something similar.

[tepid skiff]

"kill everything, don't get hit, git gud in general".

oh, and "have teammates who do likewise".

any time i see damnation gameplay, the biggest difference between it and my experience is how much they rely on teammates, everything gets done, flanks are held, nobody goes down, steady as she goes.

it's not quite the same in pubs.

like i just got from a heresy game, and on the end screen it was revealed that teammates were lvl 7, 13, 20-something. which explained their performance.

[dapper robin]

💀

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-gif-22672301

[tepid skiff]

yeah, that's how it goes.

[exotic glacier]

Teamwork makes the dream work.
Also it gives everyone passive buffs, and thicc regen of toughness, and helps prevent death by bad doggy

[ashen pollen]

The best build for heresy is to get gud son

The best build for Darktide is what is most fun. I do think you need to specialize for heresy and damnation though if you want to win those matches.

[lofty crystal]

ok i almost complete this penitence but i have no idea what mission type i'm missing

missing one mission type on heresy

[dire prism]

Is it the first character you are doing heresy-level on? If so then the little green ^ pips under mission icons in the selection screen are the highest level you have done

Malice will have 3 ^ in a column, heresy has 4 and wing decorations on the sides

[jaunty sierra]

HELP - Anyone know which melee weapons can 1 shot mobs in Damanation?

[gilded cove]

That's... a complicated question.

What class are you?

Melee or Ranged?

With or without blessings/class perks?

[dapper robin]

Ay I'm starting to get kinda pissed

4 missions in a row so far

and no Dreg type enemies in them

Am I missing soemthing or have they ceased to exist today

[tepid skiff]

just bad luck.

[dapper robin]

Story of my life it seems

6 matches in a row now.

I'm thinking it can't be just rng

[rigid wasp]

Is this a godroll?

[neat jacinth]

[amber rock]

Okay so I got a question (may ruffle some feathers) - Why are people trying to get the power sword nerfed into the ground when this game has no competitive element to it? If people like the power sword, let them use the power sword. Why do weapons NEED to be arbitrarily balanced? What competitiveness are they balancing for? The difficulty of the mission? You WANT to spend 6-10 slashes to take down a single special rager? Because I don't, I want to cut through swathes of enemies like butter and a powered-up power sword lets me achieve that. THAT is fun to me. But for others it seems they hate it and I don't understand why they're trying to (in my opinion) ruin a great weapon simply because it's effective. If this was a competitive game with PvP or something, I would get it. But it's not. Its just a level-based horde survival game.

((wasn't sure where to actually put this topic, so I can put it somewhere more appropriate if directed))

[mossy ridge]

Some people likes to force their views on others, some are against it because it breaks the gameplay balance for their play, or they get jelous of veteran being effective at ranged already while veteran unfairly dominate in melee with ps meanwhile ogryn is weaker and so on. Some even are against people having too much fun because they are bitter and resentful.

The question is, what can you do about it?

[amber rock]

I just dont want it to be changed and if it gets changed from people speaking up about not liking it, the only way i see to combat that is to speak up about liking it.

[dire prism]

you can look at it the other way - other melee weapons that should be comparable are just busted like thunder hammer for zealots, its also a power weapon but no cleave, power-up only lasts for 1 hit and doesn't even do a cool AOE explosion

[mighty fox]

each weapon has its own things it does well, and shines at.

finding what you want to do then getting the right tool for that job

[dire prism]

Still waiting for a power shovel

[fervent helm]

For one reason or another, Tide games has attracted a community that wants the game to be challenging and skillful. You dont see as much complaining about balance in games like L4D2 or DRG. Personally I am with you, weapons that don't reach the power of others should be buffed, nothing nerfed. The fact 90% of random groups cant do damnation is evidence enough that it wouldn't ruin the experience.

[dapper robin]

I am very angy

how can darktide players be dumber than literal rocks.

I ping the medipack, I put a ping marker on the ground next to the medipack I say there is a medipack here in this corner

"where's the medipack?"

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-gif-22672301

[azure fable]

anybody know what "close range" actually is?

[grave radish]

How rare are ~380 base items? I've been 30 for over a week and I've only got one 379 and a few ~360. none really good. My shop is FULL of <330

[tepid skiff]

people were saying about 2% chance, approximately.

[grave radish]

that's better than having no idea. thanks.

[dire prism]

Do the +wound curios cap at +1 wound or are there +2? I have seen +3 stamina but only twice so far

[fervent ridge]

Only 1 wound max per curio

[dire prism]

Ah ok ty

[rigid wasp]

Would rather post this here rather than make a post on the forums because I don't think it's that serious. No other channel for this so I'll just post it here like I said.

Game has crashed like at least 15 times today. Assuming it's the Worker Threads. I have 8 cores in my CPU, but anything above 1 worker thread consistently crashes me. I wouldn't mind this, but it seems that using only 1 tanks my performance even more than the unoptimization of the game for the 30 series. Anyone else having similar issue still even after patch?

[lament wolf]

Usually 8ish meters

[quiet furnace]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10f40uz/all_enemy_attacks_damage_values_healthtoughness/?

[hollow sluice]

is there a way to check which specific quests you have left to finish off for classes or difficulties penances

[fervent ridge]

Yea press ESC while ingame anywhere on the Mourningstar, go to penances and click the dropdown for each class so you can check

[hollow sluice]

It only tells me a number when a open the drop down tho

am i missing something for checking specific remaining mission types?

[tepid skiff]

no, there's no list in the interface currently. should've taken notes.

usually missing ones are investigation, espionage, repair.

[hybrid lance]

+3 stam curios are bugged?

[fervent ridge]

Yes Jaem, all +3 stam curio still only give +1 stam atm

My 3 +3 stam set is in the patch waiting room

[rigid wasp]

Why are the servers breaking

I just got booted from a game with server error

[dull turtle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zndpyg/new_update_now_shows_which_missions_youve/

[hollow sluice]

oh sweet, thanks dude

[unique cloud]

on Ranged Weapon's Blessings... whey they say X effect on Second and Third shot in Salvo, do they mean the magazine of the ranged gun?

[jovial turret]

4 what is this insignia?

[little coyote]

50 games with veteran

[jovial turret]

thx

its true, no reward 4 first time extraction on damnation?

[little coyote]

no, but you get a frame from completing one of each mission type on damnation

[wheat frigate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10f40uz/all_enemy_attacks_damage_values_healthtoughness/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[tepid skiff]

salvo is a special term that means 'shots before accuracy had the chance to fully reset'.

so any rapid fire that causes recoil and spread to accumulate, whether fully- or semi-auto, can have salvos consisting of multiple shots.

[atomic lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1064732463458431057/image.png Tried it... its not that good on damnation :/ but its ok.

[fervent ridge]

sexy base rating and very nice blessings but this kantrael model is mid yea

You can keep it to rip blessings at a later point and put them on an xii

Then that xii would be a god weapon

[heavy shuttle]

Missing a four block perk via flak armor or likewise but other than that, yes it would be good for a XII. On Ia with same ammo draw as Xii for fraction of damage, the model itself is flawed.

[fervent ridge]

I wished I could love the Ia

but the existence of the xii makes that impossible

[heavy shuttle]

I wish I could love any other weapon but the xii. Thanks fs

[fervent ridge]

you're gonna love what I named my first vet character after 170 hours on zealot then

[heavy shuttle]

bolter can come close but with other classes who focus on the very exact thing the bolter covers, it leaves the trash ranged swarm gap wide open due to instability of ammo find in 4+

[silent compass]

is there any actual difference between rank 3 +1 stamina and rank 4 +1 stamina on weapons?

[vapid plinth]

anyone know if you can do penances in private lobbies? i don't want to grief teamates with the couple i'm trying to do lol

[vapid plinth]

if anyone sees this at any point and knows please @ me and let me know, thanks in advance :)

[civic spade]

I haven't verified it myself but private lobbies should function as normal lobbies and you do get progress towards pennances/weeklies

[vapid plinth]

oh awesome, that's good to know thanks a lot for replying man!

[civic spade]

Yep, it's not like a modded lobby or something so confliction should be non existent, if there is a confliction ide make a bug report about it

[feral meteor]

quick question who was the aoe damage dealer out of the 4 classes?

[little coyote]

zealot flamer probably

[feral meteor]

thx mate

[feral gust]

Isn't 'Brutal Momentum' useless with 'StrikeDown'.
It's not like they're laying on top of each other.

[hot briar]

Why does the thunder hammer charge up stop cleaves from happening, when other charged melee weapons have better cleave after charging

charge an eviscerator and it slices straight through multiple enemies, charge the hammer and it recoils off a limp poxwalker like you hit a stone block

[sweet salmon]

It absolutely launches said pox walker though 0=

Like straight up sends them into orbit

[pure marsh]

So many of the weapons in this game need a rework or buff especially weapons like the thunder hammer like i love the dmg but its hard af to get said dmg when you bonk off a poxwalker outside of camera veiw ir hoe cerntain blessings can make entire weapons viable or not like woth brutal momentum

[fervent ridge]

Ye

[strong echo]

Are plasma guns worth using at higher difficulties?

This is in sire melk's shop for 2040

[heavy shuttle]

I would say no. Unfortunately thats just the way DT plays. BUT, if you like it and want to rock it, then get proficient with it so when it hopefully gets a buff you'll be ready to rock at higher levels

[opaque plaza]

what is a "salvo?" for the purposes of the talent that increases the damage of the first shot in a salvo

[heavy shuttle]

From my understanding, its the first shot from the weapon per mouse click. For automatic weapons its meh but for semi automatic weapons such as the xii its one of the best in slot blessings.

[opaque plaza]

cool, i got it on an XII

thanks

[tepid skiff]

not quite that simple. salvo ends when accuracy fully resets. so if you fire slow, then yes, every shot will be a separate salvo. but on a fast spam it won't be.

[opaque plaza]

thanks

[fallow elm]

def yes, take all reload speed feats + level 30 anti ogryn/monstrosities feat

you basicaly can os every ogryn in t5 with a charged shot

but consider even if plasma can deal with shooters, you will not be as efficient as with mgxii for example

• you do shit against mutants and dogs

[placid wharf]

Anyone else not joining Strike Team on mission starts and can't communicate in text with team? x_x

[tepid skiff]

even with plasma gun there's no real alternative to counterfire. big dudes will die anyway, but this way you can keep 1bodyshotting any shooters though cover, several in a row, etc.

don't forget that vet ult is a defensive tool just as much as it is offensive, so keeping it up as long as possible is vital.

also, i don't agree vs dogs. plasma gun doesn't kill them instantly, yes, but neither do other weapons. however, plasma gun dismounts them with a light shot. again, through walls and cover. it can save a run easily.

(and a charged plasma headshot does kill a dog on heresy. or a single chainsword rev, or whatever else you have)

[sharp zephyr]

i disagree, depend of your team it can be better to add some os shit

when you have for example 2 zealots, you dont care of taking extra anti shooter, you are here to clean ragers and ogryns + specials

[tepid skiff]

if it works for you, sure. but shooters are always a threat. ragers and specials are unaffected by t30 feat. and ogryns are rare enough to spare a second shot on them.

and the first shot will stagger them down anyway, i.e. render harmless.

[sharp zephyr]

in t5 ogryns are far than rare

[tepid skiff]

yes, but so are shooters.

[sharp zephyr]

shooters dont block any hits with shield in a mixed, shooters are not immune to stagger and os your shield+ half your hp with a shotgun behind a pox

i mean i agree shooter are the main annoying stuff

[tepid skiff]

so? not sure how that relates to the choice of t30 feat. killing elites and specials is always a priority, and plasma gun does that anyway.

[sharp zephyr]

it does it better, especialy in mixed

the punchthrough is key

[tepid skiff]

the question is does 50% damage increase on like a couple of dozen targets per mission worth losing the ability to keep up the ult in regular firefights.

and my answer to that question is absolutely not.

[sharp zephyr]

ability to cancel every ogryn and elite with or without cover let the team breath and focus shooter

[tepid skiff]

for the third time, non-ogryn elites are unaffected by that feat.

[sharp zephyr]

i never said that

[tepid skiff]

you keep bringing that up as if it's relevant.

[sharp zephyr]

you can os ogryn on top of os human elites if you prefer

idk man, most of my whipes are from mixed with ton of ogryns

not because of shooters

[tepid skiff]

it's a question of preference that is thankfully revolved by a single click.

[sharp zephyr]

but plasma def worth in t5 anyway

i prefer plasma than boltgun in my team too

[tepid skiff]

ideally a second vet would have something rapidfire-ish, like k12, m1 iag, agri braced.

[sharp zephyr]

y

[tepid skiff]

because when there's like 50 shooters all over the place, it'll take a while for me to kill all of them.

[sharp zephyr]

mgxii + plasma

best combo

sad shooters take so much place

because it makes psy or ogryn less relevant

imo

[tepid skiff]

you mean in general?

it's a game for vets currently.

like there's a clear protagonist that does everything, and sidekicks who carry medkits and shit for him

[onyx girder]

aye, vet does too much
it does feel everyone else supports them rather than everyone working as a team

og either keeps them safe with shield or blasts away hordes
zealot tosses nades around
psyker...well...psyker is just a spotter with extra steps

[fervent ridge]

Damnation Zealot gameplay- babysit vet = win 🙆‍♂️ 💯 🔥

[onyx girder]

rip

[fervent ridge]

Having a single coordinated teammate (ideally a vet) simplifies the harder difficulties immensely, my only 'complaint' is that it gets boring after a while

I was in the kitchen during this segment

[fallow elm]

LMAO

[fervent ridge]

The bf asked for sandwiches

I taped down lmb and left

[heavy shuttle]

I believe that is completely the other way around. Zealots rely heavily upon the veteran for ranged counter while zealots ST eliminate. It's symbiotic really, when I have a zealot who horde/ST focuses while I as the veteran ranged/specials focuses....

And unless the plasma has received some major love without my notice... (it hasnt) it still remains one of the worst picks out there. Bolter is by far the more sustainable ST (monsters ogryns) removal but seeing as entire classes are literally designed for ST removal, I cant see any reason why a vet would wish to cripple their team by no ranged spam removal. The xii is absolute in this with a case being made for various other lasgun models except the recon.

If you're out to 'break the meta' and play what you want, cool. But if we are talking seriously 4+ then plasma isnt anywhere on the map. Take it up with FS. I dont like it either.

[dapper robin]

Anybody here feel like helping me try to optimize my game to get the best performance for quality? '-'

[warm nebula]

I would, except I don’t feel qualified. My advice would be: if you can’t run volumetric fog at maximum, just turn it off entirely

It looks like butts at any setting, even maximum

[dapper robin]

Well my problem is I'm cpu bottlenecked I believe?

[warm nebula]

Specs?

[dapper robin]

i7-8700k

3060ti

[warm nebula]

That’s a decent CPU for it’s time… a bit long in the tooth for sure, but

[dapper robin]

Long in the tooth...?

[warm nebula]

RAM? 16GB?

[warm nebula]

“old”

[dapper robin]

16gb ram running at 3000mhz

[warm nebula]

Good

[dapper robin]

I mean the performance is pretty decent I feel but.

I LOVE darktide it's the only game I can think of that I've tried so hard to squeeze as much as I can out of it.

'-'

[dapper robin]

I plan on upgrading my cpu eventually because yeah I've had this i7-8700k for like 6ish years

[warm nebula]

I’m gonna have to refresh my memory about the 8700k. I assume you have fiddled around with the “Worker Threads” setting?

[dapper robin]

I have some

I was originally using the max 10 it would let me.

[warm nebula]

Gotcha

I’m gonna make a dumb suggestion, feel free to ignore it: the pop-up descriptions for each of the settings in Darktide say whether they have CPU or GPU impact

I’d guess stuff like physics and ragdolling is more CPU heavy, and textures and lighting is gonna be more GPU heavy

You might consider the level of detail distance. I forget what it’s called in Darktide, but it’s the setting that controls how far away from you the “high poly count” models should be the ones loaded.

I’d suspect it has both a CPU and a GPU impact

[dapper robin]

one sec

[tiny orbit]

Options->Video->Advanced Graphics->Mesh Quality

you can also edit the 'lod_object_multiplier' value in the user settings (Appdata\Roaming\Fatshark\Darktide\User_setting.config)

[warm nebula]

Okay, the pop up doesn’t mention CPU. So my suspicion is probably wrong

[dapper robin]

So yeah side note there are only 2 cpu tagged options in the games settings

[dapper robin]

Are you telling me to turn this down or up?

Because my problem is that my GPU is Never being utilized more than my cpu, at the very least it'll be almost even.

But more often then not the cpu is being used more than the gpu.

[warm nebula]

Looks pretty CPU bottlenecked, like you already suspect

[dapper robin]

Yeah and I plan on upgrading eventually

[warm nebula]

Are there any background programs that you could close?

[dapper robin]

Was told to either get a 5800x3d or wait till February for the new AMD x3ds

Not really I got like 2 windows open in the background one is youtube

[warm nebula]

Nah, don’t get the bleeding edge stuff, you could end up bleeding money trying to fix it

[tiny orbit]

@dapper robin fwiw Im also am a i7-8700k, w/3080 and performance is a mixed bag

[warm nebula]

You already got some decent ram, get a platform that can recycle it

[dapper robin]

Is my ram actually decent?

[warm nebula]

16GB is okay. Not great, but not terrible

[dapper robin]

It's G.Skill Ripjaws V says 2800 on the advertisement but when I clicked on XMP in bios it automatically went from 2133 to 3000

[warm nebula]

That’s good, you’re actually using the XMP unlike one of us…

[dapper robin]

Well like I said I love darktide

and I'm trying to do everything I can to get the best performance.

I'd kill for a consistent 80fps

Maybe if I try turning down my CPU worker threads in the settings it'll utilize more gpu than my cpu?

[warm nebula]

Did you try an odd number of worker threads, as well as an even number? Hyperthreading is a mystery…

[dapper robin]

I'm on 5 threads right now

I read that reducing the number of threads means more gpu work and less cpu work.

So I went from 10 to 5

[dapper robin]

Do I actually have hyperthreading on my cpu tho?

[warm nebula]

8700k… Wikipedia says yes…

But if you tried 10 and 5, with no improvement, then it’s not the cause of your trouble

I hate to say it, but Darktide isn’t exactly the most well-optimized game out there. Until FatShark has some free time to dig thru the code and smooth it out, you’re going to struggle.

[onyx girder]

oh shit I can do what I did in vt2?
thought that wouldn't be possible due to EAC

[dapper robin]

well 10 cores might not have been good

because that means MORE cpu usage

from what I've read

so maybe 4?

[warm nebula]

I suppose it couldn’t hurt to try

[dapper robin]

Idk maybe having it on an even number will do better like you said.

And I need my GPU to carry my CPU more, because we can both agree it's more powerful than my cpu shrug

[dapper robin]

Did you want me to turn this setting up or down?

[warm nebula]

I think they were just answering my question “what’s the setting named?” I would turn it down to ease the load and get more fps. But at some point it will make the game look… bad (dang I don’t have the DoW1 screenshot saved)

#darktide-memes message

[thorn reef]

Im really struggling on 4+ missions as Sharpshooter. I tend to get surrounded by horde and either die by not being able to dodge/push/block or because of some special/elite that I can’t address because I’m knee deep in hordes (looking at you pox hound). I’ve notice I tend to run off in my own direction when shit hits the fan, so I’m going to work more on staying on coherency, ideally next to an Ogryn or someone with high stagger. I usually rock a Power Sword or a Combat Blade. How can I improve? I know as a Sharpshooter my primary focus is specials/elites, but how I do I keep from getting mobbed to death in 4+ runs? Any advice would be appreciated.

[fervent ridge]

Play around your flamer zealot / purgatus staff if you have one on the team- or ideally they should play around you

Those are the area denial / space creating dudes who will make room for you to do your work of taking out the specials

[subtle kraken]

Can some people help me out with penances please?

[heavy shuttle]

What @fervent ridge said is ideal. Yes, having mindful teammates to support you as you're targeting mid-long range incoming threats is huge and when you find those teammates make them your premade group friends. You'll have a much better time of it.

Now, for the less ideal situation. You don't have a kick ass zealot, (friendly ogryn tends to block too much space when he's close range to me) and you still have priority targets that need to die quickly. Prior positioning is key to each engagement. Allow yourself to shift to the rear of the group and rarely run ahead. If there are no teammates infront of you when you're pushing through the map, thats.... not ideal and you had best be mindful of how quickly the director can smack you. While you are in the rear of the group you have a much easier time assessing threats, marking targets, and eliminating shooters as they maneuver to contact with your allies. Just being mindful of keeping your team between you and the ambient threats while calling out spawned threats to your front line by type and direction can mitigate 75% of 'surrounding' issues.

What's also important to note is that when your team is (hopefully) engaging as the front line, you have your kantrael xii out and are looking for long range-incoming threats. Very often, the window to eliminate threats that can dust up an unsuspecting zealot/ogryn/psyker will be in your favor, but still if you're having troubles communicating and marking these targets-> slave your tag button to your primary fire button. Yes, it will mark targets for you as you fire upon them making the target box constraints easier to hit in. It will -also- (and this is important) alert your teammates what exactly is coming their way seemingly automatically. The mark is followed by an audio voice line stating what it is and is almost if not more effective than voice callouts which as the veteran I highly recommend you use your mic to do. Callouts help. Target, direction, distance is a good start. Whom that target is.. well... targeting... is a great addon too but brevity is important here. Long callouts reduce reaction time.

In closing, while your power sword can definitely help with horde clear (and you should if absolutely necessary, gotta hold the line sometimes) the horde threat is nothing compared to the specials/elites that you can be spotting while your zealot/ogryn almost singlehandedly wipes that horde out. They are build for such engagements, you on the other hand are looking for what's next coming down the pipe. If its horde, announce it. If its bad news (mutants, ragers, trappers etc etc) kill it. Kill it quickly. Your horde focused zealots/ogryns are depending on you.

[thorn reef]

Thanks for the thorough response! I'll put that to work.

[heavy shuttle]

P.S. Camo expert can help with agro mitigation, but on 4+ you rarely will be standing still but almost always maneuvering and repositioning using the tactics I've mentioned. the 75% reduction to ranged damage -and melee dmg- (yes, they forgot that bit in the text) when volley fire is up can save your life.

[heavy shuttle]

This is what has helped me, a technique but not a standard. Tool in the toolbelt so to say.

[gentle monolith]

Hi guys, I just wanted to jump in here and ask if anyone could clear up the requirements for *Flawless Execution * I understand you can't go down, but what counts towards progress? I'm thinking that joining a game that has already started doesn't work, but does going down in that game reset the streak? Also if you quit a game that already started does that restart the streak?

hahaha I'm guessing I'll just need to keep fighting the good fight with this.

[heavy shuttle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyB7W29h6Zo

[gentle monolith]

oh dope

thanks for the hook up

So I'm guessing that there haven't been any changes since he dropped this guide?

[heavy shuttle]

Of that, I have no idea. I haven't heard of any ground breaking changes to the penances from the devs. Obviously, nothing since before Christmas

Its a bitch of a penance. To be sure

[gentle monolith]

Welp, regardless thanks for the help on this, I've gotten way to angry over it so maybe I'll just hold off and see if the devs makes updates to the penances when they get that next update out

[heavy shuttle]

For sure, no problem. I listed that penance as one that would take me by surprise at the end of a match. Definitely not something I will ever actively work toward just one that will happen 'eventually'.

[gentle monolith]

Honestly probably the best mindset to have with it haha

[tepid skiff]

in a way, but not quite. for it to get done you need to avoid heresy+, high intensity, play on zealot, don't take stupid risks (like standing near barrels), etc.

it's not a set of conditions that can just happen for 15 games in a row.

it takes a deliberate effort.

way more games, actually, because the ones you hotjoin without ready screen don't count towards progression.

[strong onyx]

What's the best way to get help for a private lobby? I'm having trouble hitting the Gone Bowling and Heavyweight Champ penances, due to the mission rotation barely showing the best maps for it on the right difficulties, and the fact that most of my friends quit playing before they got to the right level to help me (making them less likely to come back on just for that.)

Guessing until there's a mission select on individual player private lobbies it's just a crap-shoot as to whether things line up anyway (mission + modifiers + having someone online at the right time.)

[fossil sparrow]

mind if someone can play with me I'm TRYING to lvl up my psyker

[tepid skiff]

the only way to set up a private lobby currently is party up with all least one dude and just play, you'll have the option on the map screen.

that said, gone bowling is relatively trivial. requires an 'unstoppable' t30 feat, if course, but it can be done no problem during a regular play.

heavy chump, however, is a doozy. the hardest penance in the game.

[digital quiver]

Has anyone figured out how to kill the Monstrosity in less than 5 seconds? Im having the hardest time getting that one. There are other Penances that I need to get but I know that most of those will come with just playing the game.

[grand flint]

what difficulty is it on

one flamer can kill a beast in like 10 seconds, if you have 4 flamers it will die almost instantly on heresy

[heavy shuttle]

4 veterans with bolters works. Needs to be a penance focused group as thats a meme composition.

[digital quiver]

I only have 2 others I play with so if we all have max level veterans with transcendent bolters it will do the trick. Sounds good.

[fervent ridge]

If you need a th zealot I can come lol I have a th with thrust

as your 4th

The council of zealot pimps me out to do other classes' penances

[rigid wasp]

hey guys, im looking for a rush group for the archievment "Just a flesh wound" with my preacher.. i've been trying it for about 30 times and 2 or 3 times it was nearly finished with 21 minutes.... can any1 help me out with it?

[fervent ridge]

Hi Chris, you up right now? I found that the best map to do it for is Hab dreyko investigation, I can add you and we can try whenever you're available

[rigid wasp]

very nice! i'm available and i've also a flamer :>

[fervent ridge]

Sick imma add you, we can try it with just the 2 of us if we can't find more teammates

[rigid wasp]

k 1sec

[heavy shuttle]

the council of zealots sounds just as bad as the government of guardsmen.

[ocean cobalt]

U mean, surely better than the Parliament of Ogryns

[tepid skiff]

did backend just die for anyone else?

[rigid wasp]

i hate this preacher penance.... it looks soo good till the end and then it's only finished in 21 minutes or 22... it sucks so hard XD

[heady citrus]

Gotta go fast-

[onyx girder]

Parliament member,
we da best

[tiny orbit]

there's always the 🚪 🧀

[rigid wasp]

any1 up for a quick "flesh wound" preacher penance- magistraty with low horde?

[static comet]

Heavy Stubber with good rolls can basically liquidize most monstrosities in a single magazine

I've had games where I basically soloed a Beast of Nurgle because my team got swarmed into a side room and the damn thing cornered me 😅

[ivory nymph]

@gentle monolith The lessons I've learned so far going for this penance as of 20/01/2023:

1. Dogs/mutants grabbing you don't count as a 'fail' (when this happens, your health bar doesn't become fully red).
2. Psyker blowing up (100% peril), falling off a ledge (not hanging, going fully down/insta-death) and actually going to 0 health DO count as a 'down' aka resetting the full penance.
3. If you do 5 games on char 1 successfully, and do 2 more on another character, this will count as 7 total for the penance (it's cross character).
4. If you go down on any character, it resets the penance on ALL your characters.
5. Alt+f4 method when you go down has proven not to work for me, at least when I blew up once accidentally as a psyker. This was before the animation had completed, aka I wasn't down yet before I pressed alt+f4.
6. A game that is already in progress does NOT count, you have to be in the game from landing until finish. If you DO join an ongoing match, just leave it. As long as you aren't 'downed' while spawning in, it doesn't reset the strike. Selecting a specific mission it seldomly spawns you inside an on-going one (don't choose 'random malice'.)

I don't know if falling of a ledge (hanging there) actually fails it, since it never happened to me trying for this.

I found doing this on either veteran with the trait 'camo expert' or psyker with a deflector trait blaze force sword + voidstrike staff to be the easiest to pug randoms successfully with

[rigid wasp]

Does alt f4ing out of a mission count against the don't go down on malice penance?

[sand saffron]

hey i'm a lvl 5 sharpshooter just doin a few quick plays, is there anything else i should focus on?

[warm nebula]

Try different stuff. Don’t forget about your grenades

[tepid skiff]

a good writeup, all points coincide with my observations. except I'd recommend going zealot, since he has a built-in failure protection.

[tepid skiff]

if you didn't go down before quitting it should be fine.

[azure fable]

does the Weak Spot Damage bonus apply to the total value listed in the Weak Spot Damage attack breakdown, or does it only apply to the "extra" damage weak spot has over regular hit damage?

[uneven bough]

If the base damage is 100, +10% weakspot damage is +10 damage even if the listed weakspot value is, say, 250

[grand flint]

is there no way to inspect curios in game to see the roll ranges on blessings and perks like you can on weapons?

whats the highest you can get for wounds on a curio?

[candid gyro]

wounds is always +1

[rigid wasp]

when leveling up, is a higher rarity weapon always better than whatever u might be holding?

[azure fable]

no, the individual stat bars are most important, in combination with what blessings/perks it has

in other words you may find a "low rarity" weapon with a dump stat you don't care about, let's say mobility on a rifle you snipe with is low, but it has otherwise solid stats and a kickass blessing

"rarity" and the overall rating of a weapon is just the sum of all the individual point totals, it may not actually have better utility

[rigid wasp]

ohh I see

is the damage modifier multiplied by the heavy and light attack ratings?

[azure fable]

if you want to know more about a specific weapon, hit "V" and Inspect it either in the shop or your inventory. Hover your mouse over a bar to see the min/max and what specifically a bar affects (how many enemies does "cleave" actually let me hit? or etc.), and hit Tab to see a breakdown of specific attack damage

[rigid wasp]

oh holy shit thank u

[azure fable]

no problem

[silver folio]

In general, how's the Power Sword compared to the Chainsword?

[dusty needle]

hey all, just got out of a game where 2 players were saying the n word over and over in vop, luckly i crashed and no longer had to hear them but when i look to find there names in past played with list to report them, not only can i not find there names in the sea of steam name with none of there in games but also that there is no way to report people

[fallow nebula]

I've also been unable to find people I just played with right after a game ended

[candid gyro]

Generally speaking psword's superior in the ways that matter, especially if you got the recharge on chain hits. Not saying chains useless, but if you got savage sweep on it, it can do a respectable job of horde clear. Chsword's advantages are that it's got better dodging, and it doesn't require you to prep it with special first so its quicker out the gate if you need to swap to it.

[full palm]

Anyone feels like helping me complete two secondary objectives on TM8-707? Been a pain doing this today with the global condition

[long arch]

This website is useful for answering questions like this: https://darkmass.gg/statsbreakdown/glossary

[flint stone]

Is crafting fully put into the game yet, also is the cosmetic store done yet or is it still fomo, and then does gear transfer between character yet?

[grand flint]

crafting is still missing rerolling blessings and something called earn blessing, I'm assuming it's a way to do some mini objective to get a free blessing roll to upgrade a weapon like kill 1000 dregs in melee or something, cosmetic store seems mostly finished, the main page changes but you can scroll over to the pages from previous weeks and the outfits are still there, they just add new pages, no way to transfer anything between characters, big sadge, hopefully we can transfer currencies at least at some point

[flint stone]

Thank you, waiting to come back to the game when it no longer feels like a messy pointless grind.

[grand flint]

I'm in the same boat right now, gear progression is still way too rng based, grinding diamantine is aids

its a shame because the core gameplay is incredible imo, minus a few balance issues and all of the perks that just flat out dont function

[tepid skiff]

grinding what now? diamantine is trash, heaps of thousands, never gets used. plasteel is the bottleneck.

[grand flint]

????

I have like 3k plasteel

no diamantene ever

[hollow geyser]

Higher difficulties gives a much higher ratio of diamantine compared to plasteel. If you spam out low level missions you end up with too much plasteel, if you play heresy+ consistently you end up with too much diamantine.

[grand flint]

i play heresy mainly and never have enough diamantine

[fiery vigil]

not sure if this is a trick question but

[grand flint]

thousands of plasteel

[fiery vigil]

power sword is basically an instant death radius for light targets

with DPS similar to axes for heavy targets

chainsword doesn't even come close in damage output

[grand flint]

also chainsword locks you into animations that will get you merced on heresy and damnation

[fiery vigil]

@grand flint

from playing only damnation

[grand flint]

i play like 50% heresy 50% malic, my numbers are almost opposite

i have a bunch of gray weapons with like 380 base stats and curios i want to consecrate but i cant bc i never have diamantine

seems like a balance thing that needs to be addressed, should be a smooth transition between the two ends

or add some other way to get resources

or trade one for the other

[tepid skiff]

it's quite absurd. first time i ever hear of it.

as long as anyone's playing malice+, diamantine stocks up and never gets used.

especially for consecrating grey weapons, which cost exactly 0 of it.

[grand flint]

found out yesterday if you reroll a perk enough it eventually gets to the point where its free to reroll, really hope that's intended and not a bug

[serene latch]

delete that before they fix one good thing

[grand flint]

its only perks, my bad

i cant be the first to figure that out, everyone should have noticed the cost lowers every time you reroll the perk

i was trying to get flak damage so i kept going bc the diamantine cost was getting so low, eventually it went to one then 0, the plasteel cost kept going down by one and eventually was at 1 for like 10 rerolls then went to zero and it let me reroll for free, seemingly endlessly

[tepid skiff]

yes, that's how it works right now. and yes, it's unlimited rerolls.

but it might be indeed a temporary measure. i'm afraid they'll have to remake crafting system entirely.

and some of it will likely change in the next couple of weeks.

[dapper robin]

Question

when it comes to the game settings

I see people always have the Nvidia Low Latency setting set to Enabled, why not Enabled + Boost?

[turbid dock]

Boost takes GPU performance away

[dapper robin]

Wait fr?

Seriously?

So Enabled doesn't decrease performance but Enabled + Boost does?

[turbid dock]

Reflex tries to eliminate the render queue for GPU bound situations

[grand flint]

Has anyone been able to complete preternatural dodge (3)? I've been stuck at 19/20 since release week?

[dapper robin]

I'm at 19/20 too weird, I thought maybe I just got unlucky because I've not specifically gone for it

[dapper robin]

But yeah? How does the boost lower performance tho?

[turbid dock]

Boost taxes your GPU more to push out frames quicker, but most testing found that it doesn't really change anything either way

[grand flint]

I'm not an expert at dodging but I know for a fact I've dodged at least one attack in the past month

[dapper robin]

It's 20 in a row

not 20 overrall? lol

20 dodges without taking damage is 20 in a row that includes melee, gunfire, and specials

[dapper robin]

So is it better to leave it on disabled? Or enabled?

My rig is a 3060ti i7-8700k with plans to upgrade my cpu soon

[grand flint]

oh ok I see now

[turbid dock]

Enabled

[dapper robin]

Alright any other settings I should be concerned about also?

Anything with DLSS?

or just in general

[grand flint]

if you're having issues with framerate turning DLSS off will most likely fix it, it did for me 100%, could be anecdotal but I've seen others saying the same

seen a lot of people saying the game has trouble with Ryzen cpus

the visual difference between having it on and off is barely even visible to begin with

[dapper robin]

I have intel and nvidia stuff

But weird thng is with DLSS off the game looks shittier and performs worse

It's overly sharp in non-dlss mode

even with sharpen off

[turbid dock]

Fsr 1.0 has decent results

But do not use 2.0 at all

[dapper robin]

Is FSR 1.0 better than just the basic dlss?

I mean I'm using DLSS off right now no dlss of any kind

Everything low/off

besides Textures on medium

[little coyote]

I had a lot better results with 2.0 than 1.0 when I had my 1060

[dapper robin]

and I dip to mid 50s in any fight

Like it's insane surely my 3060ti should be able to handle

all low/off settings with no dlss

and atleast stay above 60?

Am I stupid and wrong or?

[warm nebula]

No, the game is not exactly lightweight and optimized

[little coyote]

again, I feel your cpu is bottlenecking your system

it doesn't do multicore processing well enough

[warm nebula]

There’s a setting for environmental rubbish, and another setting for sub-surface scattering. I assume you have turned them all the way off, but if you haven’t, the first one is surprisingly cpu heavy, and the second one affects skin so it could be dragging your horde frame rate down

[dapper robin]

my problem is tho

game runs like shit

but I never see my cpu or gpu ever hit 100% utilization

I fucking LOVE this game it's my main game, but like bruh

[warm nebula]

I think you may have found that game that justifies a hardware upgrade for you

[dapper robin]

I'm upgrading cpu eventually like I said but..

it's not capping out my stuff

Even with DLSS off so the game was rendering at full 1920x1080

I never hit 100% utilization on anything

[little coyote]

not capping out doesn't mean it's not performing as well as it could, the problem is exactly that that is doesn't utilize all it's cores effectively

and Darktide isn't the most optimized game out there

it is really rough on the cpu

[dapper robin]

Like I said again

I'm upgrading my cpu eventually

probably sometime next month when the new 7000 series x3d amd chips come out

[warm nebula]

That’s gonna be a significant upgrade. I’m pre-happy for you

[dapper robin]

Well I'm not going to get one yet

I need to see their price when they come out

[little coyote]

you'll probably need to upgrade your mobo as well 💸

[dapper robin]

So which is better out of these 3? Because it's obv that I need to be running dlss.

obv need a new motherboard no matter what

[little coyote]

nvidia dlss is the best of the three when your gpu allows using it

[dapper robin]

Wym when my gpu allows using it?

[little coyote]

not all gpu's support it

yours does

[dapper robin]

So it's the best one for me? Or the best one overrall

[little coyote]

overall

and for you

[dapper robin]

ok

I don't mind using DLSS it's just wild that with DLSS off the game looks shittier

like rendering it in 720 then upscaling it actually gives a more pleasant visual experience

than no upscaling and just raw 1920x1080

raw no dlss LOOKS like ass

[grand flint]

I have a base 3060, DLSS on, super res 1 and 2 off, medium settings, 1920x1080, and I get solid 60fps in any kind of fight with 0 frame drops, so the problem isn't your gpu

[dapper robin]

^ Well the above mentioned testing I was doing was DLSS off

[grand flint]

I'm just saying, I have a slightly worse gpu and higher settings and no frame drops, so the problem isnt your gpu

its possible its overheating under load that can cause tearing and frame drops

what does your afterburner say

or whatever you use

nzxt

[dapper robin]

which dlss setting do you reccommend I use? Auto? Quality? Performance? Balanced?

[little coyote]

I go with quality with 3070

or balanced

[grand flint]

mine is on auto

[dapper robin]

what do you suggest with my 3060ti?

[little coyote]

balanced or performance I suppose, test around a bit and find the good average between

[dapper robin]

leave nvidia reflex on enabled?

[little coyote]

I've not noticed any difference it on or off

[dapper robin]

Side note is 21% max health the highest curio blessing roll you can get?

or is there any 22%

[tepid skiff]

nope, 21%. and 17% tougness. both are very rare rolls.

[grand flint]

is there any reason to stack toughness now since the change to melee damage calculations

seems like the amount you have doesnt matter if it's all % based anyway

[dapper robin]

game angers me I really hope a new cpu fixes some performance problem :l

All I was doing was staring at a fucking console no fighting nothing

Could've maybe been related too my worker thread count, was running pretty low gpu settings here but set my worker theads on darktide to 2 out of the possible 10

[warm nebula]

CPUs 3 and 6: 💦

[grand flint]

download moar ram

[tepid skiff]

it's a subject of many popular holywars. the idea is that all toughness recovery is in percents of the total pool. so if you have, say, 120 toughness vs 100 toughness, that also means that every single source is giving you 20% more toughness. while enemy attacks are removing it in fixed values, so you're being noticeably better off on sustain.

but is it worth it to stack instead of health, and for which class? is it worth taking a wound curio, or maybe even several? you'll encounter all sorts of opinions. there's no right answer here. pick your own variant.

[heavy shuttle]

max toughness for vet, health for everything else.

[grand flint]

that's kind of what I was thinking

[heavy shuttle]

And don't bother with toughness regen. Its not toughness regen its the reduction of time between damage taken and toughness regen kicking in. Its already at 3 seconds, 60% regen kicks it down to 1.3 something. Not worth the 15% max toughness you could have had instead

[grand flint]

oh shit i didnt know that, that changes a lot

[heavy shuttle]

I made mistakes lol

[harsh dock]

Guys, I'm a bit confuse. What exactly trigger Demonhost? Suppose I shoot my gun to another enemy nearby, would the demonhost trigger by its proximity to me or to the target that I shot? Also does brainbrain burst trigger it as well?

[grand flint]

have you ever played l4d2

[heavy shuttle]

Flashlights from vet can trigger DH from my testing. Proximity, activities can all activate DH.

[grand flint]

in my experience they work almost exactly like witches

dont shine a light on them or get anywhere near them, dont even shoot enemies near them

[harsh dock]

Ok so, if i brainburst a sniper sitting next to a demonhost, it'll definitely trigger?

[grand flint]

how close is the sniper

brain burst im not sure, but I know projectiles flying past a DH to hit something behind it can trigger it

[heavy shuttle]

I read somewhere that psyker abilities alert the DH faster. Cant find that reference though 🤔

[harsh dock]

Like ermm.. around 3 meters i think

[grand flint]

not sure how brainburst is coded

3m I wouldnt chance it

[heavy shuttle]

thats a vets shot all day.

[harsh dock]

I failed a run because i was afraid to brainburst a sniper next to thehost

[grand flint]

ive triggered DHs by shooting stuff near them even though I didn't hit it

even a bullet flying past it to hit something way behind it triggered it

what difficulty were you on?

[harsh dock]

Damnation

[grand flint]

anything below malice you can just kill it

oh ok

yeah you might as well just quit mission if you trigger it on damnation lol

[harsh dock]

So in conclusion, it seems basically everything trigger it? Like witch in left 4 dead

[grand flint]

in my experience yes

[heavy shuttle]

Hold your farts out of game too.

[grand flint]

its worse than witches because you cant even run past it really fast

[harsh dock]

Does crouching helps avoid it at all?

[grand flint]

they always spawn somewhere where theres a route around it though

just dont go near it, they only spawn in places where theres another route to avoid it completely

can be hard on the lights out levels though, especially when they glitch and spawn halfway in the floor

ive never tried crouching near one but i cant imagine that would help

[ocean cobalt]

Nah I usually shoot around the daemonhost and it doesn't activate it unless I hit it

[tepid skiff]

i think it has to do with suppression, maybe.

single shots might not bother it that much, but a heavy caliber or a barrage will.

[heavy shuttle]

First 380 grey drop in the store for me and its a damn autopistol....

[grand flint]

oof

i keep getting every lasgun except for a XII

and every combat axe other thank mkV

[tepid skiff]

and with 60 damage roll to boot, i bet.

[static comet]

While this is technically true, I had a match on Tier 2 (with light out modifier) where 3 Daemonhosts spawned and the second one was close enough to the first where the ambient mumbling of the first entirely prevented the sound of the second. I only noticed it because I turned a corner and heard the Daemonhost awaken noise, before it promptly tore my limbs off

If I was on my lvl 30 Ogryn, I might've been able to do something, but a level 15 Zealot with an autogun and poorly rolled 2h chainsword is basically dog food 💀

[hollow flare]

where can you possibly get 15% max toughness instead of toughness regen speed?
max toughness and toughness regen are seperate perks on the curio

you can have both

[heavy shuttle]

3 modifiable perk lines spread across 3 curios=15% max toughness>60% toughness regen. Yes you can have both but +x max hp or +corruption resistance is better in slot

Reroll chosen perk line to 4 dots always. Never settle for =<3 dots.

[long arch]

I've found the Daemonhost to can often be bypassed safely though. There will be a side hallway or something instead of having to tip-toe past her.
I have a feeling the always-on 5m flashlight might trigger it too, so I just keep my distance.

[hollow flare]

this is what you want your curio to look like as vet

the resistance can obviously be whatever resistance you want to be and whichever your end up withz having on it

and the max for blessing is 17%

and for sakes argument the resistance can be +max hp instead aswell obviously

[tepid skiff]

at least, after toughness regen will be patched to do anything at all.

because currently it doesn't.

[heavy shuttle]

Disagree. Stacking hp over toughness regen is far superior. +12-15% HP>1.3 toughness regen -delay-. At least on 4-5 difficulty. Not sure what you're playing on.

That might work on 3's or below but at 4-5s the health chip becomes a huge factor and toughness regen delay cant overcome that 12-15% extra hp.

[hollow flare]

i almost exclusively play damnation

[heavy shuttle]

Best of luck then 👍🏻

[hollow flare]

and like i said you can run 5% hp / 5% max toughness / 20% regen speed

[rigid wasp]

everyone has that curio

[heavy shuttle]

corruption resist>toughness regen.

[tepid skiff]

literally anything > that that currently, because it's bugged and doesn't work at all.

and even if it did.

[heavy shuttle]

corruption resistance (grims)>tough regen 😂🤣😂

[tepid skiff]

if they'll change it as some point to work on the initial chunk, it'll be better than many curio perks.

[heavy shuttle]

If it worked as it read, that being toughness regenerates x% faster, that would be huge. As it stands with it currently reducing the toughness regen -delay- from 3.0 seconds to (with max rolls on all three curios) 1.3ish, max hp/max toughness and dmg/corrupt resist is the way to go.

[uneven bough]

It's also multiplicative

[serene latch]

Axe > corruption resist

[heavy shuttle]

Hey, Ive seen some vets rock with the axe. Granted, I couldnt get the feel of it right compared to PS

[grand flint]

i use PS on my vet but I don't like the stamina efficiency

also doesnt it have the worst dodge of any melee weapon

imagine PS on zealot

https://tenor.com/view/jizz-in-my-pants-gif-8177902

[heavy shuttle]

Id give them the PS if we got the flamer

[grand flint]

then no reason to play zealot tbh

unless you're one of those nerds that likes tryhard bleed crit builes

builds

or a boomer that just wants to larp with a thunder hammer haha

[heavy shuttle]

I think zealots are awesome synergy with the vet. What you smokin

[grand flint]

i think 2 vets is better than a vet and a zealot lol

especially if one of them can have flamer

[heavy shuttle]

Hrm... disagree. A good zealot running interference for a xii veteran carries teams.

I seek those kind of zealot mains out and impress them into my friends list

[grand flint]

i main zealot, idk if im that zealot though

i just charge and axe things

also 2 vets with XIIs is still better lol

4 vets with XII that play csgo

ez clap on damnation

[heavy shuttle]

Thats what most zealots do. A zealot that watches over his vet frees that xii up to eliminate substantial amounts of incoming threats.

I'd take a bro-zealot over another xii anyday.

ogryn 'can' do the same thing roughly but his hitbox is way to obnoxious to make it worth while longterm

[grand flint]

i stay near the team i just dont consciously think about tanking for the vet

i dont run off alone

[heavy shuttle]

Give it a shot, you might just find it works

With a decent vet though, none of this shotgun vet crap

[grand flint]

i also dont play on damnation yet, i only ever have dogwater curios in my shop so I don't feel comfortable playing it

[heavy shuttle]

You can run that strategy from 1s up.

[serene latch]

PS = power sword?

i don't understand why people love attacking 50 times to kill 10 mobs

i prefer 1 hit = 1 kill

only reason why i think PS is good cause of the deflector, so you can defend from ranged mobs

[little coyote]

PS doesn't have deflector does it? You might be thinking Force Sword

[serene latch]

oh, yeah that's the one i was thinking

[hollow flare]

does anyone know how salvo blessings work exactly?
i know a single salvo is from pressing shoot until your recoil has completly reset again but lets say im using the 3 bullet burst headhunter and have opening salvo on it, do i get the bonus damage on the very first bullet of the burst or does the whole burst count as the "first shot in a salvo" ?

[warm nebula]

I'm pretty sure they mean only the first bullet of the burst

There's another blessing for "second and third shot in a salvo"

[hollow flare]

so i can get opening salvo + sustained fire on the headhunter and get the effect of all of them on a single burst (ie single mouseclick)

[warm nebula]

I don't know if you can get both blessings on the same gun... yet

[hollow flare]

you can

just curious how it would work is all

becasue the blessings say "shot" and knowing fatshark that doesnt necessarily have to equate to "bullet"

[tepid skiff]

salvo is all the shots before accuracy fully resets.

doesn't matter full or semi auto.

so in a 3-round burst only the first shot will benefit from the opening blessing, naturally.

[heavy shuttle]

Does crouching reset accuracy faster? not sure where I heard that it does.

[hollow flare]

it reduces your weapon spread dont know about reset time

[hollow flare]

yeah but is the first shot the first bullet of that 3 round burst or does the whole burst count as the "first shot" since its a single mouseclick?

[tepid skiff]

i believe i've just answered that. burst consists of 3 shots, only one of them is the first.

[hollow flare]

the question was if the game treats a single bullet as a single shot .. and your answer is not definitive on that

[wise bane]

How good is this weapon? I still don’t have a good clue about weapon stats

[fast meteor]

You know what would be really helpful? an improved Meatgrinder where you can practice swarms and bosses

[hollow flare]

it'd be great if they would show blessing effects as buff symbols at the bottom of your screen like they do with coherency, the zealot ability and a select few talents

[ocean cobalt]

Yes, it's the single bullet and not the mouse click

The salvo is the total of bullets used before the recoil reset

[ocean cobalt]

If it was the mouse click they would have had to implement a different method for applying it to any weapon that's not semi-auto

[hollow flare]

i mean from a logical standpoint thats what im assuming too
but i have to ask because ... fatshark ya know ^^

[ocean cobalt]

I know, anyhow yeah, opening salvo it's the first 3 bullets if i remember correctly, so if you have the 3-burst headhunter you basically have 1 burst before having to reset recoil

If you have the 2 burst it's 1 and a half, if you have the semi auto it's semi auto so yeah, kind of a given

[hollow flare]

opening salvo is "first shot of your salvo deals x% bonus power"

[ocean cobalt]

Oh wait

Then it's the first one only

[hollow flare]

sustained fire is "bonus x%power on 2nd and 3rd shot in your salvo"

[ocean cobalt]

Yep, that was the one

So technically if you have both you can do a full burst of headhunter

With increased power

[hollow flare]

punishing salvo (which you can get on ehadhunter) is "bonus weakspot dmg on 2nd and 3rd shot in salvo"

so the idea is to get the 3-burst headhunter get both blessings on it and get the damage boost on the full burst

especially since the vraks mkIII recoil reset is really fast

[quasi tiger]

Except the Laspistol. The spread grows

[floral oyster]

2 questions - to earn a portrait for killing "n poxwalkers and other horrors", what are those other horrors and do I personally need to kill them, or the team kills also count (as they count for monstrocities for weeklies for example)?

[onyx schooner]

is there a way to see all of the previous costemic bundles, i seem to forget what i get from the very first ones

[fiery vigil]

have you actually tested the real world performance of any of the headhunters

just use an infantry autogun if you want effective burst fire

[tepid skiff]

no, light headhunter is quite alright. the best of the class, i'd say.

mk1 infantry is still better, of course.

[tepid skiff]

k12 is in a wholly different class.

and yes, it's an outlier in the entire weapon selection. might get balanced in the future.

[fiery vigil]

350 maniac DPS

and no, k12 is not in a wholly different class

it's on par with the mk1 IAG and mk8 BAG

[tepid skiff]

clearly we're having a terminology issue. by class i mean a weapon group. lasguns conveniently have those under a single name, like kantrael for infantry lasguns, akkatran for recon lasguns. autoguns have an incomprehensible mess instead, but still, we have a headhunter class, which has the worst gun in the game, as well as two decent ones. one of which, blue/light one, is actually not bad at all.

for k12 to be on par with autoguns it needs to cost like 4 or 5 ammo units per shot, i think. or something like that. as in, it kills fast and is nice to use, but it has way too much ammo for what it does. at least, compared to autoguns.

[grand flint]

HELP

[fiery vigil]

your definition of decent is completely fucked if you consider 350 maniac dps to be decent

[fiery vigil]

alt f4 and rejoin

[tepid skiff]

not all weapons are supposed to work vs all targets.

[grand flint]

no collision down there, I was able to walk out of the map and die as they went to extract

[fiery vigil]

not working vs all targets is an insane understatement for 350 maniac dps

[tepid skiff]

that said, gotta test how bad is it in the grinder. because maniak-wise i'm interested not in dps, but in how many bursts i need to place to drop a trapper.

[fiery vigil]

and basically the same unyielding dps

bro why are you calling it decent when you haven't even tested how horrible it is vs specials

sit down

[tepid skiff]

and anyway, we'll see many balance passes in the coming years, i don't see the point in getting too attached to particulars at the moment.

[fiery vigil]

well why are you getting attached to particulars then

sit down

[tepid skiff]

i shoot elites with it on heresy, they die instantly. that's good enough for me.

[fiery vigil]

there is a knowledge mismatch here

I can't really discuss this with you

[heavy shuttle]

This may work in general chat. Not here in gameplay. I might disagree with @tepid skiff about most things veteran but still need to treat each other with dignity and respect.

[fiery vigil]

insisting on continuing to assert a point even after self-admitting complete ignorance on the topic isn't treating each other with dignity and respect

so why you're replying to me instead of him is beyond me

[tepid skiff]

yep, about how i remember, 3 bursts vs damnation trapper. could be better, but could be worse too.

as far as ttk is concerned, about the same as mk1 iag.

[fiery vigil]

that's factually completely wrong

[tepid skiff]

unless you get a really good placement with it, which is not guaranteed.

because blue hh is more accurate.

[fiery vigil]

no it's not

you're just completely lying at this point

stop it

[tepid skiff]

your opinion is noted, if not particularly appreciated.

still, there's no argument that overall mk1 iag is a far more capable weapon.

[fiery vigil]

once again

you are just completely lying

https://streamable.com/rhx88m

[tepid skiff]

ah, yeah, shot it a bit more and now i see why iag feels so much better. it's pretty pinpoint with hipfire, while mk3 hh hipfire spreads all over the place.

[fiery vigil]

no it's literally because the mk1 has more than 3x higher DPS to maniac

[tepid skiff]

i'm not talking maniak here, we've established that it's a weak spot for hh guns. i'm talking general performance vs shooters etc.

iag hipfire doesn't have muzzle climb at all, for some reason.

while ads does.

[fiery vigil]

even for that, the mk1 has better sights and onetaps all rifles in the head

there is not even close to a contest here

the headhunters are very far from decent

if you think they're decent, that's because you're ignoring the facts

[little coyote]

just use braced autoguns like real chads

end of discussion

[tepid skiff]

a wise solution.

at least until shooters get into cover at 30+ meters.

[fiery vigil]

just in case anyone's curious as to what the actual DPS of the mk1 is when not capped by the HP of trappers

[little coyote]

ult up and you'll cross map with the thing

[fiery vigil]

this is vs a mutant

without crits it's like 2.5k

[fresh cove]

Yeah I've approached 4k DPS with the mk1 infantry autogun

So much nicer than any of the braced autoguns

[trail berry]

Does anyone have issue with enemies sounding like they're at the same y-axis as you even though they're above or below?

[heavy shuttle]

Yes. Same issue here

[trail berry]

Is that everyone? I honestly don't hear it seriously talked about. Maybe it's a headset issue or something.

[heavy shuttle]

Couple guys of my premade lists always bring it up every match. Since audio cues are a large part of early threat detection it can be a friction point.

[deft meteor]

Stamina regen or block efficiency?

[trail berry]

I say block efficiency. Taking attacks in quick succession can leave you dead or nearly so. Base block efficiency isn't strong. If you get backed into a corner, it's a situation rife with taking a flurry of attacks at once. It's going to give you better odds in those make or break moments. Just be sure to engage in fights with full stamina and manage it well with dodging.

It probably isn't a big deal for classes like Ogryn though since he staggers pretty much everything with pushing. So stamina regen probably makes more sense for Ogryn.

And his bull rush is an easy way to break out of being cornered.

[round prism]

https://youtu.be/c-tStz1iUc0

[fallow elm]

[young comet]

Turn that revolver into a single loading artillery emplacement

[bold token]

Sliding does not dodge melee.

[feral gust]

(request for info) does BLOCKING DemonHosts negate ALL DAMAGE or does some 'leak through':
1: OgrynShield [full block/negate]
2: ForceSword [?]
3: NormalBlock [?]

[tepid skiff]

any block negates all his damage, however he also has an aura that corrupts everyone around up to a certain cap, around half of your health.

[little coyote]

https://gfycat.com/agilegravecopperhead

🤔

https://gfycat.com/gracefulopulentimago-darktide

[civic spade]

It also reduces damage to zealots by 100% iirc

[warm nebula]

The zealot’s modifier is “0”. Whether or not that means “reduces damage to zero”, I suspect has not been tested

[naive remnant]

On vet, what's the best chance i have of making this worth a damn?

[young comet]

No but the raw distance is still helpful

The idea would be doing it at the end of the dodge to still get all the benefits of the dodge, plus a bit more

Also how do people feel about the Kantreal MXII? Seems like a really good option for eliminating things at range

[young comet]

What's the melee weapon you're pairing with it?

[naive remnant]

Bleed knife

[young comet]

i don't think it will be awful. As long as you are comfy with the knife being your go to for heavier armor. Lacerate does do well even against a Bulwark since it will apply bleed right through it

I would may consider a higher mobility option but if you are looking for high speed nyoomin' this should be pretty fun to run with while still giving a bit more accuracy than a shredder auto pistol

I would also suggest going Zealot too if that's the playstyle you are craving. That same knife there makes a beeeeeaaautiful crit bleed build

[naive remnant]

I pretty much have to play my vet like zealot since inventory isn't shared. I normally run a shredder, revolver, braced or shotty. Use my focus fire to regain toughness

And my zealot has an entire collection of 375+ bolters 😦

[feral gust]

Beast of Nurgle: What does his Vomit do?

• No Health Damage?
• No Corruption?
  (did it slow me down?)
  When it swallows you, I'm not sure what that does either.

[echo oracle]

Ive got a nice powersword with +4 rending and max slaughterer with 20% maniace and 25% unyielding. Im running my own stamina regen and sprint efficiency deadshot bolter build. Not sure what to reroll on the perks

[candid gyro]

ticks corruption, more corruption the faster you move (ie: sliding/sprinting), and enables him to eat you when he grabs

[young comet]

Revolver isn't bad to give you a bit more armor piercing to round things out. Sorry that you aren't getting a Bolter tho since I def feel that's what you're gunnin' for

[feral gust]

"the faster I move" enables him to grab/eat me?

[young comet]

I just picked up a Kantreal MK XII Lasgun and those are pretty good even on my zealot letting me pop heads with a blank check for ammo capacity

[young comet]

More movement, more corruption

[candid gyro]

when you've been vomited

[young comet]

Yup, can only eat you while you are "seasoned"

[candid gyro]

if you dont have vomit on your screen all he can do is smack you

[feral gust]

So UNTIL I gain corruption, I can't be eaten?

[young comet]

Pretty much yeah

Granted it wears off if I recall so if you take some corruption you can just back peddle for a bit

Wish we could practice these in the pskanium since I could make a vidya guide on that much easier but there are things I'd want before that lol

[feral gust]

DT doesn't have timed-Parry does it.

• it's just block/push

[young comet]

Some weapons do but it's meh

Devil Claw Swords as far as I know

Biggest issue is it doesn't stagger things around you so parrying 1 thing doesn't solve X-1 things around you

Better to dodge and "parry" with your own attack

[feral gust]

oh the Mouse5 'improved' block.. can't figure out what it does.

• so it's a parry ..
• never used it - and impossible test in current psykarnium

[young comet]

Yup it's a parry. Nothing to write home about though. Would love to see it buffed to address it being purely a 1v1 move in a horde shooter

It does feel pretty cool using it

[grand flint]

do ragers also count as unarmored or is unarmored a specific enemy type

dreg ragers

[young comet]

I believe they count. I'll see if I can double check

[grand flint]

i know it says maniac in the test thing

now that i think about it what about mutants and doggos

like anything without flak or carapace

besides ogryns

[young comet]

Seems they multi-track both Unarmoured and Maniac according to u/EmotionalSwim387

They have a really good spreadsheet too
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ixL8okPo98-WzCVfok0HxHnK7d83YRhCTi7WQmtlrjU/edit#gid=0

[grand flint]

looks like its way more complex than i thought lol

didnt know it did different body parts

[young comet]

Lol yeah there is a complicated web of interactions in this game

[young comet]

OH yeah! Scab Ragers you want to attack not-head to avoid Carapace

[grand flint]

looks like you could get something like a heavy sword and get unarmored damage on it and cleave at peoples arms and get the bonus on most things

yeah i know that i meant dreg ragers

most smaller stuff has no armor on their arms it looks like

[young comet]

Yup. And that's something to think about on bonuses too. Unarmoured Bonuses will apply as long as your aim is true lol

[feral gust]

scabranger is all flak

https://i.imgur.com/BnUWUS2.jpg

[grand flint]

mauler has carapce head

[young comet]

My bad, Scab Mauler I meant

That's the biggest poster child in my head for aiming at certain parts, since hitting the head is counter intuitively the worst spot to aim

[feral gust]

you guys are making me want to go for another run.. see you in 25mins 🙂

[grand flint]

how do you slide while carrying something like I see people do, when I try I just crouch

[young comet]

Yeah my biggest motivator is honestly looking at all the goofy inner workings

[young comet]

I am actually working on making a short for that because I see a lot of people not do it! But the key is just to sprint + crouch. Even without stamina you'll perform a slide

Also try to really try to get the timing to limit the "sprint" portion as much as possible. The less sprinting you use to get the slide, the more you have available to do lil pooshes

I actually beat Ogryns to the medicae doing it too lol

[grand flint]

every time i try it i just crouch i dont slide

even with full stamina

[candid gyro]

default is space I know, and I think the default also prevents forward slide

2nd Im not 100 on cause I rebound all that immediately

[young comet]

Yeah it might be worth it to remap somethings to make it easier

I have crouch/slide bound to Left Alt and Dodge/Jump on Space

But it should just need Forward+Sprint+Crouch to pull off

[grand flint]

so sliding while carrying stuff doesnt work with default crouch bind?

[young comet]

🤷‍♂️

[grand flint]

oh you have to push them at the same time? not sprint a tiny bit first?

[young comet]

My only thought is it may also just align things easier so the timing isn't as brutal

[young comet]

Same time but you can let up on Sprint as soon as you slide

Letting up on sprint will save you an ounce of stamina but it'll do in a pinch